Man I'm doing Stage 2 on my streetglide special 114ci but can't decide between torque kit or power kit, I ride aggressive, can you tell me what was different that u felt from stock to now with the power kit ?
@@edwinparedesnjusa I think we're governed at 110mph. I play around in town more than anything so I chose the torque cam. It's in the shop right now waiting for the parts from Harley and won't ride till spring
Just got my 2019 FLTRXS back with the stage 2. did fullsac MX headers as well. LOVE the bike. Got the smart tune pro and after three days of riding, shit is dialed in man.
Had the stage II Torque cam installed on 107 Road Glide to enhance stage 1 with SE Ventilator, Basani 2 to 1 & VH Fuelpak. Stage II was significant gain & starts to pour on early at 2,200 RPM; also increased redline, no longer hit limiter like stock. Worth the $ & noticeable. V&H was able to send custom tune at no charge. My buddies on 103 Street Glide & Indian 111 (both stage I only) can’t keep up.
Actually, warranty is in place. The FuelPak was the choice of the HD Service Manager for its ability to flexible adapt to upgrades and ability to revert back to stock tune if needed; it is also not a permanent fixture on bike, I preferred a Zippers tuner but he recommended against as it is a full CPU replacement. HD service installed it & they’ve had good experience. You are correct that several HD dealers will tell you anything not HD or Screamin Eagle will void warranty so you need to find a reputable dealer to work with. It doesn’t matter if it’s a tuner or simple replacing full pipes. The reality is that is not how warranty’s work per Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Essentially claims are denied much like insurance actuarial scales meaning they choose to deny as most do not have the money & time to fight the claim. Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act defines that the manufacturer must have reasonable proof that whatever after market item they reference is proven to be the cause of the failure. That’s why it’s important to have a dealer relationship as there is a tremendous amount of subjectivity & some dealers will fight you. It’s difficult for the dealer to argue you performed faulty work when they installed it & their parts counter sold it. I’ve purchased several new Harleys all with tuners & full pipes & have never had an issue.
@@THEelduderino guarantee if you call the Harley Davidson customer service number, give them your vin, and tell them you did a tune other than their tuner or stage 1 download, they will void your powertrain warranty. They may revert back to stock when they plug into your bike for recalls to avoid this essentially hiding it from the MOCO, nice of the dealer to do that, but if the factory found out, warranty would be gone.
Don't tread on me, agreed. That’s why you have the dealer service, they do the work, and they contact HD. There is a trigger in how warranty claims are denied that I won’t get in to on this thread & I have had warranty work on other bikes in the past with no issue. You have to have some common sense, in your analogy Ford would do the same thing if you called the factory saying your F150 was tuned & now you have a problem. In full disclosure I help write warranty contracts & reporting requirements so I understand the burden of proof & recourse options. HD would pick apart the more obvious items like Bassani or V&H pipes prior to the tuner anyway. Several other dealers openly say even non HD slip ones void the warranty. I’ve heard this for years & I go out of my way to not purchase & service at those dealers given at least they are transparent with the proactive refusal. All for not however, the bike is running strong and after 2 bikes with FP & 1 with Zippers they work great, cause no problems & I ride my bikes hard. My warranty ended last month. A good side point however in given all the warranty concerns w/ HD, never buy the extended warranty. Too many things to fight & actuary model shows if you just saved the extra $ to self ensure it works in your favor.
Why does everyone worry about the Warranty it’s only good for two years anyway. Do your upgrades after the warranty expires unless you got the extension.
I have a 2021 Street Glide, initially did the mufflers (Cobra Neighbor Haters) and air cleaner (Screamin Eagle Ventilator) with a tune, there was some noticeable power improvements; however, when i changed out my stock header for the Cobra True Duals header and had it retuned the bike really came alive and i love the improvement, so smooth and throttle response is awesome. Now i have a friend that did a stage 2 (SE 447 Cams, SE Tappets/Lifters & SE Adjustable Pushrods) and decided he wanted to go with a stage 4 kit and gave me the cams, tappets/lifters & adjustable pushrods, going to have them installed soon, never planned on doing a stage 2 but hard to say no to free, just need to pay for labour. not sure what to expect but i guess we will find out soon
I have a 2017 ultra limited. Got with a few goodies. Looks like factory headers but with khrome werks slip ons and a screaming eagle intake. Not sure if it was tuned. Can you update on your cams? Looking to get headers and a some cams myself but want to know if they actually worth it
@@simplybuilt_1708 Ive added the SE 447 cam, SE Cam Plate & oil pump, SE Tappets, SE adjustable Pushrods and S&S tappet cuffs and who, i thought it came live when i added the full Cobra exhaust but after the cam and everything else its a huge improvement in sounds and power
@@tyroneshoelace4872 the cam helps give it a deeper bark harley sound, but so do they header pipes n slip ons doing a stage 1 but doing the stage 2 you get a bit lots better sound and more of a difference in performance , i went with the higher cam those bikes have enough torQue to suit me from a stop and I just want to jump on the 4 lane at times and make time pull away from traffic or pass with authority on the freeway speeds thats where the 462 shines with horsepower, if you want to race your friends or accelerate faster stop light to stop light or faster getting on a freeway ramp then torque is better to begin with, but if you want long legs to out run most on freeway n pull away go with horsepower cam, they both going to do better for you just depends on where u want to be happier twsiting the throttle at for faster response going at slow speeds to mid riange go torque, faster throttle response on the over 50 mph zone go with horsepower, torque gets you out the gate faster n horsepower then keep on going faster than the torque can keep up with once doing freeway speeds, your friends with torque can leave you at a light or bottom of the ramp, but once your horsepower band kicks in you catch them then run off n leave them at highway speeds or they are pushing higher rpms at highway speed than u to keep up.
@Spencer B did that include the air breather ? My dealership wants 2 grand for the cam kit , tuner , air breather , tax and labor . It's 2 years later maybe the reason for being higher than yours.
"and when dealer installed, your engine and your motorcycle warranty remains intact." Oddly enough, my HD dealer in France clearly said that the warranty would be gone in case of a stage (no matter which stage).
I did a Stage II upgrade on my 18 Ultra with the torque cams. All I can say is I ❤️ it. Instant passing power and off the line get up and go. A must do.
Andrew Trapani yeah had it done and I’m extremely happy. Did headers too with tab performance slip ons with zombie baffles. Bike runs and sounds amazing
If you own a M8 like my 2018 Fatbob, 2017 and 2019 CVOs don't waste money on Harley stage kits. The engine will blow up due to oil pump design flaws and/or plastic tappet guides. Yeah and $50k motorcycle with plastic tappet guides. Neither the dealer who installs it or H corp office will disclose this. S&S, Fueling or Zipper all make higher quality performance kits.
I would like solid push rods with the stage 3 upgrade. why use adjustable push rods? The heads are coming off, H-D knows the value of going solid push rods, and they know how long to make them
My 2018 FLTRX rocker arm bolts backed out damaging the push rods at 9K. I decided to add the torque cam with the SE tuner during the repair. I honestly can't tell the difference.
If they can guarantee that the parts are so good they won't affect warranty why doesn't HD put them out like this from the factory? Does anyone ever ride them stock? Or is Harley just trying to make more money on an already expensive bike?
Please update you charts with the lowrider s numbers and what a power cam will do vs to cam. These charts so Less hp/tq than stage one lowrider S numbers
I had 10 thousand dollars spent on a sporty build their dyno did not change from factory can map after 3 dynos the last one being 6 hours. I've learned my lesson no support from Harley or Harley racing. I'd been better off leaving it stock ruined my bikes motor in less than 50kilometers all pitted pistons and heads. Thanx alot Harley I now will go by a&s Andrews or redline as they support their product with a decent starting point
I purchased back in June of 2022 a brand new Street Glide Special 114. 8 months later, I am considering a 131 Stage IV kit instead of a 135 Crate Engine replacement. Is a 131 now cheaper since the 135 is being produced? The wait for my area in Pennsylvania for a 135 is likely up to December or later when it is officially released for here compared to scheduling a 131 kit upgrade next week. I am just trying to weigh my options. Looking for any comments, thoughts, or suggestions for this upgrade. Stage I, II,III, IV, or wait for the 135 crate engine?
What about wheel slip after torque cam install? Is this ever an issue? I’ve unintentionally spun My stock 107 M8 when I didn’t mean to because there is already so much torque? Mostly when merging on freeway on-ramps
Harley-Davidson should have Softails that come from factory with the Stage 1 or Stage 2 (with torque cam) I would buy one an others would two. How much Harley shake is on Stage 1 an Stage 2? I feel the 1200 Sportsters have the right shake. The dummy fuel tank cap or decorative fuel cap why have dual fuel inlet ports on Softails to give that Old School look of split tank.
Harley does have softails that come with stage 1. My anniversary Breakout came with the ventilator on it. No point in exhaust mods cause that's a preference and would cost more just to be changed out. And when you have the option of torque or horsepower in a cam, again it's a preference. Mine got the torque cam. Not much shaking or rattling on the M8s. Which is good, if I wanted to shake I'd drive a Freightshaker/Freightliner. The 114 doesn't need a cam really. Did just fine without it.
Okay I’m looking for a upgrade. My 09 Electra glide ultra classic has Rhinharts slip on and K&n air filter. Can do a stage two Milwaukee 8 462 cam and use a Street tuner ?
So my question is - if this upgrade improves performance why would it not be stock. other than the obvious answer of "its a money maker", does it make sense to put a part in the bike that is conservative or NOT high performance?
Yes, especially when you still have the plastic oem. And maybe is warrantee as well. I have done both and the result is great, gives you a big smile. Installed the S&S 55 mm performance manifold on a 2020 FLHRXS.
For anyone? I'm on this thread because I'm considering a torque cam for my 2021 Fat Boy. I did a stage I (Basanni 2 into 2 exhaust) and the sound is anemic. I don't care at all about more performance. Don't need it, don't want it. But I do care about the sound. How much will the torque cam change the sound? Also, is there a difference in the sound between different torque cam manufacturers? Thanks guys.
go with vance n hine pro pipes n bigger airflow breather tuned n dyno this is a stage 1 and will give u the sound u want, basanni isnt the best , sell it go vance n hines or thunderheader 2 into 1 for sound
It's all subjective. Personally myself I went with Tab zombies. If you're not concerned with your warranty why would you stick with Harley? The sound is not gonna change that much unless you get a header without the cat, or you remove it from your stock pipe
I have a 2021 fat boy 114 and I've put the stage 2 screaming eagle package on it and at 120mph it stops and won't go any faster and I'm no where close to top speed so wtf
Secret Question: Who would you want to meet if you could meet anyone? SCOTT F’ing MILLER. But c’mon man… my windscreen is a 2 wrench, this is at least a 7.
Hi Ronald - We'd recommend looking at the Screamin' Eagle Stage kits online and reaching out to your dealer since they will be better able to give you an idea of what to expect based on your needs >> bit.ly/3QMdMDQ
@@harleydavidson Couple yrs back I purchased the V&H 2-2 Big Radius w/stage one. The female at parts setting me up and RINGING me up for parts needed for the clearly stated Stage 1. Bam, $300 and some Fuel Pak sold to me. Mechanic who did work (HD shop) claimed Pak not needed. I was confused but once I heard that bike with the new V&H, Wow, that's what it is supposed to sound like!!!! and forgot about the extra $300 and some I was mislead. Fuel Pak never been used/touched. If I choose to go to another stage, will it then come into play ??
Hey, Screamin' Eagle components can be installed to 2021 models. To see which parts and components are compatible with your specific bike, click on the link in the description above.
Just got a quote today from my local east Texas dealership. My 107 Stage 2 is $429 plus 7 hours labor charge at $125 an hour. As well as the stage 2 badge. With a discount the total out the door is $1149.00 installed and full warranty intact.
Difficult to answer as there is a ton of variation in "stage 1" cost 1st. Stage II two only, is about $400 for kit & then labor, so $1,100 to $1,200 is good estimate for stage II only. However, you need air in, air out & tuner to open up performance with significant pricing diff. If you went cheap, lower perf, slip ons only, SE tuner (not a very adjustable tuner) & filter only change parts are roughly $900-$1,000 depending on brands. Other extreme, better perf, full ECM Zipper type ECU replacement, full headers & mufflers with high flow air cleaner replacement you could easily get over $2K for parts only. For my 107", I went stage 1 with SE Ventilator, Basani road rage 2 to 1 full exhaust & VH FP3 tuner. Parts were around $1,500, I installed myself & VH FP3 tuner allowed for dynamic remaps once HD later put in cams for stage II, & new map from VH. All upgrades, with stage II torque cam, running 111ft# & 93 HP, great power through the rev range, no downshifting required, starts losing power at 5,200 RPM.
It's basically just the cost of the cam and pushrods. About $500+install.. You'll get bored with it in about the same amount of time you got bored with your stage1. I went with a HD stage1. Now I'm going with a full blown SS 475 cam kit stage 2.
TH MK8 HDMC is going to give crank numbers. I’ve done the stage IV kit with the torque cam and had mine dyno’d. I asked to pull back a bit on the tune as I wanted more reliable for the long haul. I’ve heard of numbers past 125 at the rear wheel but can say mine is 115hp & 115tq at the rear wheel. With a conservative 10% powertrain loss that’s 50% better than stock. After logging a few thousand miles my only fear is one day I’m going to whiskey throttle it and I’ll be in serious trouble. Hindsight from what I’ve read and seen the stage II is the best bang for the buck and 3&4 are a lot more $ for smaller gains. Not a professional just a rider and my two cents.
i'm sorry but you pay a lot of money for a harley if it doesn't have performance than the customer has many other options all cheaper too with better reliability. Harley needs to stop with these stage upgrades one shouldn't have to upgrade their bike it should be good to go from the factory.
Harley stock been in a steep nose dive last 7 years. People are fed up pouring money into these engines which are designed to fail. People not paying 20 to 30 thousand dollars for new bikes... I predict this company will be bankrupt inside of 5 years from now..... We have access to company balance sheets, showing the company way over extended on existing loans and credit to the tune of almost 500 million dollars. This motor company not have that kind of cash to pay back..........Is only a matter of time now, before banks start calling these notes back over-due for payment............
Just wanted to ask a couple of questions....I have a 2022 SgS with a Arlen Ness 90 degree air filter tab performance slip one....if I want to do a stage 2 screaming eagle upgrade with cam and tuner, do I need to do a full exhaust.....I'm not looking for stupid speed and Dyno numbers...I am looking for a nice Butt Dyno...to wake the bike up a bit....just trying to save a little money.
@@robertyoung5678 I would assume it is due to reliability issues and all the sumping issues I keep hearing about. I have the money to do a stage 3 or even 4 for my 114 Fat Bob but after reading all the issues that can arise im gonna stick to just doing the stage 1 and 2.
@@0321ReconMan Thank you for the feed back 👍👍 I did a stage 1 an 2 on my 2019 heritage an really love it !!! I really thought about the stage 3 but was also worried about problems on down the road !
robert young Right on, did you get the SE pro street tuner and the SE smart tune pro? I think by having the smart tune pro installed and constantly working to adjust to your riding style would eliminate a lot of the reliability issues guys are having with stage 3 an 4. I am gonna have the smart tune pro installed when I do the upgrade
@@0321ReconMan I just got the SE pro street tuner with the SE torque cam !! The dealer said i really did not need the SE smart tune pro unless i was going to do more up grades ?? I am in the spring going to upgrade my clutch to a SE clutch kit ! The dealer said it would be a good idea since I upgraded to a bigger cam an might ride my aggressively !! Hey love the the new fat boy it's also an awesome bike !!!
So, apparently HD purposely build their engines with the wrong components inside, forcing their customers to spend more money in order to make it right. It costs the same to build an engine with the correct camshaft as it does to do it with one that has degraded performance. No wonder HD is having trouble with its image and its reputation.
Harley-Davidson I noticed you upload videos and never get back to people, so I UN-subscribed. Not you will miss one anyway, with 158K-plus subscribers.
Agreed. Should come with stage 2 power levels minimum from the factory. What a racket, between there clothing line and "stage" kits they become more of a accessory company than a motorcyclist brand.
They all love to look at the Harley you tube channels because they know they have fucked up buy not buying one. That's why they troll because they dream off owning a Harley.
Still less power than a stock gold wing hmmm so then you can buy a gold wing and I'll keep my harley there ya go problem solved lol all jest aside they make different motorcycles because as the old saying goes different strokes for different folks if we all wanted the same thing this world would be pretty damn boring
Well I guess the Harley would keep up if it had as much plastic on it. Lol. Totally different rides man. The new wings are like a sport bike that wants to be a touring bike. The HD HAS THE STANCE THE SOUND AND THE ATTITUDE. I heard you need to wear an ascot to ride the Honda’s 😝
Brutal. Take the 5 or 6 grand its gonna take to get your bike to be fast. And come off with 3500k and get ANOTHER bike.. And watch your "friends" as you blow by. Stop wasting time and $$ . we all get bugs in our teeth. Keep the rubber side down . stay safe ride defensively
I did the Stage 2 horsepower cam on my 2018 Fatboy 114.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE OUTCOME!
Thank you HDMC.
If I may ask did you do stage 1 at the same time? If so what was the cost from your dealer
Man I'm doing Stage 2 on my streetglide special 114ci but can't decide between torque kit or power kit, I ride aggressive, can you tell me what was different that u felt from stock to now with the power kit ?
@@edwinparedesnjusa I think we're governed at 110mph. I play around in town more than anything so I chose the torque cam. It's in the shop right now waiting for the parts from Harley and won't ride till spring
edwin paredes go torque. You’ll be happy.
@@fathead657I found the “governed” limit yesterday; 118.
I’ve done Stage 2 Torque Cam on 2020 Road Glide Limited and Stage 2 Power Cam on 2020 Heritage both bikes are performing very well. I like them both.
I did a Stage II upgrade with torque cams to my 18 Ultra. Love the passing at speed and off the line giddy up
Joseph Marton last street bike I rode was a KZ1000. I could run down any car or bike with it but now I just cruise. Time to put the race bikes away
Did the cam change the volume or the tone, or just the type of sound?
Just got my 2019 FLTRXS back with the stage 2. did fullsac MX headers as well. LOVE the bike. Got the smart tune pro and after three days of riding, shit is dialed in man.
Had the stage II Torque cam installed on 107 Road Glide to enhance stage 1 with SE Ventilator, Basani 2 to 1 & VH Fuelpak. Stage II was significant gain & starts to pour on early at 2,200 RPM; also increased redline, no longer hit limiter like stock. Worth the $ & noticeable. V&H was able to send custom tune at no charge.
My buddies on 103 Street Glide & Indian 111 (both stage I only) can’t keep up.
Fuelpak killed your powertrain warranty.
Actually, warranty is in place. The FuelPak was the choice of the HD Service Manager for its ability to flexible adapt to upgrades and ability to revert back to stock tune if needed; it is also not a permanent fixture on bike, I preferred a Zippers tuner but he recommended against as it is a full CPU replacement. HD service installed it & they’ve had good experience.
You are correct that several HD dealers will tell you anything not HD or Screamin Eagle will void warranty so you need to find a reputable dealer to work with. It doesn’t matter if it’s a tuner or simple replacing full pipes. The reality is that is not how warranty’s work per Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Essentially claims are denied much like insurance actuarial scales meaning they choose to deny as most do not have the money & time to fight the claim. Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act defines that the manufacturer must have reasonable proof that whatever after market item they reference is proven to be the cause of the failure. That’s why it’s important to have a dealer relationship as there is a tremendous amount of subjectivity & some dealers will fight you. It’s difficult for the dealer to argue you performed faulty work when they installed it & their parts counter sold it.
I’ve purchased several new Harleys all with tuners & full pipes & have never had an issue.
@@THEelduderino guarantee if you call the Harley Davidson customer service number, give them your vin, and tell them you did a tune other than their tuner or stage 1 download, they will void your powertrain warranty. They may revert back to stock when they plug into your bike for recalls to avoid this essentially hiding it from the MOCO, nice of the dealer to do that, but if the factory found out, warranty would be gone.
Don't tread on me, agreed. That’s why you have the dealer service, they do the work, and they contact HD. There is a trigger in how warranty claims are denied that I won’t get in to on this thread & I have had warranty work on other bikes in the past with no issue. You have to have some common sense, in your analogy Ford would do the same thing if you called the factory saying your F150 was tuned & now you have a problem. In full disclosure I help write warranty contracts & reporting requirements so I understand the burden of proof & recourse options. HD would pick apart the more obvious items like Bassani or V&H pipes prior to the tuner anyway. Several other dealers openly say even non HD slip ones void the warranty. I’ve heard this for years & I go out of my way to not purchase & service at those dealers given at least they are transparent with the proactive refusal.
All for not however, the bike is running strong and after 2 bikes with FP & 1 with Zippers they work great, cause no problems & I ride my bikes hard. My warranty ended last month.
A good side point however in given all the warranty concerns w/ HD, never buy the extended warranty. Too many things to fight & actuary model shows if you just saved the extra $ to self ensure it works in your favor.
Why does everyone worry about the Warranty it’s only good for two years anyway. Do your upgrades after the warranty expires unless you got the extension.
I have a 2021 Street Glide, initially did the mufflers (Cobra Neighbor Haters) and air cleaner (Screamin Eagle Ventilator) with a tune, there was some noticeable power improvements; however, when i changed out my stock header for the Cobra True Duals header and had it retuned the bike really came alive and i love the improvement, so smooth and throttle response is awesome.
Now i have a friend that did a stage 2 (SE 447 Cams, SE Tappets/Lifters & SE Adjustable Pushrods) and decided he wanted to go with a stage 4 kit and gave me the cams, tappets/lifters & adjustable pushrods, going to have them installed soon, never planned on doing a stage 2 but hard to say no to free, just need to pay for labour. not sure what to expect but i guess we will find out soon
I have a 2017 ultra limited. Got with a few goodies. Looks like factory headers but with khrome werks slip ons and a screaming eagle intake. Not sure if it was tuned. Can you update on your cams? Looking to get headers and a some cams myself but want to know if they actually worth it
@@simplybuilt_1708 Ive added the SE 447 cam, SE Cam Plate & oil pump, SE Tappets, SE adjustable Pushrods and S&S tappet cuffs and who, i thought it came live when i added the full Cobra exhaust but after the cam and everything else its a huge improvement in sounds and power
I’ll go with the 💣Torque cam for my 2018 Fat boy 114🔥
I luv the stage 2 torque cam. Its perfect and sounds really cool the way it lobes...
468 zipper better lope
Did the cam change the volume or the tone, or just the type of sound?
I can’t wait to add the power cam next summer. Thanks for the info.
I had stage two torque cam done on my 2019 Ultra Limited. The difference is remarkable. I love to ride on toll roads with 85 mph speed limit.
Did the cam change the volume or the tone of the exhaust, or just the type of sound?
@@tyroneshoelace4872 the cam helps give it a deeper bark harley sound, but so do they header pipes n slip ons doing a stage 1 but doing the stage 2 you get a bit lots better sound and more of a difference in performance , i went with the higher cam those bikes have enough torQue to suit me from a stop and I just want to jump on the 4 lane at times and make time pull away from traffic or pass with authority on the freeway speeds thats where the 462 shines with horsepower, if you want to race your friends or accelerate faster stop light to stop light or faster getting on a freeway ramp then torque is better to begin with, but if you want long legs to out run most on freeway n pull away go with horsepower cam, they both going to do better for you just depends on where u want to be happier twsiting the throttle at for faster response going at slow speeds to mid riange go torque, faster throttle response on the over 50 mph zone go with horsepower, torque gets you out the gate faster n horsepower then keep on going faster than the torque can keep up with once doing freeway speeds, your friends with torque can leave you at a light or bottom of the ramp, but once your horsepower band kicks in you catch them then run off n leave them at highway speeds or they are pushing higher rpms at highway speed than u to keep up.
@@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe perfect explanation on the cams.
Just got the Stage 2 and love it.
What did you spend...if you don't mind my asking?
P.S. I have already done the Stage 1
@@antoniobrown3219 Stage 2 was $1200 for parts and labor. Labor was the killer.
Did you get the torque or power cam?
@Spencer B did that include the air breather ? My dealership wants 2 grand for the cam kit , tuner , air breather , tax and labor . It's 2 years later maybe the reason for being higher than yours.
My 2018 heritage softail has the stage 2. Sure runs good!
"and when dealer installed, your engine and your motorcycle warranty remains intact."
Oddly enough, my HD dealer in France clearly said that the warranty would be gone in case of a stage (no matter which stage).
I did a Stage II upgrade on my 18 Ultra with the torque cams. All I can say is I
❤️ it. Instant passing power and off the line get up and go. A must do.
Andrew Trapani I’m doing it on my 19 road glide special. It’s a 114 ... hoping for some more balls
MrKAPUSTA it will grow a big set
Andrew Trapani yeah had it done and I’m extremely happy. Did headers too with tab performance slip ons with zombie baffles. Bike runs and sounds amazing
What cams did you do
Why not just buy a bike that has the power you need in stock trim?
If you own a M8 like my 2018 Fatbob, 2017 and 2019 CVOs don't waste money on Harley stage kits. The engine will blow up due to oil pump design flaws and/or plastic tappet guides. Yeah and $50k motorcycle with plastic tappet guides. Neither the dealer who installs it or H corp office will disclose this. S&S, Fueling or Zipper all make higher quality performance kits.
Yea, I understand that the HD dealer product and service must maintain EPA compliance too
Torque kit for me please
I would like solid push rods with the stage 3 upgrade. why use adjustable push rods? The heads are coming off, H-D knows the value of going solid push rods, and they know how long to make them
You can use stock solid pushrods with the stage III for Milwaukee Eight. This is why they are not included in the kits.
I use stock rods anyway. It’s just adds a little more work but much better outcome
As you know the adjustable rods can come loose and are noisier
Wouldn't a Stage II install benefit from a Stage I install as well?
I did upgraded to stage 2 on my 2019 softail slim at local Harley dealer shop.
However, I don't feel any different with before upgraded.
My 2018 FLTRX rocker arm bolts backed out damaging the push rods at 9K. I decided to add the torque cam with the SE tuner during the repair. I honestly can't tell the difference.
Maybe the intake and exhaust are needed for the extra air flow through the motor
If they can guarantee that the parts are so good they won't affect warranty why doesn't HD put them out like this from the factory? Does anyone ever ride them stock? Or is Harley just trying to make more money on an already expensive bike?
Exactly. HD purposely builds the engines with degraded performance, forcing their customers to shell out more money to make things right.
Price. Is it already expensive? Yeah.
EPA emissions that why.
Please update you charts with the lowrider s numbers and what a power cam will do vs to cam. These charts so Less hp/tq than stage one lowrider S numbers
Is there any upgrade in sound with stage 2? I’m riding a RKS Euro with jekyll and i want to know if there is an upgrade in sound with stage2
I had 10 thousand dollars spent on a sporty build their dyno did not change from factory can map after 3 dynos the last one being 6 hours.
I've learned my lesson no support from Harley or Harley racing. I'd been better off leaving it stock ruined my bikes motor in less than 50kilometers all pitted pistons and heads.
Thanx alot Harley I now will go by a&s Andrews or redline as they support their product with a decent starting point
just ordered my torque kit wooo
Mine is being installed, can't wait to get her back.
S&S 475 is the bomb!
I purchased back in June of 2022 a brand new Street Glide Special 114.
8 months later, I am considering a 131 Stage IV kit instead of a 135 Crate Engine replacement.
Is a 131 now cheaper since the 135 is being produced?
The wait for my area in Pennsylvania for a 135 is likely up to December or later when it is officially released for here compared to scheduling a 131 kit upgrade next week.
I am just trying to weigh my options. Looking for any comments, thoughts, or suggestions for this upgrade.
Stage I, II,III, IV, or wait for the 135 crate engine?
To do it your selpf is there anything elses that need to be bought
Any upgrades passed a stage 1 for the street rod 750?
Would it be a great time to also add screaming eagle roller lifters?
Hi, how much (ballpark) to install a Stage 1 + Stage 2 on a 2200 Low Rider bike?
Uhhh, 2020.
Hi there! We'd recommend checking with your dealer for more details.
Probably around $2,300 from stock to stage 2. It depends on which exhaust pipes you go with.
@@mikeessary4925 Thanks!
@@jsprite123 you're welcome
Double check. Let me know how far off 😆
Does these upgrade improve, decrease fuel economy, or no difference?
Any upgrade will decrease your fuel economy nothing to noticable tho
What tuners needed for the 2000 FLHR
Tested, approuved
What about wheel slip after torque cam install? Is this ever an issue? I’ve unintentionally spun My stock 107 M8 when I didn’t mean to because there is already so much torque? Mostly when merging on freeway on-ramps
do you need to upgrade the clutch springs with the stage 2 torque kit?
no
No, incremental gains, stock clutch can handle stage 2. I'm getting 93 HP & 111 ft #, stock can handle
Why not have a cam that does both
Was the download for the tune used in conjunction with the wide range oxygen sensors?
Any problems with crank runout?
Harley-Davidson should have Softails that come from factory with the Stage 1 or Stage 2 (with torque cam) I would buy one an others would two. How much Harley shake is on Stage 1 an Stage 2? I feel the 1200 Sportsters have the right shake. The dummy fuel tank cap or decorative fuel cap why have dual fuel inlet ports on Softails to give that Old School look of split tank.
Harley does have softails that come with stage 1. My anniversary Breakout came with the ventilator on it. No point in exhaust mods cause that's a preference and would cost more just to be changed out. And when you have the option of torque or horsepower in a cam, again it's a preference. Mine got the torque cam. Not much shaking or rattling on the M8s. Which is good, if I wanted to shake I'd drive a Freightshaker/Freightliner. The 114 doesn't need a cam really. Did just fine without it.
Just bought a HD softail Breakout 2019 stage 1 I’ll wait n see if I want to jump any more stages
StyleOfBeyond what were your thoughts mate? I just bought my stage 1 breakout and just waiting on it to be finished and ready for pick up
Can you tell the difference?
Do you need a heavy breather for stage 3 and 4
Okay I’m looking for a upgrade. My 09 Electra glide ultra classic has Rhinharts slip on and K&n air filter. Can do a stage two Milwaukee 8 462 cam and use a Street tuner ?
Just looking at doing a Stage 1 for my 2020 Street Glide Special and it is going to to cost me about $2K and that is only using HD air filter.
So my question is - if this upgrade improves performance why would it not be stock. other than the obvious answer of "its a money maker", does it make sense to put a part in the bike that is conservative or NOT high performance?
@Pomfromoz Good point....actual very few NEED that much HP/performance and for most it's a display badge and bragging rights thing !
It costs exactly the same to build the engine with the better camshaft in the first place. So why not do that?
@@MacRides1 it's a harley. Even with a stage 4 it's still not powerful compared to any other bike.
@@thunderpalace1052 wow!
I'm going a stage 2 talk should I upgrade the injectors intake manifold any feed back be great
Yes, especially when you still have the plastic oem. And maybe is warrantee as well.
I have done both and the result is great, gives you a big smile.
Installed the S&S 55 mm performance manifold on a 2020 FLHRXS.
To be franck , it makes a difference, with respected bike acceleration and Torque …but it’s expensive!
What's the actual numbers? Not percent
Coming soon on my 2020 Ultra!!!
For anyone? I'm on this thread because I'm considering a torque cam for my 2021 Fat Boy. I did a stage I (Basanni 2 into 2 exhaust) and the sound is anemic. I don't care at all about more performance. Don't need it, don't want it. But I do care about the sound. How much will the torque cam change the sound? Also, is there a difference in the sound between different torque cam manufacturers? Thanks guys.
go with vance n hine pro pipes n bigger airflow breather tuned n dyno this is a stage 1 and will give u the sound u want, basanni isnt the best , sell it go vance n hines or thunderheader 2 into 1
for sound
It's all subjective. Personally myself I went with Tab zombies. If you're not concerned with your warranty why would you stick with Harley? The sound is not gonna change that much unless you get a header without the cat, or you remove it from your stock pipe
Can I upgrade my 2020 Freewheeler Trike to a SE Stage 2
Hey Douglas, you can click the link below to see all compatible Screamin' Eagle components for your 2020 Freewheeler. bit.ly/3v0gYD3
Is there a series like this for the 96ci twinkies.
Yes they make a kit to convert your 96ci to a 103ci on harleys website its around 700 for the kit
I have a 2021 fat boy 114 and I've put the stage 2 screaming eagle package on it and at 120mph it stops and won't go any faster and I'm no where close to top speed so wtf
If you have the Screamin Eagle Tuner that's why. Go with a powervision and a nice dyno and you'll solve that real quick.
@@timmcpeck2764 ok thanks but don't get me wrong I love everything about this stage 2 screaming eagle package except for the cut off at 120mph
Secret Question: Who would you want to meet if you could meet anyone? SCOTT F’ing MILLER. But c’mon man… my windscreen is a 2 wrench, this is at least a 7.
Stage 3 2020 fatbob
What is the average cost for stage 2 upgrade?
Hi Ronald - We'd recommend looking at the Screamin' Eagle Stage kits online and reaching out to your dealer since they will be better able to give you an idea of what to expect based on your needs >> bit.ly/3QMdMDQ
My dealership wants almost 2 grand which includes the tourqe cam , tuner , se air breather, tax and labor , let me know what you ended up doing .
Is there Stage Kits for 2020 CVO Triglide Trike?
Hey Charlie, you can see all the Screamin' Eagle upgrades for the 2020 CVO Tri Glide by following this link: bit.ly/3dQgBUe
@@harleydavidson Thanks, appreciate it!
@@harleydavidson Couple yrs back I purchased the V&H 2-2 Big Radius w/stage one. The female at parts setting me up and RINGING me up for parts needed for the clearly stated Stage 1. Bam, $300 and some Fuel Pak sold to me. Mechanic who did work (HD shop) claimed Pak not needed. I was confused but once I heard that bike with the new V&H, Wow, that's what it is supposed to sound like!!!! and forgot about the extra $300 and some I was mislead. Fuel Pak never been used/touched. If I choose to go to another stage, will it then come into play ??
2:12 “…and so we can charge more.”
Can it be install on 2021 model?
Hey, Screamin' Eagle components can be installed to 2021 models. To see which parts and components are compatible with your specific bike, click on the link in the description above.
@@harleydavidson Well, except in California where the tuner now says "Does not fit California ’21-later models."
How much money for stage 2 on my 107 and how much hp will i get?I think i said that right?
I have the same question! I was quoted around $1,400 at a dealer. I wish they had answered your question so that I could piggyback on the answer.
Just got a quote today from my local east Texas dealership. My 107 Stage 2 is $429 plus 7 hours labor charge at $125 an hour. As well as the stage 2 badge. With a discount the total out the door is $1149.00 installed and full warranty intact.
Difficult to answer as there is a ton of variation in "stage 1" cost 1st. Stage II two only, is about $400 for kit & then labor, so $1,100 to $1,200 is good estimate for stage II only. However, you need air in, air out & tuner to open up performance with significant pricing diff. If you went cheap, lower perf, slip ons only, SE tuner (not a very adjustable tuner) & filter only change parts are roughly $900-$1,000 depending on brands. Other extreme, better perf, full ECM Zipper type ECU replacement, full headers & mufflers with high flow air cleaner replacement you could easily get over $2K for parts only.
For my 107", I went stage 1 with SE Ventilator, Basani road rage 2 to 1 full exhaust & VH FP3 tuner. Parts were around $1,500, I installed myself & VH FP3 tuner allowed for dynamic remaps once HD later put in cams for stage II, & new map from VH. All upgrades, with stage II torque cam, running 111ft# & 93 HP, great power through the rev range, no downshifting required, starts losing power at 5,200 RPM.
Yo
Looking to do an upgrade but I have to say, Million Dollar Bogan influenced a sport bike rider like me.
Peace, keep it real!
What was the cost of the upgrade? I have the stage 1.
Benjamin Meyers 2000-2500 depending on exhaust choice and AC choice.
It's basically just the cost of the cam and pushrods. About $500+install..
You'll get bored with it in about the same amount of time you got bored with your stage1. I went with a HD stage1. Now I'm going with a full blown SS 475 cam kit stage 2.
As per recent law suit we don’t have to buy Harley parts to keep the warranty
Can all these stages be done on my 48
Yes. Buy the SE heads, Andrews N6 cams, heavy breather, bassani 2 into 1and get a power vision tune done and you'll be rocking.
Are the power numbers actually at the rear wheel?
TH MK8 HDMC is going to give crank numbers. I’ve done the stage IV kit with the torque cam and had mine dyno’d. I asked to pull back a bit on the tune as I wanted more reliable for the long haul. I’ve heard of numbers past 125 at the rear wheel but can say mine is 115hp & 115tq at the rear wheel. With a conservative 10% powertrain loss that’s 50% better than stock. After logging a few thousand miles my only fear is one day I’m going to whiskey throttle it and I’ll be in serious trouble. Hindsight from what I’ve read and seen the stage II is the best bang for the buck and 3&4 are a lot more $ for smaller gains. Not a professional just a rider and my two cents.
@@duke9173 that's some dam good power. I completely agree with everything else you said too.
Stage 2 is all u need...
i'm sorry but you pay a lot of money for a harley if it doesn't have performance than the customer has many other options all cheaper too with better reliability. Harley needs to stop with these stage upgrades one shouldn't have to upgrade their bike it should be good to go from the factory.
Can you put a stage ll in my wide glide 2011? I have stage1 for moment. Excuse my for my bad anglish speak french
AnneMa Drou Yes, but you have a twin cam. So it will be more money as there are two cams and more labor intensive.
Harley stock been in a steep nose dive last 7 years. People are fed up pouring money into these engines which are designed to fail. People not paying 20 to 30 thousand dollars for new bikes... I predict this company will be bankrupt inside of 5 years from now..... We have access to company balance sheets, showing the company way over extended on existing loans and credit to the tune of almost 500 million dollars. This motor company not have that kind of cash to pay back..........Is only a matter of time now, before banks start calling these notes back over-due for payment............
Just wanted to ask a couple of questions....I have a 2022 SgS with a Arlen Ness 90 degree air filter tab performance slip one....if I want to do a stage 2 screaming eagle upgrade with cam and tuner, do I need to do a full exhaust.....I'm not looking for stupid speed and Dyno numbers...I am looking for a nice Butt Dyno...to wake the bike up a bit....just trying to save a little money.
Hey Rick, we recommend you check with your dealer so that their experienced staff can help you with your questions. Thank you.
A 30% power increase would be impressive if the base engine wasnt so wheezy.
I’m a Andrews guy no offense Harley Video guy
Don't go past stage 2.
Why is that ?
@@robertyoung5678 I would assume it is due to reliability issues and all the sumping issues I keep hearing about. I have the money to do a stage 3 or even 4 for my 114 Fat Bob but after reading all the issues that can arise im gonna stick to just doing the stage 1 and 2.
@@0321ReconMan Thank you for the feed back 👍👍 I did a stage 1 an 2 on my 2019 heritage an really love it !!! I really thought about the stage 3 but was also worried about problems on down the road !
robert young Right on, did you get the SE pro street tuner and the SE smart tune pro? I think by having the smart tune pro installed and constantly working to adjust to your riding style would eliminate a lot of the reliability issues guys are having with stage 3 an 4. I am gonna have the smart tune pro installed when I do the upgrade
@@0321ReconMan I just got the SE pro street tuner with the SE torque cam !! The dealer said i really did not need the SE smart tune pro unless i was going to do more up grades ?? I am in the spring going to upgrade my clutch to a SE clutch kit ! The dealer said it would be a good idea since I upgraded to a bigger cam an might ride my aggressively !! Hey love the the new fat boy it's also an awesome bike !!!
10%...i want 30%!!
YOU TRIGGERED ? Then buy a Ducati Diavel X
@@ardav951 had ducatis all my life...last service was 1200$....200$ on my harley....
YOU TRIGGERED ? On this you’re absolutely right!
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Dont fall for this HD.scam.They could have built it stage 4 when they manufactured it.This kind of crap is what pisses people off.Buy S&S..
So, apparently HD purposely build their engines with the wrong components inside, forcing their customers to spend more money in order to make it right. It costs the same to build an engine with the correct camshaft as it does to do it with one that has degraded performance. No wonder HD is having trouble with its image and its reputation.
Harley-Davidson I noticed you upload videos and never get back to people, so I UN-subscribed. Not you will miss one anyway, with 158K-plus subscribers.
Boohooooo
See you later!
Lmao.
Why the hell should you feel the need to upgrade $30000 piece of garbage
Agreed. Should come with stage 2 power levels minimum from the factory. What a racket, between there clothing line and "stage" kits they become more of a accessory company than a motorcyclist brand.
If its garbage, why bother be on this youtube channel?
Stage 2, twice as likely to fail.
Roy Batty Still under warranty at least.
I’ll let you know if that happens cause right now bike runs awesome.
What makes that true?
And after all that still less hp than a stock Goldwing.
But Goldwings are gay...ya know...so there's that lol.
They all love to look at the Harley you tube channels because they know they have fucked up buy not buying one. That's why they troll because they dream off owning a Harley.
Don't tread on me lol true
Still less power than a stock gold wing hmmm so then you can buy a gold wing and I'll keep my harley there ya go problem solved lol all jest aside they make different motorcycles because as the old saying goes different strokes for different folks if we all wanted the same thing this world would be pretty damn boring
Well I guess the Harley would keep up if it had as much plastic on it. Lol. Totally different rides man. The new wings are like a sport bike that wants to be a touring bike. The HD HAS THE STANCE THE SOUND AND THE ATTITUDE. I heard you need to wear an ascot to ride the Honda’s 😝
Brutal. Take the 5 or 6 grand its gonna take to get your bike to be fast. And come off with 3500k and get ANOTHER bike.. And watch your "friends" as you blow by. Stop wasting time and $$ . we all get bugs in our teeth. Keep the rubber side down . stay safe ride defensively
@Hair Razor Detox 300 really? At the dealer?. What did they do?
@Hair Razor Detox so do I .. the post was for the others that do go to the dealership
Screaming eagle stuff is conservative
If you want real power go with s&s or woods or Andrews etc