Hi Matt, I believe they were originally 1950s or 60s Kitmaster Rosebud brand kits then Airfix and then Dapol. They are LMS Stanier coaches from pre BR days (before 1947) and pretty much only seen on the Midland region. The BR mk1 57 foot Suburban coaches were designed using these as a base. Cheers for the build, stay safe.
these are not the old models like most dapol kits, these are the ex airfix gmr lms non corridor suburban coaches, however sold as a kit rather than rtr
Excellent video. I've only got into model railways since lockdown and been on a limited budget as I was self employed I have been limited to what I can spend. Having seen your video I am now keen to get some of these kits and building them is no issue for me; I'm a fitter so quality is paramount ! You are so right to question the instructions; had this so many times myself. At first you think it's yourself and then instant enlightenment when you realise it's them ! Thanks for the inspiration to try a few kits. Kindest regards, Rick the Bulldog Builder x
Thanks Rick! These are some pretty easy (and cheap) models of a good quality which will allow you to build up a fleet of rolling stock quite quickly. I think that if I were to do these models again i'd get a few and do a "production line" on them - being simple colours i'd probably airbrush or spray paint the roof and ends for speed Or, they might make a great conversion into some fictional/custom paint schemes
Nice one. I still have a couple of these kits I made back in the 60s when they were marketed by Rosebud Kitmaster. Value for money even back then and with the eye watering prices of today's carriage models it makes sense to have ago at building these. Enjoyed your build and thank you for sharing. Stay safe.
Thanks, great piece, I’ve always wondered about these particular kits but don’t see them about that often. With such a fair price I’m inclined to build a few up but really wish there was western equivalent kit
I would wash the plasitc windows with clear floor polish I got on speacial import from ebay, ink wash door cracks, hair spray / chipping the paint work for fading effect, Use 000 brush with GW bronze, copper, gold colours on the hand rails & door handles. I remeber going on the battle field line with a friend and saw loads of decaying wagons, coachs & locos that could be copied and made well with small grass added and trees trying to grow through the various wagons. I would take your time to experment with more colours more with newer models. It looks great.
I bought a load of them over a few months, they are vastly improved by adding metal wheels ( adjust wheelsets with a back to back gauge before fitting) and Hornby small tension locks. Brush windows with Johnsons Klear before installing for another lo-cost improvement. I'm just about to test Keen Systems close couplings and paint interior partitions brown with blue or dark red upholstery. Also about to fit homemade led lights with button cell battery for interior lights.
Hi not been long since I bought RTR versions but didn’t know they were sold as a kit as I would have got those. Mine did come with broken buffers but easy fix
Very nice Matt, love your railway. I hope you give Dapol a mouthful re the incorrect instructions. Really not acceptable that....oh well, i guess theyre human too and therefore liable to making errors. Do please take care and stay safe
I don't think Airfix ever sold this in kit form, just as a fully assembled carriage in their model railway (GMR) range. Good spot on the instructions, I suspect Dapol thought they had successfully changed the picture on the instructions but obviously hadn't.
Apparently in the original book stories, his coaches were indeed bogie versions rather than the 4 wheelers as seen on TV. I think with a lick of paint, these would be ideal to represent them
Hi Matt. If only Dapol would consider making a range of GWR coaches as kits then I might consider buying a load of them since I really enjoy building kits such as these as a cost-effective alternative to buying ready-made versions, which seem to be escalating in price willy-nilly and for the slightest of reasons. Nice video though and I enjoyed it very much.
yes, i agree - some low cost kits with reasonable detail that would allow modellers to upgrade and paint them as they like would be amazing! Sadly, I don't think Dapol will invest in the tooling for such a thing, the kits they currently have are all ex-kitmaster or something, so the tooling cost has probably already been paid off
Great job on the coach Matt! It runs well on your garden railway (which is looking great by the way). That is annoying that the Dapol instructions are wrong for this kit. I still have one or two of their kits in my stash. I hope the instructions are okay on them!
Thanks! I find that the wagon kits tend to be pretty much correct, just this one it felt like they had one person take the photos, someone else dictate and a third wrote it out
These were ubiquitous on LMS territory, including the London Tilbury and Southend. The BR numbering should be MxxxxxM, or SCxxxxxM or ExxxxxM depending on which region they were operating in. They could probably be hacked to make an LMS EMU in green. I wonder if the windows could be glazed with microscope slide or 35 mm photo slide glass? The originals were very comfortable.
Ironically watching this after your decal pronunciation video, and you’ve found a third way to say Dapol that I’ve not heard before 😅😉. Small point, your description at the start discusses the BR Mk1 coach, whereas the kit is an LMS design from the 1930s.
Good , honest review Matt! Thanks for the information. Have you built any of the Dapol plastic engines yet? Your garden railroad looks really nice and the coach is a great addition to it. Thanks for sharing this.
Hi John! Thanks for watching! I've built the Dapol Pug: th-cam.com/video/1ccn2t4_aVo/w-d-xo.html The Prairie: th-cam.com/video/1ub47ctSBd4/w-d-xo.html The "Schools": th-cam.com/video/vutH6NTaTZY/w-d-xo.html A Vent van: th-cam.com/video/Z71n4AYTRQA/w-d-xo.html & I also painted the workmen figures: th-cam.com/video/bCvPpIEfyoo/w-d-xo.html Some of them were done many years ago when I first started my channel so not really up to the standard of build or video that I do these days
hi any chance of doing a wills kit like a cottage or the post office, those kits come with stone sheets that you have to use paper templates for marking out the windows and walls. i car`t find any good videos on youtube covering those kits.
I wonder if the scratches / marks on the clear parts are a result of it being bagged not boxed, and the clear parts being in the same bag as everything else. Excessive handling in the warehouse, despatch, even in the shop by staff and customers may knock the parts together. Not possible if they had a bag of their own.
I haven't measured the coach, but doing a calculation online - 57ft scaled at 1/76 equals 9". I imagine it would be a pretty close match yo the triang coach in length
@@ModelMinutes thank you. I will be ordering some soon then although I have noticed some have disappeared from listings so I wonder if they are correcting the instructions
Don't be sad it just gives me an excuse to scratch build one. quick tip costa coffe tops are made from proper styrene like the sheets. I save them comes in handy when your kit is missing a seat 🤣🤝
It’s a shame Dapol don’t make coaches from an earlier era such as the pre grouping time. Clerestories would be nice or even four wheelers. Just saying.
Not being a railway expert myself, it is possible I have confused the history of the Stanier 57ft coach and that of the BR Mk1 57ft Suburban coach which it would seem were two different designs (but would seem to share a very similar aesthetic)
I was lazy & just brought the ready made ones... I really like them honestly, got a couple & look really good with my Oxford Rail N7 as a Autotrain
Sound great!
More model railway kit builds like this would be great. 👍🏻😀👌🏻
Hi Matt, I believe they were originally 1950s or 60s Kitmaster Rosebud brand kits then Airfix and then Dapol. They are LMS Stanier coaches from pre BR days (before 1947) and pretty much only seen on the Midland region. The BR mk1 57 foot Suburban coaches were designed using these as a base. Cheers for the build, stay safe.
Thanks for the info!
these are not the old models like most dapol kits, these are the ex airfix gmr lms non corridor suburban coaches, however sold as a kit rather than rtr
Excellent video. I've only got into model railways since lockdown and been on a limited budget as I was self employed I have been limited to what I can spend. Having seen your video I am now keen to get some of these kits and building them is no issue for me; I'm a fitter so quality is paramount ! You are so right to question the instructions; had this so many times myself. At first you think it's yourself and then instant enlightenment when you realise it's them ! Thanks for the inspiration to try a few kits. Kindest regards, Rick the Bulldog Builder x
Thanks Rick! These are some pretty easy (and cheap) models of a good quality which will allow you to build up a fleet of rolling stock quite quickly. I think that if I were to do these models again i'd get a few and do a "production line" on them - being simple colours i'd probably airbrush or spray paint the roof and ends for speed
Or, they might make a great conversion into some fictional/custom paint schemes
Nice one. I still have a couple of these kits I made back in the 60s when they were marketed by Rosebud Kitmaster. Value for money even back then and with the eye watering prices of today's carriage models it makes sense to have ago at building these. Enjoyed your build and thank you for sharing. Stay safe.
Thanks!
You know I'm actually planning on getting 2 of these coaches and painting them to look like RWS annie and clarrabel for my hornby thomas :D
I think they'd be perfect for that!
@Korbyn Phoenix ok thanks :)
It's very nice and politely work. I'm looking forward to the next. Thank you !
Thank you very much!
Thanks, great piece, I’ve always wondered about these particular kits but don’t see them about that often. With such a fair price I’m inclined to build a few up but really wish there was western equivalent kit
Thanks for watching!
Got my reminder set
Thanks!
I would wash the plasitc windows with clear floor polish I got on speacial import from ebay, ink wash door cracks, hair spray / chipping the paint work for fading effect, Use 000 brush with GW bronze, copper, gold colours on the hand rails & door handles. I remeber going on the battle field line with a friend and saw loads of decaying wagons, coachs & locos that could be copied and made well with small grass added and trees trying to grow through the various wagons. I would take your time to experment with more colours more with newer models. It looks great.
Thanks for the suggestions!
I bought a load of them over a few months, they are vastly improved by adding metal wheels ( adjust wheelsets with a back to back gauge before fitting) and Hornby small tension locks. Brush windows with Johnsons Klear before installing for another lo-cost improvement. I'm just about to test Keen Systems close couplings and paint interior partitions brown with blue or dark red upholstery. Also about to fit homemade led lights with button cell battery for interior lights.
Sounds like an interesting project!
Hi not been long since I bought RTR versions but didn’t know they were sold as a kit as I would have got those. Mine did come with broken buffers but easy fix
Yeah, the RTR versions are only a bit more expensive
Very nice Matt, love your railway. I hope you give Dapol a mouthful re the incorrect instructions. Really not acceptable that....oh well, i guess theyre human too and therefore liable to making errors. Do please take care and stay safe
Thanks! I think that my video is enough of a mouthful tbh :P
I don't think Airfix ever sold this in kit form, just as a fully assembled carriage in their model railway (GMR) range. Good spot on the instructions, I suspect Dapol thought they had successfully changed the picture on the instructions but obviously hadn't.
Thanks for the info! Yeah, the instructions were annoying because i sat there for about 20 minutes trying to figure out why the tabs didn't line up
This coach does look good with a Hornby Thomas. Maybe I might get these coach kits and make them be longer versions of Annie and Clarabel
Apparently in the original book stories, his coaches were indeed bogie versions rather than the 4 wheelers as seen on TV. I think with a lick of paint, these would be ideal to represent them
Hi Matt. If only Dapol would consider making a range of GWR coaches as kits then I might consider buying a load of them since I really enjoy building kits such as these as a cost-effective alternative to buying ready-made versions, which seem to be escalating in price willy-nilly and for the slightest of reasons. Nice video though and I enjoyed it very much.
yes, i agree - some low cost kits with reasonable detail that would allow modellers to upgrade and paint them as they like would be amazing! Sadly, I don't think Dapol will invest in the tooling for such a thing, the kits they currently have are all ex-kitmaster or something, so the tooling cost has probably already been paid off
Great job on the coach Matt! It runs well on your garden railway (which is looking great by the way). That is annoying that the Dapol instructions are wrong for this kit. I still have one or two of their kits in my stash. I hope the instructions are okay on them!
Thanks! I find that the wagon kits tend to be pretty much correct, just this one it felt like they had one person take the photos, someone else dictate and a third wrote it out
Looks cool
Thanks!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
These were ubiquitous on LMS territory, including the London Tilbury and Southend. The BR numbering should be MxxxxxM, or SCxxxxxM or ExxxxxM depending on which region they were operating in. They could probably be hacked to make an LMS EMU in green. I wonder if the windows could be glazed with microscope slide or 35 mm photo slide glass?
The originals were very comfortable.
Thanks for the info!
Ironically watching this after your decal pronunciation video, and you’ve found a third way to say Dapol that I’ve not heard before 😅😉.
Small point, your description at the start discusses the BR Mk1 coach, whereas the kit is an LMS design from the 1930s.
Interesting!
Nice 👍 can’t wait
Yay!
I bought 3 from Hattons 2 of which are the brake model. My main problem is with the tension locks coming loose.
Do they pull out when you run them?
@@ModelMinutes Yes. Was thinking oh gluing them in. The instructions just say “clip in”
@@redbank542 Yeah, I did wonder if they'd pull out over time
Good , honest review Matt! Thanks for the information. Have you built any of the Dapol plastic engines yet? Your garden railroad looks really nice and the coach is a great addition to it. Thanks for sharing this.
Hi John! Thanks for watching! I've built the Dapol Pug: th-cam.com/video/1ccn2t4_aVo/w-d-xo.html
The Prairie: th-cam.com/video/1ub47ctSBd4/w-d-xo.html
The "Schools": th-cam.com/video/vutH6NTaTZY/w-d-xo.html
A Vent van: th-cam.com/video/Z71n4AYTRQA/w-d-xo.html
& I also painted the workmen figures: th-cam.com/video/bCvPpIEfyoo/w-d-xo.html
Some of them were done many years ago when I first started my channel so not really up to the standard of build or video that I do these days
@@ModelMinutes Thanks Matt.
Good kits for the price
Yes they are, i'm tempted to get more
Percy and Thomas! :3
Yup!
You know I'm actually planning on getting 2 of these coaches and painting them to look like RWS annie and clarrabel for my hornby thomas :D
hi any chance of doing a wills kit like a cottage or the post office, those kits come with stone sheets that you have to use paper templates for marking out the windows and walls. i car`t find any good videos on youtube covering those kits.
That's a great idea! I'll have to see if I can get some
I've just started building kits, and i'm finding it hard to find coach kits
Do you have any recommendations?
Other than Dapol, i know that Ratio makes some 4 wheel kits. Not sure there are that many manufacturers of them these days
I wonder if the scratches / marks on the clear parts are a result of it being bagged not boxed, and the clear parts being in the same bag as everything else. Excessive handling in the warehouse, despatch, even in the shop by staff and customers may knock the parts together. Not possible if they had a bag of their own.
might well be, or could be a result of a less than careful moulding process
That'll go well on your outdoor line won't it?
Oh yes!
Hi Matt I was wanting to get the kit but cant find where to get can only find Expensive ready to run models
I’m not sure if they are still in production, I struggled to find any online recently
I'm thinking of getting these, what is the length of the model as I need roughly the length of the old triang 9" coaches
I haven't measured the coach, but doing a calculation online - 57ft scaled at 1/76 equals 9". I imagine it would be a pretty close match yo the triang coach in length
@@ModelMinutes thank you. I will be ordering some soon then although I have noticed some have disappeared from listings so I wonder if they are correcting the instructions
@@thedreamtommylees Maybe, or they finished the production run and sold out . . .
try building a icm spitfire kit ...I am sure them instructions are made for borrowers, you need magnifying glass to read them.
Oh dear! sounds like a challenge :P
You won't do it 😜 😈
yeah it's a challenge when there is no seat either ... sealed kit but missing from the runner 🏃.
Vasili 😕
Don't be sad it just gives me an excuse to scratch build one.
quick tip costa coffe tops are made from proper styrene like the sheets. I save them comes in handy when your kit is missing a seat 🤣🤝
Vasili thanks for the info, will have to remember that
Do you know if there is a way to buy this kit for usd?
There may be some stocks online somewhere, but I can't tell for sure
Dapol stainer 57' coach
yup
It’s a shame Dapol don’t make coaches from an earlier era such as the pre grouping time. Clerestories would be nice or even four wheelers. Just saying.
yeah, would be nice, but i guess it is too expensive for them to do
If you want to find out more about the Rosebud Kitmaster/Airfix coaches try looking at this sight
www.kitmaster.org.uk/
Thanks!
i will get the schools class and 2 of these coaches
nice!
waar zijn dapol plastiek trijnmodellen te koop
They are available online
Ze zijn online beschikbaar
the real coaches were made in the 1930s, not 1950s
Not being a railway expert myself, it is possible I have confused the history of the Stanier 57ft coach and that of the BR Mk1 57ft Suburban coach which it would seem were two different designs (but would seem to share a very similar aesthetic)
@@ModelMinutes oh dont worry im not having a go at you, im just pointing out the mistake
Looks cool
Thanks! :D