All the independent tests I've seen conclude that these pump that these guys buy and scratch the brand off and laser etch their name on, is outflowed by the TI Automotive (aka Walbro)
I see test voltage is 13.5v which is low, can we see a test @ 14.8v alternator charging voltage, or a bap voltage of 15.5-16.0v?, Applied to these pumps, as with adding voltage, current consumption comes down, and I hear walbro needs atleast 14.8v to shine. Not Knocking the dw400 it's a nice pump, but I think testing condition s could have yielded different results in a higher voltage setting, at straight battery power of 12.5-12.6v the dw400 probably walks all over the 525 walbro, due too less voltage with higher current draw.
It doesn't matter what voltage you compare them at as long as it is the same. The flow is almost linear when it comes to voltage so the difference between the pumps would be the same.
Hey when swapping fuels, how long would you have to run the DW400 pumps dry before you damaged them. As i swap fuel the flow starts to slow down as tanks near empty. Is that ok on the pumps to drain fuel tank dry to get all the fuel out before swapping to other type of fuel. Just don't wanna burn my pumps.
MAK Performance used a JMS Boost a Pump on their DW400 on a procharged 2018 mustang. Held to 850whp on E85. They used it to hold voltage steady throughout the powerband. www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/new-product-release-1000hp-drop-in-fuel-pump-upgrade.99826/
The BR540 is not a DW pump and we have not tested one ourselves so we cannot provide anything in the way of performance data. Some things that set the DW400 apart are its integrated check valve, application specific fitment kits, technical product support, and a 3-year warranty.
@@deatschwerks Great video fo sure. im now a the limit of my pump so ill be looking for a second pump soon. are you guys thinking of mechanical pumps at all?
I'm wondering what day will they make a brushless pump. Shouldn't be an issue the only other components needed is a speed controller / 3 phase circuit controller
Brushless could make up for better performance too, since if you have extra circuitry you might as well add a booster in there too and crank it up to 18-24V so you don't have to run as much current through the motor windings.
@@deatschwerks I have a DW400 with a BAP and the car runs good but I notice that at high RPMs high load/boost my FLP actually does decrease to around 40-50 PSI , would that make the walboro better in my case?
@@a.wheeler7731 Without knowing the specifics of your application and vehicle's set up it is tough to answer your questions. We'd love to help you resolve your issue. Email us at customerservice@deatschwerks.com to discuss further.
I am thinking to go e85 route with my TT 2015 GT. i am at 600whp pump gas right now. What is the safe HP i can go to on a singe pump? (no voltage booster.) can i hit 700 wheel, 750 wheel?
We actually have a dual dw400 module that is releasing this next week for the mustang! Set up for a full return system and capable of supporting well over 1200hp. You should see 700-750 safely on one pump.
@@maximusvonce1381 Does your DW400 give you a hard times? My DW400 make my mustang start on a 2nd time, every time i am letting it sit for 5-10 min after a drive.
@@ironbull2003 you need a check valve. It's draining back into the tank. Check valve will stop that. My Audi did that with both dw400 and walbro 450. Check valved stopped that.
Who is running 50lb. of boost with only 1 fuel pump? Standard fuel pressure about 40 then add 1lb. fuel pressure for every lb. of boost. So at 70psi fuel pressure you would be around about 30lb of boost and thats a lot of boost for most people.
@El buckeye No doubt. I had 36lb. of boost on my civic making 713hp. But who runs 50lb of boost with a single fuel pump? Everyone I know run dual or triple fuel pumps once you get to those numbers.
@El buckeye at 36lb. I had a 10 gallon fuel cell E85 ran an external aromotive a1000 with Id2000cc injectors. But that was all we could do. Im currently building a CR-V to 500-600 hp. With a single in tank Walbro Hellcat 525. I'm boarder line going to a dual setup. Good luck on you build. 👍Race it, break it, fix it, repeat!
@El buckeye Nope. No intank pump at all. just the one external. Idk if it was the filter or the pump that held us back but 713 is where we ran out of fuel. so that makes sense on E85 at least. If we ran Q16 with meth injection im sure we could have hit much higher numbers. Or a dual pump setup but I thought that was plenty for a civic anyways. I was getting scared of the motor blowing up at that point because I didn't know how well it was built Unfortunately it croaked shortly after that due to the Darton MID sleeves. Still the most fun in a car I have had. I owned a 40 hot rod with over 1000hp and wasn't as much fun as the civic. cost a 1/5 of of the chevy too.
with a fpr with a 1:1 ratio 100 PSI would be roughly 60 POUNDS OF BOOST ! I May be mistaken but what, ive seen data logging on true 1:1 ratio fpr's is there is a bout a extra pound of pressure per boost psi, so hmm as soon as i get to 50 or more psi ill consider Deatschwerks. highest I got on my twin walbro set up was 45 psi and they did well price to product wise. Deatschwerks seem to work well and are consistent not as dramatic of a loss.
Some manufacturers use 55psi as their base fuel pressure. Those applications I have seen them running upwards of 40lb of boost. So yeah, you want to know what it flows at 100psi so you don't lose flow and run lean.
@@glhomni ironic because I just finished u ppl a turbo ls build 1st ever. OEM pressure is 58 psi! I thought that was a typo but it's not. so yeah I'm dialed in at 58 psi....and plan to run 15 to 20 pounds 30 eventually once a trans that can handle power goes behind the engine.
Would one of these work for a 16 Mustang GT with a Vortec Supercharger? I have a JMS bap that's giving my tuner all kinds of hell. At 5000 rpms the gas starts to cut out. With the WD400 would I even need a bap ?
Depending on your horsepower and fuel type the DW400 will support approximately 750whp on E85 and 1000hp on pump gas without a BAP. The kit you would need is part number 9-403-1047.
@@FJTabb If you are within that 750/1000 hp mark, yes.Return isn’t required at those power levels, more than that we recommend Return for less complexity.
I’m hitting 460WHP SAE on the dyno FBO Challenger 6.4 Scatpack, no e85 or Cam yet. I’m going to buying hellcat injectors but i need a fuel pump as well. help?
i want to buy this pump for my car i need a 450LPH but i need a inlet ID 11 MM for install holley hydrat matt but they don't have, so it was necessary to buy a Wallbro :(
So what I got from this is if you are running 50 psi or less and use a static fuel pressure regulator don’t buy our product. If you run 50 psi and or use a rising rate fuel pressure regulator buy our products.
They are well known for their shitty pressure valves. If you use them up to their higher rated pressure, they don't last. I'm not the only one killing them, and I'll never buy another one. Take a minute and think about how some places mod them before they sell them...
I had not heard of deatschwerks and was always lead to Walbro. I saw them in a few channels and came here. Given flow and engine whine, I am now a DW customer, good job gentlemen.
@@SuperPenishole Lol "SuperPenisHole". Sounds like an intelligent guy... Anyway. A fuelpump isn't meant to run on high pressures over a long period of time. If you run them at 58+ PSI at idle, don't be surprised when they fry. Not to mention how the fuel heats up anyway.
I'm running dual DW300 pumps on E85 in my 800+hp CTS-V. Never had an issue.
how many years have you had it?
The DW even draws less current all around, choice time. Emailed AStewart but it bounced back. Thankfully you posted this video.
email james@deatschwerks.com and we can get you set up or answer any questions you have.
@@bhutchz Mr'Mark Are you accepting orders for the brushless DW fuel pump that you announced at the last year 2018 at Sema show?
Its brushless
Honest testing. Refreshing!
I wonder which has the greatest longevity?
I just bought a 525
Hi be great to see a test on the Walbro 540 vs DW810 nothing out there be very interesting
I will say from experience, DW does in fact make great fuel pumps!!
how many years would you say the dw300 would last on a daily driver?
@@pc7225 mine went out maybe 4 months on e😭
@@legendaryplays33 e85 wears them out quickly
They don't "make" pumps. They import them and scratch the brand/part number off and laser etch their logo on it.
Thanks for the good information, so many Walbro fanbois won't listen to logic. I appreciate the effort your company puts into making quality products.
Its pretty much says, hey our $200 fuel pump performs like a $130 fuel pump....
lol DW fanboys won't listen to logic either apparently
All the independent tests I've seen conclude that these pump that these guys buy and scratch the brand off and laser etch their name on, is outflowed by the TI Automotive (aka Walbro)
I see test voltage is 13.5v which is low, can we see a test @ 14.8v alternator charging voltage, or a bap voltage of 15.5-16.0v?, Applied to these pumps, as with adding voltage, current consumption comes down, and I hear walbro needs atleast 14.8v to shine. Not Knocking the dw400 it's a nice pump, but I think testing condition s could have yielded different results in a higher voltage setting, at straight battery power of 12.5-12.6v the dw400 probably walks all over the 525 walbro, due too less voltage with higher current draw.
It doesn't matter what voltage you compare them at as long as it is the same. The flow is almost linear when it comes to voltage so the difference between the pumps would be the same.
I would rather see data from an endurance test. A flow test to measure max flow will tell you nothing about the quality of the pumps.
Could you go through your test bench setup?
Hey when swapping fuels, how long would you have to run the DW400 pumps dry before you damaged them. As i swap fuel the flow starts to slow down as tanks near empty. Is that ok on the pumps to drain fuel tank dry to get all the fuel out before swapping to other type of fuel. Just don't wanna burn my pumps.
why use two different power sources?
The pumps have different connectors, it allowed us to swap pumps in a single take.
Have you guys tested with higher voltage from fuel pump booster?
MAK Performance used a JMS Boost a Pump on their DW400 on a procharged 2018 mustang. Held to 850whp on E85. They used it to hold voltage steady throughout the powerband. www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/new-product-release-1000hp-drop-in-fuel-pump-upgrade.99826/
Hey Ivan, yes, we have. Send techsupport@deatschwerks.com a message and we'll get a copy of the flow report sent over to you.
What ever happened to the Gen 5 Camaro drop in dual fuel pump? Last I heard it went back for re-engineering and now nothing.
The new improved version is on its way, watch for our announcement in the coming months.
Damn the quality you can hear the difference. DW sounds alot smoother and torque-y er
Torque-y-er, lol!
@@jacobanderson3768 yup thats how i say it sometimes lol
So is your dw400 similar to a br540?
The BR540 is not a DW pump and we have not tested one ourselves so we cannot provide anything in the way of performance data. Some things that set the DW400 apart are its integrated check valve, application specific fitment kits, technical product support, and a 3-year warranty.
@@deatschwerks Great video fo sure. im now a the limit of my pump so ill be looking for a second pump soon. are you guys thinking of mechanical pumps at all?
what is price difference ?
Do you guys make anything compare to walbro GLS392? Looking to upgrade in my diesel pick up.
Our DW250iL is comparable to that pump
@@deatschwerks and it can be used for diesel?
@@Blueovalnation I'm sorry, I missed that part, our pumps are not diesel compatible.
I'm wondering what day will they make a brushless pump. Shouldn't be an issue the only other components needed is a speed controller / 3 phase circuit controller
Bugatti veyron pump is brushless
@@Breakitjake fuelab do brushless
We do have a brushless pump available! www.deatschwerks.com/blog/deatschwerks-introduces-their-all-new-440-lph-brushless-pump-and-controller
Theres a aeromotive brushless for up to 1800hp
Brushless could make up for better performance too, since if you have extra circuitry you might as well add a booster in there too and crank it up to 18-24V so you don't have to run as much current through the motor windings.
Is this referring to fuel line pressure or what sensor reading on datalogs?
It is referring to fuel line pressure.
@@deatschwerks I have a DW400 with a BAP and the car runs good but I notice that at high RPMs high load/boost my FLP actually does decrease to around 40-50 PSI , would that make the walboro better in my case?
@@a.wheeler7731 Without knowing the specifics of your application and vehicle's set up it is tough to answer your questions. We'd love to help you resolve your issue. Email us at customerservice@deatschwerks.com to discuss further.
Todays my 450walbro gone lol just a month now switching to dw400 design bigger and longer look good item
try vs Bosch 044 !
I am thinking to go e85 route with my TT 2015 GT. i am at 600whp pump gas right now. What is the safe HP i can go to on a singe pump? (no voltage booster.) can i hit 700 wheel, 750 wheel?
We actually have a dual dw400 module that is releasing this next week for the mustang! Set up for a full return system and capable of supporting well over 1200hp. You should see 700-750 safely on one pump.
I have that system dw400 twin pumps
@@maximusvonce1381 Does your DW400 give you a hard times? My DW400 make my mustang start on a 2nd time, every time i am letting it sit for 5-10 min after a drive.
@@ironbull2003 you need a check valve. It's draining back into the tank. Check valve will stop that. My Audi did that with both dw400 and walbro 450. Check valved stopped that.
Just wondering what fluid you guys use for testing? For safety.
We use Mineral Spirits
@@deatschwerks since mineral spirits has nearly double the viscosity of gasoline, how do you think this would affect the numbers?
Can you also install BAP with DW400?
Yes, absolutely!
Who is running 50lb. of boost with only 1 fuel pump? Standard fuel pressure about 40 then add 1lb. fuel pressure for every lb. of boost. So at 70psi fuel pressure you would be around about 30lb of boost and thats a lot of boost for most people.
@El buckeye No doubt. I had 36lb. of boost on my civic making 713hp. But who runs 50lb of boost with a single fuel pump? Everyone I know run dual or triple fuel pumps once you get to those numbers.
@El buckeye at 36lb. I had a 10 gallon fuel cell E85 ran an external aromotive a1000 with Id2000cc injectors. But that was all we could do. Im currently building a CR-V to 500-600 hp. With a single in tank Walbro Hellcat 525. I'm boarder line going to a dual setup. Good luck on you build. 👍Race it, break it, fix it, repeat!
@El buckeye Nope. No intank pump at all. just the one external. Idk if it was the filter or the pump that held us back but 713 is where we ran out of fuel. so that makes sense on E85 at least. If we ran Q16 with meth injection im sure we could have hit much higher numbers. Or a dual pump setup but I thought that was plenty for a civic anyways. I was getting scared of the motor blowing up at that point because I didn't know how well it was built Unfortunately it croaked shortly after that due to the Darton MID sleeves. Still the most fun in a car I have had. I owned a 40 hot rod with over 1000hp and wasn't as much fun as the civic. cost a 1/5 of of the chevy too.
with a fpr with a 1:1 ratio 100 PSI would be roughly 60 POUNDS OF BOOST ! I May be mistaken but what, ive seen data logging on true 1:1 ratio fpr's is there is a bout a extra pound of pressure per boost psi, so hmm as soon as i get to 50 or more psi ill consider Deatschwerks. highest I got on my twin walbro set up was 45 psi and they did well price to product wise. Deatschwerks seem to work well and are consistent not as dramatic of a loss.
Some manufacturers use 55psi as their base fuel pressure. Those applications I have seen them running upwards of 40lb of boost. So yeah, you want to know what it flows at 100psi so you don't lose flow and run lean.
@@glhomni ironic because I just finished u ppl a turbo ls build 1st ever. OEM pressure is 58 psi! I thought that was a typo but it's not. so yeah I'm dialed in at 58 psi....and plan to run 15 to 20 pounds 30 eventually once a trans that can handle power goes behind the engine.
I've blown 2 of these in a 30 day period, how disappointing. Can't even get a person on a call to replace
DW or walbro?
@@juicyjeff4299 walbro for the win. DW will have you on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck
@@karimowhite Ok lol i just read a walbro rewired is the way to go dont know if i go 255 or 400 for 400whp
@@juicyjeff4299 the 255 could cut it but I would go with the 400. I am around the same HP also.
@@karimowhite Good thanks man and im curious which dw pump was it that failed on you the dw300?
Would one of these work for a 16 Mustang GT with a Vortec Supercharger? I have a JMS bap that's giving my tuner all kinds of hell. At 5000 rpms the gas starts to cut out. With the WD400 would I even need a bap ?
Depending on your horsepower and fuel type the DW400 will support approximately 750whp on E85 and 1000hp on pump gas without a BAP. The kit you would need is part number 9-403-1047.
@@deatschwerks Thank you Sir! Are you saying I can run e 85 and a supercharger without a return style fuel system?
@@FJTabb If you are within that 750/1000 hp mark, yes.Return isn’t required at those power levels, more than that we recommend Return for less complexity.
@@deatschwerks just 93 for now
@@deatschwerks Ordered my pump hopefully I receive it tomorrow. I have a question, the newer models does have a check valve right?
You have tests for aem 340lph? Thats what im using now
I’m hitting 460WHP SAE on the dyno FBO Challenger 6.4 Scatpack, no e85 or Cam yet. I’m going to buying hellcat injectors but i need a fuel pump as well. help?
I have a modified bolt on g37s which pump would you recommend if I plan to go e85
There are a few factors to consider on this. What HP are you trying to make? Any power adders on the vehicle? Any boost?
No way. You mean flow drops off when the relief valve opens? Crazy 🙄 grab a "535" with the higher pressure relief and test...
What is the pricing difference between DW400 and W525?
If only there were a website we could ask questions and compare prices on.
The DW costs around $100 more.
i want to buy this pump for my car i need a 450LPH but i need a inlet ID 11 MM for install holley hydrat matt but they don't have, so it was necessary to buy a Wallbro :(
So what I got from this is if you are running 50 psi or less and use a static fuel pressure regulator don’t buy our product. If you run 50 psi and or use a rising rate fuel pressure regulator buy our products.
Walbro too noisy for my taste. I had DW300 it was already going bad after 10-11 years. I replaced it with another DW300
10-11 years "already" 🤣🤡
Is dw300 good for a daily use in a car
Yes!
For the money you can't beat a walboro
Until you go through 3 of them in 2 years.... They're cheap for a reason.
If you have went through 3 walboro pumps in 2 years you have issues elsewhere.
They are well known for their shitty pressure valves. If you use them up to their higher rated pressure, they don't last. I'm not the only one killing them, and I'll never buy another one. Take a minute and think about how some places mod them before they sell them...
I had not heard of deatschwerks and was always lead to Walbro. I saw them in a few channels and came here. Given flow and engine whine, I am now a DW customer, good job gentlemen.
@@SuperPenishole Lol "SuperPenisHole". Sounds like an intelligent guy... Anyway. A fuelpump isn't meant to run on high pressures over a long period of time. If you run them at 58+ PSI at idle, don't be surprised when they fry. Not to mention how the fuel heats up anyway.
Walbro is better for blower carb engines and EFI guys should use the DW400.
That thing is ear piercing lol
Yeah like seriously who runs a pump like this with 45 pounds of boost.
It makes DW look bad really. With a loaded test in their favor
he runs 40, 70, then 100 psi for both pumps ?
He’s running the fuel pressure at 45psi..... Not boost pressure. SMFH
@@coryswinerton3296 rising rate dude
Cory Swinerton all these comments with no idea
Walbro is still the best deshtworks at it again with the fake info
You just saw a back-to-back comparison between the two. Same settings, same fluid, same power supply, and same fluid. Do the testing yourself!
That pump could be bad or maybe it wasn’t a walbro any company will do anything to its competitors to make them look bad goes for walbro as well
@@samuelgaray6429if you find contrary conditions ill be happy to see them
Wouldnt buy either one
@@ABeans07 why?