Loading for a Wild Cat Cartridge - The Real Gunsmith
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- With his vast hand loading experience Randy has developed and loaded for various Wild Cat Cartridges. Randy talks about his process and gives sound advice for those attempting to develop a wild cat load.
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An absolute wealth of knowledge from this gentleman , I hope he has written a book or will write a book with all his experience and knowledge !……… In the shooting and reloading community this is ( PRICELESS ) .
i been loading 50 years .folks. this man.KNOWS HIS STUFF..LISTEN TO HIM .HE IS A MAN TO TRUST . I LOVE MY WINCHESTER MODEL 70 IN 3006 A.IMPROVED
I could listen to him talk all day about gun stuff
Thanks, how kind! Stay tuned and good shooting!
It’s 1:45am where I am. I’m going into hour #2!
Randy reminds me of my grandfather, Thank you Mr Randy for the no BS instructions. Too many people in my generation try to sale people on crap that people think is cool and forget to learn from those that have spent years learning the craft. And thank you for spending the time away from your family, business and everyday things to give us that want to learn the craft a honest no " Tactical" BS spin. God bless you Sir.
Thank you and God bless you, too, young man!
Just wanted to thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I've lost a great friend who used to teach me about shooting, reloading, and a passion for firearms. His family gave me his most recent build a .338-06. I took my first deer with it this past season and it was a truly emotional experience. Anyway, thank you again for sharing your knowledge and experiences.
We are so sorry for your loss. It it great, though, that you had such a great mentor you can remember fondly and take him with you, so to speak, on your hunts with his rifle.
God bless and thanks for watching!
I recently found your channel and wish i would’ve found it sooner. The knowledge you are passing down is the best kind. The experience factor you have can’t be denied. You sir forgot more than what some experts claim to know.
I love your stance on long range shooting of game.
I just found your videos. I really appreciate all that you share. I've been a reloader for years and am always looking for techniques and good information. I have a benchrest rifle that was my great uncles that I need to do some load development for and this video helps. It's a wildcat my great uncle and his best friend came up with, called a 6mm MC² based on a .284 Winchester.
Learning to reload for extreme accuracy is half of the equation, that's for sure. Thank you sir for your advice on this video.
excellent video--had a bbl action made by a known gunsmith in my area at least twenty years ago in 375-338 and being a very cautious lad i balked on developing loads and put it away, never shot to this day. this info is nice to ponder and pass on to my heir...thanks!
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Randy, I am so grateful to you for your videos. They are the best!
this is a REAL HONEST TEACHER.. LORD I WISH I HAD KNOWN THIS MAN.AS A FRIEND. GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT I COULD HAVE LEARNED. i been loading now 50 years. n know.little compared to this.TEACHER.
Very solid information , well done.. In my 56 years of reloading i have not reloaded for a wildcat ctg until 11 years ago when i bought the first one .. One year later i bought the second wildcat ctg chambering .. In all the adventure took me through 11 different powders and many bullets and 4 years of loading and testing off the bench.. I really enjoyed doing this .. My first wildcat i only had 4 powders listed in one manual and 6 in the second manual .. In 1973 in an issue of the Rifle magazine were the founders who produced this wildcat along with loads they had worked up before hunting season.. Mainly it was their choice of bullet weights and powders they used to hunt big game .. It was fun .. My first wildcat ctg i went on to take 4 deer using it to hunt with .. My second wildcat ctg as of yet i have not hunted with it yet , that is about to change as this year as modern deer opens where i live in about half a week from today and i plan to get out in the field with it ..
I don’t even know what a wild cat is. This guys just make it awesome!!!!! Lol
Thank you for your knowledge. I live in Canada, hope soon that I made significant money and buying a high end rifle from you 😊
Great episode! Hoping to approach my first wildcat soon, this was very easy to understand and enjoyable
So interesting, even though I don't load exotic stuff. I love this channel.
Thank your for sharing. I have a few odd ball wildcats that I am trying to figuring out. I'm and getting close. The ball powder tip will suit me well.
Excellent video! This is the best explanation of how to develop loads for wildcat rounds that I've ever seen. It's also a good idea to play around with the QuickLoad software, but even with QL, the steps you mention in this video are very important. Thank you for all of the great information you provide in your videos.
Very useful information. Thank you Randy.
Thank you for these perfectly executed videos.
Lee will make custom dies. It’s not free but it’s not free having custom dies made anywhere. I have had no trouble with Lee dies outside of trying to use them for something they didn’t intend. Very good products and check with both you might be surprised. They might already offer the Ackley Improved lineup
I just built an old mauser GEW98 into a heavy varmint 219 Donaldson. After forming brass and shooting I should have made it rimless. Anyway I follow The videos methods for loading even though 219 DW has published data
Forster and Whidden will also make you custom sizing dies. I have done this with Forster and have good results to report. They are top notch.
Thank you
I don’t know if you have, but explaining how to make a false shoulder for case forming would be good. Young people don’t read much anymore. I have found fewer yet have experienced mentors. I’m sure you can imagine what I’ve heard and have been asked that seem basic for someone who has studied. I was a young man when I saw men my age and even older shooting parent cases in Akley Improved or even other cartridges in different chambers. The first time I observed this and intervened, I was 23 or 24 years old. I saw a group of people standing around a bench talking and scratching their heads. These men where older than me. Curious, I walked over and just stood there observing. The man stated his rifle was throwing shots all over the place. I looked at his loaded cartridges and fired cases. I very quickly observed this man was firing 270 cartridges in a rifle chambered for 30-06. Even though a 270 is a bit longer than a 30-06 he was doing it. I could t believe it. When I later spoke with my father about this, he related a couple of experiences where he saw men injured at the range. One included the bolt coming back out of the action and severely injuring the mans face. It’s amazing to me the ignorance and lack of taught discipline men have today when it comes to reloading. I know for a fact you’ve heard and seen worse. Thank you for these videos, they are much needed these days.
I wish you all the best. While discussing building,owning, and loading wildcats in his book about rifles , Jack O'Conner said "God, please spare me that ordeal". What happens when on your hunt of a lifetime you get to Africa and discover your 416 458 Lott Ackley improved ammo was sent to Argentina ?
Randy, do you have all these videos on DVD,? If so I would be interested in buying them. If you don't have them on DVD for sale, WHY THE HECK NOT??? I really enjoy listening to you. You have helped me tremendously. Thank you!
No, sorry, I don't. The man that started our video series and worked for us for 18 months or so, before moving on, said other companies he knew of and had worked for had made DVD's and had many in stock, only to sell a trickle of them. So money tied up for years in a product not being moved. IF we could find a way to have them made, on demand, I'd sure consider it. For instance, you wanted a DVD of video x, y and z, ordered and paid, then with a bit of wait [no more than a few weeks to a month, perhaps] have them made and shipped.
Thanks for watching and for your following. We truly appreciate you all!
I was given a 338-378imp with an 8lb jug of 50bmg powder dies and 18 loaded rounds with no data. I was told it shoots 225gr Accubond the best.
Is that the weatherby?
Sir, I am really glad I found your channel. Thanks for sharing with us. I don' have much reloading experience, but have an interest in Redding dies. Which of their dies would you recommend to someone wanting to reload for accurate hunting? I also notice two - four die sets. Which would you recommend? Any reloading wisdom and experience you share will be appreciated. Blessings.
Great info Mr Randy. Folks should check out John Whidden's dies, I use them for all my wild cats and slowly buying them for all my guns, I feel like they are the best dies available.
Hi Randy,
I recently discovered your channel and enjoy your videos as much as anyone here. I learned your ball caliper measurement at the case body base for pressure signs, and keeping expansion below .0005". I'll try this out the next time I load for my 260AI.
Except for the 7 years in the Army MP Corps, I've been an Oregon resident from birth, 1963 vintage, and probably like you and many others, wouldn't want to be anywhere else; but I'm curious if you've hunted big game in Oregon, particularly in one of the coastal units for Roosevelt Elk?
Sir, what do you reckon the real life difference is between the 7mmWSM and the wildcat 7mm/300 win mag , loaded with the heavier 175grn class e.l.d. style long range projectiles. Primary intent being 1500 to 1800 yr style target NOT HUNTING.
Interested in a 300 win mag. Do you have anything on hand? Gerald.
Fantastic, found this as I am looking at purchasing a Type 38 wildcatted to 6.5 - 257 Roberts. Basically from my understanding 257 Roberts necked up to 6.5? Looking for dies of this long absolute wildcat has been hard. Redding has 6.5 x 57 Mauser die set but not sure if they are the same dimensions. I was thinking of this as 257 Roberts is a necked down 7x57 Mauser. Anybody know for sure if this die set will work. I have tons of 257 Roberts brass I can use. Was thinking of cerosafe casting the chamber and sending the measurements to get a custom die if that don't work.
Would the 1/2 thou case head increase also apply to handgun loads?
Can you use water to see how much case capacity a certain case holds
I’m working on a round that I would love to see in a automatic but the original is a rimes case so I weighed the original rimed case on my digital scale and zeroed it to the case weight then filled it with water and found out the weight
Then I took the parent case and started forming it and cutting off the end of my die until it held the same amount of water did I mess up or is that just as good
Great video
How do you go about getting your first case formed to the wildcat chamber to initially check case capacity?
Thank you
Bob, fire a 25-06 in the Ackley Improved chamber with factory or handloaded near to the top load in a loading manual. Good shooting!
Thanks thats great
I have a buddy who has a custom-made 6.5-06 that is a real tack-driver. Any thoughts about this caliber?
Randy what are you thoughts on the .280 Ackley for an elk cartridge?
A good elk cartridge with 160 Nosler Partitions.
Good shooting!
Levi bottelson it will do job. with good 165 to 175.gr.bullet. key is GOOD BULLET..
Thank you sir for sharing ur knowledge.. I plan to start reloading for a 7mm mag using 140 he Berger vld hunting bullets..I'd like to be having it pushing the bullets over 3000 fps. Could you give some advice on where to start on the powder and what kind? My rifle is a Savage model 116 with 1in 9.5 twist and 24 inch barrel..
IMR 7828, start at 65 gr. These are not game bullets, however.
Thanks for watching and may you and yours stay safe and well.
277 wolverine seems most advanced and ready for use by mere barrel changing.
I like better the 358 wssm
Hello Randy excellent video on wildcat cartridges. I'm a novice but good with my hands and quick learner I found a wildcat cartridge design with impressive BC. its a 6.5X40mm here is the
Design and Performance of the 6.5×40
The approach in design of the 6.5×40 is a compact, long-range military cartridge that would not experience any functioning problems in magazine or belt-fed automatic weapons. Adopted the same 0.42 inch case diameter as the 6.8mm SPC together with a case taper and a shoulder angle similar to the 7.62×51. Choosing the 6.5mm caliber and a case length of 1.57 inches to allow the use of long, low drag bullets within the AR platform.
I will be seating a Lapua 6.5/.264mm 144gr bullet onto the case
Randy may I ask of your kind expertise with regards to reforming this case I can get an idea of from the design specifications to use the 6.8 SPC case 0.42 for the diameter as my starting point. What eludes me is what dies to utilize in forming the taper and shoulder angle to that of the 7.62x51 NATO case. I understand the later part I would need to resize the case to 1.57" case length slightly from the 6.8 SPC case length size of 1.667"
In closing, Randy thank you for taking time out to review my inquiry which I have sought high and low no one knows
Hey Randy I have meant to message you sooner than this but I was curious since you are talking about the 25/06, what are your thoughts about elk hunting with it. I do have many other rifles to choose from which they all have taken elk in the past but have not yet taken or let alone hunted elk with my 25/06. Distance would not exceed 350-400 yards. Let me know what you think and what bullet you would recommend.
It will kill elk within its limits but there are better choices. The .270 for one.
Thanks for watching. May you and yours stay safe and well.
In your opinion who makes best ammunition
Would I get my base measurement off the case head from a once fired case or a virgin case? I've measured both and got two different measurements of 1.5 thousands difference between them.
I’m quite sure that he mentioned starting with a properly sized case ( hence a virgin or sized one).
Sir if you have the time i would really like to know your thoughts on a 6PRC or some thing maybe you suggest that would be comparable? Looking to build the hardest hitting 6mm that i can in a short action. 110ish grain bullets give or take. Thanks!!!! enjoy your content and hope all is well
The best 6mm is the 6mm-.284. 100 gr bullets, Sierra, Hornady or Nosler.
Thanks for watching. May you and yours stay well and safe.
i have a custom 6mm284..having problems necking down 7x284 brass. any suggestions. using hornedy.dies
This is Cathy, The Real Gunsmith's Wife: He'd have questions to ask before he'd answer. Email him at randyselby@randyscustomrifles.com, if you would, please.
Thanks for watching and your kind comments.
I am looking into purchasing a 1" micrometer.
Do you prefer blade, ball, or a different style?
Any brand preference for durability and accuracy?
Any ball or blade 1" micrometer that reads 1/10 thousands.
Hello Randy.. If you are taking questions I have one. I inherited a Winchester model 70 economy rifle in .300 Win Mag and some fired Winchester brass. The brass wont chamber in this rifle. I determined that the dimension from the forward edge of the belt to the very rear of the base is just a tad too long. Is there a tool that can machine the forward edge of the case belt back maybe .0005". I believe that is all that is needed. The brass is still in good shape, primer pockets are good. Factory loads chamber just fine. Maybe this brass was subjected to pressures that were a bit excessive. Thank you
You can buy a tool to correct this. A a rule don't try brass in a chamber other than the one it was fired in.
@@TheRealGunsmith Ok good.. Could you point me in the right direction as to what the tool is and where to get one? This brass was fired in this rifle Thanks
Mr. or Mrs. Selby, is that an authentic Indian spear hanging from your fireplace mantle?
Well. This may ruffle some feathers, but it was made my a native American, our son. He is a native of Idaho, as that is where he was born. And that is in America. So he is native American. ;) He started flintknapping when he was 13 years old. He made hundreds of arrowheads, arrows, and some quivers and sold them locally to tourist businesses. At 16 he made a few knives and sent one to A. G. Russell knife company. Got his first order for flintknapped knives, out of obsidian, for 500 knives. From age of 16 till 33 he made knives for Russell's for Men and A. G. Russell Knife catalogs. He made that spear for us when he was 14 or 15. A prized possession.
Thanks for watching and noticing his spear.
A g Russell is in my neck of the woods. Congratulations!!!
I have 700 short action 300wsm that has throat erosion. I want to rebarrel it. I have been watching your videos and you keep going back to 7mm cartridges. My question is for a safe ethical long range hunting rifle would you build a 7wsm or go back with 300wsm or possibly a different wildcat?
Thank you for your honest opinions based on years of experience.
I feel the 7MM WSM is the best of the short mags. To rebarrel with chrome-moly barrel, $650.00 or stainless $675.00. Return ship/ins would apply, cost depending on where you live. A 4% discount if available.
I'd be glad to help if you'd like.
Thanks for watching and good shooting!
@@TheRealGunsmith Thank you for your advice. Your prices seem fair. I like to do machine work for hobby. If I do not end up doing the work myself I will let you know.
Have you, or anyone you know ever wildcatted a 270-08? Is there a reason to? I assume that if it offered anything more than a 7mm-08 (which I already own and adore) that it would already be commercially available.
Thanks for all you do.
It was done about 45 years ago. The marketing was a lot different then. A much greater "need" would have had to have been shown. Now, with some slick marketing, some abracadabra filming and a large budget for marketing, nearly anyone can promote their "new" caliber as the greatest thing since firearms came into existence, making everything else "obsolete".
Wouldn't that be the 8mm 06?
@@jasnonya3005 That would be the 6.5 Creedmore!
A 270 is just a necked down 30-06 sooo
I was also wondering about this combination. Was it just a wild cat at the time? Did it ever get an official designation? Would I have to get dies and reamers made special? Thanks for sharing all your thoughts and knowledge!
What’s your opinion on the 260 Ackley improved
A good cartridge.
Is there a wildcat with 70-85 grain 6mm bullets on a 22-250 ai case
6mm-.250 Ackley Improved.
Thanks for watching!
This isn't rocket science folks. Watch for pressure signs with your reloads and you'll be fine. I started loading for a .22CHeetah mach 1 when I was 18 years old and me and the gun are both still in one peice. Read your reloading manuals and work up carefully and all will be well. If the chronograph starts showing erratic velocities back it off or choose a different powder and start over
my load for rem.700 in 17 rem. is rem.cases, 23.8 grains 2495br.aa powder.cci b.r.primers .4297fps.with div.of 4 fps. on 100 rnds. if u try my load. start with 22.5 gr.powder work up to 23.8..i use berger 25 gr.17cal.
What's the best ackley improved cartridge?
They are all good. I happen to prefer the 25-06 AI and 6.5-06 AI.
Thanks for watching.
What do you think about 6.5 - 06
Excellent deer, sheep and antelope round.
Thanks for watching!
Has anybody done a 50 bmg necked down to 5.56 and shot it just wondering what the ft per second’s would be ?
Totally impractical. I believe it was done to .17 cal.
Thanks for watching.
What about for obsolete cartridges?
Especially now, with the scarcity of any components, the are hard to find and load for.
Thanks for watching!
@@TheRealGunsmith I have a rifle chambered for a long obsolete cartridge and would like to load better than Unique with cast for. Some people online say follow 7.62x54R data for the 8x56R cartridge and Lee’s data for that cartridge is a carbon copy of their 8x57 Mauser data. That data seems a bit under pressure to the point it spits gas in your face when you shoot it. I remember capacity of water was really close to 30-06. I had a load that worked well but it seems as if Accurate changed their 4350.
I like him,but he didn't keep up with times. He's still living in the 70"s.
Again, I like him. But He's behind times.
Keep an open mind,and you'll understand what I'm saying.
Just ask yourself, would you have him or George Gardner build you new rifle. That's what I thought. But its people like him that made people like George Gardner. But I don't like him saying he's still the shit today. Sorry if I offended anyone. But yeah, I like this old man