Bullet Technology - The Real Gunsmith
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- Today Randy talks about bullet technology, using properly constructed bullets for hunting and shows us with cross sectioned bullets from different manufacturers why certain bullets are better than others to effectively and ethically take game. Randy also has examples of bullets recovered from game to show the difference on how proper hunting bullets perform in comparison to match grade target bullets that have become popular "hunting" bullets due to high ballistic coefficients. In Randy's long hunting career, he has experienced the harvesting of game with all sorts of bullets and has gained irreplaceable insight on which bullets work and which ones don't and shouldn't be used for taking game.
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"At some point, people need to control themselves." Possibly the best closing line on all of TH-cam.
Also Randy I shoot extreme long range for fun, I was a sniper in the Army, but even I will not shoot at an animal that is more than 400 or 450 yards away, cause that is about the distance I can guarantee the kill, this is not combat, it is a hunt and being respectful to the wildlife is part of that. Thank You for the honest words you speak.
I agree and do the same, I have let many go by especially if the animal has it's ass end toward me, will not take the shot. This is totally unacceptable.
Firstly thank for ypur service. My brother and father both served. I couldnt agree more. Thank for being real
It dos my heart good to know there are still some ethical hunters out there. Nature has a funny way of giving wildlife resilience. As I've aged, I simply refuse to give any game a distant head start, in case my poi shifted due to winds, or I simply touched off at the wrong time...I'll harvest my game inside 200yds only. Thank you for your service.
Ethics are personal. I was a military sharpshooter in my youth. I won't shoot beyond 50 yds offhand, otherwise a solid rest is required. I won't shoot at a moving animal. I won't shoot at an animal facing fully away beyond 200 yds. I shoot head shots for any animal under 200 yds. Everything else is body out to 400 yds or so. Used to be 600 yds, but I'm older now and, even though I shoot hundreds of rifle rounds at 500 yds, I don't want to have to walk that far and then drag it out.
Lots of times I hunt with what would be considered under-gunned using a .30-30 Winchester, but at 75 yds, it drops moose.
Congratulations to you. That is the right attitude, and the right fact: there's virtually no guarantee past that range -- with the exception that there's no wind, and you've shot from that same setup, under the same atmospheric conditions, with precisely the same load, AND your target is guaranteed to stay still. A 308 at 500 yards takes about 0.6 seconds to get to the target. If your game happens to decide to move just as you break the trigger it can easily move a few FEET in that time.
Just want you to know that you’ve got young guys out here listening to what you have to say, learning a lot!
Thanks Jameson Jordon! We truly appreciate hearing this. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
$$ and expensive equipment/technology does not replace wisdom ,knowledge and experience. such as you have sir.thank you.
Precisely what John Wunder said! Thank you Sir.
These videos are as important today as Townsend Whelen, Jack O'Conner, Elmer Keith writings were in their day. I am amazed at how many young people have never read the graet shooting writers. Do not go another season come and go without watching Randy and studying him closely. If you are less than 50 years old, I implore you to commit this material to memory. You have been sold a load of bunk and told that "you too, can kill your ram at 750 yards!" Randy Selby IS the premier education on TH-cam. Hunt to kill. Do not hunt shoot. Senseless.
New hunters should listen to this! Thank you Randy, this video is gold for all hunters.
I've been binge watching the real gun smiths videos because I can hear the honesty in his voice and the wisdom he is sharing is practical and ethical. As I'm watching I noticed this video was made 4 years ago and I heard him say he was 68 so that would make him 72 now I hope he is alive and well and has many more years to keep sharing his stories and wisdom. Some of us young guys value that more than money. Best of prayers and wishes thank you.
Thank you from The Real Gunsmith and his wife, Cathy. Yes, he is alive and well. Actually, 73 [just difference in timing]. We started our Patreon channel 4 years ago, and made the decision last fall to start, once a month, to share videos from 4 years ago. There will always be exclusive videos on our Patreon channel, but now it is limited to 48 [4 years worth]. We also share photographs of Cathy's of our local area, areas of interest, etc, that can't/won't be shared on YT.
We just felt it would be good to share the information on there with our YT channel, too, after a certain amount of time passed.
The older videos were filmed and produced by a friend that got our channel here and on Patreon started. When he quit to move on to other interests, I took over. Randy plans on doing the videos as long as the Good Lord wills.
We so appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment. God bless!
Is it just me or are these videos like church for elk hunters I could listen to randy all damn day
like talk with my dad or Grandpa to much knowledge very interesting
it does have a religious tone. takes respect for God's creatures a step in the extreme in my opinion BUT there are a lot of city slickers who NEED the lecture to cut through the marketing that they have bought into. And it is so true that you cant make first shot hits at long range without regular practice in the elements & conditions you will be hunting in. But apparently this is not as obvious to some people as it is to us.
Amen to that!!!
Yea they are preaching sessions alright...
This , my friends is youtube gold! Thank you for being "real" .
Like your honesty, integrity and knowledge. And educating the Young hunters.
He’s been known to lie .
I have watched a few of The Real Gunsmith's videos now and have to admit that I really like this guy. A tremendous amount of shooting and hunting wisdom can be gained by being patient (watch the video all the way through) and listening close to what he has to say. Thanks for putting these videos together sir! They will help folks learn the art of shooting sports the right way for generations to come.
Excellent real life experience by Randy - this really is golden advice.
I've stumbled upon Randy's videos, and really am impressed. This is from me, who's rarely impressed by anything!
One shot, one kill from a cold barrel is the only thing that matters.
Hats of to Randy, from this Brit. 👌
Words out of my own mouth. "Shooting game at long range is not hunting." Thank you Sir.
I love what you stand for. I cant remember the last time I sat through 30+ minutes of an entire video with someone talking about one very specific topic. Ive never even hunted but your wisdom is priceless. Keep up the good work.
There are "Hunters" and then there are "Shooters". I grew up in Wyoming as well and consider myself a "Hunter". A hunter uses ALL the tools in his bag in order to successfully take game. From knowing what time to look, to reading wind to knowing how to use the terrain to mask yourself. "Shooters" simply want to use their rangefinder and fancy scope to poke out and hit an animal. Nevermind there may be a creek or valley which may take two hours to traverse....they just want that shot. Seen people like that many times. I've used both Nosler Partitions and Hornady Interlocks with great success on all sorts of game. A "hunter" can ALWAYS get closer in most instances. And by closer I mean inside 500 or so yards. That to me is a pretty reasonable range for almost any purported "big game" round to be both accurate and lethal. Elk do NOT read reloading tables BTW...they DO NOT care about BC or how expensive your scope is. I've probably killed more elk and mule deer using my fixed 6x old Weaver than most have using expensive optics...
Well said. I don't get why people think they need to try shots past 400 yards. Hell, even 400 yards is a long poke! Well done all the way around.
"350"Yrds and under for me. Period. I'm older And wiser. I don't want to walk to the next county. Respect your game and yourself... Safe shooting my friends. Thank you Randy. 🎯
I must say MY GOD MAN!!! I have been watching your videos for some time now and I have to tell you that you are SPOT ON!!!! I have contended with friends and fellow hunters for a long time about "not knowing what wind is doing five hundred yards from where you are shooting from". Logical thought would dictate wind would most definitely be different from where you were shooting from. I've seen wind change two to three different directions between from where you were shooting from to the target. About bullet energies... Once again, you are dead on! I'm seventy one years old and have hunted all my life and experience has taught me the very truths of what you shared here in the video. Just have to say that there is no teacher like good old experience. I'll tell you that what you share on these videos is a great wealth of knowledge and I for one truly appreciate what you share. Keep up the great work that you are doing. I live in northern Arizona and do quite a bit of hunting here but I wish I lived closer to where you are located. You sir are certainly one man I'd truly like to become acquainted with. Thanks again for what you're doing!
You speak the truth my friend! Newer shooters and hunters will find that they can learn a lot if they pay close attention to your teachings. Thank you.
Randy thanks for the video I'm 54 years old started hunting when I was 10 and I have learned more from you about Bullet selection Than anyone I have ever heard
Thanks Richard Flippen! That is my intent. God bless and good shooting!
Every time I watch your videos I learn something that I thought I already knew. My sincerest congratulations for your experience and ease of explaining makes it understandable to everyone.
You should be charging for this excellent advice. Thank you sir from an Australian hunter.
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Good shooting Down Under!
What's the firearms ownership situation down there after the big turn in years ago? How does one big game hunt OZ now? Especially an out of country person.
I love this guy. His opinions are based on experience and observation, and like him I have used the Nosler Partition for many animals. My favorites were the 140grn in the 6.5x55, the 160grn in 7x57 and .280 Rem, and the 200grn in 30'06. Average retained weight was 65%, if I could recover them. I always thought of the Partition as a "no-brainer", just load them up and go hunt.
Would you use the 165gr partition for elk in a 308? I’m trying to narrow down the first couple of boxes to buy for my new 308, but I don’t have experience taking game.
@@latorgator23 I know this is a bit late for you, but I load 165 gr Nosler Accubonds in my 30-06 for elk and moose. I’ve never had to take another shot and I’ve only recovered 1 bullet from 5 elk so far. The one I recovered was through the near side shoulder bone, through the ribs behind it, the lungs, the off side ribs, and was resting behind the off side shoulder blade (after going through). That was a shot at 325 yards and the elk didn’t go anywhere. The Partition work wonderfully as stated in the video, my rifle just liked the bonded Accubonds a bit better. Your 308 win will run them at a good velocity and as long as they shoot well in your rifle, you should be confident in making an ethical kill. I hope your elk season went well!
@@Cool-hand-hunting thx. The Accubonds have shot well. I have a couple boxes left and am getting setup to load my own. Just need to buy some bullets now. No game yet, only took my bow this season for elk.
Some of yall have never listened to an intelligent man trying to help you and it shows
I have a 7 remington sendero 2 with a 91/4 in the barrelThe ammunition I use is the trophy gold vld Berger bullets. I haven't shot a deer or a Wild Hog as of yet. I've hit gallon water jugs at 100,200, 350 yards. The salesperson and other hunters claim my 7 magnum sendero 2 with 168 grain will kill 350 to 450 pound wild Hogs at 300 to 400 hundred yards and the same with deer. I just purchased some more of this ammunition from sportsman's warehouse southhaven, Ms where I purchased the weapon. Sir, Are you saying all the ammunition I have is a waste of money? Please answer asap. Thanks in advance
Barrel, a misspelled word.
Randy, At our annual RMEF banquet in March of this year over 90% of the guns in the raffles and auction were 6.5 Creed. So here we are at a banquet to support ELK and ELK HUNTING and all you heard was how dandy the 6.5CM is for elk hunting. Hornady had a display and video set up for the ELD bullet and the 6.5CM. I have had my local gun shop owner try to get me to buy the Ruger Predator in 6.5CM for elk hunting and I surprised him when a couple days later he called me that I ordered my own gun thru Sportsmans Warehouse, he charges $25 transfer fee. But I ordered a 6.5 Grendel in a Howa 1500 bolt action, 22" heavier bbl than the Ruger, beautiful gun especially for the price and boy is it accurate. I don't hunt elk with it though it's for one of my sons and my wife to use for deer hunting where shots are no more than 200 yards up in the deep woods and draws of southwest Idaho, east of Boise about 50 miles. The rifle doesn't kick at all, has fairly decent numbers for energy but it is NOT an elk gun and never will be. That gun store owner is still harping on me to buy a 6.5CM but that 6.5 Grendel has a specific job (deer/antelope/black bear) but within the limitations of the round. I do have a 7mm WSM that is my long range deer and mid range elk round it's about 100-150fps faster than a regular 7mm Rem Mag but I gotta be different! I also located and ordered and purchased a Remington 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (which they don't make anymore) and another 7mmWSM in a Howa 1500 and a Mossberg 7mmWSM 4 X 4. I really like the 7mm mags and when you load them up with some Barnes 160gr TTSX they can handle anything I hunt in the lower 48. When I was stationed in Alaska at Eielson AFB, near Fairbanks I bought and used a Win 70, Classic Stainless with BOSS in .338 Win Mag loaded with 250 grain Speer Grand Slams or Nosler Partitions (same point of aim). Shot a 38" bull moose up there with the Speer GS 180 yards broadside took out the top of the heart and the bullet was recovered in the off-side hide and looked just like a perfect mushroom like you shot it in ballistic gel. That bull didn't go anywhere. I also shot a spike bull during the Fairbanks North Star Burrogh two week november bow hunt but that's another story!!! Thanks for the GREAT, common sense advice. Hopefully some of the Hail Mary shooters will take it!!!
It's unfortunate that stories like Randy's and Frank Zappa's aren't published more widely. 6.5CM and these "new and improved" rounds are ok for paper or think skinned game and that's it. Went out about a year ago to guide/ help a new hunter. Long story short, I had to put a black bear out of her misery with my 06 after the hunter put 3 6.5CM into it.
Never been said better! You can’t argue with a lifetime of knowledge. Kinda like the 1200 yard milk jug challenge sometimes it take a lot of shots to hit. Of course every once in a while some one gets lucky because everything lined up perfectly but it can’t be done every time. Thanks for the knowledge.
Thank you so very much RS for your terrific life experience and your passing it on to us. The shooting sports market has been lying to us for a few decades now, instructing each new shooting generation with the absolute disgusting wrong knowledge of the entire hunting experience.
THANKS! this is not the normal B.S. you get on youtube. thanks for your time!
Best bullet info on TH-cam. This man talk base of experience and not what others say. Nothing beats experience.
My buddy and I was walking to our stands opening morning. The subject came up about tracking. He said”,I don’t have to worry about it as long as I have you around. I said thanks for the compliment but I don’t like doing it , I would just as soon you shoot straight.An hour later I was tracking his deer.Thank goodness we found him and finished him off. You do some very informative videos.Keep up the good work.I have learned a lot from your experience and I have been hunting, shooting, and relloding for almost 50 years. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR WIFE!!!!!! SHOOT SAFE!!!!!!!
Randy, I am 77 years old and I have had, over the past 50 years, almost all these experiences in shooting medium-to-large game ( including Cape Buffalo) which you describe in this video. I have also collected a lot of bullets and fragments from harvested game which match
Randy, I have also collected a lot of bullets and fragments from harvested game animals up thru Cape Buffalo, over these past 50 years. Ditto! My experiences seem to be exactly like yours. I would be proud to communicate with you and share what we have learned, individually and collectively. If you are interested, please reply to my email or phone me (601)594-7717. Bert
im with you ... ego shots just hurt our reputation....great vid
Some great points here,
1. Get a close as possible to reduce risk factors
2. Don't be blind to the practicality or limitation of a cartridge because of a high ballistic coefficient
3. If you are not practiced and experianced shooting at the attempted distance, do not justifying risking a shot.
4. Keep the effective distance of a catridge in mind and hunt ethically for a swift deadly blow.
5. Using one shot at a closer range and ethical kill is better than using mutiple rounds at distance and inflincting suffering for bragging rights
Well, driving from St. Cloud MN to Chicago, IL. Approximately 7 hour drive give or take.
And, I am starting from video one and working my way through . I suppose I could makes comments on every one, but you would probably get tired and me.
But you hit the nail on the head with technology. I come from a technical field and I have seen it. It can happen in many walks of life.
From a father to a father, it appears you created some ethics with your son. Congratulations. It can be difficult at times.
It also takes a good mother.
Keep up the good work.
Now on to the next.
Chip
Ah, thanks, Chip! Safe driving and Happy Thanksgiving!
Excellent video Randy I am with you 100% on this subject of these extreme long range hunting TV shows. They are miss leading and and total Bull shit.
Not to mention that they dictate what guns should be sold. We now can’t sell 30-06, it’s all 6.5 Creedmoor. I try telling people to go with a 260 Remington but no one wants to hear it, they only trust TV. When they ask me what caliber should they get, I always go through the same sells pitch. If all they want is one gun to shoot from coyotes to elk, I always recommend 30-06 for three reasons. The price, selection and availability of ammo. There’s nothing better than that when all you want is a single rifle. But yet, they want a long range gun and then, they get a cheap set of bases and rings. By now, they can’t afford a good scope. $600.00 rifle with a $50.00 scope and $19.00 bases and rings.
Blake.... LMAO 😂. Me too. Especially people who now want to reload on a 10 minute reloading lesson. I tell them to watch TH-cam because there’s a lot to learn, and all say the videos are too long. BWAHAHAHAHA
@@TimeToBeKind 6.5 Creedmore the fancy new Bullet that already existed in a better form. The 260 rem just didn't sound as cool.
@Blake I call Creedmoor shooters the lemming train.
@@TimeToBeKind I think the 6.5 creedmoor is inherently more accurate than the 260 Remington and a better choice for new shooters.
Great video. Couldn't agree more on hunting strategy. Still hunting and stalking are so much more exciting. Leave long shots as a last resort. I would like to hear more on the bonded bullets.
This mans comments on hunting are spot on. Sniping from 1000yrds and farther is not hunting it's shooting.
I've always had good success with partitions and Barnes TSX/TTSX bullets! Excellent bullets! Much wisdom in this video!
Thanks so much for showing your experience with real hunting bullets that REALLY work and the pretenders , that dont. I learnt a lot. Thanks again.
Listen to this man! He knows about everything worth knowing regards to hunting!! I'm from Sweden 🇸🇪 and many of us Up here knows THE DIFFERENCE between hunting and longrange targeting practice!!! Period!! God bless you Mr Selby and your family! Best regards/Danne.🇸🇪❤️👍
Your videos should be made available to young hunters to teach them ethics and understanding.
If he wasn't so condescending more people would list to him, very good and true information in this video.
Excellent work, you have helped me to understand this wreck that these bullets do. The Nosler Partition in my opinion is a very good bullet, I’ve taken game from deer to moose. The moose was one shot from a Winchester 338 mag 250 gr nos.part.. 160 yards in the neck by the front shoulder and found under the hide on other side.
I sent a 165 Sierra GK into a coyote's chest facing me, and when I skinned it I was ticking my knife against bits of copper and lead just under his skin from his armpits to his hips. I didn't find anything anywhere bigger than a couple grains. I tried a matchking on water filled milk jugs and it basically disintegrated. A deer or elk is worth the 75¢ for a partition or Barnes TTSX.
AMEN, i dont get it, why not spend a bit more and just have a better bullet, why not put every thing in your favor buy using the optimal components
Devin Cook what cartridge and what distance
I shot a coyote a couple years ago at 225yds with a 140gr Amax out of my Savage LRP 6.5cm. I hit her right in the shoulder and she crumpled on the spot. When I got to her I was surprised that there was no exit wound. Then when I skinned her out I only found a couple small pieces of the jacket. The trauma to her body was impressive, the bruising and tissue damage went into the top of the head and clear to the tail. I would say she never felt a thing. This probably sounds like I am defending the creedmoor and match bullets, but it's quite the opposite. A coyote is a small thin skinned animal and the distance was short enough it should not have been a problem to drop her. But to think it would be ethical to use that bullet on big game is not ok. The fact that it never exited a coyote and exploded on it's shoulder is all I needed to see to know it should never be used on a large animal.
I have never enjoyed TH-cam more. This stuff is gold.
I've gotta be honest , I haven't always been a fan of your videos. However, I completely agree with everything that you said in this one and I appreciate you showing what worked and what didnt and why.
It's one thing to hit steel at a grand. It's another to kill an animal ethically at that distance. While the technology has come a long way it cannot make up for shooter error.
After I zero my rifle I never shoot off the bench again. I spend all my time shooting off my sticks, prone and standing. Once I get confidence at that range I'll add in burpies and shoot with an elevated heart rate. Gotta practice and learn how your body and mind react under those conditions so you can draw logical distances for your hunt.
Its nice to find a reason for stuff ive seen. im 19 and have seen hornady interlocs turn into explosive rounds on deer. My dad and are going back to partitions in our 30 cal guns because interlocks did not hold together like they should.
I've been preaching this for years...I also grew up in Wyoming hunting everything from "dirt dogs" to Elk. I shoot a .280Rem using the 160gr Nosler Partition. Usually end up with 80+% retained weight. Although the Sierra's are usually more accurate...the Noslers are much, MUCH more robust. I shoot Sierra's in high power matches but not hunting. I'm also ardently opposed to this new long range sniping fad while shooting at game. I've been shooting long range matches for a couple of decades. I'm a "Master" class distinguished shooter. I KNOW I can shoot 1000yds and even 1200(Palma) with a couple of rifles including a .243. I won't even THINK of shooting at a deer or elk at that range...barely half that...with either my .280Rem or .300WM. Both of which are match accurate, Douglas/Krieger barrels, Timney/Giesele triggers etc... I KNOW how to sling in correctly. I see these morons out there with bipods, super fancy scopes but poor shooting technique go after game and more often than not...MISS or worse, injure. Get them in a 0 wind and they're lucky to hold something resembling an acceptable group. Add in a confused wind, boiling mirage and bad light? No chance...but they'll let one go just because they THINK they're "that" good. Sorry...just get's my goad.
280 Rem and a 160 Nolser Partition, a deadly combo on everything from buck antelope to mature bull elk.
What's a dirt dog ? Never heard that before
Edwin V Prairie dog.
@@Prairie7777 thanks
@takedeadaim; I'm over here in Missouri and I'm using google maps to aim with a .30 30. Your saying I should't be aiming at a Elk in Wyoming!?! How dare you sir.
When this man speaks it reminded me of Jack in Little Big Man; "Sit down here and you might learn sumpthin'. I knowed George Armstrong Custer for what he was, and I knowed the red Indi'n for what he was....".
Randy knows...what he's talking about.
Thank you for your videos that you having been posting on you tube. I am 66 years old and have been reloading ammunition since 1977 and have learned more about reloading and bullet design from your videos in the last few months that I had learned the last 43 years. I am also a 7mm mag fan and have been shooting a Remington 700 that I bought in 1975. You have also made me a believer in Nosler Partition, Nosler Accubond and Barnes bullets.
I have seen scores of Randy's VDOs...I believe this is his best ever.
Thanks, Joseph.
From Cathy, The Real Gunsmith's Wife: You left a comment, a good one, on "Behind the Times" video. Unfortunately, it is not published. You left a link in your message and from being burned too many time with links that led to not very nice sights, I had to make executive call not to allow any links to save not only my eyes and sensibilities but our viewers, as well.
If you want to resubmit it and not use the link in the message, it won't be held for review. You can reference the link, however, just not put the link in the message.
I am sorry for the hassle.
If you can't find it, send me an email cathyselby@randyscustomrifles.com and I'll shoot it back to you, for you to edit.
Thanks so much for your patience, comments and viewing. We appreciate it!
Thank you Randy. I was having a conversation with what I would consider a seasoned hunter about my use of Barnes bullets. Basically I don’t think he understood what I was telling him or he was just set in his ways and wouldn’t admit that barns makes a great bullet for the application. I’m going to show him this video in hopes that you better articulate this point to him.
I truly respect the way you feel about the game whatever it may be that you are hunting. I feel the same.
May God grant you many Years Randy
Outstanding !! I love a man that tells it like it is and how it should be. Been killing deer with my 6.5 Swede for 20 years. Right now I'm using the Nosler Accubond but I rarely shoot past 100 yds. I am very pleased with that bullets performance. If I were ever to go elk hunting, I would feel confident with my 30-06 and a good bonded bullet. I don't see the need for a magnum round cause I'm not shooting past 200yds. Man has got to know his limitations as Randy mentioned in the video.
Brilliant video as your a master of your graft. I so enjoy listening to you, as you speak with great concern for the quarry that you seek. As you leave your ego at home and think unless your 95% sure of a kill you will not take the shot. I felt like a little boy listening to my grandfather speak. It was a pleasure to spend my time and to be schooled by a master of his subject. I wish you a long and happy life to enjoy your hunting? All the very best to you Sir.
My 300 winchester magnums are sighted in at 300 yards with 180 grain Partition bullets.
My 308 and 30/06 are sighted in at 200 yards.
My 30/30 is at 100.
I always let the terrain dictate what I am going to carry, and I ain't gonna shoot at any game animal over 300 yards. I have been over 50 years and I have never had a well placed partition fail when it is well placed and it doesn't matter if it is an elk, Buffalo, or deer or wild hogs. Zero failures. The toughness of the partitions speaks volumes.
I'm 55. I've been hunting since I was 14. I started with a 20ga shotgun on white-tail deer and black bear. I graduated to a .303 Br Lee Enfield at 17. I have shot dozens of white-tail and mule deer, 8 black bear, 5 elk, and 7 moose. In all that time, I have lost three deer (only recovered 2 bullets from the rest), two black bear (both were shot with game kings), one cow moose (I simply couldn't find her and I'm dedicated) to a 165gn CoreLokt bullet that failed to expand but I didn't know that until four days later when I shot a big white-tail buck that should have piled up after he jumped a fence. Instead I tracked him for 5 hours, literally standing over him twice waiting for him to die (it was after dark and I had left my rifle in the truck on one of the trips back and forth. Checked the bullet track, hit a rib where it was supposed to, no expansion but deflected forward, pencilled through the lungs on a fwd angle until it hit the off-shoulder which it shouldn't have hit at all, and then blew back taking half of the offside lung. I'd rather the animals just lie down when I shoot them. That cow was found five days later in a pasture a half-mile from where I shot her. No apparent evidence of death except a bloody mouth. Opened her up, both lungs had minor trauma and what would have been her "on-side" rib was pencilled through, bullet exited between ribs on other side. .30 hole all the way.
Majority of my game has been shot straight through.
Mr. Selby, it's great to gentleman still around that have your kind of wisdom and the gumption to teach come sense the way you do. Thank you.
This information is priceless.
Thank you
Well said Sir. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I agree that much of what we see today is crafty marketing, aimed at bagging market share, not Game.
Excellent video Randy, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have shot most of the bullets you mentioned and of course almost all the factory loads. In my humble opinion the best Hunting bullet I have ever used is the Original Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet (sold by Swift), not the Federal tipped version. Excellent penetration and weight retention. I've used them in 300 Win, and 300 Wby with great results. On smaller deer sized game, I anchored a lot with Speer 100gr Grand Slams in my 6mm Remington too. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
Brutal. I feel like I've been out to the wood shed. And between you and me, I'm ready to go again! This is the kind of stuff that people who have things to sell do not or cannot tell. Ask a salesman what's good, and the answer will always coincide exactly to what's on the shelf. It's hard to learn anything useful that way.
Sir, I don’t know you and have never met you, I’m no where near where you are with the knowledge you posses about reloading bullets you’re just a working encyclopedia on guns and rifles you are absolutely a genius I don’t know as much as you do but I just have a gut instinct that you are truly correct!!!
Thanks for all the videos
Love to hangout and learn and shoot with you
I’ve heard this same story from a friend using the eldx bullet . Solid shot but that bullet must have came apart as the elk was never found . I shot an elk with an eldx and when I opened that animal up the shrapnel was 1/8th of an inch pieces and it managed to hit one lung . This was a 200 grain bullet from my 300wsm at 180 yards . That elk went 500 yards before he piled up in the Timbers . Needless to say I shoot accubonds , terminal ascents , or partitions . Right tool for the job
Spot on. What people also feel to understand at long range is time of flight of a Bullet. At around 800 yards you are getting into 1 second of time flight for the bullet to get there. So you make the perfect shot you called the drop even guess the correct dope of the wind then sent the bullet and when you sent the bullet the animal decides to take one step, now that perfect shot just missed its intended target by over a foot and you have just wounded a majestic animal. Just my 2cents.
Thank you. I know so many that loose deer because they use the wrong bullets. They don't understand physics, and look at me like I am stupid when I tell them their bullets are blowing up and not penetrating. The only reason I learned was through a bad experience, but I got lucky and found the deer. That sent me down the rabbit hole of bullet construction and impact velocity. Hornady even informed me that I shouldn't have been using the bullets I chose for close range woods hunting. That wasn't on the box! Those bullets worked fine until they didn't on the biggest buck of my life to that point. I found him, learned better, and never had another bullet failure.
Should make it mandatory that all new hunters have to watch this video. Excellent
Thank you!
Boy you hit the nail on the head i'm using a Weatherby mark V 30-378 I have a scope that is 5x25 I won't shoot a critter more than 500 yards, you are so right about those thin walled projectiles I lost a bull with the same thing you are talking about with a 7mm so I went to my books and found exactly what you are saying about kinetic energy and bullet drop, wind, temperature I got rid of the other rifles and stayed with what I have no more problem with kills, plus I don't like packing out game at 68 years young.
Glad to see a new video! Good knowledge!
Well said! I'm glad I'm not alone! I've had this same conversation numerous time. Now I'll just hit play! I have been shooting a custom 300 win mag for 30 years. Partitions for a long time. Then the last 20 years I've been shooting Swift Siroccos. I have a fist full of bullets. I too have cut many many bullets in half to see how they are made. And, for all the same reasons you mentioned!
Keep up the good work of telling it like it REALLY is. One more thing I'd like to add to "Long Range" ideology. The flight time from trigger pull to impact. Even at 500 or 600 hundred yards. The elk takes a single step and he is gut shot or worse! The key word you mentioned is "ethics"!
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Mr. Gunsmith, Sir, Your information is gold for all of us, I love your advice and your very wise teachings about hunting, bullets, weapons, etc, I value and really appreciate it and I thank you very much for sharing with us your experience and situation you have been in life, I hope and wish you keep on bringing to all of us your very important advise. Greetings from Anchorage Alaska USA, your always admirer, Dr. Duarte.
This man speaks the truth listen up
I absolutely love the Nosler 168g LR Accubond for 308 . I use a shorter barrel length than a traditional rifles . I use 18" .
I have a 300 yard rule when it comes to game . This ammo works best for me because of my shorter barrel length . I do not hand load . I just buy the factory ammo . Works absolutely perfect for Elk out to 300 yards . The energy is right at 1500 pounds.
Man, that was a good video. I know too many people think their ability is far greater than it actually is. Thanks this video is going to change which bullet I'll be buying from now on. Subscribing right now.
In 1947 John Nosler and his friend both took their moose with one shot using the first dual-core projectile that is the Nosler Partition bullet. No boat-tail and no cutting-edge design mumbo-jumbo. And this video is a testimony that you don't need a boat-tail to stabilize flight over long distances! I have been using this bullet since the 70's and it's all I need. It has torn through the lungs darn near every time I have ever used it broad-side and my animal very seldom takes even 10 steps, because it has the construction to cause the tissue destruction necessary for the humane kill. No high tech we've all been told that we need. Randy, you told exactly what is needed. Practice all the hunting positions and improve shooting. And not on a bench, on your legs, one knee, and with the sling, and tighten up that shooting until you don't miss. Another thing, will technology help you when you are up in the thin air, choking and panting with the blood pounding in your ears and you have to take an immediate shot when all you want to do is take a seat? Altitude hunting is some of the most physically stressful things I've ever done. Practice and use the tried and true tools to get the job done. I love your videos and I just about always agree with your content.
Fantastic video for every hunter. Even real snipers (comment below) hunt ethically, like myself. Thanks for talking about this, again. Never too often.
honest clear words from lots of experience and accepting physics. You show respect for the animals and acknowledge technical and personal limitations. I wish more people would hunt with such an attitude. In Switzerland were only allowed max 200m/220yrs distance for deer an still must have 2000youle.
Finally, someone older than me! I'm 67 grew up hunting as well. I really enjoy your video's, thank you!Totally agree, hunting is getting as close to the game animal, That's what we bragged about. The long shots aren't a big deal, just inhumane. Here the wind can be blowing in the opposite direction 100 yards out or any direction and different speed
Exactly right!! Hunting is getting in close, sniping is just shooting!! Randy knows what he's talking about!!!
But he’s shooting game at 800+!?!? That ain’t getting close and that ain’t hunting !!
@@toddhuff6007at what range is it hunting? I could say that you should have to use a spear and get 20 yards at max to be a real hunter .
Remington Core-Lokt works flawlessly for me for 23 years of hunting now on black bear, mule deer, whitetail, and Elk. "The deadliest mushroom in the woods."
Trevor Gomez problem is the ballistic coefficient is garbage. I shot a book, yes a book with a 270 130 gr8 corelokt. It shed it's jacket so that's another problem with them.
I use core lokt too, or the cheap ass federals, killed elk, deer and antelope.. Funny the dead game didn't know the difference.
Cup and core bullets weren’t a problem until magnums came on the scene from what I can tell.
Make that 24 years now! Just shot a whitetail buck at 262 yards using Core-Lokt in late November.
@Trevor, truth be told same here. I've recovered 3 of them and they mushroomed beautifully and held together,,,, on whitetails. They usually go right through.
My father explained to me decades ago about a solid bullet and an A frame or Partition bullet.
Randy love your input and knowledge .. i reload for my 270 win .. my hunting range is normally under 50 yrds .. but i could do out to 300 on the farm for deer .. .. my last reloads reloads were gamekings SPBT 130 gr at book spec for 2900 fps .. i figure i don't need it hot at max load for my area for a deer .. well i got one last deer season .. my shot ended up way off .. deer turned at the trigger break .. but it walked 4 steps and went down ... when field dressing .. the shot hit in the rear left hind end .. just back of the rib cage .. first few ribs miss .. busted the next 3 or 4 .. skipped a few ribs .. took out a 2 or 3 more ribs .. all up the left side ... bullet ended in the front left shoulder .. no exit .. 20 to 25 yrd shot ... deer went to local processor .. he didn't save the bullet for me .. and i asked GRRR .. the body cavity was just full of dark blood when dressing ... any input is so welcome ...
Excellent review thanks a lot for the time to explain, very thorough
Have used Hornady partitions in many different calibers but began using Randys ammo through my bro-in-law who was his best bud, from when he began and until he sold patent Rights.
I have several 45/ 70 at 405 grains with hard cast lead and titanium tack at back, and glad I bought them.
Damn near had to take out a loan to buy them, but first elk I hit and two buddy's I "loaned" rounds too elk 1 shot close up under 300 yards convinced them, I still have those expanded bullets. and even though design came from his prior R&D were for larger game .
Randy lab is not what most would call a lab, but his lab was in his head.
Do not fire those he built , even 45 or 44 cals in any brand of levers than the Marlin or rugged pistols; windchesr levers junk and have a completely wrong bro twist.
My old twelve hundred yard gong is positioned that from bench to it there are two ridges.
As a pure novice I could drive nails with my 7mm at 300 but 8 or 9 out of 10 times at 1200 were misses.
Money spent on bullet types, powders and grains did not help.
What helped was a bud I invited to come out with me that was once a Marine sniper whose longest "kill" on man was an estimated 700 yards on flat ass terrain with a 308 Remington.
When he came home he bought a 308 Norma mag, not bragging but my 7mm and I could outshoot him prone, and especially off hand, but he was first person who told me about gauging wind speeds, humidity etc.
So we placed " hindicatoors" ( old Finn and Swede immigrant word for gauging soundness of tree, lean, wind direction and speed, and limbe weight in figuring the best lay for when felled.), for very 100 yards, light weight red and orange plastic ribbons, and then 50 yard increments over 600 which was on first ridgeline.
Hint, in military to figure fallout patterns and chemical biological agent dispersion we some times got wind speed and direction in 100 to 3500 meter readings and sometimes the graphs looked like a spiral, wind speed increases, funnel effect, up from btm of gully and may not be same at different heights up the gully.
It still took 2 rifle barrels and a lot of misses and vile obscenities until we could gauge wind speed told at each red ribbons tails in breeze.
You hung jus listen to this guy, he knows his stuff.
The hardest part of searching for truth is getting rid of our own biases.
Wish years ago This guy had been near by , and I am still a novice andblearning.
This is another great video you have shared with us. This has educated me on bullet selection and why. I have been using Nosler for 40 years and still think they are great hunting bullets. I never thought about the target bullets exploding on impact.
Thank you again Randy, as a result of your input.
Thanks for all the great info. Just recently found this channel. I appreciate the simple, but detailed info based on real world use of these bullets.
Glad I found this video. I'm a rifle shooter but never went game shooting, well anything above small game anyway. I was researching the Grizzly Arrows that I wanted to get for my new bow, and it talks about the ethics of how and why it's built the way it is. So that it can pass through shoulders and guarantee the kill at ethical ranges. Anyway it bases it's design on the Forward of Center term, which it utilizes a heavier grain tip and a taper in the design, to create a heavier forward of center to push the arrow through bone and tissue and whatnot. It seems like there is this same principle in the bullets that Mr. Randy was talking about. To increase the weight to continue to push the bullet forward to ensure passage through bone and tissue and whatnot.
I wish to support this effort. Like Ben Jones said, its Church for Us. My grandfather taught me to hunt. I never knew how close I was to success, until I went hunting with my in-laws and shot my first deer. 11 points. I butchered 208 lbs of boned out meat. I realized after a couple more years, that I could smell the scent of a deer. I had to be in the woods, for 3 days, but then I sensed it. As Randy said, getting close, is important for me. The bullets we use must be designed and proven to work in game. Thank you!
I agree with you, Barnes and Swift bullets are the best game bullets made.
I hate to say it like this. But. When someone says something stupid to you. I learn so much. Experience is worth more than any dollar
Beautiful story. Beautiful man.
I celebrate what you are teaching about stalking, tracking, clean and humane kills.
I like the analogy. Anyone who has had target wind flags down a 1,000 yd range and see them pointing in all different directions
Wow! Love these super informative videos. He knows the ropes from A-Z! Thanks Randy.
This is a great video and should be mandatory to watch in hunter education courses. Every shot we take we should be sure it is a killing shot. Every shot should be in the heart lung area of the animal you are hunting, or we should pass on it. I personally would like to see laws that limit rifle shot distances to 500 yards. That is the length of 5 football fields. It is hunting, no target shooting. The privilege to hunt wild game is one we should all honor. Respect the resource, honor the traditions.
I couldn't agree with you more. Nosler Partitions are the bullets that all others are compared to. I guess you could call them the Gold Standard. I've been reloading for over 40 years and the changes and improvements in bullets and powder is incredible.
I load everything from ...223 to .444 Marlin.
You hit the nail right on the head with the Match type bullets. My Buddy went to Colorado during their 3rd season. He hunted a ranch the the crew of Best of the West had hunted earlier that year. The rancher told my Buddy the B of the W guys would NEVER be allowed back. He said there were blood trails going out every trail from the wounded game the Berger bullets didnt kill.
I had Excellent luck with the old Nosler Solid Base bullets before they went to the Ballistic Tips. I shot the 165 grain in my 300 Win Mag. When I loaded the Ballistic Tips for the first time, I was tickled to death. They shot one ragged hole at 100 yes. When I shot a bull elk, I wasn't nearly as tickled. The elk came out of the trees and across a clearing about 150 yds. I shot the only bull right behind the shoulder. He didnt stumble or give any indication he was hit, but they sometimes don't if the shoulder isnt broken. I ran down the hill farther and they came across another clearing and I waited, but the bull never came out of the trees. I walked up and started backtracking the herd. The bull was standing in the trees with his head low blowing bloody bubbles. I shot him in the neck and started to gut him. When I opened up his chest cavity, the inside of the entrance hole was the size of a softball. Only one tiny piece of jacket made it to the off side of the ribcage.
I've told that story a few times complaining about the poor performance, and one smart ass asked me "At what point in the animals death did the bullet fail?" Well, if I had hit the shoulder instead of the ribs, that bull would have gotten away. It would have blown a crater in the muscle of the shoulder but not penetrated into the chest cavity.
Keep up the good work.
Great lesson to be learned here. Knowing what the energy of the bullet should outway the distance one "thinks" they can shoot it accurately. Thank you sir for your videos.
Energy isn’t that important.
Who remembers the Winchester failsafe bullets? Damn those things could punch through a moose shoulder like it was butter. Nice controlled expansion too. I wish they never discontinued those.