Much appreciated. I’m planning to buy a used 997.2 PDF C2S or C4S with 60k-ish miles. This information is very useful. Any other words of wisdom regarding my planned purchase?
first off MOST of those items do not need replacing in 8K miles. Tires, brakes, do not wear out in that time. And all the other crap he did, brake fluid, tranny fluid, drive belt etc also do NOT need replacing after 2 years 8K miles.
He doesn't explain why he had to get new tires, replace the belt, replace the brake fluid in the 2 years he owned it if he only drove 8000 miles in two years? Or is that 8000 miles/year?
It's crazy how much cheaper these cars are when you work on them yourself. I've always taken my Carrera to the dealer but that's because it's still under warranty.
+JP & Co. Hey JP. So true. I am a big fan of your channel. Would you be interested in collaborating? We could possibly it remotely. I'll shoot you a message.
I don’t care about 3800$ savings over a 2y period on a 911. The stamp from the dealer is worth the extra cost, it helps when it comes the time of selling it and on top of that, if anything goes wrong with the maintenance jobs, there is a Porsche warranty.
You are one truly amazing person that explained everything in detail, something that others channels fail to do... we would all love to see you own different cars for 2 years, so you can coach us on what to look out for in the real world. Thanks!
+FIREMANDRE29 I wish as well! That would be awesome, though, I'd be sad parting with certain cars after 2 years. The 997 is a car in want to keep forever. Unfortunately, that might not be possible.
This DIY regimen does allow the regular Joe to enjoy high performance. It appears that the biggest maintenance item is the tires. Those are expensive and if you’ll notice, the tread is quite shallow even when new. So I imagine that a frequent tire change out is just part of the deal if using a 911 as a daily driver. Great video!!
I own a 997 and I only drive it leisurely like once every other week. When you drive like this, there is little or no maintenance. I paid like a big fat annual service fee ($800) to the dealer each year and the car is running fine. Sometimes overthinking makes you lose out. I also own a Lamborghini and at first hesitated about insurance and maintenance but again, you don't want to drive these cars that much anyway and so maintenance is not as bad as you think but insurance for a Lamborghini is very expensive compared to a Porsche which was super cheap as insuring a Toyota if you go with Geico.
Great comments! Yeah, the car stays in great shape as a weekend warrior. I want to eventually daily drive my 911, but I'll need to get a new 911 first.
I'm thinking of getting a Porsche maybe in the next year and I was afraid of cost for maintenance. It isn't as bad as I thought knowing that I will be doing it mostly myself. Thanks man!
As long as you don't mess up anything in the process :). While I've been able to do my own maintenance, there have been times I've been extremely paranoid about doing something incorrectly.
That's not to bad. But it feels weird thinking of it per mile. Imagine throwing $2 out the window per mile you drive. 👀 it might be cheaper to uber everywhere you go
Damn nice and simple and direct the main point. Other youtubers probably they going to talk about what their do for a living, how they make coffee in the morning, show what kind of dogs they have, where and how they walk their pets, going to some random friends then they will start talking about their can maintenances which they only owned for less than a year.
Terrific video. I ran into a cop who bought a Porsche. I think it was a used 924. Who didn't factor in all the costs of ownership. Got rid of it. I liked how you also showed us how much the dealer would have charged for the same job. I assumed you were going to talk about a 2016 or 2017 911. :) Still worth watching.
Thanks for watching Anderson. The 991 is more difficult to work on, so I'd factor that in. You have to remove the rear bumper just to replace the engine air filters. The 991.2 will be even more difficult for sure and you have the turbos to worry about.
Car Fanatic That's what I was thinking. If it were me I'd be taking mine to a tuner or the dealer. :) I think most owners don't have a mechanical background. Not in the least. Having some rudimentary understanding DOES help save a few $.
That's not as much as i thought..not saying it's cheap. but if you're single and don't have any children...that doesn't seem impossible. THank you for taking the time to do this! it was straight to the point!
+wholeNwon the hourly rate is around $180. I guess the service department has a lot of overhead expenses to cover. I doubt much of that goes to the technician.
+wholeNwon the hourly rate is around $180. I guess the service department has a lot of overhead expenses to cover. I doubt much of that goes to the technician.
I suspect that's mostly profit. Now I know why Porsche owners seem to be so willing to bend over at the dealerships; they're taking out their wallets to pay for "service".
I have a friend who owns a shop. Apart from rent, they do have a lot of overhead. Insurance for one. Recycling old fluids/filters, etc. Laundry (you cannot wash the uniforms yourself because of the oil and grease). Continuing education (to keep current with the latest tech as well as maintain your license). That's just the tip of the iceberg. Car Fanatic is right, not much goes to the technician.
I had to replace the battery on mine (2010 997.2S). Cost was ~$180 from the local auto parts store. I did the spark plugs in my garage; the parts cost was baked into the "major service kit" from ECS Tuning ($250-ish) which also included all the filters. The one thing I needed a shop to do was the PDK clutch fluid service which was around $500 at a local indy (6yr/60K interval).
+andy92782 great info. Spark plugs for me was a PITA because my exhaust fasteners were corroded. I made the mistake of stripping some of the bolts, which required me to drill them out. After learning this lesson, I simply over torquing the bolts, which broke them clean off. Enjoy your car! I'd love to see some pictures! You can share them with me at carandtruckfanatic@gmail.
excellent video and information!!! For most Porsche owners, you probably will pay the extra 20% and enjoy your car. Plus unless you are a certified mechanic, while it is often upselling, the dealer may see things that you don't. And if they screw it up, you are covered.
Thank you very much for this video. I was a Corvette guy but I am thinking of getting a Porsche 911 soon. I do my own maintenance too 😀👍 Thanks again bud!
Everything I needed to know delivered in such a concised manner. I am currently looking at the best sports car with the depreciation, maintenance, reliability and purchase price. I heard an early 911 was the best and never was fantastic of them but I came to my senses and you confirming the numbers is a deal maker. Thank you. My Benz is a little more expensive to maintain than a porsche except for tires. By the way, your Ins. is very cheap where do you live? I'm in NYC. Mine is 3x-4x yours.
Why would you need to change the tyres so early? The majority of the cost is due to the tyres i.e. $1400, otherwise it is a very very reasonable running cost, equivalent to a toyota. Such an awesome video, double thumbs up.
bountyhunt so true! Plus he has hundreds of tire choices that may be just as good but way more affordable. Not everyone would replace tires with exactly the same ones that came on the car. Personal example here with me skipping the expensive 20" runflats that came on my car. I have never ever had a flat since living 9 yrs in Florida. So I opted to buy a spare (car didn't come with one) and replace with regular tires of good brand for less than half the price. They last longer, were much quite and my pockets smiled. Ways around things I guess.
bountyhunt Yeah don't really understand why would a single tire cost 350$ (296€) when a normal tire costs only about 120$ (100€) i know sports cars need better tires but 1400$ for the whole set?
@@idkwuisp7626 20 inch high performance wheels are in the lower 400s each. Where do you get them for $120? and why would you spend $100k on a car and buy cheap tires?
My 5 year / 40k Miles ownership of my beloved 997 C2S has cost me 300 US/mo. And 150 US/mo. LOV. It was the CHEAPEST car i've ever Had. Even a GOLF volkswagen Costs more to run.
I wish that every video out there was made by this guy. straight to the point and made it very easy to follow with the little pictures and the final breakdown on the spreadsheet. you should consider starting a TH-cam channel
I'm planning to purchase either a 981 Cayman S or a 991 Carrera S in a few years. I love both cars, so it'll really just depend on what the best deal is at the time. I'm too am a DIYer and maintain all of my cars at home, so the Porsche stealership won't be emptying my wallet. Those parts were actually cheaper than I would expect for a 911. Good info!
These are actually really quite DIY friendly. As long as you do the research and take your time. I changed my clutch on mine, it was not too bad to do. It is also a joy to work on because the parts are all nicly made and it was engineered by people with race connections where cars need to be easy to strip down.
Kudos to you! I haven't quite advanced to dropping transmissions and engines yet. Someday though once I have a fully decked out garage with lift. Thanks for watching. Hope you subscribe for more videos!
Car Fanatic, you don't need a lift to do the engine or transmission on a 911. You just need a flat surface such as a back yard and 4 good stands and a transmission jack. Interestingly the independent garages quoted me the worst prices for the job! I also swapped out my IMS with the pelican parts one. The worst fear for these cars is bore scuffing and oval bores.
This made me curious so I googled. I found "But selling a car here these days is not easy, and even people with expensive models would have to accept low prices because of the new taxes that can be as high as $7,700 a year for cars with very large engines." over here www.nytimes.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/some-greek-victims-of-hard-times-are-left-with-nothing-but-rust.html can someone explain the missing 25k for Greece running costs?
Nice video! The most expensive car is a cheap car. Buy the best car you can cuz getting a cheap one will cost you way more in repairs and deferred maintenance.
+Robbie Herrera agreed! I kind of lucked out that I was able to find a higher mileage car (57k miles) for a bit lower than comparable cars with 30k miles. It ended up being in very good shape and owned by an older gentlemen. These cars can go through wear and tear items quickly depending on driving style.
Very clear and straight to the point video. Couple of remarks. So $15,400 over two year come down to 641$/month or 812$/month if maintenance done at porsche. But being a used car, those numbers can quickly increase if more break downs happen. And being a sport car, it will. I would still look inti leasing a sport car (bmw m3, audi s3), which would cost around 800-1000$ a month (depending your deals) and lease it for 36 months. At least you can drive the shit out of it, and return it after.... I think when looking into a expensive sport car, leasing might be a better option. Yes leasing a porsche 911 would be much more expensive. But performance wise a audi s3 is probably close to your 911 performance...
+Alexis Electric after insurance, registration, tires and whatever maintenance you're responsible for, you're looking at an extra few hundred dollars a month. So, for 3 years, it'll cost you over $40k. When purchasing a car, the biggest expense will be depreciation usually. I prefer to buy used because depreciation amortized over 5+ years is greatly reduced. Let me know what you decide!
Car Fanatic hello and thank you for taking the time to respond. Yes that's true you would have to add those expenses. Good point. Well in 2014 i bought a 2007 vw gti. I bought it used because it was indeed cheaper than you. But after three years, it turns out it wasn't the best investment of my life lol. I had numerous issues and it cost me a lot. Over 3 years i probably lost 12k and put 20km on it. I don't keep a good memory of it. I bought a 2005 camry because i had to reconnect with the word 'reliability'. Although i'm already getting bored. So i'm looking into different options: cayman is one. But i'm just not ready to go through issues again. I know the car will cost money, i just don't have time to do it myself, and no time to bring to the service.... Ideally would be to buy a 3-4y old car and get a damn porsch warranty. Fixing cost are expensive.
It's great doing it all yourself. The downside is when you come to sell it you have no service history and this could mean a substantial drop in what you get back. Offset that against what you saved in maintenence and you may find you haven't saved a great deal afterall....
Car Fanatic I agree with you. If I bought a car i don't care who services the car as long as it's done. However a lot of enthusiasts look for that all important stamp in the book. Each to his own i suppose.
Keep your receipts and you're good. Actaully a alot of enthusiasts will prefer someone who does it DIY because DIY is usually much better than a dealer. You know if the guy DIY and love his car he did it right and all and gave that extra attention.
TheMidnightNarwhal I agree. But at the same time there are people who don't look after their cars and present bogus receipts and false papers, even put the mileage back! At least with a stamp from reputed technicians and dealers there is reasonable documented proof of work, and mileage status. And this all adds to the future value of the car. Now don't get me wrong. I can see advantages in both. But I think if anyone is honest, you would rather buy your next supercar ferrari with full documented service history rather than a car with no history but a folder full of face value receipts. Just my opinion.
That's actually not too bad at all aside from that Cali registration, that's horrible!! And I had forgotten about that dang spark plug job, no easy task but still, all in all not too bad. Coming from 3 AMG Mercs in a row followed by a Range Rover Sport s/c, this is right on par with them. Great video!
i wish there more vids like this , now before they tell you anything they will vlog the whole day and im like , i ddnt click this vid to see your life in a day wtf. anyway im lookin on gettin one and thats not bad at all for maintaining a luxury car. thanks!
And that's just general maintenance with no mechanical faults. It's not for me if that's the case. Do you really think deprecation is that bad? I thought the 997 and Porsches in general hold their value very well. When I look at 981 prices they barely moved in 2 years. I was thinking perhaps $1500 a year.
DIY always saves money but now there are missing service records at key interval servicing times. So save money in the short term and risk having it affect you on the long term if you sell it. Tough choice if you really consider the records issue
+Geoffrey Dapper service records help, but you will not usually recover what you spent on dealership maintenance when you go to resale. Resale is lately determined by vehicle condition, accident history, miles, options, and number of owners. A thorough P PPI can help reveal whether a vehicle was properly maintained.
Car Fanatic true. It's all relative but sometimes those papers can bring reassurance to the first time sports car buyer or the like. I know that topic of servicing at the dealer was mentioned in a SmokingTire episode. Well if you ever consider parting ways with the Porsche- do contact me!
That's a lot of money just to rent a lift. I did my coils and plugs on my 996 without even lifting the car. And the plugs i got were NGK Platinums, $20 total.
fantastic video - no bs, to the point, real numbers. Do you still own this vehicle? If you do, perhaps an updated video with costs since it would have now been another 4 years?
Sure. Records help. But for every additional $1 you spend on maintenance at a dealer, you will only recoup a fraction of that. So, I'd rather save my money, learn about my car, and do the job correctly. Thanks for watching!
Great review but in Europe the DIY option is actually not an option if you are planning on selling your car afterwards. If you miss a maintenance visit or if it does not bear the Porsche stamp good luck with the resale.
Just get a PPI and avoid cars that have been in accidents. Try to avoid the 2005 997s if possible since these tended to have more IMS issues. The two big issues to look out for are IMS & bore scoring (especially if a vehicle has spent a lot of time in a cold climate). Good luck!
Enjoyed your video and analysis. The delta cost per mile is probably smaller when you take into consideration your time and investment in tools that will be used to do a specific task. I give you credit for undertaking these repairs and service.
Good point. I didn't factor that in because everyone's time is worth something different. Also, for people who enjoy working on cars, it's something they'd do anyway vs. other activities. Thanks for watching!
It’s called “bait and switch” by the politicians. They pass a law to increase registration/fuel taxes, etc. only to then take those increased funds and use them on ineffective and illogically conceived social programs... it just happened this last year, again.
Still shopping for that well-loved one owner Porsche, any model will do. For a brand that seems to crave/demand loyalty, I see mainly multiple-owner Porsches over only 40,000 miles. Or does the expense and trouble of owning a Porsche quickly wear off?
Wow, cheap oil change. Mine runs 250.00 just for supplies. It is an air cooled "77" that takes 0-60wt @ $15 per litre and 13 are needed. Good info in the clip.
Fortunately or unfortunately all the items you listed you need to do with every car, insurance tires, batteries, all that. I too drive a 911. I never visit the dealer...just too high. Some of the items you listed may not be due again for three to four years. I personally have not found the 911 to exceed the maintenance costs of any other high end German car. At some point the depreciation will stop But, some other issues will surface-clutch, IMS bearing depending on your 997's year. But, its' all worth it.
+Ken Shirk agreed! Porsche maintenance is like a normal car except parts are very expensive. So are mistakes which makes it important to find a good mechanic.
hi, I recently bought a 20k mile car. instead of going to dealership with their exorbitant inspection price tag (mine is Lexus, still cheaper than some of the German counterparts), would you recommend going to a mechanic shop and have it inspected thoroughly? and any general advice on how to maintain a car? how do you know when things need to be changed out BEFORE they break on you? (before this i drove a Camry for years, never had to worry about a thing, besides, tires and engine oil).
Im getting ready to purchase a 2007 Carerra..4s awd. red..conv...manual 6spd..black leather..and only 10k miles!! I know the owner too. the car has been driven very little..if any at all..in the past 4 years. Im getting the car for close to nothing. should I take it to thr dealership for a complete..full service???
+2500HDjeff you should definitely get a PPI first. Servicing will depend on what has been done. If maintenance hasn't been maintained, you should get all new fluids, tires, filters, etc.
Great video! I just subscribed! I’m considering buying a new Cayenne. Maybe a base 911? I’m in San Diego where the weather is great. What part of California are you in? Thank you for sharing.
Nice video, thanks for the detail. I might factor in opportunity cost of lost earnings (assuming this is a second car) if the cash to buy the car could have been invested.
+Brian Lock it depends on what you're comparing the purchase to. If it's another car, then you could include the opportunity costs associated with the price difference. Ultimately though, cars are terrible investments. But hey, we have to enjoy life to some extent. It was a trade off I was willing to make.
Good inf! 1. Were those #s excepted or surprising? 2. Worth it and would you do it again? What if you had gone with a 997.1 and upgraded th IMS? Would your running costs have been less with less depreciation? Thanks.
+sungod1976 1. I had budgeted $2k/year on average for maintenance and knew the car would depreciate. 2. Yes, I'd do it again, but I would have waited another year or two for prices to fall. 3. Depreciation generally decreases with vehicle age, so yes. Maintenance cost differences are negligible unless you run into engine issues. The 997.2 engine seems to be more problem free.
I used to work at a Porsche dealer at age 19 I'm about to turn 21 soon. I own a 1987 944 turbo but my dream is to own a 991 gts. But I'm extremely discouraged. I'm going to school go trying and be a wind technician because it pays good but at the same time I feel like I will never be able afford a 911 considering the cost it's self and all the things you mentioned. How did you set your self up to be able to own this. Where did you start?
+unothedestroyerG56 Thanks for the question. I'd say to focus on your career and building financial stability first. Cars are money pits and cause you to lose sight of more important things like family, experiences, etc. You're still young. I studied engineering, served as an officer in the military, went to grad school, and am now fortunate enough to have a good job. I'm considerably older than you and never purchased a car until I was in my late 20s. So, just be patient, think big (ie: its more than just having a nice car) and plan for the long term.
My guess is a 2006/2007 porsche would need even more maintenance. Also, using it as an everyday car would be costly. Might have to resign my porsche dreams for now..
Maintenance on the 997.1 isn't too bad. Routine maintenance is very affordable. Consumables (brakes, tires, clutch, etc) are expensive because of parts and specialized labor. If you're somewhat handy with a wrench, you can save a lot of money.
That's a lot of stuff to do to a car in 2 years. How many miles do you put on it per year and how much did it have when you got it? I've had a cayenne S for 6 years and a 991 911 s for 2 years nd haven't had to do anything but yearly maintenance and tires when applicable. Great breakdown though!
+Car Fanatic $52k sounds like a good deal, she's beautiful! It's great to see you know how to appreciate such nice car. One day I'll drive a 911 as well :-)
@@CarFanatic Reading this comment in 2022 and thinking you could probably sell your 911 now, for more $$ than what you paid for it! I'm currently debating getting a 911 vs. Mustang, Stinger, Mx5, etc.... but also thinking maybe I should wait for prices to come back to earth 🤷♂️🤣
i wish i knew you so you can show me how to do these self maintenance work. Are there schools you recommend that would teach me how to do these before I buy my 911? Otherwise, I may need to pass on the purchase. Can you do vlogs to teach us how to do these maintenance? Is this too much to ask for? Thanks so much.
Good video, thanks man! My plans are to buy a 997.2 in the near future and this kind of info is very helpful to give me a ballpark figure on the maintenance. I find it comical to see an expensive car on the road and notice that it has bald tires on it. This leads me to think that the owner bought the car without factoring in the cost to keep it running as it was engineered to do. Ignorance at its finest. One thing I noticed is CA. Insurance costs you $1200 a year. That me be on the high side as it appears that you are younger than your average Porsche driver, and gas in CA. is higher there than most other states. After living in LA for 21 years, I’m well aware!
Yeah, you could change your oil every 1000 miles, too. At some point the ROI is a wash. Just seems that considering all that great engineering and workmanship, Porsches are pretty delicate creatures.
+jason - oh and as an aside, regarding your handwashing comment: www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/science/fda-bans-sale-of-many-antibacterial-soaps-saying-risks-outweigh-benefits.html
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Much appreciated. I’m planning to buy a used 997.2 PDF C2S or C4S with 60k-ish miles. This information is very useful. Any other words of wisdom regarding my planned purchase?
In 3 minutes you manage to give all the information one needs to make their choice. Thank you very much
+Shide thanks! Let me know if there's something else you'd like to see
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If you don't consider depreciation, it is roughly 7000 murican dallas for 2 years.
first off MOST of those items do not need replacing in 8K miles. Tires, brakes, do not wear out in that time. And all the other crap he did, brake fluid, tranny fluid, drive belt etc also do NOT need replacing after 2 years 8K miles.
It's actually been very cheap. Minus the brakes and tires, regular maintenance was only a around $300.
i always like when someone gets straight to the point in youtube content. thumbs up for this and for the content.
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Dude. You're a beast what an awesomely detailed video
Thanks for the compliment and watching!
Car Fanatic why didnt you get a mustang gt instead?
He doesn't explain why he had to get new tires, replace the belt, replace the brake fluid in the 2 years he owned it if he only drove 8000 miles in two years? Or is that 8000 miles/year?
It's crazy how much cheaper these cars are when you work on them yourself. I've always taken my Carrera to the dealer but that's because it's still under warranty.
+JP & Co. Hey JP. So true. I am a big fan of your channel. Would you be interested in collaborating? We could possibly it remotely. I'll shoot you a message.
I don’t care about 3800$ savings over a 2y period on a 911. The stamp from the dealer is worth the extra cost, it helps when it comes the time of selling it and on top of that, if anything goes wrong with the maintenance jobs, there is a Porsche warranty.
@@CarFanatic so every porsche 911 is a carrera? ?
Thank you for the accuracy, literally it doesn't get better than this video.
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
You are one truly amazing person that explained everything in detail, something that others channels fail to do... we would all love to see you own different cars for 2 years, so you can coach us on what to look out for in the real world. Thanks!
+FIREMANDRE29 I wish as well! That would be awesome, though, I'd be sad parting with certain cars after 2 years. The 997 is a car in want to keep forever. Unfortunately, that might not be possible.
Straight forward and detailed af. This is the type of video I didn't know I was looking for. Liked, saved, and subbed.
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This DIY regimen does allow the regular Joe to enjoy high performance. It appears that the biggest maintenance item is the tires. Those are expensive and if you’ll notice, the tread is quite shallow even when new. So I imagine that a frequent tire change out is just part of the deal if using a 911 as a daily driver. Great video!!
I own a 997 and I only drive it leisurely like once every other week. When you drive like this, there is little or no maintenance. I paid like a big fat annual service fee ($800) to the dealer each year and the car is running fine. Sometimes overthinking makes you lose out. I also own a Lamborghini and at first hesitated about insurance and maintenance but again, you don't want to drive these cars that much anyway and so maintenance is not as bad as you think but insurance for a Lamborghini is very expensive compared to a Porsche which was super cheap as insuring a Toyota if you go with Geico.
Great comments! Yeah, the car stays in great shape as a weekend warrior. I want to eventually daily drive my 911, but I'll need to get a new 911 first.
I'm thinking of getting a Porsche maybe in the next year and I was afraid of cost for maintenance. It isn't as bad as I thought knowing that I will be doing it mostly myself. Thanks man!
As long as you don't mess up anything in the process :). While I've been able to do my own maintenance, there have been times I've been extremely paranoid about doing something incorrectly.
This video was excellent, you even took depreciation into consideration. Good on you man.
Thank you! I'm thinking about making a video on better things people can spend there money on. Would this topic be of interest to you?
I don't think it's a bad idea. I'll subscribe and see what you come up with.
You must be an accountant, lol. Great video btw!
That's not to bad. But it feels weird thinking of it per mile. Imagine throwing $2 out the window per mile you drive. 👀 it might be cheaper to uber everywhere you go
No intro no bullshit no ranting, straight to the point. I like it.
+Joseph Bridges thanks Joseph! Hope you subscribe!
You’re the man! I’ve been looking for a video like this for the last couple days. You nailed it!
Damn nice and simple and direct the main point. Other youtubers probably they going to talk about what their do for a living, how they make coffee in the morning, show what kind of dogs they have, where and how they walk their pets, going to some random friends then they will start talking about their can maintenances which they only owned for less than a year.
Terrific video. I ran into a cop who bought a Porsche. I think it was a used 924. Who didn't factor in all the costs of ownership. Got rid of it.
I liked how you also showed us how much the dealer would have charged for the same job.
I assumed you were going to talk about a 2016 or 2017 911. :) Still worth watching.
Thanks for watching Anderson. The 991 is more difficult to work on, so I'd factor that in. You have to remove the rear bumper just to replace the engine air filters. The 991.2 will be even more difficult for sure and you have the turbos to worry about.
Car Fanatic That's what I was thinking. If it were me I'd be taking mine to a tuner or the dealer. :) I think most owners don't have a mechanical background. Not in the least. Having some rudimentary understanding DOES help save a few $.
That's not as much as i thought..not saying it's cheap. but if you're single and don't have any children...that doesn't seem impossible. THank you for taking the time to do this! it was straight to the point!
Had a buddy who managed a Porsche dealership. As your numbers showed, "service" was VERY profitable.
+wholeNwon the hourly rate is around $180. I guess the service department has a lot of overhead expenses to cover. I doubt much of that goes to the technician.
+wholeNwon the hourly rate is around $180. I guess the service department has a lot of overhead expenses to cover. I doubt much of that goes to the technician.
I suspect that's mostly profit. Now I know why Porsche owners seem to be so willing to bend over at the dealerships; they're taking out their wallets to pay for "service".
I have a friend who owns a shop. Apart from rent, they do have a lot of overhead. Insurance for one. Recycling old fluids/filters, etc. Laundry (you cannot wash the uniforms yourself because of the oil and grease). Continuing education (to keep current with the latest tech as well as maintain your license). That's just the tip of the iceberg. Car Fanatic is right, not much goes to the technician.
Great video. No fluff. Just what I needed.
I had to replace the battery on mine (2010 997.2S). Cost was ~$180 from the local auto parts store. I did the spark plugs in my garage; the parts cost was baked into the "major service kit" from ECS Tuning ($250-ish) which also included all the filters. The one thing I needed a shop to do was the PDK clutch fluid service which was around $500 at a local indy (6yr/60K interval).
+andy92782 great info. Spark plugs for me was a PITA because my exhaust fasteners were corroded. I made the mistake of stripping some of the bolts, which required me to drill them out. After learning this lesson, I simply over torquing the bolts, which broke them clean off. Enjoy your car! I'd love to see some pictures! You can share them with me at carandtruckfanatic@gmail.
excellent video and information!!! For most Porsche owners, you probably will pay the extra 20% and enjoy your car. Plus unless you are a certified mechanic, while it is often upselling, the dealer may see things that you don't. And if they screw it up, you are covered.
Great video man, no beating around the bush and everything was explained in great detail in just 3 minutes, thumbs up and subbed!! :)
Thanks Juan!
Thank you very much for this video. I was a Corvette guy but I am thinking of getting a Porsche 911 soon. I do my own maintenance too 😀👍 Thanks again bud!
+Entjik Jeffrie no problem! Enjoy. You'll love it.
Everything I needed to know delivered in such a concised manner. I am currently looking at the best sports car with the depreciation, maintenance, reliability and purchase price. I heard an early 911 was the best and never was fantastic of them but I came to my senses and you confirming the numbers is a deal maker. Thank you. My Benz is a little more expensive to maintain than a porsche except for tires.
By the way, your Ins. is very cheap where do you live? I'm in NYC. Mine is 3x-4x yours.
You did a great job, thank you. I like how clear and succinct you were.
Why would you need to change the tyres so early? The majority of the cost is due to the tyres i.e. $1400, otherwise it is a very very reasonable running cost, equivalent to a toyota. Such an awesome video, double thumbs up.
bountyhunt so true! Plus he has hundreds of tire choices that may be just as good but way more affordable. Not everyone would replace tires with exactly the same ones that came on the car. Personal example here with me skipping the expensive 20" runflats that came on my car. I have never ever had a flat since living 9 yrs in Florida. So I opted to buy a spare (car didn't come with one) and replace with regular tires of good brand for less than half the price. They last longer, were much quite and my pockets smiled. Ways around things I guess.
bountyhunt Yeah don't really understand why would a single tire cost 350$ (296€) when a normal tire costs only about 120$ (100€) i know sports cars need better tires but 1400$ for the whole set?
Pasi Sallinen that’s standard for high performance tires
@@idkwuisp7626 20 inch high performance wheels are in the lower 400s each. Where do you get them for $120? and why would you spend $100k on a car and buy cheap tires?
@@st3ppenwolf 100€ is a pretty normal price for normal tires but i guess sports cars need tires that each costs 4x more
My 5 year / 40k Miles ownership of my beloved 997 C2S has cost me 300 US/mo. And 150 US/mo. LOV. It was the CHEAPEST car i've ever Had. Even a GOLF volkswagen Costs more to run.
+Gusseisern awesome!! That's the kind of stuff I want to hear!
I wish that every video out there was made by this guy. straight to the point and made it very easy to follow with the little pictures and the final breakdown on the spreadsheet.
you should consider starting a TH-cam channel
Thank you for watching. I actually do have more videos. Check out my channel and subscribe!
I'm planning to purchase either a 981 Cayman S or a 991 Carrera S in a few years. I love both cars, so it'll really just depend on what the best deal is at the time. I'm too am a DIYer and maintain all of my cars at home, so the Porsche stealership won't be emptying my wallet. Those parts were actually cheaper than I would expect for a 911. Good info!
The essential and nothing more. Pretty efficient, very good job.
That break down was more than I needed, thanks!
Great piece of information there, concise and to the point. Very helpful, thanks a lot.
Very useful information here. Well done.
To the point, with pics, no BS drive around talking nonsense.. great video!
These are actually really quite DIY friendly. As long as you do the research and take your time. I changed my clutch on mine, it was not too bad to do. It is also a joy to work on because the parts are all nicly made and it was engineered by people with race connections where cars need to be easy to strip down.
Kudos to you! I haven't quite advanced to dropping transmissions and engines yet. Someday though once I have a fully decked out garage with lift. Thanks for watching. Hope you subscribe for more videos!
Car Fanatic, you don't need a lift to do the engine or transmission on a 911. You just need a flat surface such as a back yard and 4 good stands and a transmission jack. Interestingly the independent garages quoted me the worst prices for the job! I also swapped out my IMS with the pelican parts one. The worst fear for these cars is bore scuffing and oval bores.
Thanks! Your videos are always short and informative.
Simple and easy vid about the maintenance cost great
nothing broke, just maintenance. nice
When you're supposed to go out golfing today but last minute, decide to make a car video instead. Lol :D
Your numbers are spot on!
Here in Greece such car would cost you around 50 k euros a year.The taxeson cars are crazy ,some can go up to 70 a year
Insane! Thanks for the info!
This made me curious so I googled. I found "But selling a car here these days is not easy, and even people with expensive models would have to accept low prices because of the new taxes that can be as high as $7,700 a year for cars with very large engines." over here www.nytimes.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/some-greek-victims-of-hard-times-are-left-with-nothing-but-rust.html can someone explain the missing 25k for Greece running costs?
sounds like a great way for the government to take cars from working class people. along with a bad economy, how are people there surviving?
Wow dude, thank you for the concise to the point video. So much useful information in less than 3 minutes.
Great summary and presentation! well done sir, well done. Give me everything I need to know.
Great summary. Thanks for sharing the details. Helpful for us that have our eye on a Porsche in the future.
Glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching!
great videos man. very concise and easy to follow
+Scope951 thank you!
Nice video! The most expensive car is a cheap car. Buy the best car you can cuz getting a cheap one will cost you way more in repairs and deferred maintenance.
+Robbie Herrera agreed! I kind of lucked out that I was able to find a higher mileage car (57k miles) for a bit lower than comparable cars with 30k miles. It ended up being in very good shape and owned by an older gentlemen. These cars can go through wear and tear items quickly depending on driving style.
Very clear and straight to the point video.
Couple of remarks. So $15,400 over two year come down to 641$/month or 812$/month if maintenance done at porsche.
But being a used car, those numbers can quickly increase if more break downs happen. And being a sport car, it will.
I would still look inti leasing a sport car (bmw m3, audi s3), which would cost around 800-1000$ a month (depending your deals) and lease it for 36 months. At least you can drive the shit out of it, and return it after....
I think when looking into a expensive sport car, leasing might be a better option. Yes leasing a porsche 911 would be much more expensive. But performance wise a audi s3 is probably close to your 911 performance...
+Alexis Electric after insurance, registration, tires and whatever maintenance you're responsible for, you're looking at an extra few hundred dollars a month. So, for 3 years, it'll cost you over $40k. When purchasing a car, the biggest expense will be depreciation usually. I prefer to buy used because depreciation amortized over 5+ years is greatly reduced. Let me know what you decide!
Car Fanatic hello and thank you for taking the time to respond.
Yes that's true you would have to add those expenses. Good point.
Well in 2014 i bought a 2007 vw gti. I bought it used because it was indeed cheaper than you. But after three years, it turns out it wasn't the best investment of my life lol. I had numerous issues and it cost me a lot. Over 3 years i probably lost 12k and put 20km on it. I don't keep a good memory of it. I bought a 2005 camry because i had to reconnect with the word 'reliability'. Although i'm already getting bored. So i'm looking into different options: cayman is one. But i'm just not ready to go through issues again. I know the car will cost money, i just don't have time to do it myself, and no time to bring to the service....
Ideally would be to buy a 3-4y old car and get a damn porsch warranty. Fixing cost are expensive.
RENTING A LIFT TO JUST REPLACE THE SPARKS PLUGS, SCOTTY WARN US ABOUT THIS
I'm going to have you teach me how to my own maintenance. Good detail job!
Thanks! Will do.
Great job man! Love the vid. Thanks for all the little details no one ever tells you.
It's great doing it all yourself. The downside is when you come to sell it you have no service history and this could mean a substantial drop in what you get back. Offset that against what you saved in maintenence and you may find you haven't saved a great deal afterall....
+Sadik Meah I'll venture to guess that I'll still come out ahead. I save all the receipts for parts and document when service was performed.
Car Fanatic
I agree with you. If I bought a car i don't care who services the car as long as it's done. However a lot of enthusiasts look for that all important stamp in the book. Each to his own i suppose.
Keep your receipts and you're good. Actaully a alot of enthusiasts will prefer someone who does it DIY because DIY is usually much better than a dealer. You know if the guy DIY and love his car he did it right and all and gave that extra attention.
TheMidnightNarwhal
I agree. But at the same time there are people who don't look after their cars and present bogus receipts and false papers, even put the mileage back!
At least with a stamp from reputed technicians and dealers there is reasonable documented proof of work, and mileage status. And this all adds to the future value of the car.
Now don't get me wrong. I can see advantages in both. But I think if anyone is honest, you would rather buy your next supercar ferrari with full documented service history rather than a car with no history but a folder full of face value receipts.
Just my opinion.
That's actually not too bad at all aside from that Cali registration, that's horrible!! And I had forgotten about that dang spark plug job, no easy task but still, all in all not too bad. Coming from 3 AMG Mercs in a row followed by a Range Rover Sport s/c, this is right on par with them. Great video!
+Crank Turner thanks crank! I think depreciation aside, the 997 will be much lower maintenance than Range Rover, at least from a repairs perspective.
i wish there more vids like this , now before they tell you anything they will vlog the whole day and im like , i ddnt click this vid to see your life in a day wtf. anyway im lookin on gettin one and thats not bad at all for maintaining a luxury car. thanks!
And that's just general maintenance with no mechanical faults. It's not for me if that's the case. Do you really think deprecation is that bad? I thought the 997 and Porsches in general hold their value very well. When I look at 981 prices they barely moved in 2 years. I was thinking perhaps $1500 a year.
DIY always saves money but now there are missing service records at key interval servicing times. So save money in the short term and risk having it affect you on the long term if you sell it. Tough choice if you really consider the records issue
+Geoffrey Dapper service records help, but you will not usually recover what you spent on dealership maintenance when you go to resale. Resale is lately determined by vehicle condition, accident history, miles, options, and number of owners. A thorough P PPI can help reveal whether a vehicle was properly maintained.
Car Fanatic true. It's all relative but sometimes those papers can bring reassurance to the first time sports car buyer or the like. I know that topic of servicing at the dealer was mentioned in a SmokingTire episode. Well if you ever consider parting ways with the Porsche- do contact me!
That's a lot of money just to rent a lift.
I did my coils and plugs on my 996 without even lifting the car.
And the plugs i got were NGK Platinums, $20 total.
How did you do that?.. de-installation of the excaust?
fantastic video - no bs, to the point, real numbers. Do you still own this vehicle? If you do, perhaps an updated video with costs since it would have now been another 4 years?
Yes, I still have the car. That's a good idea, I will try to do an update soon. Thanks for watching and hope you're subscribed to the channel!
@@CarFanatic Solid. I've subbed and look forward to it
Great and very useful info, Thanks!
here in belgium if you buy a porsche, maintenance in a official shop and original nr in the hood it will be more worth then one without proove...
Sure. Records help. But for every additional $1 you spend on maintenance at a dealer, you will only recoup a fraction of that. So, I'd rather save my money, learn about my car, and do the job correctly. Thanks for watching!
nice car mate,i had the 996 4s and loved it as well ;)
Exactly what I was looking for. Love your brief way of describing it. Thanks!
+Filip Široký thank you for watching!
Great review but in Europe the DIY option is actually not an option if you are planning on selling your car afterwards. If you miss a maintenance visit or if it does not bear the Porsche stamp good luck with the resale.
+jean claude it's a little different in the US. Records help, but people sell cars with records all the time.
Im seeing these 997's floating around for well under 30k now.... The time might come for me to own my first 911!!!!
Just get a PPI and avoid cars that have been in accidents. Try to avoid the 2005 997s if possible since these tended to have more IMS issues. The two big issues to look out for are IMS & bore scoring (especially if a vehicle has spent a lot of time in a cold climate). Good luck!
Enjoyed your video and analysis. The delta cost per mile is probably smaller when you take into consideration your time and investment in tools that will be used to do a specific task. I give you credit for undertaking these repairs and service.
Good point. I didn't factor that in because everyone's time is worth something different. Also, for people who enjoy working on cars, it's something they'd do anyway vs. other activities. Thanks for watching!
Sounds right Dude...thumbs up !
Thank you. Simple and straight to the point!
I need someone to explain the excessive cost of registration in California.
+Robert Handzus California wants all of your money. That's it 😕
People try to avoid the cost by having out of state plates with license plate covers that hide the state name.
Liberal state bottom line.
California is just very expensive. High sales tax, high property tax, they have a state income tax, high gas tax, etc. It is never enough for Cali.
It’s called “bait and switch” by the politicians.
They pass a law to increase registration/fuel taxes, etc. only to then take those increased funds and use them on ineffective and illogically conceived social programs... it just happened this last year, again.
Like your cut to the chase no bullshit style.
Great job man and great car too
Great vid cant wait to get my 997.2 turbo
That's it!! I'm sold! Thanks buddy
Let me know how your purchase goes! This article might also be helpful. ecarguides.com/porsche-911-buyers-guide-should-you-buy-a-used-one/
Still shopping for that well-loved one owner Porsche, any model will do. For a brand that seems to crave/demand loyalty, I see mainly multiple-owner Porsches over only 40,000 miles. Or does the expense and trouble of owning a Porsche quickly wear off?
Wow, cheap oil change. Mine runs 250.00 just for supplies. It is an air cooled "77" that takes 0-60wt @ $15 per litre and 13 are needed. Good info in the clip.
Fortunately or unfortunately all the items you listed you need to do with every car, insurance tires, batteries, all that. I too drive a 911. I never visit the dealer...just too high. Some of the items you listed may not be due again for three to four years. I personally have not found the 911 to exceed the maintenance costs of any other high end German car. At some point the depreciation will stop But, some other issues will surface-clutch, IMS bearing depending on your 997's year. But, its' all worth it.
+Ken Shirk agreed! Porsche maintenance is like a normal car except parts are very expensive. So are mistakes which makes it important to find a good mechanic.
hi, I recently bought a 20k mile car. instead of going to dealership with their exorbitant inspection price tag (mine is Lexus, still cheaper than some of the German counterparts), would you recommend going to a mechanic shop and have it inspected thoroughly? and any general advice on how to maintain a car? how do you know when things need to be changed out BEFORE they break on you? (before this i drove a Camry for years, never had to worry about a thing, besides, tires and engine oil).
Im getting ready to purchase a 2007 Carerra..4s awd. red..conv...manual 6spd..black leather..and only 10k miles!! I know the owner too. the car has been driven very little..if any at all..in the past 4 years. Im getting the car for close to nothing. should I take it to thr dealership for a complete..full service???
+2500HDjeff you should definitely get a PPI first. Servicing will depend on what has been done. If maintenance hasn't been maintained, you should get all new fluids, tires, filters, etc.
Excellent video. Thanks for posting!
Thanks Phil! Hope you subscribe to the channel. I have some new videos coming out soon!
Great looking Car, Sir.
+REICapital thanks!
Thanks man awesome video
+Ricky S thanks for watching Ricky. Let me know if there is anything you'd like to see on the channel.
I own a 2015 macan s. Would be great if you can do the same for it or any other Porsche whenever you can. I am truly amazed by your fantastic detail.
Great video! I just subscribed! I’m considering buying a new Cayenne. Maybe a base 911? I’m in San Diego where the weather is great. What part of California are you in? Thank you for sharing.
Nice video, thanks for the detail. I might factor in opportunity cost of lost earnings (assuming this is a second car) if the cash to buy the car could have been invested.
+Brian Lock it depends on what you're comparing the purchase to. If it's another car, then you could include the opportunity costs associated with the price difference. Ultimately though, cars are terrible investments. But hey, we have to enjoy life to some extent. It was a trade off I was willing to make.
Thank you very much for getting straight to the point!
Good inf! 1. Were those #s excepted or surprising? 2. Worth it and would you do it again? What if you had gone with a 997.1 and upgraded th IMS? Would your running costs have been less with less depreciation? Thanks.
+sungod1976 1. I had budgeted $2k/year on average for maintenance and knew the car would depreciate. 2. Yes, I'd do it again, but I would have waited another year or two for prices to fall. 3. Depreciation generally decreases with vehicle age, so yes. Maintenance cost differences are negligible unless you run into engine issues. The 997.2 engine seems to be more problem free.
Is there anything on these cars that one absolutely has to have the dealer repair? Looks like a genuine DIYer can generally fix most things.
I used to work at a Porsche dealer at age 19 I'm about to turn 21 soon. I own a 1987 944 turbo but my dream is to own a 991 gts. But I'm extremely discouraged. I'm going to school go trying and be a wind technician because it pays good but at the same time I feel like I will never be able afford a 911 considering the cost it's self and all the things you mentioned. How did you set your self up to be able to own this. Where did you start?
+unothedestroyerG56 Thanks for the question. I'd say to focus on your career and building financial stability first. Cars are money pits and cause you to lose sight of more important things like family, experiences, etc. You're still young. I studied engineering, served as an officer in the military, went to grad school, and am now fortunate enough to have a good job. I'm considerably older than you and never purchased a car until I was in my late 20s. So, just be patient, think big (ie: its more than just having a nice car) and plan for the long term.
My guess is a 2006/2007 porsche would need even more maintenance. Also, using it as an everyday car would be costly. Might have to resign my porsche dreams for now..
Maintenance on the 997.1 isn't too bad. Routine maintenance is very affordable. Consumables (brakes, tires, clutch, etc) are expensive because of parts and specialized labor. If you're somewhat handy with a wrench, you can save a lot of money.
are there any common problems with the 997 911>>?? can an owner perform an oil change easily???
+2500HDjeff oil changes aren't too bad. The only major failures I've heard of are bore scoring (more common in colder climates) and the IMS.
I thought the IMS was no longer an issue with the newer 3.6 motor???
That's a lot of stuff to do to a car in 2 years. How many miles do you put on it per year and how much did it have when you got it?
I've had a cayenne S for 6 years and a 991 911 s for 2 years nd haven't had to do anything but yearly maintenance and tires when applicable.
Great breakdown though!
Fantastic video.
Thanks!
do more of these. pleasantly enjoyable informative. AAA+
+rod abmrd will do!
+rod abmrd will do!
I like this video, he goes to the point.
Great video and great content, however I doubt depreciation is only $8k over 2 years. Probably more like 20% over 2 years or around $15k.
+Virtualmix I bought my car for $52k. A year ago, I could have gotten at least $45k for my car.
Car Fanatic wow for not much more you could have bought a 997 Turbo, I assume you bought a very low mileage CS instead? Any reason?
+Car Fanatic $52k sounds like a good deal, she's beautiful! It's great to see you know how to appreciate such nice car. One day I'll drive a 911 as well :-)
@@CarFanatic Reading this comment in 2022 and thinking you could probably sell your 911 now, for more $$ than what you paid for it!
I'm currently debating getting a 911 vs. Mustang, Stinger, Mx5, etc.... but also thinking maybe I should wait for prices to come back to earth 🤷♂️🤣
i wish i knew you so you can show me how to do these self maintenance work. Are there schools you recommend that would teach me how to do these before I buy my 911? Otherwise, I may need to pass on the purchase.
Can you do vlogs to teach us how to do these maintenance? Is this too much to ask for? Thanks so much.
great video!
Im floored by how much the dealership charges!
Good video, thanks man! My plans are to buy a 997.2 in the near future and this kind of info is very helpful to give me a ballpark figure on the maintenance.
I find it comical to see an expensive car on the road and notice that it has bald tires on it. This leads me to think that the owner bought the car without factoring in the cost to keep it running as it was engineered to do. Ignorance at its finest.
One thing I noticed is CA. Insurance costs you $1200 a year. That me be on the high side as it appears that you are younger than your average Porsche driver, and gas in CA. is higher there than most other states. After living in LA for 21 years, I’m well aware!
Wish more videos were like this.
40K for sparkplugs is overkill. As is the brake flush.
Alexi7666 Nobody ever got sick from washing their hands too often... preventive maintenance is the key to longevity.
Yeah, you could change your oil every 1000 miles, too. At some point the ROI is a wash. Just seems that considering all that great engineering and workmanship, Porsches are pretty delicate creatures.
+jason you can't simplify issues like that, it's logical laziness.
+jason - oh and as an aside, regarding your handwashing comment: www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/science/fda-bans-sale-of-many-antibacterial-soaps-saying-risks-outweigh-benefits.html