Bought my first Porsche in June. 991.1 Manual. At my advanced age of 51 I no longer worry about being perfect. DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!!!!! Its a Porsche and that is what is made for. I commute 108 miles five to six days a week and LOVE driving this car. Resale value won't give me a ton of great experiences and memories!! Great channel!
I know this vlog is few years old. But I never understood people that buy a 911 and turns it into a garage queen. All generations of 911s should be your daily commuter. It makes the commute so much enjoyable. If you can't drive it due to any reason, then yes you made the right choice in selling it to a person who will use it like it was meant to be. Btw, do appreciate your other vlogs as a subscriber.
Thanks for the perspective. I just bought a 996 with 75k miles (and a good amount of overdue maintenance needed) for a little more than $13k. At that price point, I'm not afraid to drive it, wrench on it, or park it in crowded parking lots. I AM a little jealous of the guys around town in the newer 997s and 991s, but I've got no payments, and that makes my 'weekend toy' that much more pleasurable...
I bought a 2.7 2008 Cayman and I love it. According to forums : the 2.7 is the more reliable Gen1 cayman. Not saying there is no risk, but definitely less risk as far as the cooling problem goes. I will not be tracking my car for this reason but will wait until I can afford a 981. But planning that to be about 5-10 years from now. My car has 80k miles, 10k of those I have put on with no issues! The flat six howl is amazing with my soul cat back exhaust. The 5 speed is great and has that rifle bolt feel, handles like a dream.. Recently took a buddy 90mph around a sweeper and he was hooked. Now he wants one! No tire squeal whatsoever.. Not sure where the limit is on this mid engine'd masterpiece. Did I mention I only paid 22k for this example? From the Porsche dealership in Atl! And a 3 year warranty on a 10 year old car, damn I love my Porsche 😍
Obi-Wan Kenobi hi, thanks for your post. I too am looking at a 2006 to 2008 Cayman, but worried about IMS. Did that enter into your decision at all? Have if me thinks that it is overblown but the other half thinks that my luck blows and if the IMS is gonna go, it will go during my ownership of the car.
Agreed. My two last "fun" cars kept me constantly worrying about where to park. It's funny how every time I start car shopping again, I always forget that part of ownership.
I totally agree with you on this, I bought a 996 a year ago and drive it hard all the time. I do still worry about things happening to it not because of its value but because I love the car so much but because it's cheaper I don't worry about putting miles on the clock and affecting the value as it wasn't worth much to start with.
Between living in a place with harsh winters and having young kids, having any sports car as an only car was never really an option for me. Over the last 20 years of owning sports cars as second or third cars, my biggest regret with each of them is putting too little mileage on them due to concerns about keeping them "perfect". Unfortunately, I've always ended up keeping them perfect for the next owner! My reason for not driving them has never been operating costs - once you remove the depreciation, Porsches are generally pretty reasonable for ongoing costs. Unless something unusual goes wrong (which always can happen with any car,) the biggest expense is the bi-annual tire replacement. For me it's more the "keeping it clean", avoiding parking lots, or having to pick up the kids after work. With my 2009 Carrera S, I'm trying hard not too worry about that, and to just drive it and enjoy it (at least between April and November). The small rear seats allow me to use it even when picking up the kids, and the frustration from the wear & tear they put on the interior is offset by the smiles on their faces as they tell me to "go faster", and when my 6 year old tells me that this will be his car when he starts driving. I hope you keep your car. Where are you looking at moving to that you won't keep the 911?
speedcanada1 I swear you wrote this for me. I have a brand new Mustang GT with the performance pack sitting in my garage as a fourth car. It won't come out until spring. I'm going to try and keep it so all the miles are mine regardless but you just never know if you'll have to sell it. I really want your car. An ideal garage would have my Mustang and a 997.2 911 right above it on a lift. I really think those 2009-2012 years are going to start appreciating here soon. Those years are so ideal compared to the IMS 996/997.1 and the newer larger 991. Not that the 991 isn't valued, it's just larger and and on a massive depreciation curve due to popping them out like crazy. Those 997.2 cars are unique.
Agreed, my friend. Personally, I found that the 997.2 was the sweet spot in terms of modernity, materials and build quality, and performance. Although the 991 is a beautiful, capable car, the increase in size just decreased the appeal to me as a sports car (although it may make a better commuter car!). I love the new Mustang GTs... I had a convertible as s rental last spring and couldn't get enough of the Coyote engine sound. I drove around in circles downtown just to hear that exhaust! I can definitely see getting one of those used as they head down depreciation street...
997.2 suffer from bore scoring. There are no perfectly reliable cars, let alone 911's. Owning a high performance machine is always a maintanance gamble. Sometimes you luck out, other times you're scraping the savings account.
Like your perspective. I was recently having an internal battle over whenever to get an R8, or a 997 Cayman S. I could fit either in my budget, but I decided to be super logical, and do several test drives. Long story short... I got the Cayman, and I couldn't be happier. As fun as anything I've driven, and it has beautiful lines. long story short. I have fun driving my car everyday, and have extra cash flow, for whatever. I'm with you. Think these things out people.
Btw, you will be back on another 911 soon enuf if not already done so. I'm on my 4th 911 as of this past Saturday. Drove 400+ miles from SF to OC the day I bought it. Pure pleasure.
I just bought a 1999 996 with 76K on it. It has the Tiptronic transmission, it's in beautiful shape and I paid $16,500. I am so happy with it!! Its my first Porsche but the best part is I don't have to worry about it like more expensive cars I've had. I can drive it in the rain, snow, its an everyday driver. It is a blast to drive has very nice power, its small, comfortable and you are literally wrapped in a beautiful leather interior. People are almost giving these cars away for the price of a used honda civic. The fun to price ratio on these is way up there and you can afford it.
thanks for the honest reflection. The more seat time I get in a wide range of cars, the more I find myself appreciating the experience of less expensive cars--Honda s2000, Miata, sub-30k Porsches, etc. As you mentioned, it is somewhat liberating not feeling one has no much money riding on a car, to the point where it is taking away from the ownership experience--e.g., worried about milesage, parking, spirited HPDEs, etc. I am reconsidering my search for a 997.2 and am looking at 996s and Caymans instead. Do you think it's worth paying the premium for a 2009 Cayman to avoid the IMS issue?
The IMS really isn't a big issue on a 2006 and up Cayman. Porsche switched out the IMS bearing with a more reliable one in 2006 I believe. You'd really just be paying for the updated exterior/interior, more refined suspension, and a little more power. You have to ask yourself if that's worth $10k to you. You'll likely pay around $25k for an average mileage 987.1 S vs. $35k for a 987.2 S.
Bore scoring and oil starvation is the bigger issue with the older Caymans. People theorize it's due to heat on one bank of cylinders, and can be prevented by using a GT3 radiator, but I'm not sure that's been definitively proven yet. The M96-7 engines just weren't a good design IMO, and it's probably worth the premium for the 9A1 engine in the 2009+ models which corrected these silly issues. Plus you get the option of having a PDK in '09+.
Paul Eubanks good points. Besides reliability maybe the 2009+ will hold their value, will also be a better car to hold it for a long time. What are they thoughts between the S and non-S 2009?
S and Base are both good, just one is faster/torque-ier than the other. Many people think the base is anemic by comparison, but really it's just because the S is such a monster of a car.
CF, I agree with your advice to keep that car payment down as much as possible or avoid if possible. I just purchased my very first Porsche two months ago. Found a 2007 997 Carrera base model with 95K miles but paid only $24K cash. I saved for a long time and I'm grateful to finally have my dream car. Plus it looks and drives like a $100,000 car! Just got back from a drive up the California Central Coast, so much fun! Also doing a lot of the service myself to save even more thanks to your helpful videos! Thanks. 😊
What a great honest review, some people don't understand the responsibility that comes w/these" toys. But great job, thanks for being honest, keep up the good work!
Hey, thanks for posting these videos. I like the way you use reason & logic to make calculated decissions & seem less like a person who acts on impluse. Had I not previously gotten into motorcycles I may have done the same thing you did. I recently rented a 997 for 3 days & totally get it now. I've always been a car guy but nothing is as rewarding to drive as porsche so far in my experience. I'm hoping to get into a cayman soon to see if thats more practical.
I almost got into a Boxster, a friend talked me out and I got my 2009 Carrera S Cab with 26k miles on it. I now have 62k and it is flawless..... I drive it daily, use the cab 2-3 times a day, and will never get anything else. I got off the lot for a 77k note. That included Platinum Insurance bumper to bumper and that was 3.5k (Yes, you need to get some insurance for any major default). I've owned a 328, 335I, M3, X5 loaded, (2) GTI's (those were fun), and now my sled. Every mile is a smile. And the fasted I have taken my rig is 171 8 West get off at Old Highway 80. Top end is 183, but I don't want to risk being tasered, beaten, and cuffed and stuffed with a reckless driving mark on my record. I keep it light. My thoughts: Don't get a Cayman, get a full blown badboy, find the credit/money and enjoy everyday of your life. If you test drive, you will be freaked out. Don't go with your woman, she will do and say what she can to make sure you either get the sled or get her a ring.... go test drive by yourself and hopefully you have a guy like my experience who let me use Sport Plus.
Agree I drive mine everyday for the last 2 years with no problems, issues or emergency repairs. These cars have to be driven and you have to take care of them like every other car. I found Porsche parts being way cheaper than BMW and much more better car as well.
I missed my older Boxster so much that I almost bought a 2009 C2S Cabrio (No Chrono) as it was an apparent bargain with 12K miles on the clock for $54K at a premier lemon-lot. With the warranty and tax...I was looking at $60K+ out the door. Silver and looked great. However, I think I'd still prefer a Cayman or Boxster for far less money and better weight balance. Does your C2S handle as well as a Cayman??
Oh yes sir!! Its a different driving style and I don't want to sound like "911 this or 911 that" but completely different car. Also I have seen it somewhere that horse power/dollar ration on Cayman put is on the most expensive list in its class.
Great vid - and your "How I afforded vid" - you are one responsible guy, and serving our country. You have a lot of qualities to admire. One other great used car is the 944 S2. Not that cheap to maintain, but few Porsche's are, and the best handling car I've driven to date. Peace.
Yes, totally agreed. Previously owned Miata, SLK320, Boxster and finally settled on a 01. 911 Carrera with hardtop, 69Kmiles for $17K. Have IMS bearing repplaced (just in time, the shaft has some play) for $2K. So for roughly $20K, you could have real fun on a set budget.
Great Advice Could Not Have Said It Better. There are good cars out their. If you monetize your priorities and know what you want, you will know what to look for according to your budget. God Speed
Sounds like you regretted your purchase because you bought a car outside your budget. That's no knock on the 997 though which is an excellent choice for a first Porsche for most people
I bought a 997 last month. It's amazing. There is nothing like it. But, I understand why you're analyzing about it. You're right, it's no daily driver. Thankfully, I have a ram 1500 for that purpose
+singlecellorganism13 I have a review video of the C6 Z06 coming up. Let's just say that I would never trade my car for that. It's extremely powerful, but that's about it. I was not impressed by the driving dynamics and build quality.
Thank you for the video again. I test drove the 2001 996 last week and it was a great car. It was an automatic because I just had a knee ACL reconstruction surgery. I can't really drive manual right now. I am going to wait for my knee to recover before buying the 911 because I love the manual transmission.
Appreciate being reminded of the most important piece here, buy what you can afford, the car will still be fun and you won’t stress the monthly payments. We start to fantasize about these cars like we’re the next Michael Schumacher, meanwhile all we want to do is rip once in a while and not sweat the scuffs and monthly payments on the Car. Sound advice👍🏼
Had an 06 987S. Great car, but my GTS is another level of fun and functionality. The extra 100HP adds a lot of fun. The back seat/storage area are functional for golf clubs and I can finally recline where I want to be. I am growing old with the 997.2 so I could car less about mileage. A little extra walk in a parking lot was done previously so no change there. Ya, if you can’t afford a 997 a 987 s is a great fun compromise, but it IS a compromise from a 911. No remorse for me.
I've got 2008 Porsche Cayenne Turbo. And someday I may start my own blog as well. I had tons of fun driving it, as well as some sad moments - when I had to do some repairs. But the more I drive it, the more I love it! :-) I want to buy Boxter or Panamera for my wife, and 911 for myself some day.
I bought a loaded 2002 996.2 manual tranny C4 garage kept cabriolet last year with 39K miles on it for $25k out the door. The top looks brand new. I think I got a pretty good deal and I'm very happy with my purchase. Had I paid $60k for a used Porsche, I think I'd be obsessing over the same things you are lol.
I hear you. I put 8K miles on my 997.1 911 in 3 years. That was mostly weekend drives and a couple longer road trips. At one point though, I stopped worrying about the miles, and just accepted I would get what I would get for it. Now, I have a 997.2 GT3. I rarely drive it, but I love owning it. I do have a road trip planned in Mar to Amelia Island for the werks reunion and concours, which is a few hours away, and I'm gonna do some mountain road driving this summer. So it will get driven. Saving the miles till then!
I liked your video. Completely agree with you. I am a little "paranoid" so to say about my Porsche as well. I actually have more "consistent" fun in my Mustang GT . . . lol. But them Porsche . . . man oh man. Got to luv them.
Really enjoying your V-logs! I am in the hunt for 996 here in Japan. In Japan, most people uses trains to work and therefore lots of used cars here are with a very low milage and a good condition. I am debating the choice between manual or tiptronic transmission for 996. Can you give me your thoughts on that?
Manual all the way! It's more engaging and has better performance. It's also a simpler transmission, thus easier to fix if something goes wrong. Good luck and keep me posted!
Thanks for you your quick response and advice. I will go for manual. One more question. i know you have driven both 996 and 997. Obviously 997 is more modern with updated technologies and a faster car but in terms of the driving experience (engine sound, tightens of the car, handling, etc), do you think 996 is just as fun to drive or do you recommend 997? I am asking your opinion on this because price diff between 996 and 997 is significant in Japan as well and if 996 is just as fun to drive as 997, I would rather go for 996 and spend extra to upgrade the car with after market some option.
I think that there may be a feeling of complacency among young people that those of us with more miles don't usually share. Things may not always be as good as they are now in our Country and it's prudent to prepare for an uncertain future just in case. One of the most important aspects of that is to be aware of the time-value of money.
I bought my first generation 997 (with upgraded IMS and RMS replaced) back in 2018 for 31K cash. 68k miles. So far I have added 3900 miles no major issues or major expense other than registering the car Modern Key Fob replacement, insurance (997 takes about 70% of my insurance bill), gas and so on and I am in for a running total of 36.5k in just over two years. Currently at $186.56 per ride, $9.23 per mile. Not sure how some measure the cost of ownership but I track everything for this car on a spreadsheet and if I eventually sell it I guess my cost of ownership will be my running total minus my sell price. Not sure if I am tracking this information correctly but that is how I am doing it. I've seen a couple of youtubers leave out insurance/gas in many cases so I could never get a true gauge of what it cost to own these cars. I plan to do a full suspension refresh soon as well as the starter motor/battery cable (hot start symptoms) so that will add a couple of thousand dollars to the above number. Anyway, New tires soon after and buying some Fuchs if I can find them.
Excellent vid! Loved the honest comments. Was really impressed that you did some of your own wrenching on the 997 too (in the other vid). Do you have a background in turning wrenches or did you just self-teach?
I first started working on cars in high school. I don't have any training. Forums, TH-cam videos, etc. have been great resources. However, there is a lot of bad information out there. For Porsche tutorial guides, check out www.pelicanparts.com. While they sell Porsche parts, they also create a lot of great DIY guides. Thanks for watching!
Early non-Mezger liquid cooled Boxsters, 996 and 997 might have issues, in a relatively low percentage of units, related to IMS bearing and cylinder lining cracking. I wouldn't accept any non-Mezger engine powered 996 or 997 in exchange of my 964.
Hitting the nail on the head. I do want a 997.2, but 997.1 prices are much more in my reach right now. I just can't stand the stereo/infotainment system and I'm scared of IMS. I probably should get a nice 997.1, aftermarket head unit and either make sure the IMS has been addressed or calculate that into my price. My automotive fanaticism is slowly fading from what it used to be. Who knows where I'll be when it's time to pull the trigger. Either way, good points. Buy a nice used example if something in your price range and enjoy it. Not worth going into debt/financial hardship over. Live within your means.
Thank you! If you go for a 997.1 with plans to upgrade the IMS bearing and head unit, make sure you can get the car for significantly less than a comparable 997.2. A new IMS and head unit will run you close to $4k. If the price different between comparable 997.1s and 997.2s isn't much more, go with the 997.2 because you'll get refreshed exterior along with a bunch more power. Alternatively, you may be able to find a 997.2 base Carrera for the price of a 997.1 S with new head unit & IMS bearing. The base 997.2 has nearly as much power, better torque curve, and engine seems to be issue free.
Car Fanatic absolutely! I did a little comparison "shopping" after your video not taking into account options. I just looked at MY (.1 vs .2), mileage, and price. There are some deals to be had, but in a lot of cases the price difference wasn't enough to warrant passing on the updated .2, so st the current time it would have to be the right deal. I did find a sweet Atlas Gray (I believe that's the color, same as your basically) C4S with two tone red/black interior with low miles for a very nice price. From initial checks it seems to be the perfect deal. Again, I didn't look at options or maintenance history. So the potential is there. Edit: here it is - www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/163056904 Meteor Gray, not Atlas.
A side note...spending countless hours on the forums, there has developed a consensus in the Porsche forums that the IMS bearing seldom brake in cars that are driven hard, tracked etc. Porsches like to be driven hot every time they are taken out. So if you have the original bearing in your car, there is even more reason to dive it like you stole it.
That's some good advice. I currently have 2013 C63 AMG tuned w/510 bhp. I really want a used Cayman or 997 with something more usable hp.. I will keep the AMG
C63 sounds sweet. One thing I've really come to appreciate about Porsches is the balance. The cars aren't insanely powered, but nicely balance all around performance and driving experience. I think we'll see Caymans and 997s drop a little bit more in price, but they'll bottom out soon. Even a base 997.1 is so much car for the money. I'd have a hard time believing one with average miles in good shape would sell for less than $25k.
wanted to go from a 2013 S4 into a 2015 991. Decided to get a S2000 with 35K miles instead. Best decision of my life. I can shift three gears at red line before I really get into jail territory. That was never possible. Can't agree more with the whole cheaper car is more fun and easier on the mind sentiment. Although a 911 is still in my future... I hope
Good video. I went through similar thought process before getting a 987 Boxster S. $22,000 canadian and I won't mind putting on some miles on it since it's already pretty cheap.
And that's why I own a 996 carrera manual (modified)... I don't care about parking it, front bumper getting rock chipped ect... It still offers the drivers experience with a manual tranny, motor in the back and super light....and with brake, suspension and exhaust upgrades it is a blast... $22k with 67,000 miles
vdubjetta02, I fully agree with your comment. Sometimes it can be a real relief to own something that's fully depreciated and you can enjoy without the worries. Once the IMS/RMS repair is done on the 996/986, you've got an incredibly reliable, somewhat modern, very high-performance automobile. The 996 at under $20K, the 986 under $10K and the NA/NB Miata ~$5K are the sports car bargains of our time.
I'm surprised. Why a Cayman over a 996 911? They're both roughly the same cost and you could probably get more functionality from the +2 seats of the 911.
I prefer the Cayman to the 996 for a few reasons: 1) Porsche really improved their build quality when they moved from the 996/986 to the 997/987. 2) Aesthetics - Cayman has the better interior/exterior in my opinion. 3) Mid-engine balance - I love the rear engine bias of the 911, but a mid-engine car would be better for canyon carving.
This is some pretty good advice. I own a Honda S2000, WRX STi and a Gen 5 Viper GTS. The Viper is a $100K+ car, and the amount of stress associated with its ownership is commensurate with its price tag. I park it a mile away from any mall entrance and still stress when I'm inside.............. But, the enjoyment of driving the car and owning the car outweighs the stress. I guess the bottom line is, it's nice to have a couple other cars to hop into and drive without the worry.............
Nice stable dude! Got a 11' STI, 99' Z3, 08' XKR, and a 02' C4S and I agree. I love driving my Z3 like I just don't care since it has 240,000miles+ on it and is worthless to anyone but me. The other require at least a degree of care and really just worry associated.
hey!! soo... I'm thinking of buying my first Porsche and was wondering if you could do a video showing the differences between a 997 Carrera S and a 997 GTS. I really like what you have done with your 997 think it looks and sounds great. but I hear you going on about the GTS.
+Stephen James hi Stephen. The main differences are: wide body, front aero bumper and lip, standard sports exhaust, center lock wheels and power kit. I will think about making video if time permits. Thanks for the suggestion and hope you're subscribed!
Sounds like a little bit of buyers remorse.... just think, you would not have had this problem by buying those other cars you mentioned...all you'd be thinking of is "why did I not buy a 911!". Do not sell the car...you'll regret it....unless you are looking at another Porsche.
As a porsche owner, there are other great sports cars out there. Some that I would argue are more special. The 911 just happens to be a better overall car than all others except say a corvette. IMO Corvette equals porsche in DD capability, albeit with somewhat less refinement. But hey! You get what you pay for. Point being, if he sells the car o well it's not the end of the world.
this is all true.. for many countries but not for germany.. It makes a huge difference in driving and fun when you switch to cayman from a carrera... (not speaking of the Gt4. Gt4 is great) But at speeds 120mph + you feel the difference. This difference is totally woth it
I bought a 997.2 at around the same time you did and my thoughts are fairly similar - although I love the car, if I had to do it all over again I'm not certain I would have, mainly due to the fact that I don't drive it that much. My other vehicle is a 4th gen Toyota 4Runner which I drive far more often, primarily due to two reasons: 1) My office is located only a couple miles from home so if I take the 997, the engine doesn't even come close to warming up all the way, and 2) I ride a mountain bike regularly and it's just a lot easier to throw the bike into the SUV rather than mount the bike rack on the 997. Funny thing is I actually owned an AP1 S2000 several years ago - that was a great car but I outgrew it. I needed torque. :)
I have an s2000 and find it more than adequate. Sure there are plenty of faster cars and I have considered buying a more expensive, more powerful car, but at the end of the day it's all about how the car makes you feel and the s2000 is everything a sports car should be to me. Plus it's getting rare here in Aus :D
I have an issue as well. I'm retiring in a few years and I have a strict budget to buy two cars, a fun car and a workhorse. I'll either get the 1) Porsche 911 Carrera 4 and Lexus ES or 2) Mazda Miata and the Lexus LS Hybrid. The selfish me wants the Porsche but the practical responsible side is yelling at me to get the Lexus LS. I will pay cash
A lot of good sense in this video. There's a huge industry of manufacturers, magazines, youtubers etc who are here to tell us we need the latest. I'm not sure how much slightly newer and slightly more powerful (which usually can't be used on the street) means in terms of fun. I drive a 14 year old S2000 every day when the weather is above 40 degrees. I don't blink once about taking a 2000 mile road trip. Consumables are cheap. I don't wash it that often. What's a detail? Money aside, I'm not sure there's anything under $100k I'd trade for the car 'cause its that good. I'm not here to start a Honda vs Porshe war because I'd be plenty happy in Boxster too.
Michael, it sounds like you're the kind of guy that knows how to enjoy something and appreciates what he has. Great for you. I loved my 2002 Subaru WRX, but I had to get rid of her once my then girlfriend moved in with me. Even after driving better cars, I still think it was a fun car. As fun as my Porsche? Of course not, but the car was quick enough, practical, cheap to maintain, and great in the snow. Thanks for watching!
Love the videos! I have quite a personal questions, only answer if you want to. I have a similar background to you, master in business, and I am graduating this summer. The only purchase i really look forward to the coming years is my first sportscar and I'm really into the 991.1. When the novelty of owning a modern Porsche disapeared what was it you wish you had the money for instead? Stockmarket? Real estate? Startin your own business? Travel? I'm terrified of regretting the purchase at the same time as it is very hard to recalibrate my sights for a 996 after looking at 991's for such a long time.
+Oliver Young I don't have any specific use case for the spare cash. Ultimately, I'd got more use out of a cheaper car while having more cash for starting my own business when the time comes.
Excellent advice from someone that's done it. So much hype with the 911 by buyers that refuse to think out of the box, much like the fanboys over Harley Davidson.
Car Fanatic I have the 08 XKR with the 4.2L Supercharged V8. The car drives great. For having nearly 100k miles it is just as reliable as any of my other cars. The porsche 996 is a great car as well. Power they feel similar while the porsche is just much tighter over the road. I also have an 11' sti hatch and a 99 bmw z3 that has been to the moon. Keep up the videos!
Would you feel the same way if your car cost ~30k? There are 997's going for that much now and I'm seriously thinking of getting one. Could pick up a Cayman S for 22-24k, but I'm already spending roughly that amount. I wouldn't miss the 6-7k.
+Romulus Deadphone I wouldn't, however, at $30k you're looking at a 05-06 base Carrera with higher miles. Nothing wrong with that, but the 997.2 is a significant upgrade. But with that said, those 997.1s are still fun to drive. Just make sure a car that cheap was properly maintained and didn't have any issues. If so, you're better off spending a little more to get something in better condition
Absolutely. One I'm looking at has had preventative IMS and RMS work done. I don't want to get into 997.2 price territory, and I doubt I will get close to utilizing all of the power in the 997.1. I'm not a track racing guy. Even the base Cayman would be a huge upgrade over my current vehicle.
You have like my dream setup. My dad always used to pick me up from soccer games in a black 08' Cayenne Turbo. One day i'm going to buy him one and a 997 for myself
Just to give another support for the Cayman... (All $ figures below are Canadian dollars) I bought a first gen Cayman S for ~$32000 (including tax and registration) two years ago. Had only about 30k miles on it. I drove about 12k miles since then. It is my only car but I only drive it for pleasure. I spent about $5000 on maintenance, minor repairs, new summer tires, and used winter tires / rims. In the used market right now, people have posted ~$33000 on average for a car like mine. Let's say I apply 10% discount and can sell it for $30000. So not including the insurance, gas, track fees, etc. - it cost me $3500 a year to own this car And I have a lot of fun every time I get on this car. When I go on smaller tracks, I can compete with 911 Turbos!! So yes! You can afford a high performance sports car with a reasonable budget! Of course, this is barring major failures, but I'd say that could happen to any performance cars.
I think this is a very good piece. Balanced. I know all too well what he is talking about as far as a car too nice or too expensive to do anything really fun with it. Like drive it a lot. Or drive it to any and all places. If it sits in the garage because you don't want to take it to the mall, is that really worth all that money? To some, maybe yes. But when I recently had close to $3k maintenance costs on a car that I drove 900 miles last year, I start to wonder if it's all worth it. Add another grand for insurance and such. I couldn't bear to part with it, but sometimes I wonder if an old 944 that I drive everyday everywhere, with abandon, would ultimately be more fun.
+Hans Schweikert I feel you. What kind of car do you have? I have gotten around the dilemma by accepting that I will keep the car for a long time and resell value isn't longer a factor. I drive my car when I need to without second thoughts!
Great commentary, but if you can afford $50-60K, is a lower mileage 997.2 S a good option vs. other new/used cars out there at that price point? It seems like a car one could own for a decade without regret.
If I had to spend $50-60k again, I'd definitely get a low mileage 997.2 over other new/used cards. What new cars in that price range can stack up against a 997? Sure, there will be faster cars, but none that are as well balanced and timeless as the 997. The real dilemma would then be a) Do you spend the extra dough to get a 997 GTS or b) Do you wait for the 991 S to drop in price?
I guess it depends on the reliability of the 997 vs. 991 (997.2 seems pretty bulletproof). I personally like the 997.2 coupe style (as you said, timeless) and feel the 991 is too big but the 991.2 is unbelievably fast (0-60 in 3.4) so it's a tough choice but it will be a a few years until even the 991.1 S is close to $60K. Today, I would go with a lower mileage loaded 997S.
JosephM1750 sorry to jump into your conversation but I would go with the 997. Sure the 991 is newer, faster, updated but I prefer the look of the 997 over the 991. Now I haven't driven either, but I'd imagine it is the same with all cars nowadays. The newer the model the less of a connected driving experience (i.e. hydraulic vs electric steering, exhaust sounds, etc). Besides in 15-20 years water cooled Porsches will be the new air cooled with Porsche developing hybrid and electric cars now, LOL.
+S S very different cars. It really depends on what you're looking for. Driving dynamics, 996 for sure. Practicality, 335. Reliability, it's a toss up unless the 996 has had the IMS/RMS addressed.
I think you missed a point though. Yes the 997 is more expensive relative to the rest of the fun vehicles you listed (and they are all great cars!) but in 10 years, they will all likely be selling for scrap. As for the 997 probably still holding ~20% of your purchased price. Liquidity is key! These p-car will still fly off the shelf by 2025. You can quoted me then! PS. Good video
yup, especially when Porsche 911's are going turbo-charged so that makes the NA carrera's more desirable (unless the new GT3 coming out is NA... but thatll make the 4S/GTS4 the last 4wd NA 911)
Alex Fann 2009-2012 997.2. The 1999-2008 years were the first water-cooled engines and suffered massive IMS issues in the M96 and M97 engines. Google IMS failure and you'll understand. The previous air cooled engines are a lot more valued. The current 991 of the 911 is larger and a slight departure from the classic 911s. They're still depreciating like crazy but are considered excellent cars and will eventually level off. The nice thing about the 2009-2012 years is they are smaller being more true to the 911 experience. They have the current gen 9A1 engine which is excellent. They also have PDK and hydraulic steering. They are about to level off and start appreciating due to the long run and glut of quality 911s from all the crap 996's out there no one will buy. There is an exception though, any year Turbo is good. They have a different "Mezger" engine which is valued highly due to its racing pedigree. The 996 turbo is probably the best deal out there right now. That or just buy a new S550 mustang. I looked up Edmunds track review out of curiosity and a modern Mustang achieved something like 68 mph in the slalom over a 2003 911 turbo at like 62 mph. You really can't compare them though.
TheSquiddlyspooge IMS is not massive, it's less than 5% of actual vehicles...... And the IMS tapered off even more after 2005. There are many many 996 owners with 120,000 + miles on stock IMS/rms...
vdubjetta02 I think it's more like 10%. Regardless it has caused values to plummet. The engine is no where near as stout as the 9A1. If you do happen to experience an IMS issue you might as well write the car off as a loss since it'll be prohibitively expensive to fix given the value of the car. Of course you could do preventative maintenance by upgrading to an aftermarket bearing but to do that in an M97 engine means pulling the entire engine apart. Just isn't worth it. They're crappy years for the 911 and there's no way around it. He asked for the best and without saying GT3 I decided a 997.2 was ideal.
TheSquiddlyspooge how much can I get an 09 for, or a 1999-2008 turbo? I plan to start a business this year but I don't know how much money will be made.
Alex Fann There are two turbos for $33,900 (2001 & 2002) on Autotrader right now. I also found 09 Carrera's' starting at $34k with lower mile options in the $40s
You spent the $$$$. Why baby the car? Who are you saving it for? Keep it pristine for someone else to enjoy when you're dead??? Granted, I'm always anal about my cars when I fist buy them, but after 2 years or so, screw it! I USE them and make sure to maintain them. I babied my 2015 WRX till I got my first parking lot door ding and a few highway rock chips. After that, the futility set in. Cars for the most part are horrible investments anyhow.
+ALT3REDB3AST I hear you. I am not treating the car as an investment or saving it for someone else. When I grew up, I noticed that once I stopped caring about something, it would turn into garbage. Great example are shoes. Shoes will inevitably get worn to the point you have to throw them out. However, I do feel a car is more durable and, by taking care of it continuously, will greatly extend the life of the car.
Unfortunately my expected Porsche 997.1 fell through and I have to find another option. What are your thoughts on the BMW Z4? I live in Germany and cars are around 20% to 30% more here, so a decent 2012-2013 Z4 would run me around 30-35k €. However, this would be a bit over my budget and I really should look for cars around 25k, but hey your almost dream car for only 5k more. It's the same inner argument which I'm sure you had as well. Get the 997.2 for 60k or the 997.1 for 40k. Well f the 10k I'm getting my dream car :P Nice year of 2016, keep up the good content. Really enjoying your channel, even with the cayenne ;)
+iokone my advice would be to wait for another 997.1 or save up for the 997.2. my cousin bought a 2014 Z4 and sold it shortly after because of its electrical issues. I'm my opinion, you shouldn't settle for a BMW if what you really want us a Porsche. Just wait however long you need to because you'll want to keep the Porsche for a long time whereas that may not be the case for other cars.
cool vid, I think for me to enjoy it, the timing has to be right; ie. I must be generating enough income to comfortably pay for the payments without having to sacrifice anything else (downgrading my lifestyle)
Makes a lot of sense! I love my 911, but if I could do it all over again, I'd probably get a cheap Cayman. I think that's one of the best cars for the money at the moment.
This is a good channel with good tips. CF is very smart in that he saved up and paid cash for his 997. At 68 I'm prolly older than most here, but still a car enthusiast. Just sold my E39 M5 after three years' ownership, now hunting 997.2 Carrera or 981 Cayman S. I've owned 30 cars in my lifetime, and have blown a lot of money on them. For the overwhelming majority, cars are not investments; they're expensive toasters, hunks of metal with a motor (ah, but what a motor...). I echo CF's advice: Pay cash and DIY as much work as you can. That way you own the car, not the other way around.
+Vic Sorlie thanks for the kind words! You are right that you should pay cash for a car if you can. Unfortunately, I didn't purchase my 997 outright. However, when it came time to purchase my Cayenne, I bought it with cash. Now, I just have a little left on my 997 before it is completely paid off. Thanks for watching!
Car Fanatic what are your thoughts on the Cayman R... Again putting miles on that car will be an issue but will it be an appreciating asset over the years?
Cayman R's are very nice. I think they will hold their value much better than a standard Cayman S, however, I don't think they'll appreciate like a Cayman GT4. The Cayman GT4 derives its value mainly from the 3.8L 911 motor followed by the GT3 suspension bits and larger brakes. On the other hand, the Cayman R is really a factory tuned S. If you can find one for a good price, I think it would be an excellent car to own...especially if you can find one with full leather interior and carbon bucket seats.
Your dead on. 10, 20, 30 grand MORE does not return MORE driving enjoyment most of the time. I have had and tracked 997's, 987's, 3.2's and a high mileage 986s was the smiles per $ winner of any of them. There are a lot of people buying porsches for prestige - they need the new toy - enthusiasts want the fun experience.
$20K to $30K ++ to own a recent Porsche? You guys are lucky. I'm in Malaysia there is no way I can get a used Porsche for anything below USD100K for less than 10 years old car. Thanks to the government and the cronies that monopolize the car import industries.
Buy a new car with long warranty and you will always be 😁 happy....... like dreaming about having a Porsche. But I also really enjoy watching my bank balance grow, and watching my bank balance grow gives me so much enjoyment
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Bought my first Porsche in June. 991.1 Manual. At my advanced age of 51 I no longer worry about being perfect. DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!!!!! Its a Porsche and that is what is made for. I commute 108 miles five to six days a week and LOVE driving this car. Resale value won't give me a ton of great experiences and memories!! Great channel!
Pete, sounds like you're living the dream! Keep on driving and hope you enjoy every single mile :)
I know this vlog is few years old. But I never understood people that buy a 911 and turns it into a garage queen. All generations of 911s should be your daily commuter. It makes the commute so much enjoyable. If you can't drive it due to any reason, then yes you made the right choice in selling it to a person who will use it like it was meant to be. Btw, do appreciate your other vlogs as a subscriber.
Thanks for the perspective. I just bought a 996 with 75k miles (and a good amount of overdue maintenance needed) for a little more than $13k. At that price point, I'm not afraid to drive it, wrench on it, or park it in crowded parking lots. I AM a little jealous of the guys around town in the newer 997s and 991s, but I've got no payments, and that makes my 'weekend toy' that much more pleasurable...
Carl Linnington I'm in the same boat as you..much rather be in a 996 without the worry or stress!
Recently got a 08 Cayman S, not a single regret. Highly recommend to anyone with around 20k
Currently looking at the 981 Cayman S. Hope I get the same feeling you have right now!
Daniel Bel I just bought a 2006 Cayman S with a 3.8 conversion. I paid about 30 k and have zero regrets
I bought a 2.7 2008 Cayman and I love it. According to forums : the 2.7 is the more reliable Gen1 cayman. Not saying there is no risk, but definitely less risk as far as the cooling problem goes. I will not be tracking my car for this reason but will wait until I can afford a 981. But planning that to be about 5-10 years from now. My car has 80k miles, 10k of those I have put on with no issues! The flat six howl is amazing with my soul cat back exhaust. The 5 speed is great and has that rifle bolt feel, handles like a dream.. Recently took a buddy 90mph around a sweeper and he was hooked. Now he wants one! No tire squeal whatsoever.. Not sure where the limit is on this mid engine'd masterpiece. Did I mention I only paid 22k for this example? From the Porsche dealership in Atl! And a 3 year warranty on a 10 year old car, damn I love my Porsche 😍
Obi-Wan Kenobi hi, thanks for your post. I too am looking at a 2006 to 2008 Cayman, but worried about IMS. Did that enter into your decision at all? Have if me thinks that it is overblown but the other half thinks that my luck blows and if the IMS is gonna go, it will go during my ownership of the car.
Agreed. My two last "fun" cars kept me constantly worrying about where to park. It's funny how every time I start car shopping again, I always forget that part of ownership.
I totally agree with you on this, I bought a 996 a year ago and drive it hard all the time. I do still worry about things happening to it not because of its value but because I love the car so much but because it's cheaper I don't worry about putting miles on the clock and affecting the value as it wasn't worth much to start with.
Excellent, refreshing, honest and objective review- rarely seen these days with excessive, exaggerated emotion on reviews. Thanks.
+Drew B thanks for the positivity!
Between living in a place with harsh winters and having young kids, having any sports car as an only car was never really an option for me. Over the last 20 years of owning sports cars as second or third cars, my biggest regret with each of them is putting too little mileage on them due to concerns about keeping them "perfect". Unfortunately, I've always ended up keeping them perfect for the next owner! My reason for not driving them has never been operating costs - once you remove the depreciation, Porsches are generally pretty reasonable for ongoing costs. Unless something unusual goes wrong (which always can happen with any car,) the biggest expense is the bi-annual tire replacement. For me it's more the "keeping it clean", avoiding parking lots, or having to pick up the kids after work.
With my 2009 Carrera S, I'm trying hard not too worry about that, and to just drive it and enjoy it (at least between April and November). The small rear seats allow me to use it even when picking up the kids, and the frustration from the wear & tear they put on the interior is offset by the smiles on their faces as they tell me to "go faster", and when my 6 year old tells me that this will be his car when he starts driving.
I hope you keep your car. Where are you looking at moving to that you won't keep the 911?
speedcanada1 I swear you wrote this for me. I have a brand new Mustang GT with the performance pack sitting in my garage as a fourth car. It won't come out until spring. I'm going to try and keep it so all the miles are mine regardless but you just never know if you'll have to sell it. I really want your car. An ideal garage would have my Mustang and a 997.2 911 right above it on a lift. I really think those 2009-2012 years are going to start appreciating here soon. Those years are so ideal compared to the IMS 996/997.1 and the newer larger 991. Not that the 991 isn't valued, it's just larger and and on a massive depreciation curve due to popping them out like crazy. Those 997.2 cars are unique.
Agreed, my friend. Personally, I found that the 997.2 was the sweet spot in terms of modernity, materials and build quality, and performance. Although the 991 is a beautiful, capable car, the increase in size just decreased the appeal to me as a sports car (although it may make a better commuter car!).
I love the new Mustang GTs... I had a convertible as s rental last spring and couldn't get enough of the Coyote engine sound. I drove around in circles downtown just to hear that exhaust! I can definitely see getting one of those used as they head down depreciation street...
997.2 suffer from bore scoring. There are no perfectly reliable cars, let alone 911's. Owning a high performance machine is always a maintanance gamble. Sometimes you luck out, other times you're scraping the savings account.
@@MrAchilles113 it's uncommon to have bore scoring on the 997.2, more common on the 996 & 997.1.
Like your perspective. I was recently having an internal battle over whenever to get an R8, or a 997 Cayman S.
I could fit either in my budget, but I decided to be super logical, and do several test drives.
Long story short... I got the Cayman, and I couldn't be happier. As fun as anything I've driven, and it has beautiful lines.
long story short. I have fun driving my car everyday, and have extra cash flow, for whatever.
I'm with you. Think these things out people.
Btw, you will be back on another 911 soon enuf if not already done so. I'm on my 4th 911 as of this past Saturday. Drove 400+ miles from SF to OC the day I bought it. Pure pleasure.
I just bought a 1999 996 with 76K on it. It has the Tiptronic transmission, it's in beautiful shape and I paid $16,500. I am so happy with it!! Its my first Porsche but the best part is I don't have to worry about it like more expensive cars I've had. I can drive it in the rain, snow, its an everyday driver. It is a blast to drive has very nice power, its small, comfortable and you are literally wrapped in a beautiful leather interior. People are almost giving these cars away for the price of a used honda civic. The fun to price ratio on these is way up there and you can afford it.
damn, kinda regretting that I got a civic xD porsche had always been my dream car
thanks for the honest reflection. The more seat time I get in a wide range of cars, the more I find myself appreciating the experience of less expensive cars--Honda s2000, Miata, sub-30k Porsches, etc. As you mentioned, it is somewhat liberating not feeling one has no much money riding on a car, to the point where it is taking away from the ownership experience--e.g., worried about milesage, parking, spirited HPDEs, etc. I am reconsidering my search for a 997.2 and am looking at 996s and Caymans instead. Do you think it's worth paying the premium for a 2009 Cayman to avoid the IMS issue?
The IMS really isn't a big issue on a 2006 and up Cayman. Porsche switched out the IMS bearing with a more reliable one in 2006 I believe. You'd really just be paying for the updated exterior/interior, more refined suspension, and a little more power. You have to ask yourself if that's worth $10k to you. You'll likely pay around $25k for an average mileage 987.1 S vs. $35k for a 987.2 S.
Car Fanatic thanks. That's quite a price difference, and 997.1 territory. Putting the IMS aside, I would say it's not worth the premium.
Bore scoring and oil starvation is the bigger issue with the older Caymans. People theorize it's due to heat on one bank of cylinders, and can be prevented by using a GT3 radiator, but I'm not sure that's been definitively proven yet. The M96-7 engines just weren't a good design IMO, and it's probably worth the premium for the 9A1 engine in the 2009+ models which corrected these silly issues. Plus you get the option of having a PDK in '09+.
Paul Eubanks good points. Besides reliability maybe the 2009+ will hold their value, will also be a better car to hold it for a long time. What are they thoughts between the S and non-S 2009?
S and Base are both good, just one is faster/torque-ier than the other. Many people think the base is anemic by comparison, but really it's just because the S is such a monster of a car.
CF, I agree with your advice to keep that car payment down as much as possible or avoid if possible. I just purchased my very first Porsche two months ago. Found a 2007 997 Carrera base model with 95K miles but paid only $24K cash. I saved for a long time and I'm grateful to finally have my dream car. Plus it looks and drives like a $100,000 car! Just got back from a drive up the California Central Coast, so much fun! Also doing a lot of the service myself to save even more thanks to your helpful videos! Thanks. 😊
+lbrastaman yeah, people are afraid of higher mileage Porsches. Great deals for enthusiast who can do a bit of wrenching. Congrats!
What a great honest review, some people don't understand the responsibility that comes w/these" toys. But great job, thanks for being honest, keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Hey, thanks for posting these videos. I like the way you use reason & logic to make calculated decissions & seem less like a person who acts on impluse. Had I not previously gotten into motorcycles I may have done the same thing you did. I recently rented a 997 for 3 days & totally get it now. I've always been a car guy but nothing is as rewarding to drive as porsche so far in my experience. I'm hoping to get into a cayman soon to see if thats more practical.
+Aaron Turner thanks for the kind words. I hope you get your Cayman. Keep me posted!
I almost got into a Boxster, a friend talked me out and I got my 2009 Carrera S Cab with 26k miles on it. I now have 62k and it is flawless..... I drive it daily, use the cab 2-3 times a day, and will never get anything else. I got off the lot for a 77k note. That included Platinum Insurance bumper to bumper and that was 3.5k (Yes, you need to get some insurance for any major default).
I've owned a 328, 335I, M3, X5 loaded, (2) GTI's (those were fun), and now my sled. Every mile is a smile. And the fasted I have taken my rig is 171 8 West get off at Old Highway 80. Top end is 183, but I don't want to risk being tasered, beaten, and cuffed and stuffed with a reckless driving mark on my record. I keep it light.
My thoughts: Don't get a Cayman, get a full blown badboy, find the credit/money and enjoy everyday of your life. If you test drive, you will be freaked out. Don't go with your woman, she will do and say what she can to make sure you either get the sled or get her a ring.... go test drive by yourself and hopefully you have a guy like my experience who let me use Sport Plus.
Agree
I drive mine everyday for the last 2 years with no problems, issues or emergency repairs. These cars have to be driven and you have to take care of them like every other car. I found Porsche parts being way cheaper than BMW and much more better car as well.
SuperShutter123 Stoked!
I missed my older Boxster so much that I almost bought a 2009 C2S Cabrio (No Chrono) as it was an apparent bargain with 12K miles on the clock for $54K at a premier lemon-lot. With the warranty and tax...I was looking at $60K+ out the door. Silver and looked great. However, I think I'd still prefer a Cayman or Boxster for far less money and better weight balance. Does your C2S handle as well as a Cayman??
Oh yes sir!! Its a different driving style and I don't want to sound like "911 this or 911 that" but completely different car.
Also I have seen it somewhere that horse power/dollar ration on Cayman put is on the most expensive list in its class.
Your time will come. Sell it before planned obsolescence kicks in.
Great vid - and your "How I afforded vid" - you are one responsible guy, and serving our country. You have a lot of qualities to admire. One other great used car is the 944 S2. Not that cheap to maintain, but few Porsche's are, and the best handling car I've driven to date. Peace.
Very thoughtful and informative. You took a very rational look at something so emotional as buying a Porsche. That's a tough thing to do!
+joseph D'Amato thank you!
Really good honest review.
Cheers John
Yes, totally agreed. Previously owned Miata, SLK320, Boxster and finally settled on a 01. 911 Carrera with hardtop, 69Kmiles for $17K. Have IMS bearing repplaced (just in time, the shaft has some play) for $2K. So for roughly $20K, you could have real fun on a set budget.
Great Advice Could Not Have Said It Better. There are good cars out their. If you monetize your priorities and know what you want, you will know what to look for according to your budget.
God Speed
Sounds like you regretted your purchase because you bought a car outside your budget. That's no knock on the 997 though which is an excellent choice for a first Porsche for most people
I bought a 997 last month. It's amazing. There is nothing like it. But, I understand why you're analyzing about it. You're right, it's no daily driver. Thankfully, I have a ram 1500 for that purpose
LS3 C6 Corvette -- the perfect fun car on the cheap (and it's beautiful)
+singlecellorganism13 I have a review video of the C6 Z06 coming up. Let's just say that I would never trade my car for that. It's extremely powerful, but that's about it. I was not impressed by the driving dynamics and build quality.
Thank you for the video again. I test drove the 2001 996 last week and it was a great car. It was an automatic because I just had a knee ACL reconstruction surgery. I can't really drive manual right now. I am going to wait for my knee to recover before buying the 911 because I love the manual transmission.
+Entjik Jeffrie hope you have speeds recovery!
Car Fanatic Thank you very much. Have a great long Labor Day weekend 😁
Appreciate being reminded of the most important piece here, buy what you can afford, the car will still be fun and you won’t stress the monthly payments. We start to fantasize about these cars like we’re the next Michael Schumacher, meanwhile all we want to do is rip once in a while and not sweat the scuffs and monthly payments on the Car. Sound advice👍🏼
+Chris Stelluti thanks for watching. Hope you subscribe!
Had an 06 987S. Great car, but my GTS is another level of fun and functionality. The extra 100HP adds a lot of fun. The back seat/storage area are functional for golf clubs and I can finally recline where I want to be. I am growing old with the 997.2 so I could car less about mileage. A little extra walk in a parking lot was done previously so no change there. Ya, if you can’t afford a 997 a 987 s is a great fun compromise, but it IS a compromise from a 911. No remorse for me.
I've got 2008 Porsche Cayenne Turbo. And someday I may start my own blog as well. I had tons of fun driving it, as well as some sad moments - when I had to do some repairs. But the more I drive it, the more I love it! :-) I want to buy Boxter or Panamera for my wife, and 911 for myself some day.
I bought a loaded 2002 996.2 manual tranny C4 garage kept cabriolet last year with 39K miles on it for $25k out the door. The top looks brand new. I think I got a pretty good deal and I'm very happy with my purchase. Had I paid $60k for a used Porsche, I think I'd be obsessing over the same things you are lol.
I hear you. I put 8K miles on my 997.1 911 in 3 years. That was mostly weekend drives and a couple longer road trips. At one point though, I stopped worrying about the miles, and just accepted I would get what I would get for it. Now, I have a 997.2 GT3. I rarely drive it, but I love owning it. I do have a road trip planned in Mar to Amelia Island for the werks reunion and concours, which is a few hours away, and I'm gonna do some mountain road driving this summer. So it will get driven. Saving the miles till then!
997 dryvr Why?....drive the car...save miles for what????
Noa Kaloa for all the driving I'll be doing later this year. I'm pretty sure that's what I said in my post.
I liked your video. Completely agree with you. I am a little "paranoid" so to say about my Porsche as well. I actually have more "consistent" fun in my Mustang GT . . . lol. But them Porsche . . . man oh man. Got to luv them.
Excellent review , really helps to make right decision on buying a used Porsche. Thanks.!
Really enjoying your V-logs! I am in the hunt for 996 here in Japan. In Japan, most people uses trains to work and therefore lots of used cars here are with a very low milage and a good condition. I am debating the choice between manual or tiptronic transmission for 996. Can you give me your thoughts on that?
Manual all the way! It's more engaging and has better performance. It's also a simpler transmission, thus easier to fix if something goes wrong. Good luck and keep me posted!
Thanks for you your quick response and advice. I will go for manual. One more question. i know you have driven both 996 and 997. Obviously 997 is more modern with updated technologies and a faster car but in terms of the driving experience (engine sound, tightens of the car, handling, etc), do you think 996 is just as fun to drive or do you recommend 997? I am asking your opinion on this because price diff between 996 and 997 is significant in Japan as well and if 996 is just as fun to drive as 997, I would rather go for 996 and spend extra to upgrade the car with after market some option.
I think that there may be a feeling of complacency among young people that those of us with more miles don't usually share. Things may not always be as good as they are now in our Country and it's prudent to prepare for an uncertain future just in case. One of the most important aspects of that is to be aware of the time-value of money.
I agree with the 996 911 being a dream to drive. Just get the Turbo if you want more HP.
I bought my first generation 997 (with upgraded IMS and RMS replaced) back in 2018 for 31K cash. 68k miles. So far I have added 3900 miles no major issues or major expense other than registering the car Modern Key Fob replacement, insurance (997 takes about 70% of my insurance bill), gas and so on and I am in for a running total of 36.5k in just over two years. Currently at $186.56 per ride, $9.23 per mile.
Not sure how some measure the cost of ownership but I track everything for this car on a spreadsheet and if I eventually sell it I guess my cost of ownership will be my running total minus my sell price. Not sure if I am tracking this information correctly but that is how I am doing it. I've seen a couple of youtubers leave out insurance/gas in many cases so I could never get a true gauge of what it cost to own these cars.
I plan to do a full suspension refresh soon as well as the starter motor/battery cable (hot start symptoms) so that will add a couple of thousand dollars to the above number. Anyway, New tires soon after and buying some Fuchs if I can find them.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing and hope you're subscribed!
Excellent vid! Loved the honest comments. Was really impressed that you did some of your own wrenching on the 997 too (in the other vid). Do you have a background in turning wrenches or did you just self-teach?
I first started working on cars in high school. I don't have any training. Forums, TH-cam videos, etc. have been great resources. However, there is a lot of bad information out there. For Porsche tutorial guides, check out www.pelicanparts.com. While they sell Porsche parts, they also create a lot of great DIY guides. Thanks for watching!
"I really worried about parking it"
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You're right about the Cayman & 996s though. Fun cars that balance the $/fun factor well.
Early non-Mezger liquid cooled Boxsters, 996 and 997 might have issues, in a relatively low percentage of units, related to IMS bearing and cylinder lining cracking. I wouldn't accept any non-Mezger engine powered 996 or 997 in exchange of my 964.
Hitting the nail on the head. I do want a 997.2, but 997.1 prices are much more in my reach right now. I just can't stand the stereo/infotainment system and I'm scared of IMS. I probably should get a nice 997.1, aftermarket head unit and either make sure the IMS has been addressed or calculate that into my price. My automotive fanaticism is slowly fading from what it used to be. Who knows where I'll be when it's time to pull the trigger.
Either way, good points. Buy a nice used example if something in your price range and enjoy it. Not worth going into debt/financial hardship over. Live within your means.
Thank you! If you go for a 997.1 with plans to upgrade the IMS bearing and head unit, make sure you can get the car for significantly less than a comparable 997.2. A new IMS and head unit will run you close to $4k. If the price different between comparable 997.1s and 997.2s isn't much more, go with the 997.2 because you'll get refreshed exterior along with a bunch more power. Alternatively, you may be able to find a 997.2 base Carrera for the price of a 997.1 S with new head unit & IMS bearing. The base 997.2 has nearly as much power, better torque curve, and engine seems to be issue free.
Car Fanatic absolutely! I did a little comparison "shopping" after your video not taking into account options. I just looked at MY (.1 vs .2), mileage, and price. There are some deals to be had, but in a lot of cases the price difference wasn't enough to warrant passing on the updated .2, so st the current time it would have to be the right deal. I did find a sweet Atlas Gray (I believe that's the color, same as your basically) C4S with two tone red/black interior with low miles for a very nice price. From initial checks it seems to be the perfect deal. Again, I didn't look at options or maintenance history. So the potential is there.
Edit: here it is - www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/163056904
Meteor Gray, not Atlas.
A side note...spending countless hours on the forums, there has developed a consensus in the Porsche forums that the IMS bearing seldom brake in cars that are driven hard, tracked etc. Porsches like to be driven hot every time they are taken out. So if you have the original bearing in your car, there is even more reason to dive it like you stole it.
Ville, sound like as good a reason as any I've ever heard!! LOL!!!
That's some good advice. I currently have 2013 C63 AMG tuned w/510 bhp. I really want a used Cayman or 997 with something more usable hp.. I will keep the AMG
C63 sounds sweet. One thing I've really come to appreciate about Porsches is the balance. The cars aren't insanely powered, but nicely balance all around performance and driving experience. I think we'll see Caymans and 997s drop a little bit more in price, but they'll bottom out soon. Even a base 997.1 is so much car for the money. I'd have a hard time believing one with average miles in good shape would sell for less than $25k.
Crazy cuz I just sold my 2012 C63 coupe for a 997S. Still looking for the right one at the moment.
This was very good. Appreciate the honest reflections and advice.
Thanks for the kind words Isaac!
wanted to go from a 2013 S4 into a 2015 991. Decided to get a S2000 with 35K miles instead. Best decision of my life. I can shift three gears at red line before I really get into jail territory. That was never possible. Can't agree more with the whole cheaper car is more fun and easier on the mind sentiment. Although a 911 is still in my future... I hope
Good video. I went through similar thought process before getting a 987 Boxster S. $22,000 canadian and I won't mind putting on some miles on it since it's already pretty cheap.
I may add that in the 25k range the Z4M is also a good contender with a different drive feel than a Porsche.
True, but they're hard to find as BMW didn't make that many.
And that's why I own a 996 carrera manual (modified)... I don't care about parking it, front bumper getting rock chipped ect... It still offers the drivers experience with a manual tranny, motor in the back and super light....and with brake, suspension and exhaust upgrades it is a blast... $22k with 67,000 miles
vdubjetta02, I fully agree with your comment. Sometimes it can be a real relief to own something that's fully depreciated and you can enjoy without the worries. Once the IMS/RMS repair is done on the 996/986, you've got an incredibly reliable, somewhat modern, very high-performance automobile. The 996 at under $20K, the 986 under $10K and the NA/NB Miata ~$5K are the sports car bargains of our time.
I'm surprised. Why a Cayman over a 996 911? They're both roughly the same cost and you could probably get more functionality from the +2 seats of the 911.
I prefer the Cayman to the 996 for a few reasons:
1) Porsche really improved their build quality when they moved from the 996/986 to the 997/987.
2) Aesthetics - Cayman has the better interior/exterior in my opinion.
3) Mid-engine balance - I love the rear engine bias of the 911, but a mid-engine car would be better for canyon carving.
This is some pretty good advice. I own a Honda S2000, WRX STi and a Gen 5 Viper GTS. The Viper is a $100K+ car, and the amount of stress associated with its ownership is commensurate with its price tag. I park it a mile away from any mall entrance and still stress when I'm inside.............. But, the enjoyment of driving the car and owning the car outweighs the stress. I guess the bottom line is, it's nice to have a couple other cars to hop into and drive without the worry.............
Nice stable dude! Got a 11' STI, 99' Z3, 08' XKR, and a 02' C4S and I agree. I love driving my Z3 like I just don't care since it has 240,000miles+ on it and is worthless to anyone but me. The other require at least a degree of care and really just worry associated.
Yep, you got it!!
Fuck the word commensurate gave me a chub
hey!! soo... I'm thinking of buying my first Porsche and was wondering if you could do a video showing the differences between a 997 Carrera S and a 997 GTS. I really like what you have done with your 997 think it looks and sounds great. but I hear you going on about the GTS.
+Stephen James hi Stephen. The main differences are: wide body, front aero bumper and lip, standard sports exhaust, center lock wheels and power kit. I will think about making video if time permits. Thanks for the suggestion and hope you're subscribed!
Sounds like a little bit of buyers remorse.... just think, you would not have had this problem by buying those other cars you mentioned...all you'd be thinking of is "why did I not buy a 911!". Do not sell the car...you'll regret it....unless you are looking at another Porsche.
As a porsche owner, there are other great sports cars out there. Some that I would argue are more special. The 911 just happens to be a better overall car than all others except say a corvette. IMO Corvette equals porsche in DD capability, albeit with somewhat less refinement. But hey! You get what you pay for. Point being, if he sells the car o well it's not the end of the world.
this is all true.. for many countries but not for germany.. It makes a huge difference in driving and fun when you switch to cayman from a carrera... (not speaking of the Gt4. Gt4 is great) But at speeds 120mph + you feel the difference. This difference is totally woth it
I bought a 997.2 at around the same time you did and my thoughts are fairly similar - although I love the car, if I had to do it all over again I'm not certain I would have, mainly due to the fact that I don't drive it that much. My other vehicle is a 4th gen Toyota 4Runner which I drive far more often, primarily due to two reasons: 1) My office is located only a couple miles from home so if I take the 997, the engine doesn't even come close to warming up all the way, and 2) I ride a mountain bike regularly and it's just a lot easier to throw the bike into the SUV rather than mount the bike rack on the 997. Funny thing is I actually owned an AP1 S2000 several years ago - that was a great car but I outgrew it. I needed torque. :)
I have an s2000 and find it more than adequate. Sure there are plenty of faster cars and I have considered buying a more expensive, more powerful car, but at the end of the day it's all about how the car makes you feel and the s2000 is everything a sports car should be to me. Plus it's getting rare here in Aus :D
I have an issue as well. I'm retiring in a few years and I have a strict budget to buy two cars, a fun car and a workhorse. I'll either get the 1) Porsche 911 Carrera 4 and Lexus ES or 2) Mazda Miata and the Lexus LS Hybrid. The selfish me wants the Porsche but the practical responsible side is yelling at me to get the Lexus LS. I will pay cash
I'd say go with 1). You only live once and why not own a Porsche? Lexus LS is nice...but, an ES is pretty nice as well.
A lot of good sense in this video. There's a huge industry of manufacturers, magazines, youtubers etc who are here to tell us we need the latest. I'm not sure how much slightly newer and slightly more powerful (which usually can't be used on the street) means in terms of fun. I drive a 14 year old S2000 every day when the weather is above 40 degrees. I don't blink once about taking a 2000 mile road trip. Consumables are cheap. I don't wash it that often. What's a detail? Money aside, I'm not sure there's anything under $100k I'd trade for the car 'cause its that good. I'm not here to start a Honda vs Porshe war because I'd be plenty happy in Boxster too.
S2000 is a great car. Like a Miata with more power. Gotta love them!
Michael, it sounds like you're the kind of guy that knows how to enjoy something and appreciates what he has. Great for you. I loved my 2002 Subaru WRX, but I had to get rid of her once my then girlfriend moved in with me. Even after driving better cars, I still think it was a fun car. As fun as my Porsche? Of course not, but the car was quick enough, practical, cheap to maintain, and great in the snow. Thanks for watching!
Car Fanatic I'm in the verge of moving on from my E39 M5. Great car, but just same worries as yourself. Thinking of a new STI
Love the videos! I have quite a personal questions, only answer if you want to. I have a similar background to you, master in business, and I am graduating this summer. The only purchase i really look forward to the coming years is my first sportscar and I'm really into the 991.1. When the novelty of owning a modern Porsche disapeared what was it you wish you had the money for instead? Stockmarket? Real estate? Startin your own business? Travel?
I'm terrified of regretting the purchase at the same time as it is very hard to recalibrate my sights for a 996 after looking at 991's for such a long time.
+Oliver Young I don't have any specific use case for the spare cash. Ultimately, I'd got more use out of a cheaper car while having more cash for starting my own business when the time comes.
You had me at Porsche Cayman :-). Love mine.
Great vids ! How are the front lights more darker ?? Looks very good, similar to pdls . Thanks !
+Alex from Spain I have tinted protective film on my headlights. Made by a company called lamin-x.
Car Fanatic thanks ! Appreciated !
Excellent advice from someone that's done it. So much hype with the 911 by buyers that refuse to think out of the box, much like the fanboys over Harley Davidson.
Thanks for sharing the great reflections!
+Scope951 thanks for watching!
25K to spend, get a Jag XKR like I did. 420HP and the same torque! Nice review. I have a 996 4S also, another good one.
+Matthew Mitchell how do you like your Jaguar compared to the 996? Is it reliable? I haven't looked into them much.
Car Fanatic I have the 08 XKR with the 4.2L Supercharged V8. The car drives great. For having nearly 100k miles it is just as reliable as any of my other cars. The porsche 996 is a great car as well. Power they feel similar while the porsche is just much tighter over the road. I also have an 11' sti hatch and a 99 bmw z3 that has been to the moon. Keep up the videos!
2007 Black on black 997.1 Carrera Cabriolet with 35k miles. Purchased for $37k and I'm having a blast!
Nice! Hopefully, you don't have to deal with harsh winters! 35k miles...she's a baby. You need to break her in :)
Car Fanatic I live in Ft Lauderdale. It's definitely being driven more than the previous owner who I knew.
Would you feel the same way if your car cost ~30k? There are 997's going for that much now and I'm seriously thinking of getting one. Could pick up a Cayman S for 22-24k, but I'm already spending roughly that amount. I wouldn't miss the 6-7k.
+Romulus Deadphone I wouldn't, however, at $30k you're looking at a 05-06 base Carrera with higher miles. Nothing wrong with that, but the 997.2 is a significant upgrade. But with that said, those 997.1s are still fun to drive. Just make sure a car that cheap was properly maintained and didn't have any issues. If so, you're better off spending a little more to get something in better condition
Absolutely. One I'm looking at has had preventative IMS and RMS work done. I don't want to get into 997.2 price territory, and I doubt I will get close to utilizing all of the power in the 997.1. I'm not a track racing guy. Even the base Cayman would be a huge upgrade over my current vehicle.
Nice. Whatever you do, don't drive a 997.1 C2S or a 997.2. You may get tempted :)
My dream car is a 997 2010' with awd and manual gearbox and the 3,8 with 500hp.
Only downside is that i costs 175.000$ in Norway with 31.000 mile
+Wayne you mean 911 turbo? That would be fun!
No i mean 997, taxes in norway are sky high.... A 2016 Turbo S 911 costs around 250 000$
You have like my dream setup. My dad always used to pick me up from soccer games in a black 08' Cayenne Turbo. One day i'm going to buy him one and a 997 for myself
Just to give another support for the Cayman...
(All $ figures below are Canadian dollars)
I bought a first gen Cayman S for ~$32000 (including tax and registration) two years ago. Had only about 30k miles on it.
I drove about 12k miles since then. It is my only car but I only drive it for pleasure.
I spent about $5000 on maintenance, minor repairs, new summer tires, and used winter tires / rims.
In the used market right now, people have posted ~$33000 on average for a car like mine. Let's say I apply 10% discount and can sell it for $30000.
So not including the insurance, gas, track fees, etc. - it cost me $3500 a year to own this car
And I have a lot of fun every time I get on this car. When I go on smaller tracks, I can compete with 911 Turbos!!
So yes! You can afford a high performance sports car with a reasonable budget! Of course, this is barring major failures, but I'd say that could happen to any performance cars.
Sounds to me like what you should really do different is just not be afraid to drive it. Seriously. Its not a Faberge egg.
Is it good to have a DME check to determine over-rev "ignitions"?
+Edslittleworld it is for manual transmission cars. I can't remember the exact ranges, but you don't want to see any revs in the 5+ range I believe.
Thanks! I think I'l take your advice and keep an eye out for a (used) Cayman.
Thank you for your thoughts! It was very useful to me.
GREAT ADVICE!!! Thank you for the honest opinion!!
I think this is a very good piece. Balanced. I know all too well what he is talking about as far as a car too nice or too expensive to do anything really fun with it. Like drive it a lot. Or drive it to any and all places. If it sits in the garage because you don't want to take it to the mall, is that really worth all that money? To some, maybe yes. But when I recently had close to $3k maintenance costs on a car that I drove 900 miles last year, I start to wonder if it's all worth it. Add another grand for insurance and such. I couldn't bear to part with it, but sometimes I wonder if an old 944 that I drive everyday everywhere, with abandon, would ultimately be more fun.
+Hans Schweikert I feel you. What kind of car do you have? I have gotten around the dilemma by accepting that I will keep the car for a long time and resell value isn't longer a factor. I drive my car when I need to without second thoughts!
How do people treat you when seen in the exotic car vs. other cars you have had?
+rbinteractivemedia the 997 gets no attention in my area from adults, but kids notice lol
Good honest feedback.
Great commentary, but if you can afford $50-60K, is a lower mileage 997.2 S a good option vs. other new/used cars out there at that price point? It seems like a car one could own for a decade without regret.
If I had to spend $50-60k again, I'd definitely get a low mileage 997.2 over other new/used cards. What new cars in that price range can stack up against a 997? Sure, there will be faster cars, but none that are as well balanced and timeless as the 997. The real dilemma would then be a) Do you spend the extra dough to get a 997 GTS or b) Do you wait for the 991 S to drop in price?
I guess it depends on the reliability of the 997 vs. 991 (997.2 seems pretty bulletproof). I personally like the 997.2 coupe style (as you said, timeless) and feel the 991 is too big but the 991.2 is unbelievably fast (0-60 in 3.4) so it's a tough choice but it will be a a few years until even the 991.1 S is close to $60K. Today, I would go with a lower mileage loaded 997S.
JosephM1750 sorry to jump into your conversation but I would go with the 997. Sure the 991 is newer, faster, updated but I prefer the look of the 997 over the 991. Now I haven't driven either, but I'd imagine it is the same with all cars nowadays. The newer the model the less of a connected driving experience (i.e. hydraulic vs electric steering, exhaust sounds, etc). Besides in 15-20 years water cooled Porsches will be the new air cooled with Porsche developing hybrid and electric cars now, LOL.
BMW 335i 2009 or Porsche 996? 2001 likely? Can't decide..
+S S very different cars. It really depends on what you're looking for. Driving dynamics, 996 for sure. Practicality, 335. Reliability, it's a toss up unless the 996 has had the IMS/RMS addressed.
after my gt3rs, i feel insecure parking around. so now i am looking for a cayman that i can drive daily.
I bought a 992 and drive it every day, rain or shine. It was this or a new S-class - I chose a good time… lol
I think you missed a point though. Yes the 997 is more expensive relative to the rest of the fun vehicles you listed (and they are all great cars!) but in 10 years, they will all likely be selling for scrap. As for the 997 probably still holding ~20% of your purchased price. Liquidity is key! These p-car will still fly off the shelf by 2025. You can quoted me then! PS. Good video
yup, especially when Porsche 911's are going turbo-charged so that makes the NA carrera's more desirable (unless the new GT3 coming out is NA... but thatll make the 4S/GTS4 the last 4wd NA 911)
its all about Net Present Value of your overall investment
I hear ya....but driving a 997 or any other 911 is so much fun drive away and have fun with it!
Totally agree! I love my 997!
987.1 is exactly what I got but still the 997 is my fav but as you say it's a fantastic daily driver and fun on the open road 😆
I'll have to get me one in the near future! Prices are getting pretty cheap, but I'll need more garage space first.
Haha CF, then you'll have another car you don't drive enough! :) I have the same problem, I'm always looking for another car...
Hey, you live right near me (SM). Let's drive! We are all over the bay area a few weekends a month though we leave super early in the am. :)
Awesome. Can you shoot me an email at carandtruckfanatic@gmail.com?
I will be 16 this year and I want to save up for a Porsche 911. what year do you think would be the best?
Alex Fann 2009-2012 997.2. The 1999-2008 years were the first water-cooled engines and suffered massive IMS issues in the M96 and M97 engines. Google IMS failure and you'll understand. The previous air cooled engines are a lot more valued. The current 991 of the 911 is larger and a slight departure from the classic 911s. They're still depreciating like crazy but are considered excellent cars and will eventually level off. The nice thing about the 2009-2012 years is they are smaller being more true to the 911 experience. They have the current gen 9A1 engine which is excellent. They also have PDK and hydraulic steering. They are about to level off and start appreciating due to the long run and glut of quality 911s from all the crap 996's out there no one will buy. There is an exception though, any year Turbo is good. They have a different "Mezger" engine which is valued highly due to its racing pedigree. The 996 turbo is probably the best deal out there right now. That or just buy a new S550 mustang. I looked up Edmunds track review out of curiosity and a modern Mustang achieved something like 68 mph in the slalom over a 2003 911 turbo at like 62 mph. You really can't compare them though.
TheSquiddlyspooge IMS is not massive, it's less than 5% of actual vehicles...... And the IMS tapered off even more after 2005. There are many many 996 owners with 120,000 + miles on stock IMS/rms...
vdubjetta02 I think it's more like 10%. Regardless it has caused values to plummet. The engine is no where near as stout as the 9A1. If you do happen to experience an IMS issue you might as well write the car off as a loss since it'll be prohibitively expensive to fix given the value of the car. Of course you could do preventative maintenance by upgrading to an aftermarket bearing but to do that in an M97 engine means pulling the entire engine apart. Just isn't worth it. They're crappy years for the 911 and there's no way around it. He asked for the best and without saying GT3 I decided a 997.2 was ideal.
TheSquiddlyspooge how much can I get an 09 for, or a 1999-2008 turbo? I plan to start a business this year but I don't know how much money will be made.
Alex Fann There are two turbos for $33,900 (2001 & 2002) on Autotrader right now. I also found 09 Carrera's' starting at $34k with lower mile options in the $40s
driving experience is one thing, but what about the feeling you get from owning a certain car - isn't that worth something:)
This is very true, a Mazda Miata is a fun car to drive but I wouldn't be caught dead in it. Porsche there is no substitute.
He obviously isn't getting the ownership experience you have in mind if he's saying that in retrospect he'd get something less expensive.
@@iluvcakes19 sourpuss;-)
You spent the $$$$. Why baby the car? Who are you saving it for? Keep it pristine for someone else to enjoy when you're dead??? Granted, I'm always anal about my cars when I fist buy them, but after 2 years or so, screw it! I USE them and make sure to maintain them. I babied my 2015 WRX till I got my first parking lot door ding and a few highway rock chips. After that, the futility set in. Cars for the most part are horrible investments anyhow.
+ALT3REDB3AST I hear you. I am not treating the car as an investment or saving it for someone else. When I grew up, I noticed that once I stopped caring about something, it would turn into garbage. Great example are shoes. Shoes will inevitably get worn to the point you have to throw them out. However, I do feel a car is more durable and, by taking care of it continuously, will greatly extend the life of the car.
Car Fanatic yes, use, but take care of it!
Appreciate the video in forward-sight
What about the 991?
Unfortunately my expected Porsche 997.1 fell through and I have to find another option. What are your thoughts on the BMW Z4?
I live in Germany and cars are around 20% to 30% more here, so a decent 2012-2013 Z4 would run me around 30-35k €. However, this would be a bit over my budget and I really should look for cars around 25k, but hey your almost dream car for only 5k more. It's the same inner argument which I'm sure you had as well. Get the 997.2 for 60k or the 997.1 for 40k. Well f the 10k I'm getting my dream car :P
Nice year of 2016, keep up the good content. Really enjoying your channel, even with the cayenne ;)
+iokone my advice would be to wait for another 997.1 or save up for the 997.2. my cousin bought a 2014 Z4 and sold it shortly after because of its electrical issues. I'm my opinion, you shouldn't settle for a BMW if what you really want us a Porsche. Just wait however long you need to because you'll want to keep the Porsche for a long time whereas that may not be the case for other cars.
cool vid, I think for me to enjoy it, the timing has to be right; ie. I must be generating enough income to comfortably pay for the payments without having to sacrifice anything else (downgrading my lifestyle)
Makes a lot of sense! I love my 911, but if I could do it all over again, I'd probably get a cheap Cayman. I think that's one of the best cars for the money at the moment.
This is a good channel with good tips. CF is very smart in that he saved up and paid cash for his 997. At 68 I'm prolly older than most here, but still a car enthusiast. Just sold my E39 M5 after three years' ownership, now hunting 997.2 Carrera or 981 Cayman S. I've owned 30 cars in my lifetime, and have blown a lot of money on them. For the overwhelming majority, cars are not investments; they're expensive toasters, hunks of metal with a motor (ah, but what a motor...). I echo CF's advice: Pay cash and DIY as much work as you can. That way you own the car, not the other way around.
+Vic Sorlie thanks for the kind words! You are right that you should pay cash for a car if you can. Unfortunately, I didn't purchase my 997 outright. However, when it came time to purchase my Cayenne, I bought it with cash. Now, I just have a little left on my 997 before it is completely paid off. Thanks for watching!
you always say what I want to hear you are really fantastic guy and I like all the information you really said. gg
Thank you for the very kind words! Happy new year my friend!
Sage advice.
agree, that's why I'm happy I found my 09 C2 for 31k. perfect price and still a lot of car
+Edwin Handschuh $31k for an 09 Carrera? That's a steal. How many miles were on the clock?
Car Fanatic 71k and full maintenance records. car has pdk w/sport chrono
Car Fanatic what are your thoughts on the Cayman R... Again putting miles on that car will be an issue but will it be an appreciating asset over the years?
I have to say that is a fantastic deal. Great job with that!
Cayman R's are very nice. I think they will hold their value much better than a standard Cayman S, however, I don't think they'll appreciate like a Cayman GT4. The Cayman GT4 derives its value mainly from the 3.8L 911 motor followed by the GT3 suspension bits and larger brakes. On the other hand, the Cayman R is really a factory tuned S. If you can find one for a good price, I think it would be an excellent car to own...especially if you can find one with full leather interior and carbon bucket seats.
my personal option would be a cayman !!! great edvice bro
thanks!
Your dead on. 10, 20, 30 grand MORE does not return MORE driving enjoyment most of the time. I have had and tracked 997's, 987's, 3.2's and a high mileage 986s was the smiles per $ winner of any of them. There are a lot of people buying porsches for prestige - they need the new toy - enthusiasts want the fun experience.
0:23 That's a sexy E39 M5 in the background!
Great advice!
So are you keeping it?
+Daniel Yoo TBD Daniel. It all depends if I'll be moving in the next year. I won't know until Feb or March.
$20K to $30K ++ to own a recent Porsche? You guys are lucky. I'm in Malaysia there is no way I can get a used Porsche for anything below USD100K for less than 10 years old car. Thanks to the government and the cronies that monopolize the car import industries.
Buy a new car with long warranty and you will always be 😁 happy....... like dreaming about having a Porsche. But I also really enjoy watching my bank balance grow, and watching my bank balance grow gives me so much enjoyment
I was going to buy a 997 but I bought a Lexus isf no regrets !