I feel like it does strengthen the arms, but so much more. Alignment is big, proper angles, force lines. Teaches body to work as a unit. Footwork, pivoting, also rooting and stance strength. Also pushing and pulling force and inch punch power. Sometimes I do freestyle attacks and flows, and other times I put on boxing gloves and flow around punching it ,also elbows, deflections, entries, etc. Also the dummy helps train recovery techniques and counter attacks. And more, open your mind as you practice and who knows what all new things you discover.
There is definitely an irony in the application of trapping in that it might not work as a defense against strikes but it really does work in bjj where arm control is crucial. Moving away from striking angles is bang on because the human eye/brain just can't react in time.
@@aardvarkhendricks6555 yes. I retired from regular bjj a while back due to age and persistent injuries but people commented on how frustrating they found it when fighting for sleeve control-essentially my trapping style reactions.
I will also add to my original comment that trapping, like body shots and shooting in, has to be set up. When people criticise trapping they are looking at it from a jabbing range whereas it comes into play much closer: elbow range.
@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 I see. I dont really find wing chun useful for instructing self defense but I would be lying if I said it didn't have any applicability. As most critics point out, wing chun doesn't effectively deal with jabs and feints. The trapping range isnt a range you will be trying to stay in if you arent effective with the trap. More often then not, as soon as people enter the grappling range they instinctively go for a head clinch, body clinch or move away. On the ground however, you really cant move away as effectively so I can see how wing chun trapping could be applied in bjj. I'll try to incorporate this idea once lockdown ends. Thank you for your response.
@@aardvarkhendricks6555 The trapping I learnt came from jeet kune which is a more stripped down approach. The trapping is designed to flow into a clinch then a takedown. The mistake that a fair few people make is to assume that mma/Boxing/ bjj simulates a real life assault which they don't. No doubt a boxer's punches and movement are effective as are takedowns and locks and chokes. However, bjj, boxing and mma are sports with rules and timings. A real life assault is unpredictable and unorthodox, without gloves and gumshields and maybe with weapons. More traditional arts have their roots in dealing with real life combat. They may have gone astray from those roots but the principles apply. Consider a defense against a punch: you could catch or parry but a counter punch to the bicep will not only block the punch but render that arm immobile. Likewise, pulling guard is a good strategy in bjj but not a move to pull in a street based assault where a more violent takedown might serve you better.
Something about Wing Chun is always inspire me so much and think about how much i love the technique and looking into it just make me proud of being a martial art student, and also i don't like calling a wooden dummy i call it wooden man instead cause it make more sense to it and i actually made my own wooden man it seem very cool. But if wasn't Donnie yen playing as Ip man or the history of Ip man i wouldn't even learning Wing Chun by now and can't wait to see Ip Man 4.
One of the best pieces of video I've seen on the Muk Yan Jong. It's sad to see a lot of content out on youtube or social media that are based on going fast and hacking away at the Jong. And that includes a few of the Masters. All what you've shared here are great pointers on what you're really developing. Not a lot of people ever talk about the use of footwork and angles in Wing Chun, only a few. All elements of a fight. I use the term "Block" lightly when I'm instructing, but my previous teacher says one of the best blocks is a step. Thanks for sharing
I always wanted to train with a wooden dummy. Some people made dummies out of PVC pipe yet they function well. What are your thoughts on PVC wooden dummies?
Austin Hamby PVC dummies are great when they’re made well. Our philosophy is that there’s no substitute for lots of practice, so don’t worry about having the perfect dummy. Get a decent one, learn it, and practice, practice, practice. Thanks for watching and great question
7:34 Because J. We should be hitting simultaneously on an interception beat where you use one of our famous shapes. We hit. Then keep hitting until it’s over or we crash and flow again.
I like to hit mine with authority and it does condition the arms..Also, when I hit, I go for Dim Mak points for maximum effect..A fight shouldn't last more than a few seconds so it's important to hit hard like your life depends on it..If he doesn't fall after 3 solid hits, better to shoot him...
You are right sifu . You are are looking for te "cool moves" they will never come BUT if you don't think about it and you need it , somehow these moves will come automatically and as you said, , often in grabling range .
It can. It’s especially helpful in developing good structure and close-range footwork in cluttered environments. As always, you get out of things what you put into them, so I suggest you learn the empty hand forms as well as the Dummy in order to get the best out of it. Best of luck to you and thanks for watching.
Would you say that the trapping part of Wing Chun should be an after thought? What I mean is people are always seeking for a specific outcome leaving them inflexible to what is at hand during the situation either waiting to catch a move or doing a move yourself and it not going as planned. Instead people should just be moving and striking and if contact is made reflexively they could go into a Wing Chun move and if it happens then great but if it doesn't at least you're moving and striking rather then waiting for that one thing to work for you.
LunaticReason that’s a very accurate assessment, so yes. The emphasis should be on moving and hitting as a way of control - which is to say, a way to shut down the attacker’s offense. This leads to “bridge control” or Wing Chun clinching where you can hold and hit, push, pull, kick, etc. Since it’s such short range (a close quarter sudden attack) all three are often in play nearly at once - footwork, hitting and clinching. This works to take the initiative away from the enemy and shut down his offense. So, yes, in all, you’re dead on!!! Good observation.
I was wondering if you can explain people with the what if what if what if you don't know what's going to happen don't know what's going to happen that's why we I tell my students stop chasing the arms
I've heard it said that the dummy should be handled like a instrument/guitar. Aka you wouldn't slam hard on expensive gear, especially if your friend/Sifu spent a lot on it... ❤
( THE WOODEN DOMMY ) . IS , A GREAT 👍 , SALINT , PARNER !!!! , IN , ( TRAINING ) .!!!!! . A , ( MUST ) , FOR , ( REAL ) , [ MARTIAL ARTIST ] .!!!!! . ( BRUCE LEE😎 ) , BEST , ( TRANSFORMATION 👍❤️ ) .!!!!!!! ......TILL , HE , HAD , GOTTEN , ANOTHER , ONE , IN , ( IRON - MENTAL ) 💪......😎👍....[ DOUBLE , YOUR , STRENGTH ] 💪..WITH , OUT , BOXING 🥊 GLOVES .!!!!!! ......
@True WingChun I most definitely agree with your statements! One day I'm going to create a hybrid Wing Chun Dummy that mimics boxing movements so that the art we so treasure won't B as handicap as some like 2 believe
Ok. So, most dummy training Gan and Quan are contact with forearms not fingers. Imo, this is gross motor vs fine motor. Once I leave fists and go to forearms I need less stress fragile fine motor skill. And, I can club without breaking fingers. Everybody wants to box like Tyson, but he broke his hand. WC dummy preserves hand life imo by maybe training me ti use them less.
I feel like it does strengthen the arms, but so much more. Alignment is big, proper angles, force lines. Teaches body to work as a unit. Footwork, pivoting, also rooting and stance strength. Also pushing and pulling force and inch punch power.
Sometimes I do freestyle attacks and flows, and other times I put on boxing gloves and flow around punching it ,also elbows, deflections, entries, etc.
Also the dummy helps train recovery techniques and counter attacks. And more, open your mind as you practice and who knows what all new things you discover.
Best comment thank you
I’m loving the dummy series, I’ve had your book for a while and have recently signed up to the online training program having purchased my own dummy.
There is definitely an irony in the application of trapping in that it might not work as a defense against strikes but it really does work in bjj where arm control is crucial. Moving away from striking angles is bang on because the human eye/brain just can't react in time.
That's an interesting statement you made. When you roll in bjj, have you successfully implemented wing chun traps?
@@aardvarkhendricks6555 yes. I retired from regular bjj a while back due to age and persistent injuries but people commented on how frustrating they found it when fighting for sleeve control-essentially my trapping style reactions.
I will also add to my original comment that trapping, like body shots and shooting in, has to be set up. When people criticise trapping they are looking at it from a jabbing range whereas it comes into play much closer: elbow range.
@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 I see. I dont really find wing chun useful for instructing self defense but I would be lying if I said it didn't have any applicability. As most critics point out, wing chun doesn't effectively deal with jabs and feints. The trapping range isnt a range you will be trying to stay in if you arent effective with the trap. More often then not, as soon as people enter the grappling range they instinctively go for a head clinch, body clinch or move away. On the ground however, you really cant move away as effectively so I can see how wing chun trapping could be applied in bjj. I'll try to incorporate this idea once lockdown ends. Thank you for your response.
@@aardvarkhendricks6555 The trapping I learnt came from jeet kune which is a more stripped down approach. The trapping is designed to flow into a clinch then a takedown. The mistake that a fair few people make is to assume that mma/Boxing/ bjj simulates a real life assault which they don't. No doubt a boxer's punches and movement are effective as are takedowns and locks and chokes. However, bjj, boxing and mma are sports with rules and timings. A real life assault is unpredictable and unorthodox, without gloves and gumshields and maybe with weapons. More traditional arts have their roots in dealing with real life combat. They may have gone astray from those roots but the principles apply. Consider a defense against a punch: you could catch or parry but a counter punch to the bicep will not only block the punch but render that arm immobile. Likewise, pulling guard is a good strategy in bjj but not a move to pull in a street based assault where a more violent takedown might serve you better.
Something about Wing Chun is always inspire me so much and think about how much i love the technique and looking into it just make me proud of being a martial art student, and also i don't like calling a wooden dummy i call it wooden man instead cause it make more sense to it and i actually made my own wooden man it seem very cool. But if wasn't Donnie yen playing as Ip man or the history of Ip man i wouldn't even learning Wing Chun by now and can't wait to see Ip Man 4.
Seafood Jason I agree that dummy is perfect for footwork and moving around getting angles I agree with you 100%
Thanks I wasn’t for certain about what the dummy was really used for: thanks for clearing that up making so much sense to me.
Glad I could help!
Yes,foot work is so important,.. move with a purpose 😎
Oh boy! “And do remember it is better to give than to receive”. Right!
One of the best pieces of video I've seen on the Muk Yan Jong.
It's sad to see a lot of content out on youtube or social media that are based on going fast and hacking away at the Jong. And that includes a few of the Masters.
All what you've shared here are great pointers on what you're really developing. Not a lot of people ever talk about the use of footwork and angles in Wing Chun, only a few. All elements of a fight.
I use the term "Block" lightly when I'm instructing, but my previous teacher says one of the best blocks is a step.
Thanks for sharing
I enjoyed this video I appreciate your comments on the wing Chun dummy
Dude your a real wing Chun teacher
Another great video! Thank you.
Excellent information thank you
I always wanted to train with a wooden dummy. Some people made dummies out of PVC pipe yet they function well. What are your thoughts on PVC wooden dummies?
Austin Hamby PVC dummies are great when they’re made well. Our philosophy is that there’s no substitute for lots of practice, so don’t worry about having the perfect dummy. Get a decent one, learn it, and practice, practice, practice.
Thanks for watching and great question
7:34 Because J. We should be hitting simultaneously on an interception beat where you use one of our famous shapes. We hit. Then keep hitting until it’s over or we crash and flow again.
I like to hit mine with authority and it does condition the arms..Also, when I hit, I go for Dim Mak points for maximum effect..A fight shouldn't last more than a few seconds so it's important to hit hard like your life depends on it..If he doesn't fall after 3 solid hits, better to shoot him...
LOL nice trolling
You are right sifu . You are are looking for te "cool moves" they will never come BUT if you don't think about it and you need it , somehow these moves will come automatically and as you said, , often in grabling range .
Flavio Napoleone absolutely! Thanks for watching.
Another great video sir 🤗
Well Said... Nice Work..
Well explained thanks 😊
Thanks from Texas
How about the much overseen kicks in Wing chun.. ?
I am a Karate student will the wooden dummy help develop further skills?
It can. It’s especially helpful in developing good structure and close-range footwork in cluttered environments. As always, you get out of things what you put into them, so I suggest you learn the empty hand forms as well as the Dummy in order to get the best out of it. Best of luck to you and thanks for watching.
Would you say that the trapping part of Wing Chun should be an after thought? What I mean is people are always seeking for a specific outcome leaving them inflexible to what is at hand during the situation either waiting to catch a move or doing a move yourself and it not going as planned. Instead people should just be moving and striking and if contact is made reflexively they could go into a Wing Chun move and if it happens then great but if it doesn't at least you're moving and striking rather then waiting for that one thing to work for you.
LunaticReason that’s a very accurate assessment, so yes. The emphasis should be on moving and hitting as a way of control - which is to say, a way to shut down the attacker’s offense. This leads to “bridge control” or Wing Chun clinching where you can hold and hit, push, pull, kick, etc.
Since it’s such short range (a close quarter sudden attack) all three are often in play nearly at once - footwork, hitting and clinching. This works to take the initiative away from the enemy and shut down his offense.
So, yes, in all, you’re dead on!!! Good observation.
I was wondering if you can explain people with the what if what if what if you don't know what's going to happen don't know what's going to happen that's why we I tell my students stop chasing the arms
Thank you
The reason why to teach the dummy formally is so to stop it getting messy then it gets diluted.
Alright funny guy, I give you one subscription!
I've heard it said that the dummy should be handled like a instrument/guitar. Aka you wouldn't slam hard on expensive gear, especially if your friend/Sifu spent a lot on it... ❤
Nice 👍🏾👍🏻
We don’t wanna block block block
( THE WOODEN DOMMY ) . IS , A GREAT 👍 , SALINT , PARNER !!!! , IN , ( TRAINING ) .!!!!! . A , ( MUST ) , FOR , ( REAL ) , [ MARTIAL ARTIST ] .!!!!! . ( BRUCE LEE😎 ) , BEST , ( TRANSFORMATION 👍❤️ ) .!!!!!!! ......TILL , HE , HAD , GOTTEN , ANOTHER , ONE , IN , ( IRON - MENTAL ) 💪......😎👍....[ DOUBLE , YOUR , STRENGTH ] 💪..WITH , OUT , BOXING 🥊 GLOVES .!!!!!! ......
Don't go to hard on the dummy, as ip man said might hurt your hand's FLOW!
You're correct Eddie, The Mok Joy Dummy is a great sparring partner. Applying it's applications would require great caution 👍
@True WingChun I most definitely agree with your statements! One day I'm going to create a hybrid Wing Chun Dummy that mimics boxing movements so that the art we so treasure won't B as handicap as some like 2 believe
2:50 Jason, you have much common sense and practability. Yes, this would be like acting on stage, instead of reacting in a fight. LOL
This is my ambition to learn about wing Chun.
@@AntonioCabaltera-i3h there’s nothing quite like the Mook Jong!!
I just want to hit the dummy and move around some :) Great video btw, makes a lot of sense.
thanks for watching!
Μιλάη σε ανθρώπους που γνωρίζουν αγγλικά εμείς αγγλικά δεν ξέρουμε κρίμα γιατί θέλω να καταλάβω τη λεη αλλά δεν μπορώ
Ok. So, most dummy training Gan and Quan are contact with forearms not fingers. Imo, this is gross motor vs fine motor. Once I leave fists and go to forearms I need less stress fragile fine motor skill. And, I can club without breaking fingers. Everybody wants to box like Tyson, but he broke his hand. WC dummy preserves hand life imo by maybe training me ti use them less.
Talk, Talk, Talk, but action ahhhrrg, nothing. Sorry my mind.
Spent over 5 mins just running hs suck.