Perfect timing! I was trying to decide between the two last night and then your video suddenly comes out of nowhere in my feed this morning! 😂👍🏾🙏🏾 🏴🇸🇪🇹🇹
Great stuff Ted! Seems like the Bergtagen has more of "heavy duty" zippers like my Keb Jacket (non Eco shell). Miss those on my Fjällräven Skogsö padded jacket which I otherwise just love at wintertime, best ever winter jacket I have had.
Thanks Mattias! it's funny how connected to these jackets we are, you use them in really bad weather and they become a part of you! as always, thanks for watching!
Thanks for your comment Jussi! it's really nice to see these comments and get noticed for the time you put it! I'd love to be able to have more time for it but I'm doing two jobs, and single parent at that and I feel that sometimes the quality could be better with more time! it is what it is! :)
Hi Ted. Fantastic review. Great comparison, pros and cons and demonstrating the differences with them both on at the same time. I was about ready to drop almost a months worth of pay to get both to solve the problem of not know which one to get, ha, but Ted to the rescue. Based on the video, the Keb would be my choice for what I would need/want. Have a good day and safe hikes. Peace.
HI Ted. Another compelling video, as usual. I ended up going with the Bergtagen for, among other things, its support for layering, deep hood and elbow reinforcements -- things that complement my backcountry canoeing. You're right about the velcro straps at the wrists: if I'm portaging a canoe in the rain, the loose wrist fit will be an invitation for the rain. : ) Looking forward to more videos. Btw, would love to see you join one of the backcountry TH-camrs here in Canada on a short trip where you can demonstrate various things. Would be cool. Cheers.
Thank you so much Paul! hey I would love that too, do you know any of them? most of them seem pretty down to earth, I think swedes and Canadians are a lot o like! it would be cool to go! :)
@@TedWeirum I know of couple of them, but the guy that stands out is "Zold Outdoors." He speaks about the wilderness, being outdoors, with unusual and eloquent simplicity, grace, insight and depth. Nature is his element. And, so in this regard I suspect the two of you would be very compatible...pretty impressive considering his relative youth. I recommend and encourage you to check him out. Perhaps start with "Nature Remains" (th-cam.com/video/R3p8po2HO8k/w-d-xo.html). He also collaborated with others to make this short film: th-cam.com/video/wrELuLr-IXA/w-d-xo.html --- If you do get a chance to watch him, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Oh, and by the way, check out his canoeing-type vids.
Ted, the thing about the "Nature Remains" video is that you'll find that the "adventure" in his other videos support his commentary in this one. I love his Clearwater hiking video, and I'm not even a hiker. I backcountry canoe. But, still, it's the same language. And, if you ever drop by Canada, it would be cool to trip somewhere... Cheers.
Thanks for the comparison. Do you work for Fjällräven? I’m not suggesting you’re just advertising here as your videos are always really informative and more educational than “selling” it’s just that you always get the latest gear!
No I do not, I had the opportunity to try some of these things but I do not own them, a few more reviews and then I will return them! Good question though!
Nice review as always! The thing that bugs me the most with Fjällräven rainjackets is the position of the ventilation zips. I think they would be way better under the armpits.
Would love to see same for the pants too. I tried Keb pants and I must say I loved them the moment I've put them on. The price tag is the only factor that so far keeps me from buying them, but I'm afraid not for long, hehe.
That was a very nice comparison video! I was sure of it already, but this video only confirmed it even more: I didn't make a mistake choosing the Keb over a year ago :-) The only thing that would make it even beterer are the reinforced elbows. That really is a great plus on the Bergtagen. The video itself, while still being stunning imagery, felt less "overproduced" then a previous time. And I really like that! Keep on rockin'!
Nice video brother. Think I'll stick with my Keb then and just invest in a pair of the touring trousers. Fjallraven UK will be getting more stock in soon 😁. Keep the videos coming mate
I have used the Bergtagen eco shell for several years, tested it extensively in wild mountain conditions . It is very tough and well made. However, in my view, it fails on waterproofing; in heavy rain water will come through the zips and even fill up the chest pockets with water! The zips need to be improved.
The chest pocket on the Keb jacket is awesome for keep a compact midsize binocular. Fullsize bino:s are still too bulky and pocket bino:s have too bad optics. So the stretchy pockets allowed me to go from pocket size to compact size binos at hikes.
Hej Ted, I Haven't talked to you for a while and hope you're safe!!! Question for you... I have been comparing a few shells for my long-distance hiking trips. I hate jackets that "Wet-Out" I have been looking at Arcteryx, Fjallraven, Mammut, Mountain Hardwear, and Norrona. As you know, I love FJ. In your experience, is the Keb Eco and Bergtagen really waterproof and will keep you dry? Like hiking Northern Sweden and Finland? Tack!
Hey brother, nice to hear from you again! In my experience the Keb and bergtagen jackets have kept me dry even in the heaviest rains, as you can see in one of the clips in the review for the Keb ecoshell jacket it’s pouring down, still we were completely dry underneath the shell!
@TedWeirum Hi! Will buy myself a new «jacket» for all year use in Norway. Consider anorak no. 8 or Ber dagen. What is your recommendation and why? I know the fabrics is different and usecase may vary a little.
Can you wear a regular g1000 keb or bertagen jacket underneath either of these ecoshell jackets in the same size? I'm wondering because I know that the keb ecoshell pants fit overtop of a pair of keb trousers.
I suppose you could, however I think it would be a bit too much with hoods and all, a fleece or some sort of middle layer is what I’d recommend if you’re looking for warmth, even a thinner down jacket would fit. Once you start to move you are often times good to go with just a T-shirt or a long sleeved base layer! Hope that answers your question buddy!
@@TedWeirum I think that the designers could have made it so that these duel jackets fit each other and that is why the shell is so light weight. You can easily pack the shell into a side carrying bag. It is my impression that I am to attempt to complete the outfit, so far having keb trousers and keb ecoshell pants. Now I need the top half. The jacket to wear is the keb or bertagen jacket and when it is harder conditions than add the ecoshells. Ofcourse people will do other things but at least it might be understood that this is the way to complete these two families of clothing. I myself have a snug fitting keb ecoshell anarok but I did not conceive of this before I bought that but it's okay, I can go in the opposite direction with the anorak no. 8 as the outer coat, it works.
I was really excited and waiting for this video. Checked TH-cam everyday if I just missed the notification 😅 great comparison but I’m still not sure as I really like both of them. By the way how was your trip up north?
Thanks Fredric! I think you get the biggest bang for the buck if you go with the keb jacket, hopefully you can try them both out and then you can decide. The trip was great, theres a video coming about that soon to, first a pair of trousers... a lot of videos to be made now! :)
Oh yeah that’s a problem I guess 😅 started to train and get some outdoor experience cause that’s my main goal till I get 30 ;) looks like a dream tour for me
Bergtagen has ripstop eco Shell, i dont think the keb has it. One minus about the keb, the seams on the bottom of the Chest pockets Are not taped. So after a looong day in the rain, the Water somehow found its way inside the pocket, through these seams... so my phone was waterdamaged.(did not have it inn the mesh pocket). Other than that, great jacket. But when i needed a new size (from medium to large), i opted for the Arcteryx beta sv.
Are you sure bergaten has ripstop? I couldn't find any info on it, love to hear about it! I hope you're happy with your new jacket! thanks for watching!
@@TedWeirum Materiale: Eco-Shell 3-layer Ripstop Stretch: 100% polyester From their homepage. You Will also see the crossing threads on the bergtagen jacket.
Hello, i am French sorry for my english, what is difference bergtagen jacket or bergtagen jacket eco shell ? Bergtagen jacket eco shell put use on winter season ?
With proper layering, would you say the KEB ECO-SHELL JACKET is a solid jacket for every day winter use? I live in WI and our Winters can be a bit brutal with negative degree weather. I currently use the Greenland No 1 down jacket but feel that the ECO shell is much more of a snug option for me. What do you suggest?
Tack för dina videor Ted, de är väldigt informativa och hjälpsamma! Nu när du har en viss publik, kan du få testprodukter från andra företag? Gillar Fjällräven skarpt men jag tycker att det finns en brist på information om till exempel Lundhags på tuben.
Hej Anton! Tack själv för att du tittar! Jag har i dagsläget ingen kontakt på Lundhags och kan egentligen ganska lite om företaget, är dock intresserad av att veta mer!
How long will the keb eco shell be waterproof. I think 2 or 3 years max. I have a GoreTexPro (tnf) also and it's holding water now, not repellant anymore. Curious how long my eco shell will last.
I’ve had mine for a couple of Years now and I haven’t done anything to it and it still works just fine, gonna put some dwr on it soon though! I think I’m at three years with it now!
Hi, very nice video ! What is the feeling against cold temperature (I mean up to 0°C) with these jackets (particulary the Keb Eco Shell) without a special mid layer ?
That’s all down to what you’re doing, I wouldn’t be standing still with just one of these jackets, they’re meant to be used with midlayers in colder conditions.
Hi Ted, thanks for your video. it is great and useful. I have a question need your support, Are these two jackets the same size as M? (Fjällräven Bergtagen Eco-shell with the Keb Eco-shell)
I didn’t know you guys in america had my favourite brand Fjallraven 😊. Really useful video thanks, as I’m just choosing which waterproof to buy for a boat trip in the artic in September.
I recently purchased the Keb eco shell and I'm super disappointed. Went to climb Kebnekaise (Sweden's highest mountain) on a rainy/windy day, and I couldn't get the hood to stay on my head for more than a couple of seconds. The wind was hitting directly on my face and it would push the visor up/back yanking the hood out of my head. I tried to adjust it every way possible but as I said, it wouldn't stay put at all. I also noticed that the drawcords on the sides would loosen up pretty quickly as the hood was pushed back by the wind. They don't have those plugs/toggles, I wonder if I am missing something here and there is a way to keep them fastened? I used to have a much cheaper jacket from Fjällräven (discontinued) and the so-called "storm hood" worked great. Too bad that they kinda fucked up the design on this model, especially at this price tag.
And to add to this I haven't seen a single video or review of the jacket being tested against actual wind (15m/s, 20m/s gusts?) in the mountains. Especially on a climb when you are at an angle and the wind will hit the visor from the under side. If you know of such review, please let me know!
hmm, it shouldn't be like that, I haven't had the experience that you mention and I have been out in windy conditions. just a shot in the dark here, have you tightened it on the back of the hood? there's a drawcord on the back of the head that you use for securing it to your head. you should also be able to use the drawcords in the front to secure the hood. maybe we can talk on instagram instead and we can share some photos to better understand? you'll find me at instagram.com/tedweiurm
Great vid! Just got the Bergtagen for 2500 nok. It will supplement my Mountain Equipment Lhotse jacket quite well. I'm sure it's heavier than other jackets but the build is solid.
Keb pockets and ventilation are more difficult to open because it has taped zippers. I find it quite odd that bergtagen does not have these as it is supposed to be a shell for mountaneering.
@@TedWeirum Well that´s cool. I just wasted 290 dollars on the wrong jacket :/. Bought one that was used one time for half the price... cant even return it.
@@TedWeirum I bought the one without eco shell. I wanted a water proof jacket. I red on fjallravens homepage that it was, unfortunately I didn't notice there were two very similar jackets... shit happens.
The Bergtagen having a longer length is so clutch. Keb has more pockets and better functionality, but the length on the Bergtagen is really clutch. Seems like a fumble not making the Keb as long now that I see it compared.
@SKiiTTLe5 hmm.. that might be the case then, I know that the bergtagen eco shell trousers come in navy blue and orange, maybe have a look at those and see if they match?
Nice video thanks. The one thing that stops me buying either jacket is they look so flimsy. After spending all that money I can imagine striking the ferro rod and burring a whole in the jacket on the first outing, haha.
I would go with the Bergtagen over Keb. I have orange Bergtagen and Teal Keb. Love them both but I feel safer in the orange since in bad weather you see it better. One big miss for all of the fjällräven jackets are the lack of reflectors. Given that it should be a no brained since a reflector is the “cheapest health insurance” as they say. Also the Bergtagen trousers have no way to adjust the height or tightness of the leg-ends. I find it very weird since I’m average height of woman (165) and the trousers are made for some 175-185cm person. So I have to use strap-around to keep the extra 15cm leg-end from getting under my shoes. Quite frustrating to be honest. But discarding those, they are very very very good clothes.
I understand your point but keb is made for use in the forest and so reflectors are not that important of course if you wan't a reflector just add one. For me (owning a keb jacket) I don't want a reflector on it since it affects the way it looks negatively.
Ted Weirum You have such so good comparison video that there is not much to add. Btw, awesome camera drives and angles. I had to check out your other videos and now you have one subscriber more! Keep up the good work! Maybe you can utilize more of your family the since I have a feeling there is not many channels that are looking the hiking from the family perspective. Or maybe not, it’s up to you and your family. Just a thought.
Post Marlone your argument is intriguing since I found my self debating about it but obviously I was too biased since I could not find enough arguments against reflectors particularly in non-camouflage Fjällräven product. Could you be so kind and describe more how it effects negatively: What was you initial thought when one is talking about a reflector. Your argument may be the key why Fjällräven decided not to use only Reccos but not “cat’s-eye” reflectors.
Correct, it’s because the hip belt of your backpack will get in the way of the pockets, it’s a less is more situation. The chest pockets however are still awesome and very roomy! Thanks for watching brother!
I just got back from a Fjallraven retail store and tried on the brand new Bergtagen Lite Eco Shell. It felt very Keb-like, and does not have the elbow patches. One thing I looked for because of this video was the velcro on the wrists. I am happy to report that they have changed the velcro amount such that you can fully cinch it down tight, in the way you describe at 7:18. They're listening to you, Teddy! I was also disappointed that all of the staff in the store pronounced Bergtagen in the "Bergshell" way and not "Baitagen" as us true and proper Swedes know how to do. Shame! 😉
@@TedWeirum You need to tell your Fjallraven hookup so we get a review! Honestly, it seemed alot like the Keb Eco Shell, except with only one chest pocket, though I still haven't been able to get my hands on a proper Bertagen Eco Shell to try. It's significantly less costly ($375) than either the Keb($500) or Bergtagen($550) which leads me to think its probably the least capable of the three.
Why why why did not they include two regular side pockets??? This is the reason I am returning this jacket unfrotunately. It would be so great with those side pockets.
I understand, the reason is because this jacket is designed to be used with a hip belt backpack. There should be other options available on the website with pockets!
I will say, if you're using this as a hardshell for skiing or mountaineering, you rarely (never) end up with your hands in your pockets. Chest pocket is probably more accessible tbh. But to your point, it eliminates versatility for using it as a casual jacket (which is odd because let's be honest, we sometimes use our hardshells as regular spring jackets)
Excellent info on both. Thanks Teddy! Neither Bergtagen nor Keb Eco (size L) fits me well (the chest 45"), sleeves too long with my 6'1, so a little bit downgraded myself to the Haglofs Astral jacket. No regrets yet.
@@uaedf I have never owned an Alpha. I considered it but didn't bother to buy it. It has gotten a lot of praise (one of the best outdoor garment there is). But I didn't like that it is so short on the waist. I lile jackets that covers your rear! Thats why I went for the Beta. And also because of the handpockets. It was longer than I anticipated. As for the Beta AR, it has a weird collar and hood. Don't like it. I went for SV as I wanted a bombproof shell. I realy like the Beta SV. Great jacket for allround use! The Alpha is more a niche jacket for climbers (so I've heard).
If you are going to buy one of these jackets online make sure you have a decent returns policy. The sizing on these jackets is bizarre and unless you are of a similar build to Ted more than likely it won't fit. The jacket the guy is using (keb version) is extremely under-sized on him IMHO so it looks like it fits. I am 5' 7" (1m 70cm) and got a small, the arms on my jacket are insanely long in proportion to the body of the jacket, well past being practical for climbing etc.. where slightly longer sleeves are of a benefit. Its a real shame as the jacket does look to be amazing quality but I am going to have to return it.
Sad to hear that it doesn’t fit you! I was able to try mine in store and it fit great, I had the possibility to try it with layers underneath as well and size M fit me. Hope you’ll find a jacket that suits you!
@@yuzhao5048 I got a full refund so it's no problem, you are probably right a size XS may be a better fit but the one I had was reduced quite a bit, at full RRP I will give it a miss.
Awesome! I was really considering getting the Keb until I saw that they use leather for the logo so I’m glad that they offer a similar jacket without the use of animal products!
I'm not 100% positive, but I believe Fjallraven only uses animal products that are from animals that were already dead, no harming any live animals involved.
@@TedWeirum The base fabric of the bergtagen is Fjallraven's g1000, which is 65% polyester/35% cotton. There are reinforcements on the jacket made of 94% polyamide (nylon)/ 6% aramid (kevlar.) The Keb M jacket's base material is 63% polyamide (again, nylon)/26% polyester/11% elastane, with the reinforcements on the Keb being g1000 eco (same composition as the Bergtagen's g1000, but lower environmental impact)
Yes, so true. I have the eco shell from fjallraven and is a peace of crap. Gets super easy wet, no protection at all. Water penetrates fast and if you don't have a nice thermals wind will blow you as well. For almost 500€ is a big down for the swedish brand. Everything what they make is design is Sweden and made in china or Taiwan, from 13-15 years old children,but nobody told you about that.
Perfect timing! I was trying to decide between the two last night and then your video suddenly comes out of nowhere in my feed this morning! 😂👍🏾🙏🏾 🏴🇸🇪🇹🇹
impressive comparison between those two jackets. Every detail you shared is accurate. Thanks!
Thanks for noticing! :)
Your work just gets better and better: creative, innovative, humorous and informative. Always a pleasure. Thank you.
THANK YOU Andrew! it's great to get this feedback, really appreciate it!
Great stuff Ted! Seems like the Bergtagen has more of "heavy duty" zippers like my Keb Jacket (non Eco shell). Miss those on my Fjällräven Skogsö padded jacket which I otherwise just love at wintertime, best ever winter jacket I have had.
Thanks Mattias! it's funny how connected to these jackets we are, you use them in really bad weather and they become a part of you! as always, thanks for watching!
Thank you for this in depth comparison. Im currently looking for a hiking waterproof jacket and Keb Eco Shell is on top of my list.
my pleasure friend, glad you liked it! I think the keb is a great jacket!
Great episode! My shell is wearing out and i have been looking at both of these :)
Thanks Jens, I think you'll like it!
Thanks for putting your time and effort into these videos. They are always fun, informative and relaxing to watch!👌🏼😎
Thanks for your comment Jussi! it's really nice to see these comments and get noticed for the time you put it! I'd love to be able to have more time for it but I'm doing two jobs, and single parent at that and I feel that sometimes the quality could be better with more time! it is what it is! :)
Hi Ted. Fantastic review. Great comparison, pros and cons and demonstrating the differences with them both on at the same time. I was about ready to drop almost a months worth of pay to get both to solve the problem of not know which one to get, ha, but Ted to the rescue. Based on the video, the Keb would be my choice for what I would need/want. Have a good day and safe hikes. Peace.
Thank you so much Jay, I think the same, keb all the way! :)
Good review. Finally someone who makes a proper professional review of Fjallraven products (being a avid user of them).
Thank you brother!
HI Ted. Another compelling video, as usual. I ended up going with the Bergtagen for, among other things, its support for layering, deep hood and elbow reinforcements -- things that complement my backcountry canoeing. You're right about the velcro straps at the wrists: if I'm portaging a canoe in the rain, the loose wrist fit will be an invitation for the rain. : ) Looking forward to more videos. Btw, would love to see you join one of the backcountry TH-camrs here in Canada on a short trip where you can demonstrate various things. Would be cool. Cheers.
Thank you so much Paul! hey I would love that too, do you know any of them? most of them seem pretty down to earth, I think swedes and Canadians are a lot o like! it would be cool to go! :)
@@TedWeirum I know of couple of them, but the guy that stands out is "Zold Outdoors." He speaks about the wilderness, being outdoors, with unusual and eloquent simplicity, grace, insight and depth. Nature is his element. And, so in this regard I suspect the two of you would be very compatible...pretty impressive considering his relative youth. I recommend and encourage you to check him out. Perhaps start with "Nature Remains" (th-cam.com/video/R3p8po2HO8k/w-d-xo.html). He also collaborated with others to make this short film: th-cam.com/video/wrELuLr-IXA/w-d-xo.html --- If you do get a chance to watch him, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Oh, and by the way, check out his canoeing-type vids.
Ted, the thing about the "Nature Remains" video is that you'll find that the "adventure" in his other videos support his commentary in this one. I love his Clearwater hiking video, and I'm not even a hiker. I backcountry canoe. But, still, it's the same language. And, if you ever drop by Canada, it would be cool to trip somewhere... Cheers.
Thanks I willl! I’ll let you know when I’ve seen them!
You’d be the first to know! :) thanks again brother!
Thanks for the comparison. Do you work for Fjällräven? I’m not suggesting you’re just advertising here as your videos are always really informative and more educational than “selling” it’s just that you always get the latest gear!
No I do not, I had the opportunity to try some of these things but I do not own them, a few more reviews and then I will return them! Good question though!
Nice review as always! The thing that bugs me the most with Fjällräven rainjackets is the position of the ventilation zips. I think they would be way better under the armpits.
it's tough to find a good place for those zippers, especially when you got a backpack on as well.. maybe you're right!
Ahh trusty old Fahrenheit almost became the international standard for length aswell! Good comparison of the jackets!
hahaha, i had to do it! so many deleted comments from the original video, one can not resist! :)
Would love to see same for the pants too. I tried Keb pants and I must say I loved them the moment I've put them on.
The price tag is the only factor that so far keeps me from buying them, but I'm afraid not for long, hehe.
I understand, I think when it comes to trousers like this you have to see it as an investment, since you’ll be able to use them for a long time :)
That was a very nice comparison video!
I was sure of it already, but this video only confirmed it even more: I didn't make a mistake choosing the Keb over a year ago :-)
The only thing that would make it even beterer are the reinforced elbows. That really is a great plus on the Bergtagen.
The video itself, while still being stunning imagery, felt less "overproduced" then a previous time. And I really like that! Keep on rockin'!
thanks! I listened to one of my greatest subscribers and followed his advice! ;) agree on the elbows, it would be a great addition!
Nice video brother. Think I'll stick with my Keb then and just invest in a pair of the touring trousers. Fjallraven UK will be getting more stock in soon 😁. Keep the videos coming mate
thanks brother, I think you're doing the right thing, I love my keb jacket too! let me know if you get the touring trousers, I'd love to see a review!
I have used the Bergtagen eco shell for several years, tested it extensively in wild mountain conditions . It is very tough and well made. However, in my view, it fails on waterproofing; in heavy rain water will come through the zips and even fill up the chest pockets with water! The zips need to be improved.
Maybe this is where the Keb and bergtagen differ a bit, I’ve never had a problem with water in my Keb jacket.
Hi Ted, thanx for comparison. Which midlayer are you wearing and what´s the Color?
Thanks! It’s the Fjällräven Keb fleece!
Thank You for showing the jacket packed down. Appreciate the follow up from my request on the previous video.
KRIS MADE ME DO IT! :P no, of course my pleasure brother! glad you noticed it! :)
Ted Weirum of course! Would love for you to check out my Instagram account. I just started it so hopefully it’s decent enough @adhocadventurer.
The preferred answer... get both! Dusk for Keb and Hokkaido Orange for Bergtagen. 💪
The only way!
The chest pocket on the Keb jacket is awesome for keep a compact midsize binocular. Fullsize bino:s are still too bulky and pocket bino:s have too bad optics. So the stretchy pockets allowed me to go from pocket size to compact size binos at hikes.
Awesome feedback! I know I could fit a milk carton there!
Hej Ted, I Haven't talked to you for a while and hope you're safe!!!
Question for you... I have been comparing a few shells for my long-distance hiking trips. I hate jackets that "Wet-Out" I have been looking at Arcteryx, Fjallraven, Mammut, Mountain Hardwear, and Norrona. As you know, I love FJ. In your experience, is the Keb Eco and Bergtagen really waterproof and will keep you dry? Like hiking Northern Sweden and Finland? Tack!
Hey brother, nice to hear from you again! In my experience the Keb and bergtagen jackets have kept me dry even in the heaviest rains, as you can see in one of the clips in the review for the Keb ecoshell jacket it’s pouring down, still we were completely dry underneath the shell!
Ted Weirum which one feels more roomy to you?
I’d say the Bergtagen!
Would love to see a comparison for the pant version of these (both the keb ecoshell and bergtagen ecoshell pants)
That’s a good idea! I’ll see what I can do!
Thanks for the review. I’m looking for a quiet shell jacket for hunting in rainy British Columbia. Looks like the Keb will do the job.
I think so! :) good luck!
@TedWeirum Hi! Will buy myself a new «jacket» for all year use in Norway. Consider anorak no. 8 or Ber dagen. What is your recommendation and why? I know the fabrics is different and usecase may vary a little.
Bergtagen is more versatile so I’d go with that one
@@TedWeirum Thanks for your recommondation!
@meggerud any time brother!
Can you wear a regular g1000 keb or bertagen jacket underneath either of these ecoshell jackets in the same size? I'm wondering because I know that the keb ecoshell pants fit overtop of a pair of keb trousers.
I suppose you could, however I think it would be a bit too much with hoods and all, a fleece or some sort of middle layer is what I’d recommend if you’re looking for warmth, even a thinner down jacket would fit. Once you start to move you are often times good to go with just a T-shirt or a long sleeved base layer! Hope that answers your question buddy!
@@TedWeirum I think that the designers could have made it so that these duel jackets fit each other and that is why the shell is so light weight. You can easily pack the shell into a side carrying bag. It is my impression that I am to attempt to complete the outfit, so far having keb trousers and keb ecoshell pants. Now I need the top half. The jacket to wear is the keb or bertagen jacket and when it is harder conditions than add the ecoshells. Ofcourse people will do other things but at least it might be understood that this is the way to complete these two families of clothing. I myself have a snug fitting keb ecoshell anarok but I did not conceive of this before I bought that but it's okay, I can go in the opposite direction with the anorak no. 8 as the outer coat, it works.
I was really excited and waiting for this video. Checked TH-cam everyday if I just missed the notification 😅 great comparison but I’m still not sure as I really like both of them.
By the way how was your trip up north?
Thanks Fredric! I think you get the biggest bang for the buck if you go with the keb jacket, hopefully you can try them both out and then you can decide. The trip was great, theres a video coming about that soon to, first a pair of trousers... a lot of videos to be made now! :)
Sounds great! I’ll probably get the chance to try them tomorrow 😊 excited to see what you did there. Did you ever think about crossing the alps?
Stay tuned! ;) yeah sure, I’d love to go all over, it’s just time and money! :)
Oh yeah that’s a problem I guess 😅 started to train and get some outdoor experience cause that’s my main goal till I get 30 ;) looks like a dream tour for me
Jepp! Sure does!
Very nice review and you're looked more relax than other VDO. Thanks
Thanks Pun! I’m trying to relax a bit more but then I want to keep it short as well so you don’t have to waste your time watching me goofing around! 😊
Bergtagen has ripstop eco Shell, i dont think the keb has it.
One minus about the keb, the seams on the bottom of the Chest pockets Are not taped. So after a looong day in the rain, the Water somehow found its way inside the pocket, through these seams... so my phone was waterdamaged.(did not have it inn the mesh pocket). Other than that, great jacket. But when i needed a new size (from medium to large), i opted for the Arcteryx beta sv.
Are you sure bergaten has ripstop? I couldn't find any info on it, love to hear about it! I hope you're happy with your new jacket! thanks for watching!
@@TedWeirum Materiale: Eco-Shell 3-layer Ripstop Stretch: 100% polyester
From their homepage. You Will also see the crossing threads on the bergtagen jacket.
I was looking straight at it and still missed it, wow! Thanks for noticing!
Hi Ted. What is the colour of the Keb jacket you are wearing? Fog or Deep Forest? Thanks
Hey, it’s dark olive, don’t think they sell that color anymore
Hello, i am French sorry for my english, what is difference bergtagen jacket or bergtagen jacket eco shell ?
Bergtagen jacket eco shell put use on winter season ?
no worries friend, I'd say that the bergtagen eco shell is more water resistant than the bergtagen jacket. thanks for watching!
I just got the keb, do you think it can make it for snowboarding?
Great video btw! 🙌
Thanks brother! Sure, I think it could!
Is it only two available colours for Bergtagen?
Är det bara två tillgängliga färger på Bergtagen?
as far as I know yes!
Så långt jag vet så ja!
With proper layering, would you say the KEB ECO-SHELL JACKET is a solid jacket for every day winter use? I live in WI and our Winters can be a bit brutal with negative degree weather. I currently use the Greenland No 1 down jacket but feel that the ECO shell is much more of a snug option for me. What do you suggest?
Hey! Yeah, absolutely! It’s so adaptable and there’s room for a thinner down jacket inside if need be. Happy 2020!
Great comparison - Super helpful, thank you! Do you think a medium keb eco-shell would be too small for me? I am 180 cm and about 80 kilos
MHein thanks brother.. it depends on what you’d want to have underneath, best is of course to try them out in a store!
@@TedWeirum it would probably be a light sweater, but I will try in store. Thank you for reviewing!
Tack för dina videor Ted, de är väldigt informativa och hjälpsamma! Nu när du har en viss publik, kan du få testprodukter från andra företag? Gillar Fjällräven skarpt men jag tycker att det finns en brist på information om till exempel Lundhags på tuben.
Hej Anton! Tack själv för att du tittar! Jag har i dagsläget ingen kontakt på Lundhags och kan egentligen ganska lite om företaget, är dock intresserad av att veta mer!
Ted,
I think you need to start giving bad reviews in an attempt to drop the price and increase availability.
Regardless, another great review.
Thanks.
CJ, I think you're on to something. always one step ahead and thinking outside of the box! it's a good idea though, I don't like everything! :)
Nice comparison video. Thank You
My pleasure brother!
How long will the keb eco shell be waterproof. I think 2 or 3 years max. I have a GoreTexPro (tnf) also and it's holding water now, not repellant anymore. Curious how long my eco shell will last.
I’ve had mine for a couple of
Years now and I haven’t done anything to it and it still works just fine, gonna put some dwr on it soon though! I think I’m at three years with it now!
Hi, very nice video !
What is the feeling against cold temperature (I mean up to 0°C) with these jackets (particulary the Keb Eco Shell) without a special mid layer ?
That’s all down to what you’re doing, I wouldn’t be standing still with just one of these jackets, they’re meant to be used with midlayers in colder conditions.
Hi Ted, thanks for your video. it is great and useful. I have a question need your support, Are these two jackets the same size as M?
(Fjällräven Bergtagen Eco-shell with the Keb Eco-shell)
thanks! yes, correct! both are size M!
@@TedWeirum Thanks for your information, that is useful. I want to buy the Bergtahen Jacket but I worry about the length of jacket is too long.
Dude,
very good review and very helpful!
Thank you very much.
Thanks James! :)
I didn’t know you guys in america had my favourite brand Fjallraven 😊. Really useful video thanks, as I’m just choosing which waterproof to buy for a boat trip in the artic in September.
we all here live in Sweden :) but the do have it in the US as well! :)
...and congratulations on the 5k subscribers
thanks! giveaway video coming soon!
I recently purchased the Keb eco shell and I'm super disappointed. Went to climb Kebnekaise (Sweden's highest mountain) on a rainy/windy day, and I couldn't get the hood to stay on my head for more than a couple of seconds. The wind was hitting directly on my face and it would push the visor up/back yanking the hood out of my head. I tried to adjust it every way possible but as I said, it wouldn't stay put at all. I also noticed that the drawcords on the sides would loosen up pretty quickly as the hood was pushed back by the wind. They don't have those plugs/toggles, I wonder if I am missing something here and there is a way to keep them fastened? I used to have a much cheaper jacket from Fjällräven (discontinued) and the so-called "storm hood" worked great. Too bad that they kinda fucked up the design on this model, especially at this price tag.
And to add to this I haven't seen a single video or review of the jacket being tested against actual wind (15m/s, 20m/s gusts?) in the mountains. Especially on a climb when you are at an angle and the wind will hit the visor from the under side. If you know of such review, please let me know!
hmm, it shouldn't be like that, I haven't had the experience that you mention and I have been out in windy conditions. just a shot in the dark here, have you tightened it on the back of the hood? there's a drawcord on the back of the head that you use for securing it to your head. you should also be able to use the drawcords in the front to secure the hood. maybe we can talk on instagram instead and we can share some photos to better understand? you'll find me at instagram.com/tedweiurm
Great vid! Just got the Bergtagen for 2500 nok. It will supplement my Mountain Equipment Lhotse jacket quite well. I'm sure it's heavier than other jackets but the build is solid.
yeah, your'e probably right! build is solid so that'll make it worth it in the long run! :)
where did you get the jacket for that price? thanks...
thanks for your information about the jacket..... I'm really appreciate.... I'm from Malaysia....
Awesome brother! Thanks for watching! :)
Super helpful video, Ted. Keep up the good work :)
Thanks brother!
Which jacket is more suitable for summer time?
I’d say the Keb!
Another great review!
Thank you!
Keb pockets and ventilation are more difficult to open because it has taped zippers. I find it quite odd that bergtagen does not have these as it is supposed to be a shell for mountaneering.
I don’t know if it’s due to the snow, I’d love to meet the designers behind the products just to learn more!
Now im confused... are there two types of Bergtagen jackets? One in eco shell and one in G1000 Lite?
Correct!
@@TedWeirum Well that´s cool. I just wasted 290 dollars on the wrong jacket :/. Bought one that was used one time for half the price... cant even return it.
Ok, was that the one with eco shell or without?
@@TedWeirum I bought the one without eco shell. I wanted a water proof jacket. I red on fjallravens homepage that it was, unfortunately I didn't notice there were two very similar jackets... shit happens.
It does my friend, it’s a good jacket still but it’s not the same as the eco shell.. sorry
great side-by-side review!
Thanks bro!
The Bergtagen having a longer length is so clutch. Keb has more pockets and better functionality, but the length on the Bergtagen is really clutch. Seems like a fumble not making the Keb as long now that I see it compared.
I think that’s a good point!
Why doesn’t the Keb pant version come in any colors other than black…I have the Keb jacket in navy blue and would like to match them up
I think they do, where are you located?
@@TedWeirum I am in the states, Idaho specifically…online says the Keb eco shell waterproof pant only comes in black…maybe just for my size (medium)?
@SKiiTTLe5 hmm.. that might be the case then, I know that the bergtagen eco shell trousers come in navy blue and orange, maybe have a look at those and see if they match?
@@TedWeirum yeah they’re mountain blue I think or Hokkaido orange…neither match but oh well, sometimes that happens
I’m afraid so, it’s another thing with the regular trousers but the keb eco shell is a bit more rare!
Nice video thanks. The one thing that stops me buying either jacket is they look so flimsy. After spending all that money I can imagine striking the ferro rod and burring a whole in the jacket on the first outing, haha.
I have had the keb jacket, it is not flimsy! It took a lot of beating!
Thanks! I agree with Viktor, it can take a beating!
i want to get the keb eco shell just scared of the price tag feels like a big commitment hahah
I understand that, it will last you a long time!
I would go with the Bergtagen over Keb. I have orange Bergtagen and Teal Keb. Love them both but I feel safer in the orange since in bad weather you see it better. One big miss for all of the fjällräven jackets are the lack of reflectors. Given that it should be a no brained since a reflector is the “cheapest health insurance” as they say. Also the Bergtagen trousers have no way to adjust the height or tightness of the leg-ends. I find it very weird since I’m average height of woman (165) and the trousers are made for some 175-185cm person. So I have to use strap-around to keep the extra 15cm leg-end from getting under my shoes. Quite frustrating to be honest. But discarding those, they are very very very good clothes.
Hey! Thanks for your comment! Feature wise you think they’re the same or do you find big differences?
I understand your point but keb is made for use in the forest and so reflectors are not that important of course if you wan't a reflector just add one. For me (owning a keb jacket) I don't want a reflector on it since it affects the way it looks negatively.
Great point! I carry one with me all the time just in case I want to be seen but just like you I’m glad that it doesn’t have them
Ted Weirum You have such so good comparison video that there is not much to add. Btw, awesome camera drives and angles. I had to check out your other videos and now you have one subscriber more! Keep up the good work! Maybe you can utilize more of your family the since I have a feeling there is not many channels that are looking the hiking from the family perspective. Or maybe not, it’s up to you and your family. Just a thought.
Post Marlone your argument is intriguing since I found my self debating about it but obviously I was too biased since I could not find enough arguments against reflectors particularly in non-camouflage Fjällräven product. Could you be so kind and describe more how it effects negatively: What was you initial thought when one is talking about a reflector. Your argument may be the key why Fjällräven decided not to use only Reccos but not “cat’s-eye” reflectors.
Good video. Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Just wish tgere were 2 side hand pockets on both
I get what you mean, I'll be doing a review of a rain jacket that could be the solution for you! :) stay tuned
Som vanligt en trevlig video. Du är duktig 🤜❤
härligt mor, vilken jacka ska du ha då? :P ❤️❤️
@@TedWeirum Haha... ingen 😁❤
Have u lappland eco shell ?
I have seen it but never tried it!
No hand pockets? I’ll have to stick with my Paramo Helki and Pajaro. Be interested in your views if you can get your hands on them..
Correct, it’s because the hip belt of your backpack will get in the way of the pockets, it’s a less is more situation. The chest pockets however are still awesome and very roomy! Thanks for watching brother!
Ted Weirum Great videos,Ted. Keep them coming.
Thanks!
I just got back from a Fjallraven retail store and tried on the brand new Bergtagen Lite Eco Shell. It felt very Keb-like, and does not have the elbow patches. One thing I looked for because of this video was the velcro on the wrists. I am happy to report that they have changed the velcro amount such that you can fully cinch it down tight, in the way you describe at 7:18. They're listening to you, Teddy!
I was also disappointed that all of the staff in the store pronounced Bergtagen in the "Bergshell" way and not "Baitagen" as us true and proper Swedes know how to do. Shame! 😉
wow, really nice! I had no idea that they've made a lite version.. I feel the urge to tell someone.. :P
@@TedWeirum You need to tell your Fjallraven hookup so we get a review! Honestly, it seemed alot like the Keb Eco Shell, except with only one chest pocket, though I still haven't been able to get my hands on a proper Bertagen Eco Shell to try. It's significantly less costly ($375) than either the Keb($500) or Bergtagen($550) which leads me to think its probably the least capable of the three.
thank you
Nice video, what are the colors of your two Jackets?
not sure of the bergtagen, the keb is olive green!
Why why why did not they include two regular side pockets??? This is the reason I am returning this jacket unfrotunately. It would be so great with those side pockets.
I understand, the reason is because this jacket is designed to be used with a hip belt backpack. There should be other options available on the website with pockets!
I will say, if you're using this as a hardshell for skiing or mountaineering, you rarely (never) end up with your hands in your pockets. Chest pocket is probably more accessible tbh. But to your point, it eliminates versatility for using it as a casual jacket (which is odd because let's be honest, we sometimes use our hardshells as regular spring jackets)
Agreed, we sure do!
For me personally it hasn’t been a big deal, but I can totally see what people mean!
Thanks for this. I love Fjallraven clothing 👍
my pleasure brother!
reat side by side review! Thank you.
Thanks bro!
Great comparison! Realy wanted a Bergtagen jacket. but the sizing is just not for my type! Went for a Arc'teryx Beta SV instead. Sorry fjällräven!
Excellent info on both. Thanks Teddy! Neither Bergtagen nor Keb Eco (size L) fits me well (the chest 45"), sleeves too long with my 6'1, so a little bit downgraded myself to the Haglofs Astral jacket. No regrets yet.
Thanks for watching! hope it works for you!
Konspirasjon How about Alpha AR or SV, how are these in comparison to the Beta SV??
@@uaedf I have never owned an Alpha. I considered it but didn't bother to buy it. It has gotten a lot of praise (one of the best outdoor garment there is). But I didn't like that it is so short on the waist. I lile jackets that covers your rear! Thats why I went for the Beta. And also because of the handpockets. It was longer than I anticipated. As for the Beta AR, it has a weird collar and hood. Don't like it. I went for SV as I wanted a bombproof shell. I realy like the Beta SV. Great jacket for allround use! The Alpha is more a niche jacket for climbers (so I've heard).
@@Jallabird919 Any thoughts about your Arcyteryx now?
The keb one defo looks better
Agreed!
Köszönjük!
Ok?
@@TedWeirum Of course, it was very useful video for me, thank you
Aha! Thanks! :) wasn’t sure what it meant! :)
RECCO-reflex då? :)
har kollat närmre på det nu, tar med den funktionen i nästa video om bergtagen byxorna! tack!!
If you are going to buy one of these jackets online make sure you have a decent returns policy. The sizing on these jackets is bizarre and unless you are of a similar build to Ted more than likely it won't fit.
The jacket the guy is using (keb version) is extremely under-sized on him IMHO so it looks like it fits. I am 5' 7" (1m 70cm) and got a small, the arms on my jacket are insanely long in proportion to the body of the jacket, well past being practical for climbing etc.. where slightly longer sleeves are of a benefit.
Its a real shame as the jacket does look to be amazing quality but I am going to have to return it.
Sad to hear that it doesn’t fit you! I was able to try mine in store and it fit great, I had the possibility to try it with layers underneath as well and size M fit me. Hope you’ll find a jacket that suits you!
@@TedWeirum it's no big deal I am able to return it. Just a bummer as it's a really nice jacket. 👍
Sorry to hear it, I think you can have size XS, it is a really nice jacket.
@@yuzhao5048 I got a full refund so it's no problem, you are probably right a size XS may be a better fit but the one I had was reduced quite a bit, at full RRP I will give it a miss.
Awesome! I was really considering getting the Keb until I saw that they use leather for the logo so I’m glad that they offer a similar jacket without the use of animal products!
Really cool that you saw that and changed your mind!
I'm not 100% positive, but I believe Fjallraven only uses animal products that are from animals that were already dead, no harming any live animals involved.
I believe so too! :)
What is your chest size?
Enormous! I have no idea! Size M seems to fit me!
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Varför tittar du på denna nu? 🤪
@@TedWeirum den dök upp...❤
Spännande!
Both neither is worth that money it's nylon
Maybe you know something I don’t, how do you know that they are made of nylon?
@@TedWeirum The base fabric of the bergtagen is Fjallraven's g1000, which is 65% polyester/35% cotton. There are reinforcements on the jacket made of 94% polyamide (nylon)/ 6% aramid (kevlar.) The Keb M jacket's base material is 63% polyamide (again, nylon)/26% polyester/11% elastane, with the reinforcements on the Keb being g1000 eco (same composition as the Bergtagen's g1000, but lower environmental impact)
Yes, so true. I have the eco shell from fjallraven and is a peace of crap. Gets super easy wet, no protection at all. Water penetrates fast and if you don't have a nice thermals wind will blow you as well. For almost 500€ is a big down for the swedish brand. Everything what they make is design is Sweden and made in china or Taiwan, from 13-15 years old children,but nobody told you about that.
Ok, that’s news to me. How do you know that? Is there any way you can prove what you’re saying about how they’re made?
I bought fjällräven products for more than 20.000 Danish kr I didn't regret any of them but eccoshell doesn't deserve to be expensive 😉