Hahah, everyone is really good with details here so I thought I’d make joke about it! I’m still waiting for the backpack I wanted to show you, hopefully I’ll have it before the end of the month! Thanks for watching brother!
Lol. Blah, blah. Albert is a hilarious. I busted out laughing on his threat of going to the bathroom in the car. Great video. The review is top notch. That is a bomb jacket. Wishlist for sure some day. I have about 3 rain jackets, but would be nice to pair all them down to 1 complete all around jacket that does almost everything. Congrats early on 5k subscribers. The knife is cool. Peace
Thanks brother! Yeah he’s starting to have a bit of an attitudes these days! Yeah as you know I use the Keb jacket almost every day! Great jackets! Thanks for watching!
When I first saw it, I thought it was an editing glitch, but not Ted, he's a professional. Then I saw in another comment about the Fahrenheit screen flash. Went back, watched and sure enough there it is.
I have an anarok from Fjallraven. For such a light weight item it is warm and water resistant and can also be worn underneath a vest, but I think that when it gets cold here in the Winter in Canada than it is time for the Canada Goose parka (in camo). Fjallraven's light snow pants compared to the ecoshell pants? That is the question. Canada Goose tundra pants are very heavy and fairly hard to put on or take off.
@@TedWeirum I bought something called keb touring pants and they were a light snow pants that are easy to wear ontop of a regular pants. Only grievance is that they didn't have belt loops, they have a velcrow strap but maybe the suspenders would work with them. Anyway keb touring pants on TH-cam and the main Canadian Fjallraven site show a different product, which looks more like regular keb pants. It is a mystery...
@@TedWeirum The keb ecoshell pants fit directly over top of the regular keb trousers. If you go with treck tights instead of trousers underneath than the shell pants will be too long/bunched up (you can tighten them at the ankle too). They are impressive. Otherwise if not the ecoshell than choose a goose feather it looks like. Ecoshell is warm after your body heats up but not prior to.
Have you tried anything Berg-Shell yet? I’m interested in that new material as I’ve never liked the plasticy shells hence I stick to G-1000 garments. Interested in your thoughts on Berg-shell.
Ted Weirum I did see a little sling bag that searches seemed to suggest was a Ulvö. I haven’t been able to find any details on the products in that line yet though. Are they new and coming soon?
I think they’re on their way out on the market, I don’t know the exact date when all of these new products are to be released but I do hope that it is soon! :)
I was using it in two winter expeditions, Iceland and Norway. Trekking for 9 days with skies in polar weather. And it’s awesome, helped a lot. You should show us a impregnation process with dwr spray, and test. 👍
@@alexanderj4545 No, it was all good. After using it and washing multiple times. I put dwr coat, and it’s like a brand new again. Water just slips down
Hay Ted, i have the Keb eco shell. Is the Bergtagen a lot different, it seem very similar. Im really happy with the Keb. Just waiting to get a pair of the new touring trousers but there a bit difficult to get of in the UK. Great video as always.
Thanks brother, I’ll do a comparison video next so you’re able to see the difference! The touring trousers seems great too, no option to order from fjallravens website? Thanks for watching!
Sounds like you have a good reason to visit Sweden! ;) do you really want them? I mean, maybe we can sort something out? Dm me on Instagram if you’re interested!
Hi, Ted! I own the first iteration of their eco-shell (the one with single breast pocket, two hand pockets and no pit zips) and it keeps me dry in wet weather, however the fabric soaks up the rain/snow instead of letting it roll off. I was wondering if the bergtagen has this same issue? I have had problems in the past with my jacket freezing overnight because it is completely soaked, not to mention a wet jacket will cool you down significantly. Not something that is advisable when you're in the mountains. Also you showed the hood is very adjustable, but how big is it, would a helmet easily fit underneath while still being covered with the hood? Thank you.
Thanks for your comment! It will fit a helmet! I didn’t experience that the rain rolled of, but I managed to keep dry and warm. I’ll have a decent test on it next week when I’m going up in the mountains, I might be able to tell you more about it after that adventure! Thanks for watching!
HI there! I saw the jacket and I felt in Love - considering that I might have an expedition in Patagonia during Fall (Max 50° F (10° C) Min 38° F (3° C) Precip: 5.8 in) - would you suggest this jacket as a good fit for those temperatures and precipitations? if not, what would you recommend?
If you compare eco-shell with the market leader, goretex, event, neoshell, pertex shield, h20, sympatex, don't you jinks that's all perform in the field in the same way, that is they breath when you are dry and low activities and you get sweat as soon as you level of motion increase? At least this is my experience. I,be tried all the above mentioned fabrics from arcterix, berghaus, Lowe alpine, Rab, atagonia, Fjallraven (my favorite so far).
I think that the performance is around the same level for most of the brands you mentioned, however when it comes to fjällräven they’re hard to beat when it comes to the environmental impact and the work they do around that, that’s why I really like this brand!
@@TedWeirum I love Fjallraven too, even if I Italy is not so popular. Love their environment program as well. With Patagonia are my favorite brands. What I believe stood out thought is the Bushcraft style the design the cut and detail care of any garments, which, by the way, you describe perfectly in your reviews.
Hey Ted, I really like your gear reviews as I own, and love a lot of the same items that you’ve shown in the past. Very good job on your videos as well. I couldn’t help but noticing that even in your video the material of the jacket already got soaked with water, especially on your shoulders. I’m sure it didn’t get through as the 3-layer shell material is great, but the fluorocarbon-free DWR that Fjällräven is using does not do a great job from my experience. I had this problem with my Keb Eco-Shell, had it swapped with a new set of Jacket and Trousers twice, so I’m now on the 3rd set. Around two years ago I planned a 4 day trip in the Alps, knowing that it would rain a lot so I did some research for a solution and quckly found out that it’s still pretty commonly known amongst mountaineers, that unfortunately the perfomance of PVC-free impregnation is no match to the old, less environment friendly DWR, which is why some companies haven’t switched yet. I treated my Keb with such a product and now it works as exepected, but breathes as bad as the competition. It repells even after hours in the rain. I hope the environment friendly products get better soon but for now I thought people should know that this jacket does not hold up in extreme conditions. I have an Arcteryx Beta AR for example and the waterproof performance is a lot better. I live in the Pacific-Northwest and it rains a ton in the outdoors, plus cold temperatures, plus wind. The problem with the water breaking into the material is that in hot conditions the fabric can’t breath anymore. In cold conditions it means that a wet fabric cools your body even more. Both not acceptable even if the water doesn’t find its way into the jacket. I’d be curious to hear more about your experience in proper rain conditions with those two jackets. Maybe in the comparison video you mentioned in the comments?
Hey! thanks for your comment! I don't know if you've seen my video on the keb jacket, there you can see some places that ive been with it. how are the new products that you got holding up? From my experience the Keb Eco shell jacket has been great, ive taken it on numerous adventures and it never let me down, if you get a chance watch the Solo hiking in Padjelanta video, it rains a lot when im coming back to camp in the night, when I got back the jacket kept my upper body dried. ill see if I can mention a bit more about it in the next video! again, thanks for your comment, see you in the next video!
Ted Weirum thank you for replying. I watched your solo hiking video again and your shoulders and arms again look like the water broke into the fabric. This is what my sets looked like as well just with a lot heavier raining until the water even got inside. It’s not supposed to be like that. The fabric is supposed to repell the water so the material can breathe and your body doesn’t loose too much energy. My latest pair of Keb Eco-Shell jacket and Keb Eco-Shell trousers I’ve re-applied the DWR with a carbon-based DWR and now it works as expected. I really like this jacket for its feel and freedom of movement. Just in terms of performance my Gore Tex jackets are far superior when the weather gets really bad. Why I even mentioned this in your videos is that I could barely find anyone using the Eco-Shell in proper bad conditions while ascending a mountain or climb etc and you actually put your gear to use so I felt sharing my experience with you. I look forward to your comparison review. :) Happy trailing buddy.
Thank you very much! I’m going up against a bit colder weather in the next adventure but there might also be a risk of rain so it could be interesting to see how the jacket holds ups. I haven’t thought about the jacket soaking up water like you mentioned, but I’ll be thinking about it now and focus on how it impacts me, I’ll share my thoughts with you when I get back!
Hey, still haven’t gotten the chance to compare this jacket with the Arcteryx model, I don’t know if you’ve seen it but i used Fjallravens own dwr and I think it did improve the water resistance of my jacket, however I will say that this jacket has been with me for 5 years now and it wouldn’t be fair to say that it is like when I bought it. This is a fairly new material, I don’t know the life expectancy of it but it still works for me, but again not the same as it used to. I also hope that the environmental products will improve, we’ll see what happens! Thanks for getting back to me on this one!
Yup, enjoyed the video! Hi Albert! How’re you doing? Like all the others, I’m curious for the main differences with the Keb Eco-shell. I tried on both (I guess last year’s model?), but in the end I chose the Keb, because it was available in olive green. One advantage of the Bertagen could indeed the reinforcement on the elbows! Thanks again!
Thanks brother, glad you like it! We’re going out tomorrow to shoot that video, don’t know if I’m able to get it out before I leave for the mountains but we’ll see! As always thanks for watching! Albert is great btw, he’s growing so fast!
Other than the hood and the reinforced elbows whats the difference between this jacket and the keb eco shell? Also, if I buy one does a cute kid come with it?:)
Hahaha, we’re doing a comparison video next, there you’ll see all the differences and we’ll talk about what jacket to get for your needs! Don’t think you get a kid if you buy the jacket, I found this dude under a rock! :) thanks for watching!
Awesome review man! Recently got myself the Bergtagen Eco-Shell trousers which kick ass!! I have a beautiful Arcteryx Beta AR shell coat though so it's hard to make another shell investment like that.. Your review makes me want to get one though!!
@@TedWeirum That´s to be expected if its used. Think I got the ´feeling´ of the exo-shell longterm use by now and can decide to purchase (Bergtagen (Bergnuminn (IS))).
Hi Ted Have you had any issues with the eco shell not keeping the rain out? Have read quiet a few reviews about users of both the keb eco shell and Bergtagen (same fabric). A lot of them thinks the jacket isn't as good after the first wash and treating the material again. What is your experience?
I washed mine after a couple of years, the material had already been used a lot but i don’t know if it got worse due to the wash, I hope they told the company if that’s their experience!
Can this be worn year round, as with the Keb Eco Shell? I tried the Keb Eco Shell and it felt thinner than I would've wanted for mountain trekking. I get that it is a shell layer, but it didn't feel particularly durable. Is the Bergtagen a heartier, more sturdy version of a Shell, essentially the same thing as the Keb only stronger? I'm worried it might be too heavy to bring as a rain jacket in the summer.
I'd say it's close to the Keb eco shell, I've made a comparison video on the channel if you wanna know more. I'd have a look at the Abisko hydraulic jacket if you want a lighter rain jacket! :)
@@TedWeirum Yes, I've watched the comparison video. Fortunately we are the same height and weight, so the fit is very helpful! I'm sold on the Bertagen Eco Shell. Now to wait for the Hokkaido Orange one to come back in stock for size Medium.
3 months later I've reached out to Fjallraven about the lack of Hokkaido Orange for sale on the US webpage (its for sale on the other national pages) and the Fjallraven support person replied there are no plans to make Hokkaido Orange Bergaten Eco Shell pants or jacket available again to the US market. What the actual fuck.
@@TedWeirum Unfortunately I did not get the lite version, it just happened to be an online order that was returned to my local retail store in size XL, a proper American fatso size! lol. Tried it on when I was in there buying the Keb52. Apparently only Fjallraven retail stores in Colorado carry the Bertagen line of items, so I am out of luck with ever being able to try them on before buying. I guess the White Mountains of New Hampshire don't count as mountains to Fjallraven.
Ted, wondering when it comes to layering how much you can add especially in harsh or really cold weather? Also, how does layering effect size choice. According to Fjallraven's sizing charts I would be a large, would you reccomend going up a size if layering is necessary? Thanks for the great video. Jim
Hey Vincent! If you choose “your” size there’s room for layers, should you want to have a thicker down jacket underneath you’d need to size up, nothing I’d recommend unless you’re constantly going in that setup otherwise the jacket would be too big for “normal” use. If it’s really really cold it’s better to get as many thin layers underneath the jacket and then a good thick down jacket outside of the shell. Best of luck brother!
hi, Ted, i am looking for a hard shell but not very keen on getting a typical crinckly noisy shell like the mountain equipment lhotse or the arcteryx beta ar. Stumbled upon eco shell and the further research got me here once gain to your channel. can i request you for some long term review in terms of 1.waterproofness now, 2. how long can it stay in torrential rain, 3. drying time, 4. frequency of dwr reapplication, 5. do we have to use only flallraven dwr treatment or nikwax/grangers can be used as well, 6. what is your chest size and what size are you wearing 7. what kind of layering can be done under it. thank you and best regards :-) rohit
Hey! 1, it’s still good! 2, I’ve had it out for at least 3 hours without a problem. 3, well that depends of course but it’s fast! 4. The best is to do it 2 times a year, I don’t do it that often but it’s still good! 5 you can use others but it’s recommended to use Fjällrävens. 6 don’t know my chest size, i have a size M in the jacket
Not sure am I getting the Keb or this one for my Polar but this look freaking awesome jacket. Awesome reviews as always buddy ..wanna meet Albert oneday 😊
Thanks! I'm working on a comparison video so you should be able to see the differences there, with that said both are great jackets! thanks for watching!
Great review and they look great with the Keb trousers 😍 if I saw correctly in one of the videos you come from malmo? Is the woods right around your corner then? I plan on coming to malmo in May. Thought it would be more like a city trip but that looks like good outdoor material :)
Hey Thanks! yeah it's correc im from Malmö, I'd say that the woods is about 30 min away if you want to go to some place a bit more quiet! let me know if you come! cheers!
Very informative and endearing video. It is always has this very tranquil vibe. (Albert is a legend hahaha!) The editting is very good! It got me a bit confused as I initially thought you were wearing 2 different pairs of Hestra gloves! 😂
Hi Ted - how durable is this jacket against wear and abrasion? I just purchased the Orange version of this jacket and is probably my most expensive outerwear but is terrified of "damaging" it lol
@@TedWeirum Thanks for the reply! I now own the Keb Eco Shell Trouser, the Bertagen Eco Shell Jacket and just got another pair of Bertagen eco shell pants. Hope it will last me for many years! How do these fare in the summer (Canadian)?
Love the jacket Ted. Very disappointed that it’s not available in dark olive. Seems they dropped that colour on the Keb Eco shell too😡 I like the earth tone colours!
Greetings from NZ. Great video Ted. Looks like a very versatile jacket. I’m a 177cm fella with a 108chest. I’ve had fjallraven jackets before and found the sizing large. How did you find this fit?
There it is;) great review! Don't know how long you owned this jacket, but would love to see a review after some wear and tear. And btw: sneaky arcteryx primaloft🤔😉 You want to comment on the fabric. For me it feels a bit thin and not as bombproof as arcteryc SV jackets or Norrøna gtx pro fabric. Your take on this?
Hey! I haven’t had the jacket for a long period but I’ll be bringing it with me for some adventures to come so I’ll be able to tell you more about it later, for now I think it’s great, the fabric is superb! There’s an older video where I talk about the arcteryx pack down jacket! ;) I wouldn’t worry about the thickness of the jacket, but again, you’ll hopefully see it when I come back from the adventure! :) thanks for watching!
Another great video. Ted. Really appreciated your point about the ability to use the hood to withdraw, think and consider your situation. I've been in a few of those. : ) Anyway, my question is how would you subjectively rate the durability of the eco-shell?
Thanks brother! Yeah I’ve been in a few of those situations myself, it just takes the edge of a bit! Considering weight, thickness, water resistance and wind resistance and of course the environmental impact I highly recommend it! All day! Thanks for watching!
@@TedWeirum oOhhh, i have to admit that i do all my edits in my iPad with iMovie. My second last video I learnt (not at the time) that the new version crash the audio of you change the speed of one single clip...
Detta är ju också en jacka du kommer kunna ha under en väldigt lång tid, slår man ut det så skulle jag säga att det blir både billigare och bättre att köra en sådan här i längden, inte bara för dig men för miljön också, sen förstår jag vad du menar med att det är mycket pengar, jag håller med, det är absolut en investering!
Bought an eco shell jacket last year. Cost about $600. It was not fully waterproof in the first heavy rain that I walked in. A year later and having warn it about 20 times in heavy rain and now it is not close to being waterproof, with rain coming through the top of the shoulders on both sides and soaking under garments. I have used wash in re water proofing and this has not solved it. I have ordered spray on re water proofing but honestly do not expect this to make this jacket fully waterproof for hours in heavy rain. Sorry but the eco-shell jackets simply do not perform to the price or makers specifications in my experience. I would not buy another.
@@TedWeirum Wow, didn't expect a reply from you Ted - much appreciated! I'm going to give the spray on waterproofing a try, and make certain to follow the directions precisely. I'd prefer to get it sorted myself than bother customer service - it's just my nature. If this doesn't sort it then I'll have to reach out to them.
I fokin hate that fjallraven has removed their side pickets! And for NO good reason. They are not "in the way" when you wear a backpack, and they are sorely missed when you dont. MORE POCKETS PLEASE!
They have other models if you still want to have the pockets, for the more technical jackets I think it’s the right thing to remove them, have a look at the singi or Greenland series or maybe vidda!
Hey Ted :) Do you have any plans to look at the new Bergtagen Lite Eco-Shell series of jackets and pants?
People mentioned this to me, I’d love to! I’ll see what I can do!
do you like more the Bergen or the Ken eco shell jackets?
That will be the next video! Great question though! :)
@@TedWeirum Please also compare sizing.
Keb 😋
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@@TedWeirum look forward to your keb review!
Really professional stuff, amazing!
Thank you!
Now am drooling on bergtagen. Great review as usual Ted!!!😍
thanks brother! there's a comparison video coming soon! see you there!
Been killing it with uploads! Great videos these past few weeks! Liked the little half second Fahrenheit reference haha. Keep at it!
Hahah, everyone is really good with details here so I thought I’d make joke about it! I’m still waiting for the backpack I wanted to show you, hopefully I’ll have it before the end of the month! Thanks for watching brother!
Ted Weirum that’s great! I’ve got most of my gear set I just need a bag now. I’m excited to see what’s to offer!
Красавчики:)! Отец и сын! Это замечательно! :)
Google translate buddy!
Good guys! Dad and son together. It is wonderful. this is the best time for a little son.
Greetings from Russia!
Yes! Couldn’t agree more! :)
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Lol. Blah, blah. Albert is a hilarious. I busted out laughing on his threat of going to the bathroom in the car. Great video. The review is top notch. That is a bomb jacket. Wishlist for sure some day. I have about 3 rain jackets, but would be nice to pair all them down to 1 complete all around jacket that does almost everything. Congrats early on 5k subscribers. The knife is cool. Peace
Thanks brother! Yeah he’s starting to have a bit of an attitudes these days! Yeah as you know I use the Keb jacket almost every day! Great jackets! Thanks for watching!
When I first saw it, I thought it was an editing glitch, but not Ted, he's a professional. Then I saw in another comment about the Fahrenheit screen flash. Went back, watched and sure enough there it is.
I’m also having fun doing this! ;)
Great vid Mr.Ted
I like the hood a lot but I prefer a heavy duty garbage bag with slots cut out for 3 eyes and a nostril.
Weather looks amazing.
Thanks Mr. CJ! I have to try the garbage bag, great tip! :)
I have an anarok from Fjallraven. For such a light weight item it is warm and water resistant and can also be worn underneath a vest, but I think that when it gets cold here in the Winter in Canada than it is time for the Canada Goose parka (in camo). Fjallraven's light snow pants compared to the ecoshell pants? That is the question. Canada Goose tundra pants are very heavy and fairly hard to put on or take off.
Yeah the anorak is great, I haven’t gotten the chance to compare the snow pants with the ecoshell pants yet, hopefully someday!
@@TedWeirum I bought something called keb touring pants and they were a light snow pants that are easy to wear ontop of a regular pants. Only grievance is that they didn't have belt loops, they have a velcrow strap but maybe the suspenders would work with them. Anyway keb touring pants on TH-cam and the main Canadian Fjallraven site show a different product, which looks more like regular keb pants. It is a mystery...
Here: fjcanada.ca/keb-touring-trousers.html
HPCthulhu2011 hmm, that’s weird!
@@TedWeirum The keb ecoshell pants fit directly over top of the regular keb trousers. If you go with treck tights instead of trousers underneath than the shell pants will be too long/bunched up (you can tighten them at the ankle too). They are impressive. Otherwise if not the ecoshell than choose a goose feather it looks like. Ecoshell is warm after your body heats up but not prior to.
Have you tried anything Berg-Shell yet? I’m interested in that new material as I’ve never liked the plasticy shells hence I stick to G-1000 garments. Interested in your thoughts on Berg-shell.
So far just the bergtagen backpack and also the Ulvö rolltop, both great bags! But so far no garments!
Ted Weirum I did see a little sling bag that searches seemed to suggest was a Ulvö. I haven’t been able to find any details on the products in that line yet though. Are they new and coming soon?
I think they’re on their way out on the market, I don’t know the exact date when all of these new products are to be released but I do hope that it is soon! :)
If I can feel the cold wind on my back, does that means I need a better mid layer/insulation layer?
it could definitely be worth a try, like a fleece or something!
I need eco shell with bottom pockets. Neither keb nor Bergtagen has them. Which FJ jacket to pick then?
I’d have a look at singi jackets, I think they have something for you!
Take a look at Fjallraven hunting department. I think that jacket is called Lappland Eco-shell.
I think the Lappland eco shell has lower pockets.
Great tip!
Boom!
hy Ted, which trousers do you wear...? The orange one?
That would be the keb trousers!:)!
@@TedWeirum Thank you Ted :) You are awesome !!!!
My pleasure brother! :)
I was using it in two winter expeditions, Iceland and Norway. Trekking for 9 days with skies in polar weather. And it’s awesome, helped a lot. You should show us a impregnation process with dwr spray, and test. 👍
Thanks, great tip the only problem is that I haven’t impregnated it yet! I’ll let you know when I do!
Ted Weirum here is video from Iceland, you can check it up if you want. th-cam.com/video/aBlYIZXmTgk/w-d-xo.html
Greetings from Croatia.
Thanks brother, I’ll have a look! Love Croatia btw! :)
@@EddyCroFul Have you had your Eco Shell leak in some way?
@@alexanderj4545 No, it was all good. After using it and washing multiple times. I put dwr coat, and it’s like a brand new again. Water just slips down
Hay Ted, i have the Keb eco shell. Is the Bergtagen a lot different, it seem very similar. Im really happy with the Keb. Just waiting to get a pair of the new touring trousers but there a bit difficult to get of in the UK. Great video as always.
Thanks brother, I’ll do a comparison video next so you’re able to see the difference! The touring trousers seems great too, no option to order from fjallravens website? Thanks for watching!
@@TedWeirum Cheers brother. Just checked the UK Fjallraven site and they dont even stock them
Sounds like you have a good reason to visit Sweden! ;) do you really want them? I mean, maybe we can sort something out? Dm me on Instagram if you’re interested!
Hi, Ted!
I own the first iteration of their eco-shell (the one with single breast pocket, two hand pockets and no pit zips) and it keeps me dry in wet weather, however the fabric soaks up the rain/snow instead of letting it roll off. I was wondering if the bergtagen has this same issue?
I have had problems in the past with my jacket freezing overnight because it is completely soaked, not to mention a wet jacket will cool you down significantly. Not something that is advisable when you're in the mountains.
Also you showed the hood is very adjustable, but how big is it, would a helmet easily fit underneath while still being covered with the hood?
Thank you.
Thanks for your comment! It will fit a helmet! I didn’t experience that the rain rolled of, but I managed to keep dry and warm. I’ll have a decent test on it next week when I’m going up in the mountains, I might be able to tell you more about it after that adventure! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video! I’m curious about sizing, I am 180 and 81 kg, what size do you think is good? :)
I’d go L! More room for layers!
Thanks! :)@@TedWeirum
HI there!
I saw the jacket and I felt in Love - considering that I might have an expedition in Patagonia during Fall (Max 50° F (10° C) Min 38° F (3° C) Precip: 5.8 in) - would you suggest this jacket as a good fit for those temperatures and precipitations? if not, what would you recommend?
Hey! totally! of course you'd use layers underneath or above depending on the situation or circumstances and you'd be just fine! :)
If you compare eco-shell with the market leader, goretex, event, neoshell, pertex shield, h20, sympatex, don't you jinks that's all perform in the field in the same way, that is they breath when you are dry and low activities and you get sweat as soon as you level of motion increase? At least this is my experience. I,be tried all the above mentioned fabrics from arcterix, berghaus, Lowe alpine, Rab, atagonia, Fjallraven (my favorite so far).
I think that the performance is around the same level for most of the brands you mentioned, however when it comes to fjällräven they’re hard to beat when it comes to the environmental impact and the work they do around that, that’s why I really like this brand!
@@TedWeirum I love Fjallraven too, even if I Italy is not so popular. Love their environment program as well. With Patagonia are my favorite brands. What I believe stood out thought is the Bushcraft style the design the cut and detail care of any garments, which, by the way, you describe perfectly in your reviews.
Thank you so much Francesco! Don’t know if you’ve seen it but me and Albert drove through Italy last year, loved it!! 😊
Hey Ted, I really like your gear reviews as I own, and love a lot of the same items that you’ve shown in the past. Very good job on your videos as well.
I couldn’t help but noticing that even in your video the material of the jacket already got soaked with water, especially on your shoulders. I’m sure it didn’t get through as the 3-layer shell material is great, but the fluorocarbon-free DWR that Fjällräven is using does not do a great job from my experience. I had this problem with my Keb Eco-Shell, had it swapped with a new set of Jacket and Trousers twice, so I’m now on the 3rd set. Around two years ago I planned a 4 day trip in the Alps, knowing that it would rain a lot so I did some research for a solution and quckly found out that it’s still pretty commonly known amongst mountaineers, that unfortunately the perfomance of PVC-free impregnation is no match to the old, less environment friendly DWR, which is why some companies haven’t switched yet. I treated my Keb with such a product and now it works as exepected, but breathes as bad as the competition. It repells even after hours in the rain.
I hope the environment friendly products get better soon but for now I thought people should know that this jacket does not hold up in extreme conditions. I have an Arcteryx Beta AR for example and the waterproof performance is a lot better. I live in the Pacific-Northwest and it rains a ton in the outdoors, plus cold temperatures, plus wind.
The problem with the water breaking into the material is that in hot conditions the fabric can’t breath anymore. In cold conditions it means that a wet fabric cools your body even more. Both not acceptable even if the water doesn’t find its way into the jacket.
I’d be curious to hear more about your experience in proper rain conditions with those two jackets. Maybe in the comparison video you mentioned in the comments?
Hey! thanks for your comment! I don't know if you've seen my video on the keb jacket, there you can see some places that ive been with it. how are the new products that you got holding up?
From my experience the Keb Eco shell jacket has been great, ive taken it on numerous adventures and it never let me down, if you get a chance watch the Solo hiking in Padjelanta video, it rains a lot when im coming back to camp in the night, when I got back the jacket kept my upper body dried. ill see if I can mention a bit more about it in the next video! again, thanks for your comment, see you in the next video!
Ted Weirum thank you for replying. I watched your solo hiking video again and your shoulders and arms again look like the water broke into the fabric. This is what my sets looked like as well just with a lot heavier raining until the water even got inside. It’s not supposed to be like that. The fabric is supposed to repell the water so the material can breathe and your body doesn’t loose too much energy. My latest pair of Keb Eco-Shell jacket and Keb Eco-Shell trousers I’ve re-applied the DWR with a carbon-based DWR and now it works as expected. I really like this jacket for its feel and freedom of movement. Just in terms of performance my Gore Tex jackets are far superior when the weather gets really bad. Why I even mentioned this in your videos is that I could barely find anyone using the Eco-Shell in proper bad conditions while ascending a mountain or climb etc and you actually put your gear to use so I felt sharing my experience with you. I look forward to your comparison review. :)
Happy trailing buddy.
Thank you very much! I’m going up against a bit colder weather in the next adventure but there might also be a risk of rain so it could be interesting to see how the jacket holds ups. I haven’t thought about the jacket soaking up water like you mentioned, but I’ll be thinking about it now and focus on how it impacts me, I’ll share my thoughts with you when I get back!
Ted Weirum how did it go?
Hey, still haven’t gotten the chance to compare this jacket with the Arcteryx model, I don’t know if you’ve seen it but i used Fjallravens own dwr and I think it did improve the water resistance of my jacket, however I will say that this jacket has been with me for 5 years now and it wouldn’t be fair to say that it is like when I bought it. This is a fairly new material, I don’t know the life expectancy of it but it still works for me, but again not the same as it used to. I also hope that the environmental products will improve, we’ll see what happens! Thanks for getting back to me on this one!
Yup, enjoyed the video!
Hi Albert! How’re you doing?
Like all the others, I’m curious for the main differences with the Keb Eco-shell. I tried on both (I guess last year’s model?), but in the end I chose the Keb, because it was available in olive green. One advantage of the Bertagen could indeed the reinforcement on the elbows!
Thanks again!
Thanks brother, glad you like it! We’re going out tomorrow to shoot that video, don’t know if I’m able to get it out before I leave for the mountains but we’ll see! As always thanks for watching! Albert is great btw, he’s growing so fast!
I have a KEB jacket, not the eco shell version. Is the Bergtagen Eco Shell a slightly looser fit compared to the KEB jacket?
I would say so yes!
Other than the hood and the reinforced elbows whats the difference between this jacket and the keb eco shell? Also, if I buy one does a cute kid come with it?:)
Hahaha, we’re doing a comparison video next, there you’ll see all the differences and we’ll talk about what jacket to get for your needs! Don’t think you get a kid if you buy the jacket, I found this dude under a rock! :) thanks for watching!
Awesome review man! Recently got myself the Bergtagen Eco-Shell trousers which kick ass!! I have a beautiful Arcteryx Beta AR shell coat though so it's hard to make another shell investment like that.. Your review makes me want to get one though!!
Thanks brother! Appreciate your kind words! Yeah a lot of people I talk to seem to have the Arcteryx Beta, sounds like an awesome jacket!
Have yours Eco Shell leaked on the time used?
Small parts around the neck, it’s around 5 years now
@@TedWeirum That´s to be expected if its used. Think I got the ´feeling´ of the exo-shell longterm use by now and can decide to purchase (Bergtagen (Bergnuminn (IS))).
i've been watching your videos wondering which Fjallraven jacket to buy i want waterproof one is it that effective ?
It’s either the bergtagen or the keb! :)
@@TedWeirum is the lite version of the bertagen just as good ?
You give up some of the water pillars, and some of the weight, maybe the high coast rain jacket is an option to?
@@TedWeirum thank you for the help
Hope you find the right jacket brother!
Hi Ted
Have you had any issues with the eco shell not keeping the rain out? Have read quiet a few reviews about users of both the keb eco shell and Bergtagen (same fabric). A lot of them thinks the jacket isn't as good after the first wash and treating the material again. What is your experience?
I washed mine after a couple of years, the material had already been used a lot but i don’t know if it got worse due to the wash, I hope they told the company if that’s their experience!
I want to know is the fitting of this jacket athletic fit or regular fit or loose fit?
Loose! See the latest video!
Can this be worn year round, as with the Keb Eco Shell? I tried the Keb Eco Shell and it felt thinner than I would've wanted for mountain trekking. I get that it is a shell layer, but it didn't feel particularly durable. Is the Bergtagen a heartier, more sturdy version of a Shell, essentially the same thing as the Keb only stronger? I'm worried it might be too heavy to bring as a rain jacket in the summer.
I'd say it's close to the Keb eco shell, I've made a comparison video on the channel if you wanna know more. I'd have a look at the Abisko hydraulic jacket if you want a lighter rain jacket! :)
@@TedWeirum Yes, I've watched the comparison video. Fortunately we are the same height and weight, so the fit is very helpful! I'm sold on the Bertagen Eco Shell. Now to wait for the Hokkaido Orange one to come back in stock for size Medium.
3 months later I've reached out to Fjallraven about the lack of Hokkaido Orange for sale on the US webpage (its for sale on the other national pages) and the Fjallraven support person replied there are no plans to make Hokkaido Orange Bergaten Eco Shell pants or jacket available again to the US market. What the actual fuck.
Hey! You got the lite version! We can do a trade! :)
@@TedWeirum Unfortunately I did not get the lite version, it just happened to be an online order that was returned to my local retail store in size XL, a proper American fatso size! lol. Tried it on when I was in there buying the Keb52.
Apparently only Fjallraven retail stores in Colorado carry the Bertagen line of items, so I am out of luck with ever being able to try them on before buying. I guess the White Mountains of New Hampshire don't count as mountains to Fjallraven.
Ted, wondering when it comes to layering how much you can add especially in harsh or really cold weather? Also, how does layering effect size choice. According to Fjallraven's sizing charts I would be a large, would you reccomend going up a size if layering is necessary?
Thanks for the great video.
Jim
Hey Vincent! If you choose “your” size there’s room for layers, should you want to have a thicker down jacket underneath you’d need to size up, nothing I’d recommend unless you’re constantly going in that setup otherwise the jacket would be too big for “normal” use. If it’s really really cold it’s better to get as many thin layers underneath the jacket and then a good thick down jacket outside of the shell. Best of luck brother!
hi, Ted, i am looking for a hard shell but not very keen on getting a typical crinckly noisy shell like the mountain equipment lhotse or the arcteryx beta ar. Stumbled upon eco shell and the further research got me here once gain to your channel.
can i request you for some long term review in terms of
1.waterproofness now, 2. how long can it stay in torrential rain, 3. drying time, 4. frequency of dwr reapplication, 5. do we have to use only flallraven dwr treatment or nikwax/grangers can be used as well, 6. what is your chest size and what size are you wearing 7. what kind of layering can be done under it.
thank you and best regards :-) rohit
Hey!
1, it’s still good! 2, I’ve had it out for at least 3 hours without a problem. 3, well that depends of course but it’s fast! 4. The best is to do it 2 times a year, I don’t do it that often but it’s still good! 5 you can use others but it’s recommended to use Fjällrävens. 6 don’t know my chest size, i have a size M in the jacket
7 check out my video on layers and there you’ll see how it can be worn!
@@TedWeirum thank you Ted, your inputs are very helpful and most appreciated. Thank you once gain for taking the time out to reply.
Not sure am I getting the Keb or this one for my Polar but this look freaking awesome jacket. Awesome reviews as always buddy ..wanna meet Albert oneday 😊
Thanks! I'm working on a comparison video so you should be able to see the differences there, with that said both are great jackets! thanks for watching!
ted great reviews mate could you do one on the forest parka if you could cheerz
I’ll see what I can do in the future! Thanks for watching!
Really nice video, hi from Romania!
Hey brother! Thank you!
Am I right in thinking the material is quiet when moving around?
Goretex can be very noisy
This is quiet yes!
How packable is the jacket. Can you show us? Stuff bag? In its own pocket or otherwise?
great question! ill see if I can show it in the coming video!
Great review and they look great with the Keb trousers 😍 if I saw correctly in one of the videos you come from malmo? Is the woods right around your corner then? I plan on coming to malmo in May. Thought it would be more like a city trip but that looks like good outdoor material :)
Hey Thanks! yeah it's correc im from Malmö, I'd say that the woods is about 30 min away if you want to go to some place a bit more quiet! let me know if you come! cheers!
Very informative and endearing video. It is always has this very tranquil vibe. (Albert is a legend hahaha!)
The editting is very good! It got me a bit confused as I initially thought you were wearing 2 different pairs of Hestra gloves! 😂
Thank you! :)
which Hestra gloves are these?
Ergo grip
Hi Ted - how durable is this jacket against wear and abrasion? I just purchased the Orange version of this jacket and is probably my most expensive outerwear but is terrified of "damaging" it lol
I used it for the big adventure I did this year, it held up great! it's meant to be used! :)
@@TedWeirum Thanks for the reply! I now own the Keb Eco Shell Trouser, the Bertagen Eco Shell Jacket and just got another pair of Bertagen eco shell pants. Hope it will last me for many years! How do these fare in the summer (Canadian)?
You suited up! I rarely use rain pants in the summer, but I’m sure it all will do the work if need be!
Love the jacket Ted. Very disappointed that it’s not available in dark olive. Seems they dropped that colour on the Keb Eco shell too😡
I like the earth tone colours!
Thanks brother! Hope all is well with you! Yeah, looks like that color is gone, replaced by deep forest maybe?
Greetings from NZ. Great video Ted. Looks like a very versatile jacket. I’m a 177cm fella with a 108chest. I’ve had fjallraven jackets before and found the sizing large. How did you find this fit?
Hey brother, i found this one a bit large as well, you’ll see it clearly in the comparison video I’m working on!
Ted Weirum look forward to it. Although I have Nordic genes, height isn’t one of them 👍
I understand, I’ll see if I can get the video up before I go! Be safe brother!
Cool jacka..också..😁👍
Kul med nya filmer! Bra recensioner 😃
Tack! Glad att du gillar dom! :)
Är det nån egentlig skillnad på denna och Keb Eco-Shell Jacket?
Kolla nästa video.. :)
There it is;) great review! Don't know how long you owned this jacket, but would love to see a review after some wear and tear. And btw: sneaky arcteryx primaloft🤔😉
You want to comment on the fabric. For me it feels a bit thin and not as bombproof as arcteryc SV jackets or Norrøna gtx pro fabric. Your take on this?
Hey! I haven’t had the jacket for a long period but I’ll be bringing it with me for some adventures to come so I’ll be able to tell you more about it later, for now I think it’s great, the fabric is superb! There’s an older video where I talk about the arcteryx pack down jacket! ;) I wouldn’t worry about the thickness of the jacket, but again, you’ll hopefully see it when I come back from the adventure! :) thanks for watching!
Great video as always! Man h ave your editing skills improved!! Long time no see, cheers :)
Hey! nice to see you again! I answered your comment here first but then it didn't get uploaded and then I wrote you on fb... technology... :P
@@TedWeirum Technology is too delicate for human interaction as always ;) Can't wait to see the next adventure tho!
Thanks, yeah I’m hoping for a good one! :)
Sick intro... super nice med slowmotion
Why dit you buy this when you got the keb ecoshell?
Hey! I didn't buy it, I got a chance to try it out! I'll do a comparison video between the two and there you'll be able to see the differences!
Another great video. Ted. Really appreciated your point about the ability to use the hood to withdraw, think and consider your situation. I've been in a few of those. : ) Anyway, my question is how would you subjectively rate the durability of the eco-shell?
Thanks brother! Yeah I’ve been in a few of those situations myself, it just takes the edge of a bit! Considering weight, thickness, water resistance and wind resistance and of course the environmental impact I highly recommend it! All day! Thanks for watching!
@@TedWeirum Cheers, Ted. Will be trying it out in April. Will let you know.
@@paulhoy 2 years later, what are your thoughts? I am debating this and the Keb Eco shell for my year round mountain adventures.
5k congrats !
Thanks brother! :)
Arcteryx vs Bertagen. Comments?
Both good, personal preference if say
How many Fahrenheit does it weigh? 🤪
If you pay reaaaally close attention you can see that Fahrenheit pops up for one frame when I show how much it weighs! :)
Great review as always Ted! I like to get the material specs as You do. That give away is a great one! Go for a "sub storm"! 😁👍
Thanks! What program do you use for editing your videos?
@@TedWeirum oOhhh, i have to admit that i do all my edits in my iPad with iMovie. My second last video I learnt (not at the time) that the new version crash the audio of you change the speed of one single clip...
Aha, that’s great, you can do a lot with the iPad!
Härlig video..
Med er båda ❤❤
:) ❤️❤️😘
Awesome jacket my friend👍🏻
Thanks for sharing & atb to you Ted✊🏻🐺🍵
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Thanks brother! same to you, see you in the next one!
Those are some epic pit zips! Much larger than the Keb jacket that’s my hiking mainstay (at least they look much bigger in the video)
Yeah, somehow they just seem a bit easier to handle!
Trevlig video !
Tack Petter!
6000kr är mycket pengar för en jacka.
4000kr hade jag betalat....
Detta är ju också en jacka du kommer kunna ha under en väldigt lång tid, slår man ut det så skulle jag säga att det blir både billigare och bättre att köra en sådan här i längden, inte bara för dig men för miljön också, sen förstår jag vad du menar med att det är mycket pengar, jag håller med, det är absolut en investering!
Bought an eco shell jacket last year. Cost about $600. It was not fully waterproof in the first heavy rain that I walked in. A year later and having warn it about 20 times in heavy rain and now it is not close to being waterproof, with rain coming through the top of the shoulders on both sides and soaking under garments. I have used wash in re water proofing and this has not solved it. I have ordered spray on re water proofing but honestly do not expect this to make this jacket fully waterproof for hours in heavy rain. Sorry but the eco-shell jackets simply do not perform to the price or makers specifications in my experience. I would not buy another.
I hear you brother, I would contact their costumer service and explain your case and see what options they have available for you!
@@TedWeirum Wow, didn't expect a reply from you Ted - much appreciated!
I'm going to give the spray on waterproofing a try, and make certain to follow the directions precisely. I'd prefer to get it sorted myself than bother customer service - it's just my nature. If this doesn't sort it then I'll have to reach out to them.
Of course brother, I want you to be happy with the product you bought, we’re both same, we pay the money and we want the quality to be there
My man
:) thanks for watching!
I fokin hate that fjallraven has removed their side pickets! And for NO good reason. They are not "in the way" when you wear a backpack, and they are sorely missed when you dont. MORE POCKETS PLEASE!
They have other models if you still want to have the pockets, for the more technical jackets I think it’s the right thing to remove them, have a look at the singi or Greenland series or maybe vidda!
@@TedWeirum None of those have waterproof material tho.
I think you’ll see some good news this fall
3:46 Haha
:)
Now am drooling on bergtagen. Great review as usual Ted!!!😍