2020 Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled | First Ride

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  • In this video, we get some seat time in on the 2020 Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled. It's basically a stock Ducati Supermoto based on the scrambler platform. Is it too heavy to ride like you'd want to though?
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  • @chaseontwowheels
    @chaseontwowheels  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Here we have Option #2 in our Scrambler Comparison the Desert Sled. Yall make sure to check out the playlist so you don't miss a vid: bit.ly/2020scramblers

  • @yammienoob
    @yammienoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Big hype! I adore my Sled

    • @bountyhunter6722
      @bountyhunter6722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Look whose here MA BUSA BOI

    • @austinvest6872
      @austinvest6872 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he tries to be more of a Hyabusa MAN

    • @riderchaman6927
      @riderchaman6927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But do you go 6 gaer ?

    • @monkmoto1887
      @monkmoto1887 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      BUSA

    • @theronquiett7251
      @theronquiett7251 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      papa should I get a sled or or a dual sport for my everyday bike

  • @amirulazreen6198
    @amirulazreen6198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Attended the media ride in Thailand back in 2019, and the Desert Sled was just superb off-road. An awesome machine indeed. 👍🏻

  • @washedup_adventurer
    @washedup_adventurer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I got ducati desert sled dreams and a suzuki vstrom budget!

  • @Merkaba954
    @Merkaba954 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I sat on that bike that exact one at mountain motorsports in roswell a couple weeks ago. I love the way it feels under me. I swear it feels like a dirt bike compared to the 1100 one

  • @jessaphillips2846
    @jessaphillips2846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this bike it’s the best combination of off road rugged and vintage styling

  • @mylifeinthailand8751
    @mylifeinthailand8751 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A couple of years ago I rode for 4 hours to my nearest Ducati Shop just to have a ride on the 2017 model of the DS and couldn’t stop grinning. I couldn’t take out on the main road because here in Thailand they won’t allow it, so only had a small car park to slowly ride round

  • @Mikael2650
    @Mikael2650 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I didn't even knew that this bike existed until the other day, and now I'm so hooked that ist going to be my next bike.

  • @kuldanaipathompitaknul2001
    @kuldanaipathompitaknul2001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I own DS ver 2019. I would say its 70/30 road/gravel. Fast enough for highway and agile enough for city ride. I'm 6' and agreed with you on the riding position which is tall (and wish it a bit taller). Its feel like riding super moto bike than the naked bike. One thing I wish is have it a little bit shorter from front to back should have this bike take tight turns and u-turn easier.

  • @nairolfnednilruz
    @nairolfnednilruz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really like your reviews.. no idea why, there are plenty of them around but you hook me every time.. maby it's the way you talk or so.. or probabely because I can feel your emotions when you sit on a bike you like :) Between all the other yt's who review bikes, you are a real pearl. Don't stop, ok :)!!

  • @pdbordelon
    @pdbordelon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have this bike and I think this video exaggerates the weight of the bike and the transmission. My 2022's transmission is smooth as butter and the weight as been a non-issue for me on the street and on mild off-road use. Never even think about it. Also this bike is a hoot in the twisties! YMMV!

  • @NudaMan
    @NudaMan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If only they made a desert sled 1100😪

  • @Willy_Milano
    @Willy_Milano 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love that bike. There's another review where they tested it off-road and the exhaust broke off after a few hours in the dirt, so it does have a few details worth working over if you want to seriously use it for the country.

  • @TheLeonidas989
    @TheLeonidas989 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a perfect bike for those of us who live in Las Vegas

  • @esprokr99
    @esprokr99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the cafe racer version of the scrambler. This bike should come with factory option for the termi and an upmap, it’s spicy.

    • @kohls9891
      @kohls9891 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s not a scrambler if it’s a cafe racer

  • @austinvest6872
    @austinvest6872 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tammy has done several off-road reviews for the desert sled

  • @maybeerainmaybeesnow
    @maybeerainmaybeesnow 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review! I also have a WR250X and this gives me a lot of great comparison info. Maybe in the future I'll get a Desert Sled, but for now I'm still in love with my WR!! Thanks!!

  • @JaisiKarniWaisiBharniMynameHSD
    @JaisiKarniWaisiBharniMynameHSD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my favorite I already have Hero offroader

  • @bushy1962
    @bushy1962 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think that you really do know what your talking about , keep it up 👍.

  • @WStar4Life
    @WStar4Life 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I ride a Dorsoduro 900 and love the height. Able to see over everything except for trucks

  • @jbkilluh
    @jbkilluh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cant believe you forgot your buddy yam has a desert sled and has done tons of off roading videos.

  • @jessaphillips2846
    @jessaphillips2846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Actually Chase, they make a Monster 800 that uses the same engine so there actually IS a Ducati Monster in there

    • @jalex19100
      @jalex19100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Monster 797, another great bike.

    • @kiplambel4052
      @kiplambel4052 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. This was the engine in the Monster 796, years ago, but that bike had 2 throttle bodies. This Scrambler shares the Exact engine with the Monster 797, as Jason mentioned

    • @bongowit
      @bongowit 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also the S2R 800

  • @janmunkler3295
    @janmunkler3295 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's a lot of money for a 800cc motorcycle and it's heavy.I like the Ducati 1100 pro.Though the sled looks cool.I would split lanes on it cause it's a tall bike.And you can see what's ahead.I like how you did 121 MPH on that Mexican toll road ;-() Keep up the good videos Chase!

    • @waltercardenas8727
      @waltercardenas8727 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point, i find it very easy to split lanes on my Sled. It's very nimble perfect for LA traffic 👍

    • @GarlandGay7
      @GarlandGay7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was good to see that I could get up to 120. Just fun and you might as well try it if you’ve got one

  • @TheMotivationFallacy
    @TheMotivationFallacy ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful.
    Retro.
    Powerful.
    Dirt capable.
    What else is there?

  • @Moseswasntamerican
    @Moseswasntamerican 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe its just me but this bike with its weight seems better geared toward sand riding rather than dirt. The extra weight would help you get down further into the sand to get traction.

  • @bridgettemcconnell9034
    @bridgettemcconnell9034 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Full Throttle is the best looking Scrambler.

  • @braaaaaaaaaaap
    @braaaaaaaaaaap 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    haha your body position in the camera car shot. What you doin bruh? :)

  • @clancybassett4721
    @clancybassett4721 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should be wearing your berserker for this bike review bruzzzz

  • @MissySnipez
    @MissySnipez 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your comparison videos would it be possible to do an Yamaha MT series comparison video? I would really like to see what you think of an mt07 and mt09

  • @michaelmitchell3520
    @michaelmitchell3520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yammie noob owns one and has done several videos about its off road abilities. He basically says it's good for light off road

    • @Moseswasntamerican
      @Moseswasntamerican 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do we trust yammie?

    • @michaelmitchell3520
      @michaelmitchell3520 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eh, about as much as I trust most youtubers. He took it down to Terlingua I think and was able to manage the bike on some pretty tame double track. Looked like it was super hard to pick up when he dropped it since it's pretty heavy. If you want a bike to ride off road, I'd say this isn't it. If you're looking for maybe a more stylish adventure platform that you only intend to take on some gravel or dirt roads, it's still not the best option unless you really want a bike with an air cooled, desmodromic engine.

    • @yammienoob
      @yammienoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Sled is AWESOME for light trails and gravel. You can slide the thing around all over the place and it's super playful. I've got a KTM 250 SXF for the serious off-roading (I use it for MX and trails) and you're right, the DS is not a super serious off roader. But as a playful fun bike that can get it off-road, it's sublime. I've taken it on trails in Mexico, Big Bend, and trails in Austin. Thing's a blast.
      Oh yeah, it loves to do whoolies :)

    • @michaelmitchell3520
      @michaelmitchell3520 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yammienoob Spoken like a true Ducati biscotti boy! But yeah, the main thing that I feel like I would be super turned off by is the heat. Especially living in Texas and wanting a bike that I can ride in 90+ degrees without ending up with a nice seared sausage and meatballs at the end of the ride.

    • @yammienoob
      @yammienoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaelmitchell3520 It's a warm bike, no doubt about it. I don't love taking it out when it's very hot outside, but the 2 valve air cooled engine sounds make up for it :)

  • @waynegargan7884
    @waynegargan7884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    120mph....? Think your Speedo is set on KPH.. I have laid on the tank and pushed it hard for the ton.....Not a lot more.

  • @mylifeinthailand8751
    @mylifeinthailand8751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you have a WR isn’t that taller than the Desert Sled my KLX250 was

  • @handyman7297
    @handyman7297 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    what would be the thumbs down for this bike? how about mantainace? parts prices?

  • @TheVishList
    @TheVishList 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome Video. What’s your height ?

  • @JaisiKarniWaisiBharniMynameHSD
    @JaisiKarniWaisiBharniMynameHSD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My 200 cc Hero goes 60 on 3rd gear top speed 120 since mine is only 200 cc

  • @bekindalways7629
    @bekindalways7629 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Tenere 700 review?

    • @mt09madness
      @mt09madness 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would be good but it needs an off road section otherwise it's kinda pointless...

  • @mylifeinthailand8751
    @mylifeinthailand8751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A red shock spring would have been a better match

  • @mxg709
    @mxg709 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I purchased A new ducati multistrada enduro to tour North America for 2 years . It needed an engine rebuild after 13 months. I also met several people who had the same problem.
    The bikes aren’t reliable and their customer service blamed the engine issues on my dirty chain ( I rode 960 miles in 20 hours to a dealer) I had to get the ceo and the news involved to have them Honer their warranty.
    Only bike I ever regretted buying.
    Engine rebuild took 3 months. I live on the east coast bike rebuild was in in Seattle bike lasted 2 weeks then was back down to the shop for over a month in San Diego had it back 2 days and back to shop for a month got it back broke 3rd day I had it back which was my 1st day crossing the USA in 48 hours.
    Quality and Ducati aren’t friends don’t believe review videos that are 10 min long. Any bike is amazing for a test ride.
    I was only able to ride my ducati 20 days in the second year of ownership and not one of their dealers would buy the bike. Sold at a giant loss to a used bike dealer after a year of trying to sell it .
    Total garbage . Avoid Ducati at all cost .

    • @GarlandGay7
      @GarlandGay7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love my Ducati. It’s awesome. Definitely requires maintenance but it’s not that bad. 9000 miles so far. By the way you should have filed for the lemon law. That should apply to you in that case. Not an expert but that’s what I would’ve looked into.

  • @ducatifp319
    @ducatifp319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    to any sled owners, how tall are you and can you flat foot both your feet?

    • @mathias6423
      @mathias6423 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      6'6 easy flat foot.

    • @waltercardenas8727
      @waltercardenas8727 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      5-9 with original seat im on my toes. I bought the lowered seat & still on my toes but feel more confident that i won't drop it.

  • @abhijithbalachandran9656
    @abhijithbalachandran9656 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video guys

  • @lpete531
    @lpete531 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice video and awesome review 👌

  • @awrebyawe
    @awrebyawe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's like a more stylish supermoto, as if the hypermotard wasn't enough

  • @JaisiKarniWaisiBharniMynameHSD
    @JaisiKarniWaisiBharniMynameHSD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The exhaust is a bit low compare to other off-road bikes

  • @kiplambel4052
    @kiplambel4052 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I assume the 1100 video isn't up yet?

  • @lukerusse6304
    @lukerusse6304 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can I be honest for a sec? I like the first rides as well as most of chases stuff (I'm even a patreon) BUT, the completely disconnected car cam shots bug the shit out of me. When chase enters the highway and you can hear him speeding up but the footage is just him following some car it just looks terrible. I get that he might not want to film himself speeding but he then cuts to the helmet cam and the speedo is clearly showing him speeding. And it's like that every single first ride, why not just take the car cam out on the same run? I honestly don't care if you have to occasionally slow down to let them catch up. Rant over, sorry.

  • @GarlandGay7
    @GarlandGay7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Somebody please weigh in on this: better dual sport, Ducati desert sled vs Ducati Hypermotard SP 821 with dual sport tires and a skid plate??? I already have the Hypermotard. If I wanna do a little off roading and ride shitty Puerto rican B roads should I just get the tires and the skid plate or should I buy the desert sled?!

  • @MarcosDiegos
    @MarcosDiegos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like a nice bike, just needs a better paint job

  • @andwiseman
    @andwiseman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was hoping you'd just completely trash it to wind up clammy pube.

    • @BSBBandFitness
      @BSBBandFitness 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man yammie makes me want to own a sled

  • @NVK85
    @NVK85 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a test of that v-strom 1000?)

  • @RMSFAM09
    @RMSFAM09 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    wheres the 2021 already this bike been out for like a year already

  • @JC-vz5bz
    @JC-vz5bz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    scram icon review pls.

  • @sledzep01
    @sledzep01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What is going on @ 14:30? You are going so slow that you are almost falling over... And leaving off the bike? Try again without the camera car... Push the Bar and let it lean...

    • @bazonka1
      @bazonka1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, that looked really awkward.

  • @MotorCity_LA
    @MotorCity_LA 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is a sick a$$ bike!

  • @MuhaloTube
    @MuhaloTube 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dunno, I think you could spend the same money on a KTM for a dual sport dirt bike, or a BMW for adventure riding and be better off. Maybe if you just HAVE to have an Italian bike.

    • @GarlandGay7
      @GarlandGay7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought about that. But the 690 would be the comparable one. And that’s a high riding bike and it’s a pretty heavy dirtbike. Although I think that will be better off-road than onroad than desert sled

  • @YT1344
    @YT1344 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    WR250 has dirt bike frame and seat height is 4 in higher than this bike.

  • @brilwiljeff
    @brilwiljeff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It just says fun

  • @mylifeinthailand8751
    @mylifeinthailand8751 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My cousin would have done a wheelie in front of the Cop

  • @Desmodue803
    @Desmodue803 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whaat this thing is heavier than the 1100?! Dang!!

    • @esprokr99
      @esprokr99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Larger wheels and more dense tires. I believe the engines are damn near the same weight, so the 1100 isn’t much heavier than any of the 803cc variants.

    • @Desmodue803
      @Desmodue803 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the clarification bro! It looks a lot more beefy and heavy

  • @JohnnyXoz
    @JohnnyXoz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Word of the day is 'Methodical'

  • @daveday
    @daveday 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know how Chase gets away with speeding and not blurring his speedometer? Just curious that's all.

    • @jalex19100
      @jalex19100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hah! For some reason I thought he lived up in New York. But I saw that and thought “what is he, riding in Georgia or something?”. Sure enough...Georgia. It wasn’t the speed as much as how normal it looked with traffic. Classic Georgia traffic.

  • @mattrowe6394
    @mattrowe6394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chase this is the old Ducati logo in your thumbnail, you need to have the not 3D version dude. I have just purchased the Fanitic Cabellero 500 Rally which looks very similar to this, do you have any Fantic dealers in the U.S check it out!!! Would be nice to have a comparison :)

    • @mattrowe6394
      @mattrowe6394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@franklin23st because they are Italian like Ducati? They have been making scramblers and Mx bikes for over 50 years the mechanics are sound 😎 and the built quality is excellent

    • @mattrowe6394
      @mattrowe6394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@franklin23st they were ridden hard and most Caballero owners only do a couple of thousand miles a year. It's basically a hipster Motocross bike so the engine would need servicing regularly. The bikes come with a 2 year warranty and I have not seen any evidence of this from the owners group.

    • @01plumberman
      @01plumberman 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Fantic Caballero 500 engine is made in China where BMW also have some engines built, however, the Fantic is a gorgeous bike but big singles are just SO limited. The Ducati Scrambler ticks more scenarios, city, urban, motorways(highways), countryside and dirt. My opinion don’t shoot me down

  • @josemanuellealmarquez7612
    @josemanuellealmarquez7612 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    cuanto mides ? tu altura? escuche 32 in insem

  • @cbbloco
    @cbbloco 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    how tall are you?

  • @Benjay1975
    @Benjay1975 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    review is awesome if you mute the sound

  • @christopherbobson3527
    @christopherbobson3527 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've never been this early

  • @enerji-
    @enerji- 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it just me or was his chain bugging out in those side shots

  • @crude420
    @crude420 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    HOW TALL ARE YOU

  • @davidbass9655
    @davidbass9655 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know why it bothers me so much but that freaking cable sticking up on all the scramblers but not the cafe racer... WHY? is there a way to hide that like on the cafe racer model it's so much cleaner and nicer looking than a bunch of cables sticking up in your face...

    • @01plumberman
      @01plumberman 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The cable runs high for the off road riding. You can tuck it away on the cafe racer because it won’t be seeing the dirt 👍🏻

  • @zchirs1973
    @zchirs1973 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    这是泰国产的吗

  • @mylifeinthailand8751
    @mylifeinthailand8751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The DS is for everyone who likes it

  • @mylifeinthailand8751
    @mylifeinthailand8751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It isn’t “so fun” 😡, grammar - it’s so much fun

  • @alpap1980
    @alpap1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Chaseontwowheels
    Which one feels taller? The Desert Sled or the Hypermotard 950 standard version? Thank you.

    • @hiphopisdead
      @hiphopisdead 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They feel similar in terms of height but the sled sags more.... alot more... the suspension for the hyper feels so much better for on road use whereas the sled feels better for off road.

    • @alpap1980
      @alpap1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hiphopisdead the sled has 50mm more travel that's why it sags more. I am 5 7 aka 1.70 and was fine with the low seat on the sled but fear it will be too high for me even with the low seat on the hyper. Thank you.

    • @hiphopisdead
      @hiphopisdead 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alpap1980 The Hyper is too tall for you mate. I'm 6 1 ish and I could just flatfoot the thing. Can't imagine someone 5 7 on slopes and uneven roads.

    • @alpap1980
      @alpap1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hiphopisdead I was ok with the Desert Sled that's why I am asking how those two compare. if there is a significant difference then you are right...

    • @mathias6423
      @mathias6423 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hiphopisdead It is true that the sled sits a bit more on its ass, hypermotard is higher in the back and stiffer. But you can fully adjust the Desert Sled to make it stiffer and still work pretty good off road. It depends on how much you weigh aswell.

  • @michaelfrancis-vb7tp
    @michaelfrancis-vb7tp ปีที่แล้ว

    That might be my next wife lol

  • @NateTillsonn
    @NateTillsonn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anybody know Chase's height?

    • @chrisc.8018
      @chrisc.8018 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He said he has a 32" inseam. I'm an owner, 5 '9" , same inseam. The bike is a bit tall but is very easy to ride. Took 1" from the seat, now is perfect.

  • @54321kola
    @54321kola 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pút it on offroad pls.

  • @Nocturnal.Paradox
    @Nocturnal.Paradox 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oooooh

  • @K0r0n3
    @K0r0n3 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Second

  • @leondaignault6640
    @leondaignault6640 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    third

  • @red9350
    @red9350 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Idk, it looks a bit... generic

  • @grog5264
    @grog5264 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    First

  • @richardw5050
    @richardw5050 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This may be the 1st Chase video I’ve disliked. The appear is the mild off road capability and you skip it altogether. I would rather you not review it and just tell us it’s an option

  • @TheHomeExpert5
    @TheHomeExpert5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The cables jutting above the instrumentation is disgraceful and hideous. The instrumentation also sucks, and should consist of two clocks, one speedometer and one tachometer. Not that LCD nonsense crapola.

  • @pmieng4640
    @pmieng4640 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guy can’t ride

  • @elithegreat6463
    @elithegreat6463 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Remember folks, all these Scramblers from Ducati are put together in Thailand, so quality at be an issue 🙄🤷‍♂️

    • @jake6080
      @jake6080 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      just because they aren’t made in Europe doesn’t mean they’ll lack in quality, they are still ducati

    • @elithegreat6463
      @elithegreat6463 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jake
      Perhaps, but I prefer not to have my bikes made by some village dude making $1.50 a day , but that’s just me 🙄👎

    • @jake6080
      @jake6080 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      FXDR-S1000R Eli C. fair enough, it’s all about preference and what your happy with :) but at the end of the day riding is riding, you do it because you love it

    • @Desmodue803
      @Desmodue803 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not the Flat Track bud

    • @bryankc9644
      @bryankc9644 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So is my 400. I trust Thai manufacturing over Italian.

  • @mt09madness
    @mt09madness 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it come in another colour? That scheme is butt ugly...