Note - PC Principal calls Miles "Black Spider-Man," but Kyle and Stan call him "Miles Morales." PC Principal doesn't value him as a character beyond "diversity," while Kyle and Stan (often the voices of the show) value him as his own character with his own narrative.
@@alyssapinon9670 Yep. And using his name (Miles Morales) also allows Kyle and Stan/Matt and Trey to make their point absolutely clear to anyone who has an ounce of media literacy - they don't have a problem with diverse characters, or even diverse legacy characters, but taking an existing character (Cartman, often the voice of values opposed to the show, such as censorship, racism, and authoritarianism) and "putting a black woman in it" is just lazy.
Precisely the point. We all love good characters that happen to be black. They’re multifaceted individuals with depth and substance. Not black characters designed to fill a diversity quota and recite woke’ism like an NPC drone substitute for the writer.
I think the voice actresses for Panderverse Cartman and Butters absolutely nailed their inflections and mannerisms. But I really wanted to see Panderverse Tolkien and Nicole for curiosity's sake.
I have a strong feeling that, in the same vein as everything else in the Panderverse, they would be a stereotypically-portrayed transgender white couple.
I feel like it would be comical in a fucked up way if every character who were CHANGED to be a minority get BETTER representation than those who were ORIGINALLY a minority, considering that most fandoms would change a popular character’s race, sexuality, gender identity, disability, etc, and the characters that canonically fit any of these categories ends up pushed to the side for the headcanons. Got nothing against headcanons, but find this trend a little weird.
yeah but considering cartman's mom was the same I think only white dudes got replaced. I could be wrong bc when cartman was running thru the town ik they showed a lot of the townsppl's panderverse selves and I didn't catch them all
One of my favorite lines the special had, even after all of the pander-ripping, was Stan going: "Wow, it really *is* Cartman" when Cartman's counterpart caused all that trouble just for Baldur's Gate 3. lol
I feel like the hidden message in that, and the way the adults responded to the change, is that most people don’t give a shit, and even those who do can be convinced if the portrayal is accurate.
Yeah, I love that line. I think they also made a point to show that even if they swapped characters are identical in every other way to the original depiction , people will still complain.
@@Lizard2176 that was my favorite part. when kyle's mom didnt question it. Like it represents the average person who doesn't care and will keep watching if the portrayal of the character is accurate. Like the fact that diverse female characters didnt ruin the show, and it was still JUST as funny.
I love the idea that the therapist that told Cartman he needs to pick a career that will exist post-AI is the same person that told kids 20+ years ago they need to learn computer programming because that was the future of careers.
software development is FAR from being taken over by AI. AI is becoming a tool, but you're kidding yourself if you think you could start a software company with chatgpt
Randy falling through the void commenting on the many possible combinations of shirts and pants he could be put in was one of my favourite ever South Park sequences
Yeah, I could not tell if this was lame or funny as hell. XD Like usual when shows and movies do this, we see a character change in different artstyles or roles or something, here... nope, just different shirts and pants. XD
Right? That's the only thing that irked me, all the townspeople are scared of technology when they needed help with painfully easy tasks that they could learn how to do online. I guess this special flew over my head. The point of handyman only taking expensive bids is very real and happening, but in response people are using technology to learn how to repair things themselves
It's essentially been proven that women and nonbinary people are generally actually BETTER at stuff like repairing and technology and such than, well, white cis straight men.
I am actually assuming that the next special will follow up on this special despite everything being wrapped up. Because that way they can make fun of unnecessary sequels to films that were not made to create sequels.
that would be a funny inside joke but I can't actually imagine a good plot line but I guess that would be the joke? Somehow I doubt they will do that , I can see it more as a south park game.
@@swearimnotarobot3746 i dont think the next ep would be bad, but maybe theyd still parody a bad episdoe but then switch it up and have a good episode after showing a bit of a bad one
That's an interesting idea. Imagine if they took old, one-time characters like the ski instructor and parodied unnecessary sequels with their own characters.
Honestly I wouldn't blame them just because they went through all the trouble of designing a panderverse version of basically the entire cast. Like, you can pause and look in the background of scenes and recognize who some of the characters are panderverse versions of
@kollie79 What I like about that to, is, subtly, they still point out that even in that universe, Cartman is still a racist. I really dislike when folks call it 'Reverse-Racism'. Like, no. Its just racism. Period.
I was holding myself back from yelling at the screen every time Randy avoided fixing the oven door himself, he was so close when he asked Siri how to do it. It's frustratingly hilarious.
Seeing people on social media praise Cartman, not realizing they aren't supposed to agree with his takes on Disney, broke my brain. But I guess this isn't new for South Park Edit: Y'all... all I meant was Cartman's takes were clearly meant to be absurd for the sake of comedy. I'm well aware that the special makes fun of Disney as well, I saw the same special as you guys
His parts were more direct and funny with the critique. If you're a reasonable person Stan and Kyle's stance is what most normal people feel, explained directly in the scene with PC Principal. Have diversity, but do it with new characters. Promote good stories written by diverse people.
This is why I love South Park; it comments on certain issues PERFECTLY. The way it jokes about stuff and satirizes things is a commentary and has MEANING. It’s not just offensive for shits and giggles.
Yeah, there's a difference between making edgy "Humor" that is just offensive for the sake of being offense, and making edgy humor that is ACTUALLY FUNNY and has meaning and something to say like South Park does, that's why this series is so great, and why Matt and Trey are such good writters. (And why they're so funny.)
I saw it last night and laughed my ass off. I really liked the commentary on AI and the handyman gags. Seeing genderbent versions of the main characters was also fun. I feel like watching more South Park soon.
You liked the benderbent versions because of the fact that they were taking the concept as a joke, they weren't being serious about it. Either way gender bents are usually a dumb idea, look at that ghost busters that had genderbent and failed miserably or remember when some people wanted to make a gender bent of the godfather, (man I remenber those times)
The handymen fighting over being billionaires and buying social media platforms was one of the best jokes I've ever seen. Must be nice to actually be able to do shit.
*SPOILERS* I will always love and cherish Stan’s realization that the Cartman variant is the same as main Cartman when she made them do all the work for her to build a hi tech PC just so that she can continue playing Baldur’s Gate 3 I’ll never forget that lmao
I love how Cartman's alter-ego nailed his personality perfectly. Kyle: You mean all this time I thought you were trying to get back to your universe, you just wanted to play BALDUR'S GATE 3?!!? Black Cartman: My save game! I logged over 50 hours of gameplay, but now I have to start over! Do save games not cross between multiple universes? Stan: Save games don't even cross between PCs and PS5s. Why would they cross between multiple universes?
Yeah i was not ready for how damn well all the VAs worked as characters. I know its alternative universe but i really want more from them they did so well. I loved stan's little realization of "Oh my god she really is cartman."
The whole "We wasted our time and money on college" is funny to me on hindsight. It was Boomers and Gen X that kept insisting that college and stuff is necessary to be successful. The education sysytem they made slacked when it came to essential learning like Woodshop, Autoshop, etc . And it's those same generations that wonder why Millenials and Zoomers aren't turning out like they hoped. I still wanna make something out of my History Degree, But my current unrelated job still pays well.
Exactly. I went to a private school and they didn't have those classes at all. Hell it was last year of highschool we finally learned budgeting which shouldve been a top priority from the get go
@@Eviticus-MaximusI think the point of handymen doing financially well in SP was to highlight how the universe was being turned upside down once a hole to the pander verse was opened. And to show how undervalued their work is and subvert expectations to make a point.
@@Eviticus-Maximus What could you possibly have learned in college that you cannot learn right now? I dropped out 3 semesters shy as I finally realized what a complete waste of time it was. There is so much more I learn every year than I did the 2.5 years I spent in college. What specifically are you not able to understand on your own that requires you to go to a college to have someone explain something that you will then read about and take an exam over?
Did you notice that the episode Spookyfish from the second season has a plot similar to this, with a Cartman from another universe going to the prime universe? Strange that Kyle doesn't believe in Cartman 216-B since the same thing had already happened before.
@InevitableOption-ic2vxaka the quintessential purple haired alt Asian girl trope. Which makes the design choic even funnier. as an Asian girl with purple streaks I find kind of funny that it became a trope.
Yeah We're aware it's making fun of diversity hires and pandering. But who's making videos everyday saying South Park "Destroyed Woke Hollywood" while ignoring they were also making fun of their overreactions and equally lazy content?@@HonkHonkler
@@FictitiousCtrlGames No it's not lol. It's mocking EVERYONE equally., THIS the cops from leftists I'm seeing lol. You've never actually seen a South Park episode if you think they mock EITHER side more. Right, left, woke, anti-woke etc. The most those who ATTACK them more like Harry and Meghan lol. Both sides of THIS argument have a point and faults. To deny that, is cope.
I watched this special with my family and had a good laugh, it's probably my second favourite special to come out so far! I really wish we could've gotten to see more of the kids in their panderverse counterparts, but I had fun trying to pick out the characters I could find.
All the panderverse designs are unironically really good, which only adds to the joke by showing that passion, talent and quality still goes into that kind of stuff even if some people dislike it
I've already seen a lot of rage bait, anti-woke videos on the special so it's a huge relief that you actually acknowledge the "middle road" route they took and called out those youtube creators who made those posts that conveniently ignore most of the special and its messaging. Another reason why Johnny 2 Cellos is one of the best youtubers ever
ya it's a shame , it's like they want "woke" people to hate the episode and try to ban it or something , but it's actually pretty tame and has a simple message about how pandering lazy unoriginal it's just lame. It's not diversity it's using diversity instead of writing a good movie.
I mean The Critical Drinker, is a TH-cam critic often accused of being all those anti-woke things, but he actually understood the South Park episode perfectly and had an incredibly middle ground take on how South Park Satirizes corporate Progressivism and reactionary anti-woke youtubers. A lot of people expected him to make a similar video but he didn't fall for it. I highly recommend you watch his take especially if you don't like him and it might change your mind about him.
South Park doesn’t take sides. They stick to their own I’m liberal and I understand what they’re trying to say Don’t know why the right act like South Park is on their side when they get mocked on the show themselves. Maybe they just ignore that and focus on the left being mocked
@@Blitzo8390this liberal bubble is hilarious reading your comments is like entering in some wild fantasy land where normal people aren't fed up with Disney pandering. You ignoring the actual title of the episode is peak irony of the mental illness that is leftism
It's strange that he hates Dial but loves TLJ when Luke and Indy have basically the same arc in those films, also saying it was directed shittily is just not true at all. I don't really like how he's such a TLJ simp and can't accept any criticism of the movie when a lot of it is extremely valid; TRoS only sucks as much as it does because TLJ set it up to fail.
I'm so glad shows like South Park still exist. An elephant in the room: celebs like Zegler, the Kardashians alongside with these 'insta-fame-vain' people should've never been celebrated in the first place. An over privileged douchebags already famous, being promoted even further by other over privileged companies like Vogue, GQ, Jimmy Fallons of the world etc. 'look what's in my bag a brand new iPhone.' That level of vanity is obscene. The same people who, back in the day, considered anyone who was computer savvy or a gamer, or had a Myspace profile to be 'a loser'. Before they started to use these platforms to make money and share their vanity with the world and destroy self-esteem of others. I have a voice acting background and remember fighting preconceived notions that it's not as demanding as regular acting; but the vocal training itself and perfecting the craft may take more time than any acting school. I know all too well how impossible it was to even book an audition - that's why I sound maybe too bitter and biased. PS. You almost saw me as Leon in those new Resident Evil games :)
Couldn't agree more with both points. I'm not in either industry or anything but I do enjoy animation a lot. And you can instantly tell when they cast a (non voice) actor as a voice actor. Somehow they think if you can act you can automatically voice act, but it's such a different type of acting. Anyways it's a really cool line of work, thanks for sharing :)
Me too. Like, I couldn't have less hate for whatever identity you are, and hope you're comfortable in your own skin. You do you, that's your right and if you're happy and not hurting people, fantastic. That's the world I want to live in. But as Trey and Matt said back in the day - we all need to be able to laugh at ourselves. If it's not all OK, none of it is, and that's a bigger problem than like "jeez somebody made a joke at my expense." This was a 11/10 special and it was so good.
When "woke" content is bad, it's not because of "woke" itself, it's because no effort was put into it. Spiderverse is the peak example of diversity done right.
The term "Woke" cannot be used positively. The origin of the term as an insult comes from people claiming to be "woke" themselves on social media, this people said they were Woke on the "social injustices", what happened then it's that many of these social media accounts became echo chambers super kickly and as such the term woke is used to refer to obnoxious and close minded leftist thought and when something is accused of being "woke", it means it tries to pander to close minded leftists.
@@papafoundry5537 You just proved their point. Because Spiderman ATS, and Miles as spiderman isnt woke. Its just diverse because... f it, not because they were pandering but because they made it in a way that it makes sense, its part of his identity but not the premise of his entire story Miles is generally one of the best examples of spin off character that is different enough to be likeable, but similair enough to not be a complete shift from the original, and wasnt made to pander but to give a refreshment and different tone from the original
Thank you Johnny. My YT recommendations have been full of exactly the kind of videos that you warned about. People completely ignoring what this episode actually talked about and writing their own opinions into it.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
One thing I noticed. Spoilers for the first like five minutes below: So like Cartman's nightmare only consists of him and the other three main kids being "panderised", but when he wakes up he says "all his favourite people" were being turned into diverse women. So like.... that's kind of adorable?, not super adorable 'cuz it's Cartman, but the implication is pretty obvious.
5:04 TBF, he was written way differently in comics and games. In movies he was written perfectly. In comics and especially games, eeeeehhhh, not so much
The greatest joke I found on this special was the idea that billionaires got where they are through hard work. Seriously, the episode is great, every mention of Kathleen Kennedy makes me laugh out loud but the handyman becoming billionaires was just brilliant. 🤣🤣🤣
South park killed it with the diversity absurdity in the media. They also did well to emphasize how pandering is different from actual representation. Also the fact the characters are exactly the same either in their normal form or in their multiverse form just goes to emphasize more the lazy approach that's behind pandering. Cartman is an asshole in both his male and female version exactly because nothing changes for him. Same as with token characters in comics, movies etc that are copies of existing characters with changed race, gender etc.
Is that because it's lazy or because they both serve the same role in the story? We had Nick Fury a white guy, be portrayed by Samuel L. Jackson a black man. Besides the benefit of having good films with his character (maybe not now lol) the character wasn't dependent on being a certain race to serve his role. His goal was to be the director of S.H.I.E.L.D., to bring the Avengers together and have a past service record of being a spy and such.
@@Ashbrash1998 i agree the point was the show that gender swapped or not they serve the same role in the story. and they did it very faithfully to the original. they could have made the diverse universe not funny they took a lot of effort to make it as fun as the OG south park universe.
@@Ashbrash1998Part of the reason Sam Jackson plays Fury in the movies is because they were contractually obligated to cast him. When they first made the Ultimate universe comics back in the early 2000s they negotiated a deal with him that they could use his likeness for the Ultimate universe Fury provided he got to play the character in any movies. Of course that clause was one everyone was happy to agree to because he’s a great fit for the character. Everybody won in that deal.
Really liked your measured take on this special. You do a great job with that in all your reviews honestly. I'm glad you(and many others) can enjoy the comedy but also point out how some of the messages don't fully land because of it. Keep up the great work brother!
It doesn't fully land because they are still "partially" pandering to violent psychopaths and racists. Aka, the white (lowercase emphasized) conservative Christian Right. The whole, "DuRr, BoTh SiDeS bAD", statement is not only cringe, it is actively HARMFUL coming from such influential figures. If South Park doesn't get with the program and aren't interested in actually making the world a better and more inclusive space, they shouldn't be on the air.
The only thing i was kinda like 'huh' about was the older people being the ones to say 'oh okay' when kyle brought up how weird it was that cartman had been replaced. I watched old people get mad when the name of a cheese changed, and theyre far more vocal over the little mermaid
@@Johnny2Cellos i saw more its because those type of people want to avoid that conflict , like when pc principal started questioning kyle why cartman coudlnt be black, they just want to avoid being grilled or accused of being racist so they just say "oh ok" and move on
"It was clear the fallout would be exhausting". As a person who watch youtube videos and not much else in the form of social media. I have not noticed any fallout. I'd say if you actively go searching for it you are making a self fullfilling prophecy.
as much as i dislike "middleroading" i kinda think south park is the one thing I will allow to do it. the entire point of the show is to sit atop of that fence and point and laugh at everyone on each side. i kinda like that there's this one show that makes a fool out of everyone and I think there's no real harm in that. the problem is just how people completely ignore the other half. I'm quite a progressive person and there's defiantly a few episodes I'm not huge on, mainly ones covering trans issues. but in general PC principle, a character largely made to ridicule a lot of my world views, is one of my favorite characters in the show. i don't need to gaslight myself and act like matt and trey agree with everything I do. your alloud to laugh at yourself sometimes.
I had a blast watching the new special myself, and damn I really need to see Panderverse Mysterion now! It's funny how that never once crossed my mind until you mentioned it
You my friend just literally took the words right out of my mouth on this whole debacle of anti woke and woke culture in the media You sir truly are one of the true voices of the people Along with Matt and Trey
People make this as left and right fighting over who get validated by a tv show but for me it looks like the “right” is mainly weaponizing this episode while, would say left but more like the rest, are just explaining the theme of the episode and part that they are missing from the episode.
Can't believe you didn't mention the *Baldur's Gate 3* jokes, since it's not only one of the best games this year (if not ever), but South Park having had RPG games that were good in recent years tie directly genre-wise to BG3 and I'll bet money Trey and/or Matt played BG3, were impressed, and wanted to shout it out in their own way
With the Indiana Jones bit I think it's referencing the rumors that the initial intention was for the female companion to have a more prominent role and replace Indy at the end of the story, with Indy actually dying during the final time travel scene, but that it was changed and reshot after it was leaked and the test screenings were disastrous.
Like I said, it was only rumors but the only source I found contrary is just the director tweeting that it wasn't true, even though he later admitted that at least he showed it to Spielberg 7 times. This is also the same guy that lied that there wouldn't be time travel when the initial alleged leaks about the plot came out. It's also convenient that the alleged leak said that the movie would end with time traveling to the siege of Syracuse just like what happened in the movie, with Indy already dying from a bullet wound beforehand. The only difference is that in the leak Indy asks to die there and is left behind and in the movie he asks to die but is knocked out and the movie cuts to the present to awkwardly give him a happy ending. Like I said, it's all rumors, but I will trust the feds before I trust anything that someone in Hollywood says at face value.
@@Johnny2Cellos I feel like everyone is missing the fact that they used Kathleen/Disney as a stand in for the pandering problem a lot of media is doing in ads/commercials/movies. They just used that as a 'stand in character for the beating' because they needed a character to play with and Kathleen Kennedy IS a funny choice. They did this for 2 reasons: When Cartman says Kathleen Kennedy, it just sounds funny and because she has single handed taken two franchises we all loved in, at the very least, the wrong direction. South Park does this alot...they have just chosen random villains as a stand in for a more widespread issue. I keep seeing people with this take and I really wish I could ask Matt and Trey...I almost guarantee they say we just needed a villain and Kathleen was perfect.
I really enjoyed the special, I think it’s a good reminder for people to make sure they’re not consumed with hatred. And remind themselves to search for the roots of problems.
Thank you for breaking down the episode since I don't watch Southpark but people kept talking about it. I like how the show makes it clear rage clicks and calling everything you don't agree with as woke is just lazy. We are selective in what we want to hear and see so I'm not surprised those who cry woke would love this episode even though it is making fun of them too. I like the commentary on pushing for diversity even when it doesn't make any sense. It's like we are in a transition period of learning that will take some time for us to realize what works and what doesn't in our media and movies. Sometimes people mean well but they pivot to hard the opposite direction and give us too much of a "good" thing. Thank you for being fair in your review of the episode
Yeah I felt the exact same way , the whole point of the episode was not just mocking lame pandering but also the raging reactionaries but people are happy to ignore that when it suits their narrative. It annoyed me how much rage baiting this episode caused when actually it's not that controversial in spirit , lazy pandering isn't good for diversity and the episode was never taking an anti diversity position.
7:19 It reminds me of the "Live Slug Reaction" couple. While Poe and Finn suddenly got similar-backstory-having girlfriends (instead of having one another), a brief sapphic kiss between two unnamed girls at the end of Rise of Skywalker happened, followed by a "slug". This special and your commentary really brought up the entire "relating to Cartman" situation. Like it says something if you think you're supposed to see him in the right. Protags aren't always right.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized thst too.
South Park has always been more middle-road with their commentary, and I've always appreciated that. Everyone gets made fun of, and no one is protected. It's the best way to do social commentary in my opinion.
yeah i felt kinda weird about his statements about that as if it was a bad thing, people who rail against anything they can call even slightly woke are *as* annoying as people that pretend like DEI doesnt get abused to try to sell more tickets for shitty movies and whatnot
4:48 there IS narrative in the second spiderverse movie. Miles wears a black lives matter pin, they put up a memorial graffiti wall for uncle aaron and despite miles' mom being puerto rican he has a low grade in spanish and his mom is pissed.
The “diverse cast” for me was like the way they canonized TweekxCraig. At first it was stupid but then it made total sense and just made us want to see more of them
@@GothPaoki Well, they also treat each other like a couple, caring for each other and calling the other "babe" or "sweetie". It's the most healthy relationship in the show and it's completely platonic because they're not actually gay XD
@@TheDahaka1 probably the only healthy relationship at least from couples we see a lot in the show. But yeah i believe their relationship serves as middle finger to society pressure, they just don't give a shit about what everyone says.
I liked how they mentioned Miles Morales vs Erica (I'm calling her that) in terms of diverse story telling where Miles is an original who told a good story while being his own character compared to Erica who is just... you know
@@GothPaoki Oh, for sure. They're like "You wanna see us like this? See us in whatever way you want, we're gonna do our own thing and be happy". Lots of people would be much better off if they learned from this
After watching the special I started looking for videos on it, and... yes, it is truly exhausting. I don't know how these people can meet their gaze in the mirror. How are they not embarrassed about what they do for a living? And yeah, Panderverse Butters' lululu song was too perfect! XD
it's like because people are divided. the side that is losing ground in the culture war are trying to hold on to power. take sound of freedom for example. the conservative say liberals are protecting the pedo. and I think the have a point esp when u see that liberal outlet like rolling stones railed on that movie to run interference for a real story. a transgender democrats state rep from new Hampshire (Stacie Mary Laughton) being charged as a pedo.. she and her accomplice cut a deal which did not look good for the authorities because the kid pic went some where and they seem not interested in pursuing the case anymore.. wonder how many powerful democrats are involved. when the conservative start asking questions. they will be branded Q Anon. which is sad for the victim.
Why? There are actually good articulate and thoughtful videos on it now. Why would I subject myself to lazy woke-whining?
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I was suspicious about TH-camrs showing only one side of the story to fit their narrative, so thanks to your video, just now I can understand the whole picture... (I don't have that streaming service, and I'm too lazy to look for the pirate version).
I appreciate this video, it actually gave me some perspective on the woke vs anti woke situation and the whole culture war around it overall. Thank you.
Me too. I think the next time I enter a conversation about the Marvels or the new Snow White remake, I’m gonna refer to SP and Johnny to help stay sane.
@@alyssapinon9670 They made fun of everyone. Difference is, the part where they made fun of “people like me” lasted about 30 seconds, while the part where they made fun of people like YOU lasted an hour. Pretending the majority of their ire wasn’t directed at you is nuclear levels of cope. 🤣
They made fun of everyone. Difference is, the part where they made fun of “people like me” lasted about 30 seconds, while the part where they made fun of people like YOU lasted an hour. Pretending the majority of their ire wasn’t directed at you is nuclear levels of cope. 🤣
Honestly, the handyman arc and them showing up in increasingly flashy cars, and the guy going "....get out, you making the Home Depot look shitty" was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. "Now Stan, this happens sometimes, so here's what you do - I'll offer you an EXTRA $50 to NOT go to the Stoches, and fix my oven door" is the hardest I've laughed in a long time. EDIT - the middle rounding in this one is the best reminder of why South Park is so timeless. It makes fun of both sides, every time, and people who get so worked up over fucking bullshit.
I actually kind of doubted Matt and Trey when I saw the title and the screenshots, but to hear Stan and Kyle talking about Miles Morales being cool and them making fun of the Kathleen Kennedy hate brigade, as well as using Cartman as the voice of the anti-woke movement just shows that I should have more faith in them
I like the two specials that have different narratives. I feel like with the other one the seasons felt short. But im hoping with the separate specials they wont feel *as* short. But i do wish if they did two separate ones they released them in book ends. Although its prob a contract thing causing them to not do that.
South Park’s satire often operates as a Rorschach test - different audiences interpret the target of the satire differently. But interpreting it along the lines of “anything that bothers Cartman must not be being critiqued because Cartman is bad” is as simplistic as it’s opposite - the people who don’t get that the “Kathleen Kennedy as supervillain” mindset is also being satirised. Shallow, lazy, “Diversity”, as it is pracised by the likes of Disney, is absolutely the primary target of satire here.
2 things, I love Fem-Kenny’s design. And I love that they just kinda leaned into Cartman being a paranoid schizophrenic lol Wild that people still idolise him when he’s clearly there to make fun of the people who idolise him.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
My favorite moment from the special was when it was revealed that Panderverse Cartman got all this expensive tech from the boys just to play BG3. Like, of course, that's what she would do how did I not see this coming lol
glad this video actually covers the content of the episode fairly and isn't a boring clickbait video thats titled like "South park FUCKIN WRECKS kathleen kennedy BY THROWING HER OFF THE HELL IN THE CELL."
I should mention that Musky boy himself was among the folk who took Cartman's stance out of context in a way that pretended as though it was siding with his "stick it to the WOKE" mantra, in the same special where a handyman pretty much turns into him by being an asshole exploiting his value.
@@Jtd1138 you do realize the point of the hr handyman arc was to show that when you become a billionaire you immediately start exploiting people right?
@@strayiggytv how was he exploiting people, he became a rare commodity so he was able to put his own price , same thing if your a high level welder or crane operator, your rate so companies or individuals want you , He wasn’t making them pay him before hand or stopping them hiring anyone else
@@Jtd1138 Are you talking about the fictional thing, or Musk? Most of Musk's wealth has come from investment and inflated valuations of companies, with a sprinkle of market manipulation. He was a solid hype man before his narcissism got the better of him, but he's made a public ass of himself pretty much nonstop since he got buttmad and called a rescue volunteer a pedophile.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
We needed this review. After watching the Panderverse special, my first move, as I often do, was to check TH-cam for reviews so I can compare notes. What I got was scores of conservative channels celebrating how South Park destroyed Kathleen Kennedy and other "woke" figures without realizing that they too were the butt of the joke.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
I don't blame South Park, but the discourse on the episode is depressing. People missing the point that Cartman's outrage perpetuates the problem and using the episode to support their outrage.
That's because most people aren't just going to blindly agree with South Park. Also, here's something that might blow your mind, maybe they aren't always right about everything?
Honestly, this whole episode is just Elon Musk’s Twitter just repeating the same tired old narrative about how the MCU is dead and Disney as a whole is just making “woke after woke” movies, which is nothing but the same complaints peddled by the same kind of people on Twitter.
I have to disagree on one thing. I love Miles Morales, but he doesn’t count as a “character who change diversity” and works. He’s a legacy character, a character who take up the mantle after his mentor dies or retire (Kate Bishop, Falcon, and ironically, Captain Marvel) If anything, Nick Fury counts more in that subject because he was white in the majority of the comic and only became African American in the Ultimate Comic which later came into the MCU Helps his name isn’t even Peter Parker, he’s Miles Morales. A whole different character and personality
The funny thing is, as horrible as Cartman is (and is obviously meant to be), Matt and Trey have in the past said that they liked to use Cartman as a way to express a lot of their opinions on pop culture. Sadly, just because he made a few good points about Family Guy’s writing being lazy, a lot of people seem to think he’s also right to be a monstrous bigot. I guess good role models are hard to find.
Throughout the first half of this, I was like "Dude, I would have lost my shit over this if it were made in 2016!", and by the end I was like "Ohhhh, now it resonates on a different level. Well done!"
we all know what you meant by "I love kennys design" and as it seems ur not the only one ... i would place a smirky face right here if it didnt look as weird as it does
Oh, hey there misogyny. (Let's keep those thoughts to yourself from now on, please? You actively are HURTING women such as myself with such.... let us say, "unsavory" remarks about our appearance. We do not exist for your gaze, nor do we appreciate the drooling. Yes, we are hot but please have some respect. Thank you in advance and have a great day!)
3:46 Eric is the most interesting character in the show, and I used to relate with him because people thought I was fat too growing up. (I wasn't fat).
It will never not be South Park unless people on both sides of the argument point to the episode and say "See! They completely agree with me and the other side is stupid!"
In an odd way, I am happy that Matt and Trey went forward with this special knowing full well how ridiculous the culture wars have become to the point where satire mocking anyone participating in either narrative is weaponized to drive harmful rhetoric towards specific groups of people. And people on both sides saying that the special is talking about a specific side forget that South Park has ALWAYS been about dunking on both sides, sometimes to great effect and other times not quite sticking the landing. The Family Guy episodes is a great example of that; clearly they wore their hatred of the show on their sleeves and nothing was censored. They went for the kill every time they could to the point that the Family Guy staff couldn't ignore it. And yet in the same episodes they said that Family Guy still has value for some and that it shouldn't be censored or have its staff receive threats from anyone. Same goes with the "Passion of the Jew" episode; they legit showed the three sides regarding the "Passion of the Christ" argument with Cartman being the extreme fanatic that took the film as a call to action against Judaism, Kyle feeling ashamed of his Jewish faith due to the violence portrayed in the film, and Stan and Kenny just being indifferent about it all, even if the show went out of its way to paint Mel Gibson as being a nutjob. So even if within the storyline you can see Matt and Trey quietly state their piece, they still make sure that all sides are equally mocked. So this special would be nothing new if it wasn't for the culture war that now has made it impossible to discuss film and TV without people worrying if its woke or not. Just watch South Park be watched through a 'woke" lense one of these days...
I haven't watched the episode, but I definitely learned that I have been part of that "anti-woke" crowd, but didn't know how to differentiate that between shows with genuinely good representation. I love the direction original shows are going these days with very diverse casts, and now I'm going to me more aware as I watch those shows. Thanks 2 Cellos for recapping and reviewing this. It helped me a lot! :)
Note - PC Principal calls Miles "Black Spider-Man," but Kyle and Stan call him "Miles Morales." PC Principal doesn't value him as a character beyond "diversity," while Kyle and Stan (often the voices of the show) value him as his own character with his own narrative.
Damn it’s little details like this that make South Park so genius
@@alyssapinon9670 Yep. And using his name (Miles Morales) also allows Kyle and Stan/Matt and Trey to make their point absolutely clear to anyone who has an ounce of media literacy - they don't have a problem with diverse characters, or even diverse legacy characters, but taking an existing character (Cartman, often the voice of values opposed to the show, such as censorship, racism, and authoritarianism) and "putting a black woman in it" is just lazy.
SparkSpider
You should see the people who kept calling that one Black kid in Spider-Man 2 Miles Morales
Precisely the point. We all love good characters that happen to be black. They’re multifaceted individuals with depth and substance. Not black characters designed to fill a diversity quota and recite woke’ism like an NPC drone substitute for the writer.
I think the voice actresses for Panderverse Cartman and Butters absolutely nailed their inflections and mannerisms. But I really wanted to see Panderverse Tolkien and Nicole for curiosity's sake.
I feel like they would stay the same as “black person” and “black + women” = woke to some people right ?
I have a strong feeling that, in the same vein as everything else in the Panderverse, they would be a stereotypically-portrayed transgender white couple.
They'd probably be exactly the same and the only actual kids at the school.
I feel like it would be comical in a fucked up way if every character who were CHANGED to be a minority get BETTER representation than those who were ORIGINALLY a minority, considering that most fandoms would change a popular character’s race, sexuality, gender identity, disability, etc, and the characters that canonically fit any of these categories ends up pushed to the side for the headcanons. Got nothing against headcanons, but find this trend a little weird.
yeah but considering cartman's mom was the same I think only white dudes got replaced. I could be wrong bc when cartman was running thru the town ik they showed a lot of the townsppl's panderverse selves and I didn't catch them all
One of my favorite lines the special had, even after all of the pander-ripping, was Stan going: "Wow, it really *is* Cartman" when Cartman's counterpart caused all that trouble just for Baldur's Gate 3. lol
I feel like the hidden message in that, and the way the adults responded to the change, is that most people don’t give a shit, and even those who do can be convinced if the portrayal is accurate.
Yeah, I love that line. I think they also made a point to show that even if they swapped characters are identical in every other way to the original depiction , people will still complain.
@@nickimillenniumHorse shit, commander Keys in the Halo Remake is nothing like the character in the game. Bad argument...
@@Lizard2176 that was my favorite part. when kyle's mom didnt question it. Like it represents the average person who doesn't care and will keep watching if the portrayal of the character is accurate. Like the fact that diverse female characters didnt ruin the show, and it was still JUST as funny.
Dude, that really was the best like! I laughed so hard at that!
I love the idea that the therapist that told Cartman he needs to pick a career that will exist post-AI is the same person that told kids 20+ years ago they need to learn computer programming because that was the future of careers.
I mean it makes sense. AI are just programs made by people.
who, and where?
Which is accurate, right?
IT handiman? pc repair?
software development is FAR from being taken over by AI. AI is becoming a tool, but you're kidding yourself if you think you could start a software company with chatgpt
The funniest part for me was the reveal that every single piece of hate mail Kathleen Kennedy has ever gotten was written by Cartman specifically.
It was, especially given that Cartman is a stand in for the anti woke crowd as a whole. 😂
I don't know what is more impressive, the fact he wrote thousands of letters or the commitment
Randy falling through the void commenting on the many possible combinations of shirts and pants he could be put in was one of my favourite ever South Park sequences
Yeah, I could not tell if this was lame or funny as hell. XD Like usual when shows and movies do this, we see a character change in different artstyles or roles or something, here... nope, just different shirts and pants. XD
It would've been funnier if Randy's wife had fixed the stove in the end, proving all this nonsense was a waste of time.
I was waiting for it
Right? That's the only thing that irked me, all the townspeople are scared of technology when they needed help with painfully easy tasks that they could learn how to do online.
I guess this special flew over my head. The point of handyman only taking expensive bids is very real and happening, but in response people are using technology to learn how to repair things themselves
That would have been funny 😅
It's essentially been proven that women and nonbinary people are generally actually BETTER at stuff like repairing and technology and such than, well, white cis straight men.
She was used as an NPC 😂
I am actually assuming that the next special will follow up on this special despite everything being wrapped up. Because that way they can make fun of unnecessary sequels to films that were not made to create sequels.
that would be a funny inside joke but I can't actually imagine a good plot line but I guess that would be the joke? Somehow I doubt they will do that , I can see it more as a south park game.
@@aprioriontoast704maybe the episode will be bad on purpose because that’s what sequels are?
@@swearimnotarobot3746 i dont think the next ep would be bad, but maybe theyd still parody a bad episdoe but then switch it up and have a good episode after showing a bit of a bad one
That's an interesting idea. Imagine if they took old, one-time characters like the ski instructor and parodied unnecessary sequels with their own characters.
Honestly I wouldn't blame them just because they went through all the trouble of designing a panderverse version of basically the entire cast. Like, you can pause and look in the background of scenes and recognize who some of the characters are panderverse versions of
I liked how changing all the characters to a "diverse woman" didn't really change much in the panderverse. Lol
@kollie79The VA had such amazing inflections lmfao, you really can still hear Cartman
Ok...
And stan literally said "she really is cartman" during the special, so they weren't really that different besides the occassional patriachy talk
@kollie79 What I like about that to, is, subtly, they still point out that even in that universe, Cartman is still a racist.
I really dislike when folks call it 'Reverse-Racism'. Like, no. Its just racism. Period.
I think it’s even funnier that way. The lack of acknowledgement sometimes was HILARIOUS
I was holding myself back from yelling at the screen every time Randy avoided fixing the oven door himself, he was so close when he asked Siri how to do it. It's frustratingly hilarious.
Seeing people on social media praise Cartman, not realizing they aren't supposed to agree with his takes on Disney, broke my brain. But I guess this isn't new for South Park
Edit: Y'all... all I meant was Cartman's takes were clearly meant to be absurd for the sake of comedy. I'm well aware that the special makes fun of Disney as well, I saw the same special as you guys
His parts were more direct and funny with the critique. If you're a reasonable person Stan and Kyle's stance is what most normal people feel, explained directly in the scene with PC Principal.
Have diversity, but do it with new characters. Promote good stories written by diverse people.
@@DWboy14found the guy
Hey Ethan.
Man it’s almost like….you know….Cartman is a fictional character….
@@backinpurple Sup Perry
As a professional handyman, I'd love to see an entire special dedicated to the handyman storyline!
Agreed. The Handyman storyline is more relatable and important than whatever Disney or Hollywood is doing right now.
hows it feel being a gazillionare?
@@jack-gn4yl not as much fun as I thought it would be. 😥
only if you fix Trey Parker's over door first!
Daddy Warbucks over here
I thought the “we wasted money and time in college when we could have been learning how to do stuff” plot line was pretty funny.
This is why I love South Park; it comments on certain issues PERFECTLY. The way it jokes about stuff and satirizes things is a commentary and has MEANING. It’s not just offensive for shits and giggles.
South Park is just pure art.
real
@@teqfreak
Yeah, there's a difference between making edgy "Humor" that is just offensive for the sake of being offense, and making edgy humor that is ACTUALLY FUNNY and has meaning and something to say like South Park does, that's why this series is so great, and why Matt and Trey are such good writters. (And why they're so funny.)
@@costelinha1867 It wasn't even close to edgy. This was really safe shit. To say they're doing it perfectly is a complete joke.
@@kelp7060not everything has to be super edgy. trey and matt themselves have said that they never TRY to be offensive.
Great video! Trey Parker doesn't have Twitter. I don't think either of them are even on social media.
I am 90% sure that is actually his burner account that he simply does not advertise
Yeah I was gonna say.
Trey does have a Twitter under his name but whether or not it's actually him doing the stuff is debatable
There are tons of photos on the account that do not exist anywhere else online
@@Johnny2Cellos complaining about social media then joining it? Kinda showing his age there.
I saw it last night and laughed my ass off. I really liked the commentary on AI and the handyman gags. Seeing genderbent versions of the main characters was also fun.
I feel like watching more South Park soon.
Exactly how I felt
You liked the benderbent versions because of the fact that they were taking the concept as a joke, they weren't being serious about it. Either way gender bents are usually a dumb idea, look at that ghost busters that had genderbent and failed miserably or remember when some people wanted to make a gender bent of the godfather, (man I remenber those times)
The handymen fighting over being billionaires and buying social media platforms was one of the best jokes I've ever seen.
Must be nice to actually be able to do shit.
@@actuallynotsteveagreed that was such a great side plot
*SPOILERS*
I will always love and cherish Stan’s realization that the Cartman variant is the same as main Cartman when she made them do all the work for her to build a hi tech PC just so that she can continue playing Baldur’s Gate 3 I’ll never forget that lmao
I love how Cartman's alter-ego nailed his personality perfectly.
Kyle: You mean all this time I thought you were trying to get back to your universe, you just wanted to play BALDUR'S GATE 3?!!?
Black Cartman: My save game! I logged over 50 hours of gameplay, but now I have to start over! Do save games not cross between multiple universes?
Stan: Save games don't even cross between PCs and PS5s. Why would they cross between multiple universes?
Yeah i was not ready for how damn well all the VAs worked as characters. I know its alternative universe but i really want more from them they did so well. I loved stan's little realization of "Oh my god she really is cartman."
The whole "We wasted our time and money on college" is funny to me on hindsight. It was Boomers and Gen X that kept insisting that college and stuff is necessary to be successful. The education sysytem they made slacked when it came to essential learning like Woodshop, Autoshop, etc . And it's those same generations that wonder why Millenials and Zoomers aren't turning out like they hoped.
I still wanna make something out of my History Degree, But my current unrelated job still pays well.
Exactly. I went to a private school and they didn't have those classes at all. Hell it was last year of highschool we finally learned budgeting which shouldve been a top priority from the get go
I still hate millennials and how much they get spoiled by their capitalist daddies. Especially Disney Adults
@@Eviticus-MaximusI think the point of handymen doing financially well in SP was to highlight how the universe was being turned upside down once a hole to the pander verse was opened. And to show how undervalued their work is and subvert expectations to make a point.
'Boomers' never said a history degree is what you need, those are just called stupid people.
@@Eviticus-Maximus What could you possibly have learned in college that you cannot learn right now? I dropped out 3 semesters shy as I finally realized what a complete waste of time it was. There is so much more I learn every year than I did the 2.5 years I spent in college.
What specifically are you not able to understand on your own that requires you to go to a college to have someone explain something that you will then read about and take an exam over?
Did you notice that the episode Spookyfish from the second season has a plot similar to this, with a Cartman from another universe going to the prime universe? Strange that Kyle doesn't believe in Cartman 216-B since the same thing had already happened before.
With all the shit the boys have seen, this really shouldn’t be that surprising lol
To be fair since there are alternate realities it’s possible this one isn’t the one the previous seasons inhabited.
Kyle was just refusing to believe it because he's sick of Multiverse movies .
They probably 4got with all the crazy shit going on
It sounds more like he’s tired of the concept and doesn’t want to deal with it anymore,
South Park. Everyone thinks the episode is making fun of something they hate, without realizing the episode is calling them out too.
Yea they always poke fun at both sides that's. Because they're the goat!
nobody is safe from south park and thats the way it should be
They make fun of both sides, and those that are genuinely offended have no sense of humor
Because most people are incredibly stupid.
You're so right about the designs of the panderverse characters. All of the main cast look 🔥🔥🔥
@InevitableOption-ic2vxtrue
@InevitableOption-ic2vxaka the quintessential purple haired alt Asian girl trope. Which makes the design choic even funnier. as an Asian girl with purple streaks I find kind of funny that it became a trope.
Lmao the Asian girl with a dyed hair steak is one of my favorite tropes. Always looking out for that
Y’know you have a perfectly good satire when the people who are being mocked in it does not realized they are being made fun of
It's actually mocking EVERYOINE, but whatever makes you feel better.
@@HonkHonkleryeah but it's mocking one group of people much harder imo.
Yeah We're aware it's making fun of diversity hires and pandering. But who's making videos everyday saying South Park "Destroyed Woke Hollywood" while ignoring they were also making fun of their overreactions and equally lazy content?@@HonkHonkler
@@koichidignitythief7429Prolly because they don’t give a shit, because all that matters is that South Park called out the raw stupidity of Hollywood.
@@FictitiousCtrlGames No it's not lol. It's mocking EVERYONE equally., THIS the cops from leftists I'm seeing lol. You've never actually seen a South Park episode if you think they mock EITHER side more. Right, left, woke, anti-woke etc. The most those who ATTACK them more like Harry and Meghan lol. Both sides of THIS argument have a point and faults. To deny that, is cope.
I watched this special with my family and had a good laugh, it's probably my second favourite special to come out so far! I really wish we could've gotten to see more of the kids in their panderverse counterparts, but I had fun trying to pick out the characters I could find.
What's your first
All the panderverse designs are unironically really good, which only adds to the joke by showing that passion, talent and quality still goes into that kind of stuff even if some people dislike it
I've already seen a lot of rage bait, anti-woke videos on the special so it's a huge relief that you actually acknowledge the "middle road" route they took and called out those youtube creators who made those posts that conveniently ignore most of the special and its messaging. Another reason why Johnny 2 Cellos is one of the best youtubers ever
ya it's a shame , it's like they want "woke" people to hate the episode and try to ban it or something , but it's actually pretty tame and has a simple message about how pandering lazy unoriginal it's just lame. It's not diversity it's using diversity instead of writing a good movie.
South park ironically predicted them
I mean The Critical Drinker, is a TH-cam critic often accused of being all those anti-woke things, but he actually understood the South Park episode perfectly and had an incredibly middle ground take on how South Park Satirizes corporate Progressivism and reactionary anti-woke youtubers. A lot of people expected him to make a similar video but he didn't fall for it. I highly recommend you watch his take especially if you don't like him and it might change your mind about him.
I fucking died at the heartfelt rendition of you ''Lou lou lou you got some apples''
Yeah that was pretty funny lol
My favorite part of the special was the fact that towards the end stan was just like "oh wow yeh that is cartman".
A wise man once said
"No one misunderstands South Park more than South Park fans"
South Park doesn’t take sides. They stick to their own
I’m liberal and I understand what they’re trying to say
Don’t know why the right act like South Park is on their side when they get mocked on the show themselves. Maybe they just ignore that and focus on the left being mocked
@@Blitzo8390vise versa.
@@Blitzo8390this liberal bubble is hilarious reading your comments is like entering in some wild fantasy land where normal people aren't fed up with Disney pandering. You ignoring the actual title of the episode is peak irony of the mental illness that is leftism
@@Blitzo8390 the right understand south park is making fun of them ???? you guys gotta get out of your echochambers jeez
@@Blitzo8390right? Don't know why the other side always act more agressive, it always a war for some reason
Despite me disagreeing with a burning passion about Dial of Destiny, I do enjoy this tale on the South Park special. Mad respect to Johnny as always
Disagreeing about what exactly? (Just curious)
It's strange that he hates Dial but loves TLJ when Luke and Indy have basically the same arc in those films, also saying it was directed shittily is just not true at all. I don't really like how he's such a TLJ simp and can't accept any criticism of the movie when a lot of it is extremely valid; TRoS only sucks as much as it does because TLJ set it up to fail.
This is why I love South Park. They’ll rip on both sides of every issue
I loved how this special ripped on both sides of the cultural war.
This is why South Park is peak
I'm so glad shows like South Park still exist. An elephant in the room: celebs like Zegler, the Kardashians alongside with these 'insta-fame-vain' people should've never been celebrated in the first place. An over privileged douchebags already famous, being promoted even further by other over privileged companies like Vogue, GQ, Jimmy Fallons of the world etc. 'look what's in my bag a brand new iPhone.' That level of vanity is obscene. The same people who, back in the day, considered anyone who was computer savvy or a gamer, or had a Myspace profile to be 'a loser'. Before they started to use these platforms to make money and share their vanity with the world and destroy self-esteem of others.
I have a voice acting background and remember fighting preconceived notions that it's not as demanding as regular acting; but the vocal training itself and perfecting the craft may take more time than any acting school. I know all too well how impossible it was to even book an audition - that's why I sound maybe too bitter and biased. PS. You almost saw me as Leon in those new Resident Evil games :)
Couldn't agree more with both points. I'm not in either industry or anything but I do enjoy animation a lot. And you can instantly tell when they cast a (non voice) actor as a voice actor. Somehow they think if you can act you can automatically voice act, but it's such a different type of acting.
Anyways it's a really cool line of work, thanks for sharing :)
Wanted to be a professional voice actor as a kid
Can you say the funny bingo line
all rachel zegler does is be a 22 year old girl and losers on the internet hate her
Me too. Like, I couldn't have less hate for whatever identity you are, and hope you're comfortable in your own skin. You do you, that's your right and if you're happy and not hurting people, fantastic. That's the world I want to live in.
But as Trey and Matt said back in the day - we all need to be able to laugh at ourselves. If it's not all OK, none of it is, and that's a bigger problem than like "jeez somebody made a joke at my expense."
This was a 11/10 special and it was so good.
When "woke" content is bad, it's not because of "woke" itself, it's because no effort was put into it. Spiderverse is the peak example of diversity done right.
The term "Woke" cannot be used positively. The origin of the term as an insult comes from people claiming to be "woke" themselves on social media, this people said they were Woke on the "social injustices", what happened then it's that many of these social media accounts became echo chambers super kickly and as such the term woke is used to refer to obnoxious and close minded leftist thought and when something is accused of being "woke", it means it tries to pander to close minded leftists.
All woke is bad. Even Spider-Man
@@papafoundry5537L take
Define woke@@papafoundry5537
@@papafoundry5537 You just proved their point. Because Spiderman ATS, and Miles as spiderman isnt woke. Its just diverse because... f it, not because they were pandering but because they made it in a way that it makes sense, its part of his identity but not the premise of his entire story
Miles is generally one of the best examples of spin off character that is different enough to be likeable, but similair enough to not be a complete shift from the original, and wasnt made to pander but to give a refreshment and different tone from the original
Thank you Johnny. My YT recommendations have been full of exactly the kind of videos that you warned about. People completely ignoring what this episode actually talked about and writing their own opinions into it.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
South Park really is the best at insulting both sides aren't they?
Now we need an episode about playing devils advocate
Yup. They hate everything equally. Thanos would be proud lol
I love South Park don't get me wrong, but it's easier/less risky to make fun of sides, than it is to take one
@@RemixedVoice me when my centrists takes give me a front row seat to two idiots yelling at each other: 🍿🐢
@@RemixedVoicei agree. SP is my favorite show of all time but that “both sides are dumb” stance they take sometimes comes off as SUPER easy.
It lampoons both sides of the culture war so well that each side thinks it’s only lampooning the other
One thing I noticed. Spoilers for the first like five minutes below:
So like Cartman's nightmare only consists of him and the other three main kids being "panderised", but when he wakes up he says "all his favourite people" were being turned into diverse women.
So like.... that's kind of adorable?, not super adorable 'cuz it's Cartman, but the implication is pretty obvious.
I thought the same! Rare but welcome wholesome moment in the show.
5:04 TBF, he was written way differently in comics and games. In movies he was written perfectly. In comics and especially games, eeeeehhhh, not so much
The greatest joke I found on this special was the idea that billionaires got where they are through hard work. Seriously, the episode is great, every mention of Kathleen Kennedy makes me laugh out loud but the handyman becoming billionaires was just brilliant. 🤣🤣🤣
People have always used Cartman to express the stuff they think are unpleasant truths
People watching South Park and not realizing they're being made fun of is a tale as old as time.
South park killed it with the diversity absurdity in the media. They also did well to emphasize how pandering is different from actual representation. Also the fact the characters are exactly the same either in their normal form or in their multiverse form just goes to emphasize more the lazy approach that's behind pandering. Cartman is an asshole in both his male and female version exactly because nothing changes for him. Same as with token characters in comics, movies etc that are copies of existing characters with changed race, gender etc.
Is that because it's lazy or because they both serve the same role in the story? We had Nick Fury a white guy, be portrayed by Samuel L. Jackson a black man. Besides the benefit of having good films with his character (maybe not now lol) the character wasn't dependent on being a certain race to serve his role. His goal was to be the director of S.H.I.E.L.D., to bring the Avengers together and have a past service record of being a spy and such.
@@Ashbrash1998 i agree the point was the show that gender swapped or not they serve the same role in the story. and they did it very faithfully to the original. they could have made the diverse universe not funny they took a lot of effort to make it as fun as the OG south park universe.
@@Ashbrash1998Part of the reason Sam Jackson plays Fury in the movies is because they were contractually obligated to cast him. When they first made the Ultimate universe comics back in the early 2000s they negotiated a deal with him that they could use his likeness for the Ultimate universe Fury provided he got to play the character in any movies. Of course that clause was one everyone was happy to agree to because he’s a great fit for the character. Everybody won in that deal.
The people using this special to just bash Disney and 'woke-ism' have big "Homelander is a true patriot" vibes.
To be fair, you can be a patriot and still be a horrible monster. Look at Andrew Jackson.
"You know it's making fun of you right?" - terminally online people of both sides
Really liked your measured take on this special. You do a great job with that in all your reviews honestly. I'm glad you(and many others) can enjoy the comedy but also point out how some of the messages don't fully land because of it. Keep up the great work brother!
It doesn't fully land because they are still "partially" pandering to violent psychopaths and racists. Aka, the white (lowercase emphasized) conservative Christian Right.
The whole, "DuRr, BoTh SiDeS bAD", statement is not only cringe, it is actively HARMFUL coming from such influential figures. If South Park doesn't get with the program and aren't interested in actually making the world a better and more inclusive space, they shouldn't be on the air.
5:25 People IN THESE COMMENTS are ignoring this line, too.
The only thing i was kinda like 'huh' about was the older people being the ones to say 'oh okay' when kyle brought up how weird it was that cartman had been replaced.
I watched old people get mad when the name of a cheese changed, and theyre far more vocal over the little mermaid
I think they're just meant to represent how a lot of general audiences that aren't really all that invested in this stuff actually do not care at all
@@Johnny2Cellos i saw more its because those type of people want to avoid that conflict , like when pc principal started questioning kyle why cartman coudlnt be black, they just want to avoid being grilled or accused of being racist so they just say "oh ok" and move on
First of all I don't think anyone cares that Much about cheese secondly the little mermaid was clear pantering
"It was clear the fallout would be exhausting". As a person who watch youtube videos and not much else in the form of social media. I have not noticed any fallout. I'd say if you actively go searching for it you are making a self fullfilling prophecy.
lol, or maybe making videos about South Park means I get a front row seat to the discourse in the comment section
@@Johnny2Cellos touche i suppose
as much as i dislike "middleroading" i kinda think south park is the one thing I will allow to do it. the entire point of the show is to sit atop of that fence and point and laugh at everyone on each side. i kinda like that there's this one show that makes a fool out of everyone and I think there's no real harm in that. the problem is just how people completely ignore the other half. I'm quite a progressive person and there's defiantly a few episodes I'm not huge on, mainly ones covering trans issues. but in general PC principle, a character largely made to ridicule a lot of my world views, is one of my favorite characters in the show. i don't need to gaslight myself and act like matt and trey agree with everything I do. your alloud to laugh at yourself sometimes.
I had a blast watching the new special myself, and damn I really need to see Panderverse Mysterion now! It's funny how that never once crossed my mind until you mentioned it
You my friend just literally took the words right out of my mouth on this whole debacle of anti woke and woke culture in the media
You sir truly are one of the true voices of the people
Along with Matt and Trey
People make this as left and right fighting over who get validated by a tv show but for me it looks like the “right” is mainly weaponizing this episode while, would say left but more like the rest, are just explaining the theme of the episode and part that they are missing from the episode.
God the billionaire handymen was so fucking funny, absolutely my favorite joke of the last 5 years
They def went a different direction than I thought they would, and it made me LOL a handful of times. Good special.
Can't believe you didn't mention the *Baldur's Gate 3* jokes, since it's not only one of the best games this year (if not ever), but South Park having had RPG games that were good in recent years tie directly genre-wise to BG3 and I'll bet money Trey and/or Matt played BG3, were impressed, and wanted to shout it out in their own way
With the Indiana Jones bit I think it's referencing the rumors that the initial intention was for the female companion to have a more prominent role and replace Indy at the end of the story, with Indy actually dying during the final time travel scene, but that it was changed and reshot after it was leaked and the test screenings were disastrous.
There definitely were not test screenings of that, because it likely was never true lol.
Like I said, it was only rumors but the only source I found contrary is just the director tweeting that it wasn't true, even though he later admitted that at least he showed it to Spielberg 7 times. This is also the same guy that lied that there wouldn't be time travel when the initial alleged leaks about the plot came out.
It's also convenient that the alleged leak said that the movie would end with time traveling to the siege of Syracuse just like what happened in the movie, with Indy already dying from a bullet wound beforehand. The only difference is that in the leak Indy asks to die there and is left behind and in the movie he asks to die but is knocked out and the movie cuts to the present to awkwardly give him a happy ending.
Like I said, it's all rumors, but I will trust the feds before I trust anything that someone in Hollywood says at face value.
@@aintkoolyeah terrible and lazy takes.
Why this guy/girl/? Appeared in my video suggestions is baffling.
@@Johnny2Cellos I feel like everyone is missing the fact that they used Kathleen/Disney as a stand in for the pandering problem a lot of media is doing in ads/commercials/movies. They just used that as a 'stand in character for the beating' because they needed a character to play with and Kathleen Kennedy IS a funny choice. They did this for 2 reasons: When Cartman says Kathleen Kennedy, it just sounds funny and because she has single handed taken two franchises we all loved in, at the very least, the wrong direction. South Park does this alot...they have just chosen random villains as a stand in for a more widespread issue.
I keep seeing people with this take and I really wish I could ask Matt and Trey...I almost guarantee they say we just needed a villain and Kathleen was perfect.
That "leak" always seemed like the most obvious rage-bait of all time.
I really enjoyed the special, I think it’s a good reminder for people to make sure they’re not consumed with hatred. And remind themselves to search for the roots of problems.
Thank you for breaking down the episode since I don't watch Southpark but people kept talking about it. I like how the show makes it clear rage clicks and calling everything you don't agree with as woke is just lazy. We are selective in what we want to hear and see so I'm not surprised those who cry woke would love this episode even though it is making fun of them too. I like the commentary on pushing for diversity even when it doesn't make any sense. It's like we are in a transition period of learning that will take some time for us to realize what works and what doesn't in our media and movies. Sometimes people mean well but they pivot to hard the opposite direction and give us too much of a "good" thing. Thank you for being fair in your review of the episode
Yeah I felt the exact same way , the whole point of the episode was not just mocking lame pandering but also the raging reactionaries but people are happy to ignore that when it suits their narrative. It annoyed me how much rage baiting this episode caused when actually it's not that controversial in spirit , lazy pandering isn't good for diversity and the episode was never taking an anti diversity position.
7:19 It reminds me of the "Live Slug Reaction" couple. While Poe and Finn suddenly got similar-backstory-having girlfriends (instead of having one another), a brief sapphic kiss between two unnamed girls at the end of Rise of Skywalker happened, followed by a "slug".
This special and your commentary really brought up the entire "relating to Cartman" situation. Like it says something if you think you're supposed to see him in the right. Protags aren't always right.
Yeah, if you're someone who thinks that, God help you if you ever watch It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized thst too.
South Park has always been more middle-road with their commentary, and I've always appreciated that. Everyone gets made fun of, and no one is protected. It's the best way to do social commentary in my opinion.
yeah i felt kinda weird about his statements about that as if it was a bad thing, people who rail against anything they can call even slightly woke are *as* annoying as people that pretend like DEI doesnt get abused to try to sell more tickets for shitty movies and whatnot
It's absolutely making fun of both sides and calling them all lazy hacks. I don't mind that because it's true and I'm sick of them both.
4:48 there IS narrative in the second spiderverse movie. Miles wears a black lives matter pin, they put up a memorial graffiti wall for uncle aaron and despite miles' mom being puerto rican he has a low grade in spanish and his mom is pissed.
The “diverse cast” for me was like the way they canonized TweekxCraig. At first it was stupid but then it made total sense and just made us want to see more of them
Depends on what you mean canonised.Tweek and craig just accept it because they're tired of trying to convince others they're not a couple.
@@GothPaoki Well, they also treat each other like a couple, caring for each other and calling the other "babe" or "sweetie". It's the most healthy relationship in the show and it's completely platonic because they're not actually gay XD
@@TheDahaka1 probably the only healthy relationship at least from couples we see a lot in the show.
But yeah i believe their relationship serves as middle finger to society pressure, they just don't give a shit about what everyone says.
I liked how they mentioned Miles Morales vs Erica (I'm calling her that) in terms of diverse story telling where Miles is an original who told a good story while being his own character compared to Erica who is just... you know
@@GothPaoki Oh, for sure. They're like "You wanna see us like this? See us in whatever way you want, we're gonna do our own thing and be happy".
Lots of people would be much better off if they learned from this
LOVED the special! You're awesome man!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
After watching the special I started looking for videos on it, and... yes, it is truly exhausting. I don't know how these people can meet their gaze in the mirror. How are they not embarrassed about what they do for a living?
And yeah, Panderverse Butters' lululu song was too perfect! XD
it's like because people are divided. the side that is losing ground in the culture war are trying to hold on to power. take sound of freedom for example. the conservative say liberals are protecting the pedo. and I think the have a point esp when u see that liberal outlet like rolling stones railed on that movie to run interference for a real story. a transgender democrats state rep from new Hampshire (Stacie Mary Laughton) being charged as a pedo.. she and her accomplice cut a deal which did not look good for the authorities because the kid pic went some where and they seem not interested in pursuing the case anymore.. wonder how many powerful democrats are involved. when the conservative start asking questions. they will be branded Q Anon. which is sad for the victim.
Did you watch any of these videos
@@Jimmy-yi7iq A couple. But only out of morbid curiosity. And because it was slim pickings at the time.
Try watching some now
Why? There are actually good articulate and thoughtful videos on it now.
Why would I subject myself to lazy woke-whining?
I was suspicious about TH-camrs showing only one side of the story to fit their narrative, so thanks to your video, just now I can understand the whole picture... (I don't have that streaming service, and I'm too lazy to look for the pirate version).
I appreciate this video, it actually gave me some perspective on the woke vs anti woke situation and the whole culture war around it overall. Thank you.
Me too. I think the next time I enter a conversation about the Marvels or the new Snow White remake, I’m gonna refer to SP and Johnny to help stay sane.
@@alyssapinon9670 They made fun of everyone. Difference is, the part where they made fun of “people like me” lasted about 30 seconds, while the part where they made fun of people like YOU lasted an hour. Pretending the majority of their ire wasn’t directed at you is nuclear levels of cope. 🤣
They made fun of everyone. Difference is, the part where they made fun of “people like me” lasted about 30 seconds, while the part where they made fun of people like YOU lasted an hour. Pretending the majority of their ire wasn’t directed at you is nuclear levels of cope. 🤣
This is the most funniest south park i've ever been I was nonstop laughing
I mean I find both sides being like "South Park makes fun of everybody equally, except for me because I'm so gosh diddly darn smart."
Imagine boondocks was still on, these people would call uncle ruckus the voice of reason
Honestly, the handyman arc and them showing up in increasingly flashy cars, and the guy going "....get out, you making the Home Depot look shitty" was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
"Now Stan, this happens sometimes, so here's what you do - I'll offer you an EXTRA $50 to NOT go to the Stoches, and fix my oven door" is the hardest I've laughed in a long time.
EDIT - the middle rounding in this one is the best reminder of why South Park is so timeless. It makes fun of both sides, every time, and people who get so worked up over fucking bullshit.
I actually kind of doubted Matt and Trey when I saw the title and the screenshots, but to hear Stan and Kyle talking about Miles Morales being cool and them making fun of the Kathleen Kennedy hate brigade, as well as using Cartman as the voice of the anti-woke movement just shows that I should have more faith in them
I like the two specials that have different narratives. I feel like with the other one the seasons felt short. But im hoping with the separate specials they wont feel *as* short. But i do wish if they did two separate ones they released them in book ends. Although its prob a contract thing causing them to not do that.
South Park’s satire often operates as a Rorschach test - different audiences interpret the target of the satire differently. But interpreting it along the lines of “anything that bothers Cartman must not be being critiqued because Cartman is bad” is as simplistic as it’s opposite - the people who don’t get that the “Kathleen Kennedy as supervillain” mindset is also being satirised. Shallow, lazy, “Diversity”, as it is pracised by the likes of Disney, is absolutely the primary target of satire here.
Yup. Not to mention that Alternate KK was also represented by Cartman 😂
2 things, I love Fem-Kenny’s design.
And I love that they just kinda leaned into Cartman being a paranoid schizophrenic lol
Wild that people still idolise him when he’s clearly there to make fun of the people who idolise him.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
My favorite moment from the special was when it was revealed that Panderverse Cartman got all this expensive tech from the boys just to play BG3. Like, of course, that's what she would do how did I not see this coming lol
glad this video actually covers the content of the episode fairly and isn't a boring clickbait video thats titled like "South park FUCKIN WRECKS kathleen kennedy BY THROWING HER OFF THE HELL IN THE CELL."
I should mention that Musky boy himself was among the folk who took Cartman's stance out of context in a way that pretended as though it was siding with his "stick it to the WOKE" mantra, in the same special where a handyman pretty much turns into him by being an asshole exploiting his value.
@@Jtd1138how'd you manage to stop bootlicking long enough to type that?
@@Jtd1138 you do realize the point of the hr handyman arc was to show that when you become a billionaire you immediately start exploiting people right?
@@strayiggytv how was he exploiting people, he became a rare commodity so he was able to put his own price , same thing if your a high level welder or crane operator, your rate so companies or individuals want you
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He wasn’t making them pay him before hand or stopping them hiring anyone else
@@Jtd1138 Are you talking about the fictional thing, or Musk?
Most of Musk's wealth has come from investment and inflated valuations of companies, with a sprinkle of market manipulation. He was a solid hype man before his narcissism got the better of him, but he's made a public ass of himself pretty much nonstop since he got buttmad and called a rescue volunteer a pedophile.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
We needed this review.
After watching the Panderverse special, my first move, as I often do, was to check TH-cam for reviews so I can compare notes. What I got was scores of conservative channels celebrating how South Park destroyed Kathleen Kennedy and other "woke" figures without realizing that they too were the butt of the joke.
The problem is that the show also criticize Disney, and many people only use the ending to also praise it. This is my take: the american left and the american right are stupid, simple as. South Park clearly made fun of both of them but they didn't understood because they both want the show on their side. You can't deny that there are also a lot of people on the left that will blindly defend pandering in fiction and the Show criticized that too.
@@magdavillafuerte Dude you posted the EXACT same thing at least 12 times already. Fuck.
I don't blame South Park, but the discourse on the episode is depressing. People missing the point that Cartman's outrage perpetuates the problem and using the episode to support their outrage.
That's because most people aren't just going to blindly agree with South Park. Also, here's something that might blow your mind, maybe they aren't always right about everything?
Because like the other comment said, I don’t agree that being mad at the problem exasperates the problem.
Honestly, this whole episode is just Elon Musk’s Twitter just repeating the same tired old narrative about how the MCU is dead and Disney as a whole is just making “woke after woke” movies, which is nothing but the same complaints peddled by the same kind of people on Twitter.
It is funny to see people complain that a superhero woman is too powerful.
I laughed with the Marion and Short-Round bit. Well done, sir.
I have to disagree on one thing. I love Miles Morales, but he doesn’t count as a “character who change diversity” and works. He’s a legacy character, a character who take up the mantle after his mentor dies or retire (Kate Bishop, Falcon, and ironically, Captain Marvel)
If anything, Nick Fury counts more in that subject because he was white in the majority of the comic and only became African American in the Ultimate Comic which later came into the MCU
Helps his name isn’t even Peter Parker, he’s Miles Morales. A whole different character and personality
These people complain about those characters, too. The point is a lot of people do not differentiate
@@Johnny2Celloswhich sucks really
Nick Fury actually was originally a white guy until 2002.
@@ken-yv3id I know, that’s what I said.
The funny thing is, as horrible as Cartman is (and is obviously meant to be), Matt and Trey have in the past said that they liked to use Cartman as a way to express a lot of their opinions on pop culture. Sadly, just because he made a few good points about Family Guy’s writing being lazy, a lot of people seem to think he’s also right to be a monstrous bigot. I guess good role models are hard to find.
Throughout the first half of this, I was like "Dude, I would have lost my shit over this if it were made in 2016!", and by the end I was like "Ohhhh, now it resonates on a different level. Well done!"
The best I'm going to watch of this South Park special
I seriously laugh screamingg when alt universe butters sing the Loo Loo Loos so well 😂
I could honestly see the next special being a sequel to this special that makes fun of lazy sequels.
I definitely want to see more of the panderverse characters, especially panderverse Cartman, Butters, and Kenny😂
They should just do a short of them xD It's so funny seeing the boys as grown ass women, when Butters was afraid of his or her "Dad" I died xD
We need more of Tammy's knockers.
Eww no
Cringe.
we all know what you meant by "I love kennys design" and as it seems ur not the only one ... i would place a smirky face right here if it didnt look as weird as it does
Oh, hey there misogyny.
(Let's keep those thoughts to yourself from now on, please? You actively are HURTING women such as myself with such.... let us say, "unsavory" remarks about our appearance. We do not exist for your gaze, nor do we appreciate the drooling. Yes, we are hot but please have some respect. Thank you in advance and have a great day!)
@@Zoey-Aphroditegirl what
I loved it. You're right the two ladies that played cartman and butters were incredible.
3:46 Eric is the most interesting character in the show, and I used to relate with him because people thought I was fat too growing up. (I wasn't fat).
It will never not be South Park unless people on both sides of the argument point to the episode and say "See! They completely agree with me and the other side is stupid!"
Exactly. Lol
South Park is such a good show, both sides want to claim it as their own
Then why the exchange between Kennedy and Cartman in the end?
Then why the exchange between Kennedy and Cartman in the end?
In an odd way, I am happy that Matt and Trey went forward with this special knowing full well how ridiculous the culture wars have become to the point where satire mocking anyone participating in either narrative is weaponized to drive harmful rhetoric towards specific groups of people. And people on both sides saying that the special is talking about a specific side forget that South Park has ALWAYS been about dunking on both sides, sometimes to great effect and other times not quite sticking the landing. The Family Guy episodes is a great example of that; clearly they wore their hatred of the show on their sleeves and nothing was censored. They went for the kill every time they could to the point that the Family Guy staff couldn't ignore it. And yet in the same episodes they said that Family Guy still has value for some and that it shouldn't be censored or have its staff receive threats from anyone.
Same goes with the "Passion of the Jew" episode; they legit showed the three sides regarding the "Passion of the Christ" argument with Cartman being the extreme fanatic that took the film as a call to action against Judaism, Kyle feeling ashamed of his Jewish faith due to the violence portrayed in the film, and Stan and Kenny just being indifferent about it all, even if the show went out of its way to paint Mel Gibson as being a nutjob. So even if within the storyline you can see Matt and Trey quietly state their piece, they still make sure that all sides are equally mocked. So this special would be nothing new if it wasn't for the culture war that now has made it impossible to discuss film and TV without people worrying if its woke or not. Just watch South Park be watched through a 'woke" lense one of these days...
I haven't watched the episode, but I definitely learned that I have been part of that "anti-woke" crowd, but didn't know how to differentiate that between shows with genuinely good representation. I love the direction original shows are going these days with very diverse casts, and now I'm going to me more aware as I watch those shows. Thanks 2 Cellos for recapping and reviewing this. It helped me a lot! :)
I scrolled through 8 clips on Twitter to land on one in which encompasses the entire meaning behind the special.
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Its hilarious to see OOC clips.
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holy shit youre actually analyzing and criticizing things instead of just retelling the plot of the plot
IKR??? He's actually talking against the title!