What Else Was I Going To Do? - Law & Order
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From Season 5, Episode 3 "Blue Bamboo" - A young actress (Laura Linney) claiming to have been the victim of a white slavery ring becomes the prime suspect when a wealthy Japanese businessman is murdered.
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What she is describing is the dark side of hostess clubs in Japan and a real issue for foreigners and Japanese people. Unfortunately the politicians go to these clubs and don't want better legislation to protect the workers.
And you know this how?
And you do realise she's an actress playing a fictional character in a very unrealistic crime drama?
@@thehellyousay yes and like I said the episode and the actress speaking was describing a very real and very dark side of how women working hostess clubs are commonly treated and trapped by their pimps. Living in Japan and knowing many different people, I have heard their stories and seen the news and charities try time and time again to bring light to the issue. But those that can make real nationwide choose not to.
There are a lot of missing women and bodies dumped in Japan related to these clubs. No one talks about this.
There's an even larger problem here and that is the whole practice of "bait and switch." She went there to sing. He switched the terms of the business. This is a very old sort of con job.
What bothered me about this case is that there are women who are incarcerated for having killed their abusers in self-defense, they never got A proper defense at trial. But because this one’s pretty blue eyes and blond haired with a very expensive lawyer, It’s a case of: oh you poor thing, there’s nothing we won’t do, how dare he, she is so courageous.
James Gray She was not convicted she was acquitted.
She had me until she admitted going to his room with him. What does she expect such a beast to do? She's in mortal fear of her own life but goes back to his room with him? She's in a public place at the restaurant. He's going to do nothing with everyone else around. Now had he broken into her apartment, then it's a clear case of self defense. Her going back to his room? Sorry, lost all sympathy for her when she did that. And I['m sorry she was acquitted. Miscarriage of justice there.
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The important thing to look at in such situations is whether or not the victim and the abuser would have continued to be in some form of contact after.
Sure, the abuser wouldn't likely try anything in a public setting, but tomorrow? The day after? Do they work together? Does the victim rely on them for some particular reason or do they have a position of power or connections that would hurt the victim's ability to just live their life normally?
These factors also play a part (though I don't know about this episode in particular). I feel similarly though.
The amount of sympathy I have for people who choose to accept putting themselves into possibly dangerous situations with people they don't like or trust? Goes down. But I have to remember or take into consideration the context
@@juliantapia1407 Had I been her, I would *_NEVER_* have gone back to his room with him. That's just asking to be exploited/raped. There are ways around all the rest. There is no getting around going to a private place with a known exploiter/rapist.
Law & Order is NOT real life courtroom drama. The person on trial is always a great looking/model white person with perfect communication style and impeccable education. It can't be a person of color (African/Hispanic descent) because that is politically incorrect to portray them as murderers. It must be a white person. And they are always so well spoken, so courageous. If Law & Order were anything like real life courtroom drama, it would not be a successful show because everything would be obvious long before the trial starts. There would be no drama.
If I recall, a lot of money was stolen from the dead Japanese guy by the “victim,” but it was never brought up when questioning her.
"What else was I gonna do?"
1. Call the police.
2. Run.
3. Not seek him.
4. All of the above.
Get help is another option as well
@@Fionabejeweled2001 What do you think "call the police", means?
@@Live-Life-Freely I know just saying here all of the above also see some what I mean by get help is see someone who could help her cope with her trauma from his actions that's what I mean by get help
@@Live-Life-Freely like go to a rehab and get help is what I mean
Without proof they wouldn't have been able to do anything. I would have killed him too.
1:20 Idk why but the “professional” way in which she said “I just wanted to go home” tipped me off. It was like she was faking it up. Of course, she was, but that probably was vocal foreshadowing
Laura Linney is such an underrated actress in my opinion.
It would be self defense if SHE DIDN'T GO AFTER HIM! This was never self defense. Not even vigilantism. This is just blind vengeance and murder.
She's a murderer, and all she had to do was play victim and bumble in tears.
Also, she had other options WELL BEFORE THAT. "I didn't know what to do, he had my passport." Holding someone's passport is illegal. Well, technically your passport isn't even yours at all, it always remains the legal property of the government that issued it and it is for the exclusive use of the person to whom it was issued (they all seem to say that right on them, "my" passport does). Governments don't like it when people hold the passports issued to their citizens and they have the added stick of threatening someone for holding government property. She could have reported him to the embassy and they could have demanded it returned and it that failed, invalidate it as stolen and issue another. Holding your passport isn't really much of control all, they aren't magical objects you are lost without. They get lost, damaged and stolen all the time (probably dropped into the sea off of cruise ship peers a fair bit too). The data on them are in files and There are systems to replace lost, stolen or damaged passports that have existed for a long time. If you are in a foreign country and someone won't demand your passport and won't give it back, call your embassy. I also find it odd that she says "no one cared that I can sing" - like the REAL offense was to her career.
Sadly battered woman syndrome is real, where the only way they feel safe would be to kill their abuser. This lady didnt have it and cases like that only harm the woman who actually have it.
Havent i heard this story before? Perhaps in a movie? Isnt this the plot of every vigilante action movie?
Google B.S.S, they feel they have no other option to beat them to the crime or die.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
Hey, that's Laura Linney. It's always neat to see L&O grab an actor on their way up.
L&O gets a LOT of up and comers. They got Sebastian Stan pre-MCU.
"I made macaroni!" For some reason, that's the one line I always think of when I see Laura Linney.
She'll always be Mary Ann to me.
What the hell are you talking about? Who are you talking too?
@@Delly16 the Truman Show
@@biggsjeep9584 yeah I know 😂 that’s what Jim Carey says back to her after she says that line.
I'll never be able to see past her performance in The Truman Show...truly one of the greatest ever on film, reminds me of the "Golden Age" of films, from the 40s and 50s.
Every battered woman DOES experience the same feelings and expresses herself in similar ways. I've looked for books by others who've lived through experiences not unlike mine and am aghast at how we follow much the same script. Shared experience, shared feelings same words.
Bingo!
LOL she got those lines from a book smh
I miss Sam Waterston as Jack MaCoy he was the best lawyer I think
He was a bit too hungry to win I liked Ben Stone more
Sometimes he goes on SVU, but I think he's just there for lawyers to consult to. I haven't watched SVU in years due to the content, but I seem to remember episodes where the prosecution would seek out Jack to speak to him.
2nd best character in the series. Check out Warning Sign; Umbrella Corporation's origin. (Starring Sam Waterton) Best character, hands down, is Lenny!
Attorney defence
@@jxswu3224 I'm a big fan of Ben Stone!
To me, she can't say its self defense and that she was in fear of her life. If she was in fear of her life then she wouldn't have agreed to see him in his hotel room, and she wouldn't even be seeing him in the first place. If he approached her in the street, then she can say she was in fear of her life, but the fact that she went and talked to him, that's isn't going to fly.
Sounds like she premeditated to have an altercation and kill him. Can't claim self defense if you pre plan to defend yourself.
@@buxadonoff That's true also,
what most likely happened is after being in Japan and living this lavish lifestyle she went home to her normal life and decided she wanted to go back and went to his hotel room with the intention of killing him black mailing him or begging him for her old lavish life back
@@RutgerKresnik I can see that happening.
You could tell that when Laura Linney appeared on this L&O she was destined to do big things in hollywood, that she had the acting chops to be more than just a guest actor on a show.
She was amazing in Ozark
@@MsWarriordiva John Adams also
Big, big talent.
She's great, but there are hundreds of other Broadway actors besides her that have been on Law and Order that were as good or better, but didn't get the break into stardom (or at least name recognition). It's talent, and a ton of luck.
You aint FALLING for this, are you Jack?
Holy cow, do I love Laura Linney! Didn't realize she had ever been on Law and Order.
Her male attorney could be a voice twin for Michael Douglas
Its weird but so true
Dude I thought it was him. Then I looked at the screen🤣
I hear a slight similarity I would like to hear him speak more.
@@ginam.6787 I was listening to the video on the way home and until I saw this comment, I thought that was him...
She’s a liar. Fake crying, no tears. Oooh... here comes the prosecution!!
She is a vindictive murderer. No remorse!
Laura Linney hasn't aged a DAY. I thought this was the thumbnail from the Richard Gere/Edward Norton film "Primal Fear".
This is law and order not primal fear
This is from 1994
Ok so
@@wzelo5680 Ok so?
The OP seems to think this episode is new as they are saying Laura Linney looks the same as she did in Primal Fear. This episode is not new as it came out in 1994, before Primal Fear.
If you want to "Ok so" anyone do it to yourself. Obviously they know what this is and you're commenting that this is law and order. Idiot.
Wowzer it really concerns me for your picture you have club penguin
So she's afraid for her life but she meets him for drinks and goes back to his room ?
She was only a little afraid...
In another clip from earlier in this episode, a waitress described the defendant's behavior at the restaurant where the defendant met with Hayashi. It was pretty clear that she was nothing like scared.
Also, when she says, "The gun was in my hand. I don't know what I did next. It's a blur," I think, REALLY? I'm pretty sure this "lost memory" thing is, IRL, extremely rare. It does not have the ring of truth to it.
What makes this even more compelling is that there are things at play that do happen to some people. E.g. for those enduring years-long domestic violence finally being in the position of implementing a plan to get out, even if escaping will be months away, can produce a change in demeanor. When I had paid my divorce attorney and put in motions the steps to get an apartment, etc., my ex and their friends noticed a change in me, that I began challenging the things my ex said about me in front of others and didn't instantly back down from the fight that resulted. Fortunately for me they misread it; they were convinced it was proof that I was having an affair! Therapy over the years since has been interesting as I deal with finally being able to process a lot of memories I had shut away about what happened. It's not been the major things but the bizarrely petty cruel ones, particularly ones that also hurt my ex and nobody gained anything from it (except, likely, that to my ex the satisfaction of hurting me was worth also being harmed by the action.)
Only problem with the first part is that the waitress wasn't able to confidently identify the defendant in a lineup. Her testimony would be easily refuted by any competent defense attorney.
“He said I smelled. All Americans smell bad.”
DEAD!!!
😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀
They do 🤷♀️
Blue Bamboo from Season 5. Terrific episode with all my favorites, Logan, Briscoe, Kincaid and McCoy.
Women like her think claiming abuse and dramatic acting protects her from consequences for her actions.
Yeah, I’ve read a lot of news accounts of men who do the same (and they’re the rapists). And then make judges give them a slap in the wrist and let them go.
@@patricelockertanthony1469 can't count how many mens lives have been ruined by false charges where women's wrist aren't even looked at let alone slapped
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@Patrice Lockert Anthony
You're both wrong. Be quiet.
@@lindashultz6339
I don't slap women's wrists.
I go for the hiney.
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She lowered her eye contact once McCoy stared straight at her. That is a telltale of a liar. Drama queen no two ways about it.
not necessarly. I was menatally abused as a kid, this maks me really insecure and nervous. Eyecontact creeps me out and rarly hold it even with those I know.
Antonio Costa Victims of abuse, especially sexual abuse have difficulties interacting with people of the same gender as their abuser.
It’s also a telltale sign of shame.
Staring straight into someone's eyes can also be a sign of intimiidation. Abusers use it to intimidate victims.
Her blink rate was also too high, that's a sign of stress.
I love the part with the books 📚
I love you, Laura Linney. I'll always love you 💓
Laura Linney was great in The Exorcism of Emily Rose. She shoulda won an Oscar.
No
This episode ended in the jury finding the defendant not guilty. She was guilty as sin. She went after him when she found out he was in New York. There was no evidence proving that he traveled to New York to track her down. Her defense testimony on the stand was weak. Most or all of the people on the jury had to be very naive.
She's not just a singer: she's an actress!
“ ℹ️ was nothing to him. ℹ️ had to do something to stop the pain.” 🤭
yeah... "please read this" " no thank you, i didn't not write this book, so, while you are more than welcome to read this out loud, i will not!!!"
Excellent episode. Sam Waterston as Jack McCoy is incredibly hot
sounds like you want to marry him...
& be the next Mrs. McCoy ❤❤❤❤❤@@user-bl7sb8dn9h
0:05, That lawyer's voice... He sounds like a younger Michael Douglas (when he played Gordon Gekko).
I liked Jack McCoy because of his flaws. It made him human to me. Ben Stone could be a little too perfect.
I like Ben because when he got serious his voice got lower and hushed... Yet more foreboding.
The very ending is awesome
Distressing but not surprised
So a man that hurt you in another country, has come to your country. You believe to find you, couldn't be any other reason. So instead of finding help or hiding or ya know actually seeking any kind of help....YOU seek HIM out and YOU attack HIM?
Absolutely NOT, you were NOT scared. You were angry, rightfully so, so YOU SOUGHT HIM OUT YOURSELF, and got you revenge.
"he was ALL OVER ME"....but... "told me I wasn't attractive to him and I was smelly"
What the actual hell is the laziness of this writing.??
Totally! I was in an abusive relationship. I didn't kill him. It took me years, but I finally kicked him to the curb. He threatened me, he harassed me, he cyberstalked me. But I didn't kill him. I am neither a judge nor an executioner.
I don't understand the reasoning - Wasn't the bad experience in Japan enough? If she was that afraid she didn't have to go up to his room.
Love her on Ozark!
He had my passport? In Tokyo? Call the US consulate, they can help you get out of the country? This is nonsense
If you have access to a phone, if they let you out...
I wish they had addressed how this is a typical stereotype - the Asian man “enslaving” a white woman. I don’t know whether she’s guilty or not, but race is definitely an issue here
They have stories on how some Japanese men do that and how white women can make a lot of money in their clubs and spend time with rich Japanese men in Japan.
It is a stereotype but there is real truth to it.Many asian men are attracted to white women and they specifically have rich Japanese men that will pay extra money to spend time with white women.
Many white men are attracted to asian women and that is a stereotype too but there is tons of truth to it.Some white men prefer asian women over white women and some will even pay extra like the Japanese men I am comparing them with.
Early 90s. They didn't need to make it explicit, Japan taking over America was a real fear then.
The stereotype is part of the inspiration for this episode. Law and Order is a topical show and a lot of those topics have stereotypical elements to them.
Its true though. They are a exotic type every asian wishes to have.
@@xerex21212 Lol...nope. No it was not 😂
This is ridiculous, the defendant has no evidence, she went with a man she was supposedly deathly afraid of back to his room even though she was in a public place with no reason or expectation to do so and she admitted to killing him BECAUSE OF A LOOK.
there was no warning, by her own admission no indication of being uncomfortable when he allegedly started touching her in the bar and to top it off this is a he said she said situation, where he can't say anything because hes dead! From the other side this could be the story of a crazy ex client/girlfriend that stalked her old boss back to his hotel room and shot him because he told her to leave.
Theres a good trick for determining if something is sexist, cross out the names and flip the genders then read it out loud. If it gets the same reaction it's kosher and if you have to convince yourself to see it the same way its not.
Hey look it's wendy byrde. Just finished season 3. Worth waiting for😵🤑
A person can be in a real bind in a foreign country if the visitor doesn't know the language or have any personal contacts there.
Well seeking him out to kill him just because he's in town is probably the dumbest thing to do you have to wait till he get's to you todo that so that YOUR not the one on trial.
Laura Linney is so pretty 😍
It can be very difficult for someone in another country. You don't know the language and you don't understand the customs or legal system. "Bait and switch" is all-too-common. People answer ads for this or that and find out it's something completely different.
No idea whether she was telling the truth because I haven’t seen the episode, and I’m guessing L&O like to leave it ambiguous, but I’m confused by the amount of comments making out she is definitely a liar because her decisions don’t make sense. If she was indeed being abused and kept hostage, the idea is to make them feel like the logical is impossible. If they were thinking straight they’d get out and we’d not have constant cases of wife/husband battery, abusive relationships, grooming, etc
That said the quoting from the book definitely doesn’t help 😂
The problem isn't whether the defendant lied here. It is the reality that sexual slavery is very real.. and very much happens the way she wove her story. This is another episode that would never have aired in first run today.. because it reminds people that there are women who lie.. but also the simple truth is that the reality is there are men like the victim everywhere.. and pretending they are not there "made her actions okay".
if she thought it was self defence she, wouldn't have lied about it
“He said I could pay him back by being more friendly” R E D F L A G G O R L
Dude even held “auditions” in a hotel room for girls who “made it”
Audition which was a popular disturb Jhorror of the 90 reflected how some powerful men in real life hosted fake audition to find a girlfriend in Japan
Why didn’t Claire Kincaid take over from Ben Stone instead of the replacement?
She dies in a car accident
Miriam Toyama No i meant in season 5 after Ben Stone resigns, they should’ve given Ben Stone’s job to her
A legitimate question. My best guess is that she didn't have enough experience for the role. Schiff would want someone who had been a lead prosecutor. Kincaid had always sat in the second chair and very seldom cross-examined witnesses.
According to the story, she didn't have enogh experience to receive that position of ADA.
I guess they tried to make up for it when Nora Lewin was introduced as D.A.
Wait I wonder; if he held her hostage with her passport, how come she couldn’t go to an Embassy? I don’t know exactly how it works, but wouldn’t the embassy provide some sort of sanctuary if she told her situation to the workers there and try to help in some way?
I was thinking the same
He would have her followed by his 'henchmen' if he had them .
It is possible that she was too scared to think straight, or believed that he would be able to stop or deal with it somehow.
Of course, also possible she made the whole thing up.
Usually, these women are not allowed to go out.
Look at those shoulder pads..
Who's?
PUT THE EARLY SEASONS BACK ON STREAMING SERVICES !!!!
Great main actress.
I was trying to figure out who the actress for the blonde lady is and it hit me - shes' Trumans' wife!
Poor Laura Linney. Thank god she's found a home on PBS.
Love you L.L.!!!!!🖐🏽🖐🏽❤❤💯🙏😂😂😘😍
If only he would have bought one of those new Elk Rotaries.
Baby Laura L.! So young here..
Yeah, right, BLONDIE.
If the backstory is correct. I would still go with intentional manslaughter, because his abuse caused her actions, even if they were premeditated. He contacted here after she went back to the u.s. and stalked and threatened her. 3-15, since the premeditiation was big in this one and take into account the actions of the victim, I would go with 5 years, to parole in 2,5. . No way, she should get first degree murder or acquitted.
I saw only the end of this episode so I have no idea who was in the right. I do know this however, for all their talk in this episode about American racism towards the Japanese, they seem to overlook just how racist the Japanese are. And also, Asian cultures in general are a very patriarchal society. And the fact is, they Japanese did use forcefully conscripted "comfort women" during WWII. Not to mention one of their country's most famous shrines is dedicated to individuals who the greater international community have condemned as war criminals.
Unit 731...🐰🌑
Oh, you mean Yasukuni Shrine?
They thought the books are evidence against her?? Bruh, battered women use those books to study other victims and learn the history they they went through themselves as well! That woman was enslaved basically which is why it was justified and was acquitted
Joseph Balan that is IF you believe her testimony, which happens to be the only evidence against the deceased. It also leaves it open, but the jury may have acquitted because of the anti-Japanese sentiments that existed in the 80s and 90s.
She definitely was abused, she showed the signs of it
Joseph Balan You know, there was a case about a woman who was molested and raped as a child. When that woman grew up and had a daughter, in order to keep her husband’s money, divorce him, and get him incarcerated, she teaches her daughter how to act like a molested minor. That in itself would’ve gotten him at least 25 years (I’m pretty sure. Can’t remember.) in prison. After much investigation, it turned out that the mother had instilled in her daughter a whole story about how her stepfather had supposedly “molested” her. The daughter knew what she was doing was wrong, but there was the loyalty-to-mom thing going on. The reason why the investigation took so long was because the mom had ACTUALLY been molested and raped by her stepfather when she was a child so she knew perfectly how to act and what to say in order to portray oneself as a molestation/rape victim.
When the daughter was asked if she knew the consequences that would fall on the completely innocent stepfather (25+ years in prison) , she said yes and still went on to affirm her “molestation” story despite it being revealed that he was the kindest and most father-like figure in her life. When he came home from a long day at work, he still played with her, helped her do her homework, and even invited her and her friend out the eat ice cream and go to the park. Yet, she still went and sided with her mother who used her.
I’m not saying anything about your statement. Just that you shouldn’t readily believe everyone. Unless you know the case through and through, in which case disregard my unsolicited advice.
Why go up to his hotel room and pursue?
She sought him out
Kinda hard to see Laura as just another L&O guest...what a phenomenal actress, looking back it's like trying to pretend Marlon Brando is just some defendant in another procedural episode 🤣
Just walk into the American embassy and say someone has stolen your passport. Problem solved
So they don't let you go out, let alone even close to the embassy...
Guilty!
Isn't she from The Truman Show
Anger fear revenge also known as a f r triangle
After what she did to Truman, give her the chair haha.
Anyone else think of this episode when Amber Heard took the stand and started using lines from movie in part of her story?
these kind of episodes really hit different after the amber heard case.
Damn, I've just watch a clip from Enter: the Dragon which has the same storyline as this episode.
Two people fight, part ways.
Later one of those two tracks down and kills the other.
That aint self defense .
Sounds more like an incompetent assassination.
Incompetent? Her target was dead and up until cross exam revealed her crib notes, she was on the way to getting acquitted. That’s better than a lot of murderers.
The voice of Starfire was in there also.
Does anyone know what happened in the end ?
She gets acquitted (not guilty)
Is this the same woman from The Truman Show?
Yes
@@patricverlinden5766 awesome thanks! Her IMDB doesn't have the exact episode number that I could see. And I'm not the best at facial recognition, but her voice and way of acting reminded me of... well... her. LoL
She is on Ozark (Netflix)
Incredible series!
Yeah, except this episode doesn’t seem to have any necessity for the insincere smile she’s always displaying in Truman show.
@@LordSavaunt Hahahaha
What was that Meryl Burbank? The actress from ‘The Truman Show’?
How stupid one can be?
I think this is the record
That's Wendy Byrde! Don't believe her!
Knew i recognised her from somewhere
Ripped from the never-seen-in-the-headlines real life of the Japanese clubs.
I don't remember this ozark episode
All the good episodes are season 5 why isn't it available?
Hay my old roommate said that to so I got a GPS tracker and wore that thing every day
If I was going to die he was going to get caught
You know, having someone passport is not the disaster movies and series make it to be. Consulates and embassy can make new passport for people who lost. Is not like if you lost your passport abroad you can never again go back to your country.
Claire... 😍😍😍
Oh, creep creep creeping.....
Does anyone know the ending of this episode? Was Linney's character convicted or acquitted or what?
She got off. They came back with a not guilty verdict.
@@LibertBelle-dl6xp I can see why. And it's not just a matter of "feminism." The victim had brutally exploited her, had forced her to do things sexual, and she had a legitimate physical fear of him.
@@denisenoemyschizotypaldiso3755 she went towards him
@@denisenoemyschizotypaldiso3755 rather why go to his hotel room
@@biruss I agree: there is a legal problem here. Why not notify authorities that you are scared and why you are scared? There is a smack of revenge and vigilante justice.
There's my girl I believe that's Laura Linney I have the biggest crush on her and same with the blonde district attorney because they kind of look alike they always play the brainie it seems
You mean Elizabeth Rohm (who played Serena Sutherlyn)?
Women like these and Amber heard are an insult to real victims
Wait! Is this Law & Order or the Simpsons?? They when and did a prediction of Amber Heard!! They have Elaine to boot!
I don't remember there being any proof of an abuse
After this she changed her name to Wendy and went to work for a cartel.
Omg she's from The Truman Show
Just watched the Truman show.
"White Slavery ring?"
Modern day Geisha. The bad kind.
I have to say this.
If her statement about the abuse is true- which is very well could be- Then her self-defense case could be justified. This is a very real situation that can occur- where a man (or even woman, but less likely so) could tell a woman or young man that they could make hundreds. They show up, and get paid hundreds just so someone can sit next to them, give them a drink, maybe hold their hand. But then they take your passport, your way of freedom, they cut off your contacts, and they threaten you, and tell you to make the money you owe them. You don't actually owe them anything, they were the one that volunteered you to try this new position to get money. But they gaslight you. And then you're stuck. They could easily pick up, move you, and boom. You don't know where you are, why you're there, and you're indebt to a person who said they'd voluntarily give you something, and now you're being forced to do a job that you 'deserve'. And you get beaten. And Insulted.
The battered-woman syndrome can be used to defend her point as, case in point- BWS is a form of PTSD. The simple knowledge of him being there is enough to cause her concern, because of what he said to her prior. Simply meeting him, her PTSD could have easily caused her to do what she did. However, I feel that it should be taken into consideration that PTSD doesn't always cause these reactions, and Nobody should justify murder using PTSD if they themselves don't have it, or don't have a reason for their PTSD to be related to the murder. In this case, her PTSD is directly related.
Many people in the comments have said 'She had me until she went back with him'- Let this be put into perspective. You and a random Man meet. The man tells you he'll give you a job offer. He looks professional, and rather kind. You accept and he shows you where you'd work. You realize the issue after noticing the red flags. You tell him you want to leave. He beats you and threatens you and tells you that you owe him. You manage to get away. You meet him again, and he's still threatening you. He has you alone. There may not be any true, clean cut escape route. If you try to run, what will he do? It's best to go with him. Better to listen. So you don't get hurt again.
THAT is the perspective of someone who has been abused. Do not go 'If you were abused, you wouldn't-' You don't KNOW that. There is a reason that abuse victims sometimes end up with abusers repeatedly. Because BWS can ALSO cause people to believe they DESERVE the abuse. People go back over and over again because of the psychological trauma from what happened.
What she did though. If she had showed up, gun in purse, already intending to kill him- rather than feeling threatened, and being forced into a room, where she had to use a random object as self-defense- That is probable for a murder case. If the gun was simply there for self-defense, and she had felt threatened in the moment- then That is probable for a self-defense case.
In her words- She showed up just to tell him how she felt. To get that weight off of her chest. However, when she got there; He started treating her in a way that caused her fear. She was afraid for her life, and she even says she doesn't know why she said yes to him. This kind of case is iffy- because if you convict her, and she was proven to have been acting in self-defense; You've just arrested a woman who was a victim. But if you don't, and she goes free, and it was proven to be pre-meditated murder; You've released a criminal that should be arrested.
And using those books- just because She had books in which she could have read those words and gotten the idea of making this defense.. It isn't to terrible to assume she got the books because of how she felt. That connection, personally, feels like a bit of a stretch. To assume her defense is built on reciting lines from books. They might be similar, but there are plenty of cases where someone could say those exact words- yet never have seen a book like that in their life.
Anyway- That's all, thanks for coming to my ted-talk. If anyone wants to make a case against her- feel free to reply to my comment. (If you'd like, a similar format would be appreciated. It'd be easier for me to read. If you can't, that's fine too.)
She was free from him once she lived in NY. Why seek him out and Go back to talk with him if she was fearful of him? She could have called him up, not pursueed. Why re-entangle? Manslaughter and 4 years
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is that wendy byrde omg!!