Hi Ron, another good show. I really am enjoying these. Yes, the 30 cals are done and dusted. Please tell your viewers to leave all the 30 Carb, 30-30, 300 Sav, 308 Win, 30-06, 300 Win, 300 RUM and 300 Wby ammo on the shelves for ME. If any view is troubled by having those at home, by all means, feel free to ship it to ME. Thank you. Cheers, Jeff
I agree. This guy bugs me. One video he’ll say 300 win mags are terrible and not necessary and that the 270 is the best. Then the next video he’ll say 270 is terrible 25-06 are the best caliber all around. Then he pulls out ballistics from old loading manuals and uses the science to compare all these guns.
I love my hard hitting hard kicking calibers. When looking for a long range shooter I could have requested any caliber I wanted, however, I decided on the .300 win mag for not only the long range power but also because I was already reloading the .30-06 and I could use pretty much the same powders, bullets etc in both the 06 and the .300 win mag.
I am considering getting one. I love my 06s, but see no flies on the shorter son. Any military, or former, cartridge will have much more available ammunition and components. 308 Win has been one of the more available and reasonably priced cartridges of late. Certainly capable of taking any game in USA at reasonable ranges and available rifles in every platform, including AR.
.308 there is a lesser 7.62x51 variant and my brothers Rock River Arms Varmmit A4 with the blued barrel is going to be his deer hunting gun seeing how easy the ammo is to find as his 243 is broken and is stuck as a single shot due to Savage had some issues with the early versions of the model he got in the 2000's. He plans to sell his 234 with maybe keeping the scope for a different gun to a local Gun Shop that has ability to fix the gun before he is selling it as he only needs the one Deer gun and has a single smaller ammo of under 7 rounds, a 5 for hunting. 30-30 should never be gone too as that is one of the most popular rounds for a Deer rifle in the USA besides the 243 Remmington Pump Varment I have for hunting Deer as I am a lefty, and 270 Dad has for Deer/one time he got a hard to get Elk tag for the one part of South Dakota they have Elk.
@@travissmith-wz5nc The only time I could see a large .30 cal round being used is for the maybe 30-06 but currently the 308/Nato designation to hunt large mule deer or Elk on up in the USA or as an easier to find replacement for the 270 in modern times knowing the ammo due to NATO designation is always going to be made.
@@caseysmith544 well that was the thought behind what I said. The problem is the kids that like the new gagits and toys. Not a believer in them for big game past 250 yards.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I like 06 and have 3 rifles with tuned ammo. 1 hole per 5 shots at 100. Can hit a 10' paper plate at 400 yards every time in a dead wind. Dropped whitetail at 600 yards. 5 deer with 5 shots on the first weekend for years... Stopped loading Win 300 and 270 too much variation in loads with temperature thought the 300 is a close second. 308 is light military and a wasted time developing.
I bought a Remington 700 in 1972 in 30-06. I have taken everything from Brown bear to white tail and prairie dogs. Back then the bullet selection was insane. From 4,000 fps sabot 22s to 220 gr round nose Core-Lokt. There was virtually no game off limits. We even had a 300 yard challenge on squirrels with our pals.
Absolutely right cuz 308 is the one around that you can pretty much find all the time if there's anything on the shelves they stock 308 and 22 and 12 gauge where I'm at
@@chaseyourdreams4104 Or where I live 20, 12, 22 and 208/7.62 where I live, yes 20 guage was gone at one point during the pandemic of gun buying in 2021 or all they had was extra low brass led in 7 on up. In most states, you can't hunt or can't hunt on public with led shotgun round nore does a 7 on up make for a good hunting round with 8 & 9 being crap even for clay targets.
As a retired elk guide in western MT I can tell you without a doubt that far too many hunters think a big magnum will make up for poor shooting. They also think that they can shoot accurately at 600 yards if their cartridge can. I spent far too much time tracking woulded elk to the point I almost felt like forcing them to use the camp 308. I remember pone hunt where a guy from WI camp to camp with a 270. The other 8 hunters in camp gave him some good nature teasing. All but one hunter got a shot. My guy and his 270 scored the only bull. A beautiful 260 yard shot right thru the lungs. The elk took 10 steps and fell over dead. Rifles don't make up for poor marksmanship nor the inability to hunt forward for a closer shot
Ron's flip-flops, as alleged, are the best evidence that each cartridge has its place, with none being the best at everything. Our job as shooters is to know what we are shooting, what we are shooting at, the advantages and limitations of the cartridge in our rifles, the ballistic and terminal performance of that cartridge, and our own limitations. Ron presentation helps me understand all that better. I am thankful for this channel.
There is NO caliber that has more selections and bullet styles and weights than the .30 hands down, and one gun Can and does do it all the 300 mags for my the win mag
We live on different sides of the planet.... .30 and especially 308win has never been more popular, I estimate that over 80% of new sold rifles in Sweden are in 308win. It works great, easy on the shooter and is the least expensive center fired ammo around
@@robertodebeers2551 Among existing rifles, 6.5-55 is a large proportion. (also lots of 30-06, 9.3-57 & 9.3-62). But for new, the large majority is in .308 for pure hunting rifles and newer 6.5CR and similar for rifles also used for sport shooting.
I had the same dilemma with my 30-06. I wanted to go up to a Magnum. Looked at the 338 Winchester Magnum but decided that the 300 win mag was only marginally less powerful but I can maintain 30 caliber bullets that would also work in my 30-06.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that at least 50% of the American hunting community hunts with either 30-30, 308 or 30-06. They simply work and been around forever. I personally use 30-06 in multiple rifles.
Agreed! Here in Ireland: 270, 7mag, 308, 30-06. Almost no 30-30. Guys who bought 6.5 Creedmore for hunting went back to the above after one season deer hunting. That’s what dealer friends are telling me.
I love the 338 bore! My personal choice is the 338/06AI and the 338 RUM. The 338/06 is incredibly reliable with just about any makers bullet , I had a good stash of 200 gr ballistic tips which were a great deer/elk bullet. The ultra mag is simply a hammer!
Please name the animal which will walk off a hit from a .264, but get bodied by a .308. I'd be very interested to know this new species you've apparently discovered.
Watch out Hrdrockfarm, you've got a Creedy fan on your tail. Or maybe a 264 Win, 260 Rem, 6.5x55 or a slue of the newbie 6.5 cartridges. Have fun with, be kind. 😁👍
Horandy only had to spend millions in advertising and some under the table cash to "influencers"to promote the cringemoor, when the 6.5x47 already was well established
I am the proud owner of a Ruger #1 standard chambered in 300 weatherby. It has a 26 inch barrel but the rifle is the same overall length as my 22 inch 30/06 bolt gun.
In Afghanistan, a marine company was noticing differences in service life of their barrels. It was a very active company and the rifles were getting a lot more workout than other military units. Investigated and discovered that the hammer forged barrels were the ones lasting longer. Not a downcheck for cut or button rifling. They worked well, but the hammered barrels were lasting longer. While the 30's aren't getting a lot of "new press", there's still a whole lot of 30 caliber shooters. Tried and true. Ever loyal. They aren't going to disappear any time soon.
Ron, you mentioned the 338 win mag but forgot about the 338-06! If you’re making a comparison between a 30-06 and any of the .338 caliber chamberings, that one is hard to ignore. I think the benefit of a .338 bullet in the 30-06 case is pretty apparent from the ballistic charts with better retained energy at distance even before you step up to the win mag. It even has some benefits on top of the 35 Whelen with the better BC of those .338 bullets, although I think one of your cartridge comparisons between the 30-06, 338-06 and the 35 Whelen would be pretty neat. Great video as always!
I made similar comments in my long treatise regarding several things covered in this video. I have both 35 Whelen and 338-06. Just think how versatile the 30-06 case is. Just about anything you make from it is going to be good.
Don't forget the Ruger .338 RCM. Marlin chambered their own proprietary .338 with help from Hornady, the .338 Marlin. This poor chambering used only one weight bullet, a 200 grain Hornady FTX in the Leverevolution brand. It had .30-06 ballistics to a point but was not versatile in varying bullet weights. There was a lot of money wasted on this chambering as well as the .308 Marlin, both gone and pretty much forgotten. Trying to get bolt action performance in a rifle with a tubular magazine is pure folly.
.30 will be around for a very long time. It already has but the .30 caliber is time itself. Lol it will out live you and everyone you love. I just wish they made more .30 Carbine.
Not a chance in Hell of 30 caliber dying off! Millions of us still grab our trusty 30-30, 308 Winchester, 30-06, and countless other popular 30’s every year to hunt with. Just because another gimmick cartridge has been released doesn’t mean we all will adopt it or throw out our no less effective 30’s.
Western Auto was kind of like an Ace Hardware and a Napa parts store rolled together. Our local store had most auto parts available, either shelf stock or fast order, plus they had sporting goods (guns and ammo, tents, archery, fishing equipment, coolers etc ). They also sold hunting and fishing licenses, canning equipment, tools etc, and at Christmas time they had ornaments and all kinds of kids toys for Santa to buy. They eventually went the way of Woolworths, Montgomery Wards, and the DoDo birds. I have a Marlin model 70 which is a 22 lr produced for Western Auto.
I've heard of (there is one we shoot at my grandma's) a marlin model 60 in .22 lr. I have never seen a marlin model 70. Is it a bolt action or semi auto?
I have a .300 H&H in a Winchester M70 made in 1990. Yes, it's pushfeed but I love it - a perfect match to my .375 H&H Model 70. In my opinion "the .300 H&H is obsolete because the .300 Win. Mag. came along" is bunk. The H&H is a bit less powerful than the Win mag - agreed - but the difference is so slight I doubt any animal on the receiving end could tell the difference.
Milleniell types irritate me with their inability to think independently..everything is group think with these pinheads..and now they all claim with little understanding of the history and performance the .30 calber that its obsolete...like anything else that works well but isn't current to the day.....the .30 is still the supreme caliber with its ability resist overbore while having the ability to utilize a complete range of bullet weights for all hunting applications , military use , and military match use.....the only other caliber that has similar footing is 7mm...all other calibers lack this wide range versatility...
every body has a 30 cal ,i can all ways get it at any shop, and hand load 25-06 and the 300 h&h and would not swap these rounds for any new round, the 30 cal more selection when you get the twist wright they can easy compete with the new rounds, 25-06 with the wright twist ,will shoot better, and it is a old round, like the 22 swift, the new rounds do come close,
we have a hunting safari on our place in Cape York in Australia, and about 90% of the people who come along have 30cal bullets... usually 308, 30-06, or sometimes 300wm. Plus in Australia, if you want semi-auto for hunting pigs, you can't legally use anything under 308 (pretty much all the pro chopper hunters use 308).
Heck no never lol those 6.garbages will never hit deer like a big thirty will I mean never my buddy just bought a 30-378 now compare that to a need more lol 7mm mag is great but not the top lol
Grew up on a 30-30 when I wasn't bow hunting, bought a Rem 700 in 308, used it on the first day, flattened two doe , the first one dropped in it's tracks, the second one ran maybe 4 yards. 30-30 always put them down quickly too when the placement is correct.
Very many years ago i was trained on the FN-C1 and C2 in the CDN Infantry. I purchased my own 308 win because I enjoyed shooting the 7.62x51, and learned its capabilities. I reload and have never wounded or lost any game with it. I will not be getting rid of it any time, and after 40 years of using it, its like a part of me.
@@reloadnorth7722 I am aware of what your point was. 308 gets the job done no doubt about that. I was simply pointing out the depressing state of gun ownership in Canada right now.
Now I know what you meant that if all things equal ie. bullet mass then yes the 3000 ft per sec will have more recoil but the way you worded it sounded more broad stroke as in if something travels faster it will always have more recoil but I think that the easiest rebuttal to that is .223 vs .45-70. I realize what you meant but to somebody who may not know any better it did sound a little too broad stroke
Love your show. Thought you might like my Ruger #1 it is a 378 Weatherby necked down to 338 and I shoot a 225 grain bullet at 3200 ft/sec needs 115 grains of powder
Iv ended up with a couple sears shotguns and 22lrs over the years, mostly inherited. Always found them interesting imagining them being ordered through a catalog but never gave it much thought or research.
Usually if a western auto question occurs it needs to be evaluated. If it was in good shape they probably wouldn't ask. The number one is very special. It also allows reloading far beyond factory velocities with careful pressure observation. I usually can do 1-2gr over any max load without issue but I don't encourage this practice. I have 32yrs experience doing this, and only experiment with the number one or the M77.
Not going anywhere. As someone who’s lived on 22 and 26 calibers for almost 30 years. I just purchased a 3006, 300wm and 300 blackout. And the 26 was the Swedish long before the 260 and creedmoor
Western auto was bought out by advance auto . Western Auto you could get anything . From auto parts to washers and dryers and bicycles . Guns , fishing poles , everything . They had a big catalog . Greensburg Kentucky had one used to love going in there . Joe the owner of the store let me go and look at all the rifles behind the counter , and help him sale one someone was looking at . Those was good days .
I bought my first archery set at Western Auto in Baltimore City back around 1975, it was a blue fiberglass bow with field tip arrows. I got a few rabbits with that thing.
Like it or not you’re witnessing the downfall of the 30’s. They will never be completely gone, but they will decrease in size dramatically. I’m a younger guy, and I can tell you that literally nobody my age is shooting 30’s anymore. 6.5’s, 6.8’s, 7’s, and even down into the 6’s is where we are at. Even if you can reduce the recoil on the 30’s you can reduce the other calibers more. There is no reason to shoot a 30 anymore, unless you just already own one.
"New cartridge introduced which drives a 7mm caliber 160 grain bullet at 6000 feet-per-second, dropping 2 inches at 500 yards with zero drift. Design produces no recoil."; "I'll always stick to my 30-06 . . . "--signed the average 30-06 commenter. The End.
My dad had one of those 30/30s bought it before I was born. Just before he passed he gave it to my little brother. My dad killed many deer with it over the years. No problems with it that ever heard of .
Had a young soldier that owned a Ruger #1 chambered in .280 Remington. It had no serial number and the cartridge markings were in the raw and the crown was in the raw as well. He let me shoot it, awesome rifle.
I actually knew a girl (she was very petite) that hunted deer with a Ruger #1 chambered in .280. I never shot it, but she let me check it out when she stopped by my house, after a hunting trip. It was very cool.
Glad to see a reference to Western Auto, which was unique in the range of things they sold. A lot of sporting goods, which guns were a part of back then. Many small towns had these stores.
Ron, on the 30-06/338 question, I'm surprised you didn't mention the 338 Fed. I know you have a soft spot for that little darling. Don't forget the 338-06 or one of my favorites the 340 Wby. Your answer to that gentleman was spot on, with the limited info you were given. In my experience the 338 Win punches game alot harder than the old reliable 06. Punches the shooter harder too. Is it needed? No way to know. Is your insurance policy needed? No. Until it is, then it's needed real bad. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Jeff.
I've wondered about a modern rifle using Whitworth's rifle technique. In black-powder rifles, nothing else compared for accuracy & power. Not likely? I know the "bolts" it shot were not round like what we fire now. Just curious if anyone has tried in a modern rifle.
Whitworth or polygonal rifling is used in Sabatti rifles. I have a review of one, a Saphire, in 30-06 on my subscription RSOTV channel at ronspomeroutdoors.com
I have an old Western Auto .30-30 and can tell no real difference between it and the Marlin 336 other than it has a hardwood stock. Wife actually bought it for me as a birthday present because she knew I liked old guns and she picked it out at a little hole in the wall gun shop I’d never even been to myself. Turned out it be a perfectly fine rifle. Just worn enough to have some character and is now my saddle/ATV gun. I remember Western Auto and used to go there with my dad. They were neat stores as they had an cool mix of auto parts, guns, and a little bit of hardware. To me having a rifle from them adds a little uniqueness to a very common Marlin model.
Chamber pressure is irrelevant to calculating recoil. What matters is the weight and muzzle velocity of the bullet and of the gas expelled with it. As others have noted, the combined momentum of the stuff going forward has to equal the momentum of the stuff going back. Speaking of oddball Ruger No.1 calibers, I have a heavy barrel No. 1 in 32 Brewer, a Scheutzen cartridge based on the 357 Maximum. The rifle is topped by an ex-USMC Unertl target scope in the old-fashioned adjustable target mounts.
John, note it reads 30 caliber Cartridges. I believe the 300 Savage, 300 RCM, 30 TC, 308 Marlin Express, and 307 Winchester, like the 30 Rem AR, will soon fade away.
The 375 Ruger is a bit more powerful than the 375 HH, it has generally a 2 inch shorter barrel, a shorter action, and less weight, going along with that it has more recoil as well.
Correct. If I'm not mistaken Ruger has developed four chamberings all from the same parent brass: .300 RCM, .338 RCM, .375 Ruger and the .416 Ruger. If I'm wrong, please, someone correct me.
A 30-06 with 230 grain bullets beats the crap out of steel at 1000+ yards and hangs right there with the 6.5/7mm cartridges that are comparable. I guess more recoil, but at the same time there are plenty of ways to mitigate that! Also I really enjoy 30 because there are so many bullet choices!
Never gonna loose the .30 love my 300 win mag hey James if you read the comments I have a No.1 in 257 Roberts amazing rifle love it a tack driver look around in pawn shops online they are out there plenty of wild calibers love the video Ron always informative and fun thanks
The 300 Win Mag outperforms the 6.5s and 7mms on game any day, and my 300 RUM is like a AA fuel dragster compared to a stock car, it'll blow the 6.5s and 7mms away. Long live the 30s!!!!
All I could do is................ LOL!! The title is simply absurd! The most popular caliber in North America whos citizens own more guns than many militaries! Are there better calibers out there? Shure but the 30 is going nowhere!
They tried to get rid of 30-30 during the shortage. Quit supporting it early, brought the ammo back late. Tried to replace it with several cartridges, including some new straight walled cartridges and a couple AR cartridges we already had. Remington Buckhammer, 350 legend, 300 BLK, etc. Well when your flex is “it’s like a 30-30 except…”the answer is “i already have a 30-30 where is my ammo”? Nobody fell for it. For over a year the only ammo i could find was 350 legend. What a flop. Save it for straight wall states.
I have seen at least 3 hammer forged barrels that shot crappy because the bore was an uneven circumference down through it. The middle 8 to 10 inches was about 2/1000 of an inch larger than the front and back parts of the barrel. There can be issues with hammer forged barrels that people should be aware of.
You said a 3000fps rifle would recoil more than a 1000fps rifle but didn’t mention bullet weights in that equation. I know what you meant buttttttt there’s that whole 405gr .45-70 at 1000 FPS vs 55gr .223 at 3000 FPS, anyways always a pleasure watching your videos!
A 280 or 280AI is much more fun to shoot than a 3006. If I'm hunting midsized game, like deer, I'll take a 280 over the 308 or 3006 any day. The 280 or 708 is much better in windy country. 308 and 3006 aren't going away by any means though. There are a lot of options because we have a lot of personal opinions and personal preferences. It's the same with cars and trucks. There are a lot of people that think 6.5mm is a new thing. It's actually not at all. 6.5x55 swede came out in 1895, I think, and the 256 Newton/6.5-06 came out in 1913. People have been shooting mid-sized to large game with 6.5's for well over 100 years. My 6.5-06 is older and will out shoot a 270 any day! Here we go, now I got the 270 fans mad. LOL
Don't be silly with this click-bait title. The 300 Ham'r has never been stronger and more relevant! Plus you and your audience already know that 30-06, .308 and 300 win mag still have a long future, DESPITE the 6mm ARC surpassing many of their ballistics.
Yessir. On an electrical job long ago I was yakking about how I wished I had a Barrett and my good buddy Camilio from Croatia who fought in 91 said in his basso profundo voice in that commy accent: "Greg. You with your Barrett and me with my 20mm sniper rrrifle, I put a bullet in your eye from 2 miles." So I did a little, ok a lot, of checking on the 20mm including footage, and frankly it seems a bit difficult to carry. Usually those can have a team of 3, most often a team of 2 but Camilio, who was/is a big strong guy did it alone. He's my height (6'4") but more mesomorphic and he pulled it off. And no. Unless you're hunting t-rex a 50 bmg may be a tad much. I'm in the 6.5/7mm laser rangefinder crowd. I want a 220 Swift!! I can play with the wind.
When it comes to sales of new rifles the 6.5 CM is certainly very popular. Target shooting is a lot of fun and the 6.5 CM excels. Shooting at steel and hearing that 'ting' is basically like .22 plinking for grownups. But when it comes to hunting, there are millions of us guys out there who are fond of our .30 calibre rifles. .30-30, .308, .30-06, .300 win mag... all still very popular in camp. Heck, you even still see the .300 Savage from time to time. Remember the .300 H&H? It's an awesome hunting cartridge. And there are at least a few dozen other .30 calibre cartridges of less popular note. Then there are the newer ones like the .300 PRC and the .300 Norma Mag (not to be confused with the .308 Norma Mag). I don't see the .30 calibre cartridges going away any time.
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Hi Ron, another good show. I really am enjoying these.
Yes, the 30 cals are done and dusted. Please tell your viewers to leave all the 30 Carb, 30-30, 300 Sav, 308 Win, 30-06, 300 Win, 300 RUM and 300 Wby ammo on the shelves for ME. If any view is troubled by having those at home, by all means, feel free to ship it to ME. Thank you.
Cheers, Jeff
Don’t mind splitting some of the .308 you score specifically any 155 gr
@@bradreid2906 OK, you're in.
I could use some 150 grainers. Especially Nosler Partitions. I load them in 300 Savage, 308 Winchester and my out dated 300 H&H.
@@davewinter2688 you had me at 300 Savage.
.30-30 is a pain to find. Granted I go for Leverevolution ammo for that
No way. The economy of scale with 30-30, .308 Win, 30-06 and 300 Win mag alone are going to keep 30 cal alive for a *LONG* time.
And the 300 BO, 300 PRC
@@dr.froghopper6711 I don’t know if those are quite as large scale as the others I mentioned.
I agree. This guy bugs me. One video he’ll say 300 win mags are terrible and not necessary and that the 270 is the best. Then the next video he’ll say 270 is terrible 25-06 are the best caliber all around. Then he pulls out ballistics from old loading manuals and uses the science to compare all these guns.
I instantly thought this exact thing
You bet!
I love my hard hitting hard kicking calibers. When looking for a long range shooter I could have requested any caliber I wanted, however, I decided on the .300 win mag for not only the long range power but also because I was already reloading the .30-06 and I could use pretty much the same powders, bullets etc in both the 06 and the .300 win mag.
The military also adopted .338 norma magnum as well
I will always shoot 3006
🤔 I'm keeping my 308Win either way 🤣
Me to! In years past my favorite was the 30-06 but after I found a rugar 77 in 308 it’s now my favorite. I still wouldn’t part with my 06s though.
I am considering getting one. I love my 06s, but see no flies on the shorter son. Any military, or former, cartridge will have much more available ammunition and components. 308 Win has been one of the more available and reasonably priced cartridges of late. Certainly capable of taking any game in USA at reasonable ranges and available rifles in every platform, including AR.
Definitely man
I don't blame you it's a good round
The 30-06, .308 and 300 win mag will never be gone
.308 there is a lesser 7.62x51 variant and my brothers Rock River Arms Varmmit A4 with the blued barrel is going to be his deer hunting gun seeing how easy the ammo is to find as his 243 is broken and is stuck as a single shot due to Savage had some issues with the early versions of the model he got in the 2000's. He plans to sell his 234 with maybe keeping the scope for a different gun to a local Gun Shop that has ability to fix the gun before he is selling it as he only needs the one Deer gun and has a single smaller ammo of under 7 rounds, a 5 for hunting. 30-30 should never be gone too as that is one of the most popular rounds for a Deer rifle in the USA besides the 243 Remmington Pump Varment I have for hunting Deer as I am a lefty, and 270 Dad has for Deer/one time he got a hard to get Elk tag for the one part of South Dakota they have Elk.
Absolutely but the gagit kids are evolved and there now long range toys. Its hard to justify them for past 250 300 yrds on game.
@@travissmith-wz5nc The only time I could see a large .30 cal round being used is for the maybe 30-06 but currently the 308/Nato designation to hunt large mule deer or Elk on up in the USA or as an easier to find replacement for the 270 in modern times knowing the ammo due to NATO designation is always going to be made.
@@caseysmith544 well that was the thought behind what I said. The problem is the kids that like the new gagits and toys. Not a believer in them for big game past 250 yards.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I like 06 and have 3 rifles with tuned ammo. 1 hole per 5 shots at 100. Can hit a 10' paper plate at 400 yards every time in a dead wind. Dropped whitetail at 600 yards. 5 deer with 5 shots on the first weekend for years...
Stopped loading Win 300 and 270 too much variation in loads with temperature thought the 300 is a close second.
308 is light military and a wasted time developing.
I bought a Remington 700 in 1972 in 30-06. I have taken everything from Brown bear to white tail and prairie dogs. Back then the bullet selection was insane. From 4,000 fps sabot 22s to 220 gr round nose Core-Lokt. There was virtually no game off limits. We even had a 300 yard challenge on squirrels with our pals.
You will never see the 30-30 or the 30-06,308,300 win mag be totally gone in America
And the .308
Absolutely right cuz 308 is the one around that you can pretty much find all the time if there's anything on the shelves they stock 308 and 22 and 12 gauge where I'm at
@@chaseyourdreams4104 Or where I live 20, 12, 22 and 208/7.62 where I live, yes 20 guage was gone at one point during the pandemic of gun buying in 2021 or all they had was extra low brass led in 7 on up. In most states, you can't hunt or can't hunt on public with led shotgun round nore does a 7 on up make for a good hunting round with 8 & 9 being crap even for clay targets.
Yep, we just might not ever see ammo available for sale.
As a retired elk guide in western MT I can tell you without a doubt that far too many hunters think a big magnum will make up for poor shooting. They also think that they can shoot accurately at 600 yards if their cartridge can. I spent far too much time tracking woulded elk to the point I almost felt like forcing them to use the camp 308. I remember pone hunt where a guy from WI camp to camp with a 270. The other 8 hunters in camp gave him some good nature teasing. All but one hunter got a shot. My guy and his 270 scored the only bull. A beautiful 260 yard shot right thru the lungs. The elk took 10 steps and fell over dead. Rifles don't make up for poor marksmanship nor the inability to hunt forward for a closer shot
Ron's flip-flops, as alleged, are the best evidence that each cartridge has its place, with none being the best at everything.
Our job as shooters is to know what we are shooting, what we are shooting at, the advantages and limitations of the cartridge in our rifles, the ballistic and terminal performance of that cartridge, and our own limitations.
Ron presentation helps me understand all that better. I am thankful for this channel.
My son has his grandfather’s Sears 30/30, very cool piece of history
There is NO caliber that has more selections and bullet styles and weights than the .30 hands down, and one gun Can and does do it all the 300 mags for my the win mag
The 270 does everything that modern 6.5mm and 7mm do. The shift has been so to marketing mostly.
I won't be giving up my 30-06 any time soon. Nice combination of acceptable recoil and downrange performance. The 30s will live a long time in the US.
I'll take my 300 over my 6.5 or a 7mm any day. It's just my personal preference and with a suppressor the recoil is a non issue
We live on different sides of the planet.... .30 and especially 308win has never been more popular, I estimate that over 80% of new sold rifles in Sweden are in 308win. It works great, easy on the shooter and is the least expensive center fired ammo around
Well. I would have guessed the 6.5 Swedish Mauser would have been more popular where you live.
@@robertodebeers2551 Among existing rifles, 6.5-55 is a large proportion. (also lots of 30-06, 9.3-57 & 9.3-62). But for new, the large majority is in .308 for pure hunting rifles and newer 6.5CR and similar for rifles also used for sport shooting.
@@rv-14ctrl Thanks. I can see the appeal of the newer cartridges, but, like my Dad, I'm a 30-06 man.
I had the same dilemma with my 30-06. I wanted to go up to a Magnum. Looked at the 338 Winchester Magnum but decided that the 300 win mag was only marginally less powerful but I can maintain 30 caliber bullets that would also work in my 30-06.
Let's hope not! .308 all the way!!!
30 can't be gone for good, the whole country already has them in the safe.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that at least 50% of the American hunting community hunts with either 30-30, 308 or 30-06. They simply work and been around forever. I personally use 30-06 in multiple rifles.
Agreed. I use a .308. Just because of the wide variety of ammo available...30 cals will not disappear in my lifetime
I did a poll on my channel and 50% voted 30 caliber as their main hunting caliber. I think you're right.
@@ReloadingWeatherby 50%?!?!
That's nearly half. Lol
Agreed! Here in Ireland: 270, 7mag, 308, 30-06. Almost no 30-30. Guys who bought 6.5 Creedmore for hunting went back to the above after one season deer hunting. That’s what dealer friends are telling me.
I'm bringing both this year. Meaning 30-30 and .308
I love the 338 bore! My personal choice is the 338/06AI and the 338 RUM. The 338/06 is incredibly reliable with just about any makers bullet , I had a good stash of 200 gr ballistic tips which were a great deer/elk bullet. The ultra mag is simply a hammer!
LOL the clickbait is strong with this one Ron!
Yes total b.s.
He seems to really be into more and more clickbait these days. Kinda pathetic.
I think the 30's are like the Ford F-150. The 6.5 creed is like a Mini-Cooper. Mini-Coopers are neat but not functional like F150s.
Please name the animal which will walk off a hit from a .264, but get bodied by a .308. I'd be very interested to know this new species you've apparently discovered.
Watch out Hrdrockfarm, you've got a Creedy fan on your tail. Or maybe a 264 Win, 260 Rem, 6.5x55 or a slue of the newbie 6.5 cartridges. Have fun with, be kind. 😁👍
Horandy only had to spend millions in advertising and some under the table cash to "influencers"to promote the cringemoor, when the 6.5x47 already was well established
6.5 manbun
I have a Ruger #1 International in 7x57. I absolutely love it.
awesome rifle.
Fine rifle with a time-proven excellent cartridge.
I am the proud owner of a Ruger #1 standard chambered in 300 weatherby. It has a 26 inch barrel but the rifle is the same overall length as my 22 inch 30/06 bolt gun.
the Ruger-no 1 has class and the 30 cal work very well .it looks the gun makers are trying to get us to get a new gun
In Afghanistan, a marine company was noticing differences in service life of their barrels. It was a very active company and the rifles were getting a lot more workout than other military units. Investigated and discovered that the hammer forged barrels were the ones lasting longer. Not a downcheck for cut or button rifling. They worked well, but the hammered barrels were lasting longer.
While the 30's aren't getting a lot of "new press", there's still a whole lot of 30 caliber shooters. Tried and true. Ever loyal. They aren't going to disappear any time soon.
Sako uses hammer forged barrels, I've cryo-treated all my Sako barrels (simply for stress relief), and they last well.
Ron, you mentioned the 338 win mag but forgot about the 338-06! If you’re making a comparison between a 30-06 and any of the .338 caliber chamberings, that one is hard to ignore. I think the benefit of a .338 bullet in the 30-06 case is pretty apparent from the ballistic charts with better retained energy at distance even before you step up to the win mag. It even has some benefits on top of the 35 Whelen with the better BC of those .338 bullets, although I think one of your cartridge comparisons between the 30-06, 338-06 and the 35 Whelen would be pretty neat. Great video as always!
I made similar comments in my long treatise regarding several things covered in this video. I have both 35 Whelen and 338-06. Just think how versatile the 30-06 case is. Just about anything you make from it is going to be good.
Don't forget the Ruger .338 RCM. Marlin chambered their own proprietary .338 with help from Hornady, the .338 Marlin. This poor chambering used only one weight bullet, a 200 grain Hornady FTX in the Leverevolution brand. It had .30-06 ballistics to a point but was not versatile in varying bullet weights. There was a lot of money wasted on this chambering as well as the .308 Marlin, both gone and pretty much forgotten. Trying to get bolt action performance in a rifle with a tubular magazine is pure folly.
Hard to get the rifle and make the ammo, I love the 338/06 but the 338 win mag and 300 win mag are the obvious choice for an upgrade from 30/06.
.30 will be around for a very long time. It already has but the .30 caliber is time itself. Lol it will out live you and everyone you love. I just wish they made more .30 Carbine.
Not a chance in Hell of 30 caliber dying off! Millions of us still grab our trusty 30-30, 308 Winchester, 30-06, and countless other popular 30’s every year to hunt with. Just because another gimmick cartridge has been released doesn’t mean we all will adopt it or throw out our no less effective 30’s.
300wsm. 30 06.... 308 and 3030 and the 270 are king in my part of the country... Thanks
Western Auto was kind of like an Ace Hardware and a Napa parts store rolled together. Our local store had most auto parts available, either shelf stock or fast order, plus they had sporting goods (guns and ammo, tents, archery, fishing equipment, coolers etc ). They also sold hunting and fishing licenses, canning equipment, tools etc, and at Christmas time they had ornaments and all kinds of kids toys for Santa to buy. They eventually went the way of Woolworths, Montgomery Wards, and the DoDo birds. I have a Marlin model 70 which is a 22 lr produced for Western Auto.
I've heard of (there is one we shoot at my grandma's) a marlin model 60 in .22 lr. I have never seen a marlin model 70. Is it a bolt action or semi auto?
Regardless I’m keeping my 300blk, 308, and 300WM 😂
I have a .300 H&H in a Winchester M70 made in 1990. Yes, it's pushfeed but I love it - a perfect match to my .375 H&H Model 70. In my opinion "the .300 H&H is obsolete because the .300 Win. Mag. came along" is bunk. The H&H is a bit less powerful than the Win mag - agreed - but the difference is so slight I doubt any animal on the receiving end could tell the difference.
My first shotgun (early 80’s) was a revelation 20 gauge that was made by mossberg
Love my 35 whelen! 3 for 3 this year all bang flops no tracking necessary a good thing when hunting a wet marsh with 200+ yard shots.
Me and my 300 Savage rifles will be around at least :)
Milleniell types irritate me with their inability to think independently..everything is group think with these pinheads..and now they all claim with little understanding of the history and performance the .30 calber that its obsolete...like anything else that works well but isn't current to the day.....the .30 is still the supreme caliber with its ability resist overbore while having the ability to utilize a complete range of bullet weights for all hunting applications , military use , and military match use.....the only other caliber that has similar footing is 7mm...all other calibers lack this wide range versatility...
Nope... its not going anywhere especially here in South Africa. We hunt more then doing PRS shooting
every body has a 30 cal ,i can all ways get it at any shop, and hand load 25-06 and the 300 h&h and would not swap these rounds for any new round, the 30 cal more selection when you get the twist wright they can easy compete with the new rounds, 25-06 with the wright twist ,will shoot better, and it is a old round, like the 22 swift, the new rounds do come close,
A good friend of mine has a Western Auto Revelation. I’m going through it for him now. Solid rifle perfectly shootable.
That was my question he answered and I’m looking forward to using that rifle to take some pa whitetails the fall.
we have a hunting safari on our place in Cape York in Australia, and about 90% of the people who come along have 30cal bullets... usually 308, 30-06, or sometimes 300wm. Plus in Australia, if you want semi-auto for hunting pigs, you can't legally use anything under 308 (pretty much all the pro chopper hunters use 308).
Heck no never lol those 6.garbages will never hit deer like a big thirty will I mean never my buddy just bought a 30-378 now compare that to a need more lol 7mm mag is great but not the top lol
Grew up on a 30-30 when I wasn't bow hunting, bought a Rem 700 in 308, used it on the first day, flattened two doe , the first one dropped in it's tracks, the second one ran maybe 4 yards. 30-30 always put them down quickly too when the placement is correct.
Very many years ago i was trained on the FN-C1 and C2 in the CDN Infantry. I purchased my own 308 win because I enjoyed shooting the 7.62x51, and learned its capabilities. I reload and have never wounded or lost any game with it. I will not be getting rid of it any time, and after 40 years of using it, its like a part of me.
Can't exactly shoot them nowadays though. Prohibited and all that.
Unless of course you moved to the States.
@@dwi2921 My point was that I use 308 Win exclusively, I know the cartridge and its capabilities. I don't need magnums to compensate for bad shooting
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I am aware of what your point was. 308 gets the job done no doubt about that.
I was simply pointing out the depressing state of gun ownership in Canada right now.
@@dwi2921 Hello. Yes, I agree. Please stay safe and vigilant.
Mossberg made shotguns for Western Auto. I have one.
What about all the African big game taken with the 7x57?
Now I know what you meant that if all things equal ie. bullet mass then yes the 3000 ft per sec will have more recoil but the way you worded it sounded more broad stroke as in if something travels faster it will always have more recoil but I think that the easiest rebuttal to that is .223 vs .45-70. I realize what you meant but to somebody who may not know any better it did sound a little too broad stroke
I still have my first shotgun. A Western Auto Revelation 20 gauge bolt action. I bought it when I was about 12 or 13 in the mid 70's.
Love your show. Thought you might like my Ruger #1 it is a 378 Weatherby necked down to 338 and I shoot a 225 grain bullet at 3200 ft/sec needs 115 grains of powder
Iv ended up with a couple sears shotguns and 22lrs over the years, mostly inherited. Always found them interesting imagining them being ordered through a catalog but never gave it much thought or research.
Smokeless powder is a passing fad , blackpowder forever 😜
Usually if a western auto question occurs it needs to be evaluated. If it was in good shape they probably wouldn't ask. The number one is very special. It also allows reloading far beyond factory velocities with careful pressure observation. I usually can do 1-2gr over any max load without issue but I don't encourage this practice. I have 32yrs experience doing this, and only experiment with the number one or the M77.
Not going anywhere. As someone who’s lived on 22 and 26 calibers for almost 30 years. I just purchased a 3006, 300wm and 300 blackout. And the 26 was the Swedish long before the 260 and creedmoor
It warms my heart to see so many of the younger generation of hunters that still flock to and defend 30 cal rifles.
I've got a Ruger #1 chambered in .204 Ruger
It looks like a work of art!
30-06. Enough said
Western auto was bought out by advance auto . Western Auto you could get anything . From auto parts to washers and dryers and bicycles . Guns , fishing poles , everything . They had a big catalog . Greensburg Kentucky had one used to love going in there . Joe the owner of the store let me go and look at all the rifles behind the counter , and help him sale one someone was looking at . Those was good days .
Ruger no 1 in 35 whelen or 300 h&h would be cool.
300!H&H was my grandfathers moose caliber
I bought my first archery set at Western Auto in Baltimore City back around 1975, it was a blue fiberglass bow with field tip arrows. I got a few rabbits with that thing.
Like it or not you’re witnessing the downfall of the 30’s. They will never be completely gone, but they will decrease in size dramatically.
I’m a younger guy, and I can tell you that literally nobody my age is shooting 30’s anymore. 6.5’s, 6.8’s, 7’s, and even down into the 6’s is where we are at. Even if you can reduce the recoil on the 30’s you can reduce the other calibers more. There is no reason to shoot a 30 anymore, unless you just already own one.
"New cartridge introduced which drives a 7mm caliber 160 grain bullet at 6000 feet-per-second, dropping 2 inches at 500 yards with zero drift. Design produces no recoil."; "I'll always stick to my 30-06 . . . "--signed the average 30-06 commenter. The End.
to answer the ruger no.1 question, they made it in 9.3-74r at one point in time.
309 JDJ and 300 WM staying in my stables sorry
My dad had one of those 30/30s bought it before I was born. Just before he passed he gave it to my little brother. My dad killed many deer with it over the years. No problems with it that ever heard of .
check out lipsey's for the no.1 this year 257 wby
and 275 rigby
Had a young soldier that owned a Ruger #1 chambered in .280 Remington. It had no serial number and the cartridge markings were in the raw and the crown was in the raw as well. He let me shoot it, awesome rifle.
I actually knew a girl (she was very petite) that hunted deer with a Ruger #1 chambered in .280. I never shot it, but she let me check it out when she stopped by my house, after a hunting trip. It was very cool.
Glad to see a reference to Western Auto, which was unique in the range of things they sold. A lot of sporting goods, which guns were a part of back then. Many small towns had these stores.
Ron, on the 30-06/338 question, I'm surprised you didn't mention the 338 Fed. I know you have a soft spot for that little darling. Don't forget the 338-06 or one of my favorites the 340 Wby. Your answer to that gentleman was spot on, with the limited info you were given. In my experience the 338 Win punches game alot harder than the old reliable 06. Punches the shooter harder too. Is it needed? No way to know. Is your insurance policy needed? No. Until it is, then it's needed real bad.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers, Jeff.
Looks like I'm becoming a hand loader if they ever decide to quit putting the 30-06 on the store shelf
Keeping my 308 and 30-06. Maybe I will add a 7mm PRC when it becomes more available
Can't wait for the 7prc!
That 5 inches of drift at 400 sure perked me up
I've wondered about a modern rifle using Whitworth's rifle technique.
In black-powder rifles, nothing else compared for accuracy & power.
Not likely? I know the "bolts" it shot were not round like what we fire now.
Just curious if anyone has tried in a modern rifle.
Whitworth or polygonal rifling is used in Sabatti rifles. I have a review of one, a Saphire, in 30-06 on my subscription RSOTV channel at ronspomeroutdoors.com
I've got a Ruger #1 in 450 3/4 Nitro Express. So far as I know their were only 250 ever made, in the Craig Boddington safari series.
I have an old Western Auto .30-30 and can tell no real difference between it and the Marlin 336 other than it has a hardwood stock. Wife actually bought it for me as a birthday present because she knew I liked old guns and she picked it out at a little hole in the wall gun shop I’d never even been to myself. Turned out it be a perfectly fine rifle. Just worn enough to have some character and is now my saddle/ATV gun.
I remember Western Auto and used to go there with my dad. They were neat stores as they had an cool mix of auto parts, guns, and a little bit of hardware. To me having a rifle from them adds a little uniqueness to a very common Marlin model.
Where did you find your wife and does she have a sister that thinks like she does?
Chamber pressure is irrelevant to calculating recoil. What matters is the weight and muzzle velocity of the bullet and of the gas expelled with it. As others have noted, the combined momentum of the stuff going forward has to equal the momentum of the stuff going back. Speaking of oddball Ruger No.1 calibers, I have a heavy barrel No. 1 in 32 Brewer, a Scheutzen cartridge based on the 357 Maximum. The rifle is topped by an ex-USMC Unertl target scope in the old-fashioned adjustable target mounts.
.30 cal gone? during the ammo crunches... .308 was always available... zero 6.5 CM...Ron got the "old timers"
John, note it reads 30 caliber Cartridges. I believe the 300 Savage, 300 RCM, 30 TC, 308 Marlin Express, and 307 Winchester, like the 30 Rem AR, will soon fade away.
The 375 Ruger is a bit more powerful than the 375 HH, it has generally a 2 inch shorter barrel, a shorter action, and less weight, going along with that it has more recoil as well.
Correct. If I'm not mistaken Ruger has developed four chamberings all from the same parent brass: .300 RCM, .338 RCM, .375 Ruger and the .416 Ruger. If I'm wrong, please, someone correct me.
I cannot begin to count how many times since the 1970's I have heard the 30-30 is dead....
A 30-06 with 230 grain bullets beats the crap out of steel at 1000+ yards and hangs right there with the 6.5/7mm cartridges that are comparable. I guess more recoil, but at the same time there are plenty of ways to mitigate that! Also I really enjoy 30 because there are so many bullet choices!
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Of course not. The 308, 30-06, and 300 Winchester Magnum will remain forever.
I have not seen anything that makes me suspect "better" than the various. 30s.
"As good as?" Probably. "Better?" Nope.
So... Why?.
Can't go wrong with 9.3X62 either. Some really nice European rifles made in that calibre. Popular here in South Africa.
The Ruger No.1 I'd like to have is on my favorite caliber.....the 6.5x55mm Swedish!!!
Never gonna loose the .30 love my 300 win mag hey James if you read the comments I have a No.1 in 257 Roberts amazing rifle love it a tack driver look around in pawn shops online they are out there plenty of wild calibers love the video Ron always informative and fun thanks
I. Think. The. .300. Warbird...is. a .30.cal... and. Definatly. A. Long. Range. Cartridge....have. a. Nice. Day....
People been using range finder way before the 6.5creed or guys target shooting, more so for bow hunters but also gun hunters out where lands wide open
The 300 Win Mag outperforms the 6.5s and 7mms on game any day, and my 300 RUM is like a AA fuel dragster compared to a stock car, it'll blow the 6.5s and 7mms away. Long live the 30s!!!!
All I could do is................ LOL!! The title is simply absurd! The most popular caliber in North America whos citizens own more guns than many militaries! Are there better calibers out there? Shure but the 30 is going nowhere!
They tried to get rid of 30-30 during the shortage. Quit supporting it early, brought the ammo back late. Tried to replace it with several cartridges, including some new straight walled cartridges and a couple AR cartridges we already had. Remington Buckhammer, 350 legend, 300 BLK, etc. Well when your flex is “it’s like a 30-30 except…”the answer is “i already have a 30-30 where is my ammo”? Nobody fell for it.
For over a year the only ammo i could find was 350 legend. What a flop. Save it for straight wall states.
I have seen at least 3 hammer forged barrels that shot crappy because the bore was an uneven circumference down through it. The middle 8 to 10 inches was about 2/1000 of an inch larger than the front and back parts of the barrel. There can be issues with hammer forged barrels that people should be aware of.
Recoil is determined primarily by the momentum of the projectile and gas, acting on the mass of the rifle, and your shoulder.
During the ammo shortage of 2020 and 2021 always found 308 ammo . I Can't say that about the other calibers. Except 300wsm I always found it to.
I remember Western Auto
Just bought a Diamondback db10 .308 13.5in barrel and 250 rounds. Home defense and Bigfoot killa.
You said a 3000fps rifle would recoil more than a 1000fps rifle but didn’t mention bullet weights in that equation. I know what you meant buttttttt there’s that whole 405gr .45-70 at 1000 FPS vs 55gr .223 at 3000 FPS, anyways always a pleasure watching your videos!
300blk 7.62x39 30-30 3006 300win mag plus all the suppressors made for 30 caliber means its here forever.
A 280 or 280AI is much more fun to shoot than a 3006. If I'm hunting midsized game, like deer, I'll take a 280 over the 308 or 3006 any day. The 280 or 708 is much better in windy country. 308 and 3006 aren't going away by any means though. There are a lot of options because we have a lot of personal opinions and personal preferences. It's the same with cars and trucks. There are a lot of people that think 6.5mm is a new thing. It's actually not at all. 6.5x55 swede came out in 1895, I think, and the 256 Newton/6.5-06 came out in 1913. People have been shooting mid-sized to large game with 6.5's for well over 100 years. My 6.5-06 is older and will out shoot a 270 any day! Here we go, now I got the 270 fans mad. LOL
Don't be silly with this click-bait title. The 300 Ham'r has never been stronger and more relevant! Plus you and your audience already know that 30-06, .308 and 300 win mag still have a long future, DESPITE the 6mm ARC surpassing many of their ballistics.
Yessir. On an electrical job long ago I was yakking about how I wished I had a Barrett and my good buddy Camilio from Croatia who fought in 91 said in his basso profundo voice in that commy accent: "Greg. You with your Barrett and me with my 20mm sniper rrrifle, I put a bullet in your eye from 2 miles." So I did a little, ok a lot, of checking on the 20mm including footage, and frankly it seems a bit difficult to carry. Usually those can have a team of 3, most often a team of 2 but Camilio, who was/is a big strong guy did it alone. He's my height (6'4") but more mesomorphic and he pulled it off. And no. Unless you're hunting t-rex a 50 bmg may be a tad much. I'm in the 6.5/7mm laser rangefinder crowd. I want a 220 Swift!! I can play with the wind.
Ron always smoking the new cartridge pipe....... be careful of titles like 30 cal are out
When it comes to sales of new rifles the 6.5 CM is certainly very popular. Target shooting is a lot of fun and the 6.5 CM excels. Shooting at steel and hearing that 'ting' is basically like .22 plinking for grownups. But when it comes to hunting, there are millions of us guys out there who are fond of our .30 calibre rifles. .30-30, .308, .30-06, .300 win mag... all still very popular in camp. Heck, you even still see the .300 Savage from time to time. Remember the .300 H&H? It's an awesome hunting cartridge. And there are at least a few dozen other .30 calibre cartridges of less popular note.
Then there are the newer ones like the .300 PRC and the .300 Norma Mag (not to be confused with the .308 Norma Mag). I don't see the .30 calibre cartridges going away any time.