Step 1: Make a Blood Hunter Step 2: give him a generic name like Bob or Jim Step 3: State that he’s only one because it’s the family business Step 4: Give him a pet rabbit named Nibbles and the hobby of picking flowers in a field Step 5: Enjoy the looks of confusion at the complete unedginess
I ran Curse of Strahd for my group and was pretty pleased by the one player who wanted to try out the Blood Hunter -- he and another player were brothers IRL and in-game, and they concluded that while the older brother had become a devout & sensible cleric, the younger brother had wanted to rebel and joined the Blood Hunters in a fit of teenaged exuberance...only to realize at the last moment that he had no idea what he was getting into. As a result, his character was always vaguely embarrassed by his class while his brother was always horrified by what the younger one did to achieve his power (and kept trying to heal him even when doing so was useless). It was fun. I think you either need a player who doesn't take it too seriously or a whole party that revels in the gothtacular nonsense of it.
That said, I'd be interested in your take on the Pendragon homebrew class. Haven't tried the archetype where you are slowly mutating into a dragon, but I've had fun with and seen a lot of fun approaches to the "uh oh, I'm stuck raising a baby dragon!" archetype... Especially given how fragile Hatchlings & Juveniles are! XD
I am imagining trying to max the edginess on a PC. Drow bloodhunter, dark edgy past and all that, but has the most unedgy personality. Like, lawful good, extremely positive, makes goofy wholesome jokes and is very sensitive to pain, so that every time he performs one of his edgy bloodhunter ritual thingies and cuts himself, he cries a bit from the pain...
Imagine seeing this dark clad edgy boy walk into the room, take out a knife and stabs himself in the hand, and then he just starts screaming from the pain
Dual wield a hand crossbow and your choice of weapon, preferably something versatile like longsword, Warhammer, spear, etc. Take profane soul. Go maximum Bloodborne. Bonus points if there are rudimentary guns in your game.
Actually you want to use Rapier, since its Finesse and you can add your Dex modifier for it. But yes crimson rite both, and when you get multipule rites have one on each weapon. With Crossbow Expert you even get an extra attack with your hand crossbow and dont have a 5ft disadvantage, and no reloading.
Late response but a Celestial Warlock with a Unicorn patron who casts Otherworldly Form to turn into a magical girl and shoots rainbow beams is... A mood I as a straight man am not afraid to have.
yeah, blood hunter was made before campaign 2. Tova from campaign 1 was a dwarf blood hunter. I think order of the lycan since she could turn into a werebear. This was when they went to the city of Dis to kill the rakshasa that was stalking vax and pyke.
That's basically what it is... Mercer made a "Witch Hunter" class for a one-shot, but found it wonky. When he went back to rebalance it, he decided to make it its own thing, and put all that blood and edge in.
As a Bloodhunter player I can assure you. It's a lot of blood. And to turn up the edge factor whenever my character uses Blood Curse of the Eyeless, he legit cries tears of blood. Edgy indeed but it did save two party members from getting hit by Nat 20s
It's funny since he admits that he would use Witcher 3 music before they started live-streaming/filming their sessions. Plus I'm literally playing a witcher inspired in my buddies campaign. Shifter, Wildhunt The Haunted One; Bloodhunter: Order of The Mutant
TBH the “accidentally attack party” thing is very easy to avoid, since Blood Hunters have high WIS, proficiency in WIS saves, and can easily position themselves so that an enemy is always the target of their wrath.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm looking at the Blood Hunter thinking "why wasn't this a faction or enemy type" from a lore aspect, hero's that looked into the abyss too long
I've been playing a Mutant since February (that, admittedly, started out as just a knockoff Geralt but quickly morphed into his own personality). I really enjoy it, and I certainly don't think I'm at all overshadowing the others power-wise.
I love playing edgy classes, races, and backgrounds in non-edgy ways. Blood Hunter Lycanthrope: "I literally joined the order just so I could be a werewolf. Don't worry, I'll try to be on the other side of the enemies from you when we're fighting."
Only if you either use a Katana or a fucked up Greatclub, as those are the only two Weapons in Bloodborne that feed off you lifepoints and wounding your foes should give you back HP.Man, now I really wanna homebrew a Bloodborne hunter
Duncan Walla My DM *sorta * homebrewed Tabaxis to basically be extended to Any Feline You Can Think of...so I’m currently playing a Geoffry’s Cat Druid that got bored of all the typical “druidy stuff” and is kinda agnostic... ...not sure how well it actually works, ‘cause they’re currently trying to finish their senior year of high school, but at a glance we both agree that my toon’s starting stats are probably a bit OP, especially for them being closer to 3 ft tall vs the standard 6 ft. But we both like the idea of this smol cat basically wrecking havoc, so we’ll see how it goes. - (And since my toon basically already has the benefits of Wildshape just by being a Tabaxi...I’m just gonna use Wildshape to, say, transform into a mouse or squirrel for scouting/espionage/sabotage/hitchhiking. Then prank people as a freaking Crow or Magpie when I get to use a flying shape. And probably use an otter or beaver for the swimming one. Hmmm...skunks would also be Useful. Instant Stinkbomb/distraction/cover for Escape/Sabotage...plus they still have claws/teeth if they *have* to, and can sneak around just as well as any standard weasel)
Honestly, it's the fact that you end up with a bunch of arm-chair devs, who actually don't know the first thing about game design, trying to argue why their broken/op class is legal becasue of "lore reasons". Second, you also have a bunch of arm-chair novel writers who think their fan-fic is the next tolkien. Game design and writing are far more difficult than people want to believe. Leave it to the professionals.
@@RamathRS Or you just change small things that you don't like or don't make sense. Or make things that are balanced the same as anything else in the game.
RamathRS Firstly, most fanfics I read are more inspired and less stale than most “published for money” fics I’ve tried reading. Fanfic writers write them because they’re FUN. (And considering over 80% of fanfic writers are female, you kinda come across a bit like a bruised ego, gatekeeping fanboi.) Also. Tolkein isn’t without MASSIVE issues in his writing, the biggest ones being pacing and not just saving all but the condensed/plot relevant songs&poems for a published book of poetry (and characters having Down Time is plot relevant. Again, pacing and balance. Having a poem go on for 5 pages of 20+ verses? Not so much.) Secondly? Again, tabletops are supposed to be FUN. Homebrew acknowledges this aspect/is a way to experiment with house rules. Everything first needed to be experimented with to find the right balance at some point (and even then, a lot is still pretty clunky and poorly presented) (Also. My DM homebrewed Tabaxis, if your “LeAvE iT tO tHe pRoFeSsIoNaLs” comment was directed towards me. They wanted me to play a sandcat. I insisted on making the base-species a larger one and saying “we might need to look at the Small Races to further adjust this” as, although I haven’t gotten the chance to play DnD yet, I DO have more experience with actually balancing character stats for, say, mmorpgs. And ‘cause I still wasn’t happy with the build but wanted to respect my DM’s wish to experiment (and they just haven’t had the time to ever start a session since I’m literally their guineapig), I then changed the base-species to a Clouded Leopard instead
A weekly group that I'm part of runs a Bllodhunter periodically. I'd say that in use, it's about on par with one of the offensive Paladin oaths, or a melee focused Hexblade. It adds some variety to the table, w/o a downside. Now, I will say that the fellow playing the BH is the type that looks for ways to work with the whole team. He's not an attention hog. With a different player, the class might not be so benign.
Of course. I simply meant that using this player to gauge class balance may be misleading, since he tends to make things work well for the group with any class he plays. An overpowered class might seem okay with him driving.
What’s the point of a RPG if you can’t Home brew as long as you and the dm thing it’s fair and agree on it I think you need a little home brew in all games
It was for a game that was a pseudo-promo for the Witch Hunter movie, so Mat threw something together resembling Diesel's character in the film. Taliesin apparently expressed interest sometime later, and Mat refined the class into what we've got today.
But what if. And hear me out here. The entire party becomes order of the lycan and they make a note to always be within 5 feet of each other. Goblin stabs one. Suddenly each party member bites the one next to him in a waive that never stops XD
I ended up homebrewing a Sorcerer Archtype that behaves pretty similarly to this (though Metamagic is regained through doing 1d4 for each "Crimson Point" and other reworks like Magic Missle being actual thrown crystallized blood shards, etc. Anyways, now I got a more "official" class to use instead of what a pleb like myself (even after hours of playtesting and rebalancing) could come up with.
I honestly feel like the "edge" is being harped on overmuch here. There's certainly more built in opportunities for edginess here than with the official classes, but almost all of them have that built in to some extent. Edge comes from players, not from classes. If you have a player dead-set on being an edge-lord, then it's going to happen one way or another, and your group is going to have to find a way to deal with it.
I’m do happy to revisit your videos. I was working on a Druid for a session my friends started last week, and I love him. But seeing you go over this class and referencing Mollymauk made my day even more so. You’re content is awesome. I wish you success :)
Home brew Classes, Races, Subclasses and more can be really interesting and cool. For example I made a Barbarian Subclass called The Path of Destruction which had some abilities based off the Tarasque (sorry for spelling and btw a lot less powerful than a Tarasque) and the player that had this for a game I ran had so much for breaking things and having a fun time
I'm running a Blood Hunter in my roommates homebrewed campaign. He also homebrewed an archetype for my Blood Hunter called Order of the Mage Slayer since my backstory has dude being experimented on by wizards and that's how he was turned into a Blood Hunter and now he hunts them long story short. Its fire
See my goal is to just play the happiest blood hunter around like yeah his parents were slaughtered but the world is still such a beautiful place full of happy nice people and you can't tell him otherwise
Came here because I want to do my best to make a vampire (of sorts) character-based off a fictional character. Their name is Alucard which means demon and is Dracula backwards, and they are a half drow. The lycness subclass would probably fit the source character better but I’d rather go with the warlock blend-plus it still fits a little.
Just make sure it's lycanthropy or profane and add 1 level of fallen paladin and it doesn't really matter whether you're a fallen angel or a bloody drider...
Just started a game yesterday and freind mentioned Blood hunter and I was on it! Love it, I got the perfect all black with black wide brim hat character image. Yes I am in fcat playing him so edegy he makes you bleeed by looking at him. Started at lvl 1, 2 by end of session, plan on doing Order of Profane soul to get those sweet warlock spells.
I personally think Homebrew has its place, and that place is campaigns that require or would benefit from niche concepts, or outright require something that the developers did not come up with. I played a 3.5/Pathfinder campaign once where the DM custom built a whole slew of templates and classes to recreate the feel of the Zerg from StarCraft, and it was a joy to play in. It also had the interesting side effect of it being a campaign where tristalt (gestalt, but three classes) was not in any way overpowered, and combat was threatening even when fighting wolves. This was my first campaign with a legitimate character death, and it was epic doing so.
Ironically one of the best things about the Blood Hunter class (or as I like to call them the Witch Hunter, because I'm a Warhammer nerd) is how clearly edgy they're *supposed* to be, then taking that and flipping it on its head. For example, in my group's Tomb of Annhiliation campaign I play an Order of the Ghostslayer Blood (Witch) Hunter who's a young elven boy, really just an apprentice, who's in waaaay over his head. He's young, inexperienced, and terrified 99% of the time. Despite the fact that its basically his job to hunt the undead the undead are the thing he's the most scared of. So yeah, don't play a dark and edgy Blood Hunter. Pull a Talesian Jaffe and play an upbeat mr. brightside or a pansy and completely subvert expectations
StarkMaximum hell yeah, definitely one of the higher reasons I’d enjoy it. Could be a nice driving factor of some plot or something among those lines, ya know. Also, adds further sense of fear to the beast form, I would think, which is always empowering.
My bloodhunter-in-progress is a little tiefling detective who, unknown to her, is quality entertainment to bored demons. She has friends in high places, but may be more of a court jester than anything else... still, fun abilities and personality!
I'm actually kind of tired of everyone bitching about how edgy the blood hunter is. Yes it is edgy but so what. Some people like glass cannon characters and you don't get more glass cannon than having to sacrifice some of your own health to do max damage. Is high risk and high reward, which I love, and I love seeing the idea of blood magic which has so much potential in fantasy settings being used in something that isn't Dragon Age. And also, why judge people for their characters when we're all roleplaying around a table in the game that is the very epitome of nerdy outcasts?
I wish Bloodhunter got a vampire subclass to go along with its werewolf-esque subclass. That way I could be a vampire hunting vampires like Blade or Alucard. The closest to that I have right now is choosing the UA Vampire Race and playing a Monster Slayer Ranger.
Well Ghosthunter isn't just ghosts but undead in general. The level 10 Supernal flurry ability especially has your attacks hit extra times and you heal if you reduce a creature to 0 hp. I'd also like to point you to Mercer's Blood Domain cleric if you really want to do all that Deadman/Alucard stuff
There’s a homebrew archetype called “Order of the Sanguine Thirst” that’s vampire inspired. Mercer didn’t make it, but it still fits well with the other orders.
I ended up making a changeling bloodhunter with a pretty sounding name, they’re backstory is pretty uneventful and ended up becoming a bloodhunter out of pure boredom. They also have the personality of a class clown and uses their changeling abilities mainly just to mess with others instead of doing anything useful. I’m honestly not sure how I came up with this idea
At one session, some friend of one of the other players guest starred as a Lycathrope Blood Hunte, with the power of a Were-Giraffe, and kept a fuckload of ostrich eggs in a bag of holding to use as exploding projectiles.
My Blood Hunter was a Lawful Good Aasimar (Order of the Profane Soul subclass) who took up the role because Blood Hunters were important to his community (a tribe of nomads who lived in a desert land known as the Blasted Abyss, a place absolutely crawling with Demons, Devils, and Undead thanks to a magical cataclysm about 700 years previously), and was generally a kind, humble, well-meaning hero. Still could not escape being called an edgelord.
Currently playing a throw away character who’s a Ghostslayer and is just Kenpachi Zaraki from Bleach. Chaotic Neutral bloodthirsty Soldier background who loves to keep killing. It was pretty great but especially great because of Rite of the Dawn changing your rite to radiant and then halving your damage to it. THAT is the only time I could see double rites being useful. Currently at LV 3 I take 1 damage when activating it and lose 1 max HP which is amazing. Tough Fest is a must though because being a frontline martial class that fuels their abilities with their own pain you gotta be a beefcake. Variant human for GWM at LV 1. Haven’t used it but we haven’t faced the dungeon boss yet either which is kinda what I’m saving it for. Great weapon fighting style is also amazing because a free reroll of every single bad damage roll is crazy good.
Am I the only one that thinks that even as a joke, this felt a little bit mean spirited? I don’t even remember Warlocks or rangers getting panned this hard.
It’s likely due to his limited time with the Blood Hunter, and ONLY as a DM, who honestly probably see everything as a detriment (oh fucking hell the WIZARD DID WHAT?!) to a campaign. As well as this, Chappy DID state he is not a big fan of homebrew content, assuming of course he means like, homebrew for his players (many DMs will use monsters and change them, technically homebrewing), because it honestly means you don’t know what could happen. That little class you thought would be funny to put in suddenly can morph into a Gargantuan kaiju-like monster and fucking shred your BBEG. No fun.
@@PercyJackson123456 I mean, his opinions are valid. He made an apt analysis of how the class works and its strengths and weaknesses. As a DM as well, I get that introducing screening and picking the right homebrew that won't just ruin the game is important. He said so himself that the class valid enough though, and he didn't judge warlock for its madder edges or ranger for its popular disapproval. Well, he did for those classes, but it felt good-natured. "When famous people decide to make a super pandering edgy homebrew class." People worked really hard in making the class balanced enough with its high damage output and it's several drawbacks to make it not just a straight upgrade to other casting or martial classes like FIghter, Paladin or Ranger. There are some things that can be unfun about the class (such as Bloodlust in the Lycan order possibly leading into an inopportune TPK) and it can be grating in regard to its dark fantasy imagery, But it sounds a little like... I don't know. Maybe some of the jokes didn't land on me as well as they did for others.
I mean, you've gotta admit that the class comes with a lot of passive edge in terms of ability names. I mean, a good player can make it a lot less edgy, but a bad one (or someone who just wants to make your soul bleed) can make it way more edgy than any class has any right to be (drow lycanthropy hunter who slits his wrists in a vein attempt to escape the pain that is existence and ends up hurting everyone around him... (I took 2 minutes to come up with that, I dread to think what I could do with an hour or more))
Neko Gray I‘m not a D&D pro, but doesn’t the weakness to take damage for added damage output have the potential to ruin the healing game of a party? It does look a bit like a weakness that is passed over to the healer and hence to the rest of the party, while only the user benefits from increased damage output. From reading the class it didn’t seem overpowered, but I can see the whole „needs more healing than others“ becoming a party issue.
Davvy Chappy: I don't like the order of lycan cause it could fuck the party over possibly. Wild Magic Sorcerer: Slowly backing out of the room dripping sweat...
Fun fact because the lycan blood hunter attacks the nearest creature when failing his wisdom save you could in theory just be getting more attacks off on monsters your in melee combat with. If your other party members just aren't near you, whether that be because they are casters or spread out amongst the battlefield then after wacking that Orc with your greatsword with a crimson rite on it plus your extra attack your getting to hit him yet again as a reaction cause he decided to bonk you on the head and hes the closest creature currently near you.
My group allows INT warlocks, so Hexblade 1 Ghost slayer X is a ton of fun and super thematic and fitting to getting more curses. Top it off by being a follower of Beshaba
Counter argument to the whole attacking your party: we have had wild magic sorcerers fireballing their (our) own faces for years and they're still the most popular sorcerer subclass
Like the one created by Matt Mercer? or by someone else? Because if its the one by Matt then that is not a class but a subclass so it wouldn't be enough content for a video.
@@AWizardRed Well he could do a compilation special of Mercer's various subclasses: - Gunslinger Fighter - Way of the Cobalt Soul Monk - Blood Domain Cleric - Path of the Juggernaut Barbarian - Runechild Sorcerer - College of the Maestro Bard
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Man, the Blood Hunter takes a lot of inspiration from a bunch of things. *E S P E C I A L L Y T H E W I T C H E R*
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Matt Mercer created this class for Vin Diesel on a celebrity dnd game, and yes it was based on the Witcher
It used to be called witch hunter
Collin Douglas You should write all of my jokes from now on.
@@DavvyChappy I think I expended all of my comedy die to make that one. Sorry, but I'll need a long rest to make another one that good.
I love that lavender tiefling because he's the exact opposite of what one thinks of when they hear about this edgy class.
Long may he reign.
Leineh Mollymauk?
Indeed, Mollymauk was a very charismatic and fun character. Although, I wouldn't plan on that "Long Reign" thing.
He's dead.
Long May He Reign
@@Zmanwarrior Wouldn't be the first time he died. I would love to see him return as a villain NPC.
Step 1: Make a Blood Hunter
Step 2: give him a generic name like Bob or Jim
Step 3: State that he’s only one because it’s the family business
Step 4: Give him a pet rabbit named Nibbles and the hobby of picking flowers in a field
Step 5: Enjoy the looks of confusion at the complete unedginess
JosephTaylorBass
Bonus points if they are unsettled by the sight of blood.
Bonus for being a halfling who wanted to be a bard but he's a family man and so has to follow through with this blood hunting business...
i could do that
The rabbit would’ve worked if it wasn’t for Monty Python’s Rabbit of Caerbannog.
Step 6: Profit
I ran Curse of Strahd for my group and was pretty pleased by the one player who wanted to try out the Blood Hunter -- he and another player were brothers IRL and in-game, and they concluded that while the older brother had become a devout & sensible cleric, the younger brother had wanted to rebel and joined the Blood Hunters in a fit of teenaged exuberance...only to realize at the last moment that he had no idea what he was getting into. As a result, his character was always vaguely embarrassed by his class while his brother was always horrified by what the younger one did to achieve his power (and kept trying to heal him even when doing so was useless). It was fun.
I think you either need a player who doesn't take it too seriously or a whole party that revels in the gothtacular nonsense of it.
That said, I'd be interested in your take on the Pendragon homebrew class. Haven't tried the archetype where you are slowly mutating into a dragon, but I've had fun with and seen a lot of fun approaches to the "uh oh, I'm stuck raising a baby dragon!" archetype... Especially given how fragile Hatchlings & Juveniles are! XD
Born by the blood; made men by the blood; undone by the blood
*_"We are born of the Blood, made men by the Blood, undone by the Blood. Our eyes have yet to open. Fear the Old Blood..."_*
Ah, Kos... or some say Kosm... Can you hear our prayers?
Our eyes are yet to open. Fear the Old Blood.
"Hello good hunter"
"Fuck off, mate" - Patches
"Duel Wielding is the best way to get the most bang for your buck" mfw the next picture is Mollymock
Mollymauk wanted all the bangs, but couldn't pay the bucks
"Duel Wielding is the best way to get the most bang for your buck. until you realise the double health cost it provides.
@@foolbrightw6589 He did mention because the trade-off is worth it
Plus the tough feat is a thing
@@enfuegobeat7953 Yeah, Molly had that as well...
I am imagining trying to max the edginess on a PC. Drow bloodhunter, dark edgy past and all that, but has the most unedgy personality.
Like, lawful good, extremely positive, makes goofy wholesome jokes and is very sensitive to pain, so that every time he performs one of his edgy bloodhunter ritual thingies and cuts himself, he cries a bit from the pain...
Imagine seeing this dark clad edgy boy walk into the room, take out a knife and stabs himself in the hand, and then he just starts screaming from the pain
@@highgrove8545 he sounds like a good wholesome boye.
"AH!!! MY HAND!!! It looks so easy when all the other blood hunters do it."
*Starts to cry*
That sounds like a brilliantly tormented story character, I love it.
Haunted one background, dont forget
Dual wield a hand crossbow and your choice of weapon, preferably something versatile like longsword, Warhammer, spear, etc. Take profane soul. Go maximum Bloodborne. Bonus points if there are rudimentary guns in your game.
Do not forget to multiclass to psionic.
I did something like this recently, but went Lycan and basically made young Gascoigne
Don’t forget to add some Lovecrafian spice!
Actually you want to use Rapier, since its Finesse and you can add your Dex modifier for it. But yes crimson rite both, and when you get multipule rites have one on each weapon. With Crossbow Expert you even get an extra attack with your hand crossbow and dont have a 5ft disadvantage, and no reloading.
Doesn’t really work iirc because you need a free hand to reload and the crimson rite drops if you let go of a weapon
Mollymauk showed us thay being edgy is a choice
Long May he rain
So is being alive
Mat Cauthon this comment physically slapped me in the face
Man this sucks, died came back to life, evil, pretty edgy.
@@Daltygaming2 So a choice
Here to remind you that the Warlock isn't innately edgy, since your patron could be a unicorn
Or a celestial
Or tentacle daddy
My Hopeweaver warlock used to be a doctor, and she's very sweet & cute.
Late response but a Celestial Warlock with a Unicorn patron who casts Otherworldly Form to turn into a magical girl and shoots rainbow beams is... A mood I as a straight man am not afraid to have.
"I go unconscious from my own blood maladict"
Molly
Would’ve gone to 1 hit point instead :/
And the payoff with Lucien was WORTH THE PAIN!
The funniest thing about this is Matthew made this for the most charismatic and least edgy character. RIP Molly
Long May he rain
Bloodhunter was a thing before C2
yeah, blood hunter was made before campaign 2. Tova from campaign 1 was a dwarf blood hunter. I think order of the lycan since she could turn into a werebear. This was when they went to the city of Dis to kill the rakshasa that was stalking vax and pyke.
Molly crawled out of a grave with eyes on his body... I feel
Like thats pretty edgy
This sounds like a witcher but tailored for the D&D universe, and more blood. Lots and lots of blood.
It's Witcher meets Bloodborne and I love it for that.
That's basically what it is... Mercer made a "Witch Hunter" class for a one-shot, but found it wonky. When he went back to rebalance it, he decided to make it its own thing, and put all that blood and edge in.
To be fair Mercer IS a huggge Witcher fan,it all makes sense if yo really think about it
As a Bloodhunter player I can assure you. It's a lot of blood. And to turn up the edge factor whenever my character uses Blood Curse of the Eyeless, he legit cries tears of blood. Edgy indeed but it did save two party members from getting hit by Nat 20s
It's funny since he admits that he would use Witcher 3 music before they started live-streaming/filming their sessions.
Plus I'm literally playing a witcher inspired in my buddies campaign.
Shifter, Wildhunt The Haunted One; Bloodhunter: Order of The Mutant
Just make sure to keep the Oni as far away from you if your a Blood Hunter
alex valice OKAY THAT WAS WORST THEN MY ONE
too soon!
Or just you know...dont knock yourself out with your own ability
TBH the “accidentally attack party” thing is very easy to avoid, since Blood Hunters have high WIS, proficiency in WIS saves, and can easily position themselves so that an enemy is always the target of their wrath.
Epicmonk117 yep
About that...
@@MrEagle-fs1xt I wrote this comment back when BH was a DEX/WIS class rather than a DEX/INT class
Epicmonk117 I know I’m just poking fun. Have a nice day
@@Epicmonk117 Now it's either/or, lol
I'm not gonna lie, I'm looking at the Blood Hunter thinking "why wasn't this a faction or enemy type" from a lore aspect, hero's that looked into the abyss too long
I've been playing a Mutant since February (that, admittedly, started out as just a knockoff Geralt but quickly morphed into his own personality). I really enjoy it, and I certainly don't think I'm at all overshadowing the others power-wise.
Honestly same here but im a profaned soul and he is becoming his own character part from the spells i need spells !
I love playing edgy classes, races, and backgrounds in non-edgy ways.
Blood Hunter Lycanthrope: "I literally joined the order just so I could be a werewolf. Don't worry, I'll try to be on the other side of the enemies from you when we're fighting."
Meanwhile Matt is writing up a Daavy NPC to horribly slaughter in his next session by a lycanthrope blood hunter.
Matt Mercer: I like DnD. I like the Witcher. Hmmm idea...... BLOOD HUNTER!!
give this class a gun and a saw cleaver as a weapon and you've basically have the hunters from bloodborne
Lol just realised if you multiclass it with Matt's gunslinger class you would have bloodborne. Omg I need to make that boi
Only if you either use a Katana or a fucked up Greatclub, as those are the only two Weapons in Bloodborne that feed off you lifepoints and wounding your foes should give you back HP.Man, now I really wanna homebrew a Bloodborne hunter
I've got a player in my CoS campaign who is an ex-cultist Hexblade warlock, planning to multiclass into blood hunter. It fits.
We need Mystic Chappy to show us how to master psionics
Please no. I like my party members to make death saving throws if they fuck up.
please don't say the P-word, it brings up traumatic memories
Um. Nobody needs to show you how to master psionics. Once you pick that class, you become the DM and do whatever you want.
Dunno how it looks in 5e, but Psionics were no more op than a sorcerer or wizard in 3.5 and people that claim otherwise are just whining.
Geez, and I thought making a Zariel Tiefling Conquest Paladin was edgy...
My fighter was cursed by a demon at a young age with *evil magic powers*, and has a black owl as a familiar. Am I edgy yet?
So edgy that it might cut titanium.
Actually... some spells from the spell list.... the ability score bonuses... yeah neat combo
Hey, I'm playing a Glasya Tiefling Conquest Paladin!
I have a tiefling blood hunter...
We've got an update to the Bloodhunter. Time for another slice of *edge*
i love homebrew. just because it works with my DM style and gaming style. i would be fascinated to see you do a video on the pros and cons of homebrew
Duncan Walla
My DM *sorta * homebrewed Tabaxis to basically be extended to Any Feline You Can Think of...so I’m currently playing a Geoffry’s Cat Druid that got bored of all the typical “druidy stuff” and is kinda agnostic...
...not sure how well it actually works, ‘cause they’re currently trying to finish their senior year of high school, but at a glance we both agree that my toon’s starting stats are probably a bit OP, especially for them being closer to 3 ft tall vs the standard 6 ft.
But we both like the idea of this smol cat basically wrecking havoc, so we’ll see how it goes.
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(And since my toon basically already has the benefits of Wildshape just by being a Tabaxi...I’m just gonna use Wildshape to, say, transform into a mouse or squirrel for scouting/espionage/sabotage/hitchhiking. Then prank people as a freaking Crow or Magpie when I get to use a flying shape. And probably use an otter or beaver for the swimming one. Hmmm...skunks would also be Useful. Instant Stinkbomb/distraction/cover for Escape/Sabotage...plus they still have claws/teeth if they *have* to, and can sneak around just as well as any standard weasel)
Honestly, it's the fact that you end up with a bunch of arm-chair devs, who actually don't know the first thing about game design, trying to argue why their broken/op class is legal becasue of "lore reasons".
Second, you also have a bunch of arm-chair novel writers who think their fan-fic is the next tolkien.
Game design and writing are far more difficult than people want to believe. Leave it to the professionals.
@@RamathRS Or you just change small things that you don't like or don't make sense.
Or make things that are balanced the same as anything else in the game.
@@anonymousfellow8879 mewo
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Firstly, most fanfics I read are more inspired and less stale than most “published for money” fics I’ve tried reading. Fanfic writers write them because they’re FUN. (And considering over 80% of fanfic writers are female, you kinda come across a bit like a bruised ego, gatekeeping fanboi.) Also. Tolkein isn’t without MASSIVE issues in his writing, the biggest ones being pacing and not just saving all but the condensed/plot relevant songs&poems for a published book of poetry (and characters having Down Time is plot relevant. Again, pacing and balance. Having a poem go on for 5 pages of 20+ verses? Not so much.)
Secondly? Again, tabletops are supposed to be FUN. Homebrew acknowledges this aspect/is a way to experiment with house rules. Everything first needed to be experimented with to find the right balance at some point (and even then, a lot is still pretty clunky and poorly presented) (Also. My DM homebrewed Tabaxis, if your “LeAvE iT tO tHe pRoFeSsIoNaLs” comment was directed towards me. They wanted me to play a sandcat. I insisted on making the base-species a larger one and saying “we might need to look at the Small Races to further adjust this” as, although I haven’t gotten the chance to play DnD yet, I DO have more experience with actually balancing character stats for, say, mmorpgs. And ‘cause I still wasn’t happy with the build but wanted to respect my DM’s wish to experiment (and they just haven’t had the time to ever start a session since I’m literally their guineapig), I then changed the base-species to a Clouded Leopard instead
rip mollymauk
never forget
Long may he reign.
Goddammit I literally just starter watching that campaign today.
Long May he rain he was and still is my favorite
I never saw the episode but what type of class was Molly
Not rip anymore lol
A weekly group that I'm part of runs a Bllodhunter periodically. I'd say that in use, it's about on par with one of the offensive Paladin oaths, or a melee focused Hexblade. It adds some variety to the table, w/o a downside.
Now, I will say that the fellow playing the BH is the type that looks for ways to work with the whole team. He's not an attention hog. With a different player, the class might not be so benign.
Right, but that would always be a player issue regardless of class.
Of course. I simply meant that using this player to gauge class balance may be misleading, since he tends to make things work well for the group with any class he plays. An overpowered class might seem okay with him driving.
What’s the point of a RPG if you can’t Home brew as long as you and the dm thing it’s fair and agree on it I think you need a little home brew in all games
If im remembering correctly he made this class specifically for a one shot with Mr. Vin Disel
Yup. Then he just kept messing with it afterwards and tadah. Bloodhunter
It was for a game that was a pseudo-promo for the Witch Hunter movie, so Mat threw something together resembling Diesel's character in the film.
Taliesin apparently expressed interest sometime later, and Mat refined the class into what we've got today.
Blood Hunter Lycan is probably my favorite class in the game, mix it with monk for high AC, and high damage, and high battlefield control.
I love how that custom edgelord sonic character could just casually throw the universe at someone
But what if. And hear me out here.
The entire party becomes order of the lycan and they make a note to always be within 5 feet of each other.
Goblin stabs one.
Suddenly each party member bites the one next to him in a waive that never stops XD
I like the concept. Look up the lore around Selune the Moon maiden and this class could fit a whole campaign in forgotten realms
I ended up homebrewing a Sorcerer Archtype that behaves pretty similarly to this (though Metamagic is regained through doing 1d4 for each "Crimson Point" and other reworks like Magic Missle being actual thrown crystallized blood shards, etc.
Anyways, now I got a more "official" class to use instead of what a pleb like myself (even after hours of playtesting and rebalancing) could come up with.
"We are born of the blood, made men by theblood, undone by the blood; Fear the old blood."
No one:
Blood hunter: I slit my wrists to do damage
The immediate character concept that popped into my head is a Ghost bloodhunter/Barbarian Hobgoblin cause everything is vulnerable to cringe damage
I honestly feel like the "edge" is being harped on overmuch here.
There's certainly more built in opportunities for edginess here than with the official classes, but almost all of them have that built in to some extent.
Edge comes from players, not from classes. If you have a player dead-set on being an edge-lord, then it's going to happen one way or another, and your group is going to have to find a way to deal with it.
Yeah, the idea that it is inherently edgy is the idea that paladins are law abiding douches. It's the player not the class
B L O O D C U R S E
I literally was just thinking. "I want Davvy to do a Blood Hunter Guide" And then This came up in my sub box.
R.I.P. Molly ;__; my fav Sexi Daemon Boi
Long May he rain
Fun fact, that tiefling you showed during the order of the profane soul is actually a sorcerer, not a warlock like everyone thinks...
@sum body
I care : (
@@BlueSun_ I care too
@sum body People do, in fact care it would seem.
I’m do happy to revisit your videos. I was working on a Druid for a session my friends started last week, and I love him. But seeing you go over this class and referencing Mollymauk made my day even more so. You’re content is awesome. I wish you success :)
Home brew Classes, Races, Subclasses and more can be really interesting and cool. For example I made a Barbarian Subclass called The Path of Destruction which had some abilities based off the Tarasque (sorry for spelling and btw a lot less powerful than a Tarasque) and the player that had this for a game I ran had so much for breaking things and having a fun time
I'm running a Blood Hunter in my roommates homebrewed campaign. He also homebrewed an archetype for my Blood Hunter called Order of the Mage Slayer since my backstory has dude being experimented on by wizards and that's how he was turned into a Blood Hunter and now he hunts them long story short. Its fire
"Yo dawg, I heard you liked homebrews."
I love Critical Role and Matt Mercer. RIP Mollymauk
See my goal is to just play the happiest blood hunter around like yeah his parents were slaughtered but the world is still such a beautiful place full of happy nice people and you can't tell him otherwise
It's not a phase mom, it's a 20 level class progression!
This is a mandatory announcement:
E D G E
That is all.
Ah yes let us mock the class more than actually talking about the implications of its abilities.
I love how it felt like a witcher themed class till you got to the last one and I'm like yup witcher
Came here because I want to do my best to make a vampire (of sorts) character-based off a fictional character. Their name is Alucard which means demon and is Dracula backwards, and they are a half drow. The lycness subclass would probably fit the source character better but I’d rather go with the warlock blend-plus it still fits a little.
"Duel Wielding is the best way to get the most bang for your buck" As the next picture is Mollymauk. Too soon.
The most edgyist character...
Aasimar bloodhunter
Kal-El 702 That’s a weird way to spell Drow
Just make sure it's lycanthropy or profane and add 1 level of fallen paladin and it doesn't really matter whether you're a fallen angel or a bloody drider...
I... did not consider that, is the asimars blood differnt? Oh this sounds cool!
@@telkei3365 well it's certainly Special....
Fallen Aasimar specifically. Ain't nothing edgy about a couple of good aligned, happy angel bois.
Just figured out where my DM got his werewolf rulings for our Barbarian.
Didn't Taliesin Jaffe help with this class? The guy who goes by Executive Goth. I love it
Just started a game yesterday and freind mentioned Blood hunter and I was on it! Love it, I got the perfect all black with black wide brim hat character image. Yes I am in fcat playing him so edegy he makes you bleeed by looking at him. Started at lvl 1, 2 by end of session, plan on doing Order of Profane soul to get those sweet warlock spells.
Wow blood hunter has changed a lot since this game out
Looking at the comments, I realize how unoriginal I am with the idea of "edgy class/subclass/race but character is very positive".
I personally think Homebrew has its place, and that place is campaigns that require or would benefit from niche concepts, or outright require something that the developers did not come up with. I played a 3.5/Pathfinder campaign once where the DM custom built a whole slew of templates and classes to recreate the feel of the Zerg from StarCraft, and it was a joy to play in. It also had the interesting side effect of it being a campaign where tristalt (gestalt, but three classes) was not in any way overpowered, and combat was threatening even when fighting wolves. This was my first campaign with a legitimate character death, and it was epic doing so.
Loved the twin sickle cell attack comment. Glorious!
Mollymauk was a blood hunter, that's all I know I didn't even watch him play it so Idk teach me.
HAHA THIS WAS HILARIUS! THE EDGY JOKE WAS FUNNY NOT JUST THE FIRST TIME BUT THE EIGHT TIME AS WELL!!
Im impressed you held back making a witcher joke for the last one.
Ironically one of the best things about the Blood Hunter class (or as I like to call them the Witch Hunter, because I'm a Warhammer nerd) is how clearly edgy they're *supposed* to be, then taking that and flipping it on its head. For example, in my group's Tomb of Annhiliation campaign I play an Order of the Ghostslayer Blood (Witch) Hunter who's a young elven boy, really just an apprentice, who's in waaaay over his head. He's young, inexperienced, and terrified 99% of the time. Despite the fact that its basically his job to hunt the undead the undead are the thing he's the most scared of. So yeah, don't play a dark and edgy Blood Hunter. Pull a Talesian Jaffe and play an upbeat mr. brightside or a pansy and completely subvert expectations
and then theres mollymauk who just turns the class into a pansexual bedazzled carnie, a literal and figurative peacck
Everything you listed as a con for lycanthropy I see as a pro 👍
Including attacking party members?
StarkMaximum hell yeah, definitely one of the higher reasons I’d enjoy it. Could be a nice driving factor of some plot or something among those lines, ya know. Also, adds further sense of fear to the beast form, I would think, which is always empowering.
Nice little risk/reward system, ya know. But as Ive said, it’s what “I” see as a pro
It doesn't count as "risk/reward" when SOMEONE ELSE takes a risk to get YOU a reward.
StarkMaximum it’s risk/reward for the party as a whole, you’re getting real invested in some random person on the internet’s opinions 😂
My bloodhunter-in-progress is a little tiefling detective who, unknown to her, is quality entertainment to bored demons. She has friends in high places, but may be more of a court jester than anything else... still, fun abilities and personality!
I'm actually kind of tired of everyone bitching about how edgy the blood hunter is. Yes it is edgy but so what. Some people like glass cannon characters and you don't get more glass cannon than having to sacrifice some of your own health to do max damage. Is high risk and high reward, which I love, and I love seeing the idea of blood magic which has so much potential in fantasy settings being used in something that isn't Dragon Age.
And also, why judge people for their characters when we're all roleplaying around a table in the game that is the very epitome of nerdy outcasts?
AGHHHAGAHHSSHGAHAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
I didn’t think you would ever do this because you said you wouldn’t do this AND I AM SO EXCITED
I wish Bloodhunter got a vampire subclass to go along with its werewolf-esque subclass. That way I could be a vampire hunting vampires like Blade or Alucard. The closest to that I have right now is choosing the UA Vampire Race and playing a Monster Slayer Ranger.
Well Ghosthunter isn't just ghosts but undead in general. The level 10 Supernal flurry ability especially has your attacks hit extra times and you heal if you reduce a creature to 0 hp.
I'd also like to point you to Mercer's Blood Domain cleric if you really want to do all that Deadman/Alucard stuff
There’s a homebrew archetype called “Order of the Sanguine Thirst” that’s vampire inspired. Mercer didn’t make it, but it still fits well with the other orders.
I ended up making a changeling bloodhunter with a pretty sounding name, they’re backstory is pretty uneventful and ended up becoming a bloodhunter out of pure boredom. They also have the personality of a class clown and uses their changeling abilities mainly just to mess with others instead of doing anything useful.
I’m honestly not sure how I came up with this idea
Oh my god i love the ghost reference so much!!
At one session, some friend of one of the other players guest starred as a Lycathrope Blood Hunte, with the power of a Were-Giraffe, and kept a fuckload of ostrich eggs in a bag of holding to use as exploding projectiles.
The sickle cell pun is extremely underrated
Heck yeah.. I'm going to play as a gnome bloodhunter.
I like the profound soul being a sort of warlock combo class. I usually dip warlock with my classes for flavor and the pact weapon.
It's 'profane' actually.
My Blood Hunter was a Lawful Good Aasimar (Order of the Profane Soul subclass) who took up the role because Blood Hunters were important to his community (a tribe of nomads who lived in a desert land known as the Blasted Abyss, a place absolutely crawling with Demons, Devils, and Undead thanks to a magical cataclysm about 700 years previously), and was generally a kind, humble, well-meaning hero. Still could not escape being called an edgelord.
Currently playing a throw away character who’s a Ghostslayer and is just Kenpachi Zaraki from Bleach. Chaotic Neutral bloodthirsty Soldier background who loves to keep killing. It was pretty great but especially great because of Rite of the Dawn changing your rite to radiant and then halving your damage to it. THAT is the only time I could see double rites being useful. Currently at LV 3 I take 1 damage when activating it and lose 1 max HP which is amazing. Tough Fest is a must though because being a frontline martial class that fuels their abilities with their own pain you gotta be a beefcake. Variant human for GWM at LV 1. Haven’t used it but we haven’t faced the dungeon boss yet either which is kinda what I’m saving it for. Great weapon fighting style is also amazing because a free reroll of every single bad damage roll is crazy good.
Am I the only one that thinks that even as a joke, this felt a little bit mean spirited? I don’t even remember Warlocks or rangers getting panned this hard.
Neko Gray thank you, I was thinking the same
It’s likely due to his limited time with the Blood Hunter, and ONLY as a DM, who honestly probably see everything as a detriment (oh fucking hell the WIZARD DID WHAT?!) to a campaign.
As well as this, Chappy DID state he is not a big fan of homebrew content, assuming of course he means like, homebrew for his players (many DMs will use monsters and change them, technically homebrewing), because it honestly means you don’t know what could happen. That little class you thought would be funny to put in suddenly can morph into a Gargantuan kaiju-like monster and fucking shred your BBEG. No fun.
@@PercyJackson123456 I mean, his opinions are valid. He made an apt analysis of how the class works and its strengths and weaknesses. As a DM as well, I get that introducing screening and picking the right homebrew that won't just ruin the game is important. He said so himself that the class valid enough though, and he didn't judge warlock for its madder edges or ranger for its popular disapproval.
Well, he did for those classes, but it felt good-natured.
"When famous people decide to make a super pandering edgy homebrew class."
People worked really hard in making the class balanced enough with its high damage output and it's several drawbacks to make it not just a straight upgrade to other casting or martial classes like FIghter, Paladin or Ranger. There are some things that can be unfun about the class (such as Bloodlust in the Lycan order possibly leading into an inopportune TPK) and it can be grating in regard to its dark fantasy imagery, But it sounds a little like...
I don't know. Maybe some of the jokes didn't land on me as well as they did for others.
I mean, you've gotta admit that the class comes with a lot of passive edge in terms of ability names. I mean, a good player can make it a lot less edgy, but a bad one (or someone who just wants to make your soul bleed) can make it way more edgy than any class has any right to be (drow lycanthropy hunter who slits his wrists in a vein attempt to escape the pain that is existence and ends up hurting everyone around him... (I took 2 minutes to come up with that, I dread to think what I could do with an hour or more))
Neko Gray I‘m not a D&D pro, but doesn’t the weakness to take damage for added damage output have the potential to ruin the healing game of a party? It does look a bit like a weakness that is passed over to the healer and hence to the rest of the party, while only the user benefits from increased damage output. From reading the class it didn’t seem overpowered, but I can see the whole „needs more healing than others“ becoming a party issue.
0:50 My eyes… It burns...
Now I wanna play this but make it as wholesome as possible.
This was great. Would love to see more homebrew class reviews.
Davvy Chappy: I don't like the order of lycan cause it could fuck the party over possibly.
Wild Magic Sorcerer: Slowly backing out of the room dripping sweat...
Cool the bloodhunter I'm playing gets favored at the end. Awesome
Fun fact because the lycan blood hunter attacks the nearest creature when failing his wisdom save you could in theory just be getting more attacks off on monsters your in melee combat with. If your other party members just aren't near you, whether that be because they are casters or spread out amongst the battlefield then after wacking that Orc with your greatsword with a crimson rite on it plus your extra attack your getting to hit him yet again as a reaction cause he decided to bonk you on the head and hes the closest creature currently near you.
*gets tipped in the head*
MOTHERFU-
*tears the orc in half*
My group allows INT warlocks, so Hexblade 1 Ghost slayer X is a ton of fun and super thematic and fitting to getting more curses.
Top it off by being a follower of Beshaba
Counter argument to the whole attacking your party: we have had wild magic sorcerers fireballing their (our) own faces for years and they're still the most popular sorcerer subclass
Hey can you also do the class for gunslinger please I think it’s awesome.
Like the one created by Matt Mercer? or by someone else? Because if its the one by Matt then that is not a class but a subclass so it wouldn't be enough content for a video.
TheWizardRed dam your right.
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Well he could do a compilation special of Mercer's various subclasses:
- Gunslinger Fighter
- Way of the Cobalt Soul Monk
- Blood Domain Cleric
- Path of the Juggernaut Barbarian
- Runechild Sorcerer
- College of the Maestro Bard
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And Totem of the Duck Barbarian.
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Yeah, I didn't mention that one because it's not even a subclass, more like sub-subclass
This makes me want to make a homebrew bloodtinge class from bloodborne in d&d
I've played all the archetypes and honestly the profane soul is the one worth playing long term
Yes edgyiest character as I cartwheel into a room turn into a weretrout and throw my boomerangs
Im going to be playing a bloodhunter soon. Ghost slayer with archery fighting style, it seems like a pretty good way to play as an archer.
5:37 Gotta cure them constantly is what I'm hearing
Turning on your party at an inopportune moment ruins the game?
Nah mate that makes it hilarious
Side note about the Lycan possibly attacking other players: Wild Magic Sorcerer and the fireball centered on themself
Why is this class so wildly accepted from so many channels.
Probably because it's made by a guy from Critical Role
My blood is boiling! Mind you it has nothing to do with this video, I just live in one of the hottest states that exist.
Kudos to anyone who gets this reference; I kinda want to make a ghost slayer that uses a square hammer. (It was a lazy one, I know)
Love seeing the Ghost references.
Neat, hoping to see Mystic one day