This kind of tutorial is cool because it teach you a technique without giving you a sound, it show you how to experiment yourself and find your own sound. And it's Noisia so it's more cool :)
In the first part of this series Martijn said he doesnt actually know how to control the loop length, now Nik said he doesnt know how to set the phase off the axis, and Thijs didnt know what he was doing at all. lol
That's the biggest secret of life you just figured out. No one actually knows shit, except stuff they've figured out by themselves. The actual mastery is the ability to do crazy top-notch stuff with limited knowledge, and actual genius/pioneer is the one who able to push some basic stuff beyond its limits, into something totally new and different.
Dude, when it comes to music production, most of the time, you keep turning knobs till you get a cool sound. Show me a producer who before he starts producing, he sits down and says, "I'm going to use 3 oscillators to mix between saws and square waves, with -1 octave on the last two. It will be in the key of Dm." Sure there are the synthesis and production aficionados. But those comes after years and years in the studio with the same gear. I think they mentioned that they just got done of the modular. Give them a break. Art comes off as sort of an accident most of the time.
a quick mathematical note for convolutions. it's the same as frequency domain multiplication. so a kick convoluted with a share will be some mid rangy mess. If frequencies are abcent in one sample, they will be abcent in the end result. low frequency sounds will effectively function as a low pass filter.
Very cool trick he did with FM8. That synth is so underrated. I've been playing with it since FM7 and I was teaching myself a lot of that synth. This was before I even knew what FM synthesis was. But this tutorial was awesome. He really show you how you can edit samples and sounds to get more or something else out of them. I wish there'd be more
josh foley cymbals are instruments that occupy the whole frequency spectrum so clicks with white noise will give you Hihats. a kick with white noise might give you a share
I do a similar thing with the Vocoder in Ableton, you can do it with any 2 sounds but for example I take a pluck and then add a new track with the same MIDI notes and a piano VST, then I filter the pluck through the Vocoder, mess with the settings and then control with dry/wet.. It's a simple way to basically filter one sound through another, a vocoder is a fun tool and if you've just tried it with vocals you're missing out! Also really useful for wobble bass sounds.
Not hard to understand why Noisia loves Izotope Trash 2 so much. It does alot of his stuff inside the plugin....EQ, Multiband distortion, EQ again, compress, Convolve (Crazy Convolutions), delay.
Clearly these videos aren't meant to teach you everything. With that being said it's awesome that noisia does these videos. I don't think their intention is for the viewer to copy exactly what they are doing, but rather unique approaches to sound design..
Sounds like you're trying to discredit the skill involved in sound design and music production. Not sure if that's your angle but that's how it came across.
I thought i should learn cubase because of Noisia and Amon Tobin but if Nik is happy enough with Bitwig now I feel that sweet confirmation bias since I ended up with Bitwig. Can’t wait for more Sleepnet, RIP Noisia. ❤️
Fun fact Noisias members all used to paint graffiti in their youth meaning that, that 'asbest' sign has probably had more studios to live in than a person currently 18 years old
"It makes it sound as if the sound you're putting through it is coming out of some sort of membrane that's limiting the frequencies it can produce." Yes, Nik. That's called a "filter".
What DAW are you using here.? I'm using REAPER and KOMPLETE 12. I think I'm gonna download Ableton's 30 day demo and see if it would help me get my projects to the end zone sounding better and hopefully a bit faster. I have Vahalla-plate & Vahalla-room also. Great dsp's.. Who makes that convoluter FX? And how do you guys get those super strong, mega low, dancefloor devastating bass sounds? I love your sonic tsunami's and how it sounds like the Alien walkers in War of the Worlds where they start blasting people out or their shoes and socks.. and it starts raining meat confetti everywhere... that's how I visualize Noisia's 25hz - 35hz sonic pulses that you guys dress up in just the right FX !! Thx brother. ....very appreciated.
Ok, so why that works is when you have a sine wave (sinus)... you go from 0, 90, 180, 270 to 360. That is from 0, 0.5, 1, 1.5 to 2... so offsetting by one shifts the sinus left or right! You can also invert a cosine to get the same result with mathematics ;)
Toets maar eens sin(x) en pas dan de offset van -1 maal Pi toe: sin(x-pi) Pi omdat het 0 maal Pi, 1/2 maal Pi, 1 maal Pi, 1 1/2 maal Pi en 2 maal Pi is... Dit kun je vervolgens vergelijken met de uitkomst van: cos(x) * -1
It's actually a bit more complicated than that. Hit up the wiki page about convolution. The theory of it made no fucking sense for me during university, but Im now finally recognising one useful thing for it... xD
Basically it is using the math opération of convoluting the time signal. But a convolution in the time domain actually results in à multiplication of the spectrum amplitude. However it messes the phases so you can't just do a ''multiplication''. Yet, it actually helps to know that it will multiply spectrum, it helps predict bumps and losses.
What's with the buzzing? For a magazine/site whose sole purpose existing is about music and sound and making them sound nice and clean, *CLEAN UP THE AUDIO* I mean, wtf.
aaaaahh ok, I see. But still, isn't the big window kinda bad for the acoustics? also isn't it a little pointless, since it's not leading into a recordingroom/booth? u can just take a peek on who's coming and going... this is NO hatecomment or something, only my thoughts...
I still think speakers, at high volume can't prevent energy from being transmitted to the entire glass panel thus creating unwanted vibrations. However, glass still reflects indirect waves that have been reflected by walls. A rather small percentage of the wall surfaces have been treated by diffusion and absorbtion. And Skyline diffusers do not perform as good as quadratic. Very nice studio indeed, probably one the top 90% of the world, but I think there is still room for improvement.
proper lad It's a profile thing. Word gets round and he wants to look like the man in the know with all the gear so that whoever is commissioning the next big budget video game score will give him a serious look. He's not even trying to disguise it, really.
proper lad I'm not saying he's not good at what he does. They're talented people and work hard -what's that got to do with it? You obviously looked at the video as a fanboy. That's the object of the exercise. It's not a tutorial.
proper lad ok apologies, I did think you were being slightly sarcastic, yes. These are professional people, they've mastered their craft and they wanna get work - people forget that side of it. It's not like they're Bieber and getting 500m views and credit to them for that. What do I think of the album? It sounds a bit like 3 blind men playing cricket in a lighthouse to be honest - having said that if you walked into a club with a monster sound peaking on acid and this was playing then it would probably sound interesting. I think your mates right, sounds like they're trying a bit too hard. Same sort of vibe as the video, really.
OfficialAbass Yes, I know who they are. There's three things you need to get where Noisia have got; hard work, talent and promotion. Think about it. Do you think he's showing you this stuff to impart his skills to encourage people to make great records, or do you think he's doing it to give fans and potential fans an exciting insight into his creative process and workflow? I think the latter and that falls under the heading 'promotion', another word for which is marketing. And try not to use the word 'retarded', it can be as hurtful and insulting as other words that have fallen out of use.
The Nigel Tufnel of the EDM generation. All the gear no idea. This is painful to watch. 13 minutes for one hi hat - which he even says sounds crap. Just use a sample and make some music quick.
Why's that? Because fumbling blindly for 13 minutes with convolution software in the name of sound creation renders the end result more "organic" than using a sample? I haven't got that sort of time to waste when in the mix no one's going to tell the difference anyway. The main thing is that this is the most comically useless tutorial I've ever seen. Pointless and convoluted. See what i did there?
Use a sample, use a preset, use an analogue white noise generator, use a drumstick and a real cymbal - who really gives a shit how the sound is generated? The only thing that matters is the end result. And do you even know the meaning of he word "digital?" Please tell me how using samples is more "digital" and "over-processed" than what is going on in this video??
Why don't you eliminate all that time wasted navigating & steering your mouse like a race car thru endless sub menus / learning curve Just get a Moog Model D and get your hands on immediately all your demonstrating is your familiarization with software and how good it looks on a LCD 46" TV screen
His attention to detail is what sets him apart. He does some amazing digital art too, smart man.
Noisia are legends, producers from every genre should watch their tutorials
Their workflow changed my life
This kind of tutorial is cool because it teach you a technique without giving you a sound, it show you how to experiment yourself and find your own sound. And it's Noisia so it's more cool :)
4:37 Literally took Nik 3 seconds to get it sounding right with eq.... just shows how sharp and trained his ear is
In the first part of this series Martijn said he doesnt actually know how to control the loop length, now Nik said he doesnt know how to set the phase off the axis, and Thijs didnt know what he was doing at all. lol
Seems to work out pretty well for them aha, maybe the key is knowing shit all
That's the biggest secret of life you just figured out. No one actually knows shit, except stuff they've figured out by themselves. The actual mastery is the ability to do crazy top-notch stuff with limited knowledge, and actual genius/pioneer is the one who able to push some basic stuff beyond its limits, into something totally new and different.
+Владимир Остапенко
Basically Amon Tobin and Bonobo.
(Not excluding Noisia trio)
Dude, when it comes to music production, most of the time, you keep turning knobs till you get a cool sound. Show me a producer who before he starts producing, he sits down and says, "I'm going to use 3 oscillators to mix between saws and square waves, with -1 octave on the last two. It will be in the key of Dm."
Sure there are the synthesis and production aficionados. But those comes after years and years in the studio with the same gear. I think they mentioned that they just got done of the modular. Give them a break. Art comes off as sort of an accident most of the time.
Sounds like experimentation
putting a windows task-manager shortcut in the taskbar actually blew my mind #life=changed
True, but Ctrl + Alt + ESC is easier imo
+Holland Vance-Wright its not
Or just right-click on the taskbar and click task manager. I guess it's two clicks instead of one but potentially quicker than a key combination.
Thanks for commenting on this. This is revolutionary
what does this do?
Nik Roos, please do a Masterclass.
more. please.
a quick mathematical note for convolutions. it's the same as frequency domain multiplication. so a kick convoluted with a share will be some mid rangy mess. If frequencies are abcent in one sample, they will be abcent in the end result. low frequency sounds will effectively function as a low pass filter.
Robert nice info thnx!
Your metering is a dream!
It's unbelievable what these guys can do to sounds. Mind bending, literally.
Thats why it's called neuro :P
Very cool trick he did with FM8. That synth is so underrated. I've been playing with it since FM7 and I was teaching myself a lot of that synth. This was before I even knew what FM synthesis was.
But this tutorial was awesome. He really show you how you can edit samples and sounds to get more or something else out of them. I wish there'd be more
I love how this tutorial is about convolution and it is in fact a convoluted tutorial
Reason's RV7000mk2 is an excellent convolution unit
Yes, more Noisia please!
I love watching people, who know what they're doing.
Blew my mind when Nik made a cymbal sound from a white noise patch in Sylenth1. Gonna have to play around with that idea
josh foley cymbals are instruments that occupy the whole frequency spectrum so clicks with white noise will give you Hihats. a kick with white noise might give you a share
josh foley that's kind of a well known trick
Robert you just changed my life
Nik. The Technical mastermind behind Noisia
Oh yes! Noisia studio video time!
I do a similar thing with the Vocoder in Ableton, you can do it with any 2 sounds but for example I take a pluck and then add a new track with the same MIDI notes and a piano VST, then I filter the pluck through the Vocoder, mess with the settings and then control with dry/wet.. It's a simple way to basically filter one sound through another, a vocoder is a fun tool and if you've just tried it with vocals you're missing out! Also really useful for wobble bass sounds.
👍
Gonna try this
Suddenly Melda sold a shit ton of convoluters
Deadmau5 use melda plugins too. I discovered them before knowing this but when you try them you know they are more useful than they may appear
Yea I first saw Melda when doing DeadMau5 masterclass - this convo is great tho!
The Free Bundle from Melda is absolutely great.
With this and the ReaPlugs pack you are pretty much set for the mixing part.
Not hard to understand why Noisia loves Izotope Trash 2 so much. It does alot of his stuff inside the plugin....EQ, Multiband distortion, EQ again, compress, Convolve (Crazy Convolutions), delay.
Thats what I was telling to a friend too ahaha yeah u can hear the grain :D
From the future, they really ruined Trash 3.
Yes sadly@@No.0.o.0
8 girls don't want to convolute with Nik.
Pasarán años hasta que haya alguien como estos tipos,son los goat del drum amd bass ❤❤❤
Clearly these videos aren't meant to teach you everything. With that being said it's awesome that noisia does these videos. I don't think their intention is for the viewer to copy exactly what they are doing, but rather unique approaches to sound design..
Honestly I just love seeing a little glimpse into the minds of some DnB geniuses.
Bit late to the party but I throughly enjoyed this..time to start upping my convolution game!
The software developers are the actual geniuses.
Well yes, but if you don't know how to use it it doesn't matter how much effort the software devs put into it.
Well i wouldn't call Ferrari developers more GENIOUS than Michael Schumacher, i would say that Both combined....sheesh
Sounds like you're trying to discredit the skill involved in sound design and music production. Not sure if that's your angle but that's how it came across.
@@danvez5656 the lack of emojis sucks in these situations 🤣
@@davidpereira4455 I wasn't talking about your reply but the original comment mate.
Wow this is a great vid! you've inspired me with new ideas for my own music. regards from Flevoland haha
Nik always seemed like he had the strongest grasp on what he's doing.
This dude is brilliant
I thought i should learn cubase because of Noisia and Amon Tobin but if Nik is happy enough with Bitwig now I feel that sweet confirmation bias since I ended up with Bitwig. Can’t wait for more Sleepnet, RIP Noisia. ❤️
how do you know that Nick moved into Bitwig?
@@dnbkilla Nik does amazing tutorials and some track breakdowns on the Vision Patreon.
This sounds like the kind of technique that produced those percussive bass hits in "Stamp Out."
These guys have the coolest group studio bar none.
I created a short (even a one cycle) sinewave at 50 Hz at very low level as convolution source. It gave a deep live concert like bass enhancement. :)
people in the comments are so impressionable
*PLS, what is the name of the program that analyzes the real-time that is at the bottom right?*
Arem Krotov foobar
Fun fact
Noisias members all used to paint graffiti in their youth meaning that, that 'asbest' sign has probably had more studios to live in than a person currently 18 years old
You know... Because they stole it when they were teens
First track?? I love it please give me the title :)
noisia - reptilians
Nice to see that they still use Fm8 allot!
Grind Abrasion no they dont. You think they will show what they reeealy use...
How can he see the small dropdown menus and words on that screen so far back?
Well, it's a 32" display
Abletons corpus effect is one of my favorites for this reason
That‘s phyiscal modelling
Insane with a membrane
Flayxz haha 😂
I just bought mconvolution MB. Great software, I thought m4l's convolution reverb was good enough but it really doesn't compare
Anybody know what keyboard he's using? The typing one not the Moog.
"It makes it sound as if the sound you're putting through it is coming out of some sort of membrane that's limiting the frequencies it can produce."
Yes, Nik. That's called a "filter".
But it also puts it in a room with reverberation that a standard filter doesn't offer?
is that a little sub on his desk?
What DAW are you using here.? I'm using REAPER and KOMPLETE 12. I think I'm gonna download Ableton's 30 day demo and see if it would help me get my projects to the end zone sounding better and hopefully a bit faster. I have Vahalla-plate & Vahalla-room also. Great dsp's..
Who makes that convoluter FX?
And how do you guys get those super strong, mega low, dancefloor devastating bass sounds? I love your sonic tsunami's and how it sounds like the Alien walkers in War of the Worlds where they start blasting people out or their shoes and socks.. and it starts raining meat confetti everywhere... that's how I visualize Noisia's 25hz - 35hz sonic pulses that you guys dress up in just the right FX !!
Thx brother. ....very appreciated.
The plugin here is from Melda production.
Ok, so why that works is when you have a sine wave (sinus)... you go from 0, 90, 180, 270 to 360. That is from 0, 0.5, 1, 1.5 to 2... so offsetting by one shifts the sinus left or right! You can also invert a cosine to get the same result with mathematics ;)
Toets maar eens sin(x) en pas dan de offset van -1 maal Pi toe: sin(x-pi)
Pi omdat het 0 maal Pi, 1/2 maal Pi, 1 maal Pi, 1 1/2 maal Pi en 2 maal Pi is...
Dit kun je vervolgens vergelijken met de uitkomst van: cos(x) * -1
Damn, I knew about this technique, but I got some interesting ideas to experiment.
"Drum Pielemoos Probeersel", which Dutch watching this saw that too? :P
I've only watched a few videos of them but now I know that whenever I hear reverb in a Noisia track this guy is prob responsible.
if you convolute two sounds, you actually multiply the 2 sounds respective spectrums.
It's actually a bit more complicated than that. Hit up the wiki page about convolution. The theory of it made no fucking sense for me during university, but Im now finally recognising one useful thing for it... xD
Basically it is using the math opération of convoluting the time signal. But a convolution in the time domain actually results in à multiplication of the spectrum amplitude. However it messes the phases so you can't just do a ''multiplication''. Yet, it actually helps to know that it will multiply spectrum, it helps predict bumps and losses.
Proper tips. He's up there
What's the plugin on the bottom right monitor?
Some kind of spectral editing plugin. Don't know exactly which one but Melda MSpectralDynamics and Izotope RX 5 Audio Editor offer similar features
I think it's Cubase's stock spectral meter.
It's SpectraFoo by Metric Halo. Extremely useful, also supports multi-channel.
Brilliant
What's with the buzzing? For a magazine/site whose sole purpose existing is about music and sound and making them sound nice and clean, *CLEAN UP THE AUDIO* I mean, wtf.
Can anyone recommend decent convolution plugins?
Try boogex
I'm feeling stupid now
ASBEST 🤟🤟
It seems like the room is not sound treated at all... Or am I wrong?
very wrong producerdj.com/2014/06/noisia-build-studio/
aaaaahh ok, I see. But still, isn't the big window kinda bad for the acoustics? also isn't it a little pointless, since it's not leading into a recordingroom/booth? u can just take a peek on who's coming and going...
this is NO hatecomment or something, only my thoughts...
Whoa, you liste/follow Noisia!!?? I'd love to hear some dnb from Audiofreq!
this is just perfect
I still think speakers, at high volume can't prevent energy from being transmitted to the entire glass panel thus creating unwanted vibrations. However, glass still reflects indirect waves that have been reflected by walls. A rather small percentage of the wall surfaces have been treated by diffusion and absorbtion. And Skyline diffusers do not perform as good as quadratic. Very nice studio indeed, probably one the top 90% of the world, but I think there is still room for improvement.
Cool
-So... do you have a headphones,no?
useful!
remember.. membrane sound..
Zbs (збсь)
In the thumbnail he looks a bit like Jason Statham
ik ruik nederlands
збс(zbs)(nice)(lekker)
Jason Statham is you??
please get rid of mouse clicks in these tutorial-style videos. love the content but damn that is driving me bonkers!
Omg looks like nuclear war...not understand. UFO
Lots of mouse clicking..................
Less of a tutorial, more of a marketing exercise
proper lad It's a promo video for him and his skills masquerading as a tutorial
proper lad It's a profile thing. Word gets round and he wants to look like the man in the know with all the gear so that whoever is commissioning the next big budget video game score will give him a serious look. He's not even trying to disguise it, really.
proper lad I'm not saying he's not good at what he does. They're talented people and work hard -what's that got to do with it? You obviously looked at the video as a fanboy. That's the object of the exercise. It's not a tutorial.
proper lad ok apologies, I did think you were being slightly sarcastic, yes. These are professional people, they've mastered their craft and they wanna get work - people forget that side of it. It's not like they're Bieber and getting 500m views and credit to them for that.
What do I think of the album? It sounds a bit like 3 blind men playing cricket in a lighthouse to be honest - having said that if you walked into a club with a monster sound peaking on acid and this was playing then it would probably sound interesting. I think your mates right, sounds like they're trying a bit too hard. Same sort of vibe as the video, really.
OfficialAbass Yes, I know who they are. There's three things you need to get where Noisia have got; hard work, talent and promotion. Think about it. Do you think he's showing you this stuff to impart his skills to encourage people to make great records, or do you think he's doing it to give fans and potential fans an exciting insight into his creative process and workflow? I think the latter and that falls under the heading 'promotion', another word for which is marketing. And try not to use the word 'retarded', it can be as hurtful and insulting as other words that have fallen out of use.
This is a joke right ?
The Nigel Tufnel of the EDM generation. All the gear no idea. This is painful to watch. 13 minutes for one hi hat - which he even says sounds crap. Just use a sample and make some music quick.
Why's that? Because fumbling blindly for 13 minutes with convolution software in the name of sound creation renders the end result more "organic" than using a sample? I haven't got that sort of time to waste when in the mix no one's going to tell the difference anyway. The main thing is that this is the most comically useless tutorial I've ever seen. Pointless and convoluted. See what i did there?
good luck trying to seperate yourself from the rest then man, enjoy your digital over processed samples
Use a sample, use a preset, use an analogue white noise generator, use a drumstick and a real cymbal - who really gives a shit how the sound is generated? The only thing that matters is the end result. And do you even know the meaning of he word "digital?" Please tell me how using samples is more "digital" and "over-processed" than what is going on in this video??
Stay mad bro. u just jelly because they are better than you.
Agree. He's just trying to make himself look like the big man. It's all bollocks.
Why don't you eliminate all that time wasted navigating & steering your mouse like a race car thru endless sub menus / learning curve
Just get a Moog Model D and get your hands on immediately
all your demonstrating is your familiarization with software and how good it looks on a LCD 46" TV screen
Hey what has name that vst Convolution?