I remember watching Deadliest Catch and seeing Sig Hanson getting a call from another captain to tell him that the Destination had sank. Sig was good friends with Jeff, the captain of the Destination, and the news completely destroyed him. It was heartbreaking.
I was fishing south of them doing pot cod, we went inside to eat and the Mate told us. Watching those stacks of pots shift in rough weather always makes your butthole pucker, especially when your on top of it.
Just watching the ROV footage, when they find the hull, and your heart just drops out. And it only gets worse when the camera pans over the name, and you know that yeah, it's the Destination.
As is always the case, there is more to the story. The NTSB report discusses the lack of a current stability analysis and ballast considerations as well as the icing. The vessel was modified in the 90's and again in the early 2000's adding 3,500 pounds of steel which equal 5 pots. The added bait (beyond the normal bait load) taken on in Dutch equaled another 20 pots. There was also the fact the the actual pots on board weighed 840 pounds, 140 pounds more than the weight used in the stability report which would equal another 28,000 pounds or the equivalent of another 40 pots. So out of the gate, the boat was carrying 65 pots more than the initial stability report authorized when the skipper thought he was carrying 24 less. A effective net increase of 89 pots more than the crew thought they had. That alone was enough to cause problems in a rough seaway, let alone heavy icing conditions. Then if the icing caused the freeing ports to become blocked water would stay on deck and start to flood the stern tank adding to the free surface effect. Lastly, if the freeboard was compromised, down-flooding into the house would have been the final nail in her coffin. Bottom line is the the boat was loaded past her stability limits. If she had been able to make the transit to St. Paul in good weather and fair seas she would have most likely survived. The added pot load and ice was just too much for her already over burdened hull. NTSB REPORT: www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1814.pdf Many will want to place blame somewhere - in the final analysis it rests with me as the master of the vessel. It is my decision whether the boat leaves the dock. It is my decision to put her in harms way with the elements. It is my decision as to how she is loaded. One of the most common phrases we in the maritime community hear is 'the prudent mariner'. The prudent mariner will according to the international maritime bureau, walk on water without getting his feet wet. All is great in theory but in the real world with schedules to meet, fish to be caught, bills to pay and families to feed, sometimes that prudence can wear thin. Not condoning anything. Not blaming anyone. I was not there and I do not know all.
Thank you for this. I had a hunch it was something more complicated than just ice. In earlier seasons of "Deadliest Catch" (seasons that take place before 2017), you see fisherman breaking the ice off their boat. They talk about the dangers of ice and how it makes their boat top heavy. It is a problem they knew about, and they knew how to fix it. So the cause of this sinking simply being icing was a bit weird to me.
That's terrifying. To be sleeping or inside of the boat when that happens would be so scary. It would be scary trying to frantically break the ice off the boat as well...I can't imagine how terrifying it would be, out there like that in the middle of the sea, dark abyss beneath and freezing conditions with wind waves crashing around...yea, that is sad.
I remember watching the episode when Sig got the news about the crab fishing vessel Destination. It was truly sad to see him he looked like he totally wanted to loose it on camera. But he kept it in but you could tell that he was hurting bad. It was a truly sad moment that I'll never forget. I've watched this show on TV since the beginning and it was like someone close to was lost forever. So I'll end this with a God Bless all of the men and women that do that job for a living.I pray that all of you make it home safely every time.
I am a retired Soldier. I worked with the USCG on a couple occassions.. USCG are very professional members of the armed forces. Very unrated. These men and women are awesome professionals. God bless them
I used to monitor Coast Guard frequencies with my shortwave radio in the 1990s and from Louisiana I had strong signals from Search & Rescue when flight 800 and another plane went down off the east coast and the California coast. I had about 350 to 400 feet of insulated wire strung out through the lower tree limbs going north and another wire going south as an antenna. Shortwave was amazing back then and I was in a very rural area on the backwater of the Sabine River in NW Louisiana and there was no electrical interference.
Another point to the coast's credit,.. Most branches of the United States armed forces are not appreciated until there is a war. The coast guard is at war every day! At war against people in distress being left to their own devices, At war with drug infiltration, At war with illegal immigration. Land, Sea, air, And even on land. A branch of the service where you may well be a hero, without ever firing a shot. I'm sure their mothers are proud, But I'm proud to have them representing our nation as well!
@@GradeEhCanadian sounds like a weird question but honestly now i think about it, its about as rare as you would imagine. In the south we get ice after particularly bad frosts in the middle of winter. But even that is only enough for a cm of ice on small bodies of water (troughs, ponds etc ). So yeah it's not really something we, or at least I, deal with. The sort of weather you and especially these guys deal with honestly scares me a little, i really do not like the cold
@@rickyarmstrong5945 as a canadian you grow to appreciate and love the cold, with the proper clothing the cold is very beautiful. i wouldnt trade my snow for anything.
I used to crab and my least favorite part by far was having to knock ice off the boat... sometimes it was never ending. You'd start at the bow and by the time you reached the stern the bow was already icing up and you'd have to start all over... that was hell. Forgetting to tie the fridge door shut and having to clean up an entire fridge worth of food & drink after the vessel rolled hard was also pretty crappy. I only let that happen once!
I am not an expert but I believe a system powerful enough to deal with the ice we are talking about would be heavy and costly and would require a lot of power too.
I grew up on a fishing boats I've lost many friends that never came home. The ocean can be peaceful and beautiful. Then minutes later the sea turns into a roaring monster. Any person that goes to sea for a living are some of the bravest souls on earth.
Imagine being in bed, and then suddenly you're in freezing water gasping and trying to get out. Absolutely nightmarish 😮 I remember watching this as it happened. Poor captain Stig Haanson was so distraught that he had to go home and take some time off. Horrible time. Rip to the crew of the Destination. 🚢
In those conditions the body would enter shock immediately as soon as it felt that water. Horrible way to go. One moment you're wrapped up warm in bed, the next few seconds you're submerged in ice cold water and then that's it.
Rip my Brothers you are always in my Heart we know the Risk every time we head out to sea but it doesn't make this any easier we lost 6 amazing guys 7yrs ago and it feels like yesterday for me they were friends of mine
So very sad happy they were able to find the vessel though. It's almost been 31 years and they are yet to fine the andrea gail a swordfish vessel that sank back in 1991. Happy the families have a bit of closure knowing what happened.
@@TeejAyBeLLenD The Destination and Scandies Rose sank in Alaska. In one of the seasons, Sig Hanson who captains the Northwestern got a call from another captain about the Destination sinking. Sig was good friends with the captain of the Destination. Then we learn of the Scandies Rose sinking in the special episode "Hell for Heroes" which premiered at the beginning of Season 17.
I have sailed the Bering Sea in weather like that when I was in the USN. Imagine standing watch in that weather? Normally the lookouts stood watch in 4 hour shifts. Even in the best foul weather gear we had wasn’t enough for that long. They would cycle guys through on 1 hour off/on. The guy coming in after an hour looked like a frosted statue. So stiff he couldn’t bend his arms.
Over the years of watching this show you think you've seen it all & you hear the stories of tragedies of years past.. But never was their a ship gone in a instant where no radio mayday or any type of call for help was sent. This was truly a here one minute and gone the next. No warnings or anything. I remember watching Sig Hansen get emotional knowing this ship went down and he lost a good friend. The show really earns its name Deadliest Catch for a reason. Everytime they go out to sea 🌊 there is no guarantee that they will be coming home safely to their families and that's a scary realization for families & friends & fans to deal with... What they do is no joke. This is one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet year after year season after season.
They probably had a better chance for survival on deck with left vest and warm clothing. And life boa ready. I don't know if they left a capable man to watch while every one slept. What was the emergency procedure?
"But never was their a ship gone in a instant where no radio mayday or any type of call for help was sent." BS. We have lost dozens of boats without so much as a word on the radio. The "A" boats sank within hours of each other in the 80's, the Big Valley went down without a word and on and on and on.
My step father from Maine was a fisherman and he would come home exhausted. The work is brutal oftentimes and when people buy seafood…they really don’t understand what others go through to bring it to them. For my stepdad, it was in his blood and he knew no other way of life, but he paid a heavy price for it.
How very sad for the families to lose their loved ones. My heart goes out to all those involved with this loss. May your loved ones rest in peace. And those left behind find new hope and peace as well. God and your loved ones are still with you.
there was ice buildup, and i assume a massive rogue wave came out of nowhere and flipped the boat on her side. It happened extremely fast, that’s why no mayday was called out. One massive 50+ foot wave and flipped the top heavy iced up boat in one instant.
Rouge wave likely had nothing to do with it. The Captain had overloaded the deck with 200 pots stacked 5 high grossly violating the boat’s stability rules. Then to make things worse he ordered the crew to stack an additional 7,000+ pounds of palleted squid bait on top of the 5th row of pots again completely violating the boat’s stability loading instructions, raising the boat’s center of gravity, and making the boat even more unstable and prone to capsizing. Last, he ignored the extreme frozen spray warnings in effect at SGI at the time, and decided to sail through it with a heavily overloaded boat that was substantially in violation of its own stability loading rules. That boat sinking was entirely avoidable. But it sunk due to the extreme gross negligence and misconduct of both the boat’s Captain and the Owner! It’s all in the NTSB report!
Is there a reason why they couldnt have suffered from the same kind of flawed stability recs as the the Scandies? This predated the Scandies and there was more wrong there than measurements and rebuild dimensions and sich. They only took into account ice buildup being similar on both sides with the Scandies stability guidelines and had WAY over estimated the amount of ice that could lead to a catastrophic list...buy inches not centimeters. They didnt catch the mistake until after the Scandies sunk.
@@ivanboesky1520 you seem to be very knowledgeable about this so I'll ask you this question that I'm very curious about.. what would these guy's deaths have been like?
I couldn’t imagine what these fellas gone through. The crew sleeping too?! Damn… I’m sure as they were tossed off their beds wondering WTF and then realizing they’ve capsized, their goodbyes to one another had to have been the saddest part. Rest easy Cap’n and crew
The story on the Scandies Rose was the same , ice build up , heavy seas , high wind . While the boat was listing 20-25 degrees to starboard with the 50 knot winds blowing from the starboard side , decievingly the wind was keeping the Scandies from listing even more , the wind was giving the captain a crutch . The captain decided to seek shelter and turned toward the island , when the boat came around the wind was blowing from the port , instantly rolling the boat over. Had the captain realized the 50 knot winds was the variable that was keeping his boat from rolling.....well who knows. If he didn't turn before letting his entire crew get into the survival suits and on deck ..... Well who knows.
@@tomlawrence1335 You can't just "find shelter sooner" the boat was hit with multiple wimwams from various angles back when the national weather service did not even post such reports AND the stability calculations of the boat were incorrectly calculated. It had nothing to do with the crew or Captain's competency, read NTSB and the recommendations posted by the Coast Guard following the event.
@@tomlawrence1335 Great. I am glad because you work on boats you can ignore scientific and investigative facts found by the NTSB and Coast Guard, on top of the two accounts of the survivors.
@avvymain trust me a good captain knows when something is wrong. Mine can tell when we have a 1% list that not even noticeable to most. The captain should of known there were issues if he knew what he was doing
Any time you lose someone. That’s just trying support their family. It hits home hard. I also work on boat. But on the inland waterways Ohio, Mississippi River. And I know it’s nothing like Bering Sea. But we also have tragedies over the years. Crew lost and boats went down. I feel for their families. And any maritime member lost their lives. Rip to the Crew and others before.
I thought they were 3x's overloaded with Crab? And they were heading to the processor? So it was the weight of the Ice from Sea spray and the weight of all their gear/pots that overloaded the boat? That's got to be awful to sink before you even dropped a pot...
If it's feasible, maybe covering the crab pots so they don't ice inside would help. Also, since these computer icing models exist, there should be a realtime program to calculate a boat's ice conditions and a warning when ice needs to be removed ,and how to change course to avoid peak ice buildup. RIP!
I'm sorry but this "reenactment' is ridiculous. For one thing this was not some ancient ship. The captain was definitely not up there turning some old school wooden wheel to steer the vessel. 2 and probably more importantly a very experienced good captain (which by all accounts he was) is not going to just be riding along with THAT much ice and all of a sudden be like oh crap there goes my boat turning over. I'm sure if he had that much ice he was probably already very worried about the situation they were in and had probably been aware of it for some time. He probably just had some series of events transpire that prevented him from being able to rectify the situation before it reached a tipping point. No way he was just riding along collecting that amount of ice completely oblivious to the ramifications of it.
my heart gies to the crew and all rhe crea family i uave beennip there and i know what its like my condolences my love and my prayers go to the families my heart is heavy
Deadliest Catch, most hardcore, tough crazy jobs in the world done by warriors. But after seeing them when a loss happens you know they are all heart and thats why we love them. RIP
This is all speculation. Crabbing vehicles are top heavy now bc the commercial industry pushes crabbers to haul more for more profit, making the most dangerous job in the world more dangerous.
I was going to say so what they all overload. The Korean student ferry overloaded every day but the Cap let a rook perform a 15 degree turn when the max was 5. Caps get tired and blink all the time. Like a trucker falling asleep at the wheel.
probably a few minutes of ice cold terror and desperate attempts to escape but if the doors were all filled up with water it was only a matter of time. 1-2 minutes and she was totally submerged. Probably around 60 seconds
It must have been so frightening for them. It has always been my biggest fear, to be on a sinking ship in the middle of nowhere. Mother Nature can’t be tamed or predicted, she does what she has always done and will continue to do so until the end of time. RIP Destination with captain and crew 🙏🏻
I've thought for many years they should have anti freezing abilities built into the crab boats to help keep the freezing spray down. They really need to invent something.
So sad, especially since there's a chance this could've been prevented. 💔😥 I'm thinking, freezing spray in the forecast? No sleep til the ice is chipped off.
As an Engineer who has tried many ways, it is simply that you cannot generate enough heat to drive off the cold. It permeates through the steel and forms ice around the port holes and watertight doors, on the inside! Some boats run their hot hydro oil through the rails, but it don't go far until it cools off. Engine coolant does not work with the thermostat opening and closing all the time.
@@ConvairDart106 Summer storm hit as the were pulling in net. Only 45 ft boat. When those storms hit no telling what direction the waves and wind will come from. We came close about a couple months before!
No, totally different situations. The Scandies Rose was within her stability letter, even though it may have been marginal for heavy ice. They ran into icing conditions which were not properly forecast. That section of Shielikof and points north are notorious for heavy icing conditions coming out of nowhere. I do not think that Gary had the proper information to make a good decision.
That wife knows whats shes talking about. If it was a bit overloaded then iced up it likely just got hit my too big of a wave and tipped it, once it wasnt level it would have been a challenge to get out
It has been tried. The problem is the wind and the seas tear the tarps apart and can lead to bigger dangers such as the shredded tarp and lines getting into the wheel and seizing it which then means you are dead in the water. Best thing is avoid heavy icing - when it catches you unaware beat the ice off, run for cover, or dump the pots. Fished the Bering Sea for 15 years and the only ice I wanted to see was in a glass at the Elbow Room.
@@rampar77 If I told you that you had 17 days to make your entire salary for a year and you had to work in some kind of adverse condition would you do it or let your kids go hungry for a year?
@@denali9449the “conservationists” and politicians that closed seasons down to just days are to blame for the fishermen and boats being rushed and that’s where stress turns into human error.
@@diachilders3271 In this case the snow crab season ran from October 15th through May 31st. It was not the politicians and conservationists who were controlling the operation of the Trident plant in St. Paul, it was business economics.
A boat with a full stack of pots full of fuel full of bait and full of ice in a storm is a death sentence for a boat and its crew whats shown here i dont think happened the captain had fished for 30 years before so he had seen it all i think the crew was asleep and worn out and the captain didnt want to bother them and he thought he could make it to his fishing spot and take care of it all then somethings missing here bit we will never know what was key to her demise maybe a deck hand was on wheel watch and its normaly a greenhorn and didnt know to look for ice build up
1 of the reasons why Sig kicked his daughter off his boat since it was her, her husband on board and they had a baby. She let ice accumulate during a storm for an hr before she ran down and woke him, He had to hurry up and toss his pots overboard.
I heard about this sorrowful tragedy the fishing vessel Destination went down with all hands including her captain and his son the sea is unmerciful which is why this is one of the most dangerous death dealing jobs in the world
Ultimately the captains have a responsibility to safeguard their crew. Which means having the knowledge & ability to operate in a safe manner. In the last 2 sinkings it was not the weather that killed these men, but owner& or captains not knowing or not following procedures for maintaining stability.
As I read the comments, I was taken aback by the “experts” who judge and have made their conclusions of where to lay blame - gather facts so others in the industry can learn from it, but otherwise, let the men rest in peace without judgement.
With the wife of one of the men, she stated that Captain Jeff would let the men sleep. He had the experience to know of the dangers of icing. First thing I thought, he should have had his men topside de-icing. At the point it becomes a losing battle, dump the pots, regain stability. Bottom line, it was the captain's negligence. A mistake any captain could have made. My deepest thoughts with the family and friends of six very brave men.
I haven't watched this show in years.... geesh R.I.P to the crew I feel on water or air thats something you can't control and a sad way to loose your life
all that does is allow it to break free easily. you still have to bust it up with hammers. that paint just keeps you from having to beat the piss out of your hull removing the ice.
I just ran across this video a few days ago and let me start off by saying ; this was / is so sad that they lost their lives. I've watched some episodes of " DC" here and there over the years ( but not all of them ) I remember hearing about this a couple years ago and I was like WOW! But it wasn't until maybe a month ago when I actually saw the episode on tv late one night & I was like OMG. So I started reading about it and ran across this video and a video of the investigator from the Coast Guard giving the report and was stated that there were different elements that played the part of The Destination sinking. But something there was said that stood out ; it was over loaded for its structure stability. Why was those extra pots on there , that was the captains call. Are the FV's not looked over before the FV can go out to fish /crab or whatever? Who's responsibility is it to make sure that its not. I saw someone say here in the comments that on another episode one of the other captains would have his crew chip off the ice ; why wasn't this done on The Destination. I saw a similar situation happened on another FV that was on " DC" where the FV was overloaded with extra pots that was above what the CC stated said it should've been. Also saw where someone said one of the other captains didn't like for the coast guard to board their vessel ; really... They are there to help & do a job , give you info where you and your crew will be safe . This is truly truly sad . Some of the Captains on that show saying " they dont like for or when the coast guard or like when they board their vessel ; hope they keep that same energy if they ever have to come save them . Adding those extra pots was not worth the outcome, captain decision. 🙏🏾
Modern crab boats don't use an old wooden wheel to maneuver. They use hydraulics. Give me a break. I was a crabber in the late 1970's to mid 1980's. They have wooden wheels, but only for emergencies
how do they normally combat the ice, seems like this would happen all the time and take many vessels out ? Do some pots boats have electric heating elements to melt this condition off....probably costing an arm and a leg to do a melt off? They spray planes down to prevent this, but crabs probably don't get along with Propylene Glycol / Ethylene Glycol.
I remember watching Deadliest Catch and seeing Sig Hanson getting a call from another captain to tell him that the Destination had sank. Sig was good friends with Jeff, the captain of the Destination, and the news completely destroyed him. It was heartbreaking.
yeah or you just watch the youtube video about it, dont lie
me too
I just saw the YT-clip of that.... Then I found this.
I believe it was Casey on the Corneila
I was fishing south of them doing pot cod, we went inside to eat and the Mate told us. Watching those stacks of pots shift in rough weather always makes your butthole pucker, especially when your on top of it.
Just watching the ROV footage, when they find the hull, and your heart just drops out. And it only gets worse when the camera pans over the name, and you know that yeah, it's the Destination.
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Where can I find the footage?
“The destinations last known..” the worst thing you could hear about a vessel your friend is on.
As is always the case, there is more to the story. The NTSB report discusses the lack of a current stability analysis and ballast considerations as well as the icing. The vessel was modified in the 90's and again in the early 2000's adding 3,500 pounds of steel which equal 5 pots. The added bait (beyond the normal bait load) taken on in Dutch equaled another 20 pots. There was also the fact the the actual pots on board weighed 840 pounds, 140 pounds more than the weight used in the stability report which would equal another 28,000 pounds or the equivalent of another 40 pots. So out of the gate, the boat was carrying 65 pots more than the initial stability report authorized when the skipper thought he was carrying 24 less. A effective net increase of 89 pots more than the crew thought they had. That alone was enough to cause problems in a rough seaway, let alone heavy icing conditions.
Then if the icing caused the freeing ports to become blocked water would stay on deck and start to flood the stern tank adding to the free surface effect. Lastly, if the freeboard was compromised, down-flooding into the house would have been the final nail in her coffin. Bottom line is the the boat was loaded past her stability limits. If she had been able to make the transit to St. Paul in good weather and fair seas she would have most likely survived. The added pot load and ice was just too much for her already over burdened hull.
NTSB REPORT: www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1814.pdf
Many will want to place blame somewhere - in the final analysis it rests with me as the master of the vessel. It is my decision whether the boat leaves the dock. It is my decision to put her in harms way with the elements. It is my decision as to how she is loaded. One of the most common phrases we in the maritime community hear is 'the prudent mariner'. The prudent mariner will according to the international maritime bureau, walk on water without getting his feet wet. All is great in theory but in the real world with schedules to meet, fish to be caught, bills to pay and families to feed, sometimes that prudence can wear thin. Not condoning anything. Not blaming anyone. I was not there and I do not know all.
Good info...thanx
Thank you for this. I had a hunch it was something more complicated than just ice. In earlier seasons of "Deadliest Catch" (seasons that take place before 2017), you see fisherman breaking the ice off their boat. They talk about the dangers of ice and how it makes their boat top heavy. It is a problem they knew about, and they knew how to fix it. So the cause of this sinking simply being icing was a bit weird to me.
That's terrifying. To be sleeping or inside of the boat when that happens would be so scary. It would be scary trying to frantically break the ice off the boat as well...I can't imagine how terrifying it would be, out there like that in the middle of the sea, dark abyss beneath and freezing conditions with wind waves crashing around...yea, that is sad.
So in other words human errors lead to unnecessary deaths because ppl rushed how everything ends up bad
@@ScoobyShotU Not having been there and not having personal knowledge of who knew what and when they knew it, I cannot go that far.
I remember watching the episode when Sig got the news about the crab fishing vessel Destination. It was truly sad to see him he looked like he totally wanted to loose it on camera. But he kept it in but you could tell that he was hurting bad. It was a truly sad moment that I'll never forget. I've watched this show on TV since the beginning and it was like someone close to was lost forever. So I'll end this with a God Bless all of the men and women that do that job for a living.I pray that all of you make it home safely every time.
I couldn't stop crying when I saw Captain Sig crying. Men are allowed to cry, it's better than bottling them up. Bless you.
Soap opera As the Sea Turns
@@PahrumpSix people died, shitbird. Read the room.
Weird
@@jckdnls9292ok anti-crying Karen
@@thescarletandgrey2505 anti karening Karen
I am a retired Soldier. I worked with the USCG on a couple occassions.. USCG are very professional members of the armed forces. Very unrated. These men and women are awesome professionals. God bless them
I used to monitor Coast Guard frequencies with my shortwave radio in the 1990s and from Louisiana I had strong signals from Search & Rescue when flight 800 and another plane went down off the east coast and the California coast. I had about 350 to 400 feet of insulated wire strung out through the lower tree limbs going north and another wire going south as an antenna. Shortwave was amazing back then and I was in a very rural area on the backwater of the Sabine River in NW Louisiana and there was no electrical interference.
Another point to the coast's credit,..
Most branches of the United States armed forces are not appreciated until there is a war. The coast guard is at war every day! At war against people in distress being left to their own devices, At war with drug infiltration, At war with illegal immigration. Land, Sea, air, And even on land. A branch of the service where you may well be a hero, without ever firing a shot.
I'm sure their mothers are proud, But I'm proud to have them representing our nation as well!
@@baneverything5580the US Navy shot down twa 800
RIP, Crew of the Destination. Sending hugs to their family and friends may they find peace
Incredible shot of the crab pots with ice completely through them. As an Aussie it's hard to imagine how cold it gets up there.
I'm candian and I blows my mind how bad it gets up there....as a aussie have you ever seen natural Ice?
@@GradeEhCanadian sounds like a weird question but honestly now i think about it, its about as rare as you would imagine. In the south we get ice after particularly bad frosts in the middle of winter. But even that is only enough for a cm of ice on small bodies of water (troughs, ponds etc ). So yeah it's not really something we, or at least I, deal with. The sort of weather you and especially these guys deal with honestly scares me a little, i really do not like the cold
@@rickyarmstrong5945 as a canadian you grow to appreciate and love the cold, with the proper clothing the cold is very beautiful. i wouldnt trade my snow for anything.
@@MikeHawkPEN15 meh cold or hot you would be surprised how quick you get used to it
@@socaljet we get +35 celsius too every year. I still mostly prefer the cold.
Sorry for the loss of the crew an Captain of the Fishing Vessel Destiny.... Rest In Paradise beautiful souls!!
Destination. Not destiny
And captain
@@FLV.USA.CONSTITITION.2ND. many prayers to captain crew and family
I used to watch this show with my parents before they passed away. We all were fascinated with how these guys work in such dangerous conditions.
My female cousin worked on Crab Boats. She passed away this year. My Mom was so proud of of Kendra,and so was I.😢💔🙏
I used to crab and my least favorite part by far was having to knock ice off the boat... sometimes it was never ending. You'd start at the bow and by the time you reached the stern the bow was already icing up and you'd have to start all over... that was hell. Forgetting to tie the fridge door shut and having to clean up an entire fridge worth of food & drink after the vessel rolled hard was also pretty crappy. I only let that happen once!
Why cant you use low voltage electricity to stop ice from forming?
@@thecloneguyz probabaly too costly... I dont know I am no electrician.
@@YoMamasCasa
A 9volt battery can stop ice from forming
Question is - the boat is metal
No ground
Would it even work?
@@thecloneguyz maybe it would work better if there were hot steam pipes that ran along the boats where it gets really icy
I am not an expert but I believe a system powerful enough to deal with the ice we are talking about would be heavy and costly and would require a lot of power too.
I grew up on a fishing boats I've lost many friends that never came home.
The ocean can be peaceful and beautiful. Then minutes later the sea turns
into a roaring monster. Any person that goes to sea for a living are some
of the bravest souls on earth.
Idk about bravest on earth but definitely one of them sir!
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Imagine being in bed, and then suddenly you're in freezing water gasping and trying to get out. Absolutely nightmarish 😮 I remember watching this as it happened. Poor captain Stig Haanson was so distraught that he had to go home and take some time off. Horrible time. Rip to the crew of the Destination. 🚢
In those conditions the body would enter shock immediately as soon as it felt that water. Horrible way to go. One moment you're wrapped up warm in bed, the next few seconds you're submerged in ice cold water and then that's it.
A very tragic story. Her home port deserves a memorial in honor of these brave fishermen.
they have a fisherman’s memorial in almost every port
i’m pretty sure they all have plaques in Kodiak
I honestly find that stupid all they did was die which is sad but they aren't some important part of history
They should change the earth's rotation and drain the sea...humans ego and useless
who's her ?
@@zomkino vessel's are commonly personified as female.
RIP Jeff and the Destination crew. 🙏🏻♥️
Rip my Brothers you are always in my Heart we know the Risk every time we head out to sea but it doesn't make this any easier we lost 6 amazing guys 7yrs ago and it feels like yesterday for me they were friends of mine
My dad sandblasted the destination when he worked at vic ship
So very sad happy they were able to find the vessel though. It's almost been 31 years and they are yet to fine the andrea gail a swordfish vessel that sank back in 1991. Happy the families have a bit of closure knowing what happened.
I remember this being showcased on an early season of deadliest catch.
Your talking about a different boat, this one was sunk in 2017 I think
@@TeejAyBeLLenD yeah 2 different boats both sank in Alaska though
@@TeejAyBeLLenD The Destination and Scandies Rose sank in Alaska. In one of the seasons, Sig Hanson who captains the Northwestern got a call from another captain about the Destination sinking. Sig was good friends with the captain of the Destination. Then we learn of the Scandies Rose sinking in the special episode "Hell for Heroes" which premiered at the beginning of Season 17.
I have sailed the Bering Sea in weather like that when I was in the USN. Imagine standing watch in that weather? Normally the lookouts stood watch in 4 hour shifts. Even in the best foul weather gear we had wasn’t enough for that long. They would cycle guys through on 1 hour off/on. The guy coming in after an hour looked like a frosted statue. So stiff he couldn’t bend his arms.
Oh, man!!!! Thank you for THAT service, Sir!!!
@@jessstone7486 lol Thanks. But when you're a 19 year old kid it really doesn't phase you. It would kill me today!
@@valuedhumanoid6574 that's why they have 19 years old do it right? Hehe may God bless all who sail his glorious seas.
@@knowsmebyname Exactly. I was 18 and thought I was immortal. Nothing can hurt you when you're that age you think
Crabbing the Bearing sea used to be the most dangerous job ever. Now it's right behind being a security guard at Walgreens in San Francisco.
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3 months later and theyre shutting down in san fran 😂
I left in 2005 after 30 years. Went back this year to visit. One big S. Hole
So true. Thanks to liberals
Not even close chump!
Over the years of watching this show you think you've seen it all & you hear the stories of tragedies of years past.. But never was their a ship gone in a instant where no radio mayday or any type of call for help was sent. This was truly a here one minute and gone the next. No warnings or anything. I remember watching Sig Hansen get emotional knowing this ship went down and he lost a good friend. The show really earns its name Deadliest Catch for a reason. Everytime they go out to sea 🌊 there is no guarantee that they will be coming home safely to their families and that's a scary realization for families & friends & fans to deal with... What they do is no joke. This is one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet year after year season after season.
They probably had a better chance for survival on deck with left vest and warm clothing. And life boa ready. I don't know if they left a capable man to watch while every one slept. What was the emergency procedure?
"But never was their a ship gone in a instant where no radio mayday or any type of call for help was sent." BS. We have lost dozens of boats without so much as a word on the radio. The "A" boats sank within hours of each other in the 80's, the Big Valley went down without a word and on and on and on.
Also for the fact that no sos was made by the destination also shows it went down so fast!
I couldn't even imagine. Even if they were all awake and alert there's nothing you can do. RIP to all crew
My step father from Maine was a fisherman and he would come home exhausted. The work is brutal oftentimes and when people buy seafood…they really don’t understand what others go through to bring it to them. For my stepdad, it was in his blood and he knew no other way of life, but he paid a heavy price for it.
How very sad for the families to lose their loved ones. My heart goes out to all those involved with this loss. May your loved ones rest in peace. And those left behind find new hope and peace as well. God and your loved ones are still with you.
May God Bless everyone and the families involved in this terrible tragedy.
Hard to understand how a Captain with that experience simply ignores the ice buildup? I think there was more at play then simply ice accumulation?
there was ice buildup, and i assume a massive rogue wave came out of nowhere and flipped the boat on her side.
It happened extremely fast, that’s why no mayday was called out. One massive 50+ foot wave and flipped the top heavy iced up boat in one instant.
Rouge wave likely had nothing to do with it.
The Captain had overloaded the deck with 200 pots stacked 5 high grossly violating the boat’s stability rules. Then to make things worse he ordered the crew to stack an additional 7,000+ pounds of palleted squid bait on top of the 5th row of pots again completely violating the boat’s stability loading instructions, raising the boat’s center of gravity, and making the boat even more unstable and prone to capsizing. Last, he ignored the extreme frozen spray warnings in effect at SGI at the time, and decided to sail through it with a heavily overloaded boat that was substantially in violation of its own stability loading rules.
That boat sinking was entirely avoidable. But it sunk due to the extreme gross negligence and misconduct of both the boat’s Captain and the Owner!
It’s all in the NTSB report!
Is there a reason why they couldnt have suffered from the same kind of flawed stability recs as the the Scandies? This predated the Scandies and there was more wrong there than measurements and rebuild dimensions and sich. They only took into account ice buildup being similar on both sides with the Scandies stability guidelines and had WAY over estimated the amount of ice that could lead to a catastrophic list...buy inches not centimeters. They didnt catch the mistake until after the Scandies sunk.
@@ivanboesky1520 you seem to be very knowledgeable about this so I'll ask you this question that I'm very curious about.. what would these guy's deaths have been like?
The bigger play was GREED
I couldn’t imagine what these fellas gone through. The crew sleeping too?! Damn… I’m sure as they were tossed off their beds wondering WTF and then realizing they’ve capsized, their goodbyes to one another had to have been the saddest part.
Rest easy Cap’n and crew
Thank you USCG especially to Adam Harris for his dedication
Always have a crew awake to knock off excessive ice buildup. Or install heat tape around the boat, not sure why they don't?
The story on the Scandies Rose was the same , ice build up , heavy seas , high wind . While the boat was listing 20-25 degrees to starboard with the 50 knot winds blowing from the starboard side , decievingly the wind was keeping the Scandies from listing even more , the wind was giving the captain a crutch . The captain decided to seek shelter and turned toward the island , when the boat came around the wind was blowing from the port , instantly rolling the boat over. Had the captain realized the 50 knot winds was the variable that was keeping his boat from rolling.....well who knows. If he didn't turn before letting his entire crew get into the survival suits and on deck ..... Well who knows.
To be fair by the time he turned it was already to late. He really should of sought shelter sooner
@@tomlawrence1335 You can't just "find shelter sooner" the boat was hit with multiple wimwams from various angles back when the national weather service did not even post such reports AND the stability calculations of the boat were incorrectly calculated. It had nothing to do with the crew or Captain's competency, read NTSB and the recommendations posted by the Coast Guard following the event.
@@avvymain I work on boats like this 9 out of 10 times it's incompetent for a cause
@@tomlawrence1335 Great. I am glad because you work on boats you can ignore scientific and investigative facts found by the NTSB and Coast Guard, on top of the two accounts of the survivors.
@avvymain trust me a good captain knows when something is wrong. Mine can tell when we have a 1% list that not even noticeable to most. The captain should of known there were issues if he knew what he was doing
So sad I know that boat and the owner Buddy Bernstein. Larry was the captain. And that boat was not from Seattle it was a Sand Point Alaska boat.
it’s homeport & registration are different
And buddy got a nice fat insurance check!....
Any time you lose someone. That’s just trying support their family. It hits home hard. I also work on boat. But on the inland waterways Ohio, Mississippi River. And I know it’s nothing like Bering Sea. But we also have tragedies over the years. Crew lost and boats went down. I feel for their families. And any maritime member lost their lives. Rip to the Crew and others before.
I thought they were 3x's overloaded with Crab? And they were heading to the processor?
So it was the weight of the Ice from Sea spray and the weight of all their gear/pots that overloaded the boat?
That's got to be awful to sink before you even dropped a pot...
This is high production value but you're lacking content.
It took 8 minutes a doctor and a scientist to tell us they sank because of ice.
Still get a tear rip to the crew 😢😢😢
300,000 lbs of ice accumulation in a matter of a few hours.
wow.
that's absolutely mind-blowing.
Rest in peace guys brave young fishermen putting their lives on the line to take care of family
The engines use sea water for cooling. Wonder why no one has installed a bypass, routing a hose to the deck to use for melting the ice.
You cld feel the pain Sig had getting that call....😔... Absolutely broken 💔🙏
Just watched the perfect storm that's crazy R.I.P TO ALL OF THEM
I hauled clams from a boat that the captain was family to the captain of the Abigail
If it's feasible, maybe covering the crab pots so they don't ice inside would help. Also, since these computer icing models exist, there should be a realtime program to calculate a boat's ice conditions and a warning when ice needs to be removed ,and how to change course to avoid peak ice buildup. RIP!
This actually is replaying on TV right now & it reminded me of when it happened but then I never heard anything else as for what the cause was.
I'm sorry but this "reenactment' is ridiculous. For one thing this was not some ancient ship. The captain was definitely not up there turning some old school wooden wheel to steer the vessel. 2 and probably more importantly a very experienced good captain (which by all accounts he was) is not going to just be riding along with THAT much ice and all of a sudden be like oh crap there goes my boat turning over. I'm sure if he had that much ice he was probably already very worried about the situation they were in and had probably been aware of it for some time. He probably just had some series of events transpire that prevented him from being able to rectify the situation before it reached a tipping point. No way he was just riding along collecting that amount of ice completely oblivious to the ramifications of it.
Thanks for posting what happened with the icing.
my heart gies to the crew and all rhe crea family i uave beennip there and i know what its like my condolences my love and my prayers go to the families my heart is heavy
Deadliest Catch, most hardcore, tough crazy jobs in the world done by warriors. But after seeing them when a loss happens you know they are all heart and thats why we love them. RIP
This is all speculation. Crabbing vehicles are top heavy now bc the commercial industry pushes crabbers to haul more for more profit, making the most dangerous job in the world more dangerous.
I was going to say so what they all overload. The Korean student ferry overloaded every day but the Cap let a rook perform a 15 degree turn when the max was 5. Caps get tired and blink all the time. Like a trucker falling asleep at the wheel.
Rest in peace all lost at sea!This is so incredibly sad😢
At least they didn't suffer long in the freezing water.
probably a few minutes of ice cold terror and desperate attempts to escape but if the doors were all filled up with water it was only a matter of time. 1-2 minutes and she was totally submerged. Probably around 60 seconds
150 tons of ice is insane, it was dangerously overweight and they had no time to react.
It must have been so frightening for them. It has always been my biggest fear, to be on a sinking ship in the middle of nowhere. Mother Nature can’t be tamed or predicted, she does what she has always done and will continue to do so until the end of time.
RIP Destination with captain and crew 🙏🏻
Very sad . Rest in peace to the crew
I've thought for many years they should have anti freezing abilities built into the crab boats to help keep the freezing spray down. They really need to invent something.
I was wondering that too. I mean they can make heated floors in houses, why couldn’t something similar to at least reduce the ice.
That was its final destination RIP guys 🙏
What a heart breaking nightmare.
God bless those dudes!
So sad, especially since there's a chance this could've been prevented. 💔😥 I'm thinking, freezing spray in the forecast? No sleep til the ice is chipped off.
There should have been a balance of caching crab and knocking off ice, and still left time for sleeping. Greedy for money?
As an Engineer, how about running the cooling water from the engines to a spray unit to melt the ice in those situations??
As an Engineer who has tried many ways, it is simply that you cannot generate enough heat to drive off the cold. It permeates through the steel and forms ice around the port holes and watertight doors, on the inside! Some boats run their hot hydro oil through the rails, but it don't go far until it cools off. Engine coolant does not work with the thermostat opening and closing all the time.
@@ConvairDart106 Ok just a thought! I lost 5 mates off the coast of Brasil! I can still see their faces! Boat turned over in it's on net.
@@robertpaul6257 How do you mean, in it's own net? Snagged, or load shift? Or sidehauling too much weight in the cod end?
@@ConvairDart106 Summer storm hit as the were pulling in net. Only 45 ft boat. When those storms hit no telling what direction the waves and wind will come from. We came close about a couple months before!
@@ConvairDart106 they do side haul that combined with with and waves, not much left to say!
Bless those on small ships in great Seas !
I was a Trawlerman for years the sea is beautiful but she is a cruel. Mistress
I hope there is an episode on the boat scandies rose
Same exact thing happened to the Scandies Rose
No, totally different situations. The Scandies Rose was within her stability letter, even though it may have been marginal for heavy ice. They ran into icing conditions which were not properly forecast. That section of Shielikof and points north are notorious for heavy icing conditions coming out of nowhere. I do not think that Gary had the proper information to make a good decision.
I have great respect for men of the sea. Abba Bless.
I heard them say the ship was too deep to dive to. Would they have been able to do any kind of recovery for bodies trapped inside?
I remember that day, My wife's, godmother's son was on that boat
Sorry for your loss!
I think we have to get to the bottom line. Greed. That boat was overloaded to begin with. That falls on that captain. Period.
This is interesting I first herd of this from Deadliest Catch captain Sig Hansen got a call that his buddy Jeff’s boat The Destination sunk
That wife knows whats shes talking about. If it was a bit overloaded then iced up it likely just got hit my too big of a wave and tipped it, once it wasnt level it would have been a challenge to get out
And science"knows way more than the wife does,boat overloaded with pots and frozen ice.
I’m amazed how small these boats are
Why aren’t the crab pots tarped until ready to be launched ?
It has been tried. The problem is the wind and the seas tear the tarps apart and can lead to bigger dangers such as the shredded tarp and lines getting into the wheel and seizing it which then means you are dead in the water. Best thing is avoid heavy icing - when it catches you unaware beat the ice off, run for cover, or dump the pots. Fished the Bering Sea for 15 years and the only ice I wanted to see was in a glass at the Elbow Room.
@@denali9449 The oats plowed thru the ice any way because of greed.
@@rampar77 If I told you that you had 17 days to make your entire salary for a year and you had to work in some kind of adverse condition would you do it or let your kids go hungry for a year?
@@denali9449the “conservationists” and politicians that closed seasons down to just days are to blame for the fishermen and boats being rushed and that’s where stress turns into human error.
@@diachilders3271 In this case the snow crab season ran from October 15th through May 31st. It was not the politicians and conservationists who were controlling the operation of the Trident plant in St. Paul, it was business economics.
I guess the moral of the story is to start ditching crab pots when too much ice is accumulating. The captian has to make that call obviously.
Was tapping ever tried in freezing conditions to prevent icing?
Tarping
The bering sea is one hell of a deadly place even on a good day -
A boat with a full stack of pots full of fuel full of bait and full of ice in a storm is a death sentence for a boat and its crew whats shown here i dont think happened the captain had fished for 30 years before so he had seen it all i think the crew was asleep and worn out and the captain didnt want to bother them and he thought he could make it to his fishing spot and take care of it all then somethings missing here bit we will never know what was key to her demise maybe a deck hand was on wheel watch and its normaly a greenhorn and didnt know to look for ice build up
1 of the reasons why Sig kicked his daughter off his boat since it was her, her husband on board and they had a baby. She let ice accumulate during a storm for an hr before she ran down and woke him, He had to hurry up and toss his pots overboard.
Very sad, very tough job!!
I heard about this sorrowful tragedy the fishing vessel Destination went down with all hands including her captain and his son the sea is unmerciful which is why this is one of the most dangerous death dealing jobs in the world
Ultimately the captains have a responsibility to safeguard their crew. Which means having the knowledge & ability to operate in a safe manner. In the last 2 sinkings it was not the weather that killed these men, but owner& or captains not knowing or not following procedures for maintaining stability.
Definitely
As I read the comments, I was taken aback by the “experts” who judge and have made their conclusions of where to lay blame - gather facts so others in the industry can learn from it, but otherwise, let the men rest in peace without judgement.
Does any one know if after this they started changing anything to make it safer?
what makes things worse, is that the coast guard cant fly in conditions like this.
With the wife of one of the men, she stated that Captain Jeff would let the men sleep. He had the experience to know of the dangers of icing. First thing I thought, he should have had his men topside de-icing. At the point it becomes a losing battle, dump the pots, regain stability. Bottom line, it was the captain's negligence. A mistake any captain could have made. My deepest thoughts with the family and friends of six very brave men.
What happened?😢😢😢😢
You would think they would know about the icing ? I still think there was more to this…
In emergency, the pots should have a quick release mechanism to save the ship from iceing
I haven't watched this show in years.... geesh R.I.P to the crew I feel on water or air thats something you can't control and a sad way to loose your life
So basically the "experts" are guessing what happened
Yep. If you weren't on the boat, you can only guess.
There’s been ice proof paint coatings for years
all that does is allow it to break free easily. you still have to bust it up with hammers. that paint just keeps you from having to beat the piss out of your hull removing the ice.
I just ran across this video a few days ago and let me start off by saying ; this was / is so sad that they lost their lives. I've watched some episodes of " DC" here and there over the years ( but not all of them ) I remember hearing about this a couple years ago and I was like WOW! But it wasn't until maybe a month ago when I actually saw the episode on tv late one night & I was like OMG. So I started reading about it and ran across this video and a video of the investigator from the Coast Guard giving the report and was stated that there were different elements that played the part of The Destination sinking. But something there was said that stood out ; it was over loaded for its structure stability. Why was those extra pots on there , that was the captains call. Are the FV's not looked over before the FV can go out to fish /crab or whatever? Who's responsibility is it to make sure that its not. I saw someone say here in the comments that on another episode one of the other captains would have his crew chip off the ice ; why wasn't this done on The Destination. I saw a similar situation happened on another FV that was on " DC" where the FV was overloaded with extra pots that was above what the CC stated said it should've been. Also saw where someone said one of the other captains didn't like for the coast guard to board their vessel ; really... They are there to help & do a job , give you info where you and your crew will be safe . This is truly truly sad . Some of the Captains on that show saying " they dont like for or when the coast guard or like when they board their vessel ; hope they keep that same energy if they ever have to come save them . Adding those extra pots was not worth the outcome, captain decision. 🙏🏾
Modern crab boats don't use an old wooden wheel to maneuver. They use hydraulics. Give me a break. I was a crabber in the late 1970's to mid 1980's. They have wooden wheels, but only for emergencies
I was in the storm as a nmfs fishing observer that night of the storm. I remember my captain telling me it sank.
They never stood a chance . Those poor men trapped below deck that had to drown with out a chance to even fight
Sad story. All it took was heaps of ice and a rogue wave at a certain angle.....RIP.
how do they normally combat the ice, seems like this would happen all the time and take many vessels out ? Do some pots boats have electric heating elements to melt this condition off....probably costing an arm and a leg to do a melt off? They spray planes down to prevent this, but crabs probably don't get along with Propylene Glycol / Ethylene Glycol.
R.I.P. you were only trying to make a living.
I’ve always wondered why they can’t fish through the spring and summer vs the winter