The Trainer #84: How You Can Measure Voltage When Your Meter Leads Say You Shouldn't
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Probably the most confusing meter reading you'll ever see is voltage when your meter is connected to a ground at both ends.
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I had a kind of epiphany with this video. The negative side of a component in a circuit is the positive side of the next one down and that diagnosing of ground side issues with a "positive" test lead suddenly makes perfect sense. Between your videos and Scannerdanner's ones, I honestly get all the info I could hope for. I just have to get my hands on your books now because books are just the best along with practical experience to reinforce the theory. Thanks so much for taking the time to share all this.
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Pete, this is the clarity of explanation I needed to help with my understanding of voltage drop on the ground side. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
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I had a 240V dryer line that would NOT run my dryer at all. Got an appliance tech out to check the dryer, he said we had a bad motor, spend $350 for a new motor and it still didn't work, he got a 2nd motor because he thought the replacement was bad, 2nd one also did not run ... WTF ...
He got another tech to show up and they could not figure out why the dryer would not run. Eventually they said it was bad electronics in the dryer ...
Purchased a new dryer ... Got it installed and it did not work. HUH WTF ... We called the company and they sent out their tech, he could not figure out why it did not work, then he placed an order for ANOTHER DRYER.
Week later the 2nd NEW IN BOX dryer shows up, plugged it in and NOTHING ... NOW we are pissed.
I checked for power at the outlet and got 240V but the dryer still didn't work. We got our $$ back from the NEW IN BOX dryer and took our "bad" dryer to a used appliance store that does repair. He plugs it up and the SOB works ...
Took it back home and NOTHING .... So at this point is was electrical because it did work at their shop but not ours.
I checked the outlet and got 120V on one leg and 120V on the other leg and 240V between both legs.
Then i said, if we got 120V on each leg and 120V on the other and 240V across the two, WHY THE F is this not working ....
Then the light in my head came on .... Voltage was only half the story. Voltage is just pressure but AMPERAGE is the flow ... Just because i got 240V between the 2 does not mean current will flow if there if a restriction.
So i went and purchased 150 ft of 240V wire, went to the panel and disconnected the 2 hots from the breakers and wired in my temporary 240V line, ran it across the floor and to the dryer room, wired up the temp cord to the outlet and I WILL BE DAMNED THE DRYER KICKED ON AND WORKED ...
After disconnecting the original 240V line that ran to the outlet and measured the 2 hots and the N wire, i had a 500 ohm SHORT between the black and red wire and a 1200 ohm short between the red/black and the N wire ...
This 240V line ran from the panel, down and under the trailer and was just laying on the dirt, actually was about 6 inches below the dirt, it was SOAKED and WET and it was NOT direct bury wire .... SO the wire even though was passing the 240V .. when we tried to push current thru, the wet wire was restricting the current flow and enough to not allow the dryer to run ...
after we yanked it all out, the 4 copper conductors were soaked and the outer jacket was just barely holding on ...
So the water was restricting the current flow. Same as this video, that resistive fault is slowing down the voltage.
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I don't do much work on automotive electrical systems, I work on residential and some light commercial, but this video regarding voltage drop is spot on. one way I've checked for voltage drop in a house, was I measured the hot to ground, hot to neutral, and finally neutral to ground voltage in a receptacle with a heavy load plugged in, such as a 1500 watt space heater. the neutral to ground voltage is the difference between the hot to neutral and hot to ground voltage. A receptacle with a neutral to ground voltage more than about 2 volts is a sign of high resistance connections somewhere upstream, or the wiring may be undersized for the load or length of the run. Sometimes it's necessary to step up to 12awg wiring on a 15 amp circuit, which normally uses 14awg, on longer runs from the panel, to keep voltage drop at the far end under control
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photovoltaic/solar thermal technician: i use to restore classic cars and my first task was to clean all my connections especially the negatives on block and chassis. wish i knew this back in the day. my Hat Off 👍
Edit: watched video in english then added spanish subtitles. i don't know mechanic and electrical spanish expressions. the subtitles did your video justice. in my 60's so i know my proper grammar in spanish but not tech talk
Great information. Thanks for taking the time.
Pete I think you just hit my top 2 list. Almost ALL of that was brand new to me and with how you just explained it I feel as though I've known it for decades. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'm happy that I dropped in. :)
Beautiful presentation as always Pete. And perfect timing, I was just trying to explain this to a greenhorn I met on the road . I will show him this video ! See you at Vision
Awesome! Thanks for commenting.
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Outstanding video, Pete! Very helpful and well explained. Thanks for making it.
Hi Pete, this info I saw it today, but does not grow old. Thanks thanks thanks
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That was great boss - thanks a bunch and good health to you & yours!
Thanks Pete ! EXCELLENT VIDEO , I am starting to get it!!!
Great info! Very useful! I’m a locomotive electronics tech and these types of videos are useful as a reminder of different circuit testing techniques.
very helpful thanks for making these tutorials..finally was able to get my mind around some of the stuff ive struggled with in the past
Been off the tools nearly 10 years, just needed to refresh. Good video, well explained
Excelent explanation!
Maybe the best explanation on the voltage drop on You tube so far. Very easy to comprehence.
Thank you! That means a lot..
Hello Pete,
I have been regularly watching your videos, self educating and using your skills, here is a summary of your lessons: draw test in series with power pak; voltage drop, wire diagram reading, harness tracing, resistance ohms testing isolating wires between relays and fuses, and more, the splices on legs, I am learning and growing thanks to your group. This is what I have worked on to find the shorted wire, not yet found, the amp draw did not disappear yet.
I could not find the harness #18 under the dash. There was a yellow connector with yellow wire under the air duck on center of fire wall in alignment with the shift dead center could not get to it.
What I was able to do, was do parasitic draw test, disconnecting neg bat cable, setting up meter to 20 amps connecting meter neg lead to bat neg terminal ; positive lead to bat neg cable; got and amp draw of 0.11amps disconnecting all connectors one by one until the amp draw disappeared to identify the harness and the harness branches, the amp draw stayed on during the connectors, that were disconnected and reconnected; those to the left side of center console pillar; then to the connectors on the right side of console pillar, including the air condition connectors, all in center console.
Proceeded to the connectors on the left kick panel; then proceeded to the connectors on passenger side heater blower and cruise control module, the amp draw did not disappear, at all.
Proceeded to engine main harness, at the fire wall, with the rubber grommet protector, shaking it by hand, through to the fuse box, to the coils, to the injectors, to neutral safety switch, the brown ground wires by the coils and injectors, all the way to alternator harness and battery cables, the amp draw did not disappear from the volt meter?
The engine grounds, where solid to body, not loose nor rusted.
I was hoping to isolate the harness connector, by disconnecting it, exposing the male pins and the female receptor terminals making the amp draw of 0.11amps disappear; then using alligator clips to test each connector male pin on one side, then using a nail on the other end of alligator clip, gently touching the female terminals, one by one, until I found the wire, that would make amp draw reappear to identify that particular wire, within the harness, No response at all.
I did not disconnect the fuse box to see the spliced wire tracing it back to gauge fuse and branch harness in upper dash. I did not want to remove the upper dash and could see, no connectors, to disconnect, further.
I did not do a resistance test from EFI relay to the open/circuit relay to check a splice in wire diagram under fuse 10 (gauge) . I was not certain on how to proceed; thought about probing the isolated color wire identified by wire diagram, with a wire piercing probe but was baffled by how the colors of these wires changes on there way to ground, from one side to the other side, of the wire legs. Thought about a test light to puncture a hole in each wire with a good ground connection.
Thought about the amp draw possibly on the power side of the circuit; afraid to connect test light to battery positive on a power side puncturing a hole creating another short power to power.
Earlier on, during relay phase, I had tested the ground socket terminals on relays, both control and load side, by connecting test light to positive battery, the ground wire lit up, so they are good, all good, on every relay. The control/ load good too. All relays where tested for resistance on control and load sides and load side for current flow, excellent condition.
This was a bully beat down, against what little skills, I've learned. You guys are tough and brave to contend with integrative circuits, I am evolving towards it, after so much pain.
Respectfully,
Bob Bishop
Another great job explaining how to pinpoint the resistance, and reason for the load drop. !!!!
This clicked for me thanks! I now understand about how some resistance after the load (i.e. on the ground side) can create a voltage drop, thus "stealing" voltage from component earlier in the circuit. Been getting into car maintenance the last few months and electrics is a weak point which I'm having fun learning.
Man you are great at passing this knowledge!!! Thank youuu
Wow, do I feel grateful that I found your tutorials. I know very little about the topic but have always wanted to. I have an old motorhome that I know has ground issues but I need to find them. I love the way you explained this. Made so much sense to me and I felt like I got it. I need to begin putting this into action and testing it now. Thank you so much!
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Very very intelligent lecture. Thank you.
That was just perfect....
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I've been watching you for some time now and most of my basic electrical has come from your "trainer" videos thanks for putting in the time to train newbys to the trade.
Glad you've found them helpful!
great video thanks it is truly simple once you get it but before you do its tough i watch these as refreshers over and over
Thank you sr for a excellent video. I'm attending school to an automotive technician and your videos help me a lot.
Thanks Pete, great teaching!!!
Thanks again Pete, another great video with clear explanation, brilliant stuff!!
Thank you!
as always excellent in how you explain things
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and teaching these videos are making it a lot easier for me to try to understand how some of these readings can be and I have seen other videos on using and oscilloscope which I have recently purchased and I'm trying to learn thank you
Thanks Pete. You do a good job teaching.
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Great video Pete, I love watching these, I’m always learning something new and the rest is a great refresher
Great to hear!
Pete, that's a great explanation. I already understood voltage drop and now understand it a whole lot better, thanks.
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Excellent job explaining this sir.
This was a great explanation! Thank you!!!!
Pete this one class clarified a lot of things for me after 35 years in the Field awesome like all your other Lessons
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YOURE PERSPECTIVE HAS HELPED ME INCREASE MY CONFIDENCE AND UNDERSTANDING WITH WIRING CONCERNS. MY NIGHTMARES ARE MORE LIKE JUST BAD DREAMS NOW.....LOL THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK!!
Thanks Steven! Be sure to go to our channel's home page. We have an entire playlist on electrical troubleshooting there!
great explanation pete.
thermal imagery help tremendously too.
Are you retired 5-0?
I just started watching the Trainor.. Very interesting and informative.. Thank you.
Second Time Watching This, Well Done 👍 👍.. Thank You
Awesome video Pete
Excellent sir enjoyed every bit of your lecture.
I never thought of actually checking the lead after the load like you did.
I always thought you'd be checking resistance from after the load to various points leading to the main ground.
In my S10, I cleaned the original grounds then added more grounds to the firewall and the front core support.
Great explanations. 👍
Ty clear&concise very informative be blessed
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What great Channel Pete. I’ve stumbled across your channel and I’ve been watching it every time i get a chance. You are a great teacher. Thanks for what you do.😊
Thanks for saying so, Michael! I'm glad you find them helpful.
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Great explanation.
Thank you Pete for a great video
Love the explanations easy to follow and is absolutely quality information here. Going to be using this info on my 87 mustang that just doesnt seem right. Battery drain over night but even moreso while driving. Thanks, Glenn Pond
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Very Concise . Even I understood !!!!! Thank you
I appreciate the honesty and.. The dedication you take to pretty much Do about a years course in 15 minutes THE TRAINER. my respect. For the old-school wisdom... Learned something new today.....
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As always great information. Keep it up.
Well explained as usual. Please continue your educational video
Great explication thanks
thanks again for a great video. john
Excellent tutorial
This is the best instructional information to date that I have found concerning vtg drop, thank you!
Thanks! We truly appreciate that.
Very very helpful to diagnose every load circuit.thank you sir
Excellent video, thanks.
excellent information thanks
Great video!!!!! Thank you.
I’m a mechanic and still learn lots from your videos, thanks
Yipee! Finally it has been explained to me in a way I can understand. Thanks Pete!
Sorry for the late reply. 👍
Great explanation
WOW, PETE YOU HAVE REALLY OPENED MY MIND TO UNDERSTAND THIS CIRCUIT TESTING , GREAT INSTRUCTOR, MUCH APPRECIATED 👍
Glad it helped
Thanks for the back to basics. Sometimes it's the little fundamental stuff that takes us down a rabbit hole. I admire your dedication to create better technicians. Today's cars are complex and we are all in this mess together. Lol
Thanks Mike!
Great video sir!
Detailed information 👌
Good refresher.
Very nice and simple away to explain it,,even people with not much knowledge understand that..well done bud..thank and God bless..
Good Morning Pete Meier take care and have a great day 👍
Great tutorial thank you 👍
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
Gold Bless Pit, great informations thank you very much.🙏
👍 another great explination. Thanks
Very nice! I've been a shade-tree "mechanic" since the '70s and never knew this about the ground side circuit (if that's the correct way to say it) measurements. I can hardly wait for the morning sun to arrive so that I can attack the "Lucas Electric" system in my 1972 Triumph with dim lights etc. Thanks!
Soooo very good Pete.
Excellent video and clear explanation.
Thank you!
Excellent work you have terrific communication skills, have a super day!!
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Excellent explanation. Thank you sir
Thanks for your comment!
Interesting, so any type of say low voltage issue is directly related to something like this. This is a solid video and the first one of yours ive seen. really going to pursue Tech School myself aswell.
And all the hundreds of videos and dozens of friends I've had try to explain this to me it finally clicked with your explanation thank you so much troubleshooting a battery draining issue on my 1969 Ford f250 that I cannot figure out but this is definitely going to help I replaced the alternator the voltage regulator the battery wiring harness I'm just trying to figure out if it's possibly the starter solenoid even though it's new I know the remanufactured ones are often crap so I'm going to use this information and knowledge you just taught me to go home and test it out thank you so much!
Check out our main channel page and look for the electrical testing play list. I have a few videos on parasitic draw testing that will help you make short work of your issue.
Good explanation.
Really excellent!
very interesting, you are good teacher.
Thanks again for another excellent video.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
Gracias Orlando tremendo seminario de estos simples detalles basicos podemos resolver inumerables situaciones mas rapidamente de nuevo muchas gracias..
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Big help. Thanks 👍