Air Filter Comparison - Dry Element VS Oiled 2 Year Gunk Build Up Test
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- This time on the AutoEdits Jeep Wrangler How To upgrade video series... I'll show you the direct comparison of the gunk build up inside of the throttle body on the Jeep after two years of the "oiled style" drop in air filter and 2 years of the Delta Force Cold Air Intake with a "dry element style" filter.
I was pleasantly surprised by the dramatic difference between the two.
Now it's a good idea to understand that going with a dry element style wont save you any money since it can only be cleaned a certain amount of times before being replaced and the oiled filter can be cleaned and re-oiled for a much longer time. I did get two years out of both the filters in the jeep and Dodge Ram truck before replacing them in this video.
That is acceptable to me.. for the time being.
Plus, I do feel a bit snappier throttle response with the dry elements and a slight improvement in fuel mileage.
Here's a link to the cold air intakes that I installed years ago by Flowmaster... I've been very happy with them but being honest... I believe there are a lot of good options on the market right now so pick one that looks appealing to you!
www.holley.com/brands/flowmas...
Here's the link to the replaceable filter:
www.holley.com/products/fuel_...
Here's the video of the Cold Air Intake installation on the Jeep:
• EASY and FUN Jeep Cold...
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So much greatness...I always forget about my air filters. Try and change them every other oil change but I have definitely missed a few times. Loving the sound of the oil less filter as an option for just that reason....thank Jason!!!
Thanks dude! I just remembered that email for the video idea... I'll get back to you soon!
I know you are a busy man....when ever you have time is all good 😀
I'm really surprised by the result. I thought it was going to be the exact opposite.
Thank you sir. Have a nice day.
You sir... have a nice day as well... thank you for the support!
always learn something new and always appreciate how well you explain stuff Jason!
Glad to hear it!
Woot, thanks for the follow up video on your CAI Jason!
I'm running a Oil-less CAI pod filter in my Daily Driver 3.7L Ford Sedan and I love the extra intake noise and the improved throttle response. Driving on the highway the intake temps are much lower then with the factory filter box. Just like your CAI install video showed.
However I found that in my Bronco the K&N oil'd drop in replacement filter was a much better deal. A pod filter in the Bronco lowered my MPGs and intake temps were much much higher. But I have noticed a major difference in how dirty the throttle body gets. The Oil'd filter does junk up the butterflys much quicker. But my MPGs are better with the K&N vs a stock style dry filter.
Fascinating to hear about the Bronco!
I didn't even think about my pre filter being restrictive....thanks!
It's not bad and still serves a solid purpose... I'm just going to run it a bit less!
Happy to see some truck content from time to time Jason.
More to come!
@@AutoEdits Sounds good Jason.
Wow! Thanks for this. I've been running an oiled K&N in my 2013 JKU... I'll now be switching
I didn't mean for the video to seem like the K&N was bad in some way... I think the take away is to be really cautious and use a very small amount of oil on that one and cleaning the throttle body should be part of the routine maintenance. The performance was good. I have been really happy with the dry elements though!
@@AutoEdits oh, no worries. I didn't take it that way. I've been happy as well... it's just, to me, that a dry filter adds that extra layer of caution. I had never thought about the oil getting sucked in
Great video, keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Great video mr edits ! Informative !
Appreciate it!
Thanks J Money.... I have a drop in K&N and their is a little oil build up. Maybe a little less oil next time 😂. Your the man bro 💪👊
HAHAAAA!!!! I really like J Money!
Great video my friend
Thank you!
The AEM Brute Force dry washable filter has been in my H3 for over 10 years and 190k miles. Still looks mint. Wheeled the crap out of it. Mud. Water. Rocks. Sand. Snow. Dry washable is the only way to fly!
Great to hear and appreciate hearing another brand and suggestion for other viewers!
Hey great video!! Keeping that throttle body cleaner is a useful benefit. Keep on Jeeping!!
Thanks! Will do!
I used an oiled K&N for a couple of years and it always required a removal of the throttlebody to clean the idle air bypass passages, so I ditched it. Yes, the throttle response was better when it was super clean, but I run in dust and clearly way too much was getting through and gumming up my throttlebody. I went back to dry 8yrs ago and have never regretted it. I haven't had to clean out the idle air bypass since, just the normal throttle blade cleaning and it was trivial. Won't go back.
Similar experience here.
Good video 👍
Thanks 👍
I have a K&N FIPK in my toyota truck with a 3RZ engine that i dynoed with and without the pre filter to see what difference it makes, it made maybe half a horsepower difference and when you consider that after a few pulls heat plays a big factor in the dyno readings we determined that it made no difference at all, so i use it at all times
Cool to hear.
I feel modern elements flow good enough that oiled filters just aren't worth the work. Plus the side effect of getting oil into the throttle body.
I'm thinking the same after this experiment!
I found muddy stuff on my maf sensor after using k&n oiled filter i immediately switched to afe
@@Lilp002 not arguing or anything but I watched a how it’s made video and found out k&n bought AFe. They make em under the same roof RIGHT next to each other and on some of the finishing lines they had them less than 6” apart. But I was originally thinking what you said. But now I just don’t know.
I have a AFE Magna Force dry CAI with a Pre-filter as well, and was just thinking of removing it and putting it in the cab for the same reason. Great minds think alike... (Figure of speech, I'm just a regular cigar kinda guy.)
HA!
@AutoEdits Well, that was yesterday... When I got home, I started the vehicle to let it warm up. As it was running, I popped the hood to take off the sock, which was still new out of box (only drove it once with it). I expected to see it being sucked against the filter, it wasn't. So couldn't affect flow at all, it doesn't seem...(???) So will be putting it back on here in a bit. I figure it's extra protection with no downside.
Very interesting! Never thought about oil in the throttle body. I've always run oiled filters in the past, but the filter cleaner & oil expense probably equals the cost of paper filters over time. Looks like an AM air intake system with a paper filter might be the way to go.
It's not for everyone and I'm being told that some people just put a very small amount of oil on those other style with better results as well.
I enjoyed the comparison between the two because I've had the K&N oiled element in my Jeep but now have a dry cold air intake like yours. Just a quick tip I've seen in some other videos about cleaning the throttle body, you really should remove it from the engine before cleaning it because if you don't your flushing that cleaner and the dirt down into the intake which is not good and the back side of the butterfly also needs to be cleaned.
That is a really great suggestion... thanks!
Just want to make a point about air filters. Im not being critical of this video as it does make a good point about air filter performance. Generally people think oil filters are the most important when it comes to the life of an engine and they are important. But...air as we breath is about 20-21% oxygen and about 80% inert gases. Air fuel ratio in a well tuned engine is about 14-1. 14 parts oxygen to 1 part fuel which means a gallon of fuel needs approx 972 cubic feet of oxygen for combustion, which means it needs approx 4860 cubic feet of air at atmospheric pressure passing through the air filter for complete combustion. 4860 cubic feet is equal in volume to approx 36000 gallons of air per 1 gallon of fuel. Im no scientist or automotive engineer. these calculations have came from years of research on my on. I use to tune and race small engines when they all had carburetors and they were a headache to tune esp after high compression pistons, race camshafts, head porting, headers, racing manifolds and the such. Im also sure someone will bust my theory on all these numbers, but the facts remain.....It takes a tremendous amount of air flow to combust a gallon of fuel. My point...change or service your air filter often, REAL often. Your engine will thank you!!
Did I mention I have a pipe. Lop you got my attention haha
So glad you appreciate my silly sense of humor! Thanks for the comment!
if in alot of mud (NW) you need a pre-filter on exposed oiled filters else as mud bakes underhood it draws all the oil out of your filter quickly leaving you with if'y filtration when you need it most - when I hear someone say "k&n ruined my engine" this is what I think of ... when in Moab the pre-filter was also red every 2 days with dust so I just rinsed it out , I still use oiled filters on my 4.2L HO but do like what I saw today - wondering how dry elements handle caked mud now - great video !
I have been watching your Jepp videos a lot recently, and I LOVE them! Then noticed you have a Dodge too in this video. If you don’t mind me asking, what year and model is your truck?
Keep up the awesome and super entertaining videos! Wish you the best!
Howdy and thanks... here's a video about the truck th-cam.com/video/AZhnbo-1Q18/w-d-xo.html
Checking for new videos
Working on one this week! All new suspension for the Jeep.
@@AutoEdits Righteous! 🤘🤘🤘
Jason love your videos, and your personality. Always one of my favorite channels. I have seen those pre filter covers advertised as helping to not let water into the intake. What are your thoughts? It certainly seems that they do allow a bit of liquid to pass. Judging by the way you run hard in very dusty diverse environments, I think maybe a dry element air intake might work well on my dail driver JK that sees mainly highway miles with dusting mainly during winter months from dried up salt and sand brine mixtures up here in the northeast. I always change air filters with a quality WIX or Mopar. Thanks again for the great videos!
I change out filters once a year.
I do think that pre-filter did help when I was running deep water and I'll run them for sure when rain hits!
@@AutoEdits copy. Thanks for the reply. 👍
Ram Johnson and Johnny Sins could be related 🤔
Side note, nice mention on the water sock. Didn't think about MPG or power but if they block water it must be somewhat restrictive. Although coming to/leaving work is through a dust lot and winter on the highway leads to excess water. I wonder if I should just keep it on since the jeeps filter is right by the opening in the front panels?
Ha! In the Jeep you should be good in regular rain but I’m going to try it without for a bit and keep it in the glovebox.
Thanks for showing the difference between wet and dry air filters that's great info. Is Ram Johnson getting close to a Locker for the Chrysler rear axle ??
Thank you... yeah it's on the list!!!
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Howdy!
Dirty throttle body is exactly why I stopped using oil filters. I had one in my brand new 300c many years ago. After one year I removed it from the throttle body. Just like this video. It was very dirty. Never again.
A pipe. Thought it was Alister Cook for a moment. 🤟
I had to look that dude up... lol... Thanks dude!
You should look into an oil catch-can. I’ve seen some DYI versions done for about 30-40 bucks. Might be good for your engine cleanliness effort!
There are full kits that have a bracket and everything but they are a bit more pricey.
I hear you, but why? Did you see what the throttle body looked like after 2 years? Very clean if you ask me... don't know what more to expect from that.
Over extended use was there a significant difference going from just the drop in oiled k&n to the oiled or dry CAI? Thanks for this video, it's always cool to see unbiased real world testing
Being honest... the most noticeable gain was from stock to the drop in K&N and then only modestly more improvement from that to the CAI but I did feel it in throttle response and it did get better fuel economy. The big difference was the dramatic reduction in gunk in the throttle body. Some suggest I might have used too much oil on one of my cleaning and re-oiling... maybe... but I didn't have to do anything but blow out the dry element and the throttle body was amazing clean after two years.
@@AutoEdits Thanks for the response. I've been trying to decide if putting a CAI is worth it or not bc I currently have a drop in k&n filter
@@codyr4816 Like I mention in this video, it's a fun install and offers a bit of performance ... I could even recommend getting the K&N cold air intake... looks like a very good kit!
I thought the pre-filter was "hydrophobic".. it repelled water a little bit and helped during heavy rains or even a little on those deep water crossings.
I think you're right... it does help resist water a bit and fine dirt!
Heres another thing, a dry air filter is far more likely to choke the engine out if it gets a bunch of water in vs an oiled filter. Also standard air filters are much better at keeping dirt out of your oil!
What spray was that to clean the throttle body? Do they make a specific product for that?
Howdy dude, that's the Lucas cleaner second on this page on the amazon store www.amazon.com/shop/autoedits?listId=2V9OUZO8OUU3D
Ram Johnson lol
Glad you appreciate that...LOL!!!
I use warm water with simple green in it to wash my dry fiters
Interesting... thanks so much for the tip!
@mk319mod0 That is really helpful... I'll try it with the ones I took out!
interesting, i dont do nearly as messy stuff with mny car so a dry intake is probably my best option
I missed your assistant Pinto 😂
She was busy taking a nap...lol
@@AutoEdits well, that`s excused 🤣🤣
I thought you would do a snorkel air intake.
I keep thinking about that but they're a lot of work to install ... LOL
I stopped using oiled filters when I got tired of them busting my MAFs
Yep!
what issues are you usually encountering with busted mafs?
the butt dino never lies
LOL... it can get tricked sometimes... but it wants what it wants!
Is there any "Dusting" on the inside of the intake tube going to the throttle body?.. the reason why I ask is because I couldn't find an air cleaner other than stock Mopar that keep the super fine dust out..
It was completely clean just like I showed the inside of the throttle body, air temp sensor and inside of the air filter itself.
@@AutoEdits that's good, the parts store generic replacements are the worst..
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Put it down!
Is there a snorkel add on for that intake?
Not at this time.
So with throttle body cleaner, you simply spray it in there and don't wipe it off? I know it dissipates for the most part, but just the thought of a liquid in my intake makes me cringe.
Legit concern... I started it right afterward and it seemed fine.
Is it safe to assume you were washing and oiling your filter properly, not over oiling and let it dry completely?
Yes.
god my air filter looks.. like its been through WW3 and 4... your replacing a filter that looks damn near new o.,O
why don't you build a better retaining box for the filters?
Hey there... because I don’t want to.
@@AutoEdits lol I figured that much. Thanks
Thumbnail got me to click..or push, I suppose. ☝️
Looks like a warm air intake.
Hello,I am the manufancture of LED headlights and like your video. Would you be willing to test them? Please reply to me if interest.
No thanks.
If you got oil all the way to the throttle body. You over oiled your filter
This is a strong possibility
Never ever ever take an air hose to.air filters you will cause very fine tears in the filter material.
Really the only real "cold air intake " Is a snorkle
I make that very clear in this video th-cam.com/video/NlX-3b7gyFU/w-d-xo.html ... please give it a watch.
@@AutoEdits I did, but commented before that part of the video.. I wish parts manufacturers would be accurate on their labeling..
First view lol
You got it!!!
No offence, but are you a tweeker?
All natural.
Jackass
It's better to ask straight up than assume someone has a problem.