Comparing Marshall Studio Vintage to the ORIGINAL!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I compare a 2019 Marshall Studio Vintage half stack to a 1973 Marshall JMP 50 (model 1987) half stack. I'm using a 2008 Gibson Les Paul R9.
Gear:
2019 Marshall SV20H
2019 Marshall SV212 (Celestion V-type)
1973 Marshall JMP 50 Lead Model 1987
1971 Marshall 4x12 Model 1960A (Celestion G12M25 75Hz T1221 Pulsonic)
2008 Gibson Les Paul R9
2008 AKG C414BXLII Condenser room mic
1960s Beyerdynamic M160 Ribbon close mic
API 3214+ Mic Preamps
Thank you! We need 1987x, JMP and SV20 thru same 4x12 cab ❤🏁🤟
Small tube heads are super comfy, and the SC and SV series from Marshall are no doubt some of the coolest mini heads you can buy now, especially for the price (in europe at least). With that said, the good old big guys are imho another sport, and especially at high volumes you can definitely hear the differences.
SV20H was ordered today. Gonna be a rockin little box!
Good choice! I’m super happy with mine. I haven’t sold my old Super Lead, but I use the SV20 more. Cheers!
Waiting for the 20SV getting tested with that 412. In this clip, with those configurations, the 1987x just destroys the 20SV, but, as said, I would be surprised if not a large portion of delta comes from the cab
That was my take as well. Will be interesting to hear the Sv20 through the better cabs. Also, not a fan of the price of the Studio Vintages in the states.
Agreed!
I ran my Origin 20H through a 412 and it sounded huge on the 3w setting. It's different from the SV20, but if my Origin sounded great through a 412, I don't doubt that the SV20 will too, if not more so.
I play an SV20 into a broken-in 1960B cab with green backs from the 1980s from an old JCM900 stack and it brings so much warmth and soft dynamics to the tone. Really rounds off that sharp harsh plexi sound vs the 2x12
I look forward to hearing both heads in the same cab. Sonically speaking, they were pushing out the frequencies but the speakets were filtering alot out. I bet that small head would breath alot better with 4 low watt speakers to push.
Love the sound of both but the 1987x with 4x12 is glorious. I have SV20H and SV212 and wonder what it would be like with better replacement speakers so I can't wait for Friday's episode.
Loving your work
I bought the origin 2-12 and upgraded to a V30 and Creamback. It rocks with my SV head
I ran my SV20H through my Marshall 1960AHW 4x12” cab. Sounded amazing, and as a bonus it didn’t pulverize my soul.
Thank you for taking the time to do this comparison. Also, you have one hell of a collection Johan! Ive been watching your videos for a while now, and I am amazed by the gear you have! You are a great custodian of these vintage pieces. And I am thank full that you share your collection with the world. I purchased an sv20h. I was hesitant, considering the pcb kindof built amp this is. Im always weary of moderen cheaply build gear. But..... you know what... im happy with the amp it sounds great and it just re confirmed to me, you cant listen with your eyes. Thank you johan! Keep up the great work, .cheers
Power and size can be hard to compensate for and there are differences, mainly in the lower range as you mentioned. I think the SV stack holds up surprisingly well to the 1987/1960, also in dynamics and play/pick sensitivity.
You made a very good summary of the tonal differences, describing why this Stuido range is so popular. Obviously, and luckily, there is still competence in the Marshall company.
Really looking forward to hear the SV through your different cabs. That's also useful for us SV20H owners, looking for alternative cabs or speakers.
Thanks Bengt, See you on Friday!
Power and size can be hard to comensate for - that’s what she said last night…
Well , the Monster Amp from 1973 is in my opinion pretty much unbeatable. I have the SV20 Head and it is a great amp, but i did not like the SV cabinet , so I went for the Marshall 2061cx 60 watt 2x12 cabinet with G12H- 30W Greenbacks . It truly gives the SV 20 Head full justice, and another level of sonic rock`n`roll power.
I have that exact set up as well, head, speakers and cab, love it.
Good call on the cabinet. IMHO 2061cx is one of the best. 1966 or 1965 would be great choices to pair with any of the 20w Marshall heads as well.
Same! Great choice.
Yeah the SV sounds great through my cabs. Im recording it now. Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn See you friday then !
I have the studio vintage and just like in this video, it feels restrained compared to fixed bias amps. The cathode bias is really annoying because my whole thing was trying to get the brown sound and that requires a fixed bias and variac down to 70 volts or so (not 90 like everyone thinks). I plug my SV20 into a variac and it sounds exactly the same as not having it in a variac. I also have fixed bus Marshall’s and thanvariac makes a huge difference when getting into the 80 volt down to 65 volt range. The JMP 50 watt in this sounds so much more open, if that makes sense; more aggressive, louder, boosted.
Glad to see you keep pumping out new vids, Johan!
Fantastic job as always 👍
Thanks!
Glad you are covering these. I'd love to hear it compared to the 1959 and 1987 through the same cab, just to see how close the actual head is. That's what is most interesting to me when thinking about buying one.
I will showcase the amps in a comping video
@@JohanSegeborn Looking forward to it as always!
Both sounded great. The speaker in the '73 was more pleasing to my ears, but I wouldn't kick either out. God bless and rock on 👍🎸😎
Thanks, glad you like it!
Brilliant sound from that SV20. That’s amazing bang for the buck. Marshall have nailed this series.
Thanks Jon! They have indeed
Great comparison. I think they would have sounded closer if the 20 watter was played thru a 212 with Greenbacks. Can't wait for Friday. 🤘
Glad to hear it!
I love your split screens.
Thanks, really good to hear that!
Very cool! I would find it really interesting to see close you can actually get by tweaking the knobs but also with tone matching software for sure!
I always love all your videos but I can't wait to hear the SV through the your 412s
Glad to hear that!
Wow, your 50 watt jmp sounds great. Both amps sound good, I think it's the cabinet making the biggest difference here. Can't wait to hear the 20 watter into a bigger cabinet
Thanks!
looking forward to Friday on the cab comparison as agree the upper mids are a bit much on the SV20 - good series!
Great to hear that, see you then!
Thank you for this comparison! I’m looking forward to more with the SV20. I currently have two SV20 heads and the one SV20 combo. I wasn’t a fan of the V-types. I replaced them with some ‘72 Pulsonic cone Greenbacks and the tone is exactly what I have been looking for.
Looking forward to all these SV vs X vids Johan. I dig the SV and the Studio Classic. They don't have the sack their Granddads do/did, but they are more practical for most of us.
X vids?
Close enough in tone to me that the price of the SV20H is a winner for me.
Bought my lad an SV20 combo, it's really surprised me as to how good these things are. Well done Marshall
Great video, Johan. It would be interesting to see how you dial in this amp (in terms of EQ and volume settings) compared to the 1987 etc. Looking forward to more content on this amp
Thanks, glad to hear it!
The smaller head is fun but the original is glorious. Could be the cabinet as well.
Thanks Ian, the cab is really important indeed
Great job brother! I agree it's not a substantial difference. They both sound like classic Marshalls!! The 1987 has a bit more "growl" but it's also twice the power and has larger transformers. But again, the SV20 is a great "real" Marshall. I have one now for two years and love it!
Thanks brother!
thank you johan, i just bought an sv20h thanks to you, end of the search for me. spot on marshall classic tones. 🙌🏻. 🎉
Great playing! Biggest differences are from the cab! Cabs and speakers make such a massive difference in what frequencies are accentuated or cut.
Damn that little amp rocks but in a different league than it’s big brother. Doent have the body. Great work Johan!
Id love to hear both through the same cab.
Wonderful.........I am looking forward to hear you playing this modern day classic thru a Strat (Which is an all time Classic) 🤣🎸
I thought both amps sounded great, but the JMP 50 is where it's at!! It sounds amazing!!
Thanks!
Cool comparison, Johan! I agree that the SV20 proved to sound better than I expected it to, compared to the ‘73 JMP. The SV20 really held its own. I’d say I prefer the tone of the ‘73, for sure, tho. Man, I’m looking forward to seeing how the SV20 sounds through your bigger 4x12’s! And I’d love to see how the SV20 sounds thru the matching vertical 2x12 with greenbacks or H30’s (especially some 55hz examples). Thanks for the cool videos Johan!! Love it!!
Thanks my friend, Those topics are definitely coming up!
The JMP just has the power to blow your socks off! No comparison.
I had to mod my SV to have a switch with a different bright capacitor. It was painful at low volumes
It's an excellent exercise Johan, and please keeps this type of comparison workout coming ... Thanks!
They both sound great. Really enjoyed this one. Looking forward to your upcoming tests. This is a fun amp, glad to hear your thoughts on it. Keep rocking Johan!
Thanks Isaac!
The new one sounds boxier and darker. The vintage amp sounds more open. Both sound really nice! Thanks Johan!!
Thanks!
The JMP still has the mojo!
It does indeed!
The 100W JMP tones are unbeatable. Big respect for the SV but the old one is simply fantastic.
Let's not forget the old amp into the new cab and new amp into the old cab test 😄The V Type is a satisfying speaker in the Greenback realm, but by design is also slightly harsher than the traditional Greenback (I don't own one of those, but I compared the V Type to a G12M Heritage).
I preferred different amp/cabs combinations at different points of the video. That tells me both amps are objectively good delivering results and you would just choose one based on preference.
That’s comping up too soon
That ‘73 is my dream amp. Sounds wonderful. It’s so hard to compare when you factor in power, speakers, cabs, price, rarity, tubes, etc. in my opinion the song is more important than the gear (assuming similar gear).
Really looking forward to the cab video. I run mine through a darker sounding cab and find it sounds closer to the big boys that way
Cheers!
Gracias por la review, espero el video del viernes, seria buenisimo escucharlo en una caja 4x12. Abrazoo!
Gracias!
An analogy you could make would be that the '73 JMP 50 is like the raw, unfiltered older brother, while the studio vintage is like the wide eyed, clean shaven younger brother. Those early 70s jmp's are killer, and I love how raw they sound! But the studio vintage certainly has its merit, and was a really good choice for marshall. Yeah it doesn't really sound that much like the originals, but it has a much more classic marshall sound than other modern marshall amps.
Curious about the cabinet video, because I also don't have the sv can. I actually bought the origin 2x12 can and put 55hz greenbacks in it. HUGE difference. Night and day.
I also put a full compliment of Mullard tubes in mine and that also was night and day difference
Sounds great Johan! I’d love to hear these compared though the same cab to see how close they are!
Sounds like they did a nice job with the new amp creating that style and feel. I feel like the small cab is lacking that thicker warmth of the older 4x12. Both sound good tho. Cheers 🍻
Amazing, Johan. I love what you do. Great little amp.
Thanks, glad to hear that! :-)
I have the SC and SV combos but still love my vintage modern 2266. Big full sounds and dynamic.
I guess for one, the studio vintage is a lot tighter and has a smaller sound. The original has a lot more punch and is a lot more aggressive. I guess for lack of a better term, the 1973 marshall just has more balls. The new one still sounds great, especially when cranked. I think you could get the studio vintage to sound more old school by sticking a boost pedal or a boss eq pedal to boost it. I appreciate your comments on the differences between the 'in the room' sound and the recorded sound.
Thanks!
Great series, Johan! I look forward to all SV/SC vids you may do.
What I’ve noticed with my own SV 2x12 cab is it lacks a little something (and sounds a little muffled) and would very likely benefit from being a partially open back.
For an experiment I used my twin reverb/speakers as an open back cab and the amp (SC20H) came alive with more bass and open sounding. It changed the frequencies for the better. Different speakers, of course, so that must be considered. However, all open vs closed back demos I’ve listened to share that quality I observed with my own.
I plan to make a new open back panel for mine to get that larger less restricted sound from the SV cab.
Also, the SC20H does a pretty good SV20H plexi sound if you set it right.
Very good comparison! They both Sound very similar to me.
Thanks Chris!
Love it!!!
Those V-types don’t do it justice!
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Thanks
Hi, Johan!
Old school of amps will rull!😉 I am strongly believe in. See you!
S.
See you Siegfried!
Thanks. It would have been nice to hear both amps through the same cabinet and microphones.
*lol* Ijust saw that you already did a video with that comparison (th-cam.com/video/36GD_D4TYn4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NPecdgZLLoJ5gA5Y).
The SV20 sounds much better in that video.
You should take your old Marshall head unit into the SV 212 modern speaker cabinet and hear that !
I'd like to hear this comparison re-done with the same cab!
The tones are close but you’re right about it being colder recorded. I think they’re great
SV20 with 2061CX Weber Silver bell & G12H30 = Glorious !
I'm also fortunate to own both sv and sc20 heads together with their old 100 watt counterparts. imho they did an amazing job. hard to beat. The only thing one can't get by is the fact the big ones just have a certain 'authority', which I found is the best way to describe it. The sv20, not to be underestimated... you need an attenuator to get to the goods hehe. but once you are there it is pretty impressive. then put an sd1 in front, and my emg81 RG brings me into shred zone... incredible little beasts.
I mean, the SV20 is not what the JMP50 is, but man, it's absolutely ripping. Might be the cabs that make me think that way. Anyways, regardless, both are totally insane !
Glad to hear that, I love both too
I’m looking forward to Friday, I suspect the cab will be a big factor.
As someone who has both the SC20 and the mini jubilee I’d love hear a similar comparison with these 2.
Cheers Chris
New amp seems like it has a lot of the character of the ‘73, but it feels like the cab is a major factor. Would love to hear the new amp into the old 4x12. The ‘73 sounds glorious.
The JMP is clearly fuller and bigger, but the SV20 rig gets well within the ballpark of that tone. I’m betting when I click on the Friday video I fully expect that SV20 through the better cab will be so much better.m
I think the cabinet makes a large difference here because the character is similar at least 🙂
It does indeed
Exactly.
For me the best Marshall in production…
I feel more airy than 1987, maybe less headroom but there are a difference because the cab and speaker…
But every comments can’t explain your smile, for me that’s all…
Thanks for share….
Pd: I would like the comparison with 1987x…
Thanks! It’s a good amp indeed
Sounds a little bassier and subdued compared to your 1973...I bet it will sound better when you put it through your old 4x12's on Friday... looking forward!
I really enjoyed this video, I recently purchased the Sv20 and running with an EVH 2x12 cab with the celestion anniversary speakers. I would also like to pick up a 2061cx. What do you think? I enjoyed your comments at the end.
Thank you
Great video!
Not as much difference as you would think.
Why didnt you play both heads through the same cabs?
Excellent job Johan! SV holds it's own. But in a mix I think the V type is going to get lost. It's dull, no presence. Looking forward to the SV into some H30 55hz.
Glad to hear it, that’s coming up
I think a lot of that tone difference in the recording has to do with those speakers. The fact that you felt it sounded better in the room makes me all the more curious.
Great video, thank you! I also own a SV20 with the 212 cab. I put g12h-75 heritage speakers in it, which I’m very pleased with. I would be curious to hear how these compare to other speakers in this cab. :)
My God! The Sound of That JMP 🥹
I think you kind of compiled a great scientific program with these permutations ;) I like. To me, owning already a 1987x, I have to say that I had a completely different "in room" experience then the one you describe. I found the SV20H saturated too early, not punchy enough, and the cab is not holding up to any of my 4x12 cabinets, no matter if with greenbacks, creambacks or the "harsh" stuff from the 80ies ;). I tried get some of the EVH tones out of it and failed badly. that might be reasonedd in my incompetence but usually even then there is a grain of truth in it. Keep on rockin my friend ..
I compared my SV20H to my 1987x using a cab sim (Two Notes CAB-M). I can dial in all the knobs the same, but I have to patch the SV20H the other way around to get almost the same sound. I do notice that I have both volumes a lot lower with the 1987x through a 4x12" when playing with a band or recording, compared with the SV20H and a 2x12". Both great amps though!
That jmp sounds like a Marshall. The v speakers sound really shrill. I bet if you put the studio amp on a good cab it sounds much better. Maybe a 1936 with v30’s? Thanks for the video Johan🙏🏼
I think the Sv20 is geat! I never liked attenuators and my old 77 Superbass is getting too old and loud for gigging unfortunately, so the SV20 is a perfect gigging amp for me. The 100w JMP still reigns supreme in an A/B comparison (I always preferred 100 watters both in sound and feel), but the SV20 is something that isn't just "close enough", but the real deal in a smaller format! :D
Just recorded an album with both and they compliment eachother really well, but I always run mine through a 4x12, have to try the 2x12 if I ever get the chance though :)
Great work as always, Johan!
Cheers :)
Gillian, I have to say the best sounding Marshall I've played is an original JCM 800 100w. I owned a 50w and 100w Plexi reissue, ended up selling the 100w and kept the 50w and modded it with an extra tube (to hotten it up a little) and had a master dial installed. It is a great sounding amp but just not as full sounding as the JCM 800 100w. I'm looking and dipping my toe into the Plexi line once more with the CV20. size and weight are good for me just need a way to control the volume without spending $1000 on a brake.
shaking camera really makes you feel the drive :)
Great comparison Johan ! Cheers
Cheers Mitchell!
Also looking forward to different speakers in the SV 2x12.
Coming up too! :-)
Nice demo. The Gibson pickups are where the harshness is coming from. And their harness/hardware too. I don't get that harshness with my SV20 since I'm using original 50's vintage magnet wire in my replica LP that has all correct hardware and harness, the Gibsons don't have. Plus my own replica PAF's and our Four Uncles ABR1which smokes all the bridges out there except Gibson vintage originals. Am not a fan of modern Gibson LP's, they look great but looks are just looks, and they fail to come close how the originals were. You proved that with your great video comparing orginals with all their "reissue" LP's after Gibson stopped making them. And their first re-entry LP was the truly awful LP Deluxe which I bought brand new in about '70, Got rid of it quickly too. The big Marshall has better headroom then the SV20, but I love my SV20, and its one of the best amps they've made in decades in the small wattage arena.
Really enjoyed it, Johan. I really think a lot of the harshness can be removed by a simple mod. I know everyone can’t do that but if you have the option, it’s really much closer to a vintage amp. Dave Friedman did mine and it’s super warm and alive. I’m guessing the different speaker choices with the upcoming video will be a big improvement too. Great video! I think this amp will grow in popularity because it delivers an experience that no one has really been able to do before. Once people play through it and experience the transients and musical feedback, it’s a game changer. The larger Marshall’s are supreme but not realistic for most. This checks just about all the boxes. Dig the outdoor footage as well!
Putting some old Mullard 12ax7s will sweeten and smooth the tone out from my experience.
@@RaiderJay9092 thankfully the tube situation seems to be okay and we have new options. I’m sure you’re right about the Mullard’s but changing a Capacitor of two helps. For 70’s rock tones, the SV20 is a great choice
Thanks, glad to hear it
What mod was that?
@@nikolajnb3774 now that is only something Dave knows for sure. He doesn’t divulge to most what he does but my amp sounds smoother than any other SV20 I’ve heard on TH-cam. Johan’s video was excellent though. I’m pretty sure a fat cap was put into my Marshall but I’m guessing he changed some values on things to smooth out the sound. It sounds great.
The SV20 sounded better (and more like in person) in the video you did a couple of days ago - it sounds a bit boxy/filtered here, I notice you used some different mic placements in the other video.
As Johan says, the SV is extremely close to the JMP in the room, but the SV sounds colder when recorded. I am loving the SV212 cab at home, seems to have a good balance of frequencies and plenty of low end, maybe a little bright when stood right in front of it, but it is supposed to be a super lead, and you have both presence & treble controls to fine tune that.
Enjoying the sv20h content!
These amps are awesome but take a little dialing. Depending if you dial it right for goal will determine if your happy or not with the sound
I'd love to hear them both through the same cab
Would be interesting to also hear them both through the same cab. Would at least not have to move the mic etc. I guess then it would be even closer. Some people would be buying the set, head and cab, but a lot of people would already have a cab at home if they are considering buying a head. I would use my 212 G12M/V30 cab with one of these and wouldn't buy the cabs. If I did decide to buy the Studio series cab I would swap the speakers anyway just to have the nicer looking cab
The 73 has this nice warmth to it that to me sounds better.
I have a request! Can you play the DI from the SV20H in to a Greenback IR? The Free one by Redwirez is killer (the one I've been using) and I'd love to hear it next to a mic'd up Greenback. I'm not expecting it to sound the same, I'm just wondering if you can get some usable tones that way. Also, are the valves pressed straight in to the board like the DSL 40 series?
As you say, they were surprisingly close, even if the V-types in the smaller cab didn't sound that dynamic, airy and big... The 1987x and DSL20 comparisons should be very interesting, I'm most curious how the SV compares through the same cab.
Thanks Alan
@@JohanSegeborn my pleasure 😉
Would you consider doing a series on direct guitar sounds? Not sure I am personally ready to go all cab sim impulse response...it would be great to see you a/b with real amps !
I’m certainly open for that
I'd have liked to have heard the 50w through the 2x12 as well
That's a great idea play both heads through the v-type cabinet and hear the difference
Looking forward to this.
Very impressive. To my ears, the sv20 didn't really have that nice glassy top end as much as the jmp 50 and was kind of missing something in the lower frequencies, but it was pretty close and I think I would be more than happy with that rig. Can you do a video like this with a jcm 800 sc20 vs an original 2203? I can't wait to hear how the sv20 sounds with other cabs!
If you upped the voltages on the Studio Vintage power amp and used a fixed bias instead of cathode it
would be closer.
2 videos, 1. Playing it out the box, with a Band, 2. Playing it with a band run through a 4x12.
Looking forward!!!
Looking back!
I have SV20 and i love it