Yamaha MSP 7 Vs Presonus Eris E8 vs Tannoy Reveal Active MK1 studio monitor challenge :)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Juste wanted to compare 3 models from 3 generations of studio monitors. As my first attempt, I tried to be as scientific in my process as I could, same mic placement, same speaker placement in the room, same dB SPL, There's still place for progress :) Hope you enjoyed and don't hesitate to leave your impressions.
(Just discovered I made the Tannoys play the music in mono, sorry.. I will redo the video... one day haha)
This test confirms to me that my Yamaha MSP7's going through a Yamaha Subwoofer, are still right up there for mixing duties, soundwise they're very clear, almost too clear, but you will never miss a problem, I even use them for mastering in my little home studio (no their not ideally a mastering speaker, but they do what I need them to do)... I now mix on Yamaha HS8 which have great bass extension, but not as detailed as the higher and more professional MSP7's with a subwoofer, the MSP7's sadly aren't on the market any longer, but a definite step up from HS8, then for a final mastering check I go through large audiophile speakers... I think if you're looking at Yamaha and wanting MSP7 quality, the new Kali IN-8 V2 are the next best thing, they're three way speakers and very nice at an affordable price... I've been looking to upgrade to a 3-way, but can never justify the expense as the MSP7's are just so darn good, and in a treated room they're heaven for detailed work.
well, I have a pair of HR824 next to them now. And Hr825 don't sound super good on the lower mid and Higher bass I may say. There's a boxiness in them that I dont really enjoy. But one day I was mixing with my msp7 all sounded good, but when I compared my results on the HR824, Wow the boxiness was too present in my guitar tone on the HR824. I could manage to have an acceptable boxiness tone for my guitar track on my Mackies, Then moved back on the msp7, still sounded good. So I may say that on the lower range you gotta be aware of that msp7 don't seem to reveal too much on the boxiness :) But they are good monitors for sur I won't sell either of them
Fun fact: MSP series was the last design of Akira Nakamura (chief engineer at Yamaha) before he retired. He also designed the famed NS10m. This monitor was his swan song. An absolute masterpiece. All components inside are high quality, nichicon, mica, silver Mylar caps, molded enclosure. Every detail influenced his design, with accurate sound and only accuracy in mind. Even the shape of enclosure and finish of the outside.
Guess why I waited to see a sale on the used market, instead of the HS7 or HS8 :P
Have you have heard anything if the professional and highly accurate MSP series wil be continued in the future?
I've only seen a successor to the smaller Yamaha MSP3, the Yamaha MSP3 A.
I’ve used a pair of Yamaha MSP-7 for many years. They are not for the faint of heart, and will show you everything that is wrong with your mix. Yamaha haven’t brought out a suitable legacy monitor since discontinuing them, so I’ll probably replace them with Genelec when the time comes.
I have those same Tannoys, I love how clear they are and can bring out all the details. I also own the Eris (3.5) and those tiny speakers are so underrated for small room studios! The Eris however have 2 band eq that i take advantage of and remove the bass.
The Yamaha's "sound worse" because they're revealing things that should be fixed in the mix.
oh yes, when something sounds bad, you do know it right away :)
You can't really judge speakers based on a recording of the sound coming out of them. But having owned the MSP7's for a few years, they're fantastic nearfields with ridiculously good imaging and midrange clarity. Bob Clearmountain uses them as his nearfields now too which should tell you something. I wish Yamaha would bring them back so I could buy a backup pair
Yes, they're amazing and I've had mine for 5 years now and just can't seem to justify upgrading, I think if I did it would have to be to a 3 way system of some kind, wish Yamaha would make a 3-way system along the lines of the MSP series. I've been looking for a backup pair also and tried to get their old "SW10S" professional subwoofer to match the MSP7, but couldn't find one anywhere in the world, I believe value for money the MSP7 and SW10S would have been killer (the MSP7 are built along the lines of the old NS10, contrary to popular belief that the HS White cone series are closer because they're white coned, this ain't true, the MSP series are closer to the famed NS10's)... Simply love em!
Man, I don't know what I will replace my MSP7's with, but those new Kali IN-8 with subwoofers look great, similar price to what the MSP7s were when they first come out and their 3-way, but I'm just not sure if they'd be a big enough step up from the MSP7's?
How much did a pair set you back when you bought them? Trying to see if there value holds up
I have listened to the MSP7s in IRL. They are super flat and have an excellent build and sound quality.
Still into music, huh? I'm glad to see that. :) It's been YEARS, a decade maybe? I hope you're doing great! :) Take care buddy!
haha, Yup, now a professionnal soundguy, music producer and soundesign, still play music and buy more guitars. My latest addition is a Dean ML and a dimebucker pickup on it's way to be in the guitar. I still have that Warrior XT
I also think that to make a comparison like this more meaningful, the microphones should be on the same quality level or better than the speakers being tested. And I think this is not the case. But to give an idea about the frequency response it works somehow.
No mic can replace human ears. The video is there to show tonal difference between monitors. My room makes some frequencies being canceled too (90-100hz is absent on my spot)and has reverb. So to make the video more close to reality, you have to use same recording gear, same spot, same db level.
¡Y A M A H A!
It is interesting, how much the Tannoys sound dull in this comparison. I have these speakers and I find them to be really great sounding, except for the lacking lower bass. I compared them to the much liked JBL LSR 305 and I find the Tannoys to be better - more natural and precise. It sounds like some frequecies are missing on the JBL's. The JBL's on the other hand play more of the deeper bass. I was deciding between these two and kept the Tannoys.
I made a mistake during the recording I only noticed after the video being edited. The mono button was on when the Tannoy was playing... so, if you can solo during your watching, you will have a sens of equity when comparing them. :)
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The tannoys have the flattest response to my ear closely followed by the E8. The yamaha sound tinny.
Well the yamaha are good to mix the mids wich is really important :)
Which subwoofer can I use with msp 7?
Any studio related subwoofer will do in my opinion. They have enough parameters you can adjust them accordingly to you studio monitors. I have the Presonus Templor T10 and I like it, I have a footswitch to bypass the sub. And when engaged, it has a high pass filter activated before going to the studio monitors so each speaker plays their frequency range.
@@LTDusersince99 thanks bro
Does the msp7 work for midfield ?
MSP7 The affordable genetics 1030 ! simple as that ! period.
I have owned both and prefer the YAMs!
to make music... yamaha.. to listen to music i feel like preosnus and tannoy sound better.
Great video! This rock track was especially useful for understanding the sound differences.
I have a pair of Yamaha MSP5's and I am currently looking for a new set of speakers because MSP5's cause an ear fatigue. Also it is way more difficult for me to mix rock songs then non-rock stuff for some reason. Now I am considering to buy a set of Eris E8 XT to solve these problems. What do you think about Yamaha and Presonus monitors in comparison? Are these monitors competitive to each other or Yamaha's are much better?
I'll have to say that these yamaha are better, tonaly they're close to each other (yamaha is better on mid while my Eris seems just a little bit scooped), but dynamics is different, like at same volume, I could ear more dynamics from yamaha. It's like the eris, because it's an "entry level" monitor as an amp that maybe compress the sound a bit. For my homestudio on the Eris I put the treble all way down to -6 db in order to have a flatter sound (at neutral they're are high heavy for me) and I don't get ear fatigue. If ear fatigue is a think and your budget fits, maybe have a listening experience with Adam monitors? For the HS8, I had an experience where highs were harsh. Another think you could do for ear fatigue is putting a high cut on master track, and activate it when not working on track where highs are needed. You will be happy with the punch and bass response of the Eris Xt because of it's bigger cabinet size has a better bass response than mine wich is good, but with some hype at 110 hz on my listening position (I set to -2 db for a flatter response again)
for rock stuff : what I enjoyed from my tannoys were the mids on Attila music and other new metal stuff, heavy guitars are more present, sharper. on the two others, the same song, guitars sounded a lil bit duller or darker by a hair though. Tannoy made guitar sounding "in your face" more. but poor bass, and smoother highs there's a natural roll off starting at around 15k
I do believe you will find having both complementary too :)
@@LTDusersince99 Hi!:) I was considering many different options in E8 XT price range and slightly above, and now i am pretty much ready to order Mackie MR824. I have watched almost every studio monitor comparison online since i can't listen to them live. There are only yamahas and KRKs in the local shops. Lately i had a chance to compare my Yamaha's to Genelec 1031a and Mackie MR8 mk2 and unfortunately my monitors sounded even more creepy that i would expect. Yamahas have some toxic resonances around 1400Hz and 3300Hz which is making the guitar sound quite unpleasant. This is exactly what was getting in the way of me making decent rock records. It is worth mentioning that your video was also helpful for me to identify and confirm what particular frequencies i don't like in Yamahas. Now i can hear that Tannoys and Presonus monitors sounds more even in that kind of midrange. I still doubt a bit about Mackie MR824, but it seems to be what i am looking for.:)
Sorry for my curiosity but can you share you experience of your faderport? What is your impression of the fader? How accurate is this fader compared to some other controllers that you have worked with in the past?
@@boriswirman72 I haven't had the chance to play with many controllers sadly, but the Faderport works really well, it will improve your workflow and save you a lot of time on automations. It works better using the faderport pressing record play and stop than having to reach the mouse, moving it and reach stop or record. especially when you have your guitar with you to record something.
Tannoy are a big joke to me. MSP7 all the way !!!!
Yamaha > tanoy > presonus.
But Presonus is a cheapist ! :)
Cheap and the best 😅😎👌 for me.
Thank you for teste
eris win
it depends on what you listen the video onto :P But what I can tell you is that, on dynamic range, Eris is not on the same league as the other, it's like if a compressor was on. So to work on a compressor will not be as revealing compared to the MSP7. Actually I should make videos on unfinished mix.