Thank you so much for giving us your time to explain how you set this up! I’m about to install my two transducers on a custom aluminum rig, and all of this helps a ton. Again, thank you!
@@DigitalRelay do you feel the traction loss with ABS? This is the biggest thing we need, I wish GT sent a signal for ABS. The wheel lock feels awesome with no ABS butttt then you have no ABS 😅
I feel like I am getting traction loss on the front with ABS on, but the effect is subtle. I totally agree. I wish GT approached braking like iRacing. In GT, I pretty much mash the brake, then trail brake coming off.
@@GBeto3 YMMV, but mine is set on Gamma Factor 1.0, Threshold 4, Min Force 0, Input gain 100. I'm working on a video where I'll dig into the details of using Simhub with GT7 and go over all my settings.
Awesome! It was a fun project to figure out and install, and now that I've had it in race for awhile, anytime I forget to turn it on, or Windows loses connection with the audio interface, it feels so weird to not have haptics going that I immediately pause the game and get it working again. Enjoy!
Finished the installation..it’s AWESOME! I basically cloned your setup, then tweaked some of the settings for my personal taste. It was pretty close off the mark. Your video and settings halved the learning curve and got me racing pretty quick, so thanks. The only thing I’m not real happy with is the board under the seat (Playseat trophy) because it alters the comfort slightly and cuts in on the biceps a bit. Might have to cut it down. Otherwise, loving it! Great addition!
@@zimbakin That's awesome!! I'm so glad my videos helped in any way. I agree on the board under the seat. I would definitely keep playing with that. I've had to strike a compromise between comfort and making the bass shaker effective. Mine sits a little too far forward, so I'm sure I'll continue to tweak how I have it installed. Have fun!!
I don't know that I'd say rumble motors work better for wheel slip/lock than bass shakers, but having the feedback isolated directly to each pedal is an improvement. I think a small transducer on each pedal could work just as well as rumble motors. Since I already had the available outputs on the motor shield, and a spare PS4 controller to rob the motors from, it was cheap and easy for me. If I wanted to do transducers instead, I'd need another audio interface/power amp, and 2 more transducers.
Wow thank you very much for the detailed tutorial this will come in handy.. would you mind helping me with something, as this is all very new to me,I have just bought a simple setup to use on my PS5 and play seat challenge x, basically I bought 3 of the mini Dayton TT25 8ohm transducers and the Nobsound mini Bluetooth power amplifier with built in sound card which is 2channel and 50w and 4-8ohm. My plan was to have one of the transducers (8ohm) under my pedals, then two transducers a on my seat, but running in parallel which I think then halves the ohms so each transducer would be 4ohm, is this safe to do I don’t want to blow out or destroy anything, any help you can give would be greatly appreciated..👍
I'm not an electrical expert, but you are correct that wiring in parallel will halve the ohms. The Nobsound amp is rated at 4-8 ohms, so at least according to the specs, this should work. I'm guessing you'll need to adjust the balance between the two channels, but working with transducers like this where they are mounted on different locations and serving different purposes, you'd want to do that anyway. Your biggest risk here is probably blowing out the Nobsound amp. But, they have it rated 4-8 ohms, so if it were me, I'd probably try this setup, keep the Nobsound output to around 75% and start with low levels in Simhub and slowly turn them up over time while periodically checking to see how hot the Nobsound amp is getting. If you do end up blowing the Nobsound amp, I think you're well within reason to return it. But then you'll want to come up with a new plan. One other thought, if you think you're going to more transducer energy on the seat, maybe just go with a larger transducer there like the Dayton Audio BST-2. I also just noticed Amazon sells TT25 in 8 ohm and in 16 ohm. You could get one 8 ohm for the pedal board, two 16 ohm for the seat and wire in parallel to make them 8 ohm. Good luck!
@@DigitalRelay hello mate, thank you so much for your detailed advice, I really am grateful 👍 Over the next few days I will get everything setup, at first I will do a temporary setup and try using use two transducers and get used to the system and how simhub works etc then I will go from there and try doing the 3 method etc and see how that goes and then decide if I should go for a larger rear transducer instead, I will let you know how it all goes mate, thanks again for your time and help and videos too. All the best, Marc..
What's the difference or purpose of multiple output level settings for each event? There are two output level settings on the SOUND OUTPUT tab: - one output level setting for a specific channel in the CUSTOM CHANNEL MAP. - another output level setting for a specific event (eg gear shift) for a specific channel. Then there is the 3rd level setting for each event (eg gear shift) on the EFFECTS PROFILE tab. How do those three output level settings affect each others, and do you know the purpose for multiple output level settings for the same thing?
I started with overall channel output to maximize the gain being sent to Nobsound interface/power amp. I used the channel output levels to balance signal going to each channel of the power amp. On my setup, the transducer under the pedal tray transferred more energy to my feet than the rear transducer under my seat did to my body. So at one point I lowered the channel going to the transducer under the pedal tray. I then fine tuned each Effect level to get relative levels of each effect set. For example, I wanted to barely feel engine rpm at idle in the pit lane. Once I start driving, the road impact or road texture will overshadow engine rpm anyway, so I give those more level. I wanted to really feel gear shift, so I increased that level. I also played with the frequency on each effect so that they all feel slightly different regardless of level. The channel output levels on the Sound Output tab can be used to balance individual effects per transducer. For example, I want engine rpm to feel like it's more at the front of the car, so I have that channel higher than the rear under Sound Output. Finally, I sometimes use the main channel output levels on the Sound Output tab to turn the whole bass shaker system up or down. If I'm racing at night with people sleeping in the house, it's nice to be able to turn things down.
Simhub reads GT7 telemetry over your local network. You can set the port it sends and looks for, but for me, all I had to do was tell Simhub what local IP address to look for. I don't know a lot about motion rigs, but I found this video that uses Sim Racing Studio th-cam.com/video/Eau-1PXfZqE/w-d-xo.html I know Simhub shows Acceleration G-Forces, Deceleration G-Forces, and Lateral G-Forces, so I would guess that's what you need to read from GT7 and then use effects to control your motors using Arduino boards and motors. I recommend getting on the Simhub Discord server. Lots of detailed info over there. Go to www.simhubdash.com and under Help is a link to the Discord invite. I'd love to see a video if you get this up and running!
@@DigitalRelay it worked here, but not with simtools at the same time and the gt7 proxy plugin active, either I use movement, or wind.and vibration, I'm still trying to get both together
Can I modify the settings of the vibration motors through simhub and send it over to my playstation? I do that for connecting a buttkicker and would like more feeling for the brake and gas pedals.
Simhub doesn't send anything back to the Playstation. Simhub receives telemetry from GT7/PS, uses that data to create effects, those effects control your bass shakers, rumble pedals, wind simulation, motion rig, etc. But you can change settings within simhub to send more power to the rumble pedals, as long as the power supply and the motors can handle it.
There are a couple of places you can adjust the power. Under ShakeIt Motors, find the Motors Output tab and the channels that are feeding the rumble motors. You can adjust the output level at the top. Then if you go the tab just to the left for Effects Profile, find the effect you're using to trigger the rumble pedals and you can also adjust the output level of the effect.
What setting do you use on your brake pedal motor now? SimHub says GT7 doesn't send accurate Wheel Slip info. I've tried using Traction Loss and Wheel Slip still, but doesn't seem to trigger brake too often/ So I'm wondering what you use, and your settings. Thx!
I'm using Wheels Lock and Traction Loss for brake pedal, but I have to admit, it's not great. Wheels lock, trigger at 35%, gamma .85, threshold 3, minimum force 0, input gain 100. Traction loss gamma factor 1.0, threshold 4, minimum force 0, input gain 100. Maybe GT will get this right some day.
when I press test in Simhub the shakers didn’t work!! I check All wires and connection everything connect!! I don’t know what the problem!! Any help please? I have 2 Aura Shakers 50w.
First make sure Windows sees the interface/amp, then try to send an audio signal to test. If that all works, make sure in Simhub that the interface/amp is connected. If it is showing it's connected, try testing from the interface tab.
@ The problem every thing connecting as will, I do test for the shakers and amp with Aux in my iPad it’s working!! Windows see the amp but when I press test in simhub shakers didn’t work! I don’t know what the problem!!
Yes, there are several effects available to achieve road rumble, road impacts, road texture feel, and you have plenty of parameters available to dial it in to fit you and your setup.
hi DigitalRelay, how did you do to make the shakers work in gt7, can you help me with it, I can't get the simagic haptic pedals reactor to work in gt7, in the simhub dashboard software I see that gt7 game is running but the haptic pedals reactor remains disabled in simhub software, what am I doing wrong?
Did you enter the PS4 or PS5 IP address into Simhub? If not, you need to go to network settings on your PS4 or PS5 and find out the IP address. Then in Simhub, under Game/Telemetry Config, you enter the IP address so Simhub knows where to listen for the data. If you enter the IP address and you still aren't getting data from GT7, you may need to verify the UPD ports match. I've noted to mess with those though.
@@DigitalRelay, hi, thanks for feedback, that's right I said the ip address of ps5 in the simhub software, the problem is that the simagic p-hpr haptic does not turn on in the simhub software it stays off.
the simagic p-hpr haptic only turns on in the simhub software when I connect the pedals to the pc they turn on but when I connect the pedals to the base and via ps5 they turn off in the simhub software, this way the simhub software does not see the pedals
I probably glossed over it quickly because I have that set minimally. I'm only pushing it 17% so it doesn't interfere with road impacts, which are at 100%. For road textures, I'm at 5 km/h effect low force, 120 km/h effect high force, simulated road grain 50%.
@@DigitalRelay Thank you, I will try it out. You video made huge difference in my set up and I really appreciate you taking the time to make it. I wish you a great weekend!
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C Clarke GT7 broadcasts the games telemetry data on your local network. Once setup to look for it, your Simhub PC receives that data on your network, then Simhub uses the data to create effects that get sent on to whatever haptic devices you have installed. It's pretty great for simracing and fun to build, figure out and get working. Thanks for watching!
Honesty the most humble person in sim racing community, thanks for the great work as always!
I appreciate that so much! I'm glad I can be of some help, and hope that some of my ideas spark new ideas for other people. Get in there!
Thank you so much for giving us your time to explain how you set this up! I’m about to install my two transducers on a custom aluminum rig, and all of this helps a ton. Again, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Wheel lock can only be triggered if you are running no ABS. With ABS on the wheels never lock. It’s the same with a controller, no rumble from ABS.
Gotcha. I ended up using Traction Loss, which I think was added after this video. It seems to work well.
@@DigitalRelay do you feel the traction loss with ABS?
This is the biggest thing we need, I wish GT sent a signal for ABS. The wheel lock feels awesome with no ABS butttt then you have no ABS 😅
I feel like I am getting traction loss on the front with ABS on, but the effect is subtle. I totally agree. I wish GT approached braking like iRacing. In GT, I pretty much mash the brake, then trail brake coming off.
@@DigitalRelay could you share the traction loss settings?
@@GBeto3 YMMV, but mine is set on Gamma Factor 1.0, Threshold 4, Min Force 0, Input gain 100. I'm working on a video where I'll dig into the details of using Simhub with GT7 and go over all my settings.
Thanks for sharing! I just purchased the parts using your Amazon links (last 2 35W in stock) Looking forward to this addition 😊
Awesome! It was a fun project to figure out and install, and now that I've had it in race for awhile, anytime I forget to turn it on, or Windows loses connection with the audio interface, it feels so weird to not have haptics going that I immediately pause the game and get it working again. Enjoy!
Finished the installation..it’s AWESOME!
I basically cloned your setup, then tweaked some of the settings for my personal taste. It was pretty close off the mark. Your video and settings halved the learning curve and got me racing pretty quick, so thanks.
The only thing I’m not real happy with is the board under the seat (Playseat trophy) because it alters the comfort slightly and cuts in on the biceps a bit. Might have to cut it down. Otherwise, loving it! Great addition!
@@zimbakin That's awesome!! I'm so glad my videos helped in any way. I agree on the board under the seat. I would definitely keep playing with that. I've had to strike a compromise between comfort and making the bass shaker effective. Mine sits a little too far forward, so I'm sure I'll continue to tweak how I have it installed. Have fun!!
Have you found that wheel slip/lock works better using the "shakeit motors" function vs the bass shaker?
I don't know that I'd say rumble motors work better for wheel slip/lock than bass shakers, but having the feedback isolated directly to each pedal is an improvement. I think a small transducer on each pedal could work just as well as rumble motors. Since I already had the available outputs on the motor shield, and a spare PS4 controller to rob the motors from, it was cheap and easy for me. If I wanted to do transducers instead, I'd need another audio interface/power amp, and 2 more transducers.
Wow thank you very much for the detailed tutorial this will come in handy.. would you mind helping me with something, as this is all very new to me,I have just bought a simple setup to use on my PS5 and play seat challenge x, basically I bought 3 of the mini Dayton TT25 8ohm transducers and the Nobsound mini Bluetooth power amplifier with built in sound card which is 2channel and 50w and 4-8ohm.
My plan was to have one of the transducers (8ohm) under my pedals, then two transducers a on my seat, but running in parallel which I think then halves the ohms so each transducer would be 4ohm, is this safe to do I don’t want to blow out or destroy anything, any help you can give would be greatly appreciated..👍
I'm not an electrical expert, but you are correct that wiring in parallel will halve the ohms. The Nobsound amp is rated at 4-8 ohms, so at least according to the specs, this should work. I'm guessing you'll need to adjust the balance between the two channels, but working with transducers like this where they are mounted on different locations and serving different purposes, you'd want to do that anyway. Your biggest risk here is probably blowing out the Nobsound amp. But, they have it rated 4-8 ohms, so if it were me, I'd probably try this setup, keep the Nobsound output to around 75% and start with low levels in Simhub and slowly turn them up over time while periodically checking to see how hot the Nobsound amp is getting. If you do end up blowing the Nobsound amp, I think you're well within reason to return it. But then you'll want to come up with a new plan. One other thought, if you think you're going to more transducer energy on the seat, maybe just go with a larger transducer there like the Dayton Audio BST-2. I also just noticed Amazon sells TT25 in 8 ohm and in 16 ohm. You could get one 8 ohm for the pedal board, two 16 ohm for the seat and wire in parallel to make them 8 ohm. Good luck!
@@DigitalRelay hello mate, thank you so much for your detailed advice, I really am grateful 👍
Over the next few days I will get everything setup, at first I will do a temporary setup and try using use two transducers and get used to the system and how simhub works etc then I will go from there and try doing the 3 method etc and see how that goes and then decide if I should go for a larger rear transducer instead, I will let you know how it all goes mate, thanks again for your time and help and videos too. All the best, Marc..
hi, the Dash Studio works on my mobile and GT7 Running, but the Motors Output in the simhub software of the switches Motors stays Disconnected (red)
My expertise on Simhub is limited, but if you join the Simhub Discord, I'll bet someone there can help with your specific issues.
What's the difference or purpose of multiple output level settings for each event?
There are two output level settings on the SOUND OUTPUT tab:
- one output level setting for a specific channel in the CUSTOM CHANNEL MAP.
- another output level setting for a specific event (eg gear shift) for a specific channel.
Then there is the 3rd level setting for each event (eg gear shift) on the EFFECTS PROFILE tab.
How do those three output level settings affect each others, and do you know the purpose for multiple output level settings for the same thing?
I started with overall channel output to maximize the gain being sent to Nobsound interface/power amp. I used the channel output levels to balance signal going to each channel of the power amp. On my setup, the transducer under the pedal tray transferred more energy to my feet than the rear transducer under my seat did to my body. So at one point I lowered the channel going to the transducer under the pedal tray. I then fine tuned each Effect level to get relative levels of each effect set. For example, I wanted to barely feel engine rpm at idle in the pit lane. Once I start driving, the road impact or road texture will overshadow engine rpm anyway, so I give those more level. I wanted to really feel gear shift, so I increased that level. I also played with the frequency on each effect so that they all feel slightly different regardless of level. The channel output levels on the Sound Output tab can be used to balance individual effects per transducer. For example, I want engine rpm to feel like it's more at the front of the car, so I have that channel higher than the rear under Sound Output. Finally, I sometimes use the main channel output levels on the Sound Output tab to turn the whole bass shaker system up or down. If I'm racing at night with people sleeping in the house, it's nice to be able to turn things down.
@@DigitalRelay got it! Thanks for the quick response!
Do you know if there's any way to use a 3dof motion sim and the wind and shakers together? How your simhub read your gt7 telemetry?
Simhub reads GT7 telemetry over your local network. You can set the port it sends and looks for, but for me, all I had to do was tell Simhub what local IP address to look for.
I don't know a lot about motion rigs, but I found this video that uses Sim Racing Studio th-cam.com/video/Eau-1PXfZqE/w-d-xo.html
I know Simhub shows Acceleration G-Forces, Deceleration G-Forces, and Lateral G-Forces, so I would guess that's what you need to read from GT7 and then use effects to control your motors using Arduino boards and motors.
I recommend getting on the Simhub Discord server. Lots of detailed info over there.
Go to www.simhubdash.com and under Help is a link to the Discord invite.
I'd love to see a video if you get this up and running!
@@DigitalRelay it worked here, but not with simtools at the same time and the gt7 proxy plugin active, either I use movement, or wind.and vibration, I'm still trying to get both together
Can I modify the settings of the vibration motors through simhub and send it over to my playstation? I do that for connecting a buttkicker and would like more feeling for the brake and gas pedals.
Simhub doesn't send anything back to the Playstation. Simhub receives telemetry from GT7/PS, uses that data to create effects, those effects control your bass shakers, rumble pedals, wind simulation, motion rig, etc.
But you can change settings within simhub to send more power to the rumble pedals, as long as the power supply and the motors can handle it.
@@DigitalRelay Which setting would that be? I would like to set the brake vibration and also for the throttle.
There are a couple of places you can adjust the power. Under ShakeIt Motors, find the Motors Output tab and the channels that are feeding the rumble motors. You can adjust the output level at the top. Then if you go the tab just to the left for Effects Profile, find the effect you're using to trigger the rumble pedals and you can also adjust the output level of the effect.
What setting do you use on your brake pedal motor now? SimHub says GT7 doesn't send accurate Wheel Slip info. I've tried using Traction Loss and Wheel Slip still, but doesn't seem to trigger brake too often/ So I'm wondering what you use, and your settings. Thx!
I'm using Wheels Lock and Traction Loss for brake pedal, but I have to admit, it's not great. Wheels lock, trigger at 35%, gamma .85, threshold 3, minimum force 0, input gain 100. Traction loss gamma factor 1.0, threshold 4, minimum force 0, input gain 100. Maybe GT will get this right some day.
when I press test in Simhub the shakers didn’t work!! I check All wires and connection everything connect!! I don’t know what the problem!! Any help please? I have 2 Aura Shakers 50w.
First make sure Windows sees the interface/amp, then try to send an audio signal to test. If that all works, make sure in Simhub that the interface/amp is connected. If it is showing it's connected, try testing from the interface tab.
@ The problem every thing connecting as will, I do test for the shakers and amp with Aux in my iPad it’s working!! Windows see the amp but when I press test in simhub shakers didn’t work! I don’t know what the problem!!
Can you get road feel / rumble, fake or otherwise ?
Yes, there are several effects available to achieve road rumble, road impacts, road texture feel, and you have plenty of parameters available to dial it in to fit you and your setup.
At what value/level do you have the amp? 30? 50? and thanks a lot for these settings.
I keep the amp at about 80%, and you are very welcome!
hi DigitalRelay, how did you do to make the shakers work in gt7, can you help me with it, I can't get the simagic haptic pedals reactor to work in gt7, in the simhub dashboard software I see that gt7 game is running but the haptic pedals reactor remains disabled in simhub software, what am I doing wrong?
Did you enter the PS4 or PS5 IP address into Simhub? If not, you need to go to network settings on your PS4 or PS5 and find out the IP address. Then in Simhub, under Game/Telemetry Config, you enter the IP address so Simhub knows where to listen for the data. If you enter the IP address and you still aren't getting data from GT7, you may need to verify the UPD ports match. I've noted to mess with those though.
@@DigitalRelay, hi, thanks for feedback, that's right I said the ip address of ps5 in the simhub software, the problem is that the simagic p-hpr haptic does not turn on in the simhub software it stays off.
the simagic p-hpr haptic only turns on in the simhub software when I connect the pedals to the pc they turn on but when I connect the pedals to the base and via ps5 they turn off in the simhub software, this way the simhub software does not see the pedals
Thanks for a great video, but you missed opening the "Simulated road texture" do you have any recommendations besides, 38/52Hz?
I probably glossed over it quickly because I have that set minimally. I'm only pushing it 17% so it doesn't interfere with road impacts, which are at 100%. For road textures, I'm at 5 km/h effect low force, 120 km/h effect high force, simulated road grain 50%.
@@DigitalRelay Thank you, I will try it out. You video made huge difference in my set up and I really appreciate you taking the time to make it.
I wish you a great weekend!
Happy it helped!! I wish you a great weekend too, and happy racing!
Does this work with a Moza wheel ?
How did you get Simhub on your MacBook ?
I use a program called Jump Desktop that's basically a VNC server and client. It works great for remote access. I think it cost about $30 US.
What is this witchcraft ?
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C Clarke
GT7 broadcasts the games telemetry data on your local network. Once setup to look for it, your Simhub PC receives that data on your network, then Simhub uses the data to create effects that get sent on to whatever haptic devices you have installed. It's pretty great for simracing and fun to build, figure out and get working. Thanks for watching!
You look like jimmy jonson
I guess so!!
@@DigitalRelay has anyone told you that before
@@Rickk69er No sir!