If their was a darton or prime dealer anywhere close to my area I would for sure consider trying one. Although I have an ez green I still appreciate manufacturers offering tuning options outside of buying mathew's top hats for 50$. Ppl like myself and other viewers of this channel prefer to have a perfectly tuned bow and being able to do it at home as an average customer is absolutely amazing. Very pleased to see darton jumping into the easy tuning list like elite and bowtech.
I picked my 35 up from G4 and it is an absolute shooter. I was bummed I didnt get to try the new timing and tuning system because it shot a bullet hole right out of the box. I’m shooting it @ 31’ at #70 on a 465g arrow with stock mods and i was getting 294 over the chronograph. The bow is so linear in its draw straight to a firm wall. It aims fast but holds solid. The geometry on this one is definitely coming into play. Dont think about the name. Pick it up and shoot it. Hopefully Josh makes the right bow decision this season. Anyone in the Eugene area wanna shoot mine get at me.
Darton makes a solid bow. Still shooting my spectra 32. The sequel last year made me ant one now with the tuning and speed mods I really want one. 33 to be exact perfect size for me.
LOL. I had a shop that just picked up the Darton line put a new string on my 2006 Tempest Extreme in early October.....stopped by today to thank him for doing a great job and show him pictures of the 8 pt with 18.5" inside spread and 11" G2's that I harvested on Nov 2. My next bow will be a Darton too, no need to change!!
I had a Darton Viper back in the 90s. Paper tune the arrow shafts in perfect. Same as my Darton Lightning with overdraw. When you shoot a perfect hole through with a blank shaft, i say that you got a tune very well.
Hey Tim love the videos! Was wondering if you could do a video or discuss the advantages of a thumb button or an index release. Just wondering if one is truly better for hunting or target shooting or it’s truly preference? Thanks for making your content and hope to hear your opinion
Your videos make me want to shoot more and more! Thank you for the content. Struggling with finding “my arrows” for a new bow. I’ve found stuff that works short and stuff that works long, but no happy medium. I like that you are real with us and very helpful with the “how-to” but also direct us to the very technical stuff if someone else has a video on it! Thank you!
From an engineers perspective, the screw won't rattle out because of the amount of force pushing back on it . Only probably would if it was almost all the way backed out and you didn't know.
The owner's son of my local shop, which is also the only Darton dealer in my area, has been winning indoor competitions with the new Sequel 35 ST and a Sequel 33 before that. Its a pretty sweet bow. When I can finally afford an upgrade I'll be looking at the 35 ST.
Seems like a solid bow. I’m still leaning towards the bowtech . I think their tuning system is unmatched. For the same cons you mentioned. Exited to see what they come out with this year! And hope you review it . Loved the step by step real life tuning! Keep it up
Tim correct me if I’m wrong. The screw for the new tuning system of Darton puts pressure on the limb in the limb pocket to change the defelection/ position of the limb on the cam side and cause some cam lean. It stands to reason that the set/ adjust screw pressing on the limb is then also pressed back by the limb with pressure tension on the adjust screw screw threads making the likelihood of that screw moving very slim?
@@Timberdam saw that but you are misreading my comment.My comment was made as a reply to your comment that you wonder if the tuning screws at the limb pocket of the new Darton might work loose while travelling or hunting.
So far what I’m seeing it’s a pretty neat concept, Darton has always been top of innovation just never really a popular choice. But my question to you is., in order for me to shoot a compound now I need to shoot with a mouth tab. I’ve never done this before. Just wondering if you can give me any ideas of how to go about tuning about when you don’t have a smooth release of mechanics? Could this make tuning about a much harder deal??
So this did come out years ago in a different age and when people weren’t so in to tuning at a high level. The PSE Mach X and Money Maker had independent limb bolts that allowed you to adjust each limb in or out. But, it was used with a hybrid cam and a single cam. Neither of those systems really benefited from that because both had yokes.
New to bow hunting. I intend to buy an entry level set-up in anticipación for using it next season. Just wanted to say thanks for all the videos, they are a big help with helping me understand what it is I should be looking for. Again, thank you.
Damn, that bow in a 31 looks pretty inticing! I noticed the fletchings on that arrow are pretty unique looking, who makes em and are they left helical or is that just the camera mirrored? Looking at rebuilding my arrow setup after finding the arrow tests you and Josh did last year. Guessing my 850 grain over-lengthed arrows may be less effective than I originally was told..
All the modern flag ship bows and even some of the mid priced ones are pretty darn good these days in regards to performance. The difference I have found is ease of tuning especially using brodheads and also how long will the platform stay tuned for me nothing comes even close to Bowtechs deadlock cam system adjustability and rock solid consistency over along period of time.
The riser is the almost the exact length as the lift 33, it shoots absolutely amazing, for being 4.8# its balanced very well almost felt lighter, waiting for hoyt but hearing their aluminum bow is gonna be shorter soooo might not go that route. Might be the bow for next year!
It's probably going to be one of the best cross-over bows ever made. I'm also looking forward to taking this yoke hanger and putting it on my PSEs😂 I agree on the limb tension system unless darton is so confident it won't EVER move... they really should have machine various lines for people to reference off I'm also wondering what benefit is it to show a bow being tuned in 10 arrows or less, especially with a very vague idea of the outcome of the changes plus not having the centre shot over their indicated line. For me, at least, keep it simple and just state it how it is (is it simple to use and naturally how far can X adjustment get you from min to max) I also noticed your hamskea spring has seen better days (very stretched out). Is this intentional by any chance?
Was gonna get a dart on consequence, couldn’t find a left handed one so I bought a bow tech cp28 def worth it but I see lots of people recommending the darton bows
Trying to figure out the Easter egg in this video lol. Aside from your truck sounding like a motorcycle or a hole in your muffler...I just couldn't find it lol. I was peaking at the Easton arrows but I'm just being hopeful lol. Or maybe a magview sponsor?!?! lol
A bow shipped out with this bad of settings is ridiculous. I have never had any bow start out with a tear like this one had. Apparently Darton is slapping them together and out the door?
Yeah I can usually get a bow tuned by usually the rest why not line up the power stroke instead of playing with the tuning, I've used elite, bowtech and pses old system to tune but I found micro adjust or normal movements on rest work fine.
If they got a bushing that is in the top of that limb pocket all they had to do was drill a hole and put two set screws on the side of the big screw could have told them that
You have to be able to patent the idea and make sure no other company has a similar design. Could have been easy but other companies have some form of this.
I would definitely take a look at the Elite Exalt 35. I shot it today and it blew me away. Im currently shooting a Lift 33 and an Alpha X 33 and long story short, I’m gonna turn one into the Exalt!
It seems like too me tuning with the limbs you could be missing the real reason that your tear is so bad wrong arrow the rest needs adjusted or the shooter just sucks that your trying to help and you help him with his form.
I don't think this is the right way to do any of that tuning. You should have gotten the tear the best you could with cam spacers then use all these features for fine tuning. I'm pretty sure that's how it is supposed to be done. Now that you maxed out these fine tuning features, you have no adjustments left after the strings settle and you get a couple hundred shots through it you won't have any adjustments left when you need them. The bow still isn't set up right, you just have the problems covered up in sketchy way. I would put it back like it was, space it correctly, then use these features to get it extra fine tuned. You will have a much better shooting bow and lots of adjustments left for when you need them.
I am not getting it to be brutally honest. It is supposed to be so easy to set up that you do not need a bow press but that only makes sense if you are buying it online. So if you were to buy a bow at a store you would get it tuned there so unless you have to drive 100 miles to the store this really does not make much sense to me.
While I get the concept of end user tuning like Darton has done and BowTech did a while ago the pool of guys capable of tuning a bow are VERY small. Of those that can they even still go to local shop as they have paper tuning sheet setup and many bows like Mathews and Hoyt need shims. I have PSE that uses the EZ 220 system. While I do not need shims you still need a press and the special tool from PSE to pull the clips and the PSE parts they do not sell to the public. Or they did not they want you to go to local shop. 99% of self tuning is just pure marketing. The pool of guys capable of utilizing this is VERY VERY small. Of those that can they may not have the paper jig to do it so they go to shop. lol Bowtech has not set world on fire with their system for sure. Mathews still outsells than 1,000 to 1 I'd bet. Not hating on the tech. It obviously works. Like the Mathews Stay A Field systems where you can replace stings in the field. Literally never heard in my life of anyone using that. BETTER is take a second bow. I'm going out west. 2nd bow cheapest part of the trip almost. It is good marketing but that is all it is.
Lol. You can't make a paper jig? 5 bucks and 5 minutes will have you a functioning paper jig. Or you just bareshaft or broadhead tune to get to the same place. And I think you'll find there's many many bowhunters capable of tuning a bow... maybe most of them....
Harley Davidson Ford?! As I have said on other post reviews of the new Dartons, “why didn’t they incorporate a pic on the front of the riser for all the new streamline sights which has become the norm?” Now Tim, I understand that you are not Darton’s engineer so I’ll give you a pass.
There’s an actual reason Easter egg in this video! Exciting time of year, hope ya’ll are shooting your bow
Did I spy a new hoyt bow hanging up?!
Tyson 🥊
The rut is just starting here in Kansas. The weather has been so warm that my golf game has gotten in the way of deer season.
yeah it on the limb on that bow. John 8:32
Ur mom
You know almost every cam on every top bow came from Darton has always been behind the scenes of modern bow technology
Pretty sure limb pockets too.
Keep preaching, do you know how few people know this fact!!!!
Lol Oneida enters chat
If their was a darton or prime dealer anywhere close to my area I would for sure consider trying one. Although I have an ez green I still appreciate manufacturers offering tuning options outside of buying mathew's top hats for 50$. Ppl like myself and other viewers of this channel prefer to have a perfectly tuned bow and being able to do it at home as an average customer is absolutely amazing. Very pleased to see darton jumping into the easy tuning list like elite and bowtech.
Just traded in my mathews trx on the darton 31 what a upgrade.
I picked my 35 up from G4 and it is an absolute shooter. I was bummed I didnt get to try the new timing and tuning system because it shot a bullet hole right out of the box. I’m shooting it @ 31’ at #70 on a 465g arrow with stock mods and i was getting 294 over the chronograph. The bow is so linear in its draw straight to a firm wall. It aims fast but holds solid. The geometry on this one is definitely coming into play. Dont think about the name. Pick it up and shoot it. Hopefully Josh makes the right bow decision this season. Anyone in the Eugene area wanna shoot mine get at me.
MFJJ does full review on Podium Archery
Darton makes a solid bow. Still shooting my spectra 32. The sequel last year made me ant one now with the tuning and speed mods I really want one. 33 to be exact perfect size for me.
Right on, I was happy w/ the consequence
LOL. I had a shop that just picked up the Darton line put a new string on my 2006 Tempest Extreme in early October.....stopped by today to thank him for doing a great job and show him pictures of the 8 pt with 18.5" inside spread and 11" G2's that I harvested on Nov 2. My next bow will be a Darton too, no need to change!!
I had a Darton Viper back in the 90s. Paper tune the arrow shafts in perfect. Same as my Darton Lightning with overdraw. When you shoot a perfect hole through with a blank shaft, i say that you got a tune very well.
Definitely waiting for my local shop to get this now. Josh’s review has me interested as soon as I watched it.
Pse use to have a center shot line and also a nock height 1.. made it easy for me back in the day.
Hey Tim love the videos! Was wondering if you could do a video or discuss the advantages of a thumb button or an index release. Just wondering if one is truly better for hunting or target shooting or it’s truly preference? Thanks for making your content and hope to hear your opinion
Whoever said that that took too many arrows to tune is crazy 6 shots and you got a bullet hole that's nothing to complain about
Your videos make me want to shoot more and more! Thank you for the content. Struggling with finding “my arrows” for a new bow. I’ve found stuff that works short and stuff that works long, but no happy medium. I like that you are real with us and very helpful with the “how-to” but also direct us to the very technical stuff if someone else has a video on it! Thank you!
Just have some cut for it.
@ that’s not the problem…. They’re all cut. The issue is spine, insert weight and balance.
From an engineers perspective, the screw won't rattle out because of the amount of force pushing back on it
. Only probably would if it was almost all the way backed out and you didn't know.
Yeah but everything man made can fail
I think a side by side comparison of the darton tuning and bowtech deadlock needs to happen
The owner's son of my local shop, which is also the only Darton dealer in my area, has been winning indoor competitions with the new Sequel 35 ST and a Sequel 33 before that. Its a pretty sweet bow. When I can finally afford an upgrade I'll be looking at the 35 ST.
How does the Darton compare to the Bowtech Reckoning 36 gen 2?
Loving my new Sequel 35. Best shooting bow I've ever owned.
Can I ask what Binos you use?
That motorcycle sound is goated af😂😂 great cinematic vid👊👊
I thought something was seriously wrong with his truck before I realized it was on purpose lol
That’s my v12
I had the 35 sent to me 2 weeks ago. It is the absolute best!
Seems like a solid bow. I’m still leaning towards the bowtech . I think their tuning system is unmatched. For the same cons you mentioned. Exited to see what they come out with this year! And hope you review it . Loved the step by step real life tuning! Keep it up
Cool thing is Darton made and designed that system and bowtech pays them royalties.
Tim correct me if I’m wrong. The screw for the new tuning system of Darton puts pressure on the limb in the limb pocket to change the defelection/ position of the limb on the cam side and cause some cam lean. It stands to reason that the set/ adjust screw pressing on the limb is then also pressed back by the limb with pressure tension on the adjust screw screw threads making the likelihood of that screw moving very slim?
Podium archery does a full review on the bow !
@@Timberdam saw that but you are misreading my comment.My comment was made as a reply to your comment that you wonder if the tuning screws at the limb pocket of the new Darton might work loose while travelling or hunting.
The sleeve cutting made me laugh so hard. Great video as always Tim.
need to let the boys breath, ya know
Can you broadhead tune with that system?
I believe you could
Moving on here, I pushed the wrong key.. How do I get a product review like the Darton bow you just demonstrated?
So far what I’m seeing it’s a pretty neat concept, Darton has always been top of innovation just never really a popular choice. But my question to you is., in order for me to shoot a compound now I need to shoot with a mouth tab. I’ve never done this before. Just wondering if you can give me any ideas of how to go about tuning about when you don’t have a smooth release of mechanics? Could this make tuning about a much harder deal??
I love your videos, and the quality and colors you are using on your camera are insanely good.
Cheers from Brazil 🇧🇷
Be interesting to compare the 31, and 33 to the 35 and give us your impressions on which is better?
I bought the 2024 sequel 33 last year. Love it. Trying to convince myself to trade it in for the 2025.
It would be great to have a follow on your theory/ question about the adjustment screw etc?? Maybe with a Darton rep or MFJJ
I'm really interested in this bow. Great video! How is the timing adjustment on the string? Do you see any downsides to that?
So this did come out years ago in a different age and when people weren’t so in to tuning at a high level. The PSE Mach X and Money Maker had independent limb bolts that allowed you to adjust each limb in or out. But, it was used with a hybrid cam and a single cam. Neither of those systems really benefited from that because both had yokes.
New to bow hunting. I intend to buy an entry level set-up in anticipación for using it next season. Just wanted to say thanks for all the videos, they are a big help with helping me understand what it is I should be looking for. Again, thank you.
Wouldn’t the tension that the limb is putting against the tuning screw keep it in place? I would think so🤷🏻♂️
Great video.. Darton isn’t usually like a flagship bow. It’s good to see them being so innovative. I can promise you I will shoot this bow.
I'm sure you did just figured I would ask like is your wrist at 1316 is the timing on all that good stuff
You and Josh both been shopping at bady gap?
12:12 is that Cheetos in the mustache brother? 😂
lol egg yolk, rookie move
11:41 the flavor savor in full effect in this section
Great to see Darton back in the saddle!
Excellent bow! great choice and good luck with it this year if you decide to keep it.
holy crap dude what a bunch of great content. nice video
Thank you dude
Darton! Let’s go!
Damn, that bow in a 31 looks pretty inticing! I noticed the fletchings on that arrow are pretty unique looking, who makes em and are they left helical or is that just the camera mirrored? Looking at rebuilding my arrow setup after finding the arrow tests you and Josh did last year. Guessing my 850 grain over-lengthed arrows may be less effective than I originally was told..
The vanes on his arrow are DCA Sabre vanes. They’re not bad, a little softer than others but are pretty quiet as well.
All the modern flag ship bows and even some of the mid priced ones are pretty darn good these days in regards to performance. The difference I have found is ease of tuning especially using brodheads and also how long will the platform stay tuned for me nothing comes even close to Bowtechs deadlock cam system adjustability and rock solid consistency over along period of time.
Great video Tim! Was that a G.O.A.T release that you were using?
Yessir, it’s great but has a lot of parts.
I hope you are planning on doing the same thing with the Elite Exalt. Very similar bow to the sequel 35.
What's up Tim , how long have you been in the archery game ?
Discount code didn't work tonight.
Looks like a great setup, would love to see a head to head of this and the elite Exalt 35.
The riser is the almost the exact length as the lift 33, it shoots absolutely amazing, for being 4.8# its balanced very well almost felt lighter, waiting for hoyt but hearing their aluminum bow is gonna be shorter soooo might not go that route. Might be the bow for next year!
Love the vids on the bow testing! I love that ethos you got.
Love my darton. Great videos thanks for posting!
Try the elite exalt 35 short draw version Max's out at 30 inch draw
Great review Tim !! Let's see it out on the range !
MFJJ does full review on Podium archery 2 wks ago on the Darton Sequel !! Gets high ratings ...
Im really considering this bow..just waiting to see what everyone else has to offer this year!
Thanks for reviewing this bow.
no problemo!
I thought you could only go like 2 and a half turns
It's probably going to be one of the best cross-over bows ever made.
I'm also looking forward to taking this yoke hanger and putting it on my PSEs😂
I agree on the limb tension system unless darton is so confident it won't EVER move... they really should have machine various lines for people to reference off
I'm also wondering what benefit is it to show a bow being tuned in 10 arrows or less, especially with a very vague idea of the outcome of the changes plus not having the centre shot over their indicated line.
For me, at least, keep it simple and just state it how it is (is it simple to use and naturally how far can X adjustment get you from min to max)
I also noticed your hamskea spring has seen better days (very stretched out). Is this intentional by any chance?
The truth shall set you free, I love it !
I would like to see the timing in action
tinkering not fiddling ALWAYS BE TINKERING
Darron might make me ditch me 2011 hour rampage! I was exited for the consequence, now this! What will they come up with next?!
Was gonna get a dart on consequence, couldn’t find a left handed one so I bought a bow tech cp28 def worth it but I see lots of people recommending the darton bows
It’s not too late…
@ I already bought a different bow which I feel like is a way better bargain
Love my Sequel 35!
Tim I've been thinking of giving mathews lift a try , I have never owned a mathews.... what do you guys use at TAC ??? A 29.5 or a 33 ?
most go 33 if their draw length is longer than 28.. a little longer riser tends to hold a smidge better
@TimConnor13 thank you tim , much respect to you, you're the only one that got back to me
I will go with the 33 .
Interesting tech!
Trying to figure out the Easter egg in this video lol. Aside from your truck sounding like a motorcycle or a hole in your muffler...I just couldn't find it lol. I was peaking at the Easton arrows but I'm just being hopeful lol. Or maybe a magview sponsor?!?! lol
Definitely considering this bow!!
lol love the comedy in this vid, especially the “blew your …. Off” lol
Can you do the PSE Decree?
A bow shipped out with this bad of settings is ridiculous. I have never had any bow start out with a tear like this one had. Apparently Darton is slapping them together and out the door?
Yeah I can usually get a bow tuned by usually the rest why not line up the power stroke instead of playing with the tuning, I've used elite, bowtech and pses old system to tune but I found micro adjust or normal movements on rest work fine.
Wish it had a front pic mount
I’m so glad I bought a 31 1 month ago, buyer remorse, ahh whatever I love mine. But should of held out
I believe you can get the custom grip from a page called George’s Gizmos or something of the sort
If they got a bushing that is in the top of that limb pocket all they had to do was drill a hole and put two set screws on the side of the big screw could have told them that
You have to be able to patent the idea and make sure no other company has a similar design. Could have been easy but other companies have some form of this.
Chrono it with a peep in it, like the Elite has.
I hope you try the elite 35 ata withe max draw length 30 cause your 29 inch draw on that one it would be cooking God bless
The new elite that's 35 ata max draw 30 inch I can't think of the. Name
I would definitely take a look at the Elite Exalt 35. I shot it today and it blew me away. Im currently shooting a Lift 33 and an Alpha X 33 and long story short, I’m gonna turn one into the Exalt!
That thing looks like it holds like a rock
I hope You try the Mach 35 DS :P and the Exalt 35 that could be nice comparison :)
It seems like too me tuning with the limbs you could be missing the real reason that your tear is so bad wrong arrow the rest needs adjusted or the shooter just sucks that your trying to help and you help him with his form.
Hell yeah buddy, go lions!
As soon as you said darton I tapped out.
love ur videos dude
Thanks my friend
That took entirely too many arrows to tune.
Tim’s tuning schoool going live any day, not guaranteed to tune your bow, but guaranteed to have a good time
Very relative bow info here
Awesome bow
I don't think this is the right way to do any of that tuning. You should have gotten the tear the best you could with cam spacers then use all these features for fine tuning. I'm pretty sure that's how it is supposed to be done. Now that you maxed out these fine tuning features, you have no adjustments left after the strings settle and you get a couple hundred shots through it you won't have any adjustments left when you need them. The bow still isn't set up right, you just have the problems covered up in sketchy way. I would put it back like it was, space it correctly, then use these features to get it extra fine tuned. You will have a much better shooting bow and lots of adjustments left for when you need them.
💪🏼 Go Lions!
go lions!
Noice,,,, Leave the sleeves,,, lol blew everything off lol
very cool video. a review with actual "how to" content finally someone showing step by step how the new tuning system works and affects arrow flight.
I actually laughed out load at about 1:33
I am not getting it to be brutally honest. It is supposed to be so easy to set up that you do not need a bow press but that only makes sense if you are buying it online. So if you were to buy a bow at a store you would get it tuned there so unless you have to drive 100 miles to the store this really does not make much sense to me.
While I get the concept of end user tuning like Darton has done and BowTech did a while ago the pool of guys capable of tuning a bow are VERY small. Of those that can they even still go to local shop as they have paper tuning sheet setup and many bows like Mathews and Hoyt need shims. I have PSE that uses the EZ 220 system. While I do not need shims you still need a press and the special tool from PSE to pull the clips and the PSE parts they do not sell to the public. Or they did not they want you to go to local shop.
99% of self tuning is just pure marketing. The pool of guys capable of utilizing this is VERY VERY small. Of those that can they may not have the paper jig to do it so they go to shop. lol
Bowtech has not set world on fire with their system for sure. Mathews still outsells than 1,000 to 1 I'd bet.
Not hating on the tech. It obviously works. Like the Mathews Stay A Field systems where you can replace stings in the field. Literally never heard in my life of anyone using that. BETTER is take a second bow. I'm going out west. 2nd bow cheapest part of the trip almost. It is good marketing but that is all it is.
Lol. You can't make a paper jig? 5 bucks and 5 minutes will have you a functioning paper jig. Or you just bareshaft or broadhead tune to get to the same place. And I think you'll find there's many many bowhunters capable of tuning a bow... maybe most of them....
@@mittyvidz8259I agree 100%. This stuff isn’t that hard once you get started and it’s a lot of fun.
awsome channel sir but i will still never understand why get a new bow every season just a waste of money i would think lol
Jesus, America, F-150s
Harley Davidson Ford?! As I have said on other post reviews of the new Dartons, “why didn’t they incorporate a pic on the front of the riser for all the new streamline sights which has become the norm?” Now Tim, I understand that you are not Darton’s engineer so I’ll give you a pass.
may need a little work on conditioning;
you have got cheetos in your beard dude