Buttons Are Never Coming Back, and Touchscreens Are Here to Stay
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 THIS...
00:35 CARS & BIDS!!!
00:48 Ineos Grenadier
02:03 Modern Cars Have Too Many Features For Buttons
04:50 YOU May Not Want All Those Features, But PEOPLE Do
07:55 Back-Up Cameras Are Mandated
08:16 Screens Are Cheaper
08:53 Consumers Are Used To Using Screens
09:14 Basic Controls Should Not Be In Screens
10:36 Let's Review
11:31 Bring On The Hate
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Integrating less-used features into the screen is fine... but taking away AC knobs/buttons is insane
New teslas put the drive selector on the screen 😂. No doubt it'll still sell because of the value proposition but I don't think many people actually want that
That’s what’s weird to me. My last two cars had/have thermostats. I don’t touch the AC controls while driving
This is all anyone actually wants. Core (most used) features remain as buttons, settings you touch once ever can remain buried in touch screens.
@@blazemkiv3641i so agree. my car has an auto mode and i just change the temp one time when i get in
With auto headlights even that is ok.
People don't hate screens and only wants buttons. People hate EVERYTHING being on screens. Needing to navigate 3 menus on a potentially laggy screen on a cold day vs a single button is a huge difference for comfort
Precisely!
Yup, Doug bravely slaying the straw men here :)
@@jackclay3208 Not really. Most people I see complaining about lack of buttons are on videos about Teslas and there’s no lag and temp adjustment is not buried, it’s always on screen. The complaint then is that it’s not tactile and it’s a dumb complaint. If you’re that safety conscious use the voice commands or adjust the temperature properly before driving. I mean, it’s climate controlled. If you have it set for 70 degrees and it’s cold outside then it will heat up to 70. If it’s hot outside it will cool down to 70.
@@FriedChairs eh, I mostly agree with Doug, I prefer some things with physical controls, and don't mind other things on screens. It's just his style in these click bait videos - he builds up these exaggerated straw men to argue against, just to get the rage going and up the engagement on TH-cam... I am old, but I get how it works...
I don't like the Tesla approach, while others do - I think that's fine, as long as the market continues to cater to both of our tastes - there are still cars for me to buy. Once everything goes 100% screen, I will probably grumble...
@@FriedChairs I get a lot of people either like that, or are willing to adjust to the new interface but people can still not like it. I've sat in tons of Model 3's and adjusting the air vent to point at my face is a whole experiment that takes screen real estate away from the navigation and other stuff for the 30 seconds it takes vs 5 seconds
doug greatly underestimates the desire i have for my car to have an airplane cockpit
Buy a Saab dude
@@caideeor even 2007 Lotus Elise.
Buy a grenadier
@@jordanckelly62 And violently removes the screen and replace it with 2387 buttons
You are not the only one!
Doug is the type of guy to spend 10 minutes arguing against a position nobody has.
you mean arguing for* it
I don’t think people want everything to be controlled by buttons, but rather for everything not to be controlled by a touch screen. We just need a healthy balance of both
I think Doug hit the point perfectly, that being buttons are never coming back.
Climate control and radio/sound system should be buttons, as they’re used all the time. The rest of rarely used stuff can be on a screen.
My opinion is if you're supposed to use it when parked it is fine to be in the screen, but if you will likely use it while driving then it should be a tactile physical control.
Totally. It's mainly about having buttons for any feature you primarily use while the vehicle is in motion. Nobody cares about adjusting ambient lighting or door lock sounds while they're driving; that can all exist in a touchscreen. I never want to have to look at a touchscreen to change gears, adjust my wipers, or adjust my volume.
yes. bury all the gimmicky crap that stupid people think they want down in the touch screen menus. keep volume, window and temperature controls physical.
things like climate controls, headlights, gear selector (TESLA), radio, and other basic functions shold be buttons. the rest can be on the screen
That’s exactly what doug says in this video, yet people are still disliking the video without watching
Eh I don’t miss having buttons, at all
Tesla really dropped the ball with their new interior design language. REMOVING THE TURN SIGNAL/ WIPER STALKS just made a simple task much more complicated/ frustrating experience.
This is why screens should be limited to certain functions that are not used that often.
That's what Doug said...
That makes sense for car buyers but it doesn't make sense for the car maker. One screen costs a lot less to make than several components and you might think that is penny pinching and it is but that's a result of the fact that modern cars have to have an enormous amount or technology in them by law which needs to be paid for and customers will only put up with certain prices for cars.
Doug after 9 minutes does agree that there's basic stuff that shouldn't be in screens. This is what most people are saying. We don't want to adjust the volume on the stereo via the touch screen, we don't want to adjust our intermittent wiper timing in a touch screen, we don't want to select drive or reverse via a slider in a touch screen, we don't want to have to drag our finger on a touch screen to adjust where a air vent blows, we don't want to adjust the climate control's cabin temperature via a area on a touch screen. All this basic stuff that you want to adjust while driving, looking at the road, we want to be able to do via physical buttons & dials that can be done all by feel. We don't want captive touch buttons or sliders that don't provide feedback either. Buttons that click and dials that you turn, that's what we want. repeatedly pushing a up & down button to adjust the volume on the stereo drives me crazy, a simple dial is so much better. There is a happy medium and most car manufacturers have gone too far into touch screen integrations, Telsa is by far the worst offender here but even Hyundai & Kia need to pull it back a bit. The Grenadier having all those buttons works for that car because of it's intended market & use and it was such a glorious sight to behold a manufacturer going the other way. I've got a 2019 GM and that has a perfect balance between buttons, dials and touch screen. Manufactures had the balance right but then went too far.
Undoubtedly so.
And on the topic of "they put it in a screen for cost savings" can't be true for all of these items, because if I have to use a screen to adjust my HVAC vents, that's at least 4 more motor modules with position sensors added to the car just to move something I could move from a finger. That's a lot of added complexity for something so silly.
(But you do get the benefit of it being driver profile connected, so I can also see the other side)... Although I am never bothered by reaching for a vent.
Doug the type of guy to make up button extremists that don’t exist to have fake arguments with for the first 9:00 of the video
How dare you, I'm a proud button extremist
@@coltonmccuan7518 me too
Don't gaslight me Doug
Newport institute website. “What Is Gaslighting Abuse?
Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which the abuser attempts to sow self-doubt and confusion in their victim’s mind. Typically, gaslighters are seeking to gain power and control over the other person, by DISTORTING REALITY and forcing them to question their own judgment and intuition."
Nobody is distorting reality here.
Best comment here
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Sounds like he’s pressing your buttons
Doug, you missed the mark on this one. Nobody wants a button for every single feature. All we ask for is physical controls for basic features such as volume and climate
Tbf he did say that
You deffo didn´t watch the video.
@@Lexrolla-1 But Doug also claims that that is not what people are saying - he claims people want 'buttons for everything'.
Or maybe we shall say, we like buttons for frequently used features. How many of you frequently adjust ambient light intensity? This is something you setup once and that's it, although I'd guess that many people never does anything about it.
Did you not watch it? That's EXACTLY what he said!
I’m an UX Designer who worked in the automotive industry, designing parts of infotainment systems for brands like GM, Ford and Toyota.
The car’s cockpit or any hardware interfaces should be a subtle balance of functionality and ease of use. This is achieved through uniform connectedness, chunking (grouping) and intuitive proximity (relation of items between each other). If touch screens in cars would not have existed, car designers would still have the difficult and challenging task of arranging every slider and button in the best possible shape, size and position, considering the very creative space limitation, or reach of hand. And as a result, they would prioritize only the most used and important features, and the driver would be much better off. Not only in tactile enjoyment (which is a thing), but also safety, because buttons are always in the same place you left them.
Instead, thanks to Tesla, we started getting everything shoved into a screen, with very bad prioritization, lack of feedback and design guidelines made for laptops and tablets, instead of drivers who should actually look at the road. To me, this is a copout. An easy and cheap way for manufacturers to deliver functionality, instead of challenging themselves at every step, and coming up with better solutions (like heads-up displays) that would actually move the auto engineering forward.
So unfortunately, critiquing people who are critiquing touch screens, I think is actually a disservice to the automotive industry, and Doug should know better. Especially as a car enthusiast.
Absolutely!
A lot of people are saying that Doug is arguing against a position that no one has, which is true; nobody actually wants all these features to have physical buttons, most people want important functions as physical buttons and niche functions in the touch screen.
But i do, in fact, have a fairly extreme preference: i want every feature to be a physical button, and i want fewer features. Not once have i wanted to have interior mood lighting in a car.
I also have a phone, it has all the navigation and podcasts i need. I don't need to have these features redundantly in the infotainment system.
Doug: It's okay to put everything in the screens
Doug 5 minutes later: We should have the stuff people use all the time stay as physical controls and keep less used stuff in the screens
Oh, you mean like how ALL OF US have been saying to do it? No one cares that ambient lighting brightness and turn signal volume setting are in the screen, but things that get used EVERY DAY should 95% of the time stay out of the screen. And off of capacitive touch "buttons" as well.
Well its originally had to.
"like how ALL OF US have been saying" heh uh... no. If you Google "touchscreens should be illegal" you get like 50 different posts from all over the internet and social media with thousands of likes, upvotes, and support calling for a full ban on touchscreens. Hell, half the comments in this very post are doing just that.
i have never heard anyone say we want only buttons. this seems like an imaginary crowd. we want not EVERYTHING in the screen. that's always been the issue here.
@@DougDeMuro Mazda, on some models, has replaced the touchscreen with a screen + physical controller (I think is some kind of wheel). What's your opinion about his kind of middle-ground?
@@kuruzyka8134 ya, this entire video is one of those "imaginary arguments that don't actually exist", and of course if someone Googles it, it's 100% confirmation bias.
Who is saying NOTHING should be on screens, seriously who?! Doug spent 9 minutes convincing people who don't exist that screens can be useful before finally admitting that he agrees with us. Obviously there are functions that are better implemented on screens, but the way we're going eventually the turn signals will be an on screen function buried under 3 layers of menus.
Excellent comment. We need a balance - not everything on the screen
Screens are necessary for modern day vehicles because there are so many customizable settings you as an owner can do now. But what I can’t stand is the idea of putting functions needed to operate the vehicle on the screen. Things like gear shifter, starting the car (I’m sorry. But I need full confirmation that the car has been turned off. Not a hint. Especially if its an electric car. The last thing I need is to wake up the next day to a dead battery because I thought the car was off but wasn’t.) What happens if the screen crashes? And I have read an article on reports of Tesla owners left stranded because their screens crashed making their cars inoperable. I’d allow certain functions even headlight control on the screen if they have a setup like GM where they default to Auto and rarely ever need to touch them but wiper controls and high beams need to be quick access.
I know I'm an outlier, but I honestly would prefer there to be no screens in the car at all. Aside from a backup camera, every feature that "necessitates" a touchscreen is either unnecessary at best or a privacy/security threat at worst (also makes car interiors look terribly dated way faster).
And, yes, I am a used car buyer and I know that makes my opinion worthless. I'd buy new if they weren't so damn expensive.
I know Donald Duck likes buttons still... or does he?
Bang on, honestly I don't see anyone asking for zero screen. We know that cars have too many functions to go without them, but manufacturers putting everything on a screen is purely for cost savings, while they convince regular buyers who don't think at all that screens are "modern" and "trendy", when they're just saving money
I refuse to believe anyone (besides my 70 yo dad) wants only buttons or anyone (besides weird Tesla fanatics) wants no buttons. People just want buttons for button things and screens for screen things.
It’s not that hard to understand the nuance in people’s arguments about this.
Exactly. This is precisely the type of comment I see under every Doug's video where this is being discussed. I genuinely have no clue how he still doesn't get it. We live in a bizzare age where everything has to be either all or nothing. For example this thing, if you want less things in the infotainment then you hate screens somehow. Why? Have people really become so lazy to listen to the reasoning or is everyone just so eager to berate people by slapping lazy labels on them? Same with opinions. If you agree with someone on one thing then you must automatically agree with them in literally everything they ever said and if they ever said anything let's say racist, then you must be a racist as well. This mentality is so fundamentally wrong and it does my head in. I see it literally every single day.
Yep, just don't put everything on the screen. I want to change my climate fan speed with a dial or button, if I get in and the heated seat is on I want a button to immediately turn it off. Just keep basic things physical and that's all the "anti screen" people are "crying" about.
I don't want my center stack looking like an 00 Mercedes because I might have to dial a phone number, or assign a speed dial to someone.
Car stuff needs to be physical, all the gimmicks (lighting) and other features you seldom use can absolutely be in a screen, nothing wrong with that.
Oh, and I always will want an instrument cluster (or screen) displaying essentials in front of me.
Doug just wanted to put a video out for the algo so made a big straw man and took him down
The screen on my '17 Tacoma stays off all the time. I literally never use it except for the backup camera, which I could live without.
Generally if it was a button in 2008 it should probably always be a button.
Or if it is a digital button in like 2007.
You are wrong because car manufacturers are literally bringing back buttons because of safety and customers like it.
We do not want screens to go away completely, we want a balance of screens and buttons where the most commonly used functions are a button away where muscle memory can easily takeover after a few trips. Oh we'd also like an analog instrument cluster.
Analog instrument cluster? Why? A screen can display analog-looking gauges if that's what you like, and a full screen map if that's what another buyer likes...
Also, honestly speaking, Digital is more accurate than analog.
@@nottimhortonsin the past, analog is more accurate than digital obviously.
muscle memory works fine with tesla's climate controls...
Before: Save the manuals!
2024: Save the buttons!!!
Save physical media!
It is dangerous to use a screen while driving.
They should be unavailable to use while driving.
If that's inconvenient, tough. Safety first.
@@julianevans9548He literally said he believes that basic controls (climate, stereo, windows, etc) should remain as physical buttons
1985: Save the clocktower!!
@@julianevans9548that’s why tasks such as typing for navigation is disabled when you start driving.
TO be honest, the reason car manufacturers put everything on the screens instead of actual physical buttons is not for the sake of aesthetics but rather because it is "cheaper". Unlike physical buttons where you have to make or build them, screens just needs wiring and programming and that is literally it. It's cheaper
yes! this factor was missed entirely in the video
Who on earth says they want a button for camera contrast…I just want a way to turn the fan of my AC up and down
Doug is the kind of guy who wouldn't hit the point if he fell out of a boat in the middle of an ocean filled with the point.
No one is saying NO SCREENS. They're saying so putting everything into the screen. Sure, changing the language, put that on your screen. Turning up the temp on your AC? A knob. Use a knob.
I think Doug knows it, he's just making up a strawman to serve the idiotic point of this clickbaity video
For real, no one on earth is asking for a buttton for each setting in your car. All the settings, navigation, and radio/media stuff (other than volume knob and basic controls) can be done via touch screen and no one is complaining about that.
That’s literally what he says in the video, goof
He stated that in the video. What are you taking about?
He literally says exactly this in the video. Maybe you should watch before commenting
Nobody is complaining about pairing Bluetooth via a touchscreen. They are however complaining about adjusting where the climate vents are pointing via one.
I’m not anti screen in general but I think the average Tesla driver is willing to put up with more bad design choices than most buyers. I’ve seen lots of even die hard Tesla people on Twitter finally admit that removing stalks was a bad idea. It’s all about finding a happy medium.
Lol based on some of these comments it does seem like people are complaining that there’s a screen at all 🤦♂️
@@ethanlenning There's definitely going to be some of that. As doug said, it's mainly from the enthusiast crowd that think everything should be a wagon and then don't buy the ones that exist.
I will say, even if they are going to put a lot of functionality in a screen, I don't like how gigantic they are getting in everything. Size doesn't correlate to a better experience. The last gen S class didn't have a gigantic screen or a large amount of buttons. The interior was very elegant as a result. The new S class just has a gigantic ipad in the dash and doesn't look near as good.
They (Tesla fanboys) are defending their dumb engineering applications, especially their DUMB turn signal 'buttons' which are haptic, and the worst part is their placement to the steering wheel, which is absolutely horrendous and counter-intuitive. Consumer Reports already mentioned how unsafe it is on the new Tesla Model S, especially when the wheel is upside down.
Exactly. Although hopefully cars aren't as slow to pair as my 2016 Odyssey, which takes an eternity (~3 min, so I have to literally wait for it, because I'm not letting that distract me.
I miss the days of easily texting on my phone without having to backspace 100 times because I have to type on a screen instead of a physical keyboard. I guess I'm old, but these stupid screens drive me crazy.
Not even MENTIONING that you can physically FEEL for buttons while keeping your eyes on the road is an EPIC FAIL Doug.
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He didn’t say that at all. He said climate and radio and basics should be buttons.
I for One am still upset that They took away the CD Player.
Quite literally no one is asking to have buttons for everything
Crimate control, lights, music related stuff, turn signals etc should have buttons, while the amount of vibration you want in the left side of your lower back can probably do with an option in a menu somewhere
I would if i could - and I fold the screen down and leave it turned off nearly every day on my '14 a6. I got enough screens in my life. car is for drivin
I am. I want my interior to look like the cockpit of the space shuttle. Or, even better, Concorde.
@@C.I... I feel youre being sarcastic,but, I kinda, do! Theres so much overlooked and increedibly valuable with just muscle memory, touch, the sensation of engaging a button, feeling it respond that its been clicked, all without haveng to draw away visual focus that peoplem just overlook completely because err my tick tock is on my santa fe entire-dash-screen.. Do not want! Sure, a small screen in a measured location for the kind of data that a button is either not appropriate or just a better fit for, have at it, all good.
@@scottfindley1345 I swapped my Golf MK7 for a MK7.5. The volume control in that was moved by about 2". I spent the first week instinctively reaching where the volume control used to be.
"Crimate control" is that what they have in Japanese models? 😆
Doug, the kind of guy who loves fingerprints and sweat and sticky marks on touchscreens.
Look at ur keyboard bud !
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and you;'re the type that leaves the screen protector on forever
It is dangerous to use a screen while driving.
They should be unavailable to use while driving.
If that's inconvenient, tough. Safety first.
Doug kinda has a point tho.
Fact: In a few years Euro NCAP is banning important controls on touchscreens , so, no.
I have been a fan of Doug's for almost a decade, but his opinion on the Grenadier makes me lose considerable respect for him and his opinions as a professional automotive journalist. Its not the opinions of "just people who have seen the video who like that stuff" but a lot of other people too. It blows my mind that the very intentional airplane cockpit design is just not entering his head for whatever reason. It looks incredible to me (and a lot of other people) and would love to see a lot more interiors like it in the car industry. Truly a unique, legendary, and arguably timeless design. Does every single little tiny feature need to be on a button? No, that's why we got screens in the first place. Could the interior have been refined a bit better so switches aren't mounted so far back? Absolutely. But don't dismiss this entire genre of design because one company didn't execute it perfectly.
Edit: I am not advocating for 100% of a car's features to be in a physical button format. Thats absurd and he is correct about there being 8,000 buttons in that case. But balance is what we are talking about. This absolute minimalist approach to car interiors is what is making them dangerous, hard to use, and inconvenient. Balance is key.
An excellent comment. We do need a balance. I do not want to sit in a cabin with a cheap plastic wheel, four chairs and an iPad
I just want my volume, climate control, and seat adjustments as buttons and I’m happy. Having any of those on a screen only is idiotic
Friend showed me his new 2020 Audi A6. Wasn't impressed. Too many tacky screens including climate controls. I love the 2016 models.
I'd also like cruise control and highbeams available as a button, like on a stalk as usual.
@@WIImotionmasher agreed
On Tesla's, volume and seat adjustments are physical buttons. The climate is on the screen, but it's right there at the bottom left; you don't have to go searching for it. Also its auto climate, so the temp and direction of vests adjusts to your preferences when you get in. I find I barely touch it, except to raise or lower the temp by a degree or two rarely.
Mazda still doesn't use a touch screen, except if you are using apple car play/android auto, and are stopped. Using pretty much just a single knob is quick and easy.
You're looking at this from a very disingenuous angle. Most people DON'T want everything to be a button, what we're asking for is things like music and A/C to be kept as buttons and knobs while the more niche options get integrated into the screen.
This video missed the point entirely, it divides the world into 2 types of people: 1) screen lovers 2) screen haters.
When 90% of the people are somewhat in between. Most people are ok with screen for information stuff (navigation, music stations, performance/economy data) configurations you do once or when the car is parked (Bluetooth pairing, clock, lights time settings, etc) and what they don’t want is for things that you use while driving to be on the screen, like volume knob, temperature, ventilation, gear selector, wipers, turn signals, steering wheel, pedals, etc…
Totally. Most people like and want things like cameras and navigation and so on. And that's what screens are for. But changing the volume? Turning on the demister? Please. It has to be a button.
This feels like engagement bait, designed to anger the people that Doug says he agrees with at the end of the video
It is dangerous to use a screen while driving.
They should be unavailable to use while driving.
If that's inconvenient, tough. Safety first.
@@julianevans9548 it’s also dangerous to use a button while driving, that requires you to take your eyes off the road too, so this argument that screens are more dangerous than buttons is invalid. If you can’t manage your attention properly to adjust something in the cabin while driving, you shouldn’t be driving at all.
@@XavierAway no it's not button locations never change and can be found even without looking for it by feel and muscle memory so no
@@Lexrolla-1 nor do touchscreen buttons! What car are you driving that it switches around?! Obviously opening up menus is a different story but the fact is you have to look at where your hand is going whether it’s a physical button or a screen button, so I have no idea where you’re going with this.
@@XavierAway Tell me you've never driven a car without telling me.
How about this: buttons for functions you are likely to want to access while driving, eg wipers, climate, volume. Touchscreen for controls you can wait until the car is stationary to access: eg ambient lighting color, drive modes, navigation options.
As a UI/UX designer, I disagree with your assessment that buttons are not coming back. As you say, they should be used for essential functions, and so buttons on Tesla models and similar will come back.
There will be more screens, but there will also be buttons for most crucial functions. I see this happening all the time in UI/UX. When there is a change in the industry, things swing too far in one direction, then swing back and end up somewhere in the middle. And if that doesn't somehow end up happening, then I think it will be regulated by government organizations because of safety concerns.
In UI/UX I typically follow the 80/20 rule. I make 80% of the things people use most often easily available to find and use. The other 20% I tuck away. And the 80% most used might only be a few things, while the 20% might be hundreds. In a car, you shouldn't be adjusting your "rear ambient light color temperature slider", as stated in your example, while driving. While driving, you should be able to do essential functions such as control music, control cruise control, control air conditioning, adjust your seat position, adjust side mirrors, and more. The answer is not to put your gear shifter on a screen, like Tesla!
Furthermore, Tesla is not a good comparison. They are starting to tank. People like Tesla because it's the best EV, not because of the screen or because they are especially nice vehicles. They are fast and have long range. They are working with borrowed time, and that time is now running out on them.
Didn't the EU pass a law to force manufacturers to bring back buttons?
Only the turn signal and horn are mandated. Everything else can be a screen.
Euro NCAP will be punishing "excessive use of screens" in its safety ratings but I don't think there's any specific laws against them.
A low Euro NCAP rating Will result in a penalty with your insurance company.
They just passed that recently. Will take some time.
Please be real, please be real
I dont think anyone wants to get rid of screens completely so thats a strawman argument. Things like navigation cant be done without it. We just want buttons for frequent functions like AC, radio, heated seats, etc.
This is more of a safety issue than anything else
that comment where you said, "you probably buy used anyway" sounded very condescending towards your audience.
it probobly was meant to be tbh
I thought it was funny asf
Physical buttons will be the ultimate sign of Luxury in the future.
Already happening. See: Pagani Utopia.
This is why buttons WILL come back.
Screens aren't luxurious anymore. McDonald's has had giant touchscreen menus in many locations for several years now.
Dash-width screens haven't quite made it down to the cheapest cars yet, but they will soon. At that point Mercedes and all will stop trying to wow people with giant screens and go back to (some) buttons.
@@willmacfarland1427 Bugatti Veyron....
already are
This is what I think too. Consolidating literally everything into a screen isn't what customers want, it's just what's cheapest to manufacture. The highest end luxury cars will have buttons. You already see that with companies like Bugatti, their cars still have buttons because they wanted the interior to look timeless.
Doug, the kind of a guy who will argue touchscreen superiority and owns cars mostly without it 😂😂😂🤦
I would argue that's more coincidence.
You vote with your dollar. And Doug consistently votes for cars without touchscreens.
Ineos Grenadier sounds like a name Rockstar would have come up with for the main characters personal vehicle in GTA 6
As a car enthusiast myself, I wouldn't mind touchscreens at all if they just didn't make it take 10 minutes to do what it should take 10 seconds to do.
Like what?
Changing the radio station or temperature, @@anonymousfu.
@@landyachtfan79 You can skip songs using w/ the steering wheel button. Temp is on the screen, but it's right there at the bottom left. Takes 1s to change the temp.
We collectively agreed that you shouldn't be distracted by a phone while driving, but being distracted by a giant screen in the middle of your field of view? That's just fine, says car manufacturers.
Doug's the kind of guy who gets mesmerized by shiny, fingerprint marked, soon to be obsolete technology that he'll mock three years from now the way he mocks so-called info-tainment tech from three years ago.
Exactly this. I grew up in the '90s and he reminds me of dads who really wanted to get the next "cutting edge technology" but usually ended up with gadgets that would be dated in a couple years. Wholesome but misguided.
It only takes the echo of the first "this" to realize that this isn't an ideal filming location
And the darkness - you can't see the insides of the cars her reviews.
He doesn't know crap about filming anything, I think he's been using the latest iPhone on a tripod and editing in final cut (or iMovie) for YEARS.
Let alone anything about acoustics and actually making a youtube video enjoyable content for the senses
@@servissop151 His audio compressor settings have always been weird too. In the main videos, every time there's an edit point, his voice goes REALLY LOUD AND COMPRESSED then tails off into less compressed and quieter as the take continues.
I don't know what was worse about this video: Doug completely misunderstanding us, or the massive echo.
Plus the constant anxiety that he can hit a car with that 90s white office chair.
"And you probably buy used anyway" When you're resorting to the "well you couldn't afford it anyway" argument, you've probably gone astray from reason.
That was such a cheap comment and for me the sign he should not let himself riled up so much that he makes a rant video. It does not look well. It would be better to get that energie again for the car review videos as those are lacking the energie I loved so much from his earlier videos.
Most people are talking about climate controls in screens that require multiple touches while driving to adjust temperature vs a knob u click up or down for temp
I stare at a screen all day, i don't want one staring back at me while i drive home... ill drive old cars forever, glad i'm not like "everyone else"
That is what sucks about screens, you still have that light glare coming from them at night... (Very obvious in rural nightime areas). My f150 has a dimmer button to shut off the main screen and darken the cluster, but when it is so dark outside and there haven't been street lights for 50 miles you don't want much light inside your car. A Tesla style screen would really get to me, my 7" screen is enough that I turn it off sometimes.
Yep I'm the same, it's this reason that my next car purchase will be an older Toyota ute (pick up truck for you Americans), no screens, no pointless tech, I'm the driver not the vehicle, I don't want any tech stripping me of my driving and parking skills, which took years to perfect, and I'm still learning, I don't need any vehicle doing anything for me beyond getting me from A to B in one piece.
It blows my mind that people complain about screens in cars when there are still tons of older and reliable cars that don't have all of that, and even many new cars come with a good balance of screens and buttons, I don't get why people have to complain when there are many options for everyone to choose from!!
''Many people assume their own take, is the only take''. You described yourself well there.
Doug is blissfully self unaware
@@crktritual for years already. I like his reviews, but one have to take him with a grain of salt...
Man I hadn't watch Doug for a while, when did he get this condescending tone? Making funny voices mocking his strawmen enthusiast was right out uncomfortable. I guess all that money does change people.
This is very true. Together with one commenter who said: please stop arguing with commenters. It does not look well.
It's a cost cutting measure by these car companies to have just make 1 screen instead of all these buttons.
Perfect reason to keep buying pre 2010
I'm getting to the point where the only smart choice is to buy pre OBDII.
Just wish that I lived in Cuban climate. Cold, wet climate is really bad for both engine and chassis.
I'm looking at buying a facelift 2010-13 Volvo C70, it has lots of buttons for basically everything but it also has a screen which is used JUST for navigation, which was an option. Things like a button to turn off blind spot monitoring is great to have!
Screens suck. Takes the art away of the interior design, gauges, etc. Of course, they're more distracting, thus more dangerous as well. I can admit, it's nice having a map application open on one of them, but we don't need more than one screen, nor do we need the entire dashboard to be a screen.
This. Maybe I’m just an old curmudgeon, but other people’s reaction to the lack of switches makes me think I’m not alone in this.
You have a smartphone and a computer don't you? Screens are not useless. They are the best way to contain hundreds of features in one interface.
@@ruk2023-- He didn't say screens are useless. He said they're more distracting.
@@ruk2023-- Do you drive when using your smartphone or computer?
@bindingcurve Have you been diagnosed as an idiot or have you not realised you are yet? All I said was that we're used to screens and they are not useless. You're arguing about a different subject because you can't undertstand that there are multiple points of discussion.
Let me help you. It is possible for something to be good at it's job but inappropriate in certain applications.
Still I dislike screens and hate those who put 95% of their concentration fiddling with the screen whilst driving.
Doug is the type of guy who has two cars in the 6 digit spectrum behind him and he sits in a plastic walmart desk chair
2 cars that don't have touch screens 😂
The only reason everything in a car is getting incorporated into the screen is because touch screens are cheaper than physical buttons and knobs. Plus when next generation or face lift model comes to the market instead of redesigning the whole dashboard you can just change the overlay design of those touch buttons inside the screen which is way cheaper. Anything that all giant car manufacturer do is just to save cost as much as they can before the customer walks away.
I guess that is why VWs have touchscreens and Audis have physical buttons. I can imagine a time when Physical Buttons become a luxury feature for the most expensive cars. Ambient lighting is probably a fad that will disappear once people realise it only costs about £10 to implement.
I believe people don’t want to pay for excessive features they may never use.
It's like a cable TV,
So don't buy cars with all those features. Nobody's forcing you to.
@@anonymousfu try finding cars that don’t have lots of features
Car used to be for the enthusiast, made by the engineer, with all the ENOUGH features to keep you safe, to make driving easier but still you're in full control of your car.
Car these days are just a box of entertainment to impress the fools.
I used to be way more anti-screen until I lived with a car with a fast and responsive screen, now I really enjoy having a clean interior with the majority of items moved into the screen.
All I want is 150 buttons, a big V8 & a manual transmission dammit!
Or a V12
Interestingly, Doug sits in front of his two cars that don’t have screens to emphasize screen is better.
Edit: All touchscreen or all buttons are both insane. We need a good combination of screen and buttons. Personally I think the vehicle in around 2017 to 2020 have a good mix of them.. Right now screen is just too much.
For example, 2019 BMW 3 Series, 2017 Audi A4, are well optimized between screen and buttons, in my opinion.
Do you know what "Enthusiast" means?
The accessories and infotainment in those cars matter VERY little. Strange that this has to be explained to you
Doug’s the kind of guy who would release an April 1st video on April 28.
One thing I love when it’s a physical button is the drive mode selector. You always feel like a jet pilot when you turn on the sport mode by turning a little wheel or pushing a toggle switch 😊😊
It's just cheaper for manufacturers, that's it. Most important funktions should be with buttons.
Problem with touchscreens is that its fine AS LONG as you DONT drive. But even on the smoothest roads cars do vibrate that makes touchscreens difficult and outright dangerous to use while driving while buttons are very easy to use even while driving..
What kind of buttons would you press while driving? Between the physical buttons a Tesla does have, plus the automated stuff that it does without having to push anything, I don't find much need for anything more.
I only want fan speed and volume dials, so I can aggressively turn the fan all the way up during Texas summer days, and nervously turn the volume all the way down when I miss my exit. The rest can be in the screen.
Pilots are only able to have that many buttons, switches, toggles, and other physical controls because they go through years of training and many flight hours, and they always have a co-pilot.
Also, that kind of stuff is insanely expensive and yet another point of possible failure that will need constant inspection and repair/replacement.
None of this is feasible in a consumer vehicle.
When the touch screen dies your dash is useless.... radio useless, HVAC useless, well anything that used to have a button or switch is rendered useless with touchscreen.
Uhh yeah there are failure points for dash button controls, what are you on about? And what do you mean “when” the touchscreen dies…? As though that is some sort of major problem lmao. And even if that were to happen, I can still use voice commands to use those controls…so not sure what your point is. Also, the touchscreens and MCUs are held to a higher standard in vehicles (obviously), so the failure of such a critical component is a rarity
I'd like to see a regulation that ensures screens can be easily replaced - i.e. that have to have a standardised connector that allows for easy third party replacements.
Tesla's have been around since 2012, so in the last 12 years, how often has a screen died on a Tesla? I've heard of screens restarting on a Tesla, but never dying outright.
I used to say the same thing about my cell phone....
It is dangerous to use a screen while driving.
They should be unavailable to use while driving.
If that's inconvenient, tough. Safety first.
love that these companies emphasize safety and non distracted driving yet decide to shove a giant smartphone into every vehicle to use basic vehicular functions. Almost had some old dude drive right into me because he was messing around with the infotainment. I understand the use of screens but stuff like climate control, volume dial, and stuff you use daily should NEVER be in a screen
Of course, because EVERYONE WANTS to navigate 10 different menus with 50 clicks on a screen to open a damn glove box or change the AC.
INNOVATION!
Doug is the type of guy to write a speech about controversial car topics.
I’m not against technology in cars however I am for having physical buttons and switches instead of implementing everything into the screen.
Remember when we had seat control buttons at the bottom of the seat base or on the doorcards.
@@paulie-Gualtieri. They don't do that anymore? I guess I wouldn't really know since the newest cars I've owned were from 2017.
I don't think a car exists without some physical buttons, including Teslas. And yes, they have physical buttons for the seat adjustment.
Doug, the kind of a guy who will argue that manual gear shifter is superior to automatic but toggle buttons are inferior to touchscreen.
Btw. he knows exactly that the complaints about touchscreen are mainly for the basic most used features, like radio and climate control. This is typical for Doug click-bite to generate views.
Remember when Doug started and didn't have a superiority complex?
Those asking “who needs to adjust the temperature while driving?” seem to be living on a different planet. They never had kids, or a wife, or a girlfriend, or any passenger asking to adjust the temperature because they feel cold or hot? And of course tactile response is very important! The light switch on the microwave in my kitchen is a stupid screen “button” and I can never find it in the dark. A physical button has the advantage of being an object that you feel with your hand. The ONLY reason car manufacturers are getting rid of real buttons is because buttons are expensive.
Are there really people who take such a hard stance as "No screens" or "No buttons"? That's the most insane part of this video to me. They each have their benefits and drawbacks, I only get annoyed when something is implemented in a way that seems like its 100% benefit to the corporation and 100% drawback for the consumer.
You’re never gonna pry my buttons off my dash. Now, get off my lawn.
I’m a designer who works a lot in UI / UX design. And I’m here to explain why buttons work better than screens…. To a point.
I think we all understand that with any car going anywhere above 5mph, we should always be looking at the road. With buttons, we tend to have muscle memory and remember specific textures and shapes. Climate control and volume are probably the biggest things we tend to interact with. But with other cars like a tesla, that would be secondary to say a turn signal, lights, wipers or shifter. On a screen, we can’t feel those interactions. And while haptic is a thing, we tend to look at the screen first, with the haptic being something more in the lines of being a confirmation that we executed that interaction. So, by that very nature, we still have to take our eyes away from the road. We still live in a world where touch screen UI/UX is heavily regulated by vibration or sound notifications because the tactile feel just isn’t there. If anything, you’d have to remember where that button exists on a screen. That doesn’t sound bad, but what happens when you press the wrong button? If you’re driving and you want to mute your radio for a second, you had better make sure you know where that button is in relation to your reverse button. On a traditional car, they are in one, two different locations and two, the tactile feel is very different for both mechanical objects. Its very design is a failsafe.
I understand that cars are becoming more and more complicated, but a lot of us are using those screens for the initial setup and using apple car play or android auto 99% of the time, and that’s either podcasts/music, answering a phone (which is usually a button on a steering wheel if they integrate it correctly) or using satnav.
What I think a lot of this deals with is cost savings. Why create a new plastic or metal part when most things are digital, right? They save money, and they market touch screens as the next generation or high class. When they’re just saving money, but not passing that savings on to us. And now we have to deal with over the air firmware updates (and without patch notes mind you.. you have no idea how much that upsets me), with screens that sometime freeze or lag and without options for you to add third party screens or head units. It’s the whole TV/VCR combo, and something I saw with Hoovie. The screen might work, the radio might work, but the hvac system is bugged and no longer works. Now you have to replace the entire head unit because if one doesn’t work, all of it doesn’t work.
I think a combo of both is necessary, but again, it’s about cost savings and these car manufacturers need to hire UI/UX designers but also industrial designers. But you know, capitalism, and that cost savings don’t go to us.
Thank you and have a great week!
So if look at my cellphone while driving i'm a menace to society. But if i look at a screen ten times larger than my phone while driving ,i'm good. It makes total sense.
He says all this, but then at 9:15 he randomly arbitrarily picks things he values to have buttons should have buttons. Does @Doug Demuro not realize his priorities are not national? God forbid he have some accessibility issue or handicap that might just make things easier for not him specifically.
Car companies in 2025: Manuals are returning!
…manual gear shifter accessed via center touchscreen.
The shifter is connected to the transmission electronically instead of mechanically
3rd gear and above is available for a monthly subscription of ONLY 59.99$ (which will absolutely not turn into 159.99$ at an absolutely random time in the future)
It is dangerous to use a screen while driving.
They should be unavailable to use while driving.
If that's inconvenient, tough. Safety first.
@@julianevans9548 stop repeating the same comment over and over again, 1, nobody asked and 2, nobody cares
There's only 3 things I want to be physical: AC knobs, volume knobs, and and gage cluster (digital gage clusters are cool but analog ones are just cooler) everything else can be in a screen.
Who has ever said these things Doug? Who are you arguing with? You're afraid of the comments Doug? Why? Because you're gaslighting us right now?
I've literally never heard anyone say they want buttons to control anything but the very functions you yourself agree on and mention in this video.
Euro NCAP say they won't give 5 stars to cars that don't have physical buttons for basic stuff starting with 2026. I think the EU will also start regulating this. Imagine having a Volvo with less stars than other cars that are cheaper because of some buttons. That's not good marketing. And also, huge touchscreens are a safety problem so they shouldn't be pushed so much
I think touch screens that can be controlled by buttons is the best solution
I had a 2017 C300 Mercedes fully loaded. Not a touch screen but everything was controlled with a knob and buttons. It was the best!
mazda
my 2017 A4 has a control wheel which I find easier than my dad's 2023 A4 with no physical infotainment control, and new things like the garage door opener is integrated into the screen.
BMWs iDrive with the rotary wheel is flawless. Sad some newer cars are losing it. Some of us don’t like finger prints.
It is dangerous to use a screen while driving.
They should be unavailable to use while driving.
If that's inconvenient, tough. Safety first.
I'm surprised he didn't mention the capacitive touch 'buttons' that aren't screens but feel like it when pressing. Those are the worst. Like they already decided to not put the feature into the software, but still felt the need to make it a glossy touch sensitive input.
Also screens can work if the software is responsive and intuitive. This is something Tesla has nailed because they are basically a tech company that makes cars. Automakers that are trying to become software experts are discovering just how challenging good UX/UI design is to make, hence the popularity of android auto / apple carplay.
Just insane and sad times when practically and safety doesn’t matter anymore. Manufacturers are cutting costs as we speak and prices of new cars are getting higher. When climate controls and turn signals are integrated into screens you know there’s no hope. Plus, no matter how good looking a car is from the outside, screens just makes the car quickly dated on the inside with a lot of issues to face in the future.
I get the unpracticality and cluttering of too many buttons, but at the same time you can't tell me that with all those buttons overhead that you don't feel like you're sitting in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon.
I don't hate screens, but certain frequently used and critical functions should have physical buttons.
It's interesting you mention seat massage. My father's Explorer Platinum has massaging seats which are controlled in the screen, but can also be fully controlled by the lumbar button mounted on the side of the seat by pressing the center button. I find this much more convenient and safer than navigating through menus in the screen.
I miss my Radio Preset Buttons as well as basic AC Buttons. I went from a 2020 BMW X7 to a 2024 X7, I could not be more disappointed. I miss the Buttons, the PRND, The user friendly interior, they also removed the comfort lock/unlock from the rear doors, removed the Start/stop switch. And worst of all I bought the X7 M60 for the power, I dont want the hybrid. My old X7 will go down as my favorite family car I ever owned or was ever Made.
Also, as an aviator. You will be surprised when you find out how many touch screen functions are in modern airplanes. Yes, I'm talking about little Cessnas too!
It's called the "glass cockpit".
as usual, it seems like the middle ground is true. Actual buttons and switches are needed for essential stuff that needs instant control (indicators, lights, etc) and screens are good for that stuff that doesn't need instant control (setting the time the interior lights are on, etc) Both extremes of having all switches or moving all controls to a screen are dumb in modern cars. A mix is best
I have never met a single person that wants to browse yelp on a screen in their car
You want to search for a restaurant, you use your phone. When you find one, you connect your phone to the car for navigation. No one uses the native car interface unless that car doesn't have Android Auto nor Apple CarPlay (aka a Tesla).
It's not just that screens are the problem. It's that there's too much needless features. Interior light color warmth shouldn't need a button because it shouldn't need to be and option.
My daily driver has cabin lights on or off by twisting the turn signal. We need simpler cars, especially in this economy.
I dont consider myself a car guy but that doesn't mean I demand my car has a built in sear massager with 9 different settings.
Wow Doug is out of touch.
He really is
the type of guy to be out of touch with touchscreens
People wanting physical knobs and buttons for everything and have a crazy hate for touchscreens in cars are more out of touch.
Tesla recent design language with the removal of the turn signals / wiper stalks just made a simple task difficult/ challenging/ frustrating to make. Screens are fine for “not so in use” applications.
Also, options in screens really took off when backup cameras became popular, and eventually mandated in 2017. Manufacturers said "well, now every car has a screen, what can we do with it?"
I think doug is reading the script off his pc
3:39 No I don’t want buttons for the plethora of added features that you mentioned. However one would appreciate buttons for features you’d use extremely regularly. Volume Controls, Heating Cooling Ventilation. Seat Memory. Seat movement, some other audio controls, Cruise Control, Drive Mode selector etc.
Tesla has physical controls for volume, cruise control, and seat movement. You don't need seat memory because the car knows who's driving based on the phone that connects and automatically adjusts the seat (and mirrors, climate, vent positions, driving settings, etc). Seat and steering wheel warmers come on automatically depending on ambient temp and weight in the seat. Climate is on the screen, but it's right there at the bottom left. Drive mode selector is on the screen for newer models, and I agree that that's a step too far.
Thats the thing i hate about Tesla. Theres almost no buttons. Im fine with touchscreens a long as there are enough buttons
Buttons feel nicer honestly compared to tapping a screen
That's why SEXY buttons exist. People still want button control for some things.
Have you actually driven one?
@MrLSDownliner I haven't but I know for a fact having the shifter as touch screen buttons is a horrible idea
@@stupidvideos1449 you know for a fact but yet when someone tells you that has and owns one and tells you, you’re wrong would you accept that? It’s actually not that big of a deal you get used to it easily. But since you’re so set in your mind “you know for a fact!” But you don’t, it’s just your misinformed opinion.