Why Do The Orthodox Pray To The Saints?
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While debating between catholic vs orthodox who is the real descendant of christ. The protestant should not even in the picture beacuse they protest everything..😂😂
I do not talk to the saints that have passed, because I am not God. Scripture also instructs us that we should not be talking to any other spirits other than the holy Spirit.
We should not be talking to the dead as believers. Take heed to the warning in the scriptures or do as thou will versus His will.
No person has greater access to God than Jesus Christ and He alone is our mediator between us and God the Father (1 Timothy 2:5)
God's word is final.
Anything outside of it is a man-made.
May God have mercy on us all.
The proof is also amongst the Saints!☦️
This is where I’m confused. I thought everyone that dies are resting in peace until the 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. And then the dead in Christ shall rise first.
That’s what I thought. I’m surprised no one talks nearly enough about that
You have story about The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31 where rich man saw Abraham and talked with him. The Saints in Heaven are quite aware of events on earth.
I am protestant and I pray intercessional prayers to the Saints. Even though protestants don't typically do this, I have felt for years that it's similar to asking people I know to help me pray over certain things with me.
Ok, God is the only one who is Omnipresent, that is one of the characteristics of God, if you are communicating with dead souls and you think they can hear you, you are making them "god" in your head and therefore it is idol worship.
@@josephpilkerton5709 you are not Christians in true sense. Only early church was was untill Rome merged it's religious paganism with early church. Also," the oldest branches of Christendom "according to you, are the most wicked institution in world and history, and in the Bible called a whore. Where are your fruits? Even though we all are theologically called" Christendom "we are not the same at all. But the way you think and process reality will keep you in that pagan religion.
@@josephpilkerton5709 also it is not about just answers, but the fruits , move of living God between us
@@josephpilkerton5709 as I stated before, if only God is omnipresent, therefore, dead ppl can't hear you . If you believe they can hear you you believe they are omnipresent and God, and that is what idol is
@@tinaperich1260 Rome wasn't the whole of the Church ever. It was one local church in the West so your assertion is ahistorical and wrong. We are the Orthodox, NOT Roman Catholics. Our Church has been under persecution for 2,000 years even by Roman Catholics. Orthodox Christianity is true and whole Christianity.
Study will help you. Open your heart to God to show you the truth. Stop fighting truth for prelest.
As an 'unborn' Orthodox the pride of Protestant poison still affects me from time to time, the struggle is real for me. The verse in Timothy (I won't quote it) has deep roots. For any other ex-protestants struggling with this I suggest looking up St. Silouan 'Keep your mind in hell and despair not'. The pride of a personal God is detrimental to the true unity found in the true Church, we (x-prots) need to lay our minipopism at the foot of the cross and walk away. The prayers of St. Silouan are a great strength to those of us who are inclined to the 'God I know' heresies. He's not 'my' Father in heaven, He's 'our' Father in heaven. We are His body (the One, True, Catholic & Apostolic) the Church. Lord have mercy, please have mercy for my outspokeness, Your will be done.
Thank you for your wisdom
Thanks for the insight, I say that as a Protestant Lutheran.
Jesus said He is our Abba also.. You can not DENY that God takes care of us individually also, as He takes care of His church, as a community.
As I said "saints" are those who are saved who's God is Jesus Christ, saint means "separated" , not a dead person googling from heaven. The Bible clearly said that Christ is doing intersession for us from heaven, why does He need help of a dead person's soul? It is twisted trend that somone who is saint is somone who was so good on earth that has achieved some "superman" characteristics and after they died their soul have special abilities!!!!?????🤪 In heaven is telepathy, why then angel needs to bring prayers in their hands to God, if angels are ministering spirits who serve those on earth, not souls of dead in heaven, why they need to bring "up" prayer to God? It is simply false and twisted interpretation of the word "saint".
@@tinaperich1260 yes. All of us are saints, who are born again. (And we are all priests, also.😏 I don't know if they understand that pastor is the shepherd of the church, and that after the reconsiliation at the cross, everyone of us are priests, since we don't need anyone between us and God anymore)
Thank you, as always.. The Lord honors his saints who have honored Him...How lovely..how right..
Would we not be HAPPY and JOYFUL and AMAZED WITH AWE before the Lord if WE were allowed to be worthy to be near HIS THRONE and pray for those left behind?
Wouldn't that be one of our great desires? (Gives me something to hope for...)
Thank you for this today...
I have never had that thought before. It was prompted by your words.. Thank you..
I think you can pray when you die, but living cannot communicate with the dead, period.
@@tinaperich1260 The Saints are not dead, they are very much more alive than we are like everyone who is in Heaven
@@tinaperich1260 You can pray when you're alive. What are you talking about? Also humble yourself before God and acknowledge that he can make possible for some people to hear, to see and even to speak with the people that are not alive in the flesh. Those were usually people that have a pretty ascetic life and made a promise to dedicate their life to pray, glorify and serve God every single day of their life. And don't confuse just dead people with saints that have a special place in heaven and even some angels serve them by God's command because He trust their pure righteousness and can serve God by helping people with His Holy Grace through them.
My friend, be humble and with open heart before God, because that's the only way to the truth.
@@Aureliu5D now you even know whom God trust? You must be a secretary in heaven 😂
@@tinaperich1260 Just study more, man. Especially old scriptures and apocrypha. You seem like a gnostic, but so sad to see how little you know and especially how little you understand. I can see that all your knowledge come from your own desire to organize the truth. It doesn't work like that. You either are revealed with truth or simply not. The question is : are you open enough to acknowledge it when it will come right in front of you?
Thank you Father Peter
Athanasios Mytilinaios is a fire flamed theologian of our time through the Grace of Holy Spirit
I am Protestant (Southern Baptist). I enjoy and learn so much from your teachings. I am so proud of your courage and stregnth in your posts. Thank you for the lessons and encouragement.
You are so welcome!
GLORY BE TO GOD!
As a follower of Christ, you are on the right path. May you put Him on, be clothed with Him.
I pray that they will assist you on the narrow path of salvation and you will make much progress in uniting your every thought to Christ until such a day as you die in the waters of regeneration in the One Body of Christ and rise a new creation, Christ all in all within you!
the bettet title is "praying through and with the Saints" not "pray to the Saints"
I always wonder how the saints are able to hear our prayers? Also if we don’t pray out loud and ask for their intercessions. Does that mean they can hear/see our thoughts?
Christ lives in them, as the apostle Paul said. God does everything. But they’re ALIVE in Him. They didn’t melt into nothing nor are they dead. These are blasphemies. So, since they are alive in Him they hear prayers by His Grace - just like they did in this life.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you Father!
Very well said Fr. Peter! May God enlighten the mind of those who went their own way and reject the teachings of the Church (teachings that come from Christ Himself ofc)!
The Protestants and Romans have twisted Christianity into something far from purity…I pray for all of them and for all of us who are sinners. The Saints pray for us and I can not offer enough thanks and gratitude to them
@NM They’re part of the larger body of the living Church, and remember when we pray to them or out very own loved ones that have passed on we do not worship them but are merely communicating with them our thanks and letting them know they are not forgotten. The Bible tells us to worship God with all of our senses and by extension giving thanks and remembering honorable and Godly people is worshiping God who created all.
As a Catacumen, formerly of a Protestant upbringing, I can say, I failed to understand the utter paradox in saying that the "dead" in Christ could not pray for me and then, in the next breath, those who have died in Christ are not dead but our Great Cloud of Witness surrounding The King's Thrown. WHO better to pray for me then those who made it!?!?!
I am ashamed of my very pridefully ignorant misunderstanding. May God have mercy on we, who are still in darkness, may we all make it to His Glorious Light! Amein.
I am Lutheran yet keep finding myself drawn to Orthodoxy. Prayers for the journey would be appreciated!
You have our prayers! 💕
I am a former Eastern Orthodox convert, who eventually left it for the Gospel-- thank God. I would greatly recommend watching Joshua Schooping's videos here on TH-cam, which details the greater theology underlying Eastern Orthodoxy that is never told to inquires, and one only finds out much later. It's the same tactic that cults take in order to gain converts, and then slowly drip the heresy and idolatry in so that they will accept it later. Please, do extensive research into their actual theology and ecclesiology. The more you learn of their official doctrine, the more horrifying it is. As a former vehement believer and follower of Eastern Orthodoxy for years, knowing what I now know about their beliefs, practices, and official dogma (after having simply done extensive research into these matters while I was Eastern Orthodox), I can very confidently say that, if somebody consciously knows and believes all of the official dogma of the Eastern Orthodox organization, then they are unambiguously, objectively not a Christian. I cannot confidently speak to the average member of the lady across the world, who is often ignorant of these traditions and dogmas, but if somebody knows and consciously believes their official deeper theology and practices, then it truly bears no resemblance whatsoever to Christianity. Reading through the first 300 years of church fathers especially bears this out very clearly. Modern Day Eastern Orthodoxy simply does not resemble the early church at all, other than possibly a few superficial things.
@@moiseybeliy5458 Holy Orthodoxy has the true Gospel. Anything else is not. Your speech betrays that you do not know Orthodoxy for everyone who has opened his or her heart to God finds the teachings of Holy Orthodoxy to be beautiful and truth in God. Those who do not find it abhorrent. That is prelest.
@@moiseybeliy5458Liar
As a newer RC God bless you I was so anti Saints and praying to them but I now feel and know that I have a bigger family in heaven where as I felt so alone when I was in a full church with screaming Pentecostals and all that jumping and dancing. I feel so loved now and truly believe in the intercession of the Saints. 💕
Please come home to Holy Orthodoxy. 💗
@@LadyMaria Why would he come to orthodoxy when the Catholic church is superior in everything compared to the orthodoxy. It has everything that the orthodox church has, and more than that.
@@philipgligorov5848 The Roman Catholic Communion is not superior in any way. It lacks.
Philip Gligorov - Only a man quite ignorant of Holy Orthodoxy could say this.
@@OrthodoxEthos A man baptized in orthodox church, living in orthodox country and having first hand experience in orthodoxy tells you this. I am rised catholic by my mother which is born catholic. My father is orthodox. So, what I say, is by my experience. I have been in Albania for example, and I was amazed by the orthodox church there. But in my country, the orthodox church is deas. It has zero social influence, it barely has any spirituality, because it's all about material things. Few days ago I was in an orthodox monastery. Not a single monk was there, instead a man who works there, and who was only trying to sell us things. And he was saying things like, drink this water, it is for good health, or go there and make a circle around the table for good luck, and then leave some money overhere so God be mercury eith you. I was just watching my sister going through all of this and wondering where has orthodox christianity went... I honestly feel very sorry, I want orthodoxy to be based on real christian values. I want people to attend liturgy, instead of lighting few candles and then leaving the church. Less then 1% of orthodox believers attend sunday liturgy in my country. While the number of catholic christians is very small, those who are present, attend maybe around 30-40%. So we aren't also as we should be, but the difference is huge. Sometimes orthodox parents come to our church to baptize their children because in their Church is too much expensive (100 euro for one child). While in our church thr baptizm is free.
Beautiful thank you for bringing up this topic☦️
Since you guys are claiming that this is similar to asking other Christians to pray for you, even dead Christians, so far, this does no apply only to the saints, but to EVERYONE WHO IS A CHRISTIAN.
So can i pray to King Hiraclius of Byzantium, since he was also a Christian, or King Ezana of Eksum, since he was also a Christian.
Is that also fine?
Yes, it's fine, but it probably won't work to the same degree. It's one thing to ask for help from the king's minister and another from a mere peasant in the field.
Too full of yourselves to ask for prayers from another???
Prayer for others is much more powerful than praying for yourself.
No,.. it's just that to pray through the Covenant of Faith you must still be alive, thus still within the Covenant of Faith given to Abraham for those who Believe,,.. so we Pray for each other,..
Protestant say
Why do you pray, to dead people.
Why don't they understand, Saints are more Alive then We Are?!
We are all saints 1 Corinthians1:2 ......dead saints cannot hear you and give you further rewards eccelesiastes 9:5
@@12.522why you quoting ecclesiastes? Did you even understand ecclesiastes?
Protestants (low church; Evangelicals and Baptists mostly) from my experience seem to read Acts 10:34 in isolation (do they do keyword searches?) and not in context and stop there in why the Saints shouldn't have honor from anyone, not even God. They usually use the KJV given the wording of God being no respecter of persons. Thus they then believe they too are to be no respecter of persons. (I've even had that verse dropped on me to explain bad attitudes in correspondence.)
"34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:"
-- Acts 10:34
Although the passage continues as we know with:
"35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
Interesting.
As a Sufi muslim i also pray to the saints
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Church made by st thomas
Catholic🤢
Protastant not bad
Orthdox was true not today 😢
Don't pray to saints please
Okay let's began, the passage you quoting from revelation has nothing to do with heavenly saints interceding for us. But the prayers of the saints (people of God) ON EARTH bringing their Prayers to God (Revelation 12) it's not a intercession to the saints.
John 14:10 No one comes to the Father Except through me. Ik this passages is abour salvation, yet we see that no one can acess the Father through any means but Jesus.
1° Timothy 2:5 There's ONLY ONE intermediator beetwen man and God, which is Jesus Christ.
The bible clearly speaks that we shouldn't comtact the dead, in 1° Samuel when Saul summoned Samuel to speak to him, after that Saul was doomed for he contact the dead.
Isaiah 8:19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?
Besides, the saints are not omnipresent, they can't hear your prayers because they ate with God in heaven, enjoying God's presence. Saying that they can hear your prayers, it makes them gods since Only God is Omnipresent and omniscient
Protestants are so ARROGANT. You are not the one whom decides if you can Talk direct with God or not is HIMSELVE the one whom decides that and he always used Angels and Prophets to send messages, now are the Saints.
We are to honor the Saints but not pray to them. It would be like praying to mary because she is the mother of CHRIST and why would you need to have someone else help or try to convince our LORD for anything that is good when JESUS is kind, good, gracious, loving, merciful, generous, loyal or like the word in hebrew khesed. 1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Who better than to pray to than THE SOURCE itself THE LORD JESUS. It's like saying HE might not do because HE is not all loving or all good. Remember without faith in our LORD JESUS it is impossible to please GOD. Unbelief in itself is a sin. May THE grace of THE LORD JESUS be with you all.
Praying to Mary & the Saints is unbiblical!
There's a difference between asking family or friends to pray For you, to praying To dead people!
Jesus is both Mediator & Intercessor. If Jesus is sufficient for both those roles then why do we need to pray to Mary or one of the saints, who by the way, are dead and departed?
Yes, they are alive in heaven, however, there is no scriptural basis for praying to them, rather the opposite is true!
Intercession is biblical for you and I who are living, to pray FOR one another, but not to pray to departed people. The saints in heaven may be privy to the prayers of the saints on earth. However, nowhere in scripture are we instructed to pray To Them!
The Bible actually instructs us to call on God not the Dead!
Isaiah 8:19-20 Someone may say to you, “Let’s ask the mediums and those who consult the spirits of the Dead. With their whisperings and mutterings, they will tell us what to do.” But shouldn’t people ask God for guidance? Should the living seek guidance from the Dead? Look to God’s instructions and teachings! People who contradict his word are completely in the dark.
By praying To them, we are taking the attributes of God and placing them on mere humans! Only God is Omnipresent(everywhere at once), Omniscient(knowing everything at all times), Omnipotent(all powerful) & Omnibenevolent(supremely Holy & Good).
If the word of God tells us to come to Him directly, then why do we need to pray to anyone else???
Take a look at the following scriptural references:
Romans 8:34
[34]Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes INTERCESSION for us.
Hebrews 4:14-16
[14]Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
[15]For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
[16]Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 7:23-27
[23]Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.
[24]But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
[25]Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make Intercession for them.
[26]For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;
[27]who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
1 Timothy 2:5
[5]For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
Acts 4:12
[12]Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Jeremiah 29:12-13 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.
Philippians 4:6-7
[6]Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
[7]and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:26-27
[26]Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[27]Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Matthew 6:6,9-15
[6]But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
[9]In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
[10]Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
[11]Give us this day our daily bread.
[12]And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.
[13]And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
[14]“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
[15]But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
1 John 5:14-15
[14]Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.
[15]And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.
2 Chronicles 7:14
[14]if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
Psalms 17:6
[6]I have called upon You, for You will hear me, O God; Incline Your ear to me, and hear my speech.
Psalms 102:17
[17]He shall regard the prayer of the destitute, And shall not despise their prayer.
Psalms 145:18-19
[18]The Lord is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth.
[19]He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them.
Proverbs 15:29
[29]The Lord is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.
Romans 10:13
[13]For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9-13
[9]If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
[10]For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
[11]As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
[12]For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
[13]for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
What does mediating for us “as man” mean? The Lord Christ is fully God and Man but he only intercedes for us as man?
The best evidence I have found still doesn't fully support it. Onias postmortem interceded for Jason, so this is truth, but I don't see anything about Jason asking Onias to do this. Anyone with further studies for me?
If I had an important supplication, I definitely would go to the man in charge, and not to the janitor if you get my drift.
Remember boys and girls your relationship is with God. No it’s time to act like it…..
"Protestants" don't believe that the saints can't pray for us, it's just that WE can't pray TO the saints. The verse in revelations does not state that they prayers are directed to the saints and then passed on to God, rather the prayers 'in general', 'as whole' are offered.
There is intercession on earth, but not between saints on earth and the ones passed away. If there is... we simply don't know. The problem is practical and dealt with in the reformation: too much focus on humans, icons, statues etc. The Church developed the cult of the saints, which developed too far. People e.g. in The Netherlands don't seek Jesus, but only Mary.
Honest question: is there one scriptual reference from the Bible that speaks about saints and Mary interceeding for us?
God said in the bible that, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Anything else is the work of the devil. It is not written to get saints to represent our Forever Living God in Heaven, but only on to Jesus Christ. Honoring is one thing, but having intercession is a whole different thing.
Hello I’m having trouble understanding how to start my prayer when praying to saints and the theotokos can you give me some advice on how to start the prayer towards the saints and the theotokos and things to include ?
And God never let anyone of his prophets to be killed from a nation of disbelievers. No one of them this way when they try to catch Jesus god brings him up to the paradise and juda was crucified and Judas face was changed to appear for the people that they want to crucified him like it’s Jesus but was juda . That justice correct justice
Ofc we should give them the respect they deserve but that's the issue ppl confuse respect with worship for some reason and start praying to them asking to do things or ppl will say we ask them to pray for us but WHYYY when there's only one God and one mediator between mahn and God and this Jesus.. u can directly tell ur problems to God and he would listen y go the extra length to ask someone.
James 5:16 - "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working"
Righteous is a holy believer, it does not mean saints, nor anywhere in the bible.
I'm trying to get the idea behind saints, but it's not there.
You should quote actual Protestants and not your own guy on what he says about the Protestants because magisterial Protestants like Lutherans do NOT say the saints can’t pray for us nor that we don’t need their prayers. They can and do pray for us and we need all prayers. But we do not invoke the saints for prayer.
It's not canon law to pray to saints. So what's the big fuss about? If someone doesn't want to pray to saints, then they shouldn't. Unless it's binding on ones soul to pray to saints to be saved, this shouldnt be pushed.
Was there Israel ? Or when Moses took the children of Israel from Egypt and go to this land therefor they found another people who was living there ?
You have one person to pray to Jesus not the dead(saints) praying to the dead is strictly forbidden in the bible.
So why it’s for the Christian’s the cross a simbol what they love so much ?the love the cross where Jesus died more then God himselves ? Or they love the cross cas Jesus died for their sins to save the world ? If your neighbor do something wrong and the police come and kills your son for the neighbor Sind it’s that justice correct? I don’t think so so in gods world it’s a pure justice what we human what he has created cannot understand cas we are small . This way if you read coran your eyes and hearth will open and you gonna understand the Bible who was manipulated by the humans . Just read and see the truth
And juda was the one who sell Jesus don’t forget who’s juda
The only connection with God it’s just one directly phone line. Wich one it’s that ? And this line it’s free all the time for everyone. This is the prayer and this is the connection directly to him simple. You make it complicated with a second line like you call the Doktor office and a secretary or Assistent will answer and she’s gone tell you the Doktor it’s busy now he can talk to you and the sister is gone notice what you need and transmit this later to the Doktor and a few week later the Doktor it’s ready for you. No way you want the connection with God just call him alone no others between humans and God. Jesus pray to God also not to the saints first st Andre it’s god there I wanna tel him this and that and all the others messengers prophets have been prayed directly to him. Don’t associate nobody with God in prayer to him. Says Jesus also . From where did you take this kind of teachings??
Someone help me with this, from what I know the bible says Jesus is the only mediator between God? Am I wrong on this? Are there versus saying to pray to Saints? Isn't there a verse where he says anybody who believes in the father is my brother sister and mother? Does that mean he respects Mary but doesn't elevate her to a position of glory?
In Hebrews 12:1, who do you think the great cloud of witnesses are?
We who are in Christ are also saints. Yes God glorifies his saints, but nowhere does it say to pray to them. They can be honored but prayer to them places an unnecessary middle man between us and the Father or Jesus.
Asking one to pray for you is praying them pray for you. Prayer is petition. I guess if I pray for you I'm considered a "middle man". We must ask prayers of all the Faithful (those with Christ in the hereafter are alive in Him as He is God of the living, not the dead). The Faith isn't all about you, it's about the whole. Christianity in its truest form is communal. The relationship with Christ is personal and communal. That's the Church, the faithful who are baptized into Him and Chrismated to be sealed with the Holy Spirit, who commune of Christ Himself.
We pray to God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) directly and ask others here and in the hereafter to pray for us.
Here the question is, that those saints do have some power while being dead? Has God ever said it will give power to the saints?
Are these saints defined by God or himself said that particular person is a saint?
If not, then praying to saints is idolatry
And call nobody father or mother in this world then your own parents . Tells you something also
This are the ancestors from the Palestinian people who was already there bevor Moses came into
And if Jesus is God who ruled the world when they kill him and he was dead?? Who gives him selves live again ?
And one last question what said Jesus’s when they ask him about the end of the world ? If he knows that ?
One more thing where are the teachings from Jesus that you must pray to a icon? Was Jesus a white man?
How many prayer requests can a single Saint handle at a time?
If, just for example, a thousand people, from all across the world, prayed to Saint Benedict of Nursia, all on the same day, with each one asking for a different thing, would Saint Benedict be able to handle all of their prayer requests?
Is there a limit to how much a single Saint (in Heaven) can help us?
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The hereafter is outside of linear existence and since the Saints are sharers in the Energies of God, they can do what needs to be done when it is needed to be done.
The apostle call Jesus teacher or master of teaching why a priest have a status father you are not higher then Jesus
So the one who honored me I will hounour him explain it’s the one who pray to me I will help him
So the orthodox pray to the saints because God wants to honor the saints?
The most precious before God is the free will turned into a prayer. Through the will of a saint He can do a lot of things! He loves them! And He loves us!
The saints do not hear you when you pray or request them anything.
Where does it say he glorifys us ?? It says that God just honor us not more
Why everybody call a priest father
You guys are doing really good work defending the old church. Here’s to hoping East and West one day reunite. (From a Catholic) ☦️❤✝️
Thank you for your comment. Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
The Church IS Christ. The church IS His body. We are His members.
Innovation in worship is a departure from Christ. Innovation in dogma is a departure from Christ.
Unfortunately, for us for you, for the world, the pope was the first protestant. He protested and walked away from the Oecumenical councils and the Creed they had embraced for 700 years, at the time. Look up the eighth Oecumenical council on our channel. Learn about those events. They reveal the truth about the cause of the great schism.
This is essential to understanding what to do - how to move forward.
that just changed my mind so a believer is a saint? in.both lives in on earth then in heaven
I would like to see protestants try to explain what happened in Mt. Thabor, when Our Lord prayed with Moses and Elijah and His students 🥹
gotta pray for the protesters, they are very mislead.
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
As a Protestant i love orthodox batter then catholics and Protestant but one thing is i don't like Idols or picture worship.
It would be good to read more about this, then. Everyone who has been exposed to “Christianity” outside of Christ’s Church inevitably has certain misunderstandings and misconceptions. In the Orthodox Church we do not worship images but we use images to honor or venerate those who are depicted. The Seventh Ecumenical Council was called to resolve the issue of icon veneration in the 8th century because, while icon veneration goes back to the early Church, the emergence and growth of Islam which fiercely opposed the use of images in worship led to this becoming a controversy within the Church. The Seventh Ecumenical Council gathered a multitude of bishops from throughout the Church to prayerfully evaluate the matter and finally decreed that to reject the veneration of icons is to reject Christ’s incarnation. To understand why this is the case, it would be good to read St. John of Damascus’ writings “On the Divine Images” and about the Seventh Ecumenical Council which was adopted by the entire Church.
Thank you father and bless you, it's a shame so many Christian groups are divided ,when there's so many Christian Martyrs from biblical times and now 2023 , it's not just their life stories, but their true faith to our Father and Jesus which is why they will always be included in my prayers, plus the important message many have given us with their lives.. Godbless World Family...
To be pray to, and to be honest same?
What's surprise me is that Protestant pray for others but they refuse Saints Prayer,
Good point. I love it when an explanation is nice and succinct.
im True Church Catholic
Worshipping saings is no different from the pagan worship of gods.
They aren't worshiped 😅
That's not the argument Protestants are making. We aruge not that the Saints aren't praying but that they cannot hear us and that Jesus is the prescribed mediator between God and man who receives our prayers. We pray to the Father through the Son in the Spirit
Jesus is sole Mediator because He is God and man fully in one Person. That is His Mediation.
Intercessors are anyone who prays for another. Protestants mix those up. Saints share in God in the hereafter by His grace so they can give intercession.
What about those who have seen saints in the flesh after they have reposed?
They weren't summoned
The land of the caanan ?
You are wrong. Do not worship any other than YHWH.
We do not worship the Saints.
Respect😇💯💫❣️❣️❣️
Astaghfirullah
Thank you, Father. This is a bull's eye: right on target.
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I prayed earlier to Holy Spirit to help me with this very question. I know my prayers are answered, so, if the Saints ate still praying from here or there, why to not respect them? I will not pray to the dead. Jesus Lives!
No one in Christ is dead. God is not the God of the dead, but of the living!
The whole gospel is teaching us this: that Christ is risen, and the first fruits of our resurrection.
If you think the saints are dead, then where is God’s salvation? Their souls live and reign in Him. He loves them and He loves that WE love them.
Hi. Are Catholics welcomed here? I am confronted by many protestants on this matter. Thanks for this video. And the scripture is duly noted. Do you pray a rosary?
You are of course welcomed, as are all good willed followers of Christ.
We pray the age old Prayer of Jesus and entreat the All-Holy Theotokos (Birth-giver of God)!
@@OrthodoxEthos can you send me a link to these prayers
www.amazon.com/Way-Pilgrim-Continues-His/dp/0932727301
A Night in the Desert of the Holy Mountain: Discussion with a Hermit on the Jesus Prayer
@@OrthodoxEthos is there a difference between Greek and Russian Orthodoxy?
Isaiah 38:18-19 (KJV) For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.
Hey man, I appreciate this but my thing is the prayer offered in faith is directly to God the father thru the intercession of Christ Jesus, the saints are there praying and doing the same thing that we are doing I don't understand this tho like the mechanics of prayer unto a Saint are you saying okay now I'm talking to this human being wo died in earth and was raised to life thru the spirit of God and who is spiritual in heaven, okay human being while you are up in there would you go and ask God to do X Y or Z for me please? And then the Saint go and runs to God to go ask him to do your thing and then God looks upon your prayer and says yknow one of my favorite sinners who was raised to life by the spirit of christ just told me that you are looking for some supernatural help so here you go??
Why would a person pray to the dead? Why would you not fry out Abba father as the spirit of christ enables you?? Why does not the spirit of God intercede for you with groaning too profound for words, when even your spirit knows not what to pray? Why need we place further mediators between ourselves and God, a resurrection of the temple shroud which was rent in 2 at the death of Christ???
Glory to God for this message Father Heers Amen
Needed this. ☦😇🙏
As a cradle Protestant with a Catholic mom, I think the issue lies in Protestant rejection of most things Papal and were initially so so minimalist in their theology they went back to JUST the Bible without the early patristic developments and traditions Orthodoxy embraces.
Early reformation got so burnt by the papacy that Protestants rejected almost everything related to it even if it was good. I pray the East and West unite in their common love for Christ. We have so much to learn from Orthodoxy
As orthodox we don't follow the old scripture so why even bother for what other religions says? I think orthodox church in abroad is trying to establish and shine through others but the truth is not necessary.. faith is been established is there...we have the right to believe or not..just search for Him..if you believe you will find Him. Who ever has questions just watch a greek liturgy by Greek Orthodox church in Greece or in Cyprus and then start to search the religion.you will know. So much history so many Saints..great examples.
I see the fullness of the faith dwelling in the Orthodox Communions, but I don't see in any way shape or form that asking for the prayers of those departed in Christ is "essential" to either our personal journey or the furtherance of the Kingdom. Not that I believe in Sola Scriptura, but if this was such a vital and core part of the Church's calling and worship then surely it would at least appear clearly in the writings of Peter or Paul and not merely a possible interpretation from the highly symbolic book of Revelation.
Yes it appears early on in history and the greatest Father's practiced it because they inherited and were taught a pious tradition, but I can't help seeing the influence of certain syncretised alien aspects; and Mariology, in it's present form (regarding her place in the prayers of the Church), seems to me and many as a product of developments through the latter part of the first Millenium, building on, again, a pious but non binding (in my opinion) inner tradition stemming from non canonical writings like the 2nd century Protoevengelium of James and wonderful typology.
I may be unenlightened, but in my faith I have never once felt moved, inspired or drawn to converse with any personal spiritual being but that of the Triune Being beyond being X Why is that? Merely because I hav'nt been taught to in my past Protestant involvements? I think not... But there's that "I" again... Lol
Thank you Father for your wisdom on these clips! 🙏
In love, in Christ
(and no I'm not Orthodox. I have lived with Orthodox though - even a mitred Archpriest of the Russian Church here in the U.K... I'm also too unwell to attend any church due to long term illness; and even if I was well enough, there's no Orthodox Church on the Isle of Wight... But luckily God is bigger than that... and the Spirit helps me when I know not what to pray; and the Son sympathises with me in my weekness; and the Father Himself loves me)
I love when the witch opens Heaven & finds the great & dead Saint Priest Samuel annoyed that he was bothered & annoyed they're asking anything of him. 🤣🤣 he told King Saul he'd die & offered no prayer for him that God would spare his life. Yeah, venerate the saints. They clearly enjoy it 😂😂
1Samuel:28
Selam father i want to ask you 1 quick question
Does Christ beg the father?
Like does he pray to him🧎♂️🤲
pray To him for us?
According to
Eastern Orthodoxy
Well said my brother in Christ. But I think you should read that verze again because it contradicts of what God says in
Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord; that is My name. And My glory will I not give to another..."
What the actual verze was
1 Samuel 2:30 "...But now the LORD declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained."
Wanted to watch your back man, be careful on what you're reading.
Amen!!
The last sentence says it all!!!❤
So if that's the case, can i pray to Hiraclius to intercede for me, or Elijah, or Abraham, or any of the Jewish prophets, they are also in heaven right?
WE are saints as well... anyone who puts off the old self and puts on Christ becomes a saint. When Jesus taught the disciples to pray, He never mentions in any way a prayer to a group of saints, but to God. We are to pray for each other, though, so we will be strengthened, encouraged, healed, etc💯 I'm not sure if that's biblically sound...
I don’t think this clip answers the question on the header of the video. He talked about the Saints praying for us which is correct and good. The question on the video says “Why do the Orthodox pray TO the saints.” Maybe this is miscommunication and I’m misunderstanding what’s going on but I’m reading the question literally.
Please help me with these verses Deuteronomy 18:9-12 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you."
The proof that we Orthodox have the truth is that no matter Iif you were Arab Muslim or African pagan or Taoist Asian. Once you repent and accept Christ and His church you can become a Saint through humility and do wonders in the name of Christ and your love for your neighbor
The protestants like to say that it says in scripture everybody is a saint lol that is the number one argument I hear them say. Praying for intercession from the dead would be the second thing they tried to argue against.
I suppose that the reference in the book of Revelation is chapters 5 & 8.
What I am wondering is whether those references amount to a warrant for us to pray to the Saints.
This is a strange thing to do when Jesus told us to pray directly to God and not to ask him(Jesus) to pray for us.
This doctrine is of interest to me because I want to find out how it came about and why the only way to honour the saints(dead believers) is by praying to them to ask them to pray for us.
In Hebrews, the author refers to the faith of those who have gone before us urging us to emulate their faith. The question is, is emulating their faith an act of honouring them or God?
I really wish to delve into this to gain understanding.