@@charlesb8 so they had wine and champagne over the "success" of their game during launch, in case the game goes to shit and never had that celebration.
@GeepeBrow Oh yea, and you get headshot out of nowhere, turn around, use 200m scope and see a pixel of a bot trooper on top of a mountain sniping you with his little blaster.
@GeepeBrowI mean, they are futuristic robots, them being able to see things in scenarios that we can’t isn’t too far fetched. But I do get your point that it’s frustrating at times
I remember running through a valley to funnel a swarm. Turn around to toss some nades, turn back.. Suddenly a large group of enemies spawn where nothing was there. I just quit after that.
What I’ll remember about this game in the future: Every update made the game worse and my friends fell off one by one. So I paid for a temporarily good game.
first month was game of the year material, the patch that killed railgun (95% was rolled back but AHdoubled-down on the reduced anti-durable) was also the patch that first notably and detrimentally changed the spawn system (spawns trippled overnight and solo was getting 4-man spawn rates, volumes and drop/breach-sizes). from then on the games gone decently paced from run n gun n loot to mostly-gunning, to mostly-running with looting being almost impossible in the latter 2 more recent sandbox-states due to ANY downtime basically putting you at rick of a tele-snipe ambush by enemies that instantly aggro and your first warning of their existence is a rocket/hunter/MG/walker to the back of the head. gams a total SLOG now in solo and a zero-brain face-roll in most 4-stacks.
@motodrang4287 this has been my experince, last of the guys I played with dropped out at the start of the month and these weren't casuals, none were below level 80 and all were on pretty much every day for 2-3 hour minimum... AH chased off the core playerbase
Article # A. The bugs that made the game good. Every bug they fix deteriorates the quality of the game. Meaning their formula wasn't what made the game good, only dumb luck. Guys sniffing his own farts too hard. They need to learn from Warframe and how "bullet jump" was adapted from a bug or velocity exploit known as "Zoren Coptering". War Thunder and Warframe are the OG kings of the live service and they survive on understanding and interpreting community direction, not sterile studio direction. That ego check is essential to not bleeding the brand. Nerfs are brand damage.
Did you watch the video? The devs are a little off-beat, but I agree with OhDough that the fundamental philosophy is good, and the game will be in a great spot with more powerful weaponry, and that they did a disservice with nerfing the power bugs.
They do and its the "believeable fantasy" they described. They just need to fix bugs and adjust some balance numbers. Stop being a drama queen like everyone on reddit.
@@benignsentient6772 "and the game will be in a great spot with more powerful weaponry" Mate, we were told that back in May and look what happened. They don't care.
@knowahnosenothing4862 fair points but warthunder doesn't really understand. They just have no real competition and have to be dragged uphill into reality.
This game has wound up being like a bad relationship. In the beginning everything is amazing and you look forward to the time you get to spend playing it. Then slowly patch after patch, nerf after nerf, you start to realize that is more frustrating than fun. However, you still remember how amazing it was and hold out hope that it could still be that way again. But the devs keep grinding you down, breaking what works and what still made you smile. They keep telling you that they were sorry, and it will get better, that wasn't intentional, that they want to listen to you and make changes for the better, but those changes never manifest. It's now at the point where you realize that they are never going to change, it's never going to be the way it was, and you need to get out.
@@deedeekreep9139 The fact losers like you have the time and fucks to give to comment on hundreds of comments per video along with other no life losers defending this game is beyond ironic.
Honestly that's true for most live service games, they usually end up being an abusive relationship. The trick is knowing when to bail out despite the FOMO.
Starting to worry the old ceo is delusional at worst and out of touch at best while the new ceo isn’t being told anything from the actual team while trying to conduct damage control without having any direct influence on what actually makes it to publishing. And the community managers don’t make things any better.
I completely agree, I used to think that the old ceo stepping down as a good thing, but recently, I don't know anymore. I really hope that this new ceo starts figuring stuff out and actually managing his company or this beautiful game is gonna be left in the dust.
I think the only delusional ones here are you for expecting this game to be something it never was. You two should go do more research on what they wanted this game to be. Cause if you think it's just simply a horde shooter than you bought something without doing research and well that's on you for being ignorant. The game is strongly based on a DND type scenario and in this case it's a intergalactic war. If you have no interest or care in that. You should never have bought this game. Period.
@@craig9365 Guy if you’re telling me to expect frequent game crashes and broken features and missing quality of life features. I would say you are deluded.
He views games as a social experience where you and you’re friends have a good time and bond? Then why have most of my friends stopped playing the game and the few who planned on getting it are now not wanting to get it? Oh yeah, they all said they don’t want to play a game where the devs nerf the fun out of the game and gaslight the players about how their idea of the game is wrong because “it’s a milsim!”.
It is just a very different game, You just can't compare War Thunder with DCS, ARMR/Squad even to Tarkov. Let say a dev wanted a Dark Soul with Anime Girl, it is how it is if you got lured in by the Anime girl and expected the usual hack and slash game, which also played like one because of bug/exploit/bad balancing. HD2 is fairly well balance for those who wanted the trained 5 minutes newb on to the war experience, what AH need to do is to rethink their design and have something for the unexpected horde shooter customers.
@@orangejuice9396 Nah, It depends on what fun you want. I have friends who love it and who hate it. Your group may have a particular preference that just finds the HD2 kind of game not fun, thus not dun with friends ;or Dark Soul games fun thus fun with friends. If it is so unfair, you won't get people find HD2 fairly easy to play. It is pretty fair, but gameplay is lame for many.
@@mouseii88 helldivers 2 is only a fun game with friends if you do like milsim tactics and stuff, the people who enjoy helldivers 2 in groups of 4 are people who could probably enjoy anything tbh. people CAN find helldivers 2 fun, just like how people can find dark souls unfun. an example i kinda wanna bring up is space hulk deathwing, a 40k game where you basically need 3 other people that are good at video games and willing to learn the intricacies to actually play the game at even a basic level.
@@orangejuice9396 well, that's one reason I generally say it is more similar to Squad/ARMA than Battlefield. It is intended for a very niche audience, thus you see complaints about constant running, which is exactly those Milsim games do, run for 5 min and die in 1 sec to Tanks 300m away. The fact that people can Rambo Helldive difficulty say a lot about the weapon is balanced against difficulty. Try EDF6, if that feels a lot more fun and fair than HD2, your group is a bit out of HD2 "original intention". It is not about nerf or buff, but the fundamental game design of the game, where they need the weapon to do more to be fun for the larger casual audience. Imo, they don't even need to make the Marksman weapon kill faster, they just need to make them take down Devastators rocket pod and mini gun in 2 shot, and the weapon is instantly 50% more fun.
One correction. Stormtroopers are not meant to be grunts. They’re meant to be deadly, as well as accurate. What Obi-Wan tells Luke while examining the Jawa sand crawler is true. Only Stormtroopers can aim that straight. The reason they’re on screen depiction is not consistent with this is because Lucas was basing Star Wars on old serial films, and those movies had a lot of shooting that was supposed to be accurate and serious, but visually was going in all sorts of random directions.
Actually, the Stormtroopers ARE very accurate, lol. In every on-screen battle between them and the Rebel grunts, they vastly out perform them. The only times their aim has been atrocious has been: The trap in episode 4 where they wanted them to escape, Bespin when they're running, and the Ewoks (which is pretty fair. They're small, fast, and blend into the dense foliage. Pretty hard to hit that tbh). Tantive 4 was a sweep for the stormtroopers, Hoth was a sweep for the empire aside from the ATs, before the shield was taken down and the ewoks surprise attacked it was almost another sweep for the Empire.
I actually remember reading a few well worded fan theories about Stormtroopers being, at least in some circumstances, explicitly ordered to MISS their shot in order to allow the heroes to escape because [reasons], I'm not expert enough about SW to recontruct it completely here but I'm sure if you google around you'll find a few ppl arguing for it.
Can also just explain away them missing against the jedi because of the force and stuff. Obi-wan was the jedi master of defensive techniques, and it's shown in various settings that jedi have ways of massively making people less accurate or dodging shots from premonition.
@@divvu1014 Don't forget that Vader's master, Palpatine, is a master of deception and manipulation who successfully staged an entire civil war against a Republic that he was a major leader in, as part of a scheme to amass the very army he required to successfully pull off a coup. It's a ruse of war -- let a retreating foe escape, and then follow them to sus out the location of other enemies. Make the shots just accurate enough to convince them that they are lucky to be alive, and they'll never realize the deception. Vader could easily have had a tracking device installed on the Millennium Falcon while it was aboard the Death Star, which would be how he was able to learn that the Alliance had their headquarters on Yavin 4 -- That's where Han Solo and the others went after escaping, with the Death Star in pursuit.
When they nerf the flame shotgun everybody already has and then sell a new flame shotgun 2 days later for $10, I dont want to hear about how they're treating players ethically
Yes. But you are making it sound like they nerfed the former to boost the latter (as many games do with their "balancing"). But the latter is also kinda shiz :D. And the former got nerfed for the same reason every weapon did. It's just too reliable (in their own words - aka. getting too many kills)
you actually pay for it? i have every warbond that has released and havent spent a penny for them. farming the currency in game is easy and fun. don't act like they force you to spend real money
@@TheBaron8134 If people aren't having fun playing the game because of all the laughably stupid decisions when it comes to balancing alongside the near-constant presence of game breaking bugs and crashes since launch, I think it's stupid to think that people are going to WANT to farm super credits.
6:43 the realistic take is bull. Its Selected realism. If realism is sooooooo important to the game other things such as Ammo racking and ammo dets would be apart of the game. when High Explosive is hit it tends to explode.
It is, shooting the rocket pods on devastators or the rockets on striders makes them explode Flamethrower would be a better example for the argument you're trying to make.
@@kaden-sd6vb Yes they made the flamethrower into a gas torch for youtube instead of a flamethrower complete with adhesive foam like reality of the weapon. So they went opposite of reality and then present that as a win. Idiots.
@@kaden-sd6vb The dev rockets exploding looks like it tickles the thing, and the rockets on the striders just pop out of existence sometimes, not killing it.
"We want you to be a grunt" we play in teams of 4 alone against swarms. This is NOT a design that says grunt. This design says "elite squad behind enemy lines." I described HD2 as a game where four glass cannons drop down into the middle of a swarm of enemies and need to get out without shattering. Arrowhead apparently wanted four glass squirt guns dropping into a searm of enemies.
If they really want us to feel like grunts armed with wet noodles drop us in whole platoons of 30-40 guys. Of couse that'd never work practically because of how small the maps are and the p2p hosting would probably shit itself, but it would be an interesting take at least.
@@hanley9073 I think it could also work if the weapon they gave us were more powerful but also more dangerous for ourselves, like the unsafe railgun but more extreme, or the pre-nerf eruptor after the shrapnel bounced back to us. So it would make sense they would only send 4 of us (we can do a lot of damage) and also make sense why we are considered expendable (no sane, actually trained person would try to use those badly designed weapons). This would also add more varied funny deaths and a degree of skill expression to keep people playing to get to master them.
A grunt commanding a whole star destroyer and having all its arsenal at his complete disposal. Artillery, air support, logistics, all at that grunt's command WHILE he does all the fighting too. One hell of a grunt indeed!
@xdCrispy-Crisss uhh they do work lol. You just can't go around sprinting like it's cod and expect to have the same accuracy. Their system is fun as fuck and like I said there's in game perks ypu cam throw on if it's really that much of an issue
@@deedeekreep9139The crosshairs literally do not match up to where the bullets are fired, that isn’t some “extra challenge” or something that promotes you to learn, it’s literally a broken function of one the core systems of the game (shooting to kill enemies)
Game developer, with less concurrent players than L4D2 after a few months, has a messianic complex. Let's hope some better Devs take inspiration from HD2 and make a better game.
There’s very little hope left as most of the things that made the game so much fun for players turned out to be unintended bugs. Which is why the game becomes worse and worse as they fix all the “issues” from the devs point of view.
The problem is that they’re too resistant to changing their philosophy. Sadly, we’re at the “point of no return” for many players, and if the developers don’t change their philosophical approach in the next 60 days (the timeline they set out), then this game will continue to bleed players. I guarantee you, if HD1 was a 3rd person shooter, the game would be miles ahead of the current game
For me (and my friends) the "point of no return" will be at illuminates update. If Arrowhead fucked up that launch and didn't correct all the previous bugs and nerfs, it's going to be a definitive goodbye for me...
@@Pyromaniac77777 You’re right that most people here would come back if the game were improved, but what percentage of players that have left do you think are still here, watching videos like these? I doubt it’s even near 20%. Thousands of people have simply lost interest and aren’t going to come back. A SUBSTANTIAL amount of good will has been lost
It's unbelievable that the SEAF has nigh unlimited funds and fuel (thanks to the bugs) to straight up just have every "grunt" able to call in cannon barrages from their fucking Destroyer. If they have that level of destructive power, why the fuck are they not just leveling bug nests before we even get their? Why do I need to direct the airstrikes? XD What kind of military sense does it make to use high explosive and danger close air support literally 20 meters away when you could have done EVERYTHING like five minutes prior to dropping the troops in to retrieve anything high priority. Like, wut?
The fact that Helldivers are expendable but at the same time more than 5 losses per destroyer are considered unacceptable makes me feel like the Democracy Officers on our Super Destroyers are just really really lazy. Except when we are in range of enemy artillery of course.
Exactly. If they wanted a grunt fantasy they made the exact wrong gameplay basics. If they wanted grunt fantasy we should have way more than 4 people in a game, or at least the map should be spammed with friendly units, we should have *WAY* more lives than we do, respawning should be automatic and only a few seconds, and stratagems should not be as powerful or common as they are. Maybe as kill streaks even. They made a game that's completely antithetical to what they wanted. Call of Duty and Battlefield are grunt fantasy, not this. This was designed to be like Warframe, Deep Rock Galactic, Space Marine.
Exactly what I said, helldivers are supposed to be elite. A step above your typical SEAF soldiers. If they were "grunts" there wouldn't be only 20 reinforcements per destroyer with an armada of weaponry 🙄
The irony is stormtroopers can aim and obi wan Kenobi says “only stormtrooper are so precise” but when facing main characters with plot armor, of course they suck… Disney ruined this and went with the meme… we should still have great weapons. Edit : Mithril is magic johan!!!
Judging by the amount of nerfs we got because of ways to kill chargers is it canon in helldivers lore, that terminid chargers are main characters then?
You see, this quote was actually used to praise the game by fans because fans saw it as a sign that the dev weren't trying to pander to everyone. Now, this is the first time I have seen it used against them.
Honestly the safest way for AH to drown all the casual player complains right now is to implement a damage multiplyer. Lower difficulties will have roughly the same enemy types and spawns as the higher difficulties do, but the player damage and the damage they receive will be increased and decreased accordingly. This way you can have people playing a diff 4 game killing BTs and Impalers with ease and have their power fantasies, instead of sweating heavily and dying like a souls game character.
The developers gave their creations in game( automatons/bugs ) “PLOT ARMOR”. They are the good guys in their eyes. The players are the evil bosses henchmen. No wonder they keep nerfing the players who are doing too well at killing their heroes who have plot armor(bugs/bots). That’s a terrible business decision.
The leftist mentality of identifying with anything other than humanity will never cease to boggle my mind. On the one hand, you have the actual literal cumminst bugs, where each individual is owned by the state, functions only to provide foe the state, and is imminently expendable, and on the other you have the actual literal ww2 bad guy bots, who operate based on a principal of racial superiority, recapturing their fatherland, even right down to the occultism aspect(have you seen the blood altars they have, where it looks likenthey ritualistically mutilate and dismember captured humans? Reminds me of the stuff the SS were into). Humanity has its flaws, I'm certainly not into the twisted Marxian policies made by a certain spaghetti man that they appear to practice(yes, the Italian fashion philosophy is similar but different to the German mustache philosophy), but they're still _humans._ *HUMANITY FIRST.*
The developers creating the game around the POV of the enemy faction could be an interesting idea as a way to add a sense of escalation and difficulty. However, it falls apart when they use the omnipotent powers to remove ammo and add cooldowns to the other sides weapons
Pilestedt yapping as usual. Even back when he was still CEO, the guy was the epitome of all talk - no action. I vividly remember how he wrote half a thesis on Twitter about how weak most of the primaries are, only for his team to then release another batch of nigh-useless assault rifles that are still as useless today. Him taking over the dev team was also supposed to be an epiphany (or so many angry fans told me when I voiced concern). Yet all it brought us was one mid update, and an update that introduced a fire-themed warbond alongside massive nerfs for all fire-based weapons. 4d chess right here.
@@polskipolak9073 you can use s lot more than 3 options and there are only a handful of useless weapons or stratagems in the game, namely the Tesla Tower, some of the liberator variants, and throwing knives. Oh and armor buffs are basically meaningless, except for pure armor / movement speed and stamina regen
The old and new CEO's are out of touch with their staff. Their community managers are out of control, they lash out at players for giving criticism, and to top it all off they have developers that can't seem to patch bugs in their own game
@BladeMasterIcarus The old CEO is still there. What we have, going off your example, is the captain led his ship into an iceberg and the passengers told him there is a huge hole in the ship. The crew are incompetent and, despite the passengers telling them how to weld it shut, managed to blow the boiler submerging more of the ship into the icy water. The captain then decided to put his first mate in charge, go down to the engine room and caused the engine room to explode for no reason whatsoever. The passengers are mostly abandoning ship but some are staying, telling them how to fix it, but the crew keeps blowing up everything they touch. In a final act of desperation, now they're trying to convince the passengers that they bought tickets to ride a submarine.
It also must be law that they have to take convenient vacations at a game's most pivotal point in its lifespan and leave it broken and unattended for weeks or months.
Arrowhead is a co-op. So, yeah. It explains a lot of their decisionmaking, and why they haven't hammered down the mod team and fired the shit stirrers. Banning people for not liking furry art. Banning people for gatekeeping the pride nuts. Mods gloating and laughing at banning 'bigots' It's just a shit show on Discord. I bet Sweden's got them UK hate speech laws and fun is literally illegal.
the entire dev team is full of shit. they have taken a.defensive stance against their players and that's a very immature thing to do which tells me all I need to know. they will be better when they have their desired 5k player base like they had originally expected
"We want the players to feel like stormtrooper grunts" > Makes a game where 4 elite ODST super soldiers takes on an entire battalion complete with orbital, air & heavy weapons authorization. My dude, if this was a film, they would be the A-Team. Y'know, the guys who you call when you have a very specific problem. It's so over. If you really want to make the player feel like pointless grunts, go play foxhole and really understand your despair and inability to make an impact as a lone individual.
If the game was realistic, Super Earth would not be sending 4 dudes with 20 backups against an enemy that has unlimited reinforcements. They'd just bombard the planet from orbit and send in a platoon to do cleanup and extract any high value assets. If the game was realistic, destroying a rocket tank should make it explode like a nuke as all the unused munitions go off all at once. Also, emptying a flamethrower directly into a tank's heat sink should rapidly raise the temperature of the engines until it explodes. They need to just can the 'realism' talk. All they're doing is repeatedly putting their foot in their mouths when they try to bring it up.
@@stronensycharte64 its the same thing with a company going public: its the end of quality and the beginning of maximizing profits maybe not the same for arrowhead, they seem to be going the destroy the quality and make profit impossible route.
@@Dr.Oofersnothing, that is a game, that has almost 2x a content that it had arpt launch for free... Meanwhile hd2 is a joke, where you need to pay for water guns...
_"I can’t believe this games success was a complete accident."_ the flamethrower ignores the Charger's leg armor - the game is successful and _FUN_ the flamethrower doesn't ignore the Charger's leg armor - the game is not success and not fun
Makes me glad I got my 40 dollars worth out of this game while it was still fun. These devs are clueless from top to bottom, and the sooner we accept that we're not getting the game we paid for back, the better
So true. I would have felt way more burned if I had joined in now instead of on launch. Even the story events were better. We certainly had more agency and influence as well.
@@LegendKingY2jIt's Swedish law, they are required to take this break at some point. I'm not defending Arrow Head for their decisions, just the fact that this is pretty normal. We will even see this happen again next year. It just sucks when they preach live service but take 2-3 months off a year. Hard to have live services when 1/6th of the year most of your team is on leave.
Helldivers: We want you to feel like one of those grunts in the movies that usually get one shot by the main characters and can't get anything done. Space marines II: We want you to feel like the elite force in the galaxy who can jump in a horde of 10 enemies and tear them open with your bare hands.
They want you feel like that grin the first week or two. Then, as you run lower level missions and learn how the games mechanics work, you learn to slowly be a veteran in the field, mentally soldier that survived that first hundred days and now knows his way around surving and fighting in combat. If you can't do anything, I k kw this gets tossed around a lot, but that's a skill issue. A decent team mKes 7s and 8s feel like 3s and 4s. I frequently glance at the difficulties when it's happening just to confirm I didn't forget to tier up after helping some beginner SOS calls.
@@onerimeuse The problem is, it's just not fun. They keep introducing stronger enemies and buffing the ones already there, but our arsenal gets weaker. The first game wasn't like this. Everything was viable, some things were better than others but the chaos was embraced and instead of your effectiveness being limited they just threw more difficult things at you to obliterate.
@@onerimeuse That's a stupid take, it's not about difficulty, it's about bad and boring gameplay. I know people like you get a bonner going on the internet and saying "skill issue" and talking about how you can clear the hardest difficulties, but the game isn't hard in the first place. You can literaly outrun most enemies in the game, you can complete the hardest difficulty on solo while barely shooting at all, thing is that feels like shit for most people, that's clearly not how people want to play the game and that's not what the game used to be like. You wanna talk about skill go play a competitive sweaty game, not on a PvE game where you can outrun everything that's thrown at you.
@@neziaojuara1768 for real, these "skill issue" types like running away all the time and then come to the comments gloating about clearing lvl 9 and 10 diff. yet the way they play sounds so painfully boring and not worth the time to even attempt if its just gonna be a running sim. imagine making a horde shooter and make it in a way where fighting the horde in said horde shooter is a bad idea and running away is the way to play. so delusional. this game used to be so fun, but the devs are killing it, and the community who meatride the devs so hard are also the problem. helldivers community is so toxic and braindead that the only thing they say is "git gud" or "skill issue" which tells me all i need to know about these people.
Bro's literally making a game for NO-ONE. Im a nerd, I have 200 games in my library, 40 of them are rogue-likes and I can literally find 10 games that are just better than Helldivers 2, even Helldivers is better than Helldivers 2 now, the state of the game is hilarious and tragic. Helldivers 2 have no optimization, no fun mechanics, it's not "easy to learn, hard to master", it's impossible to master, one ragdoll and you're dead, the only thing you can do is cry about it. And your reinforcement or survivability skills literally don't matter, because if you have reinforcements - you're not losing, and Helldivers did it SO MUCH better. In Helldivers if everyone dies - it's joever, you skill of dodging enemies and how fast you can call reinforcement can be a difference between a lost run and a successful run. Your stratagems matter and how fast you can call them matters. Mechs may be a joke for some, but unlike in HD2 they're honestly good, you're sacrificing one stratagem slot to make a part of a run easier and they feels meaningful, they are meaningful. Helldivers 2 is just a disappointment for me, disappointment for a guy that likes good design in games, that values gameplay over everything else, for a neard that adores good games, games that know their community with devs that care about their game and community, with gameplay that feels good. See ya in Deep Rock Galactic, waiting until HD2 is fixed
Im glad I got to play the Mech where the biggest problem was turning left and firing a rocket. It was honestly still pretty fun before it got absolutely gutted by that cuck alexsus
Just go play EDF 5 or 6. They are just better helldivers 2 Kill bugs, bots and aliens with inf ammo, awesome weapons and call ins with barely any limits.
If I had heard his spiel before I bought the game I probably wouldn't have bought it at all. As a matter of fact, i'm fairly certain if they had been honest in their advertising, I doubt many people would have.
Whi h part of their advertising was a lie, exactly? The obviously satire based recruiting commercial style of trailers that intentional include helldivers dying in every other scene? Or are you going to drop the thing that says "over powered weapons" while ignoring thst you can call in 380mm shells from orbit for a minute straight while cleaning the objective next to it with a giant laser?
@@onerimeuseI see you forgot that 380 is pathetically bad and the laser will be gone for several minutes afterwards. Rely on your strategems...except those aren't sufficient either
Ngl seeing starship troopers having 24 players in a match against bugs is what i wish Helldivers 2 have a big missions where they give us 12 players coop
Arrowhead basically told us in the beginning "come be a superhero, kill bugs and bots, the enemies of Super Earth with overpowered weapons" which is just super earth propaganda to get people to enlist as a helldiver. In reality, what arrowhead wants is cannon fodder constantly getting swarmed, armed with peashooters and paper thin armor. Arrowhead is Super Earth, we're the unlucky sods that bought into the propaganda.
and just like real propaganda, this will effect the numbers, but unlike communist governments, we are the consumers, and we actually hold the power over them. sure, they might have had success on launch financially, but a big part of that would have been paying back sony, and now to keep the lights on and everyone paid, how long do you think it'll take them before they realize this is NOT the infinite money printer they thought it would be, and the studio will be absorbed in the conglomerate that is sony?
This is unironically true. There were a fair amount of video essays going off about the satiric "under"tone of the game and the dystopia of Super Earth. I don't know what's more concerning, that people are willingly blinding ourselves to that now in order to voice protest, or that they were blind to this all along. That said, you can deliver that dystopia without making the game horribly frustating.
All weapons should be able to damage any target, at different rates. He likes warhammer ; you can damage any unit by rolling a 6 to wound which makes all units feel like they can at the very least be useful
Helldivers 2 was a success for the same reasons that Halo 2 was a success. It was a fun casual game that pretty much anyone could play, but it took a fair bit of skill (but not overwhelming) to master. Once they started trying to force certain metas, the game was done. Taking fun away in a non-pvp game makes people uninvest themselves.
I don’t think them making weapons and stratagems stronger will take away from their original vision of players not having plot armor. Hell, if anything, the enemies have plot armor due to how much damage they take before they die (especially chargers)
The game HD has become is not the game I bought. I feel like they did a bait and switch. If they want the game to be a dark souls like game just come out and say it so I can move on.
Not even like dark souls. Dark Souls isn't very difficult, and it's extremely fair. One, it doesn't take control away from the player at all, and two, YOU CAN DODGE. If you're getting spammed by insane shit in Helldivers not only can't you dodge, but if you get hit once you tend to get ragdolled for 30-40 seconds and die. Also, the power scaling for the player in Dark Souls is insane, and there are multiple ways to utterly dominate the game with giga-damage weapons and magic or just tanking everything.
Dark souls has multiple solutions to multiple problems, even if you have to pause and change your approach here and there depending on the challenge. This feels like we’re relearning how to play the game every single patch because enemy behaviors change and our toolbox gets weaker and smaller.
@@SmegwardProductions remember, while Arrowhead is playing and testing HD2 at diff 5, From Software's own Hidetaka Miyazaki personally makes sure he can beat the games they make before they ship.
Calling whatever tf they're doing a Dark Souls like difficulty is an insult to those games (no shade at you just being dramatic). Dark souls is difficult like cutting a log with an Axe is difficult, it may take some time and you'll have to put effort in, but it's reasonable. HD2 is difficult in the way cutting a log with a butter knife is difficult. Sure, you'll cut that log eventually, it'll just take half a year, all your strength, oh and btw if we feel you're going too fast we'll replace your knife with an even duller bread knife.... for "realism".
"Original intent," "core design" of Helldivers. He can say this all he likes, but then why are the fans from the first game saying HD2 is a worse experience than the first game, which embodied the core design intent of the helldiver universe? The weapon balance of this sequal is destroying all the fun that was built into the original and helped the fans push new players into the game.
If Helldivers 2 was marketed as a grunt fantasy in which you die repetitively I would have never invested a cent into it. All the marketing for this game sold it as a power trip in which you can be an action hero. You could be Johnny Rico on the back of the bug chewing through it with your mg. That's not what the game is now by any means. It is utterly miserable to the point I and all my friends have stopped playing. If Arrowhead wants to turn this game into the CBT-simulator they seem to be balancing for, I want my money back.
@@therandomcommenter6629Atleast in that movie you’re actually part of a cohesive platoon and rank. The only part of the movie where you’re in a small squad is the part where one of the main characters get their brains sucked out by the bugs. Lemme tell you, that part of the propaganda does not look fun.
I bought Helldivers 2 three times-- for me, my brother, and a good friend we all stopped playing around the same time for the same reasons (and it didn't help it was around the Sony indicident timeframe)
Same, I gifted a copy of Helldivers and my friends group (6 people in total) stopped playing already. Half went down after the Sony incident, the other half went down after the flamer nerfs, me included.
I bought my buddy a copy and i bought super citizen for myself and the game just went down a hole ever since. I think a week later they intentionally ruined spawning patrols for everyone and have never fixed it since. It's not a bug it's 100% intentional. They can't just keep pretending their spawning code is too difficult to understand.
A friend of mine and I suspect they are deliberately nuking the game to save on server costs. Certainly, hosting 10k players is a lot cheaper than hosting 450k. Dunno if their math for warbond sales didn't add up, so they'll keep yeeting the player base until it's manageable.
I bought this game for my friend as a gift, but refused to accept it because I heard that you can no longer kill chargers with a flamethrower in the leg, and as everyone knows that's where all the _FUN_ lies.
The "another team made HD2 and handed it over to AH" theroy sounds more true every day. The devs have no clue what they are doing or why it worked in the first place
"The velocity of this particular anti tank round is such an important topic" - Is that why they didn't manage to fix the projectile momentum bug and we have to fire everything while diving? Such important.
Almost everything he says makes him look like a hypocrite based on the updates they do... This video just makes me sad... All we can do it vote with money, stop buying war bonds, and down vote the game. Its pretty clear that him stepping down was just a big show to make us feel better. They keep saying they will make it better but they just don't...
Support weapons such as recoilless rifle should one shot elites. 1) its a stratagem 2) its a weapon specifically for elite units 3) you can’t use a backpack stratagem(primarily supply backpack). 4) the recoilless is literally shown to one shot a bile titan in the intro. There are so many limitations for very little pay off if it can’t one shot them. There’s also human error to consider, players aren’t hitting 100% of their shots all the time.
The problem with "Realism" in this game is that it only applies to their philosophy when it's fucking over the player. If however the subject is mile long tentacles coming out of an impaler with an effective range that you can never escape even when running from them for over 5 minutes it can be as video gamey as it wants. That's just one recent example but the entire game is built around these things that just overall feel very antagonistic, to the point that any time "realism" is used as an explanation what it really sounds like is an excuse for bullshit... and everyone knows it. Video gamey mechanics can be fine and work well but you can't only use them to arbitrarily try and punish the player, because it just starts to feel cheap and players start to feel robbed, those feelings are frustrating and frustrated players are much less likely to leave the game feeling like they had fun, and the biggest problem it seems to me is that the developers seem absolutely determined to try and force frustrating situations onto you. This is why most of our weapons have seemingly been nerfed, because most of the "Balance" in this game is actually about keeping you from killing chargers effectively, that's 100% the reason the Flamethrower was changed when it was and you'll never convince me otherwise. The reason no one plays the bots is because most players don't enjoy the frustration of being stun locked in a ragdoll simulator. There are higher level players who have figured out ways to midigate that but most of the player base decided to just avoid it instead. The problem is that with each subsequent patch the developers continue to strip the players of options in order to arbitrarily make the game harder, they aren't adding meaningful challenges, they're just forcing you to play the one way that they deem as "fun" which is why I find it so damn laughable when they say they're very against the idea of a "meta" because all they've ever done is force one on us.
"Would you survive galactic war without a plot armor?" Probably not because I would unrealistically trip on terrain and then got ragdolled across the map into a knee deep water where I would drown making my samples unpick-able.
I can tell you why I think Helldivers 2 was such a hit… because you got to call in tremendous, huge explosions while battling Starship Troopers Bugs and Terminator Bots and it looked awesome. The price was right and at launch, we had weapons that at times, felt powerful. People would laugh at team kills because the conflict was wild and the explosions supersized, so unintended causalities had to be forgiven, and made for great content.
I think one of the problems with the "Grunt Fantasy" is that in movies like Star wars the storm Troopers are up against the main protagonists. In Helldiver's we are fighting other grunts. Also we are using weapons that are, for the most part, basically weapons that were designed to eliminate other humans. They love the idea of realism yet we are fighting giants big and robots.
Right after helldivers 2 came out, I had to leave for multiple months and had no means to play games except on the steam deck, which could barely play Helldivers 2 at all. I told myself, "its okay, itll still be here when you get back." LMAO, yeah right. The game I purchased and got to play a few times at launch, LITERALLY was not there when I got back. It had been replaced with one with a tiny, gutted community, and a feeling that no matter what loadout I tried, I just couldn't figure out what the game expected me to do to succeed. I feel robbed.
I mean, did you jump straight back into helldive, instead of walking the tiers to find your feet? It's not a difficult game once you understand how things work together. And the best way to get that is either doing the hardest stuff knowing you're doing it as a crash course, or just running lower level stuff to get up to speed worth the game. There's still always active players, there's new gear, new enemies. There's stuff to learn. If you exist in 2024 and didn't expect a live service game to grow and change while you were out, that'd very much a you problem. Not the devs. You can say the same about basically any game out there. Meta changes in cod, big patches for no man's sky, seasonal content shakes up entire other games (fortnite and path of exile both come to mind as prime examples of this) If you wanted to buy a game that wasn't going to evolve, may I point you towards.... I dono... The games made before the live service concept was born. *shrug*
@@onerimeuseJesus you missed a whole forest for the trees The updates are bad The meta change is bad And the player numbers are getting worse I play DRG and I just laugh at these changes play a live service game that isn’t ass
@@onerimeuse No one expected the game to remain stagnant. Like... at all. The game did, however, change. And it did not change for the better. There is not a single "successful" game out there that had a drop off like HD2 did. It was rushed out the door, did the bare minimum, and the devs clearly have a "dungeon master vs player" mindset rather than "Lets make a videogame" mindset. The developers are trying to "win" against their customers.
@@tylerulfmann4586 mate, I'm not missing the forest. I'm acknowledging the forest for what it is. Yall got here and said "hey, this forest is eucalyptus, where are the redwoods? Hey, forest service, your forest is wrong. Plant redwoods instead" Meanwhile, those of us that didn't come with expectations are siting back saying "ah, man, this forest could use more things to do, and there's a lot of bugs, but otherwise we appreciate the forest for being different than all the other forests we see out there" I don't think HD2 is ass. I don't have the problems you all seem to have playing it, because I've never relied on a community meta. I use the tactics I picked up along the way and the weapons that work ways that feel good to me. For example, I regularly run the purifier, because I love some of the things it let's me do while paired with other tools. I have run the adjudicator since it was "bad". On semi. The regular second gun you get in the game punisher was my go to before that. I use all of these on both fronts on missions anywhere from 7-10. And I do just fine and have a good time. I never needed something to make something in the game easy. I figured out what it takes to not have a difficult time with that content, and then as things change I see how what I'm good at applies to that content and drive on. Because it's a live service with the intent to evolve over time. Because that's what games do now adays.
currently: 1.)Many players don't understand how important samples are. They do not understand they should be farming samples during missions 2.)Clearing out enemies in an area means nothing as a patrol will spawn out of thin air right next to you. And then call in a bunch of back up. 3.)Many weapons feel mediocre and useless so i find myself relying on only a handful of the same things over and over to get the higher difficulty missions completed. 4.) Big enemies make no noise so they just sneak up on you and 1 shot you like bile Titans 5.) Whenever i tag a 2 person door, my character should say "hey got a 2 person door here" have it automatically type in chat "2 person door here" and give all other players an emoji of a 2 person door. That is the only thing in this game you cannot solo...
Rocket scout striders are literally noiseless. Their cannons are bugged and do not emit sound. You only know they are there when you roll snake eyes and whoosh, their rocket comes off cooldown. Reinforcements getting low.
I literally have been saying the old CEO is full of shit and his actions are opposite of his words. Instead of hiring new staff, he spent millions on hiring his friend as CEO who has done nothing but gaslight the community. He protects Alexus and the balance team while saying he "understands the time to kill is too high and that's taking the fun from the game" Then he proceeds to nerf the flamethrower and fire breaker for short term money gains through the new warbond. I've been warning people for months and instead of listening or looking at the facts, these "fans" attacked me, doxxed me, and have me banned on the steam forums. The community brought this on themselves Edit: look at ThiccFilA for an example. He defended the nerfs for months, and I got proof of that, but now that's it popular to hate the game he did a 180 and is profiting off it once again instead of reporting on the facts. The receipts: th-cam.com/video/pYbvoMFKB84/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mKlvWFr2q37ffKsI
Fuck it, I'm going to shamelessly plug the video of ThiccFilA defending the slugger nerf and his entire community when it happened. The same community that's crying the hardest also screamed "git gud" the hardest. th-cam.com/video/pYbvoMFKB84/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mKlvWFr2q37ffKsI
@@litobrigante1413 I haven't watched anything, and I mean ANYTHING thiccfila has made or collaborated with. That peasant tried to act tough with his community when I said this game doesn't need nerfs but buffs when they nerfed the slugger but buffed the jar-5 giving red flags of the game being more p2w. Now he ignores me Edit: I say ignore but it's more like he runs from me cause I call out his hypocrite ass
10:11 lack of consistency is what really kills the game for me. Weapons, enemy AI and spawn mechanics, basic game mechanics, etc., constantly shifting makes it so you can't stick with it as a casual player.
Fr feels like a chore especially on bug front. You had to always bring EAT/commando or youll have too many chargers not killed and special bug structures undestroyed. Atleast on bots its easier
"To allow for creativity, you need to have mechanics that are complex. They need to be consistent and players need to have the freedom to do what they want within that system." >Constantly restricts what players can do >Introduces new bugs every patch >Forces metas by nerfing everything
you can kill a Charger through armor with a flamethrower - _"kill stuff with friends while laughing."_ you can't kill a Charger through armor with a flamethrower - _"Now it's more like a job than a hobby."_
@@Mr_Bo6racting like it's JUST the flamethrower nerf that set people off is disingenuous lol Its the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people.
@@consumerofbepsi5254 It wasn't a nerf, it was a bug fix, thanks to which the flamethrower ignored armor and killed Charger in the leg for ~3sec. The only thing that frustrates me is that fixes like this take so long that everyone starts to think it's normal and not a bug.
Funny thing is I agree with him, which is why he is wrong. The Mithril stopping the pointy end would do little to disperse the incredible force that would shatter ribs and crush organs of a tiny hobbit. On the flip side, no one would send 4 elite troops down against enemies which they had no weaponry to dispatch. If we know you are fighting multiple behemoth chargers, we will give you weapons designed to take them out. An enormous bomb that doesn't hurt things a few meters away? that's not super realistic. A giant expensive space laser with only 3 uses that does 0 damage to titans/tanks wouldn't be invented. An ordinance barrage designed to not hit specific targets would never exist. a super high cost mech that has no ammo, or armor? how is that realistic? Why would that be created? Mines that trigger themselves so they can't explode enemies Or tank mines that are designed to trigger off small target A primary weapon designed to not have enough ammo or DPS to deal with the enemies you are facing. None of these things make sense in the fantasy of a tiny group facing vastly superior numbers and size.
Seriously they need to take about a week off to play the game everyday then see how they feel about "balance". Their spreadsheets aren't telling the real story
@@redfish6549 is that so? i see plenty around 7, and even if the majority are on 5, those up at 9 and 10 get affected like crazy hard in ways that just propogate the devs much hated meta
As a bots-only solo player, it has reached a point where the only way to avoid the things that annoy me in this game is by not playing. Joel is still on holidays for sure because we have been getting shafted in terms of planet variety for weeks. The ragdolling is a deliberate 'fuck every single one you' from the developers. They added impalers, rocket scout striders, and barrager tanks all at once. This game has become RNG versus stims, run speed, and stun grenades, because the only way to survive the chaos is by pre-stimming for your eventual knockdown where active self-defense is impossible. There is no such thing as standing your ground, because it will be blown the fuck out from underneath you by a barrager, or a rocket scout strider will walk up to you nigh invincible because his three bros just sucked your autocannon dry. I liked playing bots because unlike bugs it was not running simulator, constant kiting. You got to shoot your weapon and precision was rewarded. I die so often from impact or getting blasted into the open because shockwaves completely ignore physics and transmit through cover. The core gameplay has become so annoying and luck-based that the fun of shooting the weapons and overcoming legitimate challenges is nearly imperceptible. Also there are three times as many hulks as before EoF, and factory striders are at almost every objective and heavy outpost. Before it was 50-50 whether there was a single static factory strider per map, usually at the extraction point. Just saying, because nobody else seems to be. We used to be sensitive to this kind of thing (like when the patrols changed), but this is so much more than that ever was it is like nobody has even bothered to mention it. I would like this last change, but the massive threat of the ragdoll enemies has overpowered the core mechanic of beating bots, which is tactical positioning (rapid targeted patrols did this too, but to a lesser extent). There is no more cover, and there is certainly no more courage, because running is the new meta.
@@Mr_Bo6r A lot of players have played solo since release. There have always been ways to win in spite of the odds, and the current META (run and stim) was always one of them. That tactic is now head and shoulders above the rest, because of how often the player is put in a defenseless state while trying to fight back, and it is not fun gameplay. It is boring when it works, and an extremely tilting waste of time when it fails. AH was what went wrong.
As a game developer and avid modder, I can understand his perspective even if I think his persistence is misplaced. As a dev, it can empathize with how frustrating it can be when a game you design ends up being played in a manner you did not intend: You've spent hours dedicated to a project with a clear vision in mind, but somehow, due circumstances outside of your control, the audience has completely sideline your vision. There comes a point in the development and release cycle where you have to either swallow your pride and cater to the audience your game attracted, or risk destroying the community you gathered on a vain attempt to force people to play "as intended." Arrowhead seems to be doing is retroactively changing their game to better align with what they initially envisioned the game to be. But at the cost of the community it built. It's like ordering a pepperoni pizza, but with each slice you eat, the cook comes out and puts a new topping on your pizza. With each slice, your pizza becomes less and less of what you desired, to the point that after the third slice, it's unrecognizable and you refuse to eat anymore. The audience you gathered wanted what you delivered; the pepperoni pizza. Now, you are adding a ton of new toppings that the community didn't want or ask for, and it's spoiling the experience for a majority of players. Sure, you're gonna have some folks who will stick around to finish the pizza, but that number is FAR smaller than the people who were willing to eat just pepperoni.
At the same time, when gamers start to experiment and play a game in ways that the developers never though off, it's a good thing, which means the audience is engaged. An engaged audience is exactly the point of a media art form existence; that is the whole point of art; to engage an idea in the audience.
"Believability is important" I still am appalled that my Orbital Gatling, while more of a gun and not really that big on explosions, couldn't kill a single Bile Spewer because "It has armor" when being shot at by cannons from space.
12:20 *Objection!* Phoenix Wright stle: Starship Troopers book (Robert A Heinlien) The MI had power armour that allowed them to "on the bounce" jump over multiple story buildings and every trooper was expected to cover 10 km grids / 7 Mile grids approx. In the movies they didn't have the budget for Power Armour 😂 and that's why the movie is basic padding and nothing else. 😂
when he started talking about the believabilty of fantasy movies like lotr and game of thrones, all of this started to make more sense.... he's compelled to be unable to suspend disbelief in specific situations, which is why helldivers "realism" is so inconsistent, and why I'm now feeling very pessimistic about AH ever actually changing how they balance the game and how they think players should play (and want to play)
I mean objectively, you're not catching me anything but commando and HMG with a supply pack, I've not been swayed to use anything else in for my stratagem list because I'm encourage to play at the highest dif if I want to contribute to the campaign. By doing so I have to play like a pussy and run from every patrol and hit n run objectives.
@@jdbb3gotskills I'd say it's almost never by choice since the game just spawns enemy patrols that wander into you and you're on a time limit to slow and careful doesn't work.
@@jdbb3gotskills Stealthy? Even for that you get punished by patrol spawns that act as if they have a wolf's sense of smell and they're downwind from you. If you managed to dodge one, the game just spawns another and makes the original turn around to have another go at you. The only effective playstyle is to run from every fight. Soon enough they'll implement some mechanic to stop you from disengaging. Like a gunship squad or 3 titans spawning in front of you if the game determines you are moving away from enemies trying to engage with you at a too rapid rate, already aggroed.
@@jdbb3gotskills You CAN absolutely win higher diff WITHOUT running away but apparently thats too sweaty now and everyone want to just chill?? on 9-10, the HARDEST DIFFICULTY in the game.
They sold 12 million copies of a game they only want 0.0001% of their customers to play. Can't wait for Space Marine 2. Hope AH chokes on their hubris.
Wait so this guy emphasizes 'Fantasy First' and then goes on to tell us things that happened in fantasy settings of OTHER media that he doesnt agree with and thinks they are unbelievable? What the fuck was he thinking with this script where he wrote himself into hypocrisy. This is a power fantasy game. Its not realistic. We know it and thats why we love it. Open the fucking throttle! Even if we die, thats why we play...to get more reasons to go absolutely fucking insane. Stop making some stupid tactical shit that NOBODY signed up for. Yeah sure there is some level of coordination needed, and attributes to the experience, but god damnit let us just drop in and go fucking wild and love this shit with OP stuff that lets us enjoy this game again.
With each passing day I increasingly feel like we won’t get this until a new, better game along those lines that we want comes through. Have you played Earth Defense Force or Starship Troopers? Just wondering if they’re better? I’ve also heard HD1 is 20x better than HD2.
Like I said, the primary reason they even put in a anti-cheat into HD2 was never to catch hackers. It was specifically to stop modders unbork what the dev team did. Magika 1&2 survived as long as it did even with all the borking AH laid on the game was due in part to the mod groups.
People who argue that this is not a power fantasy and that all divers are expendable grunts don't take into account that a gun is (realistically) just as deadly in the hands of a hero as it is when wielded by the lowliest grunt. This made the game at launch so good, because shooting felt fair. We died fast, but we also killed fast, and that felt both fair *and* realistic. Now... when it feels like the enemies have machine guns and we have nerfguns, that "grunt" fantasy is gone, and the knee jerk reaction is to turn from the "grunt" fantasy to the "underdog" one. ...Except the ones in our sights aren't bugs or bots, but *our* perceived "oppressors", the devs.
One thing to mention is he brings up Starship Troopers and the grunt fantasy. In the first film a man rides a giant armoured bug and kills it with a standard assault rifle, and later on fires a mini nuke out of a rocket launcher and destroys an even bigger bug that's flinging spores into space. Even in the grunt fantasy movie the characters had better weapons. Also I do feel bad bc these guys aren't bad people whatsoever and developers that are willing to do what they did with the warbonds not expiring, and having cheap armour and prioritising treating consumers right over profits is really commendable. They may be one of very few that are willing to stand up to the trend nowadays when it's much easier to give in to the greed because everyone else is doing it.
I mean why shouldn't they? Gamers finally get a studio that actually gives a shit about consumer practises and this is how they repay them just because you want a power fantasy where it isn't meant to be a power fantasy? They should get rid of super credits altogether and make everyone pay top dollar and make the war bonds last a week before expiring people are just ungrateful whiny little bastards
Look on the bright side. Instead of loving and watching a franchise live and die over a couple decades, you can see it happen in a year! We speeedrunning this shit.
"the game is good for people who have never played it before" Thats not exactly the best sentiment to have about a live service game. But i agree nonetheless.
They've lied since the beginning, they lied about mechanics so they could launch and hope to "fix" them later but they don't know how their engine works. They should have a law suit, for false advertising and holding their game hostage
If I set out to make running shoes and I got them to market and became a millionaire because they were extremely popular with mountain hikers instead would I keep trying to remake, change or balance my shoes to make them better for runners? Or just lean into the hikers and be happy I'm extremely rich and have a massive customer base? These guys are killing a Golden goose with stupidity
@@Tamachii12 I agree it was just unforgettable, i can see in my dreams how i and my friends were shooting with flamethrower through charger leg armor and it was so much fun, but now i can't do it, we all stopped having fun and abandoned the game. Now we wait for Space Marine 2 to burn through armor with flamethrower.
So basically they created a great game, with wide appeal that conquered the hearts of millions, by mistake. Then they said we don't want that we wanted a niche game that only a couple thousands world wide would find enjoyable.
OhDough Don't let the reddit dwellers put you down. Keep putting up good quality content. You're the only good quality Helldivers 2 content creator for being honest, real and not pretentious/clickbait. These devs need to know that they have to step the fuck up.
Yea, GTFO seems the be the game they wanted to make, I've never felt more like a disposable resource than when playing a mind wiped meat robot with a computer in his brain that tells him what to do or die. I should boot it up.
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Where was this broadcasted?
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Their vacation resort.
@@charlesb8 so they had wine and champagne over the "success" of their game during launch, in case the game goes to shit and never had that celebration.
Shit Jorjani talk are garbage
You don't understand shit. In Sweden you are forced to take 2 month summer vacations. It's not optional. @@charlesb8
"we hear you and we're looking into it" is starting to sound more and more like "we think you're wrong and this is why you're wrong"
EXACTLY
unfortunately after this many times i think youre dead on
first time i belived his word but now ain't no way
That's exactly what the attitude is. Arrowhead has zero respect for the players because they think they're holier than thou.
Do you think they are blind? The numbers don't lie. It's a mix of incompetence and an over emotional player base who leaves them confused.
Believable until spawns appear out of thin air. Missile devastators with unlimited misses. But my ammo is reduced for "realism"
@GeepeBrow Oh yea, and you get headshot out of nowhere, turn around, use 200m scope and see a pixel of a bot trooper on top of a mountain sniping you with his little blaster.
@GeepeBrowI mean, they are futuristic robots, them being able to see things in scenarios that we can’t isn’t too far fetched. But I do get your point that it’s frustrating at times
I remember running through a valley to funnel a swarm. Turn around to toss some nades, turn back.. Suddenly a large group of enemies spawn where nothing was there.
I just quit after that.
@@shadow-squid4872 but then smoke strike exists?
They heard you about unlimited rockets of devastators
What I’ll remember about this game in the future: Every update made the game worse and my friends fell off one by one. So I paid for a temporarily good game.
No one I know plays it now because it's not a fun game, it's a running simulation.
first month was game of the year material, the patch that killed railgun (95% was rolled back but AHdoubled-down on the reduced anti-durable) was also the patch that first notably and detrimentally changed the spawn system (spawns trippled overnight and solo was getting 4-man spawn rates, volumes and drop/breach-sizes).
from then on the games gone decently paced from run n gun n loot to mostly-gunning, to mostly-running with looting being almost impossible in the latter 2 more recent sandbox-states due to ANY downtime basically putting you at rick of a tele-snipe ambush by enemies that instantly aggro and your first warning of their existence is a rocket/hunter/MG/walker to the back of the head. gams a total SLOG now in solo and a zero-brain face-roll in most 4-stacks.
@motodrang4287 this has been my experince, last of the guys I played with dropped out at the start of the month and these weren't casuals, none were below level 80 and all were on pretty much every day for 2-3 hour minimum... AH chased off the core playerbase
They have no effing clue what made the game good, confirmed.
Article # A. The bugs that made the game good. Every bug they fix deteriorates the quality of the game. Meaning their formula wasn't what made the game good, only dumb luck.
Guys sniffing his own farts too hard.
They need to learn from Warframe and how "bullet jump" was adapted from a bug or velocity exploit known as "Zoren Coptering". War Thunder and Warframe are the OG kings of the live service and they survive on understanding and interpreting community direction, not sterile studio direction. That ego check is essential to not bleeding the brand. Nerfs are brand damage.
Did you watch the video? The devs are a little off-beat, but I agree with OhDough that the fundamental philosophy is good, and the game will be in a great spot with more powerful weaponry, and that they did a disservice with nerfing the power bugs.
They do and its the "believeable fantasy" they described. They just need to fix bugs and adjust some balance numbers. Stop being a drama queen like everyone on reddit.
@@benignsentient6772 "and the game will be in a great spot with more powerful weaponry"
Mate, we were told that back in May and look what happened. They don't care.
@knowahnosenothing4862 fair points but warthunder doesn't really understand. They just have no real competition and have to be dragged uphill into reality.
This game has wound up being like a bad relationship. In the beginning everything is amazing and you look forward to the time you get to spend playing it. Then slowly patch after patch, nerf after nerf, you start to realize that is more frustrating than fun. However, you still remember how amazing it was and hold out hope that it could still be that way again. But the devs keep grinding you down, breaking what works and what still made you smile. They keep telling you that they were sorry, and it will get better, that wasn't intentional, that they want to listen to you and make changes for the better, but those changes never manifest. It's now at the point where you realize that they are never going to change, it's never going to be the way it was, and you need to get out.
Then you tell them their actions drove you into the arms of another (Space Marine 2)
you are getting too attached bro
Wah
@@deedeekreep9139 The fact losers like you have the time and fucks to give to comment on hundreds of comments per video along with other no life losers defending this game is beyond ironic.
Honestly that's true for most live service games, they usually end up being an abusive relationship. The trick is knowing when to bail out despite the FOMO.
Starting to worry the old ceo is delusional at worst and out of touch at best while the new ceo isn’t being told anything from the actual team while trying to conduct damage control without having any direct influence on what actually makes it to publishing. And the community managers don’t make things any better.
I completely agree, I used to think that the old ceo stepping down as a good thing, but recently, I don't know anymore. I really hope that this new ceo starts figuring stuff out and actually managing his company or this beautiful game is gonna be left in the dust.
I think the only delusional ones here are you for expecting this game to be something it never was. You two should go do more research on what they wanted this game to be. Cause if you think it's just simply a horde shooter than you bought something without doing research and well that's on you for being ignorant.
The game is strongly based on a DND type scenario and in this case it's a intergalactic war. If you have no interest or care in that. You should never have bought this game. Period.
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Guy if you’re telling me to expect frequent game crashes and broken features and missing quality of life features. I would say you are deluded.
@@craig9365 how is your throat still functioning this long after release ?
@@craig9365 Craig... you are _glizzy gooblers_ .. 😂
Arrowhead be like: "Errmmmm aykshyually, you were not intended to have a power fantasy when piloting a giant mech suit with a minigun on it"
id rather they get rid of them and replace them with tanks jeeps and apc's
A cheaply designed mech, with every possible corner cut. :)
He views games as a social experience where you and you’re friends have a good time and bond? Then why have most of my friends stopped playing the game and the few who planned on getting it are now not wanting to get it?
Oh yeah, they all said they don’t want to play a game where the devs nerf the fun out of the game and gaslight the players about how their idea of the game is wrong because “it’s a milsim!”.
It is just a very different game, You just can't compare War Thunder with DCS, ARMR/Squad even to Tarkov. Let say a dev wanted a Dark Soul with Anime Girl, it is how it is if you got lured in by the Anime girl and expected the usual hack and slash game, which also played like one because of bug/exploit/bad balancing.
HD2 is fairly well balance for those who wanted the trained 5 minutes newb on to the war experience, what AH need to do is to rethink their design and have something for the unexpected horde shooter customers.
@@mouseii88 even dark souls is fun with friends, helldivers 2 isn't because helldivers 2 is an unfairly difficult game.
@@orangejuice9396 Nah, It depends on what fun you want. I have friends who love it and who hate it. Your group may have a particular preference that just finds the HD2 kind of game not fun, thus not dun with friends ;or Dark Soul games fun thus fun with friends.
If it is so unfair, you won't get people find HD2 fairly easy to play. It is pretty fair, but gameplay is lame for many.
@@mouseii88 helldivers 2 is only a fun game with friends if you do like milsim tactics and stuff, the people who enjoy helldivers 2 in groups of 4 are people who could probably enjoy anything tbh. people CAN find helldivers 2 fun, just like how people can find dark souls unfun.
an example i kinda wanna bring up is space hulk deathwing, a 40k game where you basically need 3 other people that are good at video games and willing to learn the intricacies to actually play the game at even a basic level.
@@orangejuice9396 well, that's one reason I generally say it is more similar to Squad/ARMA than Battlefield. It is intended for a very niche audience, thus you see complaints about constant running, which is exactly those Milsim games do, run for 5 min and die in 1 sec to Tanks 300m away. The fact that people can Rambo Helldive difficulty say a lot about the weapon is balanced against difficulty.
Try EDF6, if that feels a lot more fun and fair than HD2, your group is a bit out of HD2 "original intention". It is not about nerf or buff, but the fundamental game design of the game, where they need the weapon to do more to be fun for the larger casual audience.
Imo, they don't even need to make the Marksman weapon kill faster, they just need to make them take down Devastators rocket pod and mini gun in 2 shot, and the weapon is instantly 50% more fun.
One correction. Stormtroopers are not meant to be grunts. They’re meant to be deadly, as well as accurate. What Obi-Wan tells Luke while examining the Jawa sand crawler is true. Only Stormtroopers can aim that straight. The reason they’re on screen depiction is not consistent with this is because Lucas was basing Star Wars on old serial films, and those movies had a lot of shooting that was supposed to be accurate and serious, but visually was going in all sorts of random directions.
Yep, Stormtroopers are basically the 75th Rangers of the Empire, not quite spec ops but also not grunts.
Actually, the Stormtroopers ARE very accurate, lol. In every on-screen battle between them and the Rebel grunts, they vastly out perform them. The only times their aim has been atrocious has been: The trap in episode 4 where they wanted them to escape, Bespin when they're running, and the Ewoks (which is pretty fair. They're small, fast, and blend into the dense foliage. Pretty hard to hit that tbh). Tantive 4 was a sweep for the stormtroopers, Hoth was a sweep for the empire aside from the ATs, before the shield was taken down and the ewoks surprise attacked it was almost another sweep for the Empire.
I actually remember reading a few well worded fan theories about Stormtroopers being, at least in some circumstances, explicitly ordered to MISS their shot in order to allow the heroes to escape because [reasons], I'm not expert enough about SW to recontruct it completely here but I'm sure if you google around you'll find a few ppl arguing for it.
Can also just explain away them missing against the jedi because of the force and stuff. Obi-wan was the jedi master of defensive techniques, and it's shown in various settings that jedi have ways of massively making people less accurate or dodging shots from premonition.
@@divvu1014 Don't forget that Vader's master, Palpatine, is a master of deception and manipulation who successfully staged an entire civil war against a Republic that he was a major leader in, as part of a scheme to amass the very army he required to successfully pull off a coup.
It's a ruse of war -- let a retreating foe escape, and then follow them to sus out the location of other enemies. Make the shots just accurate enough to convince them that they are lucky to be alive, and they'll never realize the deception. Vader could easily have had a tracking device installed on the Millennium Falcon while it was aboard the Death Star, which would be how he was able to learn that the Alliance had their headquarters on Yavin 4 -- That's where Han Solo and the others went after escaping, with the Death Star in pursuit.
When they nerf the flame shotgun everybody already has and then sell a new flame shotgun 2 days later for $10, I dont want to hear about how they're treating players ethically
Yes.
But you are making it sound like they nerfed the former to boost the latter (as many games do with their "balancing"). But the latter is also kinda shiz :D. And the former got nerfed for the same reason every weapon did. It's just too reliable (in their own words - aka. getting too many kills)
you actually pay for it? i have every warbond that has released and havent spent a penny for them. farming the currency in game is easy and fun. don't act like they force you to spend real money
@@TheBaron8134damn dude running around the map collecting blue currency is NOT fun lmao that shit is tedious and they know it that's why it's free
@@TheBaron8134 If people aren't having fun playing the game because of all the laughably stupid decisions when it comes to balancing alongside the near-constant presence of game breaking bugs and crashes since launch, I think it's stupid to think that people are going to WANT to farm super credits.
@@MysticLuka Exactly.
Couldn't have said better.
6:43 the realistic take is bull. Its Selected realism. If realism is sooooooo important to the game other things such as Ammo racking and ammo dets would be apart of the game. when High Explosive is hit it tends to explode.
It is, shooting the rocket pods on devastators or the rockets on striders makes them explode
Flamethrower would be a better example for the argument you're trying to make.
@@kaden-sd6vb It takes a fuck tone to break a devs rockets and it doesn't kill it, the only thing that actually works is the new strider
If they want to make it realistic then give me a stack of 150 super credits when I pick them up instead of the measly 10
@@kaden-sd6vb Yes they made the flamethrower into a gas torch for youtube instead of a flamethrower complete with adhesive foam like reality of the weapon. So they went opposite of reality and then present that as a win. Idiots.
@@kaden-sd6vb The dev rockets exploding looks like it tickles the thing, and the rockets on the striders just pop out of existence sometimes, not killing it.
"We want you to be a grunt" we play in teams of 4 alone against swarms. This is NOT a design that says grunt. This design says "elite squad behind enemy lines."
I described HD2 as a game where four glass cannons drop down into the middle of a swarm of enemies and need to get out without shattering. Arrowhead apparently wanted four glass squirt guns dropping into a searm of enemies.
If they really want us to feel like grunts armed with wet noodles drop us in whole platoons of 30-40 guys. Of couse that'd never work practically because of how small the maps are and the p2p hosting would probably shit itself, but it would be an interesting take at least.
@@hanley9073and they could’ve/ should’ve worded it better so they matched the game they made. I agree, it’s def not a grunt feel.
Fr, what the hell is a grunt fantasy when you don’t even have enough teammates to fill a proper squad
@@hanley9073 I think it could also work if the weapon they gave us were more powerful but also more dangerous for ourselves, like the unsafe railgun but more extreme, or the pre-nerf eruptor after the shrapnel bounced back to us. So it would make sense they would only send 4 of us (we can do a lot of damage) and also make sense why we are considered expendable (no sane, actually trained person would try to use those badly designed weapons). This would also add more varied funny deaths and a degree of skill expression to keep people playing to get to master them.
A grunt commanding a whole star destroyer and having all its arsenal at his complete disposal. Artillery, air support, logistics, all at that grunt's command WHILE he does all the fighting too. One hell of a grunt indeed!
"Stormtroopers can't aim" Well, that explains why the crosshairs are all misaligned...
I like it. Also in game perks if you want a more steady aim
@@deedeekreep9139crosshairs should work period. It literally goes against Piles other points of being “believable”
@xdCrispy-Crisss uhh they do work lol. You just can't go around sprinting like it's cod and expect to have the same accuracy. Their system is fun as fuck and like I said there's in game perks ypu cam throw on if it's really that much of an issue
@@deedeekreep9139The crosshairs literally do not match up to where the bullets are fired, that isn’t some “extra challenge” or something that promotes you to learn, it’s literally a broken function of one the core systems of the game (shooting to kill enemies)
@@deedeekreep9139 What game are you playing?
After watching Pilestedt savor his own farts on stage for 45 minutes I have no confidence Arrowhead going forward.
Yup, the self-aggrandizing is on a whole nother level. It's insane but lines up with how they've treated the player base.
@@hawk9mm It explains EVERYTHING.
He played the community like a fiddle...
I didn't get that feeling at all. He was sweating the entire time :D.
Game developer, with less concurrent players than L4D2 after a few months, has a messianic complex.
Let's hope some better Devs take inspiration from HD2 and make a better game.
There’s very little hope left as most of the things that made the game so much fun for players turned out to be unintended bugs. Which is why the game becomes worse and worse as they fix all the “issues” from the devs point of view.
The problem is that they’re too resistant to changing their philosophy. Sadly, we’re at the “point of no return” for many players, and if the developers don’t change their philosophical approach in the next 60 days (the timeline they set out), then this game will continue to bleed players.
I guarantee you, if HD1 was a 3rd person shooter, the game would be miles ahead of the current game
For me (and my friends) the "point of no return" will be at illuminates update. If Arrowhead fucked up that launch and didn't correct all the previous bugs and nerfs, it's going to be a definitive goodbye for me...
No return? As if every single person in this comment section wouldn't come back at the drop of a hat if they got what they wanted
@@Pyromaniac77777Yeah and what are the odds of that happening lmao
@@Pyromaniac77777I mean, that has always been the desire? To be able to come back if they make positive changes? Not to let the game die.
@@Pyromaniac77777 You’re right that most people here would come back if the game were improved, but what percentage of players that have left do you think are still here, watching videos like these? I doubt it’s even near 20%. Thousands of people have simply lost interest and aren’t going to come back. A SUBSTANTIAL amount of good will has been lost
15:00 - "Believabltility" - it is unbelievable that they dropped 4 helldivers with 20 lives to deal with an army with unlimited backup.
It's unbelievable that the SEAF has nigh unlimited funds and fuel (thanks to the bugs) to straight up just have every "grunt" able to call in cannon barrages from their fucking Destroyer.
If they have that level of destructive power, why the fuck are they not just leveling bug nests before we even get their? Why do I need to direct the airstrikes? XD
What kind of military sense does it make to use high explosive and danger close air support literally 20 meters away when you could have done EVERYTHING like five minutes prior to dropping the troops in to retrieve anything high priority.
Like, wut?
The fact that Helldivers are expendable but at the same time more than 5 losses per destroyer are considered unacceptable makes me feel like the Democracy Officers on our Super Destroyers are just really really lazy. Except when we are in range of enemy artillery of course.
Exactly. If they wanted a grunt fantasy they made the exact wrong gameplay basics. If they wanted grunt fantasy we should have way more than 4 people in a game, or at least the map should be spammed with friendly units, we should have *WAY* more lives than we do, respawning should be automatic and only a few seconds, and stratagems should not be as powerful or common as they are. Maybe as kill streaks even.
They made a game that's completely antithetical to what they wanted. Call of Duty and Battlefield are grunt fantasy, not this. This was designed to be like Warframe, Deep Rock Galactic, Space Marine.
Exactly what I said, helldivers are supposed to be elite. A step above your typical SEAF soldiers. If they were "grunts" there wouldn't be only 20 reinforcements per destroyer with an armada of weaponry 🙄
The hell divers only have 1 life. When you die technically they unfreeze another trooper to be sent in. It feels like many life’s but it’s not.
Im now 100% sure helldivers 2 was a lucky hit. They have no idea what people want despite being screamed at their faces
Kinda like BL2.
No borderlands game has come close to bl2s success.
The irony is stormtroopers can aim and obi wan Kenobi says “only stormtrooper are so precise” but when facing main characters with plot armor, of course they suck… Disney ruined this and went with the meme… we should still have great weapons.
Edit : Mithril is magic johan!!!
Judging by the amount of nerfs we got because of ways to kill chargers is it canon in helldivers lore, that terminid chargers are main characters then?
Wait Disney created Star Wars? R u serious?!
@@Aqua-steamWdym? He didn't said that.
@@Aqua-steamno; but they bought Star Wars like a decade ago. I wont go any further because its a sore spot for alot of fans.
If I recall I think they were ordered not to shoot lethal on the MCs
A game for everybody is a game for nobody. A game without a clear philosophy is an directionless mess.
This game feels so awful to play and raw fucken raw. It’s a big fucken mess and it’s embarrassing lol
I believe we can get a good glance of their games direction from their other games, Helldivers 2 feels like its going that way.
You see, this quote was actually used to praise the game by fans because fans saw it as a sign that the dev weren't trying to pander to everyone. Now, this is the first time I have seen it used against them.
They're making games for nobody i guess.
Personally I love the game and the devs vision
I'm a dad and just want to tool around a play a couple hours a night.
Might I reccommend Deep Rock Galactic as a replacement game for casual bug genocide?
Which means every game ever made has to also cater specifically to people who choose to have kids? Is this the only game that exists all of a sudden?
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@@HHTwice, see, you get it.
Honestly the safest way for AH to drown all the casual player complains right now is to implement a damage multiplyer. Lower difficulties will have roughly the same enemy types and spawns as the higher difficulties do, but the player damage and the damage they receive will be increased and decreased accordingly. This way you can have people playing a diff 4 game killing BTs and Impalers with ease and have their power fantasies, instead of sweating heavily and dying like a souls game character.
The developers gave their creations in game( automatons/bugs ) “PLOT ARMOR”. They are the good guys in their eyes. The players are the evil bosses henchmen. No wonder they keep nerfing the players who are doing too well at killing their heroes who have plot armor(bugs/bots). That’s a terrible business decision.
Oh yes of course we can't let the fictional ai space Hitler minions have fun
The leftist mentality of identifying with anything other than humanity will never cease to boggle my mind. On the one hand, you have the actual literal cumminst bugs, where each individual is owned by the state, functions only to provide foe the state, and is imminently expendable, and on the other you have the actual literal ww2 bad guy bots, who operate based on a principal of racial superiority, recapturing their fatherland, even right down to the occultism aspect(have you seen the blood altars they have, where it looks likenthey ritualistically mutilate and dismember captured humans? Reminds me of the stuff the SS were into). Humanity has its flaws, I'm certainly not into the twisted Marxian policies made by a certain spaghetti man that they appear to practice(yes, the Italian fashion philosophy is similar but different to the German mustache philosophy), but they're still _humans._
*HUMANITY FIRST.*
The developers creating the game around the POV of the enemy faction could be an interesting idea as a way to add a sense of escalation and difficulty. However, it falls apart when they use the omnipotent powers to remove ammo and add cooldowns to the other sides weapons
Making your players the enemy is only gonna become a problem in the long run.
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Pilestedt yapping as usual. Even back when he was still CEO, the guy was the epitome of all talk - no action. I vividly remember how he wrote half a thesis on Twitter about how weak most of the primaries are, only for his team to then release another batch of nigh-useless assault rifles that are still as useless today.
Him taking over the dev team was also supposed to be an epiphany (or so many angry fans told me when I voiced concern). Yet all it brought us was one mid update, and an update that introduced a fire-themed warbond alongside massive nerfs for all fire-based weapons. 4d chess right here.
He's in agreement with the nerfs. That's the only explanation besides his inability to manage anything at his own company.
Everyone was (and still is) injecting large doses of copium...
10:08 "allow creativity, freedom to do what they want, consistent" - what a bunch of lies.
"You don't have freedom ? You can choose between 3 options we want you to use out of 90 others that are useless"
@@polskipolak9073thats... not accurate
@@MrTLSfan prove your point
@@polskipolak9073 you can use s lot more than 3 options and there are only a handful of useless weapons or stratagems in the game, namely the Tesla Tower, some of the liberator variants, and throwing knives. Oh and armor buffs are basically meaningless, except for pure armor / movement speed and stamina regen
the breaker incendiary got nerfed because it was too reliable and the bile titan head hitbox is still buggy
Ok so HD2 is just a management nightmare, this should be a case study
The old and new CEO's are out of touch with their staff. Their community managers are out of control, they lash out at players for giving criticism, and to top it all off they have developers that can't seem to patch bugs in their own game
@@pickle7433 SO what your saying is the ship is sinking and the Old CEO seeing the iceberg got out of dodge ASAP.
Let the game die, they deserve it.
@BladeMasterIcarus The old CEO is still there. What we have, going off your example, is the captain led his ship into an iceberg and the passengers told him there is a huge hole in the ship. The crew are incompetent and, despite the passengers telling them how to weld it shut, managed to blow the boiler submerging more of the ship into the icy water. The captain then decided to put his first mate in charge, go down to the engine room and caused the engine room to explode for no reason whatsoever. The passengers are mostly abandoning ship but some are staying, telling them how to fix it, but the crew keeps blowing up everything they touch. In a final act of desperation, now they're trying to convince the passengers that they bought tickets to ride a submarine.
@@actinium2754 That's a really good analogy. I'm stealing that
I swear, fun must be illegal in Sweden for them to keep nerfing anything the players touch.
It also must be law that they have to take convenient vacations at a game's most pivotal point in its lifespan and leave it broken and unattended for weeks or months.
Sweden sucks I will never buy any game from there again
@@bigmemer4398 testify brother
nah its germany that outlawed fun :P
Arrowhead is a co-op. So, yeah. It explains a lot of their decisionmaking, and why they haven't hammered down the mod team and fired the shit stirrers.
Banning people for not liking furry art.
Banning people for gatekeeping the pride nuts.
Mods gloating and laughing at banning 'bigots'
It's just a shit show on Discord. I bet Sweden's got them UK hate speech laws and fun is literally illegal.
the entire dev team is full of shit. they have taken a.defensive stance against their players and that's a very immature thing to do which tells me all I need to know. they will be better when they have their desired 5k player base like they had originally expected
Won't hold 3k they are just like their engine devs FATSHARK
"We want the players to feel like stormtrooper grunts"
> Makes a game where 4 elite ODST super soldiers takes on an entire battalion complete with orbital, air & heavy weapons authorization.
My dude, if this was a film, they would be the A-Team. Y'know, the guys who you call when you have a very specific problem. It's so over.
If you really want to make the player feel like pointless grunts, go play foxhole and really understand your despair and inability to make an impact as a lone individual.
SEAF are the grunts, Helldivers are supposed to be the elites. I don't know why AH wants to change that?
Taking a realistic route in a unrealistic game is wild.
Worse, it's selective realism.
@@OrionDawn15 as long as it makes the player suffer is OK
@@navi-charlotte right cause we
are the grunts. With near nuclear bombs
If the game was realistic, Super Earth would not be sending 4 dudes with 20 backups against an enemy that has unlimited reinforcements. They'd just bombard the planet from orbit and send in a platoon to do cleanup and extract any high value assets.
If the game was realistic, destroying a rocket tank should make it explode like a nuke as all the unused munitions go off all at once. Also, emptying a flamethrower directly into a tank's heat sink should rapidly raise the temperature of the engines until it explodes.
They need to just can the 'realism' talk. All they're doing is repeatedly putting their foot in their mouths when they try to bring it up.
@@qu1253 AH: Realism for thee, not for me.
The review bomb cape will never released. Sony will not like that AH reward us for our behavior against sony.
The moment a game studio signs with a big game publisher it's over
@@stronensycharte64it’s definitely not great
But I do wonder if Sony stupidity is genuinely secondary to what AH commits too on average
@@stronensycharte64 its the same thing with a company going public: its the end of quality and the beginning of maximizing profits
maybe not the same for arrowhead, they seem to be going the destroy the quality and make profit impossible route.
I can’t believe this games success was a complete accident.
@GeepeBrowBG3 won goty so anything is possible
@@TheCosmicAstro-What’s up with BG3?
@@Dr.Oofersnothing, that is a game, that has almost 2x a content that it had arpt launch for free... Meanwhile hd2 is a joke, where you need to pay for water guns...
Play hd2 so you can simulate running and dying repeatedly. How...fun...
_"I can’t believe this games success was a complete accident."_
the flamethrower ignores the Charger's leg armor - the game is successful and _FUN_
the flamethrower doesn't ignore the Charger's leg armor - the game is not success and not fun
Makes me glad I got my 40 dollars worth out of this game while it was still fun. These devs are clueless from top to bottom, and the sooner we accept that we're not getting the game we paid for back, the better
So true. I would have felt way more burned if I had joined in now instead of on launch. Even the story events were better. We certainly had more agency and influence as well.
realism only applies to our ammo but bots have unlimited rockets
@GeepeBrow To add even more salt to the wound, they use the old flame thrower animation...
His 6 week vacation is almost over so that means his next 6 week vacation is only 2 weeks away.
Gotta love sweden.
Huuuuh??? Wdym
@@drscarab99 devs keep running away to avoid facing the fanbase's requests, complains and critics
Holy fuck, I wish I have that amount of vacations. Its Sweding time!
@@LegendKingY2jIt's Swedish law, they are required to take this break at some point.
I'm not defending Arrow Head for their decisions, just the fact that this is pretty normal. We will even see this happen again next year. It just sucks when they preach live service but take 2-3 months off a year. Hard to have live services when 1/6th of the year most of your team is on leave.
AH accidentally made a good game. They are doing everything in their power to undo that mistake.
Incompetence.
"how many lightsaber strikes does it take to cut off a hand? one, of course"
"how many antitank missiles does it take to kill a tank?"
HMMMMMMMMMM
17?
To my assumpion, it would be 18 and a half
Helldivers: We want you to feel like one of those grunts in the movies that usually get one shot by the main characters and can't get anything done.
Space marines II: We want you to feel like the elite force in the galaxy who can jump in a horde of 10 enemies and tear them open with your bare hands.
They want you feel like that grin the first week or two. Then, as you run lower level missions and learn how the games mechanics work, you learn to slowly be a veteran in the field, mentally soldier that survived that first hundred days and now knows his way around surving and fighting in combat.
If you can't do anything, I k kw this gets tossed around a lot, but that's a skill issue. A decent team mKes 7s and 8s feel like 3s and 4s. I frequently glance at the difficulties when it's happening just to confirm I didn't forget to tier up after helping some beginner SOS calls.
@@onerimeuse The problem is, it's just not fun. They keep introducing stronger enemies and buffing the ones already there, but our arsenal gets weaker. The first game wasn't like this. Everything was viable, some things were better than others but the chaos was embraced and instead of your effectiveness being limited they just threw more difficult things at you to obliterate.
@@onerimeuse That's a stupid take, it's not about difficulty, it's about bad and boring gameplay. I know people like you get a bonner going on the internet and saying "skill issue" and talking about how you can clear the hardest difficulties, but the game isn't hard in the first place. You can literaly outrun most enemies in the game, you can complete the hardest difficulty on solo while barely shooting at all, thing is that feels like shit for most people, that's clearly not how people want to play the game and that's not what the game used to be like.
You wanna talk about skill go play a competitive sweaty game, not on a PvE game where you can outrun everything that's thrown at you.
@@neziaojuara1768 for real, these "skill issue" types like running away all the time and then come to the comments gloating about clearing lvl 9 and 10 diff. yet the way they play sounds so painfully boring and not worth the time to even attempt if its just gonna be a running sim. imagine making a horde shooter and make it in a way where fighting the horde in said horde shooter is a bad idea and running away is the way to play. so delusional. this game used to be so fun, but the devs are killing it, and the community who meatride the devs so hard are also the problem. helldivers community is so toxic and braindead that the only thing they say is "git gud" or "skill issue" which tells me all i need to know about these people.
Good thing its not the lamenter chapter though. 😂
Bro's literally making a game for NO-ONE. Im a nerd, I have 200 games in my library, 40 of them are rogue-likes and I can literally find 10 games that are just better than Helldivers 2, even Helldivers is better than Helldivers 2 now, the state of the game is hilarious and tragic.
Helldivers 2 have no optimization, no fun mechanics, it's not "easy to learn, hard to master", it's impossible to master, one ragdoll and you're dead, the only thing you can do is cry about it. And your reinforcement or survivability skills literally don't matter, because if you have reinforcements - you're not losing, and Helldivers did it SO MUCH better. In Helldivers if everyone dies - it's joever, you skill of dodging enemies and how fast you can call reinforcement can be a difference between a lost run and a successful run. Your stratagems matter and how fast you can call them matters. Mechs may be a joke for some, but unlike in HD2 they're honestly good, you're sacrificing one stratagem slot to make a part of a run easier and they feels meaningful, they are meaningful.
Helldivers 2 is just a disappointment for me, disappointment for a guy that likes good design in games, that values gameplay over everything else, for a neard that adores good games, games that know their community with devs that care about their game and community, with gameplay that feels good.
See ya in Deep Rock Galactic, waiting until HD2 is fixed
Im glad I got to play the Mech where the biggest problem was turning left and firing a rocket. It was honestly still pretty fun before it got absolutely gutted by that cuck alexsus
Okay, I’m sold. Heading over to buy HD1.
ROCK AND STONE
Just go play EDF 5 or 6.
They are just better helldivers 2
Kill bugs, bots and aliens with inf ammo, awesome weapons and call ins with barely any limits.
Don't hold your breathe...
If I had heard his spiel before I bought the game I probably wouldn't have bought it at all.
As a matter of fact, i'm fairly certain if they had been honest in their advertising, I doubt many people would have.
it's so painfull to watch
They were honest in their advertising, you have buyer's remorse
Whi h part of their advertising was a lie, exactly? The obviously satire based recruiting commercial style of trailers that intentional include helldivers dying in every other scene? Or are you going to drop the thing that says "over powered weapons" while ignoring thst you can call in 380mm shells from orbit for a minute straight while cleaning the objective next to it with a giant laser?
@@m4stermodderThey were not, the back of the box literally says "spread democracy with OVERPOWERED weapons."
How's that boot taste?
@@onerimeuseI see you forgot that 380 is pathetically bad and the laser will be gone for several minutes afterwards. Rely on your strategems...except those aren't sufficient either
"We're all nerds"
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Said dude who doesn't know what's happening in his game and struggles hard even with a full team on difficulty 5.
still can't get over them wasting a mag in the front of a tank, then the looks on their face realizing it was doing nothing
Why does no one mention
Storm Troopers
and
Mobile Infantry are atleast 30 guys together on a mission
why do we only get 4?
simple, its a bs engine with spaghetti code in between
Ngl seeing starship troopers having 24 players in a match against bugs is what i wish Helldivers 2 have a big missions where they give us 12 players coop
I still want a proper Starship trooper game, the power armor and proper jump troopers rather than cannon fodder from the Paul virhoven movie.
Arrowhead basically told us in the beginning "come be a superhero, kill bugs and bots, the enemies of Super Earth with overpowered weapons" which is just super earth propaganda to get people to enlist as a helldiver. In reality, what arrowhead wants is cannon fodder constantly getting swarmed, armed with peashooters and paper thin armor. Arrowhead is Super Earth, we're the unlucky sods that bought into the propaganda.
Well said
and just like real propaganda, this will effect the numbers, but unlike communist governments, we are the consumers, and we actually hold the power over them.
sure, they might have had success on launch financially, but a big part of that would have been paying back sony, and now to keep the lights on and everyone paid,
how long do you think it'll take them before they realize this is NOT the infinite money printer they thought it would be, and the studio will be absorbed in the conglomerate that is sony?
This is unironically true. There were a fair amount of video essays going off about the satiric "under"tone of the game and the dystopia of Super Earth. I don't know what's more concerning, that people are willingly blinding ourselves to that now in order to voice protest, or that they were blind to this all along.
That said, you can deliver that dystopia without making the game horribly frustating.
All weapons should be able to damage any target, at different rates. He likes warhammer ; you can damage any unit by rolling a 6 to wound which makes all units feel like they can at the very least be useful
Og Warhammer like 3rd or something actually had a rule preventing lasguns and weak weapons from damaging titans, but yeah I see what you mean.
For real! I’ve been saying this since I started playing this game. So many guns do NOTHING against lots of enemies. Very frustrating way to play.
THIS 100%.
I can't wait for Space Marine 2 to come out so all the 40k fans can go there and not ruin the game with their nonsense.
Helldivers 2 was a success for the same reasons that Halo 2 was a success. It was a fun casual game that pretty much anyone could play, but it took a fair bit of skill (but not overwhelming) to master. Once they started trying to force certain metas, the game was done. Taking fun away in a non-pvp game makes people uninvest themselves.
I don’t think them making weapons and stratagems stronger will take away from their original vision of players not having plot armor. Hell, if anything, the enemies have plot armor due to how much damage they take before they die (especially chargers)
The game HD has become is not the game I bought. I feel like they did a bait and switch. If they want the game to be a dark souls like game just come out and say it so I can move on.
Not even like dark souls. Dark Souls isn't very difficult, and it's extremely fair. One, it doesn't take control away from the player at all, and two, YOU CAN DODGE. If you're getting spammed by insane shit in Helldivers not only can't you dodge, but if you get hit once you tend to get ragdolled for 30-40 seconds and die. Also, the power scaling for the player in Dark Souls is insane, and there are multiple ways to utterly dominate the game with giga-damage weapons and magic or just tanking everything.
Dark souls has better balance than this trash.
Dark souls has multiple solutions to multiple problems, even if you have to pause and change your approach here and there depending on the challenge. This feels like we’re relearning how to play the game every single patch because enemy behaviors change and our toolbox gets weaker and smaller.
@@SmegwardProductions remember, while Arrowhead is playing and testing HD2 at diff 5, From Software's own Hidetaka Miyazaki personally makes sure he can beat the games they make before they ship.
Calling whatever tf they're doing a Dark Souls like difficulty is an insult to those games (no shade at you just being dramatic).
Dark souls is difficult like cutting a log with an Axe is difficult, it may take some time and you'll have to put effort in, but it's reasonable.
HD2 is difficult in the way cutting a log with a butter knife is difficult. Sure, you'll cut that log eventually, it'll just take half a year, all your strength, oh and btw if we feel you're going too fast we'll replace your knife with an even duller bread knife.... for "realism".
"Original intent," "core design" of Helldivers.
He can say this all he likes, but then why are the fans from the first game saying HD2 is a worse experience than the first game, which embodied the core design intent of the helldiver universe?
The weapon balance of this sequal is destroying all the fun that was built into the original and helped the fans push new players into the game.
If Helldivers 2 was marketed as a grunt fantasy in which you die repetitively I would have never invested a cent into it.
All the marketing for this game sold it as a power trip in which you can be an action hero. You could be Johnny Rico on the back of the bug chewing through it with your mg.
That's not what the game is now by any means. It is utterly miserable to the point I and all my friends have stopped playing.
If Arrowhead wants to turn this game into the CBT-simulator they seem to be balancing for, I want my money back.
Ya I want a refund too
So you fell for the Starship troopers propaganda that told you you're an invincible Super soldier
@@therandomcommenter6629Atleast in that movie you’re actually part of a cohesive platoon and rank. The only part of the movie where you’re in a small squad is the part where one of the main characters get their brains sucked out by the bugs. Lemme tell you, that part of the propaganda does not look fun.
I bought Helldivers 2 three times-- for me, my brother, and a good friend we all stopped playing around the same time for the same reasons (and it didn't help it was around the Sony indicident timeframe)
Same, I gifted a copy of Helldivers and my friends group (6 people in total) stopped playing already. Half went down after the Sony incident, the other half went down after the flamer nerfs, me included.
I bought my buddy a copy and i bought super citizen for myself and the game just went down a hole ever since.
I think a week later they intentionally ruined spawning patrols for everyone and have never fixed it since. It's not a bug it's 100% intentional. They can't just keep pretending their spawning code is too difficult to understand.
A friend of mine and I suspect they are deliberately nuking the game to save on server costs. Certainly, hosting 10k players is a lot cheaper than hosting 450k. Dunno if their math for warbond sales didn't add up, so they'll keep yeeting the player base until it's manageable.
I bought this game for my friend as a gift, but refused to accept it because I heard that you can no longer kill chargers with a flamethrower in the leg, and as everyone knows that's where all the _FUN_ lies.
The "another team made HD2 and handed it over to AH" theroy sounds more true every day. The devs have no clue what they are doing or why it worked in the first place
I've heard a lot of people make this claim, but it seems they're probably correct 34:00 - 34:48
"The velocity of this particular anti tank round is such an important topic" - Is that why they didn't manage to fix the projectile momentum bug and we have to fire everything while diving? Such important.
It looks like they caught a star and immediately fell to the level of Ubisoft and further down the list)
absolutely insane how they are 'balancing' the game just like how ubi did it with siege... creating metas only because everything else is worse
@hazedraze shit now I know why they haven't learned, ubisoft still goes by the same methods why would AH's change be any quicker
Almost everything he says makes him look like a hypocrite based on the updates they do... This video just makes me sad... All we can do it vote with money, stop buying war bonds, and down vote the game. Its pretty clear that him stepping down was just a big show to make us feel better. They keep saying they will make it better but they just don't...
Support weapons such as recoilless rifle should one shot elites.
1) its a stratagem
2) its a weapon specifically for elite units
3) you can’t use a backpack stratagem(primarily supply backpack).
4) the recoilless is literally shown to one shot a bile titan in the intro.
There are so many limitations for very little pay off if it can’t one shot them.
There’s also human error to consider, players aren’t hitting 100% of their shots all the time.
The problem with "Realism" in this game is that it only applies to their philosophy when it's fucking over the player. If however the subject is mile long tentacles coming out of an impaler with an effective range that you can never escape even when running from them for over 5 minutes it can be as video gamey as it wants. That's just one recent example but the entire game is built around these things that just overall feel very antagonistic, to the point that any time "realism" is used as an explanation what it really sounds like is an excuse for bullshit... and everyone knows it. Video gamey mechanics can be fine and work well but you can't only use them to arbitrarily try and punish the player, because it just starts to feel cheap and players start to feel robbed, those feelings are frustrating and frustrated players are much less likely to leave the game feeling like they had fun, and the biggest problem it seems to me is that the developers seem absolutely determined to try and force frustrating situations onto you.
This is why most of our weapons have seemingly been nerfed, because most of the "Balance" in this game is actually about keeping you from killing chargers effectively, that's 100% the reason the Flamethrower was changed when it was and you'll never convince me otherwise. The reason no one plays the bots is because most players don't enjoy the frustration of being stun locked in a ragdoll simulator. There are higher level players who have figured out ways to midigate that but most of the player base decided to just avoid it instead. The problem is that with each subsequent patch the developers continue to strip the players of options in order to arbitrarily make the game harder, they aren't adding meaningful challenges, they're just forcing you to play the one way that they deem as "fun" which is why I find it so damn laughable when they say they're very against the idea of a "meta" because all they've ever done is force one on us.
"Would you survive galactic war without a plot armor?" Probably not because I would unrealistically trip on terrain and then got ragdolled across the map into a knee deep water where I would drown making my samples unpick-able.
I can tell you why I think Helldivers 2 was such a hit… because you got to call in tremendous, huge explosions while battling Starship Troopers Bugs and Terminator Bots and it looked awesome. The price was right and at launch, we had weapons that at times, felt powerful. People would laugh at team kills because the conflict was wild and the explosions supersized, so unintended causalities had to be forgiven, and made for great content.
I think one of the problems with the "Grunt Fantasy" is that in movies like Star wars the storm Troopers are up against the main protagonists. In Helldiver's we are fighting other grunts.
Also we are using weapons that are, for the most part, basically weapons that were designed to eliminate other humans. They love the idea of realism yet we are fighting giants big and robots.
Right after helldivers 2 came out, I had to leave for multiple months and had no means to play games except on the steam deck, which could barely play Helldivers 2 at all. I told myself, "its okay, itll still be here when you get back."
LMAO, yeah right. The game I purchased and got to play a few times at launch, LITERALLY was not there when I got back. It had been replaced with one with a tiny, gutted community, and a feeling that no matter what loadout I tried, I just couldn't figure out what the game expected me to do to succeed. I feel robbed.
Nah now that's unlucly
I mean, did you jump straight back into helldive, instead of walking the tiers to find your feet? It's not a difficult game once you understand how things work together. And the best way to get that is either doing the hardest stuff knowing you're doing it as a crash course, or just running lower level stuff to get up to speed worth the game. There's still always active players, there's new gear, new enemies. There's stuff to learn.
If you exist in 2024 and didn't expect a live service game to grow and change while you were out, that'd very much a you problem. Not the devs. You can say the same about basically any game out there. Meta changes in cod, big patches for no man's sky, seasonal content shakes up entire other games (fortnite and path of exile both come to mind as prime examples of this)
If you wanted to buy a game that wasn't going to evolve, may I point you towards.... I dono... The games made before the live service concept was born.
*shrug*
@@onerimeuseJesus you missed a whole forest for the trees
The updates are bad
The meta change is bad
And the player numbers are getting worse
I play DRG and I just laugh at these changes play a live service game that isn’t ass
@@onerimeuse
No one expected the game to remain stagnant. Like... at all. The game did, however, change. And it did not change for the better. There is not a single "successful" game out there that had a drop off like HD2 did. It was rushed out the door, did the bare minimum, and the devs clearly have a "dungeon master vs player" mindset rather than "Lets make a videogame" mindset. The developers are trying to "win" against their customers.
@@tylerulfmann4586 mate, I'm not missing the forest. I'm acknowledging the forest for what it is. Yall got here and said "hey, this forest is eucalyptus, where are the redwoods? Hey, forest service, your forest is wrong. Plant redwoods instead"
Meanwhile, those of us that didn't come with expectations are siting back saying "ah, man, this forest could use more things to do, and there's a lot of bugs, but otherwise we appreciate the forest for being different than all the other forests we see out there"
I don't think HD2 is ass. I don't have the problems you all seem to have playing it, because I've never relied on a community meta. I use the tactics I picked up along the way and the weapons that work ways that feel good to me. For example, I regularly run the purifier, because I love some of the things it let's me do while paired with other tools. I have run the adjudicator since it was "bad". On semi. The regular second gun you get in the game punisher was my go to before that. I use all of these on both fronts on missions anywhere from 7-10. And I do just fine and have a good time.
I never needed something to make something in the game easy. I figured out what it takes to not have a difficult time with that content, and then as things change I see how what I'm good at applies to that content and drive on. Because it's a live service with the intent to evolve over time. Because that's what games do now adays.
"The community you grow is the community you get"
Amen.
currently:
1.)Many players don't understand how important samples are. They do not understand they should be farming samples during missions
2.)Clearing out enemies in an area means nothing as a patrol will spawn out of thin air right next to you. And then call in a bunch of back up.
3.)Many weapons feel mediocre and useless so i find myself relying on only a handful of the same things over and over to get the higher difficulty missions completed.
4.) Big enemies make no noise so they just sneak up on you and 1 shot you like bile Titans
5.) Whenever i tag a 2 person door, my character should say "hey got a 2 person door here" have it automatically type in chat "2 person door here" and give all other players an emoji of a 2 person door. That is the only thing in this game you cannot solo...
Rocket scout striders are literally noiseless. Their cannons are bugged and do not emit sound. You only know they are there when you roll snake eyes and whoosh, their rocket comes off cooldown. Reinforcements getting low.
I literally have been saying the old CEO is full of shit and his actions are opposite of his words.
Instead of hiring new staff, he spent millions on hiring his friend as CEO who has done nothing but gaslight the community.
He protects Alexus and the balance team while saying he "understands the time to kill is too high and that's taking the fun from the game"
Then he proceeds to nerf the flamethrower and fire breaker for short term money gains through the new warbond.
I've been warning people for months and instead of listening or looking at the facts, these "fans" attacked me, doxxed me, and have me banned on the steam forums.
The community brought this on themselves
Edit: look at ThiccFilA for an example. He defended the nerfs for months, and I got proof of that, but now that's it popular to hate the game he did a 180 and is profiting off it once again instead of reporting on the facts.
The receipts:
th-cam.com/video/pYbvoMFKB84/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mKlvWFr2q37ffKsI
The helldivers boot lickers are some of the worst
Fuck it, I'm going to shamelessly plug the video of ThiccFilA defending the slugger nerf and his entire community when it happened. The same community that's crying the hardest also screamed "git gud" the hardest.
th-cam.com/video/pYbvoMFKB84/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mKlvWFr2q37ffKsI
I definitely undubbed because he was letting that weirdo Eravan talk down about ohdough just to have him on agreeing with him about the shitty nerfs
There's people giving head to arrowhead from the beginning
@@litobrigante1413 I haven't watched anything, and I mean ANYTHING thiccfila has made or collaborated with.
That peasant tried to act tough with his community when I said this game doesn't need nerfs but buffs when they nerfed the slugger but buffed the jar-5 giving red flags of the game being more p2w.
Now he ignores me
Edit: I say ignore but it's more like he runs from me cause I call out his hypocrite ass
I'm not feeling like a grunt, I'm feeling like a tax payer.
10:11 lack of consistency is what really kills the game for me. Weapons, enemy AI and spawn mechanics, basic game mechanics, etc., constantly shifting makes it so you can't stick with it as a casual player.
That was the plan...
Chapter 4: How do we slowly cooked the Golden Goose
Their philisophy is to make a boring af milsim with sci fi elements. I do not work 12 hour shifts on the ambulance to come home to another job.
Fr feels like a chore especially on bug front. You had to always bring EAT/commando or youll have too many chargers not killed and special bug structures undestroyed.
Atleast on bots its easier
He talked about believability and gives a hobbit vs a troll example. With his own logic, my drop pod should 1 shot a titan if it lands on it.
"To allow for creativity, you need to have mechanics that are complex. They need to be consistent and players need to have the freedom to do what they want within that system."
>Constantly restricts what players can do
>Introduces new bugs every patch
>Forces metas by nerfing everything
"He's mad that bro can hit shots" 😂 I think this is their entire dev philosophy
Hes betrayed us
I heard that in the arbiters voice
and lying about it.
He was never on our side.
The prophets have lied to us...
“Tartarus… the prophets have betrayed us.”
14:25 yet Rocket Devastators are sniping you, prone, half behind cover, from hundreds of meters
People liked it when they were able to kill stuff with friends while laughing.
Now it's more like a job than a hobby.
you can kill a Charger through armor with a flamethrower - _"kill stuff with friends while laughing."_
you can't kill a Charger through armor with a flamethrower - _"Now it's more like a job than a hobby."_
@@Mr_Bo6racting like it's JUST the flamethrower nerf that set people off is disingenuous lol
Its the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people.
@@consumerofbepsi5254 It wasn't a nerf, it was a bug fix, thanks to which the flamethrower ignored armor and killed Charger in the leg for ~3sec. The only thing that frustrates me is that fixes like this take so long that everyone starts to think it's normal and not a bug.
Funny thing is I agree with him, which is why he is wrong. The Mithril stopping the pointy end would do little to disperse the incredible force that would shatter ribs and crush organs of a tiny hobbit.
On the flip side, no one would send 4 elite troops down against enemies which they had no weaponry to dispatch. If we know you are fighting multiple behemoth chargers, we will give you weapons designed to take them out.
An enormous bomb that doesn't hurt things a few meters away? that's not super realistic.
A giant expensive space laser with only 3 uses that does 0 damage to titans/tanks wouldn't be invented.
An ordinance barrage designed to not hit specific targets would never exist.
a super high cost mech that has no ammo, or armor? how is that realistic? Why would that be created?
Mines that trigger themselves so they can't explode enemies
Or tank mines that are designed to trigger off small target
A primary weapon designed to not have enough ammo or DPS to deal with the enemies you are facing.
None of these things make sense in the fantasy of a tiny group facing vastly superior numbers and size.
All of that bs and he still can't clean a level 5. Learn to play your own game, Pile, and then you can tell me about your own vision. What a joke.
Seriously they need to take about a week off to play the game everyday then see how they feel about "balance". Their spreadsheets aren't telling the real story
The community is not far from that skill level lol.
@@redfish6549and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The customer who bought a game for entertainment is not required to even be good at it.
@@redfish6549 is that so? i see plenty around 7, and even if the majority are on 5, those up at 9 and 10 get affected like crazy hard in ways that just propogate the devs much hated meta
@@Xehlwan Thats the point when ppl are saying that devs suck this and that. The community is around that level lol.
As a bots-only solo player, it has reached a point where the only way to avoid the things that annoy me in this game is by not playing. Joel is still on holidays for sure because we have been getting shafted in terms of planet variety for weeks.
The ragdolling is a deliberate 'fuck every single one you' from the developers. They added impalers, rocket scout striders, and barrager tanks all at once. This game has become RNG versus stims, run speed, and stun grenades, because the only way to survive the chaos is by pre-stimming for your eventual knockdown where active self-defense is impossible. There is no such thing as standing your ground, because it will be blown the fuck out from underneath you by a barrager, or a rocket scout strider will walk up to you nigh invincible because his three bros just sucked your autocannon dry. I liked playing bots because unlike bugs it was not running simulator, constant kiting. You got to shoot your weapon and precision was rewarded.
I die so often from impact or getting blasted into the open because shockwaves completely ignore physics and transmit through cover. The core gameplay has become so annoying and luck-based that the fun of shooting the weapons and overcoming legitimate challenges is nearly imperceptible.
Also there are three times as many hulks as before EoF, and factory striders are at almost every objective and heavy outpost. Before it was 50-50 whether there was a single static factory strider per map, usually at the extraction point. Just saying, because nobody else seems to be. We used to be sensitive to this kind of thing (like when the patrols changed), but this is so much more than that ever was it is like nobody has even bothered to mention it.
I would like this last change, but the massive threat of the ragdoll enemies has overpowered the core mechanic of beating bots, which is tactical positioning (rapid targeted patrols did this too, but to a lesser extent). There is no more cover, and there is certainly no more courage, because running is the new meta.
a lone player in a cooperative game, what could possibly go wrong?
@@Mr_Bo6r A lot of players have played solo since release. There have always been ways to win in spite of the odds, and the current META (run and stim) was always one of them. That tactic is now head and shoulders above the rest, because of how often the player is put in a defenseless state while trying to fight back, and it is not fun gameplay. It is boring when it works, and an extremely tilting waste of time when it fails. AH was what went wrong.
As a game developer and avid modder, I can understand his perspective even if I think his persistence is misplaced.
As a dev, it can empathize with how frustrating it can be when a game you design ends up being played in a manner you did not intend: You've spent hours dedicated to a project with a clear vision in mind, but somehow, due circumstances outside of your control, the audience has completely sideline your vision.
There comes a point in the development and release cycle where you have to either swallow your pride and cater to the audience your game attracted, or risk destroying the community you gathered on a vain attempt to force people to play "as intended."
Arrowhead seems to be doing is retroactively changing their game to better align with what they initially envisioned the game to be. But at the cost of the community it built.
It's like ordering a pepperoni pizza, but with each slice you eat, the cook comes out and puts a new topping on your pizza. With each slice, your pizza becomes less and less of what you desired, to the point that after the third slice, it's unrecognizable and you refuse to eat anymore.
The audience you gathered wanted what you delivered; the pepperoni pizza. Now, you are adding a ton of new toppings that the community didn't want or ask for, and it's spoiling the experience for a majority of players.
Sure, you're gonna have some folks who will stick around to finish the pizza, but that number is FAR smaller than the people who were willing to eat just pepperoni.
At the same time, when gamers start to experiment and play a game in ways that the developers never though off, it's a good thing, which means the audience is engaged. An engaged audience is exactly the point of a media art form existence; that is the whole point of art; to engage an idea in the audience.
Was this broadcast recently?
If so - this is 100% the final nail in the coffin.
"Believability is important"
I still am appalled that my Orbital Gatling, while more of a gun and not really that big on explosions, couldn't kill a single Bile Spewer because "It has armor" when being shot at by cannons from space.
12:20 *Objection!* Phoenix Wright stle:
Starship Troopers book (Robert A Heinlien) The MI had power armour that allowed them to "on the bounce" jump over multiple story buildings and every trooper was expected to cover 10 km grids / 7 Mile grids approx.
In the movies they didn't have the budget for Power Armour 😂 and that's why the movie is basic padding and nothing else. 😂
Yup, I keep saying we haven't gotten a proper Starship Trooper movie or game yet, just stuff based off of the Paul Verhoven movie.
@@hawk9mmand it is such a good book.
Stares at the animated version of the movie
when he started talking about the believabilty of fantasy movies like lotr and game of thrones, all of this started to make more sense.... he's compelled to be unable to suspend disbelief in specific situations, which is why helldivers "realism" is so inconsistent, and why I'm now feeling very pessimistic about AH ever actually changing how they balance the game and how they think players should play (and want to play)
I mean objectively, you're not catching me anything but commando and HMG with a supply pack, I've not been swayed to use anything else in for my stratagem list because I'm encourage to play at the highest dif if I want to contribute to the campaign. By doing so I have to play like a pussy and run from every patrol and hit n run objectives.
Being stealthy by choice is fun. Being forced to do so because that’s the only way to survive and finish the mission is lame.
@@jdbb3gotskills I'd say it's almost never by choice since the game just spawns enemy patrols that wander into you and you're on a time limit to slow and careful doesn't work.
@@jdbb3gotskills Stealthy? Even for that you get punished by patrol spawns that act as if they have a wolf's sense of smell and they're downwind from you. If you managed to dodge one, the game just spawns another and makes the original turn around to have another go at you. The only effective playstyle is to run from every fight. Soon enough they'll implement some mechanic to stop you from disengaging. Like a gunship squad or 3 titans spawning in front of you if the game determines you are moving away from enemies trying to engage with you at a too rapid rate, already aggroed.
Ive been using that same loadout for some time now, finish most my missions with zero deaths but man do they need more ammo in the HMG.
@@jdbb3gotskills You CAN absolutely win higher diff WITHOUT running away but apparently thats too sweaty now and everyone want to just chill?? on 9-10, the HARDEST DIFFICULTY in the game.
I hate this idea that Stormtroopers can't aim. In proper Star Wars lore they are absolute demons on the battlefield.
They sold 12 million copies of a game they only want 0.0001% of their customers to play. Can't wait for Space Marine 2. Hope AH chokes on their hubris.
I can't wait for Space Marines 2 to come out so all the whiners can go there.
Wait so this guy emphasizes 'Fantasy First' and then goes on to tell us things that happened in fantasy settings of OTHER media that he doesnt agree with and thinks they are unbelievable? What the fuck was he thinking with this script where he wrote himself into hypocrisy.
This is a power fantasy game. Its not realistic. We know it and thats why we love it. Open the fucking throttle! Even if we die, thats why we play...to get more reasons to go absolutely fucking insane. Stop making some stupid tactical shit that NOBODY signed up for. Yeah sure there is some level of coordination needed, and attributes to the experience, but god damnit let us just drop in and go fucking wild and love this shit with OP stuff that lets us enjoy this game again.
With each passing day I increasingly feel like we won’t get this until a new, better game along those lines that we want comes through. Have you played Earth Defense Force or Starship Troopers? Just wondering if they’re better? I’ve also heard HD1 is 20x better than HD2.
Got it. Do I want to be a shitty stormtrooper or a goddamn space marine. Choice is almost too easy.
I can't wait for Space Marine 2 to come out so all the 40k fans can go there and not ruin the game with their nonsense.
@@Mr_Bo6r yeah because the 40k fans are what's wrong with this game...
Sadly they're fine with the blind sheep already still playing the game. Which is enough to keep it going.
Just waiting for Space Marines 2
Like I said, the primary reason they even put in a anti-cheat into HD2 was never to catch hackers. It was specifically to stop modders unbork what the dev team did.
Magika 1&2 survived as long as it did even with all the borking AH laid on the game was due in part to the mod groups.
From time to time I would glace at the studio's logo in the middle of the screen and think to my self "how fitting"...
People who argue that this is not a power fantasy and that all divers are expendable grunts don't take into account that a gun is (realistically) just as deadly in the hands of a hero as it is when wielded by the lowliest grunt.
This made the game at launch so good, because shooting felt fair. We died fast, but we also killed fast, and that felt both fair *and* realistic.
Now... when it feels like the enemies have machine guns and we have nerfguns, that "grunt" fantasy is gone, and the knee jerk reaction is to turn from the "grunt" fantasy to the "underdog" one.
...Except the ones in our sights aren't bugs or bots, but *our* perceived "oppressors", the devs.
One thing to mention is he brings up Starship Troopers and the grunt fantasy. In the first film a man rides a giant armoured bug and kills it with a standard assault rifle, and later on fires a mini nuke out of a rocket launcher and destroys an even bigger bug that's flinging spores into space. Even in the grunt fantasy movie the characters had better weapons. Also I do feel bad bc these guys aren't bad people whatsoever and developers that are willing to do what they did with the warbonds not expiring, and having cheap armour and prioritising treating consumers right over profits is really commendable. They may be one of very few that are willing to stand up to the trend nowadays when it's much easier to give in to the greed because everyone else is doing it.
I mean why shouldn't they? Gamers finally get a studio that actually gives a shit about consumer practises and this is how they repay them just because you want a power fantasy where it isn't meant to be a power fantasy? They should get rid of super credits altogether and make everyone pay top dollar and make the war bonds last a week before expiring people are just ungrateful whiny little bastards
Look on the bright side. Instead of loving and watching a franchise live and die over a couple decades, you can see it happen in a year! We speeedrunning this shit.
They are sure making it easy to not even care.
"the game is good for people who have never played it before"
Thats not exactly the best sentiment to have about a live service game. But i agree nonetheless.
After hearing this guy talk im convinced arrowhead made a good game completely on accident
Yup... This is your typical boomer who knows shit about what the new gen loves and talks shit all the time and lies all the time.
They've lied since the beginning, they lied about mechanics so they could launch and hope to "fix" them later but they don't know how their engine works. They should have a law suit, for false advertising and holding their game hostage
If I set out to make running shoes and I got them to market and became a millionaire because they were extremely popular with mountain hikers instead would I keep trying to remake, change or balance my shoes to make them better for runners? Or just lean into the hikers and be happy I'm extremely rich and have a massive customer base?
These guys are killing a Golden goose with stupidity
Sad to join this late to Helldivers 2 where the Balance team turns out to hate fun
F bro... you missed when it was truly fun...
@@Tamachii12 I agree it was just unforgettable, i can see in my dreams how i and my friends were shooting with flamethrower through charger leg armor and it was so much fun, but now i can't do it, we all stopped having fun and abandoned the game.
Now we wait for Space Marine 2 to burn through armor with flamethrower.
So basically they created a great game, with wide appeal that conquered the hearts of millions, by mistake. Then they said we don't want that we wanted a niche game that only a couple thousands world wide would find enjoyable.
OhDough Don't let the reddit dwellers put you down. Keep putting up good quality content. You're the only good quality Helldivers 2 content creator for being honest, real and not pretentious/clickbait. These devs need to know that they have to step the fuck up.
the game going from power fantasy to half the difficulty of GTFO is probably the biggest flashbang for a lot of the community
Yea, GTFO seems the be the game they wanted to make, I've never felt more like a disposable resource than when playing a mind wiped meat robot with a computer in his brain that tells him what to do or die. I should boot it up.