That's exactly what I thought. Independence day scenario. Such an obvious yet welcome enterance. Nope. Fallout varmint rifle. There is so much we have been excitedly waiting for. Mechs launching orbitals while driven, Jeeps, seaf soldiers, we finally get the most jank version of melee tied to the single worst firearm in the game. I feel like I keep getting slapped in the face for having basic expectations, that any other developer would have considered and quickly implemented in the same circumstances. Helldivers should be looking at halo 3 like a damn bible.
Honestly would be interesting if it was heavy armor pen like the senator, but rn it’s literally just a meme gun. Edit: it also need a stripper clip for reloads like the senator
I’m enjoying it on the bots on 10, but yeah heavy pen and a stripper clip would make it feel so good. Wouldn’t have to swap to the senator for hulks and rocket striders
It felt fun to use in the first game, though objectively worse than practically every other weapon. The "Justice" rifle for example...much larger mag, quicker reloading, similar damage, full auto, and penetrated through enemies...
i don't understand why people keep using "well it was a meme weapon in HD1 too" when there the gun was actually semi viable and had a whopping 300 dmg on shot there (with 80 fire rate and stronger melee on top too)
the Camper rifle from HD1 also did a whopping 300 damage when upgraded. The combination of chainfire-reload, melee-tech and having piercing bullets by default instead of needing them as an upgrade was what made the constitution semi-viable in HD1 as long as you killed enemy scouts with your accuracy before they called for reinforcements. The other HD1 weapons also had bayonets as an upgrade option so that makes the Constitution in HD1 not that special even if it had the best melee. Melee-assisted bayonet movement tech might be difficult to translate over to HD2. With all that above in mind i hope you do understand that these 2 points are true at the same time: - being semi-viable in HD1 if you played to all 3 strengths of it. - a meme compared to other weapons in HD1. I do still want the reload to be adjusted so it can chainfire-reload like the pump shotguns and the HD1 Constitution.
And even if it was a meme weapon in HD1, why couldnt it be better?!? Should everything be based on HD1? Like if a weapon was bad in HD1, should it automatically be also bad?
@@theronnett i only said that the Camper sniper-category rifle had bullet upgrades. Not the Constitution sniper-category rifle. yes the HD1 constitution only had a bayonet upgrade. the AR-20L Justice assault-category rifle also had a bayonet upgrade among other upgrades.
@@theronnett if a gun has piercing bullets by default then it just has the piercing bullets **without** needing anything more than the bayonet upgrade. Meanwhile the justice rifle needs a piercing upgrade to get the piercing bullets since it's default bullets are non-piercing.
"you can't be disappointed if your expectations are already on the floor" couldn't agree more. I mean the weapon looks like it'll be fun to have a larp session or two, pretending we're soldiers from the union transported hundreds of years into the future, so there's that at least, that's one positive.
Bro I saw a video where a guy said that the bayonet is really OP, and then he used 4 stun grenades and stabbed a chargers leg like 30 times and he was completely serious, wtf is with these players
The lengths people go to to cope is insane. "Guys the Senator is too OP, you can kill hulks with it." 'uses a stun grenade and half the mag to kill 1 hulk.' Yeah my guy, pretty busted. Now do that exact same thing 6 more times in the next 15 seconds because the bot drops on D10 drop 6-8 hulks sometimes.
@@hawk9mm Nah it's 110 damage compared to the normal melee attack dealing like 40. With Peak Physique it can one shot hunters to the body and pop warrior heads in one hit. Decently useful, especially since hunters leap one at a time now, and the bayonet makes your melee reach longer than hunters and warriors. But without that armor perk it is pretty mediocre vs bugs, and it's not a tank buster It also allows for reliable stealth melee takedowns of troopers on the bot front even without Peak Physique, and in a pinch can even kill a tank via repeated stabbing in the heatsink (or the back vents but thats much more risky, since you can't just stand on top of the tank).
So the rifle has less armor pen and less damage than the senator and reloads every round individually? So it's basically the senator on hd2 launch which everyone wanted to be buffed with a faster reload and more damage.
That's what I don't understand about the take of it being a meme weapon and a ceremonial gun. Where does it say in Helldivers 2 that it's a meme weapon, or that it's ineffective? It says it's ineffective in HD1, but that was the r2016 Constitution and the one in HD2 is the 2124 Constitution. Plenty of ceremonial weapons in real life are still very very good. It wasn't a meme in HD1, and honestly the stats aren't too bad in HD2, it just needs to do more damage per bullet than the DCS. Give it between 275-300 damage and bump up it's durable damage a little bit and then I think it would be perfectly fine
it *WAS* a meme in HD1, it was the worst weapon in the game and everyone knew it. Was it effective? yeah it was, you could use the gun and do fine with it even on D15. Doesn't change the fact it was the worst weapon in that game and people ran it at high difficulty as a joke.
@Deadsnake989 that is a huge difference. Even the worst weapon in HD1 was decent. I wouldnt care if the constitution was bad if about half the guns in the game werent also bad. The loadouts on difficulty 7 and up are uniform because of a lack of options.
Real 1903’s has stripper clips for faster reload as well. Also, 30-06 has a significantly larger amount of kinetic energy than the modern 308 cartridge which replaced it. That 1903 should do at least 400 damage and ap4. Also enable a scoped version and give it the 3 post scope.
If you actually looked at the *publicly available tables of cartridges and looked at the muzzle energy for both 150 grain cartridges of .308 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield* , you would have noticed that the difference between both of them is only around 400 newtons on average. Ballistically speaking, this is arguing whether 5.56 NATO or 5.45 Russian is the more powerful when at the end of the day, they just both hit their target. At most, a stripper clip animation would be appreciated (it doesn’t even need to be faster than single load IMO), but I think a better front iron sight in first person is what it really needs.
Then you have people on the other side that say every single weapon in the game sucks while they’re intentionally trying to fight as many enemies as humanly possible on the games hardest difficulty as if that’s supposed to be the regular casual way to play the game
I just don't get the reasoning. It having heavy pen would not make it some broken weapon,. It would still be a meme weapon, but only slightly stronger than a sidearm
clearly you havent gone to the future and see the customizations for the Constitution. on that note, it is cool to see the bayonet (as underwhelming as it is) maybe there'll be a a customization to add rifle grenades to it or something.
ok but back in Helldivers 1, when the game did have gun customizations, the bayonet is literally the only upgrade you can get. We already got the max upgrade version of the gun, just also happens to do less damage than before
@@nagatodan They are thinking, that's a key part. We don't have upgrade system now so we can't say this gun will be good if they add customization system sometime in the future you don't even know if the modding system will be implemented (I hope they will add it tho)
i think it's meant to appeal to people who like challenge runs AND bragging rights. There's a whole genre of videos that go "Can we beat Elden ring without parrying or dodging?". Some people find those activities fun.
its a melee weapon, guys chill its a freaking 300 year old weapon, we it doesn't need to be crazy, it is a ceremonial weapon, would you rather not have it in your inventory?? like you are literally not losing anything having this weapon. And its not like this is the only update they have been cooking up, we literally have the coolest war bond yet coming out Thursday
@@Flameshot_ you’re losing value time in life playing this game that hasn’t offered anything but shitty gameplay and doing the same thing over and over. A month ago all the weapons were trash and they managed to get themselves down to less than 10k concurrent players. They are working on getting that back now it seems.
@@bebopsynthguy6629 okay then screw off and get of this TH-cam video about helldivers, I enjoy the game, I came back after the buffs, I like the game now, the game never dropped under 10k players, how about you stop wasting your freaking life going into comments sections and replying to people who are clearly enjoying the game and life more than you, thanks for self projecting bro, hope you hop back on your meds soon
Constitution is definitely a meme weapon, but I think they could do two things to make it more fun: Stripper clips to reload when mag empty (same as buff to the senator) Heavy Armor Pen Would still not be great but would make it actually a lot more fun purely for hulk killing.
@@quintonlim4275 These weapon stats were in the game files when the gun was datamined for like 5 months. back then the DCS only had like 125 damage. i get the feeling they just didn't think about looking its stats over before releasing it. To keep it in line with the previous DCS buff's I feel like we'll probably see the thing hit 300 or more damage in a patch or 2. Possibly also have stripper clips. AP 4 maybe, but that one might be a stretch, although I'd like if they did.
With current stats Constitution can't be a meme weapon, It is almost good. Like painfully close to being good against medium targets. If it was a meme gun it would have really shitty stats like 50 damage or it would take 3 years to reload.
@@Deadsnake989 You're right and this exactly what I was thinking. The weapon has pre-buff patch stats, so it was a meme tier weapon like all the others guns before the update. More damage, AP4 and empty clip reload would make it useful while still having the downside of slow fire rate.
If this had 250 damage with EVERYTHING else staying the same it would still be pretty bad however now several break points are met 1-2 shots earlier... if this came out pre balance overhauls the community would be on fire with slapping the devs for this utter garbo weapon.... yet post those 2 major updates I guess it's fine now to add data bloat on my SSD again.... cool. NO ONE being serious is expecting this to be some "must use" gun, I for one saw the leaks and was assuming it would get a buff pre release as the stats were quite poor.... nope. Side note to anyone claiming it's an "old gun" so fuckin what does the killing potential suddenly get worse of a fairly high caliber rifle??? no, if anything it would be better due to technology improving ammo to have better ballistic properties... either way 250 damage minimum preferably 300 and it'll STILL be a meme gun yet not total asscheeks for the sake of ass cheeks. (can even lower the ammo by 20 idc just make it from troll tier meme gun to something at least worth running time to time.
IMO giving it 300 damage with heavy pen would make it a pretty decent gun. Not op but decent. Basically a slightly better Senator since Senator is semi auto.
300 damage 150 durable damage AP4 Would give you: two HeadShotss for hulks Two Bodyshots for devastators one headshot for bile spewer two headshots for alpha commander
The game is only 20-30 gigs, in a world where every triple A game is like 150 with 70gb updates. “Data bloat” should be the least of your concern when it comes to this game, unless you’re really scraping for every megabyte for whatever reason
the weapon needs a damage buff i dont care that is ceremonial and stuff, we can say its ass lore wise but there is no excuse that the gun is this bad in the actual game i just wanted a boltaction rifle (no the eruptor does not count i want a bullet gun) and seeing this gun just makes me sad also this add yet another thing to the pile of stuff that need changes (gas supportweapon and rover, slugger, mechs, fire and gas armor passives,etc)
Arrowhead has a track record of releasing terrible primary after terrible primary. Its literally a fact. Look at the purifier at release, The flame weapons (technically it was because of the fire rework, still fall under the category), the arc blitzer, tenderizer, the carbine (literally could've give the normal liberator a fucking higher RPM toggle), adjudicator, breaker spray and spray, and just so much more. Now remember what I said before y'all come at me saying these weapons are buffed now, because I said releases, not current state. Sure, Purifier is op af now, but its release was still terrible. The reason this matters so much is because this basically gives arrowhead no right to give us a "JOKE MEME HAHA" weapon whatsoever when they've already been constantly giving us joke primaries for the longest of time. And for them to it again ON PURPOSE is even worse because they haven't earned that trust from us. This would've been completely fine, and actually cool if arrowhead's track record and trust with its players wasn't so broken. Every player's first thought when a weapon is announced is "Wonder how bad it's going to be". I can't really think of any other game that has conditioned its players to constantly fear how bad their new weapons are going to be :/.
I said it on another channel, they should have an etching in the stock of the gun of your max kill count on a life with it. That way it's a challenge you can flex on with screenshots with your 300+ kill etching.
I think it just needs Heavy AP. It still won't be great, but it would make it more fun to use like the Senator. I also agree with Dough's friend about the difficulty toggles, like most "Survivors" games have (spawn more enemies, more heavies, less ammo, take more damage etc). And I can guarantee you that when Arrowhead comes out with harder modes, not one of these "Challenge mode gun" people will use it on those levels of difficulty. I also don't agree with the sentiment that games SHOULD have bad weapons for challenge reasons. I think every weapon in a game should be viable in some way. Like most guns should fall in to the "good" category, like most weapons are now. Then, have a few that are niche but are really good at doing what they do. There shouldn't be weapons that are just all around not useful or are outclassed in everyway by other weapons, making them obsolete. Like for this game, they could have some weapons that are really good against Bugs, but less so on Bots (like fire weapons) and vice-versa. This could be better accomplished with elemental damage types but that's getting in to the weeds.
If it can’t 3-shot hulks and bile titans and completely clear out an entire bug breach in a single magazine on the hardest difficulty in the game then you’ll see a lot of people say the weapon is completely trash and is never worth using ever
They simply never updated the stats of this gun to reflect the marksman rifle buffs. It had superior damage to the Diligence CS until the recent patches, as it clearly should. But people treat any call to improve anything about this game as a personal slight against them and the devs for some reason
@@LaserTractorgod knows but it tracks for Arrowhead its not even the first time they have made this exact mistake (tenderiser also balanced based on pre-buff liberator stats @ release)
I got downvoted pretty much in every single post/reply i made about it. There is no reasoning with glazediver smoothbrains. They start to talk nonsense like "not everything needs to be good" or "skill issue" garbaggio.. some guy went off on a tangent of wild mental gymnastic saying that "people" (not him, clearly) give it for granted that they're good at shooters so when something is bad it's clearly that something and not them. It was wild. I said that the fact you can run d10 with it is irrelevant, cause you can run d10 without ever using, or barely using, your primary if you want to. The constitution is ass. Can you run all content in the game while having it in your loadout? Yes. Is it useful? No. If they gave it pen4 and 200-250 dmg, maybe even trading off some rate of fire for it, it would be not only fun to use but also at least more effective. But of course if you say something like that you'll incur in the "nOooOo iT cAnT bE gOoD bCuZ oLd CeRiMoNiAL RiFLe rEpLiCa iTs FinE aS iS" argument from wackjob thinking balance and fun have anything to do with realism lore based nonsense. Edit: btw the constitution in the first game is not useless. The whole meme is that it's an old relic but still hits like a truck.
I suggested it needed 2-3x damage. My two friends still playing the game "disagreed" just two minutes after agreeing with me that it's a "joke gun" We agreed that it feels better on a 3 or a 4. Basically, they *WANT* guns to be bad as a "joke"
"You dont get it dough, it's supposed to be bad, it's a ceremonial weapon!" Then why isnt the armor also bad? It's literally a relic from the first war... "It's only a meme weapon!" Oh sure, exactly like the throwing knifes, where nobody uses them and they sit in the armory collection dust... I'll guaranty you that nobody will use it in a week or two after the "hype" is gone. The weapon doesn't need to be meta, but it can clearly be way bett spot or a specific niche (like giving it an armor pen of 4) without breaking anything. Like even the description, literally just change the text to "a modified version of the ceremonial weapon" and buff it. Or better, give us another version that is combat ready so the people that want to play with this "meme" weapon can do so and we'll be using the better version. These people defending this weapon that intensely are so whack. EDIT: Also, from what we see with the leaks, before it was release, the stats are exactly the same... So it does feel like they forgot to update it to the same level as the 60 days patches. They forgot to give it the QoL update they did like on the senator with a faster reload when it's fully empty. I really want the dev to confirm whether or not it's supposed to be this mediocre or not.
Needs heavy pen, punchthrough, and better melee hitbox and I'll find it a hilarious challenge weapon. Also let it allow melee during a dive. Jumping off a cliff to pierce a devastator would be _amazing._
Everyone here is Stockholm syndromed into thinking by just adding stripper clips and heavy pen, that this weapon would be viable. It needs all of that AND LIKE 500 DAMAGE PER SHOT. If you only have 5 shots and it’s bolt action, this thing will almost always be woefully underpowered.
It's a joke weapon, literally. Just by reading the description, it's given as a birthday gift to 16 year olds to promote military service. in Helldivers 1, the explicit decription for Constitusion says "It is fairly ineffective in combat". It's a ceremonial gun, but you know what? It can one shot headshot devastators, therefore, viable automaton clapper.
Yeah there's a lot of weird opinions hoping it'd be good whereas this is clearly a challenge/joke weapon. That's like the point. I would prefer the bayonet having a tad bit more stagger so I can melee alpha commanders better, but even then--who cares. It's a meme weapon.
@@theopenmindedtruthseeker9747 It's for liberty day as a joke weapon. They used their resources (the correct spelling) on a joke. I would prefer they had more to reveal for Liberty Day, but I'm not mad that this bolt action rifle isn't very good.
@@LaserTractor exactly. We can have a “meme” weapon and still have it be good and fun to use. In fact I think it actually is pretty fun having the bayonet is super cool something I’ve wanted since the beginning but it definitely is not good. There is no downside to buffing it
The things setting it apart from how good but still challenging HD1 iteration of the Constitution is: 1. Melee range, hit reg, and bonus damage is half as good. Fix the first 2 and give just abit more melee damage but give extra stagger that way you can hound single medium units and melee units like before. Was great for all but tankiest medium units and anything heavy or above and had to be used carefully against groups or the tables will flip. Not buffing the damage too much would leave room for the Peak physique passive to get a buff to 66% or full double damage bonus for peak WW1 bayonet charge potential for those who dedicate to it. 2. The reload speed is slower (understandably) due to the inclusion of racking the bolt before adding rounds now. Add Strip clips, double down on what the Senator set standard wise for not shotgun round loading: partial reload in safety or commit till a full reload in danger. The first game didnt have this but it also didnt have a second delay additive to the round loading time per round thus strip clips would split the difference in a different way. 3. Lack of proper collateral hit properties to shots from high powered/armor pen shots. I remember memeing on HD1 patrols and non-heavy armor/shielded hordes with the Constitution and Liberator Battle Rifle Variant (that also had a bayonet) by lining them up around choke points and connecting the packed “dots”. It doesnt need to go thru an entire army along each shot path but being able spread some damage to 2-4 enemies behind the first hit would be a major QoL to variety and skill ceiling raising like it was in HD1.
I'm just confused about why the age of the weapon is relivent to the weak damage. The M1 grand is old, but it's caliber of bullet(.30-06) would still put a hole in something. These are not even the relics themselves, just modern version which should make it better. For the meme argument, throwing knifes are in the game... haven't them ever. The senator became loved because it fit the big iron fantasy, but became reliable. I just don't get the joke with the constitution. Gun bad = fun? Then what was the complaining about Escalation of freedom?
It's okay to have a meme weapon in the game, and 200+yo ceremonial rifle fits perfectly. The fact that 80% of guns are a joke at this point of time is a whole other thing and it's obviously should be fixed. But again, I would like to have a heavy pen rifle like this, like a bolt action and no scope AMR. Or just give AP4 to Eruptor and fix the swap glitch so it feels like a huge cannon in your hands
@@OhDough I agree, but you can say that it's just a bad timing. If we had all other weapons more or less sorted out, which I hope (or cope) we will have in the future, getting a free meme gun would be fun
@@Ars_Illyrian No, sorry but most of the "buffs" are still not that significant enough to warrant bringing them past 4-6, the ARs/SMGs are still in a bad place, they NEED medium pen, even the higher base damage Tenderizer is bad at killing trash mobs because of the pathetic mag size and at times it's durable damage then combine the fact that it's light pen. Far too many enemies require medium pen for there to be as many weapons in this game with light pen, the devs know this but they still think it's a great idea. Are they better than they were? Yes absolutely but they are not GOOD or great, the game still needs a lot of work buffing weapons so that they feel useful and don't require that we dump a single mag into a single enemy every single time.
@@Ars_Illyrian all ARs are still extremely underpowered. Basically every light pen weapon feels worse than med pen because high diffs have lots of med armor enemies. Just compare the speed at which you can dispatch the alpha commanders patrol with the crossbow and purifier (or even jar5) to the liberator. You probably will need 3 full clips compared to like 8 purifier shots
Damage stats are terrible, melee animation looks jank and awful, reload speed is atrocious, time to kill is terrible, follow up shots take too long. This gun is such a pile of crap. I can’t believe they wasted all these recourses making a gun that’s a “joke” just so everyone can forget it in a few days.
Heavy Pen, 200 dmg, and stripper clip reloads would make this rifle honestly perfect for a challenge run. All the glizzy gladiators of HD1 say it was meant to be bad, yet it appears the Constitution was powerful in comparison to DCS BEFORE DCS got buffed. Does anyone else feel a bit cheated that we don't have a viable bolt-action rifle (Eruptor doesn't count)?
Give it heavy pen, and make it reload with a stripper clip instead of single round feeding. If you add those changes, the Constitution becomes a great weapon from a fun standpoint in my opinion. It's not here to outperform our other offerings from my perspective, but if they want to buff it a lot to make it more viable I wouldn't complain. I just never liked the gun for performance anyway.
I don't think it needs Heavy pen but stripper mag is good tho, it was meant to be a single bolt, if they do put it in heavy pen then some marksman or most primary will render useless even now they mostly nerfed armored enemies, i think it is meant to be a bolt action rifle rather than Marksman rifle, i can easily headshot most bots with it, the constitution seems also have huge ammo count with 5 bullets, but ngl Constitution is sure addicting to use and fun maybe due how it reloads and the sound of it and looks cool when you reload due it looks like Kar98, most helldivers cosplay as kreigsmarine for it, everyone has their own fun.
Needs larger clip, empty clip speed loader, and increased damage. Scope option would be cool unless they want to give us another a better bolt action rifle.
In my defense, I got the gun, me and my duo had some fun messing around with it, and then we both said it should have a stripper clip like the Springfield M1903 and get 20 more damage for a flat 200.
Meh, having a gag weapon is fine. I don't defend everything Arrowhead does. I'm really glad the community pushed back against all the nerfs, for example. But just having a single crappy meme weapon isn't a bad thing. Have a sense of humor, I say.
Would you rather have a gag weapon that you never use again, or have a gun that’s decent and fun to use and can be effective throughout the games lifespan?
I definitely was excited to see if they did something cool with it because i just heard we were getting a new weapon, but yeah its certainly not the cinema i was waiting for
And I've really lost steam on a lot of the lorediving it feels so unrealistic when a .44 pistol cartridge does more armor pen than a 5.56 or 7.62 period, even the deagle that isn't a deagle?
I fucking love the constitution. I wouldn’t mind if it had heavy pen, but I don’t particularly care. Even if it’s probably the weakest gun in the game it feels really fun to use and that’s the most important thing to me.
to be fair, it's given to everyone, even the people who don't have any progression in the starting warbond, so it's honestly good in lower difficulties. Though, it's the same reason why stock liberator, pistol, grenade aren't going to be seeing the light of day. Also to have democracy protects that early? (without paid super citizen edition) Literal starter kit for newbies. I can see why people are upset, it's not really a big impact on the gameplay, but at least it's something, especially of the moo deng accord.
Stock Liberator, pistol and grenade are way better than it though. Only thing it's got is medium pen. But then you can already take the MG at level 1 for medium enemies. So it's pointless. The time to kill on a hive guard or bile spewer is so bad there's no reason to use it.
tbh, my expectation about this gun is like SKS-ish counterpart of Liberator, which it's surpass my expectation by a lot. I won't wish much but increase melee range, able to walk while melee, or able to charge, just at least one of these buff will make this gun even more fun and even more meme to use.
Fun should come first and foremost. Just cause Constitution is a Meme weapon doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be just as effective as other weapons post 60 Day update. It’s got unique things going for it like Scope, round reload and the bayonet, but it needs something extra. I agree adding Heavy armor pen would open up its options like Senator, and it wouldn’t be overpowered. Just more viable.
they should keep this one, but also give us one thats good. cause its fun to use it, roleplay as a normal citzen, but id also like one that i can use regularly.
You hit some major points I have been thinking for a while. Modifiers for missions for the challenge hunters, 200 dmg and hvy pen for Const I feel would be even. Speed loader, and I'd rock it way more. I love the bolt action, I saw someone mention then dropping a modern Const Mk2 and I think that'd be cool then they could leave it be, but who knows at this point
@@OhDough i mean that sounds a bit extremist. I'm just saying in the study, Fairlife Core Power had a significant amount of higher microplastic content then other products.
Kinda reminds me of the NLB from Destiny 1, but you were at least still able to make decent kills with some modicum of skill. This gun is *almost* that but it's just bad b/c it does such low damage. Amp it up to 250-350 dmg and give it heavy armor pen - then it could still be a meme gun that can put in the work.
We all knew,,, or at least guessed it would be a meme weapon. But that being said it would be a hell of a lot more fun it it actually was at least usable. Kinda like an k98 from any old ww2 shooter. Slow, clunky, big boom, enemy goes down.
Yeah, these mfers are crazy to say that it's okay to release garbage weapon because it's garbage in lore. I mean you can find it efficient at difficulty 6-7, which with a doubt, is what majority of arrowhead defenders are playing. It reminds me of previous dark era where like 90% of weapons were practically unusable and you had to avoid combat to finish the mission.
7 stabs charger leg to kill. 4 stabs impaler leg after the armour is blown off to kill. you'll get friendly fire exploded trying to do either. 10x longer than blowing it up with an RR or 500kg. you need stims and stun nades galore to make meleeing work but building around either of those removes your ability to kill things with melee fast so you're stuck with peak physique and being greedy with supplies. You can faceroll bug breaches with your team but you run risk of stabbing eachother and helldivers die so fucking fast nowadays that this is mostly a one shot kill to your friends. If you're using shield packs and you get hit on the side of it you'll be throwing eachother around like someone threw a bunch of hamsters in wheels onto a football pitch, or just stabbed straight through them because that's a thing. Blowing off armour segments then finishing with the stabs is fine but you get blown up when you charge in to finish with the stabs. Cos it has no stagger you need to trade blows with things that aren't stunned and you just can't .EVerything has more HP, armour, damage than you so you just lose every time. If they wanna add in serious melee to this game, armour needs to change. Light needs to give attack speed, critical chance, or more damage, and heavy armour needs to offer brief s to eliminate spike damage in melee, or its absolutely pointless to use as it prevents you from outrunning and controlling the pace of combat. The weapons also need to offer more stagger. They could promote build diversity around this if stims offered stagger immunity in its duration.
It was used in the past galactic war which contained even more enemies. Why wouldn’t it and shouldn’t it be viable in today’s war vs a lesser foe?….. some of y’all can’t think correctly.
Constitution in HD1: one shots medium enemies, nice gun sound, EZ bayonet kills. Constitution in HD2: it's shit, just shit. unfortunately this is not the same gun used in first galactic war. Stop defending it's meant to be bad cuz it's a ceremonial rifle.
im convinced now that arrowhead is testing the community to see what they can get away with. Also that theyre trying to find a way to gaslight us all into accepting this because they seem to love trash weapons being in their game.
First you agree to every free gift they give you to be trash and cheer it Next? Oh well, warbonds not warbonding? Probably we need to applaud them more! And also be grateful with what we have!! Next? Game crashes are FINE! Stop yapping! Crybabies!
@@sunnychiu3872 99 reserve ammo with more melee damage is nice in a pinch to me, I like to run in so a sniper isn't my thing, if I want to sit back I would bring the eruptor
I fully cleared multiple operations yesterday on 10 using it paired with senator on the bots. It’s just as viable as any of the ap3 primaries if you can aim. It’s terrible for bugs though which is the only thing dough and his followers play so of course they don’t see the point of this weapon.
Well, I am totally agree on backlash part. Game was off the rails SINCE railgun first huge nerf. Players were mad and tons of them have left the game (you can even correspond dates with steamcharts player count). Glazers started glazing and only when devs took their beloved no-brainer flamethrower - they started being real angry. Should've listened earlier. Same is with this nonsense.
Honestly I like the Constitution Rifle. I ran it with my buddies on a level 4 mission just to dick around and have fun. The way I see it is a silly gun that I put zero time into unlocking and required no currency to get. If it was a war bond gun I would be mad but as it is I think its neat. If you think its lame I totally get that but other than a stripper clip I think the gun is pretty much perfect. Also, tbh I think at least half the guns are viable at diff 10 at this point. I don't personally like to use every one of them but I've won with just about all of them now. I get that the Glaze divers lead us to ruin for a while but I think we might be getting a little hyper critical here with the "no guns are good" mantra when the main problems in the game are no longer the primaries and instead how many 1 shot mechanics with no telegraphing exist (mainly the rocket strider)
all it needed to do was clone the senator bullet stats or have a handful of OG eruptor rounds as an alternate-fire/secondary-ammo-pool and it would be praised from on-high. Hell, giving it a spear/stiletto-length bayonet would have also put it into a unique place. instead, one again, AH DELIBERATELY picked the path of pissing off the already tetchy community and pre-nerfed the bolt-action gun that should be firing full-power rifle cartridge rounds. There's a reason WW1/2 rifle weapons were ranged for 1200 yards and by the end of WW2 it was more like 400. Cartridges were less than half the size by the end of the war and double the mass deals a LOT more than double the damage when it's also going faster than most AR/SMG bullets.
"Good stuff" you mean all of the mediocre weapons? All of the ARs are still not in a good place, same with the 3 SMGs despite the buffs all of those got they all can not deal with even medium armor which is the majority of threats in the game past Diff 4.
@@OhDough I mean, the senator isn't a revolver created during the 1800's, it's a modernized revolver that can use ammunition that can combat the threats of space. A ceremony rifle doesn't get that kind of treatment, because they're never meant to see combat. Now, why would someone want to play with a weapon that isn't meant for modern combat by literal hundreds of years? Because it's dumb, really dumb. Like so profoundly dumb it's funny, and there's a certain kind of pleasure some people get by doing something that is really dumb and winning anyways. Personally I don't mind there being a meta competitive version of the gun, but I'd prefer it be a separate weapon. Call it the Amendment and give it some lore about the constitution's popularity with citizens motivating weapons manufacturer's to make a modern day version of it, because I still want the current version in the game. That was I can keep stuff that is dumb, but other people can get an actual weapon
Nice logic. But why isnt the armor also bad? It's literally a 100 years old relic from the first war... Like you are seriously gonna tell me it couldnt it be just an upgraded replica/inspired weapon instead?
@@somedaysful That's still faulty logic. The Senator is still a revolver and is functionally the same as the one Sam Colt made in 1831, just with modern bits on it. You say this: "why would someone want to play with a weapon that isn't meant for modern combat" when the exact same could be said about the Senator because militaries IRL don't use revolvers anymore. And yet players find the Senator fun to use. Why can't the Constitution *also* be fun to use? Why is it such a big deal to let a non-meta challenge/meme gun feel good to use? Like, it's just ridiculous that a gun based on a design from the 1800s gets a pass, but the gun based on a design from the 1900s doesn't.
@@StephaneLevs oh, that's easy. It's operating off the same logic as the Hero of the Federation armor (has the same passive), which is also meant to have been a ceremonial armor. It's not that the armor is actually good, but the simple act of donning the armor fills the user with so much democratic adrenaline that they're able to continue fighting despite taking mortal damage, probably. The Democracy Protects passive definitely requires the most suspension of disbelief out of all the passives
Eh I say increase the firerate slightly and give a stripper clip reload cuz why would a ceremonial rifle that isn't really used in combat have heavy armour pen?
I don't mind getting a meme/challenge weapon. I just feel like it's probably not released in the best circumstances. People are content starved, while it's ( very ) good that a bunch of old weapon and all got much better, everything new keep being released in an underwhelming state, with the recent example of the dog breath and Sterilizer. Many of us just want to have good reason to play with new shiny toys, and Arrowhead just does not give us that, and that just get frustrating. The problem is more that it's not part of a (much ) bigger package. Zven the armor is a missed opportunity to give something "new", why did it have to be medium armor when it was the opportunity to introduce that armor bonus to a light or heavy armor ?
That discord chiller mentality weapon design had having a ulcera and irrevocable brain damage. Would recomand the challenge weapon for the TRUE helldivers experience intended by the dev team also liberator is the best weapon in the game according to the wiki -sarc
I believe its not just a "meme" weapon but actually a challenge weapon for all the buff haters. Kind of a "Im so good i can play super helldive with the worst weapon" like wes from DST, 20-25% worse than the next comparable alternative.
I feel like the only reason the player count got to a hundred thousand because people thought the squids were gonna drop on liberty day lol
Worth it.
That's exactly what I thought. Independence day scenario. Such an obvious yet welcome enterance.
Nope. Fallout varmint rifle.
There is so much we have been excitedly waiting for. Mechs launching orbitals while driven, Jeeps, seaf soldiers, we finally get the most jank version of melee tied to the single worst firearm in the game.
I feel like I keep getting slapped in the face for having basic expectations, that any other developer would have considered and quickly implemented in the same circumstances. Helldivers should be looking at halo 3 like a damn bible.
Honestly would be interesting if it was heavy armor pen like the senator, but rn it’s literally just a meme gun. Edit: it also need a stripper clip for reloads like the senator
I’m enjoying it on the bots on 10, but yeah heavy pen and a stripper clip would make it feel so good. Wouldn’t have to swap to the senator for hulks and rocket striders
They could give it heavy armor penetration and it would still be bad 😂
Might as well give it a use tho.
This gun was actually fun in the first game. It felt like you were actually using a powerful rifle. Antique but hit like a cannon.
It wasn't strong but it did feel good to use in the first game
You could use a powerful movement tech called "melee dodge" in the first game too, especially with guns with bayonets attached.
Imo the Constitution rifle can't use a clip to reload criminals, even if they did buff it I don't think I will use it the second time tho
It felt fun to use in the first game, though objectively worse than practically every other weapon. The "Justice" rifle for example...much larger mag, quicker reloading, similar damage, full auto, and penetrated through enemies...
I just want a new bolt action rifle, I love them so much… please make a new one for the next bond
All these people talking about "give it armor penetration 4" or "give it 300 damage per shot" and im like "pls let us bayonet charge"
fr im over here awkwardly running to enemies while they are shooting at me i just wanna chargeee
Oh god yes please
yeah, it will be better for everyone in every way, niche, meme, somewhat useful, and still challenge
Or brace to make yourself invincible against Shriekers
Best melee weapon in the game.
Aww yea. Rock on with the heavy armor with peak physique and the shield generator backpack.
@@Sombriage I mean hey it do be somethin.
Its wild we got this gun for liberty day.
I Wonder how ppl will feel about it a month from now.
They do gotta fix the hit box on it though.
Agreed the hitbox is wack, so many misses on what should be direct hits lol.
Range kinda worst than normal melee. I had to crotch to kill scavengers a few time😊
i don't understand why people keep using "well it was a meme weapon in HD1 too" when there the gun was actually semi viable and had a whopping 300 dmg on shot there (with 80 fire rate and stronger melee on top too)
the Camper rifle from HD1 also did a whopping 300 damage when upgraded. The combination of chainfire-reload, melee-tech and having piercing bullets by default instead of needing them as an upgrade was what made the constitution semi-viable in HD1 as long as you killed enemy scouts with your accuracy before they called for reinforcements.
The other HD1 weapons also had bayonets as an upgrade option so that makes the Constitution in HD1 not that special even if it had the best melee.
Melee-assisted bayonet movement tech might be difficult to translate over to HD2.
With all that above in mind i hope you do understand that these 2 points are true at the same time:
- being semi-viable in HD1 if you played to all 3 strengths of it.
- a meme compared to other weapons in HD1.
I do still want the reload to be adjusted so it can chainfire-reload like the pump shotguns and the HD1 Constitution.
And even if it was a meme weapon in HD1, why couldnt it be better?!?
Should everything be based on HD1?
Like if a weapon was bad in HD1, should it automatically be also bad?
@johannhawk8471 it's only upgrade in HD1 was getting the bayonet attachment. It only had the one upgrade.
@@theronnett i only said that the Camper sniper-category rifle had bullet upgrades. Not the Constitution sniper-category rifle.
yes the HD1 constitution only had a bayonet upgrade. the AR-20L Justice assault-category rifle also had a bayonet upgrade among other upgrades.
@@theronnett
if a gun has piercing bullets by default then it just has the piercing bullets **without** needing anything more than the bayonet upgrade.
Meanwhile the justice rifle needs a piercing upgrade to get the piercing bullets since it's default bullets are non-piercing.
"you can't be disappointed if your expectations are already on the floor" couldn't agree more.
I mean the weapon looks like it'll be fun to have a larp session or two, pretending we're soldiers from the union transported hundreds of years into the future, so there's that at least, that's one positive.
Bro I saw a video where a guy said that the bayonet is really OP, and then he used 4 stun grenades and stabbed a chargers leg like 30 times and he was completely serious, wtf is with these players
Yeah I don't know what these guys are talking about with the melee damage, it seems the same as a basic melee strike.
The lengths people go to to cope is insane. "Guys the Senator is too OP, you can kill hulks with it." 'uses a stun grenade and half the mag to kill 1 hulk.' Yeah my guy, pretty busted. Now do that exact same thing 6 more times in the next 15 seconds because the bot drops on D10 drop 6-8 hulks sometimes.
@@hawk9mmno no, it is way stronger than regular melee strike but it clearly isnt supposed to be used against chargers lol.
@@hawk9mm Nah it's 110 damage compared to the normal melee attack dealing like 40. With Peak Physique it can one shot hunters to the body and pop warrior heads in one hit. Decently useful, especially since hunters leap one at a time now, and the bayonet makes your melee reach longer than hunters and warriors. But without that armor perk it is pretty mediocre vs bugs, and it's not a tank buster
It also allows for reliable stealth melee takedowns of troopers on the bot front even without Peak Physique, and in a pinch can even kill a tank via repeated stabbing in the heatsink (or the back vents but thats much more risky, since you can't just stand on top of the tank).
Bayonet is pretty useful, on the very few situations where a melee can save you.
which is 1-3 enemies each mission.
So the rifle has less armor pen and less damage than the senator and reloads every round individually? So it's basically the senator on hd2 launch which everyone wanted to be buffed with a faster reload and more damage.
Hope it gets the same treatment. You can keep the damage the same but give us a stripper clip and maybe Heavy pen?
That's what I don't understand about the take of it being a meme weapon and a ceremonial gun. Where does it say in Helldivers 2 that it's a meme weapon, or that it's ineffective?
It says it's ineffective in HD1, but that was the r2016 Constitution and the one in HD2 is the 2124 Constitution.
Plenty of ceremonial weapons in real life are still very very good.
It wasn't a meme in HD1, and honestly the stats aren't too bad in HD2, it just needs to do more damage per bullet than the DCS. Give it between 275-300 damage and bump up it's durable damage a little bit and then I think it would be perfectly fine
it *WAS* a meme in HD1, it was the worst weapon in the game and everyone knew it. Was it effective? yeah it was, you could use the gun and do fine with it even on D15. Doesn't change the fact it was the worst weapon in that game and people ran it at high difficulty as a joke.
@Deadsnake989 that is a huge difference. Even the worst weapon in HD1 was decent.
I wouldnt care if the constitution was bad if about half the guns in the game werent also bad. The loadouts on difficulty 7 and up are uniform because of a lack of options.
Playercount was high because people thought there would be a big content drop on Liberty day like there was for the first game
Real 1903’s has stripper clips for faster reload as well. Also, 30-06 has a significantly larger amount of kinetic energy than the modern 308 cartridge which replaced it.
That 1903 should do at least 400 damage and ap4. Also enable a scoped version and give it the 3 post scope.
This is already in the game, its called the Anti Material Rifle, lmao.
If you actually looked at the *publicly available tables of cartridges and looked at the muzzle energy for both 150 grain cartridges of .308 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield* , you would have noticed that the difference between both of them is only around 400 newtons on average.
Ballistically speaking, this is arguing whether 5.56 NATO or 5.45 Russian is the more powerful when at the end of the day, they just both hit their target.
At most, a stripper clip animation would be appreciated (it doesn’t even need to be faster than single load IMO), but I think a better front iron sight in first person is what it really needs.
@@Akrillothisn't AMR a support weapon and this a primary? 😉
400 damage is way to much with AP4. 250 with 100 durable and AP4 would be spot on for this weapon.
Realism doesn't matter because the HMG and the AMR use the same ammo but one does more damage than the other.
People will say "it's for challenge runs" and then proceed to kill nothing and run away just like every other gun that's viable
Then you have people on the other side that say every single weapon in the game sucks while they’re intentionally trying to fight as many enemies as humanly possible on the games hardest difficulty as if that’s supposed to be the regular casual way to play the game
I just don't get the reasoning. It having heavy pen would not make it some broken weapon,. It would still be a meme weapon, but only slightly stronger than a sidearm
clearly you havent gone to the future and see the customizations for the Constitution.
on that note, it is cool to see the bayonet (as underwhelming as it is) maybe there'll be a a customization to add rifle grenades to it or something.
You do know that customization can not be implemented at all or not in near future at least ?
@@polskipolak9073they didn't say they can't, they also were thinking about putting upgrades in the game
ok but back in Helldivers 1, when the game did have gun customizations, the bayonet is literally the only upgrade you can get. We already got the max upgrade version of the gun, just also happens to do less damage than before
@@nagatodan They are thinking, that's a key part. We don't have upgrade system now so we can't say this gun will be good if they add customization system sometime in the future you don't even know if the modding system will be implemented (I hope they will add it tho)
Liberty day itself was pretty underwhelming.
I mean there was no way they release another mega patch and update given how their team works.
I don't like the idea of adding a purposefully bad weapon to the game. Let it have drawbacks but give it SOMETHING to make it fun at least.
i think it's meant to appeal to people who like challenge runs AND bragging rights. There's a whole genre of videos that go "Can we beat Elden ring without parrying or dodging?". Some people find those activities fun.
@@johannhawk8471would help if this game was half as good as Elden Ring
its a melee weapon, guys chill its a freaking 300 year old weapon, we it doesn't need to be crazy, it is a ceremonial weapon, would you rather not have it in your inventory?? like you are literally not losing anything having this weapon. And its not like this is the only update they have been cooking up, we literally have the coolest war bond yet coming out Thursday
@@Flameshot_ you’re losing value time in life playing this game that hasn’t offered anything but shitty gameplay and doing the same thing over and over. A month ago all the weapons were trash and they managed to get themselves down to less than 10k concurrent players. They are working on getting that back now it seems.
@@bebopsynthguy6629 okay then screw off and get of this TH-cam video about helldivers, I enjoy the game, I came back after the buffs, I like the game now, the game never dropped under 10k players, how about you stop wasting your freaking life going into comments sections and replying to people who are clearly enjoying the game and life more than you, thanks for self projecting bro, hope you hop back on your meds soon
Constitution is definitely a meme weapon, but I think they could do two things to make it more fun:
Stripper clips to reload when mag empty (same as buff to the senator)
Heavy Armor Pen
Would still not be great but would make it actually a lot more fun purely for hulk killing.
Should at least match the damage of the Senator too. So far the Senator does more damage has a higher mag size.
@@quintonlim4275 These weapon stats were in the game files when the gun was datamined for like 5 months. back then the DCS only had like 125 damage. i get the feeling they just didn't think about looking its stats over before releasing it. To keep it in line with the previous DCS buff's I feel like we'll probably see the thing hit 300 or more damage in a patch or 2. Possibly also have stripper clips. AP 4 maybe, but that one might be a stretch, although I'd like if they did.
With current stats Constitution can't be a meme weapon, It is almost good. Like painfully close to being good against medium targets. If it was a meme gun it would have really shitty stats like 50 damage or it would take 3 years to reload.
@@Deadsnake989 You're right and this exactly what I was thinking.
The weapon has pre-buff patch stats, so it was a meme tier weapon like all the others guns before the update.
More damage, AP4 and empty clip reload would make it useful while still having the downside of slow fire rate.
If this had 250 damage with EVERYTHING else staying the same it would still be pretty bad however now several break points are met 1-2 shots earlier... if this came out pre balance overhauls the community would be on fire with slapping the devs for this utter garbo weapon.... yet post those 2 major updates I guess it's fine now to add data bloat on my SSD again.... cool. NO ONE being serious is expecting this to be some "must use" gun, I for one saw the leaks and was assuming it would get a buff pre release as the stats were quite poor.... nope.
Side note to anyone claiming it's an "old gun" so fuckin what does the killing potential suddenly get worse of a fairly high caliber rifle??? no, if anything it would be better due to technology improving ammo to have better ballistic properties... either way 250 damage minimum preferably 300 and it'll STILL be a meme gun yet not total asscheeks for the sake of ass cheeks. (can even lower the ammo by 20 idc just make it from troll tier meme gun to something at least worth running time to time.
IMO giving it 300 damage with heavy pen would make it a pretty decent gun. Not op but decent. Basically a slightly better Senator since Senator is semi auto.
300 damage
150 durable damage
AP4
Would give you:
two HeadShotss for hulks
Two Bodyshots for devastators
one headshot for bile spewer
two headshots for alpha commander
The game is only 20-30 gigs, in a world where every triple A game is like 150 with 70gb updates. “Data bloat” should be the least of your concern when it comes to this game, unless you’re really scraping for every megabyte for whatever reason
the weapon needs a damage buff
i dont care that is ceremonial and stuff, we can say its ass lore wise but there is no excuse that the gun is this bad in the actual game
i just wanted a boltaction rifle (no the eruptor does not count i want a bullet gun) and seeing this gun just makes me sad
also this add yet another thing to the pile of stuff that need changes (gas supportweapon and rover, slugger, mechs, fire and gas armor passives,etc)
Arrowhead has a track record of releasing terrible primary after terrible primary. Its literally a fact. Look at the purifier at release, The flame weapons (technically it was because of the fire rework, still fall under the category), the arc blitzer, tenderizer, the carbine (literally could've give the normal liberator a fucking higher RPM toggle), adjudicator, breaker spray and spray, and just so much more. Now remember what I said before y'all come at me saying these weapons are buffed now, because I said releases, not current state. Sure, Purifier is op af now, but its release was still terrible.
The reason this matters so much is because this basically gives arrowhead no right to give us a "JOKE MEME HAHA" weapon whatsoever when they've already been constantly giving us joke primaries for the longest of time. And for them to it again ON PURPOSE is even worse because they haven't earned that trust from us.
This would've been completely fine, and actually cool if arrowhead's track record and trust with its players wasn't so broken. Every player's first thought when a weapon is announced is "Wonder how bad it's going to be". I can't really think of any other game that has conditioned its players to constantly fear how bad their new weapons are going to be :/.
I agree.
I said it on another channel, they should have an etching in the stock of the gun of your max kill count on a life with it. That way it's a challenge you can flex on with screenshots with your 300+ kill etching.
Cool idea
That's a neat idea but that's an absurd amount of coding and art work to make happen, and hyper prone to spaghetti coding.
I think it just needs Heavy AP. It still won't be great, but it would make it more fun to use like the Senator. I also agree with Dough's friend about the difficulty toggles, like most "Survivors" games have (spawn more enemies, more heavies, less ammo, take more damage etc). And I can guarantee you that when Arrowhead comes out with harder modes, not one of these "Challenge mode gun" people will use it on those levels of difficulty.
I also don't agree with the sentiment that games SHOULD have bad weapons for challenge reasons. I think every weapon in a game should be viable in some way. Like most guns should fall in to the "good" category, like most weapons are now. Then, have a few that are niche but are really good at doing what they do. There shouldn't be weapons that are just all around not useful or are outclassed in everyway by other weapons, making them obsolete. Like for this game, they could have some weapons that are really good against Bugs, but less so on Bots (like fire weapons) and vice-versa. This could be better accomplished with elemental damage types but that's getting in to the weeds.
If it can’t 3-shot hulks and bile titans and completely clear out an entire bug breach in a single magazine on the hardest difficulty in the game then you’ll see a lot of people say the weapon is completely trash and is never worth using ever
They simply never updated the stats of this gun to reflect the marksman rifle buffs. It had superior damage to the Diligence CS until the recent patches, as it clearly should. But people treat any call to improve anything about this game as a personal slight against them and the devs for some reason
Well then how the hell can you release gun in this state as a dev of a game where guns are 75% of the fun?
@@LaserTractorgod knows but it tracks for Arrowhead its not even the first time they have made this exact mistake (tenderiser also balanced based on pre-buff liberator stats @ release)
Exactly, the constitution simply needs the buff it needs that the devs forgot.
I’m having a blast running my farmer build. Constitution, senator and break-action shotty 😎
The break action should have been given to use as well as a support weapon call in.
No, it’s not fun lol (I like how the gun looks and sounds though 😅)
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I got downvoted pretty much in every single post/reply i made about it. There is no reasoning with glazediver smoothbrains. They start to talk nonsense like "not everything needs to be good" or "skill issue" garbaggio.. some guy went off on a tangent of wild mental gymnastic saying that "people" (not him, clearly) give it for granted that they're good at shooters so when something is bad it's clearly that something and not them. It was wild. I said that the fact you can run d10 with it is irrelevant, cause you can run d10 without ever using, or barely using, your primary if you want to. The constitution is ass. Can you run all content in the game while having it in your loadout? Yes. Is it useful? No.
If they gave it pen4 and 200-250 dmg, maybe even trading off some rate of fire for it, it would be not only fun to use but also at least more effective. But of course if you say something like that you'll incur in the "nOooOo iT cAnT bE gOoD bCuZ oLd CeRiMoNiAL RiFLe rEpLiCa iTs FinE aS iS" argument from wackjob thinking balance and fun have anything to do with realism lore based nonsense.
Edit: btw the constitution in the first game is not useless. The whole meme is that it's an old relic but still hits like a truck.
I suggested it needed 2-3x damage. My two friends still playing the game "disagreed" just two minutes after agreeing with me that it's a "joke gun"
We agreed that it feels better on a 3 or a 4.
Basically, they *WANT* guns to be bad as a "joke"
And it's not that bad to be called a meme gun XD
"You dont get it dough, it's supposed to be bad, it's a ceremonial weapon!"
Then why isnt the armor also bad? It's literally a relic from the first war...
"It's only a meme weapon!"
Oh sure, exactly like the throwing knifes, where nobody uses them and they sit in the armory collection dust...
I'll guaranty you that nobody will use it in a week or two after the "hype" is gone.
The weapon doesn't need to be meta, but it can clearly be way bett spot or a specific niche (like giving it an armor pen of 4) without breaking anything.
Like even the description, literally just change the text to "a modified version of the ceremonial weapon" and buff it.
Or better, give us another version that is combat ready so the people that want to play with this "meme" weapon can do so and we'll be using the better version.
These people defending this weapon that intensely are so whack.
EDIT: Also, from what we see with the leaks, before it was release, the stats are exactly the same...
So it does feel like they forgot to update it to the same level as the 60 days patches.
They forgot to give it the QoL update they did like on the senator with a faster reload when it's fully empty.
I really want the dev to confirm whether or not it's supposed to be this mediocre or not.
Giving us another similar gun with better stats could work. Basically a reskin but with heavy pen, maybe 300 damage and stripper reload.
Needs heavy pen, punchthrough, and better melee hitbox and I'll find it a hilarious challenge weapon. Also let it allow melee during a dive. Jumping off a cliff to pierce a devastator would be _amazing._
Its a gun that shoots so bad, it makes you glad to have a knife strapped to it.
1:25 Helldiver hits a quick dab before being blown up
Everyone here is Stockholm syndromed into thinking by just adding stripper clips and heavy pen, that this weapon would be viable.
It needs all of that AND LIKE 500 DAMAGE PER SHOT. If you only have 5 shots and it’s bolt action, this thing will almost always be woefully underpowered.
It's a joke weapon, literally. Just by reading the description, it's given as a birthday gift to 16 year olds to promote military service. in Helldivers 1, the explicit decription for Constitusion says "It is fairly ineffective in combat". It's a ceremonial gun, but you know what? It can one shot headshot devastators, therefore, viable automaton clapper.
Fairly ineffective as it’s not automatic. It was good in the first game there is no reason it can’t be good in the second game.
Yeah there's a lot of weird opinions hoping it'd be good whereas this is clearly a challenge/joke weapon. That's like the point. I would prefer the bayonet having a tad bit more stagger so I can melee alpha commanders better, but even then--who cares. It's a meme weapon.
@@connertomaterhater6691 it was decent in the first game, but no one really used it
Then why waste valuable time and recourses making a “joke weapon” when those recourses could’ve been to improve the game?
@@theopenmindedtruthseeker9747 It's for liberty day as a joke weapon. They used their resources (the correct spelling) on a joke. I would prefer they had more to reveal for Liberty Day, but I'm not mad that this bolt action rifle isn't very good.
Give it a clip and like 500 damage then MAYBE it would be functional. Or like 350 damage and heavy pen.
Agreed.
“It’s just a meme celebratory weapon” ok so why not give us a party popper. There’s no point in having a weapon that purposely sucks
I mean yeah.
Got the joke with all that "lore", "ceremonial rifle" and all that
But why make it bad?
@@LaserTractor exactly. We can have a “meme” weapon and still have it be good and fun to use. In fact I think it actually is pretty fun having the bayonet is super cool something I’ve wanted since the beginning but it definitely is not good. There is no downside to buffing it
I'd love a party popper.
If the constitution took more creatine it wouldnt be as bad of a gun
The things setting it apart from how good but still challenging HD1 iteration of the Constitution is:
1. Melee range, hit reg, and bonus damage is half as good. Fix the first 2 and give just abit more melee damage but give extra stagger that way you can hound single medium units and melee units like before. Was great for all but tankiest medium units and anything heavy or above and had to be used carefully against groups or the tables will flip. Not buffing the damage too much would leave room for the Peak physique passive to get a buff to 66% or full double damage bonus for peak WW1 bayonet charge potential for those who dedicate to it.
2. The reload speed is slower (understandably) due to the inclusion of racking the bolt before adding rounds now. Add Strip clips, double down on what the Senator set standard wise for not shotgun round loading: partial reload in safety or commit till a full reload in danger. The first game didnt have this but it also didnt have a second delay additive to the round loading time per round thus strip clips would split the difference in a different way.
3. Lack of proper collateral hit properties to shots from high powered/armor pen shots. I remember memeing on HD1 patrols and non-heavy armor/shielded hordes with the Constitution and Liberator Battle Rifle Variant (that also had a bayonet) by lining them up around choke points and connecting the packed “dots”. It doesnt need to go thru an entire army along each shot path but being able spread some damage to 2-4 enemies behind the first hit would be a major QoL to variety and skill ceiling raising like it was in HD1.
I'm just confused about why the age of the weapon is relivent to the weak damage. The M1 grand is old, but it's caliber of bullet(.30-06) would still put a hole in something. These are not even the relics themselves, just modern version which should make it better.
For the meme argument, throwing knifes are in the game... haven't them ever. The senator became loved because it fit the big iron fantasy, but became reliable. I just don't get the joke with the constitution. Gun bad = fun? Then what was the complaining about Escalation of freedom?
It's okay to have a meme weapon in the game, and 200+yo ceremonial rifle fits perfectly. The fact that 80% of guns are a joke at this point of time is a whole other thing and it's obviously should be fixed.
But again, I would like to have a heavy pen rifle like this, like a bolt action and no scope AMR. Or just give AP4 to Eruptor and fix the swap glitch so it feels like a huge cannon in your hands
getting a weapons meant as a "haha bad gun" when the entire armory is basically a joke makes 0 sense.
@@OhDough I agree, but you can say that it's just a bad timing. If we had all other weapons more or less sorted out, which I hope (or cope) we will have in the future, getting a free meme gun would be fun
We got 2 big buff patches in a row and most weapons feel or at least viable at this point. You really can't be serious about most stuff being weak.
@@Ars_Illyrian No, sorry but most of the "buffs" are still not that significant enough to warrant bringing them past 4-6, the ARs/SMGs are still in a bad place, they NEED medium pen, even the higher base damage Tenderizer is bad at killing trash mobs because of the pathetic mag size and at times it's durable damage then combine the fact that it's light pen. Far too many enemies require medium pen for there to be as many weapons in this game with light pen, the devs know this but they still think it's a great idea.
Are they better than they were? Yes absolutely but they are not GOOD or great, the game still needs a lot of work buffing weapons so that they feel useful and don't require that we dump a single mag into a single enemy every single time.
@@Ars_Illyrian all ARs are still extremely underpowered. Basically every light pen weapon feels worse than med pen because high diffs have lots of med armor enemies. Just compare the speed at which you can dispatch the alpha commanders patrol with the crossbow and purifier (or even jar5) to the liberator. You probably will need 3 full clips compared to like 8 purifier shots
Damage stats are terrible, melee animation looks jank and awful, reload speed is atrocious, time to kill is terrible, follow up shots take too long.
This gun is such a pile of crap. I can’t believe they wasted all these recourses making a gun that’s a “joke” just so everyone can forget it in a few days.
Heavy Pen, 200 dmg, and stripper clip reloads would make this rifle honestly perfect for a challenge run. All the glizzy gladiators of HD1 say it was meant to be bad, yet it appears the Constitution was powerful in comparison to DCS BEFORE DCS got buffed.
Does anyone else feel a bit cheated that we don't have a viable bolt-action rifle (Eruptor doesn't count)?
Give it heavy pen, and make it reload with a stripper clip instead of single round feeding. If you add those changes, the Constitution becomes a great weapon from a fun standpoint in my opinion. It's not here to outperform our other offerings from my perspective, but if they want to buff it a lot to make it more viable I wouldn't complain. I just never liked the gun for performance anyway.
I don't think it needs Heavy pen but stripper mag is good tho, it was meant to be a single bolt, if they do put it in heavy pen then some marksman or most primary will render useless even now they mostly nerfed armored enemies, i think it is meant to be a bolt action rifle rather than Marksman rifle, i can easily headshot most bots with it, the constitution seems also have huge ammo count with 5 bullets, but ngl Constitution is sure addicting to use and fun maybe due how it reloads and the sound of it and looks cool when you reload due it looks like Kar98, most helldivers cosplay as kreigsmarine for it, everyone has their own fun.
It should reload like the m1 garand, also more pen
Like I said in another video comment: Give this thing 550-700 dmg, a longer light-saber bayonet and a reflex sight and it's gonna be pretty neat.
they wanted to go for realism but the s&w 500 equivalent beats out a .30-06 rifle in penetration. Also, no bayonet charge? Sad.
Lol guys
The consitution rifle
It's a meme weapon
You can laugh now
(Laughing noises)
Explendid joke pal
Needs larger clip, empty clip speed loader, and increased damage. Scope option would be cool unless they want to give us another a better bolt action rifle.
I feel like they should just quickly just double the dmg and give it heavy pen, no need to do anything fancy, quick & simple stat changes
In my defense, I got the gun, me and my duo had some fun messing around with it, and then we both said it should have a stripper clip like the Springfield M1903 and get 20 more damage for a flat 200.
Meh, having a gag weapon is fine. I don't defend everything Arrowhead does. I'm really glad the community pushed back against all the nerfs, for example. But just having a single crappy meme weapon isn't a bad thing. Have a sense of humor, I say.
Most weapons are gag weapons lmao
Would you rather have a gag weapon that you never use again, or have a gun that’s decent and fun to use and can be effective throughout the games lifespan?
the amount of people who think that something being old or ceremonial makes it magically less powerful is insane.
Up pen, add stripper clip, buff melee
Damage needs to be upped too. Like to 250 minimum. Preferably up to 300.
I definitely was excited to see if they did something cool with it because i just heard we were getting a new weapon, but yeah its certainly not the cinema i was waiting for
And I've really lost steam on a lot of the lorediving it feels so unrealistic when a .44 pistol cartridge does more armor pen than a 5.56 or 7.62 period, even the deagle that isn't a deagle?
Constitution is a melee weapon, the rifle aspect is your backup.
I liked using it for WW1 roleplay. Does need heavy pen, 33% more damage, and clip reloads tho.
I fucking love the constitution. I wouldn’t mind if it had heavy pen, but I don’t particularly care. Even if it’s probably the weakest gun in the game it feels really fun to use and that’s the most important thing to me.
to be fair, it's given to everyone, even the people who don't have any progression in the starting warbond, so it's honestly good in lower difficulties. Though, it's the same reason why stock liberator, pistol, grenade aren't going to be seeing the light of day. Also to have democracy protects that early? (without paid super citizen edition) Literal starter kit for newbies. I can see why people are upset, it's not really a big impact on the gameplay, but at least it's something, especially of the moo deng accord.
Stock Liberator, pistol and grenade are way better than it though. Only thing it's got is medium pen. But then you can already take the MG at level 1 for medium enemies. So it's pointless. The time to kill on a hive guard or bile spewer is so bad there's no reason to use it.
am i the only one that wished it was more like M1Garand then.. i dunno.. 1908 springfield?
tbh, my expectation about this gun is like SKS-ish counterpart of Liberator, which it's surpass my expectation by a lot.
I won't wish much but increase melee range, able to walk while melee, or able to charge, just at least one of these buff will make this gun even more fun and even more meme to use.
Fun should come first and foremost. Just cause Constitution is a Meme weapon doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be just as effective as other weapons post 60 Day update.
It’s got unique things going for it like Scope, round reload and the bayonet, but it needs something extra. I agree adding Heavy armor pen would open up its options like Senator, and it wouldn’t be overpowered. Just more viable.
It's not even good as a melee weapon since it doesn't stun enemies like every other weapon's melee does.
wish it had heavy armor pen and stripper clips when empty, that said its so fun to use.
they should keep this one, but also give us one thats good. cause its fun to use it, roleplay as a normal citzen, but id also like one that i can use regularly.
You hit some major points I have been thinking for a while. Modifiers for missions for the challenge hunters, 200 dmg and hvy pen for Const I feel would be even. Speed loader, and I'd rock it way more. I love the bolt action, I saw someone mention then dropping a modern Const Mk2 and I think that'd be cool then they could leave it be, but who knows at this point
Fairlife protein is only concerning because the report that came out about the microplastics in it.
If you read every report you'll run out of good to eat.
@@OhDough i mean that sounds a bit extremist. I'm just saying in the study, Fairlife Core Power had a significant amount of higher microplastic content then other products.
It adds flavor.
Kinda reminds me of the NLB from Destiny 1, but you were at least still able to make decent kills with some modicum of skill. This gun is *almost* that but it's just bad b/c it does such low damage. Amp it up to 250-350 dmg and give it heavy armor pen - then it could still be a meme gun that can put in the work.
We all knew,,, or at least guessed it would be a meme weapon. But that being said it would be a hell of a lot more fun it it actually was at least usable.
Kinda like an k98 from any old ww2 shooter. Slow, clunky, big boom, enemy goes down.
Yeah, these mfers are crazy to say that it's okay to release garbage weapon because it's garbage in lore. I mean you can find it efficient at difficulty 6-7, which with a doubt, is what majority of arrowhead defenders are playing. It reminds me of previous dark era where like 90% of weapons were practically unusable and you had to avoid combat to finish the mission.
7 stabs charger leg to kill. 4 stabs impaler leg after the armour is blown off to kill.
you'll get friendly fire exploded trying to do either. 10x longer than blowing it up with an RR or 500kg.
you need stims and stun nades galore to make meleeing work but building around either of those removes your ability to kill things with melee fast so you're stuck with peak physique and being greedy with supplies.
You can faceroll bug breaches with your team but you run risk of stabbing eachother and helldivers die so fucking fast nowadays that this is mostly a one shot kill to your friends.
If you're using shield packs and you get hit on the side of it you'll be throwing eachother around like someone threw a bunch of hamsters in wheels onto a football pitch, or just stabbed straight through them because that's a thing.
Blowing off armour segments then finishing with the stabs is fine but you get blown up when you charge in to finish with the stabs.
Cos it has no stagger you need to trade blows with things that aren't stunned and you just can't .EVerything has more HP, armour, damage than you so you just lose every time.
If they wanna add in serious melee to this game, armour needs to change.
Light needs to give attack speed, critical chance, or more damage, and heavy armour needs to offer brief s to eliminate spike damage in melee, or its absolutely pointless to use as it prevents you from outrunning and controlling the pace of combat.
The weapons also need to offer more stagger.
They could promote build diversity around this if stims offered stagger immunity in its duration.
they should have just given us the bayonet and not the gun
The issue is not this gun really. It's all the other guns that are worse.
nah, this gun being bad after 2 months of helldivers 2 trying to make things worth using is kinda silly.
If the gun had a little more damage, itd be good. It feels good but the damage is lacking.
Give it an automatic mode by making the Helldiver do a mad minute
It was used in the past galactic war which contained even more enemies. Why wouldn’t it and shouldn’t it be viable in today’s war vs a lesser foe?….. some of y’all can’t think correctly.
Constitution in HD1: one shots medium enemies, nice gun sound, EZ bayonet kills.
Constitution in HD2: it's shit, just shit.
unfortunately this is not the same gun used in first galactic war. Stop defending it's meant to be bad cuz it's a ceremonial rifle.
when the free gun given to every player (everyone) for free at level 1 (level one) is ass
im convinced now that arrowhead is testing the community to see what they can get away with. Also that theyre trying to find a way to gaslight us all into accepting this because they seem to love trash weapons being in their game.
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HD1 vet: this is fine. just like the 1st game. its a free gift. not a warbond or anything paid.
In the 1st game it was better.
First you agree to every free gift they give you to be trash and cheer it
Next? Oh well, warbonds not warbonding? Probably we need to applaud them more! And also be grateful with what we have!!
Next? Game crashes are FINE! Stop yapping! Crybabies!
@@LaserTractor if its a warbond ill complain. its not. its not effective coz it said so in the description.
@@OhDough still it cant compare to the other weapons.
Idc how bad it is, it’s a rifle from 1903. Ofc I’m gonna rock that shit all day
mfs when the joke weapon is a joke:
When the peanut gallery never goes away
ur mom is a joke haha gottem
Liberty Day: the most lackluster "event" I've ever seen.
Also, If you want a challenge run, just don't use a primary at all. There, easy.
It's decent on solo bots around diff 6. I would use it more if it did a little more damage and had a stripper reload like the senator speed loader
Yeah but then why not just take the Diligence CS? Straight up better in every way.
@@sunnychiu3872 99 reserve ammo with more melee damage is nice in a pinch to me, I like to run in so a sniper isn't my thing, if I want to sit back I would bring the eruptor
I fully cleared multiple operations yesterday on 10 using it paired with senator on the bots. It’s just as viable as any of the ap3 primaries if you can aim. It’s terrible for bugs though which is the only thing dough and his followers play so of course they don’t see the point of this weapon.
Well, I am totally agree on backlash part.
Game was off the rails SINCE railgun first huge nerf. Players were mad and tons of them have left the game (you can even correspond dates with steamcharts player count).
Glazers started glazing and only when devs took their beloved no-brainer flamethrower - they started being real angry.
Should've listened earlier. Same is with this nonsense.
I think the rife gonna get some mod soon, if we finish the DDS.
Honestly I like the Constitution Rifle. I ran it with my buddies on a level 4 mission just to dick around and have fun. The way I see it is a silly gun that I put zero time into unlocking and required no currency to get. If it was a war bond gun I would be mad but as it is I think its neat. If you think its lame I totally get that but other than a stripper clip I think the gun is pretty much perfect. Also, tbh I think at least half the guns are viable at diff 10 at this point. I don't personally like to use every one of them but I've won with just about all of them now.
I get that the Glaze divers lead us to ruin for a while but I think we might be getting a little hyper critical here with the "no guns are good" mantra when the main problems in the game are no longer the primaries and instead how many 1 shot mechanics with no telegraphing exist (mainly the rocket strider)
all it needed to do was clone the senator bullet stats or have a handful of OG eruptor rounds as an alternate-fire/secondary-ammo-pool and it would be praised from on-high. Hell, giving it a spear/stiletto-length bayonet would have also put it into a unique place.
instead, one again, AH DELIBERATELY picked the path of pissing off the already tetchy community and pre-nerfed the bolt-action gun that should be firing full-power rifle cartridge rounds.
There's a reason WW1/2 rifle weapons were ranged for 1200 yards and by the end of WW2 it was more like 400.
Cartridges were less than half the size by the end of the war and double the mass deals a LOT more than double the damage when it's also going faster than most AR/SMG bullets.
The constitution is fine. With all the good stuff we have now, i don't mind having a "challenge" gun that is also canon.
When you don't watch the entire vid 💀
"Good stuff" you mean all of the mediocre weapons? All of the ARs are still not in a good place, same with the 3 SMGs despite the buffs all of those got they all can not deal with even medium armor which is the majority of threats in the game past Diff 4.
There are more challenging guns than this one, try use liberator next time the fact that half of the primaries are still bad.
I feel like 300 damage is a little over kill. I think 240 would be good. Also give it a stripper clip and *maybe* ap4.
The Melee Meme Memorabilia.
And that bolt action cant reload a full clip
100 year old weapon in a modern helldiver war
Revolver...
@@OhDough I mean, the senator isn't a revolver created during the 1800's, it's a modernized revolver that can use ammunition that can combat the threats of space. A ceremony rifle doesn't get that kind of treatment, because they're never meant to see combat.
Now, why would someone want to play with a weapon that isn't meant for modern combat by literal hundreds of years? Because it's dumb, really dumb. Like so profoundly dumb it's funny, and there's a certain kind of pleasure some people get by doing something that is really dumb and winning anyways.
Personally I don't mind there being a meta competitive version of the gun, but I'd prefer it be a separate weapon. Call it the Amendment and give it some lore about the constitution's popularity with citizens motivating weapons manufacturer's to make a modern day version of it, because I still want the current version in the game. That was I can keep stuff that is dumb, but other people can get an actual weapon
Nice logic.
But why isnt the armor also bad? It's literally a 100 years old relic from the first war...
Like you are seriously gonna tell me it couldnt it be just an upgraded replica/inspired weapon instead?
@@somedaysful That's still faulty logic. The Senator is still a revolver and is functionally the same as the one Sam Colt made in 1831, just with modern bits on it. You say this: "why would someone want to play with a weapon that isn't meant for modern combat" when the exact same could be said about the Senator because militaries IRL don't use revolvers anymore. And yet players find the Senator fun to use. Why can't the Constitution *also* be fun to use? Why is it such a big deal to let a non-meta challenge/meme gun feel good to use? Like, it's just ridiculous that a gun based on a design from the 1800s gets a pass, but the gun based on a design from the 1900s doesn't.
@@StephaneLevs oh, that's easy. It's operating off the same logic as the Hero of the Federation armor (has the same passive), which is also meant to have been a ceremonial armor. It's not that the armor is actually good, but the simple act of donning the armor fills the user with so much democratic adrenaline that they're able to continue fighting despite taking mortal damage, probably. The Democracy Protects passive definitely requires the most suspension of disbelief out of all the passives
I would change 2 things about this gun. Give it heavy pen, and make it do 201 dmg
That’s still too low of damage. It’ll take 3 shots to take down a devastators in the chest. It should at max take 2 shots to a devastators chest.
if it had 250dmg and senator reload treatment id be fine and maybe if they ever add that wep modding feature it will be far better off.
Eh I say increase the firerate slightly and give a stripper clip reload cuz why would a ceremonial rifle that isn't really used in combat have heavy armour pen?
because its a videogame, and we have a revolver that can pierce tank armor, and reload faster.
In a couple days from now it will never be touched again. Buff the damage to make it viable
I don't mind getting a meme/challenge weapon. I just feel like it's probably not released in the best circumstances. People are content starved, while it's ( very ) good that a bunch of old weapon and all got much better, everything new keep being released in an underwhelming state, with the recent example of the dog breath and Sterilizer. Many of us just want to have good reason to play with new shiny toys, and Arrowhead just does not give us that, and that just get frustrating.
The problem is more that it's not part of a (much ) bigger package. Zven the armor is a missed opportunity to give something "new", why did it have to be medium armor when it was the opportunity to introduce that armor bonus to a light or heavy armor ?
That discord chiller mentality weapon design had having a ulcera and irrevocable brain damage. Would recomand the challenge weapon for the TRUE helldivers experience intended by the dev team also liberator is the best weapon in the game according to the wiki -sarc
I believe its not just a "meme" weapon but actually a challenge weapon for all the buff haters. Kind of a "Im so good i can play super helldive with the worst weapon" like wes from DST, 20-25% worse than the next comparable alternative.
HD1 vets eatin' good, redditors seething. Great stuff.
Helldivers 1 vets is the gaming equivalent to a mall cop. Ty for your service
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