A lesson on subverting expectations
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“It’s berserkin time!” - berserk guy (i think his name is nuts or something)
It hurt to read your comment.
@@Matityahu-the-God fr berserk is like my 1 number manga 😐
@@Matityahu-the-God oh you innocent person
He didn’t say that.
Guys its a fucking meme
"Everything I said about him no longer applies"
I dunno man, he still seems to be missing an eye
And an arm
Tangina mo HAHAHAHHAHA
Underrated comment
XD
LMAO!! Bro I'm dead!!
🤣🤣💀
"Put your grasses on" - random Japanese guy singing in English
Nothing Will be wong -
Love berserk , when he said “autobots roll out” when defeating thanos shit was nuts
When he said it’s berserken time and all the fish and just dropped, I lost my shit
Uhhhhh, did i got isekai'd to another universe or something
Man, nuts is my favorite manga character of all time
i was dead when he started twerking
*guts
It's also worth noting that the Golden Age arc does 3000% the amount of justification necessary to make an edgelord. He earns it more than many other characters
Any other*
@@K4inan hes still right lol
@@hid3f_ he meant he earns his justification more than ANY character, it’s not a grammatical correction.
Id rather die than live his life
Kirito is gay
even when he was being an Edge Lord, it was a facade. He does care, he just pretends he doesn't. He tries to be as awful and unapproachable as possible so that he doesn't have to worry about making connections with other people that he'll lose, the same way he lost the band of the hawk. You can see this at the end of the Black Swordsman arc when you see his mask slip and he starts crying. He isn't an Edge Lord. He's pretending to be one.
I mean that is kind of how real life "edgelords" work. The truth is most of the assholes and mean spirited people you meet along your way are likely just deeply traumatized and they try to consciously push everyone away or cant control emotion, but sadly in most cases you cannot help them. But this is why berserk is so genius. Every character has a lot of depth and it shows human psychology very well.
@@WolffangPL nah man, I know a countless dicks who are assholes on a molecular level for no apparent reason than being a dick.
It happened before that, back when he said to the people that gave him a ride to stay inside the carriage because his brand is acting up.
But they didn't listen to him lol
Wait, I thought that was the end of the gaurdians of desire? Unless that itself is inside of the black swordsman arc. Sorry, I just started reading berserk lol, so I may not understand how arcs work.
It is true, Lose your friends people that you consider to be a new family been taken away from you many people Really don’t want to go through that pain again
He can be described by one word. "Human". He's more human than you could possibly imagine.
U r speaking the language of Gods
Damn , specifically when he said I don’t care about those monsters
Especially when he can swing a 50 kg sword with ease.
More of a good human
Yeah but he can flip that switch real quick.
This isn't subversion of expectations. This is just good character progression
The subversion is more in guts archetype. Hes the big dark fantasy brute but every aspect of that archetype when applied to guts is backed with meaning and deep character progression.
Hes one of few characters like that who gives in depth purpose for being the way he is and its made all the better by that purpose being realistic and reflecting the process of living trapped in the mental scarring of traumatic experiences.Very serious and very real experiences like sexual assualt, rape, neglect, or death.
I've been watching for 3 hours when does the video end?
It doesn’t, you’re now a struggler too
another perfect loop
It won't.. you will be stuck here until the end of time..
This is the clip that never ends
Keep going, you’re almost there
Thats why I love his theme so much. For a character that seems like he would have DOOM music as a theme, his theme is actually subtle, melancholic, but faintly hopeful.
Yeah but the new anime themes are also fire
@@shumanbeans one of the few good things about 2016-17 Berserk's anime.
@@jakelockley7208 literally like
Original manga: masterpiece
Music: masterpiece
Adaption: shit
Anime: shit
Pacing: wtf
Plot: why you skip tons of stuff
@@Gow-13510 true
@@Gow-13510 the 1997 anime looked pretty good. Only saw a few scenes however
You know this is a really good Manga when every time it’s talked about you get chills
No cap, I love this story. Guts is an amazing protag
Berserk taught me, no matter what keep going strong and never give up. Though the odds are against you. Just keep going and stay positive. Trauma is real and it deserves some attention and nurturing. As a man, it can really make you cry because Guts life reminds me of how cruel and cold this World we live in can be. Damn stay strong guys 💪🏾
The greatest part about him being cruel and careless of others is they show early on that he does care. After all the horrible things he does and says at the start of the manga, it then shows him being sad. Showing he didn’t fully mean what he said.
I still love the scene in one of the first 2 issues where he hesitates to kill the priests daughter despite the fact that she is stabbing him. It really humanizes him.
"It doesn't apply any more"
He has a second eye now?
💀💀
3rd unlocked maybe
@@Iakivel5232 4th perhaps.
No. Now he’s completely blind.
The panel that really sold the character for me was the sad Guts panel at the end of black swordsman. There were hints here and there that he did actually care, but seeing him tearing up was devastating
That’s the point where we realize that he puts on a facade to deal with people.
When i got to berserk, thats the one that sold me too! I was hesitant at first because it seemed like a standard medieval dark fantasy thing right? But then i got to that panel and I instantly knew it would be much more than i expected
Ayoooo same pfp
It eats me alive knowing the anime missed that part, ending the black swordsman arc with him killing the snake apostle guy then it immediately goes to golden age. It showed how much of a badass he was but missed the most important part, he's still a human.
Kratos and Guts are pretty similar in their stories. The two were consumed by rage to get their revenge. Both, over time, because of several events that happened to them, they mature more and more, to the point that their "past versions" are very different of their future selves... Now, both characters are always looking to be better than they once were. The two characters are the most badass characters and their stories, in my opinion, are the best I've seen in the last decade. Surelly, two amazing characters that we have in all fiction. Nice video Bro! 🌃
I was literally having a similar thought about this and yet, you said it better than I lmao
Though one them found his happy ending, while the other... not so much... :'(
thorfinn too slightly
But what happened to guts was alot worse than happening to kratos
Skull Knight is way more badass than Guts.
Guts is a character that grows.
End of explanation. Thats why he is so appealing.
Ngl but i think guts is the closest anyone has ever come close to creating a character whose feeling and emotions are actually humanlike, guts has a good side and a bad as well, he is at some points funny as well but full of hate at others. Its actually like seeing a real life person in the form of pages.
Edit: I am only talking about characters within manga and anime.
Poetic
Yeah I realized that when guts is quiet they use his facial expression’s instead of words
Not even close lol but in anime probably
@@josephfischer7623 whos more humanlike than guts?
This comment is pretty dumb Ngl. Guts is a great character but sitting here calling guts the most human character ever created is some dumb shit. Just call him your favorite character and be done. This comments makes you look like your still 12.
It's not subversion, it's development. The reason the term "subversion" got so popular is because we got used to template of flat characters that don't change or develop in meaningful ways that have been churned out.
If you read Berserks oneshot he's the same edgy guy but you tell he has a good nature by the end. What Miura did was draw upon his influences to deepen Gut's character, something that current writers have problems with implementing in a meaningful way.
Yeah, these other guys saying the edge was "just an act" seem to not really catch that point lol. He totally believed in what he said and did prior to getting more optimistic, but he allowed himself to start caring more.
personally i think the best example of subversion in animanga is gintoki sakata, but that's just my opinion
@@mlg360proscoper3 another good example of subversion in manga is Phosphophyllite from Houseki no Kuni. Starts off as your typical innocent Shonen hero but turns into a broken, self-destructive, lonely, insane psychopath at the end
@@Oueenazolatigressgina "have a pleasant 10000 years" turns out the mangaka wasn't kidding
@@aiofg7545 still the 10000 year hiatus is ending in June 🥲🥲
My favorite quote definitely was "If you suppress your emotions now you'll grow up to be a mess of an adult"
You can't deny that he is the most badass animé character.
Agreed.
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Show?
@@elimo5760 berserk
Thankyou 💪
Guts is easily one of the most “human” characters created.
This is best seen in the chapter where he chooses to protect Casca over attacking Griffith, probably one of the most important moments in the manga.
Didn’t age well within the latest chapters
finally someone talked about this scene. Probably one of if not the best panel in all of the manga. People always talked about the "Guts kill demon so cool and badass!" scenes but I think what makes Berserk truly a masterpiece is scenes like the one you mentioned. Teared an eye reading that panel for the first time. He chooses to not die fighting Griffith and protect the vulnerable Casca instead. Choosing to move on from trauma and start a new life
His edginess is actually way more justified than most characters He got SA'd as a child & He was traumatized so much that he even was afraid of casca touching him & only for him to lose everything a second time to griffith
Absolutely fantastic comparison, Guts is very similar to Kratos, their stories flows the same rhythm and it shows them being a better person.
"its berserker time!"
-Berserk
Is that a meme?
I only ever read Berserk. But I keep seeing this phrase in the TH-cam comments
@@michimatsch5862 yeah is just a stupid meme
@@michimatsch5862 its because the morbius film
"It's Morbin time!"
-Morbius
“It’s JoJing time!”
-JoJo
The same way that Kratos tries to change after being given another son and a chance at life.
"We must be better than this"
In all fairness, the Olympians deserved what they got.
@@thebrownbaldy yeah i know but still takes a lot of character to make yourself be able to raise a son again when you're just a killing machine
No kratos began to change when he meets Pandora.
@@thebrownbaldy The problem wasn't that they deserved it. The problem was the collateral damage Kratos was willing to do to achieve it.
Please do not compare Kraptos to Guts.
He actually showed guts with his grasses on
I won't even lie. His character writing is one of the greatest I have read in literature.
I’m getting tired of hearing characters described as “edgelords.” Guts is not “edgy,” he’s traumatized. His psychosis makes sense. He doesn’t glory in killing because it makes him look cool or better than anyone else. He kills because the ones he’s fighting will kill him given half a chance. His nihilistic attitude at the beginning of the comics is understandable.
And it's always the ones who haven't suffered a day in their lives calling characters like these "edgelords" from their comfort zone even when it is shown how extremely heinous the situation they find themselves in is.
@@ryuhayabusa6397 A-fucking-men. They wouldn’t understand the mental state of anyone who’s gone through similar situations and thus they feel perfectly fine ridiculing characters and other people for their reactions to seriously traumatic events.
Dude. This, so much. I remember being called edgy when I was a kid dealing with trauma. It’s a word that just dismisses what you go through, like kicking someone while they’re down.
@@Repudiate Same here. It’s probably (unfortunately) because some people do exploit their own trauma to try to get special privileges and attention. If someone is acting depressed they need help and support, not to be told that their self-expression is annoying or embarrassing
Same. I have met like actual dumbasses who say "Berserk is too edgy bro, it has so much needless violence and rape so that's why it never had an anime"
And i am like "Did you forget Berserk is supposed to be dark fantasy or did you leave ur brain back at pre-school"
“Guts is one of the first ever edgelords in fiction”
Well that’s about as bold a claim as it gets
Sounds like the person who made this video don’t read a lot of books or watch many movies
The same energy as Solo Leveling being the first Necromancer to rise
@@WhoBlah21 mfers act like Rambo isn’t fifty years old lol
@@WhoBlah21 have you read the black swordsman arc
@@thebronjame624 have you read hamlet?
while reading another goated swordsman manga, i picked up a qoute saying "all truly strong peope are kind"
Unlike any other Anime Character i feel like Guts truly feels like a true Human a real person he has so many sides and little things about him that makes him feel real somehow
"Vengeance won't change the past, my or anyone. I have to become more."
“People need hope. To know someone’s out there for them.”
Mine*
"The city is angry, scarred, like me. Our scars can destroy us, even after the physical wounds have healed."
That’s not subverting expectations? That’s just a character arc.
This what happens when you have people scroll through TVtropes for 1 hour and then act like they suddenly know all this stuff expertly on a video
What I said, or what he said?
@@senzasmentalissues474 Probably what he said.
Edit: Nice to see a fellow Senza enjoyer.
The first episode of the original incarnation definitely paints a certain version of guts, granting you “expectations” of who the character is. The subsequent character arc goes about defeating the original expectation, but only if you assumed incorrectly.
You see it’s impossible to say rather the man is right it wrong since the expectation is subjective to the individual. Some people may have expected a thrilling character arc for example.
The original is from 1997 I believe, and anime heroes were far less known or popular at the time. So I doubt there were many expectations for the character at all, especially not after one episode.
However it is worth noting that his personality, not his backstory but his personality, is way more developed than with someone like Sasuke, who obviously received loads more screen time.
Berserk fans are dumb
Out of all the fictional characters out there he is by far the most amazing to the point that i wont believe hes made by human hands
same. Even I cant believe that this whole manga was made by a human, singlehandedly. Miura was an unrecognised genius.
I think the guy who made him was just trying to do fist of the north star (or something adjacent) and then retroactively made him a more indepth character as he grew as a cartoon comic book sketch writer.
Guts was never an anti hero, he was just putting on a facade to not feel Guilty about the consequences of his Action. He was deliberately trying to make himself a bad person to make the guilt go away only to fail and embrace his past after reuniting with Casca.
Guts is still going through one hell of a heroes journey that we don't even know if it's gonna end 😭
Wait the beserk manga is still going? I thought the author died?
Yea I thought after the authors passing they released one final manga chapter. I thought they ended the manga on that note?
@_oblivion_ damn thats pretty cool
@Garwinium They released a report, that they would drop the final volume in September or November this year
@@dest5218 god if the final volume does come out... will all be in tears 😭
berserk guts theme on the background 😩😩😩😩💖
I just got to volume 27 and I’m experiencing this as we speak!!! Thank you for this
Enjoy bro, u got 14 more great volumes
The thing with Guts is that if you only read the 0's chapter, you'll think he's just a regular edgy character for people who put Kirito and Sasuke on a pedestal.
Then you read the rest of the story and you just end up deeply caring for Guts and feel for all the shit he has to go through
It is a total shame and I was legit hurt when the mangaka sensei creator of the piece of art that berserk is died ...piece on his grave
It was inevitable
Laws of causality my dud, can’t avoid the death
I 100% feel what you’re saying. laid awake for nights after finishing berserk just bc i couldn’t accept his death. i see the beauty/the poetic aspect of his death, but his death was just soooo undeserving and unfortunate. Mr. miura (the author) saved me and many other readers, i just wish he could have seen his story completed. i wish he could have seen an anime/live action adaptation that made him proud and insanely popular. i just wish he was alive.
i hate to complain like a child, but the way he was taken from us was just unfair. i’ll forever remember him and his work.
@@fusiontoa18 yeah but he wasn't even 60 yet, he died too early.
@@antoniosaraiva9263 I know what you mean but is it really so early? That's almost retirement age. Not that that's not still terrible. Just saying - it's not like he was still young. You never know if tomorrow will ever come. If average life expectancy is ~80 for Japanese men (IIRC) then he made it 3/4 of average longevity. That's not nothing! Not all of us will be so fortunate. And with all that crazy traumatic haunting awesome lore in his mind, I'm sure it took a toll on him, or he must've had a dark life to come up with such heartbreaking glory.
Berserk is really about healing from trauma, rather than just pure revenge.
I'm so glad the Manga is continuing as of a few hours ago.
really? its still in 364 here.
@@topansunaryo8209 what about now
@@kintama3453 367
@@topansunaryo8209 where are you reading from? 371 came out
@@eeshaan1426 mangapark. Forgot which version.
Big F to that one individual that made this masterpiece, you've live your great life. You've shown us through this work that even if you're suffering having to handle these problems, you can always surpass all of it as long as you keep on moving forward.
I'll always admire and be inspired by your wonderful work.
And to that one person that is reading this message, i wan't you to know this.
Even if the world throw all hardship to you, there is always someone that can help you (it can be someone or youself)
Look forward, see through the day and always be happy. I know you can.
woah I got goosebumps reading that lmao
I offer you a hug, I’m in need of one nowadays.
You should do a vid on luther strode his like Peter Parker but everything goes wrong
Who
@@fusiontoa18 luther strode he is one of the most underrated non marvel or dc comic book characters
@@ONEPEAKFRFR never heard of it, looks cool. I wonder what the story is about.
@@fusiontoa18 you should definitely check it out you should start on the strange talents of Luther Strode but I gotta warn you it's extremely violent and kinda sad
@@ONEPEAKFRFR
I'll be honest I can't tell if this is an actual character, or you're setting me up for a Deez Nutz joke.
If the former, where's he from?
"Guts can't be explained" this is it. The exact feeling i felt when i read it for the first time a week ago. He is so good written and at the end of the day just a man who fights his destiny. You need to love his story.
what i love about berserk is that, it isn't about being the best, guts isn't trying to become the world's strongest swordsman, nor the strongest at all. he is just surviving through everyday, seeing what comes tomorrow, doing what he can to prevail through all the hell that the universe sends onto him
Miura was such a goat. RIP.
I love how Artorias's pose is directly inspired by by guts cool pose
Artorias is the guts of dark souls with the bad ending
Guts is so edgy that he doesn’t wear his grasses
I cried when the guy from berk said " holy shit I'm going nuts!! that was truly a gigachad sigma moment (he's literally me)
You have no idea how happy I am when I read the Conviction arc and saw how Guts changed.
Guts has the best character development in animanga verse
That's why he is my fav character
I'm here to bring good news for berserk fans that some of you guys probably already know that The Berserk Manga is coming back on June 24, 2022.
It was always an act, and it reveals that pretty early when guys has to kill a possessed little girl.
Rest in peace the greatest Manga and it creator Miura kentaro may you watch all of us dream from the great bonfire of dreams.
Rip Miura. Gave me probably the best story of my life
That guts theme is so good I just cant it just makes me feel things theres no other like it
It really is such an emotional piece of music, especially for Guts.
"He's still traumatized by his past."
I can't blame him. Dude has seen some shit.
The best way to describe Guts is "Human".
Thanks for talking about this masterpiece
Calling him an edge lord is both an insult to Guts as a character, and Miura as a story teller.
“I’m not nuts I’m berserk” -wiseguy
This video perfectly goes full circle I love it
“Unlike other edgelords, he actually changes”
*Shows Sasuke* 💀
Sasuke changed a lot too
Biased guts opinion tbh, most also changed and they want to feel special😂. I love guts but the fanbase can be biased most of the time
Then by the end he's like:
I just wanna sit down and eat a shortcake or something.
I’m truly thankful for what Kentaro Miura did for Berserk and the dark fantasy genre. He inspired an entire generation and the shadow he cast with the indomitable black swordsman was massive. RIP you creative genius.
Guts... my hero 🥺❤ thank you Kentaro Miura 🥺🥺🥺❤
I think the reason why he’s a good edgy character is because that edginess is just a defense mechanism to keep people away from him. It’s not that stereotypical “lone wolf” who just spouts pessimistic nihilism bullshit because they think it’s cool (though I do like parodies of those archetypes like cid kagenou). He’s a person who’s literally cursed with evil every night and to have other people around him puts them at risk too.
I’ve thought about it for a while, “why is Guts such an appealing character to me.” And to me I think it’s because he’s admirable and in a way inspirational. He’s been through so much shit and suffered both mentally and physically and despite that he picked himself up and kept on going. It’s the kind of person I wish I could be, one who keeps fighting the seemingly hopeless life he lives in and eventually find his hope. He’s never been fully consumed with despair and given up, he just suffered through it and eventually he’d pick himself up again and keep going. That kind of fortitude isn’t easy to come by, especially in this day and age. So in a weird way berserk is an optimistic story.
I guess I just like that kind of character archetype in general.
I also like driven character traits, like those who do everything in their power to protect those they care about which is a character trait Guts develops in the series as well.
And we see him completely breakdown when he fails to cut Griffith and the scene of him blaming the dragon slayer for failing him as he was his only friend broke me I didn't expect that at all
this anime really deserves a better anime adaption
This loops so well I almost watched it three times
Guts is the greatest anime character of all time
It's not just about his growth but his backstory is just so brutal you kind of understand. And that's what makes seeing him change in such a bleak world such a cool story. You can't help but root for him
These're exactly the same circumstances that Kratos from gow had to face and even succomb to several times( but at unfathomably higher degree. He later on goes to seek his vengeance and obliterates the greek pantheon and finally stabs himself with the blade of olympus to and releases all the the power of hope that he collected from Pandora's box to humanity).
And in the new gow games Kratos has embraced the path to becoming a better person, opening his heart to the world, and set a example to inspire his son to be the best person he can.
Ngl, apart from the battle scenes and gameplay, the GOW storyline is pure emotions. Not to mention that he's the strongest frictional character in all of history.
I agree and disagree and the same time. The edgy cynical outlook he has on life is merely something he’s made up to protect himself emotionally, it’s a conscious decision he’s made for himself which we can see when his mask breaks by the end of the black swordsman arc. Most edgy characters genuinely believe in their ideals, and have developed a mentality like that through tremendous amounts of betrayal and pain.
Just so you know, Guts is completely boned in terms of combat.
He has no right eye, and his left arm is gone.
He has no dominant handedness.
Yet he still beats demon ass.
Guts is Right arm dominant
Boned?
C L A N G !
One of my favorite parts about Berserk is how far it’s willing to go to create nuanced characters out of the caricatured stock figures every other series would use.
“And that’s why I think:” “Guts….etc.”
I really like how you synced this short up so that it just repeats itself- makes it a bit nicer when these things repeat, lol
I agree with almost everything in this video except Guts is nowhere near one of the first edgelord characters in all of fiction. Lol Also, I wouldn't say this subverts expectation so much as it's masterful character progression.
If he didnt change, he would be just like Griffith. And he understood that
Kentaro muira was on to something when guts dropped.
The theme is heavenly tbh
what is that theme
@@shrutichandrakar8109just type in"Guts theme" it doesn't have a name
I can never read it because I don’t want depression
I like that. Because in real life, people have way too many sides to them. Guts lived a horrible life, a humble life, a life of pain, and has tried to be better. Guts had grown and change throughout the years, gotten more reserved with his emotions. But who knows what could change in the future for this character 🔥
I mean…. I would do anything for revenge if griff did that to me…
Imagine killing your friends for a gay Batman suit
its comfy tho 🥺
@@nyudyo Griffith, how'd that cascussy feel?
@@pineapple8934 pleasing enough, i must confess
When I started to read Berserk and saw the first Chapter I was like👀👀wait a damn minute the Manga is Badass it's worth the read even though I pause it but it's definitely worth the read.
Good choice of words in “trying to change”, because life was easier and simpler for Guts when he was an Edgelord. After a certain point in the story, he attempts the harder path of protection and loses his way a handful of times.
Guts is THE Anime protagonist. The only one that anyone can truly get behind.
When you realize Sasuke did the exact same thing but nearly 40 years later
And what is that?
@dêbjêêt dâs very similar character ark, but Sasuke's was much worse written, and we only see the effects of it in Boruto and Naruto the last
@@ZeroDim makes no sense honestly. maybe you didn't understand Sasuke's character arc at all.
Guts has more personalities then moon knight
Like DAY AND NITE?
The art in this series always blows me away. It's fucking unreal
For me, Guts just want to sleep peacefully…
without any nightmare during his sleep or disturb by monster in his awake…
"Unlike every other edge lord that comes after him guts actually changes"shows saskue who changes a crazy amount
I wouldint really call her a Edgelord, as his behavior is reasonable as hes barely had anything good in life, we understand exaxtly why hes who he is, most actual edgelords are just edgy cause hey, need a dark gloomy revenge driven character
I really like the seen in the climax between Griffith and Guts when Griffith said “it’s you guts, you are the berserk”
"Guts actually changes"
*And to further emphasize this the best part of his theme kicks in, masterfully* 👌👌👌