if Kami/nameless Namekian creating King Piccolo makes him his father, wouldn't that make him Piccolo Jr.'s grandfather? "It sounds funny i know But it really is so I'm my own grandpa"
Picollo is his own father, unckle, grandfather. No wonder he's so good with kids lol. But it low-key makes sense that namekians are good with kids since they are designed to be single parents
In DB Daima, Piccolo said his father was born in 2nd Demon World's Namek, but I believed he referred Katas, the father of the Nameless Namekian, who Kami and King Piccolo used to be before separating. The Nameless Namekian was only a child when he arrived on Earth.
Dbz was just about retcons, Dbz only exists because of retcons, Dragon ball fans don't even seem to watch the series itself. And Daima doesn't even have that much of a retcon, most of the "retcons" are contradicting things said in an interview, that Akira just changed his mind, and that's not a retcon, to be a retcon it has to be a new fact that contradicts/changes a fact previous established within the series, and interview in general is not as reliable because of this
@@pensandoemalgo.5722It's not just interviews, the guidebooks and manga are also being contradicted so it's definitely a retcon. And DBZ isn't about retcons that was just added lore to Goku and expanding the universe that's a different thing entirely.
2:50 Old Kai says he was Kaioshin 15 generations ago. Daizenshuu 7 and Chozenshu 4 both place him being sealed in Z sword at "75 million years ago" 75 million must come from the idea the Kaioshin are around for AT LEAST 5 Million years. Since Shin was alive 5 million years ago when Boo attacked the Kais. 5 million times 15 is 75 million..
@@joxerd I was thinking of the four fathers of Piccolo mentioned in this video plus Grandpa Gohan, Bardock, and Ox King. Those three "fathers" of Goku are either blood related or was a guardian. Some people might consider Master Roshi too, but I consider him more of a teacher.
6:04 It’s stated that Earth’s influence is what caused their split (the beings of earth influenced a “good” and “bad” side). And from established Namekian abilities, no matter how many times they split, they all are of the same person (nameless Namek) so Current Piccolo simply reassembled himself THEN gained a planet Namek heritage from Nail, completing the formation of the real Nameless Namekian
An interesting video, Scholar. My question to you is how does Neva factor into all of this? Piccolo is a unique individual in that he was initially created from division, respawned, and yet was made more through absorption/fusion. Nail and Kami being prime examples. As I said earlier and elsewhere, Namekian physiology fascinates me. The species is able to divide themselves using arcane mystical means, and fuse into one being using similar means.
I love namekians. So many cool abilities and such interesting lore. Most importantly, they're the only beings that can tap into and harness the power of dragons (which are beings who exist beyond all universes and realms), not even the Gods of the universes can do that.
Buu attacking the Grand Supreme Kai & the others also happened millions of years ago. I believe Moro getting sealed also happened millions of years ago as well. Both events occurred after the glinds left the demon world from my understanding.
How I interpret it before watching. -Piccolo jr is a reincarnation of demon king piccolo -DKP father came from the demon realm hence why he goes by the demon monicker to carry on his legacy in some way That’s what I’m thinking at least
I feel like Kami and King shouldn’t count because they all the same guy, it’s like Current piccolo rebuilt himself from the other ones. He gained a new father from Nail and planet Namek, and Katas created a new actual son when he made the nameless Namek
Ah no he has 1, the nameless Namekian split into king Picoolo and kami, Picoolo Jr. Is king Picoolo's son(born from an egg and not by splitting) but he is an incarnation of sorts at the same time and when he fuses back with Kami(he also fused with Nail so theres a new entity in him) he becomes the nameless namekian again.
3:59 - Not necessarily! He could’ve gone to the demon realm and told them there, long before Katas was born. 6:54 - King Piccolo is not a part of the equation. He’s not been wished back & absorbed by Jr, like in Supersonic warriors.
Piccolo Jr is the reincarnation of Demon King Piccolo. So Piccolo Jr literally is Demon King Piccolo. Demon King Piccolo cannot be wished back since his soul is already alive, reincarnated as Piccolo Jr. Imagine they tried to wish Kid Buu back despite Uub existing. As for Elder Kaioshin; he doesn't have that authority in the Demon Realm. Glinds don't rule there. Thus why Nahare/Shin has no authority there.
Well "piccolo" technically speaking yes, however he is also essentially the original and father of all namekians. He just does not recall his true name. (Ps piccolo belongs to all 3 clans of namekian) dragon, warrior, and is a "super namek".
Video is just starting, but I'm going to guess Piccolo's grandfather is also his father. Huh.. He really was 3 different versions of himself over the years. And is now a 4th. How's Nail handling it in there?
I think the name of Dragon ball daima should be called Dragon ball Retcons due to the different origins. Now as far as with this new story dialogue that they're giving Piccolo to me I wouldn't be surprised if Nava is related to Piccolo and then we find out that he is the true original Super Namekian similar to Slug.
Super deserves that title before Daima. The retcon to the potara fusion could have made sense if vegito was actually fighting boohan for almost an hour but it wasn't close to an hour. Gowasu knew of this information that it's not permanent on Non-Kais but the Kai's in universe 7 doesn't know this information and they been living for millions of years.
That part on Katattsu I can understand. Although I always saw him as a grandfather to Piccoro Jr. rather than father. As for Kami I saw him as an uncle to Piccoro Jr., as he and DKP were born from the split of the nameless Namekian which makes them brothers by sense. Although I understand what you said here, I will continue to accept only DKP as the father of Piccoro Jr. for convinience purpose. For anyone confused by my acronym DKP stands for Demon King Piccoro, it's just too freaking long to say every time. Also why Piccoro and not Piccolo? Since Piccoro is the superior Japanese name and not the garbage juice translation.
Kami wasn't born from that split. The Nameless Namekian expelled the evil from within him, then took the name/title of Kami. So Kami literally is the Nameless Namekian. Demon King Piccolo is the personification of the evil that was expelled from Kami/the Nameless Namekian. So yes, Kami gave life to Demon King Piccolo, and can be considered his father in a way.
@@EndoScorpion I know all of that. But the way I see it the moment in which the nameless Namekian, for convience purposes I'll call him Katattsu Jr. When Katattsu Jr. split I interpenetrate it as he lost his persona which was split into two. Which is why I continue to see the two parts as brothers until they reunited.
Dragon ball ended with Z. And maybe even GT. Super is a joke and just rips off previous material. Daima is been written by someone who probably never watched dragon ball. Please let it rest.
Meanwhile Gohan have 3 fathers, Piccolo is Gohan's adopted father. Piccolo adopted Gohan after Goku's death. Goku is Gohan's stepfather. Goku treated Gohan like his stepchild & Gohan are visibly not Goku's child. Yamcha is Gohan's biological father. Yamcha is a Saiyan born without a tail & were cast off to Earth. It happened when Goku asked Yamcha to teach him what to do with his wife, Chichi.
If you think Super is better than Daima, you are objectively wrong. Like, I don't mind if you prefer one or the other for personal taste, but objectively, Daima is a far superior series, and far more important to the ENTIRE Dragon Ball than Super was in almost 10 years, and Daima did all of that in 10 episodes only
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4 four different dads God DAMN, lucky him.
@@emerald6489 yeah I can't even have 1
if Kami/nameless Namekian creating King Piccolo makes him his father, wouldn't that make him Piccolo Jr.'s grandfather?
"It sounds funny i know
But it really is so
I'm my own grandpa"
In the game called dragon Ball Sonic warriors Piccolo revived King Piccolo and fused with him so perhaps that is his fifth father.
Lmao an alternate version of the 4th father. Brilliant. 5 fathers it is !
I always liked that part of Piccolo's What If Story, it was a cool way to have him get strong enough to challenge Buu.
Technically he has 5 Fathers. Can't forget Toriyama
Picollo is his own father, unckle, grandfather. No wonder he's so good with kids lol.
But it low-key makes sense that namekians are good with kids since they are designed to be single parents
If the Nameless Namekian counts as the father of King Piccolo it would also mean that Piccolo is his own grandpa.
Depends on which Piccolo youre talking about
@@kaialone Piccolo Jr. after fusing with Kami.
Piccolo technically is his own grandfather
In DB Daima, Piccolo said his father was born in 2nd Demon World's Namek, but I believed he referred Katas, the father of the Nameless Namekian, who Kami and King Piccolo used to be before separating. The Nameless Namekian was only a child when he arrived on Earth.
Yes Sir
Wait till they retcon it in the next episode of daima.
Lol
Dbz was just about retcons, Dbz only exists because of retcons, Dragon ball fans don't even seem to watch the series itself. And Daima doesn't even have that much of a retcon, most of the "retcons" are contradicting things said in an interview, that Akira just changed his mind, and that's not a retcon, to be a retcon it has to be a new fact that contradicts/changes a fact previous established within the series, and interview in general is not as reliable because of this
*add lore* (retconning isn’t always a bad thing)
Majin creation is inherently a retcon. Toriyama wrote Dragon Ball Online and the procreation/creation of Majins. @@pensandoemalgo.5722
@@pensandoemalgo.5722It's not just interviews, the guidebooks and manga are also being contradicted so it's definitely a retcon. And DBZ isn't about retcons that was just added lore to Goku and expanding the universe that's a different thing entirely.
I had three fathers. One named Walt, two named Ralph. (Bardock Brownie Point if you get the ref)
Lol
2:50
Old Kai says he was Kaioshin 15 generations ago.
Daizenshuu 7 and Chozenshu 4 both place him being sealed in Z sword at "75 million years ago"
75 million must come from the idea the Kaioshin are around for AT LEAST 5 Million years. Since Shin was alive 5 million years ago when Boo attacked the Kais.
5 million times 15 is 75 million..
Thank you for this breakdown legend!
@@Dragonballdave363 Was shin there when Moro attacked 10 Million years ago?
@abhinavk0929 we don't see him in any Panels, it's hard to say. Shin does say he was the youngest of the Kaioshin, but that's it.
Good info. Tbf they have been retconning some Daizenshuu stuff so that may change
I think when he says only my father used to live here he is just referring to the Namek planet in the human realm
That's a twist of the situation. They are standing in the Demon Realm.
No he's talking about his ancestor prior to nameks escaping from the demon realm. That is where they originated.
A namekian just needs to wish for immortality and that would make them life forever, that includes millennias.
That means Gohan has 7 grandfathers
Ffs lol
Grandpa Gohan, Master Roshi, Bardock, Ox King, nameless namekian, King Piccolo and Grand Elder Guru?
@@joxerd I was thinking of the four fathers of Piccolo mentioned in this video plus Grandpa Gohan, Bardock, and Ox King. Those three "fathers" of Goku are either blood related or was a guardian. Some people might consider Master Roshi too, but I consider him more of a teacher.
Kindergarten: coolest kid ever
Middle school: bullied to death
So piccolo gives himself quadruple the Father’s Day gifts every year huh?
LOL
6:04 It’s stated that Earth’s influence is what caused their split (the beings of earth influenced a “good” and “bad” side). And from established Namekian abilities, no matter how many times they split, they all are of the same person (nameless Namek) so Current Piccolo simply reassembled himself THEN gained a planet Namek heritage from Nail, completing the formation of the real Nameless Namekian
Think about that line Piccolo says “I am neither Kami nor Piccolo…”, he has become closest too the original son of Katas
damn so piccolos mom was for the streets
Lmao
To be fair his mom is his dad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
An interesting video, Scholar.
My question to you is how does Neva factor into all of this?
Piccolo is a unique individual in that he was initially created from division, respawned, and yet was made more through absorption/fusion. Nail and Kami being prime examples.
As I said earlier and elsewhere, Namekian physiology fascinates me.
The species is able to divide themselves using arcane mystical means, and fuse into one being using similar means.
Interesting.... I've got a follow up video you're gonna love this theory lmao
@SaiyanScholar
I'm looking forward to it, Scholar!👍🏿
I love namekians. So many cool abilities and such interesting lore. Most importantly, they're the only beings that can tap into and harness the power of dragons (which are beings who exist beyond all universes and realms), not even the Gods of the universes can do that.
@EndoScorpion
Great observations. Indeed. They are a remarkable species.
He is going to be busy trying to do Father's day with all of his fathers.
Giorno sweating in the corner:
Buu attacking the Grand Supreme Kai & the others also happened millions of years ago.
I believe Moro getting sealed also happened millions of years ago as well.
Both events occurred after the glinds left the demon world from my understanding.
How I interpret it before watching.
-Piccolo jr is a reincarnation of demon king piccolo
-DKP father came from the demon realm hence why he goes by the demon monicker to carry on his legacy in some way
That’s what I’m thinking at least
3:15 kai cenat and ray cameo
I wonder if one of his dads was an albino namekian
I feel like Kami and King shouldn’t count because they all the same guy, it’s like Current piccolo rebuilt himself from the other ones. He gained a new father from Nail and planet Namek, and Katas created a new actual son when he made the nameless Namek
So Piccolo's father, grandfather, and Great Grandfather are all the same person as well as himself is the final explanation of having 4 fathers?
That was anti climatic.
Yes. And yes
Ah no he has 1, the nameless Namekian split into king Picoolo and kami, Picoolo Jr. Is king Picoolo's son(born from an egg and not by splitting) but he is an incarnation of sorts at the same time and when he fuses back with Kami(he also fused with Nail so theres a new entity in him) he becomes the nameless namekian again.
3:59 - Not necessarily! He could’ve gone to the demon realm and told them there, long before Katas was born.
6:54 - King Piccolo is not a part of the equation. He’s not been wished back & absorbed by Jr, like in Supersonic warriors.
Piccolo Jr is the reincarnation of Demon King Piccolo.
So Piccolo Jr literally is Demon King Piccolo.
Demon King Piccolo cannot be wished back since his soul is already alive, reincarnated as Piccolo Jr.
Imagine they tried to wish Kid Buu back despite Uub existing.
As for Elder Kaioshin; he doesn't have that authority in the Demon Realm. Glinds don't rule there. Thus why Nahare/Shin has no authority there.
@ Toriyama openly stated that Kid Buu is still in hell despite being reincarnated as Uub.
@@insanemakaioshin Source??
@@kaialone nevermind I mixed up a quote about strength and something else I read soon after.
I've been talking to people about this since the episode dropped
Finally something common in Piccolo and Lana Rhoades' son
Well "piccolo" technically speaking yes, however he is also essentially the original and father of all namekians. He just does not recall his true name. (Ps piccolo belongs to all 3 clans of namekian) dragon, warrior, and is a "super namek".
Video is just starting, but I'm going to guess Piccolo's grandfather is also his father.
Huh.. He really was 3 different versions of himself over the years. And is now a 4th. How's Nail handling it in there?
OG Piccolo 😤
Oooooooo ye
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Hell yeah. That posh mf accent trying to creep back lol
@@SaiyanScholarur GD right
I think the name of Dragon ball daima should be called Dragon ball Retcons due to the different origins.
Now as far as with this new story dialogue that they're giving Piccolo to me I wouldn't be surprised if Nava is related to Piccolo and then we find out that he is the true original Super Namekian similar to Slug.
Lol
Super deserves that title before Daima.
The retcon to the potara fusion could have made sense if vegito was actually fighting boohan for almost an hour but it wasn't close to an hour.
Gowasu knew of this information that it's not permanent on Non-Kais but the Kai's in universe 7 doesn't know this information and they been living for millions of years.
I know this isn't related to Dragon Ball Daima at all but will in the future do the Dragon Ball Z anime powerscale video series ?.
I'm scanning z anime right now.
Agreed
So Katatsu, Piccolo Daimao and the nameless namekian aka kami, who's the fourth?
Since Nail in now a part of Piccolo, it would be Nail's father: Grand Elder Guru.
is 4 dads any better than 2 moms?
That part on Katattsu I can understand. Although I always saw him as a grandfather to Piccoro Jr. rather than father. As for Kami I saw him as an uncle to Piccoro Jr., as he and DKP were born from the split of the nameless Namekian which makes them brothers by sense. Although I understand what you said here, I will continue to accept only DKP as the father of Piccoro Jr. for convinience purpose. For anyone confused by my acronym DKP stands for Demon King Piccoro, it's just too freaking long to say every time. Also why Piccoro and not Piccolo? Since Piccoro is the superior Japanese name and not the garbage juice translation.
Kami wasn't born from that split. The Nameless Namekian expelled the evil from within him, then took the name/title of Kami. So Kami literally is the Nameless Namekian. Demon King Piccolo is the personification of the evil that was expelled from Kami/the Nameless Namekian.
So yes, Kami gave life to Demon King Piccolo, and can be considered his father in a way.
@@EndoScorpion I know all of that. But the way I see it the moment in which the nameless Namekian, for convience purposes I'll call him Katattsu Jr. When Katattsu Jr. split I interpenetrate it as he lost his persona which was split into two. Which is why I continue to see the two parts as brothers until they reunited.
Dragon ball ended with Z. And maybe even GT. Super is a joke and just rips off previous material. Daima is been written by someone who probably never watched dragon ball. Please let it rest.
Zalama is father of Piccolo :D
what is the hate for xenoverse
what's with the intro lately? Are you okay?
It's the exact same intro as the start of each Daima Episode. Are you OK?
@@SaiyanScholar That's weird, I don't remember that. 🤭
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Every episode intro of Daima lol
@ my wife’s getting fed up with me and the kids walking around the house saying it lmao
Meanwhile Gohan have 3 fathers, Piccolo is Gohan's adopted father. Piccolo adopted Gohan after Goku's death.
Goku is Gohan's stepfather. Goku treated Gohan like his stepchild & Gohan are visibly not Goku's child.
Yamcha is Gohan's biological father. Yamcha is a Saiyan born without a tail & were cast off to Earth. It happened when Goku asked Yamcha to teach him what to do with his wife, Chichi.
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Daimas trash fr.
Lol. Disagree
Delusional take
If you think Super is better than Daima, you are objectively wrong. Like, I don't mind if you prefer one or the other for personal taste, but objectively, Daima is a far superior series, and far more important to the ENTIRE Dragon Ball than Super was in almost 10 years, and Daima did all of that in 10 episodes only
@@pensandoemalgo.5722This feels like a copy paste lmao
You're getting trolled by Toriyama and it's working
Piccolo has a sus ass family line now. Gay.
Only now?
It's been this way since he was introduced.