Century C308 VS PTR 91
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Head to head comparison of the “Gen 2” Century C308 Sporter and the PTR 91 GIR.
0:00 Introduction
1:01 Background
4:26 Similarities
5:32 Price Difference
6:01 Trigger Difference
6:39 Sight Difference
8:38 Muzzle Device Difference
9:17 PTR Advantages
10:23 Potential Modifications
10:50 Bolt Carrier Groups
11:18 Summary
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“Clapping” another great Video well done. This is exactly why I purchased the C308 over other variants. The cost meant if I had issues at all I could afford to fix them turns out I never had a single problem! The gun will eat anything you put in it quite literally though you can’t reuse the brass maybe something worth mentioning. Other then that I love it.
Bras can be reloaded if you use the rubber brass deflector and even if you don't you can just fireform the dent out of the cases and mostly all the fluting marks are nothing more than cosmetic and disappear with a decent tumble.
That's why I prefer to use cheap and dirty steel cased ammo. Why spend the money for the good stuff? She likes it dirty.
@@fredandersen9873 Hell yea she does 🤘
I have the c308 and have never had a problem ! I did put the G3 furniture but cost almost as much as the rifle itself. BUT ONE BAD ASS RIFLE and a better shooter than my AR 10.
I have a pre-ban HK91 and I'm glad I bought it. Amazing quality and collector value. The rear sight drum has zero play on the real HK rifles. I was thinking of buying one of these lesser quality G3 clones to practice with and save my HK from the wear. We'll see.
Just recently got a c308. Here in California, it's kinda the only actually available option. And I paid a ptr price for it. About $1000 after fees.
But it seems to be solid. I've only taken it out to shoot once thus far. And it holds a good zero
Nice. A year out from the original video, I maintain my opinion that the C308 is at least the equal of the PTR. Heck of a rifle.
@@Triangle26 I do think one disadvantage of the c308 is the non-adjustable sights. Adleast no windage adjustment. Unless they are adjustable and I just don't know how yet. But as far as I can tell, the front and backs are both welded on with no adjustment keys.
And that wouldn't be so bad, if the iron sights didn't have me hitting right of aim. But I grabbed one of my red dots from the closet and just threw that on the rail.
@@fairplayer916 This fooled me too. The C308 front sight *is* windage adjustable, although it’s a little bit of a pain.
A TH-camr by the name of “OreGear” has an excellent video detailing the adjustment process.
Great content!
Love this pattern of rifle and I have both of these as well. I got the C308 new a few years ago and I think it was on sale for around $600. I wasn't looking for one, but it was so darn cheap I had to buy it. Happy I did.
Right? For $600, it’s a screaming deal.
Love this G3s with wood parts, remember me the C58 from Cod Cold war
Very informative and enjoyable video.
Job, well done.
Thanks for checking it out!
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6 months ago I got the PTR/Century Arms Gen2 C308. Mine came with BEAUTIFUL wood. Polymer Lower Trigger Housing, Chevron Break. One of each 5, 20, 30 round mags! I Got an Original SEF Metal Lower, a Timney 2 Stage 3.5 to 4lb Trigger. EO-TECH 552NV, Leather Cetme Sling, Barrel Clamp Folding Bipod, Bayonet and a Tac Latch. So it is a nice Set Up. Waiting on RTG to get a nice wood grip. Love this platform bro!
Great video very informative
Thanks
I love my c308.
I threw on an mlok Aimsport rail and a 1-4 sightmark. Amazingly accurate rifle. 400 yard gongs are a breeze!
Awesome!
I’ve actually heard nothing but good things about those Aim Sports M-LOK rails. Out of curiosity, did you go with the standard or extended length, and did it require modification for a proper fit?
I’m flirting with the idea of building out my C308 into a more modern configuration as well.
My C-308 Rocks and it shoots, lights out!
I have an older century c308 it had shot great for thousands of rounds the only issue I've ever had was I tried to upgrade the lower with one from RTG parts, supposedly improved trigger and whatnot... However the front shelf is not in the right position and it had caused a failure to eject. I did not realize the issue for a very long time as I also changed the buffer at the same time. (I'm an idiot, but in my defense I was an infantry soldier not an armor) long story short now the rifle has mostly HK components and I am back to the original lower. The rifle has seen tens of thousands of rounds and the only time it has failed to function properly has been when it had this "modified" lower on it. Now that the original lower has seen so many trigger pulls it is actually far smoother than the "modified" one I wasted $225 on. I also have the keymod rail, with my grip pod on the forend, MFI scope base with a primary arms 1 to 6 first focal plane optic, oversized rubber butt pad and clip on cheek riser for GI stock and rubber port buffer. I inherited this rifle when I was 16 years old now I'm 33 still shoots about 2MOA. Any of you want to buy a fancy "slicked up" lower "clipped and pinned" so it looks super cool 😎 I'll make ya a deal
Wow! Very informative and well done review! 👏 I'm doing research in preparation for buying 1 of these very rifles right now. Very helpful. Thank you!
I have a C308 and it has a PTR barrel, and trigger group, the bolt is HK the only things on it that are CETME are the cocking tube and charging handle. The pistol grip and butt stock are Century Arms. I find it to be more than accurate, and adequate.
The origi2al CETME cartridge. 7.92x41mm sounds so cool, an intermediate cartridge, capable out to 1k yards. Though I think manufacture would be more complex. It was an aluminum slug, that had a copper cuff. The copper would keep the soft aluminum from contacting the barrel and would help stabilize the bullet in flight. Forgotten weapons did a video on it. Very interesting round.
Absolutely. I’m a sucker for rounds that blur the line between intermediate and full power.
I have C308-PTR and happy....but always wondered if PTR was 2X better. Thanks for your review & opinion....BTW 525 was steal.
Ptr was built on hk tooling and hk g3 parts fit directly in the Ptr since well they are built on hk tooling to hk specs
I have a older PTR 91 GI ,it has no rail mount or paddle release ,I swapped out the furniture with Hk A3 wide hand guard with a bipod the German sliding stock and added a B&T scope rail and put on a aftermarket paddle magazine release…I put a better trigger box with different springs and polished components ….after all that ….it shoots okay…I kinda wish I’d just picked up a C308 mainly because I probably would have saved more money in the long run ….
That's pretty much my experience as well. I ended up getting rid of my C308 and turning my PTR into a rather expensive Swedish AK4D "clone". After all that work, it still shoots okay. Neither of them are perfect rifles, but the C308 was really hard to beat for the price.
That's terrible about those sites. The 2 PTR91 rifles I owned, (I sold the first one, needed money) never had that problem. I'm just thinking that the older rifles PTR91 made used surplus sites that were better made. My trigger is rather decent, too. I wish I could get one of those c308 rifles, but Maryland has banned them from being purchased here since I bought my PTR91 GI ten years ago.
I got my c308 at cabelas right at the start of Covid freak out for 550 had been 750 and the store sold out in two days here in Texas.
If you're a soldier and told to march up a hillside with 200 rounds, and be prepared for a few days out...hauling that pig. would not be so good! German engineering--and how f'ing complex can you make it! But it works and its unique and I love mine. Four days of TH-cam to figure out the bolt carrier/bolt lock-up....rotate, pull/twist twist, rotate back... Maybe the heft of the bolt carrier was a survival-aid...you can always club racoons, porcupines, salmon with it :-)
Subbed. Interesting video man. I’ll probably just buy both and sell the one I least like 😂 that’s worked for me in the past. Where did you source the wood furniture? That’s a must for me.
Always a wise strategy 👍
The good news is that CETME wood furniture is cheap and easy. I got mine from Centerfire Systems. Product is “Cetme Model C 5-Piece Replacement Parts Kit with Wood Furniture”. $25, in stock now.
The bad news is that the H&K wood furniture is expensive and a pain. I thought I was overpaying when I gave $110 for a set from Northridge International, but they are now selling those same sets for $350. If it was me - I’d scour auction sites, and maybe try to find a deal on a rough set I could fix / refinish.
Nice rifles 🎉
My Century Ams Cetme, is a dream. Except for breaking a firing pin by dry firing, I've never had any problems. The bolt on mine wasn't ground and the head spacing is perfect.
Awesome, glad to hear it 👍
I have both rifles Century & PTR. Both of my PTRs, the 91 & 9CT are new builds (2022). My PTR is 100 times better then the C308. The older PTRs were made with used military and law enforcement parts. All the new PTRs are using new in house built parts and ship with FULL AUTO internals. I own the PTR 91 & PTR 9CT and ran both in Full Auto right out of the box with no problems. My friend had a problem with his PTR, the head spacing was off, after PTR fixed it the rifle has ran perfectly.
I own and love the C308. Just ordered the wood stock set.
Awesome. My install was as easy as could be, hopefully yours is the same!
@@Triangle26 thanks brother, stay safe!
Just ordered the ptr gir today the price difference was not enough to get the c308
Very understandable. With today’s prices, it really comes down to buyer’s preference. The C308 is a great rifle and a great shooter, but the PTR91 is fundamentally closer to being a “real” G3, and G3s are super cool.
Very interesting video.
I can only speak from half of your experience because I have a PTR-100GI and have never owned a C-308. I have read that the CETME was originally built around a cartridge that was weaker than the 7.62x51 NATO. If I recall correctly, the effect of firing 7.62 NATO in a C-308 built on CETME parts, over time, is that the firearm simply wears out. This is not a quality control in manufacturing issue, it's a design issue. To the extent that the C-308 is now built on newly manufactured as opposed to surplus CETME parts, I wonder if the new parts are made to HK specs as opposed to original Spanish CETME tolerances. Yes, I am that much of a gun geek to actually wonder about this.
So this is a great point - and I suspect you may enjoy my “Introduction the the G3 Rifle Platform” video.
I believe you are thinking of the CETME Modelo A, which was chambered in the reduced power ‘7.62 CETME’ cartridge. In my video, I argue that that the attenuated Spanish 7.62 cartridge was fundamentally better than the 7.62 NATO chambering of the CETME Modelo B.
In any case, the Century C308 builds are based on Modelo B parts kits, which are indeed designed to take 7.62 NATO (or 308 Winchester) pressures, and shouldn’t experience premature parts wear compared to any other G3 type rifle.
Gun geeks for life, brother. Those are precisely the type of inquiries which hold my interest as well.
The Military Arms channel did a comparison and that c308 was junk
@@TheRealZJE313
Actually it's not since PTR builds the C308 for Century Arms. The earlier Century Arms CETME rifle actually produced BY Century was the one that earned the reputation of being "iffy". The C308 works as well as any PTR-91. I know for a fact that the C308 WILL stop a charging bull with aggression issues even after being kicked around in the dirt.
Does your surplus CETME mags have some resistance while inserting them in the c308 magwell?
Some resistance, yes. Nothing that’s ever stood out to me as problematic or unusual though.
Appreciate it. I just received my c308 and ordered some mags. They seem a bit tight but they do seat. Seems a bit odd.
The C308 was made by ptr for century. Not sure if you knew this or perhaps you mentioned it later in the video.
Originally they weren’t. Century originally built the guns themselves but when they had major QC issues since they had little to no experience building roller delayed weapons. They then contracted with JLD (Now PTR) to manufacture the guns.
Jusr bought a Ptr 91 used sad to say I returning it .Found it has a weild separation on receiver and piston tube 😢
Dang, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad you were able to get a return!
I regret selling mine, paid $650, sold for $1,200 though lol
Had to swap the Chevron for a birdcage so I could mount the bayonet.
I'm sure I will sell mine one day for twice what I paid for it, and then promptly regret it. Glad I will be in good company lol
@@Triangle26Update
Will be selling one of my Mosin Nagant Rifles with some extras. I'll be back in the Century PTR gen 2 C-308 game by pm hours today lol. I have a couple Mosins so I'm excited
Many years ago I had a chance to buy one of these but I didn’t. My mistake.
You aren’t a real “gun guy” if you aren’t haunted by the deals you passed up... I’ve missed some big ones over the years.
Wow the Military Arms channel show how junk the C308 was compared to the pTR 91 and the PTR91 was the best and closest copy to the HK91.but u are saying the total opposite
I've seen the MAC video. For the record, Tim never describes the C308 as junk. His exact words are actually "it seems to be a decent rifle, it works well." But at the end of the day, he does clearly state that he believes the PTR is worth the extra $400+ dollars, and yes, I am saying exactly the opposite of that.
On an unrelated note, I should mention that unlike Tim from MAC, I have no financial relationship to Atlantic Firearms (the primary retailer for PTR products)... 🤫
@@Triangle26 ok.
To be fair MAC is fairly biased and has a little bit of snobbery going on. He talks often about expensive firearms and rarely shines light on entry level, lower tier firearms for average users.
Ptr is built on hk tooling and hk parts can be directly swapped and dropped right into the Ptr. That’s what made me chose the Ptr over the century. Plus why would you want a century. Everything from them is always sub par in the qc department
If you like PTR, you’ve answered your own question.
The Gen 2 C308 was *built by PTR* on contract for Century. So Century’s QC isn’t relevant. The Gen 2 C308 was a PTR built rifle which used actual military surplus parts, for less than $500. It was a great value. I ultimately kept the PTR and sold the Century because I like the “clone appeal” of the PTR, but I can honestly say the Century was a functionally superior rifle.
Ptr is built better.. no comparison.
I'm not sure about the junk furniture, but the barrel and other American parts on the c308 are sourced from PTR, at least on the builds built in the last decade, the cetmes released by Century in the 90's were assembled by idiots that would grind the bolt instead of swap out rollers for bad headspace.
Seems the price difference is so small now may as well get the PTR
The Military Arms channel did a comparison and that c308 didn't look to good
PTR built the C308 for Century. I'm reasonably certain that PTR probably didn't give it the TLC they give their own builds but I can tell you that the C308 is well made.
Built better than a rifle built off original parts and built on PTR receivers. Tell that to an AK guy and watch them laugh.
save yourself a headache and just buy a GALIL ACE
I'm pretty sure you are missing the point.
People who buy G3/HK91/CETME C type rifles typically are doing so because they are mechanically and historically interesting, not because they want the slickest 7.62 NATO launching platform on the market. The "headache" is actually part of what makes these weapons appealing.
Furthermore, the Galil ACE is by no means the best option for a "headache free" battle rifle. Don't get me wrong, I like them, and its a very respectable choice. But for 9/10 Americans, an entry level AR-10 would still be the higher performing choice.
I am not fond of “Century Arms” I have not had a good experience with the company.
Totally reasonable. A great number of people who have experienced their products feel similarly.
Wow! Very informative and well done review! 👏 I'm doing research in preparation for buying 1 of these very rifles right now. Very helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was useful to you, and good luck. Either way you go, I don’t think you will be disappointed.