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Just started listening to this during my morning quiet time while I crochet. I've been covering for al.ost 4 years and it has been such a blessing; even though zi have no friends or family who cover. It is NOT a burden to obey God when He tells us to do a simple thing like wearing something over our heads when in public. It is actually freedom. God bless you sisters! 😊 Pnemore thought. I'd hone back and firth on my head for years beforehand over wgether it's tge hair or an additional covering. What stuck out for me that ended my internal argumen was "because of the angels". Wait...WHAT?!?! Welll THAT semt my husband I down a rabbit hole about Genesis. But what happened with me, was; that whatever Paul meant by that (he did no elaborite on it loke he did with literrly every other subject), if the angels have something to do with it, I don't need to comprehend it fully to understand that this truly IS a more seriois isdue than we can even fathom.
Another thing: I noticed that my white hair (I was well on my way to fully white hair) has begun to revert back to it's natural colr, has grown its firmer strength back and breaks and splits less since covering, and I stopped being tormented by horrible demoic night mares (something I suffered since furst coming to the Lord in my esrly teens), as soon as I said yes to God about covering. I feel so spiritually protected, it's amazing! My husband was on board the first time I said I wanted to be covered he didn't csre what the covering looked like or whether I co ered full time or just out in public. Yet; it wasn't something we ever really discussed in depth. I realised later thst he had thrown little hints here and there that I hadn't picked up on. IlI WILL let a clie family member to see me imvovrred i they are visiting for an overnight dtay, only because I fon't blow dry my hair and let it dry freely. But I make sure my husband is always at home whenever I shower with another person in the house anyway. That's one issue I kind of struggled eith at furst...whether or not to let only vlose friends and relatives see me wighout a head covering onside the home. I think it's ok to allow for common sense circumstances like that, especially with close loved ones who knew is before we started covering.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16 Be imitators of me, even as I also am of CHRIST. 2 But I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and you keep the doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered (veiled) dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head (or brings shame to her head); for that is even the same as if she were shaved (In fact, she may as well shave her head). 6 For if the woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn. But if it is a shame (or disgrace) for a woman to be shorn or shaven (cut her hair or shave her head), let her be veiled. 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of GOD. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man (For man did not originate from woman, but the woman originated from man) 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman (must) ought to have authority on her head because of the angels. 11 But neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the LORD. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so the man is also through the woman; but all things of GOD. 13 Judge among yourselves: is it right that a woman pray to GOD unveiled? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a shame to him? 15 But if a woman should have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 This is how things are done in all of GOD’S churches, and that is why none of you should argue about what I have said.
Some people mock and reject women for covering. I've experienced that from family, friends, and in the workplace. I believe people's resistance is not about the covering, per se, it's an observable statement that God has standards that are in contrast to what's popular with pop culture and God require our allegiance to Him.
Think this topic goes both ways. If you are born within a family that wears a hat or a veil they are pressured into wearing them because they think they are following some kind of Godly ordinance but in fact are following someone's misinterpretation. The real issue isn't about whether people are against a godly requirement but if that there never was one to begin with. The verses in question are referring to long hair which covers the head not an artificial covering. A doctrine requires scriptures and if the scriptures refer to hair over and over in 1 Cor 11 and there are no words to prove an artificial covering then it stands to reason that there was a misinterpretation.
Glory to Jesus , We are to cover our head in public worship. The Lord told me to do this at the age of 12 when i knew nothing about the Word and i obeyed.
Glory to Jesus. women do not need to cover their head in public worship (it is not mentioned btw) The Lord told you no such thing.as the scriptures only refer to long hair as a covering not an artificial one.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
Thank you for this video I enjoy listening to the talks. I’m not anabaptist but wish to learn more. I struggle with head coverings and have done so on and off for yrs now. I am feeling that I need to be covered so this has come at a great time. Any and all info on this subject and modesty are appreciated. Also how do I get informed about live talks if I wish to participate.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
1 thing im stuck on is why do you believe women are to cover always if men are allowed to wear hats? what if a man is wearing a hard hat at a construction job and wants to pray? or its winter and he is out with his family and wants to be silently praying out in a snowstorm with a hat on? if women are expected to always be covered are men expected to never have a hat on?
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
Several comments and honest questions that I'd really appreciate an answer to... not sure if these comments are read by S2S Sisters or Renee (the speaker in this video) or not. For context - I am a headcovering Believer of anabaptist persuasion that covers from getting dressed in AM till bedtime. And yes I have real convictions to this end - hasn't been just habitual etc. 1. Curious why Renee is so opposed (comes out even more in the linked audio which I also listened to) to 'teaching' on headcovering? I'm puzzled why that is a problem since in both this video and in the audio - the intended audience is to be just other women. What am I missing as to why she feels so strongly about that? It almost comes across as this is just something she does (headcovering) for herself - and wants to not tell other Christian women it's for them too.... Which would again puzzle me. 2. And... do we all really believe that if your husband doesn't feel it's for today or necessary or whatever reason he may give to not be on board with the practice - then we as his wife shouldn't practice this biblical command. Really? I just really struggle with that conclusion. Submission order - yes! But... are we called to believe and practice the same things are husbands do in the name of submission? That gets pretty tricky! Essentially, he would be in 'unbelief' in this area... and we're to join in that? Again - I'm struggling to conclude that. 3. And 1 more - just a comment by way of info..... Many conclude that headcovering was just for the Corinthians in part because they interpret the introduction in Chapter 1 to the Book of Corinthians differently. they would see the phrase 'together with all the saints' as just a descriptive phrase of the Corinthians... that they are part of the saints. As well as being holy and sanctified as also descriptives of them stated in that verse. So, if we'd like to use that intro sentence proof that I Cor. was written for all people in all time - we'd need to speak to that understanding of the sentence structure a bit . :). It gets sticky for sure. So so many reasons against it out there. Thanks for any input that you can give!
I am not affiliated with S2S but thought I'd just give my opinion... 1) Perhaps this is just her level of comfort, and she feels very convicted about not teaching because that is reserved for men? Our personalities are all different as well as what we are comfortable with. For example, I would have had no problem calling out "lace doilies" as being insufficient as a head covering (though I would have to pray for humility to find the right words to do so), but she was not comfortable with doing that. I do understand how it can almost feel puzzling to hear people not wanting to be specific, because I think is necessary at times, as well as older women being called to teach younger women, yet doing so online can be a bit tricky. Any thoughts? 2) I was a bit surprised by this as well, but that doesn't mean it was wrong in her situation. As you said it is tricky. We should all seek God for guidance and older women in our lives if anyone is in that situation and do so with a gentle spirit. She did make a good point in that we could become prideful about it. 3) I never even thought at all about the intro, because I never thought it was needed as "proof" Thanks! I was incredibly blessed by this talk and found Renee's enthusiasm to be infectious and beautiful to see!
@@janeEyreAddict thanks for sharing your thoughts. As to the 'teaching'... it seemed she was opposed to teaching on head covering period... but maybe she was just opposed to teaching specifics about it. That part I could understand... but it didn't come thru quite that way unless I missed something... and I surely could have! Usually doing other things while I listen :)
Paul , the Apostle taught on that.But he also taught that we do not argue about it. And he said, if one does not understand , let him not understand. It's should not be the topic of passionate persuasion . I see it as an Apostolic tradition that should be followed. But How it should be followed - it's up to our consciousness
David Bercot also taught that it is really hard to be alone without Anabaptist church around. That was one of the reasons we moved to Ohio , because in the state we used to live were barely any Anabaptists
Hello! I'm encouraged by this! And happily surprised that I have learned new things and aspects! Praise the Lord! I've struggled with knowing what to do with my hair whilst swimming, I'd appreciate what Scripture-based advice can be shared! Please!
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16 Requires Two Head Coverings for the woman. The Katakalupto = Veil or Temporary or Artificial Head Covering when Praying Or Prophesying, and the Peribolaion = Permanent Long Hair Covering to be worn at All Times. Why is that so hard to understand? Verses 13-15 are basically the same arguments in Verse 5 and Verse 6; it is a Consistency Argument: The fact that a woman is permanently covered by Nature = with the Long Hair, should help us to see the Propriety of the woman veiling or Covering herself with a Veil or an Artificial Head Covering whenever she Prays Or Prophesying. Outside of 1st Corinthians chapter 11 in the Holy Bible, Kalupto refers to a Fabric Covering Over 80 Times; and Not Once does it ever refer to a Covering of Long Hair. Katakaluptō= Veiled/Covered/Cover = Verses: 6 & 7 and Akatakaluptos = Unveiled/Uncovered = Verses 5 & 13 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Every woman is Required to have Two Head Coverings. One: Long Hair all the time, for this is her natural covering and Two: A Veil or an artificial head covering. A woman Only needs to Wear a Veil or artificial head covering whenever she Prays to GOD or Prophesies. If a woman is not Praying to GOD, then she does Not need to wear a Veil. How often are we to pray? Pray Without Ceasing as per 1 Thessalonians 5:17. Whenever a woman is reading the book of Prophecies or rather the Holy Bible, then should her head be Veiled? Should a man have his head covered whenever he reads from the Holy Bible? This is something to think about. * Women Must Wear A Veil Whenever They Pray To GOD Because Of: * Creation Order and Headship...GOD our FATHER is the head CHRIST; CHRIST is the head of man; and man is the head of woman. It is following the Proper Chain Of Command * Because of the Angels * It was and still is Church Practice in All the Churches of GOD * It is a womans Symbol of her Submission to GOD and mans Authority or a Symbol Of Authority or a Symbol of Submission and being Submissive to GOD and man. The Veil is a Removable Head Covering. The Veil or Artificial Head Covering is Symbolizing a womans Submission to Authority...She is Under GOD and mans Authority * It is Propriety in Worship * It is a Commandment from GOD * It is Dishonorable, Shameful, Disgraceful, Disrespectful and Disobedient for a woman Not to wear a Veil whenever she prays to GOD or Prophesying * Women Ought To or Must Cover (verse 10) their Head with a Veil or an Artificial Head Covering whenever they Pray to GOD or Prophesying (does reading the Prophesied Holy Scriptures count as reading Prophesy? If it does, then a woman should Veil her head whenever she reads the Holy Bible to just be safe then sorry later on). How often are we to pray? Pray Without Ceasing as per 1 Thessalonians 5:17...How often should a woman Veil her head? Whenever she Prays Without Ceasing or should a woman Veil Without Ceasing? Think about it and dwell on this for a while. * Nature also teaches that women should Always have Long Hair. Wear does GOD ever say that medium hair length, shaved hair or cut short hair is okay for a woman to have? GOD says that women are to have Long Hair. A womans Long Hair = her Glory and it is her Permanent Head Covering and it is Glorious.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
Very interesting video! Thank you. I have wondered if I should wear a head covering. How do we know how much of the head should be covered? I see your whole head isn't covered and I've seen Mennonites' head covering and they only have partly - covered heads.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
I am really curious about something Renee said in the video about her husband expecting her to be quiet in church… this seems to me a very extreme view and stance you would take in interpreting Paul’s address to women. If that were to be the way Paul meant it, does that also mean you would not sing or converse with others during the church gathering? I think we need to be so careful that we don’t put ourselves in bondage is such a way where the world looks on and wants nothing to do with our so called “freedom” in Christ.
Hi Lisa, this is a great question! I was wondering the same thing. I can’t answer for Renee, but as a conservative head-covering Anabaptist myself, I can at least say that this view is uncommon among us. We would be very hesitant to take one passage like 1 Cor 14:34-35 and let it nullify other passages like Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 which instruct all Christians to participate in public worship. Many of us would also be open to women praying or prophesying in a mixed church gathering (not that much “prophesying” usually happens in our circles at all). In my circles, in the off chance that we have a mixed prayer meeting, women are often welcome to pray. Many of us don't see an indication in the head covering passage that “praying or prophesying” is a strictly private affair for either men or women. Taken the whole context, we’d probably see 1 Cor 14:34 as pertaining specifically to publicly questioning a man’s teaching (hence the instruction to ask husbands at home instead) and making public judgement on someone else’s prophecy, as indicated by the verses immediately preceding (esp. 1 Cor 14:29).
@@ApocalypseChill That’s an interesting story but I’m not aware of any historical sources for such a claim. Also, it would be strange for Paul to tell these women to ask their husbands questions about church at home, since the husbands of such women probably wouldn’t be present or know the first thing about Christian doctrine.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering. The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus. I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long. But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way… Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off. So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15. So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
@@Anna-q2t3v Yeah it says to cover the head but with what? It doesn't say a cloth now does it? Paul was meaning that a woman ought to cover her head with long hair.
If Paul would have been referring to hair, he would never have mentioned it in the first place because what woman doesn’t have hair? Thank you for this! I love it
Maria you are right. Thank you for stating something that everyone here should realize as truth instead of focusing on artificial coverings that the Bible never endorses.
@@SaloomsOdendaal “Those who promote a cloth veil as a covering try to use the fact that this word perbolaiou is different than the word katakalupto to prove that it is talking about a “second covering” - the long hair being the first, katakalupto, and the veil being the second, perbolaiou. But, katakalupto is not a noun, and does not mean what veil-promoters say it does. It shows a state of being, and is used as an adverb, say the scholars. Therefore, there are not two nouns - that is, two distinct coverings - being discussed. Rather, a state of being, or condition, is discussed: the man’s head is in a state or condition of being “not hanging-down, covered”, while the woman’s head is in a state of being “hanging-down, covered”. Her hair is given her for a “throw-around”. In other words, the hanging-down hair serves as a throw-around for her head - she is covered, and meets the condition first put forth: that she pray or prophesy with her long hair hanging down on her head. Since it is a shame for a man to have long hair, he is to pray to God with his head “not hanging-down, covered” -- ouk katakaluptesthai.” (Written by Bernie Parsons)
a 2 hour video on headcovering when every 10 seconds someone passes away and most of them are going to hell. this is a neurotic waste of time, I'll be out doing and focusing on what Jesus told us to do. this is some "sleeping church" behavior
You should have seen the comment where someone was giving advice to a woman WORRIED about not wearing a head covering in the shower. Neurotic is accurate.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16 Be imitators of me, even as I also am of CHRIST. 2 But I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and you keep the doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered (veiled) dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head (or brings shame to her head); for that is even the same as if she were shaved (In fact, she may as well shave her head). 6 For if the woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn. But if it is a shame (or disgrace) for a woman to be shorn or shaven (cut her hair or shave her head), let her be veiled. 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of GOD. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man (For man did not originate from woman, but the woman originated from man) 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman (must) ought to have authority on her head because of the angels. 11 But neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the LORD. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so the man is also through the woman; but all things of GOD. 13 Judge among yourselves: is it right that a woman pray to GOD unveiled? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a shame to him? 15 But if a woman should have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 This is how things are done in all of GOD’S churches, and that is why none of you should argue about what I have said.
GOD'S Plan For Our Salvation...(Short/Condensed Version) The Holy Bible definitely teaches that there are steps that a person must take in order to be Saved and to come to CHRIST. * We Must Hear the Gospel of CHRIST, for Faith comes by Hearing the Word of GOD (Romans 10:17). A person must Hear. The fact that we have sinned, GOD loves us, and CHRIST died for us is learned when the gospel is preached. In Every case of conversion found in the book of Acts, people first had to Hear...Romans 10:17, John 5:24, Acts 2:37, Acts 8:6, Acts 8:35; Acts 9:6, Acts 10:33, Acts 16:14, Acts 16:32, and Acts 19:5. As we Hear we learn that we have sinned...Romans 3:23, that GOD loves us...John 3:16, and that CHRIST died for us...Romans 5:8. Without Hearing the Gospel Of CHRIST, we Cannot come to CHRIST...John 6:44-45. * Upon Hearing GOD'S Word, we must Believe...Mark 16:16, John 6:47. We Must All Believe in CHRIST, for Without Faith it is Impossible to Please GOD (Hebrews 11:6; John 8:24). This is another way of saying we must have Faith. Our SAVIOUR in John 8:24 said, if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins. Some denominations teach that a person is saved the moment he or she believes, but that is Not true. If that was true, then why was king Agrippa just almost a Christian? He believed...Acts 26:27-28. Why aren’t the devils saved? They believe...James 2:19. No, it takes More than just Believing and Faith only to be saved...James 2:24. * A person must also Repent...Acts 2:38. We Must Repent of all of our past sins, for GOD Commands all men, every- where to Repent (Acts 17:30-31; Luke 13:3-5). Our LORD taught that Repentance was absolutely Necessary in Luke 13:3 and 5 or else we will perish. That is why Saint Peter commanded people in Acts chapter 2 to Repent. Repentance is a Turning...a Turning From Sin and Turning to GOD. * If, upon Hearing and Believing GOD'S Word, and we are willing to Repent, then we all Must then Confess that our MESSIAH and CHRIST is the Only Begotten SON of GOD...Matthew 10:32, Matthew 16:16; Acts 8:37. Confession is made with the mouth unto (in the direction of) salvation as stated in Romans 10:9-10. Again, We All Must Confess our Faith in CHRIST JESUS as the Only Begotten SON of the Living GOD and our LORD (Romans 10:9-10). For HE said, He that Confesses ME before men, him will I also Confess before MY FATHER who is in Heaven (Matthew 10:32). Confession of our sins (1 John 1:7-9) * After Confessing CHRIST to be the SON of GOD, then we all Must be Baptized...Acts 2:38, Galatians 3:27. Baptism is the another step that helps to save us...1 Peter 3:21, because Baptism in the Holy Bible is for (in order to have) the Remission (Forgiveness) of our sins...Acts 2:38. Let our salvation be patterned after those we read about in the book of Acts! Again, We Must All be Baptized into CHRIST for the Remission of Sins, for saint Peter said, Repent, and be Baptized everyone of you in the Name of YESHUA CHRIST for the Remission of your sins (Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16). * Now these first several Steps (Hearing, Believing, Repenting, Confessing and being Baptized) are only for Qualifying for the Race and now We All Must actually Run the Race that is set before us all...1 Corinthians 9:24-27, Galatians 2:2, Galatians 5:7, Philippians 2:16, Philippians 3:14, Hebrews 12:1-2, 2 Timothy 4:7, 2 Timothy 4:8. Running the Race is actually the very difficult part after becoming a christian or disciple of CHRIST. You know that in a Race all the runners Run, but only one gets the prize. So Run to Win! All those who compete in the games use self-control so they can win a crown. That crown is an earthly thing that lasts only a short time, but our crown will never be destroyed. So I do not Run without a goal. I fight like a boxer who is hitting something-not just the air. I treat my body hard and make it my slave so that I myself will not be disqualified after I have preached to others. Let us Run the Race that is before us and never give up. We should remove from our lives anything that would get in the way and the sin that so easily holds us back and entangles us, and let us Run with endurance the Race that is set before us. * After Baptism, then We all must Live a faithful godly Life in CHRIST and Live a Faithful Life for CHRIST. We all need to walk in our CHRIST’S Light...Revelation 2:10, 1 John 1:7. We also need to be CHRIST like in all we say and do, and in CHRIST church we must worship GOD in spirit and truth, partake of the LORD'S Supper every first day of the week, Praise and Glorify HIM and be a Servant and a Disciple of CHRIST. One must Live Faithfully as a disciple of CHRIST, Live for CHRIST and stay faithful to GOD...We Must Have Love For GOD and Everyone. We are all Blessed If we keep and do our GODS commandments...Revelation 22:13-14. We must encourage and edify others to stay faithful and fight the good fight faith until the end of our earthly lives. We must rightly divide the words of GOD and put them into practice what GOD teaches us from the words of life. We must also test the spirits of mankind in order to see if they really are from GOD or if they are from the evil one. We are saved by continuing in true righteous obedience to our only GOD, for this is showing that we truly Love our GOD if we obey HIM and keep HIS commandments...Revelation 2:10 * Faith alone without works will not save us, for our GOD said faith without works is dead as per James 2:14-26. There is no such thing as once saved always saved, because anyone can fall from GOD’S Grace and be eternally lost. Once Saved Always Saved is False Teaching and False Doctrine and it is Only Wishful Thinking. We all should be willing to Suffer like and for CHRIST. * A woman cannot speak or teach men in church meetings or church assemblies or congregational church service meetings as per 1 Corinthians 14:33-37 and 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Women must remain or be Silent in the churches of our LORD and GOD. A man must not wear a head covering or a veil whenever he prays to GOD and a woman must wear a veil or head covering whenever she prays to GOD as per 1 Corinthians 11:1-16. * Our GOD is Composed of Three Spiritual Divine Beings...our Heavenly FATHER, HIS Only Begotten SON and our LORD and MESSIAH and CHRIST, and our HOLY SPIRIT. They All make up One GOD in Unified Oneness or One in Unity, One in Purpose, One in the Way, One in the Complete Truth, One in Patience, One in Meekness, One in Everlasting, One in Justice, One in Righteousness, One in Mercy or Mercifulness, One in Holiness, One in Hope, One in Perfect/Perfection, One in Harmony, One in Love, Etc.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16 1 Be imitators of me, as I also imitate CHRIST. 2 I commend (or praise) you brothers because you always remember me and you keep the Ordinances, Teachings, Traditions and Doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to understand and know that the head of every man is CHRIST and the man is the head of the woman, and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man Praying or Prophesying with something on his Head Covered (or Veiled), then he Dishonors his Head. 5 But every woman who Prays or Prophesies with her Head Unveiled (or Uncovered = Akatakaluptos) Dishonors her Head; for that is one and same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman will not Veil (or Cover = Katakalupto) her head, then she should cut off her hair or be Shorn; but if it is Disgraceful and Shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved or shorn, then let her wear a Veil (or be Covered = Katakalupto). 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head Covered (or Veiled = Katakalupto), because he is the Image and Glory of GOD. But the woman is the Glory of the man. 8 For the man was Not made from the woman, but the woman was made from the man. 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman Ought (or Must) have a (Veil on her head) or Symbol of Subjection or Sign of Authority on her Head Because of the Angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the LORD woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman And all things are from GOD. 13 Judge for Yourselves: is it right or proper for a woman to Pray to GOD with her head Un-Veiled or Uncovered = Akatakaluptos? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a Shame or Disgrace to him? 15 but if a woman has Long Hair it is her Glory (opposite of Shame), Because her (Long Hair) was given to her for A Covering (or Peribolaion)? 16 Some people may still want to Argue and be Contentious about this. But we and the Churches of GOD do Not Accept or Recognize what those people are practicing and doing and this is how things are Done in All of GODS Churches, and that is why None of you should Argue About what I have said. ________________________________________________________________ A Woman Must Wear A Veil Whenever She Prays To GOD Because Of: The Creation Order and Headship Authority Order or following proper chain of Command, Because of the Angels, Natures Teaching, and it was and it should always still be the Church Practice today in All the Churches of GOD. It is a womans Symbol of being in Submission to GOD and man, it is her Propriety in Worship, it is Using Proper Judgment, it is a Commandment from GOD, and it is because women are the Glory of man, and it is still Apostolic Teaching today as per 1 Corinthians chapter 11 verse 16. There is No Biblical Doctrine as Potentially Dangerous as a Partial Truth Implemented As Whole Truth! The Veil Head Covering was Never based on Culture Practices of the Corinthians, or their Lifestyle or Beliefs, Traditions of men, Miracles, spiritual gifts, Customs of the day, Prostitutes, Society, Etc. It is Time to Repent and to start obeying our GOD, for the day of Repenting is now and the Kingdom of GOD is at hand. We need to stop ignoring HIS Word * The Veil/Head Covering should be basic Christianity 101 and it should have been taught right from the beginning, even before we became a Christian, since communication with GOD is Extremely Important. How can we pray to GOD, if we are praying in a dishonorable, disobedient and disrespectful way? Do we think that GOD will listen and answer our shameful prayers? Something to think about before we go and kneel in prayer before our Creator and our Wonderful Loving Almighty GOD, SAVIOUR and HOLY SPIRIT. These are GODS Laws and Commands and they are not mine.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16...What Are The REAL Main Points? * They are all the doctrines, teachings, traditions and ordinances from GOD * The man is to not to cover his HEAD WITH LONG HAIR (Paul never mentions a veil or an artificial head covering) and a woman is to cover her HEAD WITH LONG HAIR (Paul never mentions a veil or an artificial head covering) because of the Creation Order and GODS Headship Authority Order or following the proper chain of Command from GOD. * Every man is to pray or prophesy with his head Uncovered (meaning not covered in long hair) in order to Honor our LORD and CHRIST, our HOLY SPIRIT and GOD our Heavenly FATHER. * Every woman is to pray or prophesy with her head covered (meaning in long hair) in order to Honor GOD and man. * It is Shameful and Dishonorable for every woman to have her head NOT COVERED IN LONG HAIR meaning short hair and to pray to our LORD and GOD with her head covered in long hair. * Every man indeed ought not to cover his head in long hair whenever he prays, because he is the image and glory of GOD. * Every woman must cover her head with long hair, because she is the glory of the man and the woman is of the man or she originally originated from man. * Women DO NOT NEED to wear a veil or covering whenever she prays, because the woman was created for the man, she simply needs to keep her hair long which obviously covers the head. The whole idea of creationism should logically be understood that the “covering” had to be something NATURAL that had to have existed since then NOT a manufactured veil that would be illogical. * Every woman ought to have authority on her head because verse 8 and 9 state that she was man from man and for man. Verse 10 is referring to the fact that her authority is MAN, it makes no mention of a veil. The King James never mentions the word symbol but unfortunately some translations have wrongly added this word and therefore have made some believe that a hat or veil is a symbol. That is why it says “For this cause…” (referring to verse 8 and 9) as to the reason why a woman should have authority, referring to MAN being her authority. That makes much more sense than the idea of a hat or veil. * Every woman should keep her hair long (aka head covered) because of the Angels since they are witnesses. * A woman should keep her hair long all the time not just during certain moments note that not even other translations use the word worship those who claim that a veil or head covering is necessary because it is her Propriety in Worship have added worship into the conversation because they have interpreted prayer and prophesying as an exclusive worship moment. If Paul meant worship he could have easily said that but he didn’t yet hair covering enthusiasts have added the word worship when there is no word for that in the passage. * Wearing a veil or head covering is NOT using Proper Judgment. It is the misinterpretation of man. Think about it. If the Bible says “Judge for yourselves; is it right that a woman prays to GOD uncovered? Then Paul is claiming that by the mere observation WE SHOULD ALL somehow know within us (as if it were innate) that it would LOOK wrong for a woman to be uncovered. Does Paul really think that if we were to observe a woman praying without a hat or veil that somehow we are to know she should have a manmade hat or veil on her head? No. Paul was saying that if a woman prays with her head NOT COVERED in long hair (meaning it is short) it should be OBVIOUS to ALL that something doesn’t look right. Just like it would look wrong if a man would have long hair. Both verses 13 and 14 are referring to hair one being short (uncovered) and the other being long. It is obvious that Paul was NOT referring to a hat because then the story would not make sense. Therefore, Paul was taking about hair all this time ...Period! * Natures Teaching...even Nature itself teaches you that if man has long hair, then it is a Shame to him. So in the same line of reasoning then if a woman has Short Hair (aka uncovered) then wouldn’t her short hair also be a Shame or Shameful to her? Keep in mind if we are going to use NATURE as our standard then how can we be talking about something UNNATURAL like a manmade, artificial hat or veil? That would be absurd! * It is true that all women should have Long Hair, because her Long Hair is a glory to her and Long Hair is given to her for a covering by God it NEVER says anything about “another” head covering. That is a lie that the enemy tries to use to confuse God’s people. * Women are NOT Required to have Two (2) Head Coverings. The scriptures only refer to one head covering and that is her natural hair as so stated in verse 15. Again when Paul refers to prayer or prophesying Paul was making the point of using two EXAMPLES that it would look wrong if a woman is going about doing anything holy or godly with SHORT HAIR or as Paul refers to as being uncovered. * The wearing of the required veil or head covering is NOT a commandment from GOD. Unfortunately, it is a grave misinterpretation made by man. Thankfully, most believers have not fallen victim to this lie and live wonderful Spirit filled lives without having to think that a hat or veil is somehow something required. If a hat or veil was really necessary for a woman to use for prayer don’t you think that Jesus would have mentioned that during his preaching on prayer? Something to think about. * GOD, the Apostles and all the churches of God IN THE BIBLE have no such custom of women praying or prophesying to GOD with their heads covered with a hat or veil. Only OUTSIDE the Bible have some churches taken this misinterpreted idea and raised it to the level of almost a sin if not that if a woman does not wear one. God bless.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16 Be imitators of me, even as I also am of CHRIST. 2 But I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and you keep the doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered (IN LONG HAIR) dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered (NOT COVERED IN LONG HAIR ergo SHORT) dishonors her head; for that is even the same as if she were shaved (BECAUSE THE COMPARISON IS THAT A SHORT HAIRED WOMAN LOOKS LIKE A SHAVED HEAD). 6 For if the woman is not covered (IN LONG HAIR), let her also be shorn (CUT BALD, the same word used in Acts 18:18). But if it is a shame for a woman to be shorn (CUT BALD) or shaven (SHAVED BALD, let her be covered (IN LONG HAIR). 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered (IN LONG HAIR), because he is the image and glory of GOD. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man (For man did not originate from woman, but the woman originated from man) 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have authority on her head because of the angels. 11 But neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the LORD. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so the man is also through the woman; but all things of GOD. 13 Judge among yourselves: is it right that a woman pray to GOD uncovered (MEANING NOT COVERED IN LONG HAIR)? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a shame to him? 15 But if a woman should have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16...What Are The Main Points? * They are all the doctrines, teachings, traditions and ordinances from GOD * The man is to not wear a veil or head covering and a woman is to wear a veil or head covering because of the Creation Order and GODS Headship Authority Order or following the proper chain of Command from GOD. * Every man is to pray or prophesy with his head Uncovered or Unveiled in order to Honor our LORD and CHRIST, our HOLY SPIRIT and GOD our Heavenly FATHER. * Every woman is to pray or prophesy with her head Veiled or her head covered in order to Honor GOD and man. * It is Shameful and Dishonorable for every woman to have short hair or shorn or a shaved head and to pray to our LORD and GOD with her head Unveiled or uncovered. * Every man indeed ought not to cover or veil his head whenever he prays, because he is the image and glory of GOD. * Every woman must veil or cover her head, because she is the glory of the man and the woman is of the man or she originally originated from man. * Every woman must wear a veil or covering whenever she prays, because the woman was created for the man. * Every woman ought to have authority on her head by wearing a veil or an artificial head covering as a Symbol or a Sign of a woman being in Submission to GOD’S Authority and man * Every woman must wear a veil or a head covering, Because of the Angels * A woman must wear a veil or head covering because it is her Propriety in Worship * Wearing a veil or head covering is Using Proper Judgment...Judge for yourselves; is it right that a woman pray to GOD unveiled? No! It is Not right for a woman to pray to GOD with her head Unveiled or Uncovered...Period! * Natures Teaching...even Nature itself teaches you that if man has long hair, then it is a Shame to him. So in the same line of reasoning then if a woman has Short Hair then wouldn’t her short hair also be a Shame or Shameful to her? Also did our GOD ever say that medium hair length was acceptable and honorable for a woman? * All women should have Long Hair, because her Long Hair is a glory to her and Long Hair is given to her for A covering (or another head covering). * Every woman is Required to have Two (2) Head Coverings. Long Hair all the time, for this is her natural covering and a Veil or an artificial head covering, Only whenever she Prays to GOD or Prophesies. Whenever a woman is reading the book of Prophecies or rather the Holy Bible, then should her head be Veiled? Should a man have his head covered whenever he reads from the Holy Bible? Something to think about. * The wearing of the required veil or head covering is a commandment from GOD * GOD, the Apostles and all the churches of GOD have no such custom of women praying or prophesying to GOD with their heads Unveiled and they have no such custom of men praying or prophesying to GOD with their heads veiled or covered.
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Just started listening to this during my morning quiet time while I crochet. I've been covering for al.ost 4 years and it has been such a blessing; even though zi have no friends or family who cover. It is NOT a burden to obey God when He tells us to do a simple thing like wearing something over our heads when in public. It is actually freedom. God bless you sisters! 😊
Pnemore thought. I'd hone back and firth on my head for years beforehand over wgether it's tge hair or an additional covering. What stuck out for me that ended my internal argumen was "because of the angels". Wait...WHAT?!?! Welll THAT semt my husband I down a rabbit hole about Genesis. But what happened with me, was; that whatever Paul meant by that (he did no elaborite on it loke he did with literrly every other subject), if the angels have something to do with it, I don't need to comprehend it fully to understand that this truly IS a more seriois isdue than we can even fathom.
Same here... I have no one in my family or friends who cover. Wish we were closer and could encourage one another.
@jdstoltz1657 yeah...I pray that we each find our "tribes"
Another thing: I noticed that my white hair (I was well on my way to fully white hair) has begun to revert back to it's natural colr, has grown its firmer strength back and breaks and splits less since covering, and I stopped being tormented by horrible demoic night mares (something I suffered since furst coming to the Lord in my esrly teens), as soon as I said yes to God about covering. I feel so spiritually protected, it's amazing! My husband was on board the first time I said I wanted to be covered he didn't csre what the covering looked like or whether I co ered full time or just out in public. Yet; it wasn't something we ever really discussed in depth. I realised later thst he had thrown little hints here and there that I hadn't picked up on. IlI WILL let a clie family member to see me imvovrred i they are visiting for an overnight dtay, only because I fon't blow dry my hair and let it dry freely. But I make sure my husband is always at home whenever I shower with another person in the house anyway. That's one issue I kind of struggled eith at furst...whether or not to let only vlose friends and relatives see me wighout a head covering onside the home. I think it's ok to allow for common sense circumstances like that, especially with close loved ones who knew is before we started covering.
God bless you. I have always been a fan of hats, when I’m not wearing a hat I wear a scarf! I’m 70 years old now and still wearing my scarfs and hats!
1 Corinthians 11:1-16
Be imitators of me, even as I also am of CHRIST. 2 But I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and you keep the doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered (veiled) dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head (or brings shame to her head); for that is even the same as if she were shaved (In fact, she may as well shave her head). 6 For if the woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn. But if it is a shame (or disgrace) for a woman to be shorn or shaven (cut her hair or shave her head), let her be veiled. 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of GOD. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man (For man did not originate from woman, but the woman originated from man) 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman (must) ought to have authority on her head because of the angels. 11 But neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the LORD. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so the man is also through the woman; but all things of GOD. 13 Judge among yourselves: is it right that a woman pray to GOD unveiled? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a shame to him? 15 But if a woman should have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 This is how things are done in all of GOD’S churches, and that is why none of you should argue about what I have said.
Loved this!
Renée your testimony could have my name on it!
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Thank you for sharing. I really enjoyed listening ❤
Some people mock and reject women for covering. I've experienced that from family, friends, and in the workplace. I believe people's resistance is not about the covering, per se, it's an observable statement that God has standards that are in contrast to what's popular with pop culture and God require our allegiance to Him.
Think this topic goes both ways. If you are born within a family that wears a hat or a veil they are pressured into wearing them because they think they are following some kind of Godly ordinance but in fact are following someone's misinterpretation. The real issue isn't about whether people are against a godly requirement but if that there never was one to begin with. The verses in question are referring to long hair which covers the head not an artificial covering. A doctrine requires scriptures and if the scriptures refer to hair over and over in 1 Cor 11 and there are no words to prove an artificial covering then it stands to reason that there was a misinterpretation.
Praise God! This was a beautiful blessing to listen to 🙏❤️ much love from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️🙏
Glory to Jesus , We are to cover our head in public worship.
The Lord told me to do this at the age of 12 when i knew nothing about the Word and i obeyed.
Glory to Jesus. women do not need to cover their head in public worship (it is not mentioned btw)
The Lord told you no such thing.as the scriptures only refer to long hair as a covering not an artificial one.
A doctrine requires scripture so you just follow what you hear and that's that?
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Got me teary eyed in Idaho
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
Thank you for this video I enjoy listening to the talks. I’m not anabaptist but wish to learn more. I struggle with head coverings and have done so on and off for yrs now. I am feeling that I need to be covered so this has come at a great time. Any and all info on this subject and modesty are appreciated.
Also how do I get informed about live talks if I wish to participate.
If you contact strength to strength on their website, they can send you the link to groups to be on to hear of the next talk
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
1 thing im stuck on is why do you believe women are to cover always if men are allowed to wear hats? what if a man is wearing a hard hat at a construction job and wants to pray? or its winter and he is out with his family and wants to be silently praying out in a snowstorm with a hat on? if women are expected to always be covered are men expected to never have a hat on?
Good point
it also applies to women with long hair- whats the need of long hair if nobody can see it and it’s covered all the time
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
They should take it off, when praying.
@@Anna-q2t3v They should not misinterpret scripture as long as their hair is short that all is what Paul was referring to.
Several comments and honest questions that I'd really appreciate an answer to... not sure if these comments are read by S2S Sisters or Renee (the speaker in this video) or not. For context - I am a headcovering Believer of anabaptist persuasion that covers from getting dressed in AM till bedtime. And yes I have real convictions to this end - hasn't been just habitual etc.
1. Curious why Renee is so opposed (comes out even more in the linked audio which I also listened to) to 'teaching' on headcovering? I'm puzzled why that is a problem since in both this video and in the audio - the intended audience is to be just other women. What am I missing as to why she feels so strongly about that? It almost comes across as this is just something she does (headcovering) for herself - and wants to not tell other Christian women it's for them too.... Which would again puzzle me.
2. And... do we all really believe that if your husband doesn't feel it's for today or necessary or whatever reason he may give to not be on board with the practice - then we as his wife shouldn't practice this biblical command. Really? I just really struggle with that conclusion. Submission order - yes! But... are we called to believe and practice the same things are husbands do in the name of submission? That gets pretty tricky! Essentially, he would be in 'unbelief' in this area... and we're to join in that? Again - I'm struggling to conclude that.
3. And 1 more - just a comment by way of info..... Many conclude that headcovering was just for the Corinthians in part because they interpret the introduction in Chapter 1 to the Book of Corinthians differently. they would see the phrase 'together with all the saints' as just a descriptive phrase of the Corinthians... that they are part of the saints. As well as being holy and sanctified as also descriptives of them stated in that verse. So, if we'd like to use that intro sentence proof that I Cor. was written for all people in all time - we'd need to speak to that understanding of the sentence structure a bit . :). It gets sticky for sure. So so many reasons against it out there.
Thanks for any input that you can give!
I am not affiliated with S2S but thought I'd just give my opinion...
1) Perhaps this is just her level of comfort, and she feels very convicted about not teaching because that is reserved for men? Our personalities are all different as well as what we are comfortable with. For example, I would have had no problem calling out "lace doilies" as being insufficient as a head covering (though I would have to pray for humility to find the right words to do so), but she was not comfortable with doing that. I do understand how it can almost feel puzzling to hear people not wanting to be specific, because I think is necessary at times, as well as older women being called to teach younger women, yet doing so online can be a bit tricky. Any thoughts?
2) I was a bit surprised by this as well, but that doesn't mean it was wrong in her situation. As you said it is tricky. We should all seek God for guidance and older women in our lives if anyone is in that situation and do so with a gentle spirit. She did make a good point in that we could become prideful about it.
3) I never even thought at all about the intro, because I never thought it was needed as "proof"
Thanks! I was incredibly blessed by this talk and found Renee's enthusiasm to be infectious and beautiful to see!
@@janeEyreAddict thanks for sharing your thoughts. As to the 'teaching'... it seemed she was opposed to teaching on head covering period... but maybe she was just opposed to teaching specifics about it. That part I could understand... but it didn't come thru quite that way unless I missed something... and I surely could have! Usually doing other things while I listen :)
@@quiltednestvintage6347 Agreed! It's a very vulnerable thing to be online like that!
Paul , the Apostle taught on that.But he also taught that we do not argue about it. And he said, if one does not understand , let him not understand. It's should not be the topic of passionate persuasion . I see it as an Apostolic tradition that should be followed. But How it should be followed - it's up to our consciousness
David Bercot also taught that it is really hard to be alone without Anabaptist church around. That was one of the reasons we moved to Ohio , because in the state we used to live were barely any Anabaptists
Hello! I'm encouraged by this! And happily surprised that I have learned new things and aspects! Praise the Lord!
I've struggled with knowing what to do with my hair whilst swimming, I'd appreciate what Scripture-based advice can be shared! Please!
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16 Requires Two Head Coverings for the woman.
The Katakalupto = Veil or Temporary or Artificial Head Covering when Praying Or Prophesying, and the Peribolaion = Permanent Long Hair Covering to be worn at All Times. Why is that so hard to understand? Verses 13-15 are basically the same arguments in Verse 5 and Verse 6; it is a Consistency Argument: The fact that a woman is permanently covered by Nature = with the Long Hair, should help us to see the Propriety of the woman veiling or Covering herself with a Veil or an Artificial Head Covering whenever she Prays Or Prophesying. Outside of 1st Corinthians chapter 11 in the Holy Bible, Kalupto refers to a Fabric Covering Over 80 Times; and Not Once does it ever refer to a Covering of Long Hair. Katakaluptō= Veiled/Covered/Cover = Verses: 6 & 7 and Akatakaluptos = Unveiled/Uncovered = Verses 5 & 13
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Every woman is Required to have Two Head Coverings.
One:
Long Hair all the time, for this is her natural covering and
Two:
A Veil or an artificial head covering.
A woman Only needs to Wear a Veil or artificial head covering whenever she Prays to GOD or Prophesies. If a woman is not Praying to GOD, then she does Not need to wear a Veil. How often are we to pray? Pray Without Ceasing as per 1 Thessalonians 5:17.
Whenever a woman is reading the book of Prophecies or rather the Holy Bible, then should her head be Veiled? Should a man have his head covered whenever he reads from the Holy Bible? This is something to think about.
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Women Must Wear A Veil Whenever They Pray To GOD Because Of:
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Creation Order and Headship...GOD our FATHER is the head CHRIST; CHRIST is the head of man; and man is the head of woman. It is following the Proper Chain Of Command
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Because of the Angels
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It was and still is Church Practice in All the Churches of GOD
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It is a womans Symbol of her Submission to GOD and mans Authority or a Symbol Of Authority or a Symbol of Submission and being Submissive to GOD and man. The Veil is a Removable Head Covering. The Veil or Artificial Head Covering is Symbolizing a womans Submission to Authority...She is Under GOD and mans Authority
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It is Propriety in Worship
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It is a Commandment from GOD
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It is Dishonorable, Shameful, Disgraceful, Disrespectful and Disobedient for a woman Not to wear a Veil whenever she prays to GOD or Prophesying
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Women Ought To or Must Cover (verse 10) their Head with a Veil or an Artificial Head Covering whenever they Pray to GOD or Prophesying (does reading the Prophesied Holy Scriptures count as reading Prophesy? If it does, then a woman should Veil her head whenever she reads the Holy Bible to just be safe then sorry later on). How often are we to pray? Pray Without Ceasing as per 1 Thessalonians 5:17...How often should a woman Veil her head? Whenever she Prays Without Ceasing or should a woman Veil Without Ceasing? Think about it and dwell on this for a while.
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Nature also teaches that women should Always have Long Hair. Wear does GOD ever say that medium hair length, shaved hair or cut short hair is okay for a woman to have? GOD says that women are to have Long Hair. A womans Long Hair = her Glory and it is her Permanent Head Covering and it is Glorious.
This topic is important. Please also add the Romanian subtitles.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
Very interesting video! Thank you. I have wondered if I should wear a head covering. How do we know how much of the head should be covered? I see your whole head isn't covered and I've seen Mennonites' head covering and they only have partly - covered heads.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
Can you add romanian subtitle??
I am really curious about something Renee said in the video about her husband expecting her to be quiet in church… this seems to me a very extreme view and stance you would take in interpreting Paul’s address to women. If that were to be the way Paul meant it, does that also mean you would not sing or converse with others during the church gathering?
I think we need to be so careful that we don’t put ourselves in bondage is such a way where the world looks on and wants nothing to do with our so called “freedom” in Christ.
Hi Lisa, this is a great question! I was wondering the same thing. I can’t answer for Renee, but as a conservative head-covering Anabaptist myself, I can at least say that this view is uncommon among us. We would be very hesitant to take one passage like 1 Cor 14:34-35 and let it nullify other passages like Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 which instruct all Christians to participate in public worship. Many of us would also be open to women praying or prophesying in a mixed church gathering (not that much “prophesying” usually happens in our circles at all). In my circles, in the off chance that we have a mixed prayer meeting, women are often welcome to pray. Many of us don't see an indication in the head covering passage that “praying or prophesying” is a strictly private affair for either men or women.
Taken the whole context, we’d probably see 1 Cor 14:34 as pertaining specifically to publicly questioning a man’s teaching (hence the instruction to ask husbands at home instead) and making public judgement on someone else’s prophecy, as indicated by the verses immediately preceding (esp. 1 Cor 14:29).
I appreciate your reply, thank you! I’m glad to hear that you have a more balanced view of what Paul is saying here.
Paul wrote that in a time and place where drunk women were wandering in from the next door temple to Dionysus & disrupting while he was preaching
@@ApocalypseChill That’s an interesting story but I’m not aware of any historical sources for such a claim. Also, it would be strange for Paul to tell these women to ask their husbands questions about church at home, since the husbands of such women probably wouldn’t be present or know the first thing about Christian doctrine.
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
So the main argument is from the early Church. If that is the case they why not infant baptism?
If your hair is to be covered, than why is some of your hair showing. If what you are sharing is true, shouldn't all your hair be covered?
Head* not hair. ❤
I would like to add my two cents here after reading this discussion. First of all I believe we should follow the teaching in 1st Corinthians 11. The main problem here is the misunderstanding of 1st Corinthians 11 altogether. I also have made an intense study of this passage, and the obvious conclusion is that Paul was referring to long hair being the covering.
The first thing one should take notice is the lack of wording required to conclude that a veil is being referred to here. The word veil or cloth is not in the text if we read from the King James version. If you read from the “modern” versions then you might get that view but not from the Textus Receptus.
I would like for you to reread the verses that allegedly refer to a veil which is 4-7 and 13. In those verses we read the words, cover, uncovered and not covered. According to scholars these are used as adverbs. Like if you were to say I am going to cover my feet. No one should be thinking of a veil just the action of being covered. What is missing in these verses are nouns that would prove the idea of veils. Since we should not be assuming anything we should be asking the question what is the thing that a woman should be covered WITH based on the passage ALONE? So if you do the math you would find that Paul refers to hair directly 3 times and then indirectly 4 times with the words shorn and shaven. So if there is no noun for the word veil or cloth yet there are 7 instances of idea of hair, then what are we to conclude? That Paul is referring to hair whether it be short or long.
But the counterargument would be that Paul is allegedly telling women to put something on. But that is not exactly true it says a woman should be covered, but he is referring to long hair based on the surrounding verses. But what about that a woman ought to be covered when praying or prophesying? The assumption is a that Paul was referring to only two instances which is not true he was merely giving us two examples. This also applies to men about being uncovered. Evidence of this is written in the forgoing verses. Paul writes that men ought not to cover because he is the image and glory of God. And then Paul goes into how woman was made for man and is the glory of the man. So it would seem that man shouldn’t be covered at any time if he is the glory and image of God. Paul also mentions that the mere observation of a praying woman should make us note how uncomely (unappealing in appearance) for a woman to be uncovered. Paul states this in a way that it should be obvious to anyone that she looks off in verse 13. He does this again in verse 14 about how shameful it looks if a man has long hair. He says it this way…
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? KJV
So this judgement that we should make is exclusively based on observation of an “uncovered” woman as well as a long haired man. Two consecutive questions both appealing to something innate or within us. Paul is in essence saying that it should be obvious to see that something is wrong or off.
So how is it that for the women we are somehow to know within us that a woman would be unappealing in appearance without a manufactured veil? That does not seem logical especially since the word veil is never mentioned. Unless that is not what Paul is meaning but rather that if the woman was not covered in long hair (meaning her hair is short) doing something holy or godly LIKE praying or prophesying. I think most people can relate that looking at a woman with short hair does have an unappealing appearance. It naturally provokes head turns. And if there was any question Paul flat out states what he was talking about in verse 15.
So the facts are that there no nouns to use as evidence of a veil. There is evidence that Paul was using praying and prophesying as examples. Paul appeals to nature and something innate within us to judge that being uncovered or covered (meaning having short hair or long hair) should be obvious to all. So this cannot make sense with a manufactured veil.
Scripture says to cover your head, emphasis on the head. It's also about head-ship, order, respect, who you honour or dishonour .
God bless
@@Anna-q2t3v Yeah it says to cover the head but with what? It doesn't say a cloth now does it? Paul was meaning that a woman ought to cover her head with long hair.
If Paul would have been referring to hair, he would never have mentioned it in the first place because what woman doesn’t have hair? Thank you for this! I love it
1 Corinthians 11:15
Her hair is given to her for a covering.
And the 16th verse: " if anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice and neither does the church of God."
@helenunrau6468 Paul is saying that he and the church are NOT contentious, and that is not their way.
Maria you are right. Thank you for stating something that everyone here should realize as truth instead of focusing on artificial coverings that the Bible never endorses.
Look at the original greek/Latin. Different words are used throughout for covering in the context of this teaching by Paul.
@@SaloomsOdendaal “Those who promote a cloth veil as a covering try to use the fact that this word perbolaiou is different than the word katakalupto to prove that it is talking about a “second covering” - the long hair being the first, katakalupto, and the veil being the second, perbolaiou. But, katakalupto is not a noun, and does not mean what veil-promoters say it does. It shows a state of being, and is used as an adverb, say the scholars. Therefore, there are not two nouns - that is, two distinct coverings - being discussed. Rather, a state of being, or condition, is discussed: the man’s head is in a state or condition of being “not hanging-down, covered”, while the woman’s head is in a state of being “hanging-down, covered”. Her hair is given her for a “throw-around”. In other words, the hanging-down hair serves as a throw-around for her head - she is covered, and meets the condition first put forth: that she pray or prophesy with her long hair hanging down on her head. Since it is a shame for a man to have long hair, he is to pray to God with his head “not hanging-down, covered” -- ouk katakaluptesthai.” (Written by Bernie Parsons)
You can curse your head while wearing one too can’t you?
a 2 hour video on headcovering when every 10 seconds someone passes away and most of them are going to hell. this is a neurotic waste of time, I'll be out doing and focusing on what Jesus told us to do. this is some "sleeping church" behavior
@Apocalypsechill. And yet you are here watching for two hours instead of doing out reach 🤔
Actually, anyone can see the total length of this video without watching it.
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You should have seen the comment where someone was giving advice to a woman WORRIED about not wearing a head covering in the shower.
Neurotic is accurate.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16
Be imitators of me, even as I also am of CHRIST. 2 But I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and you keep the doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered (veiled) dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head (or brings shame to her head); for that is even the same as if she were shaved (In fact, she may as well shave her head). 6 For if the woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn. But if it is a shame (or disgrace) for a woman to be shorn or shaven (cut her hair or shave her head), let her be veiled. 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of GOD. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man (For man did not originate from woman, but the woman originated from man) 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman (must) ought to have authority on her head because of the angels. 11 But neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the LORD. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so the man is also through the woman; but all things of GOD. 13 Judge among yourselves: is it right that a woman pray to GOD unveiled? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a shame to him? 15 But if a woman should have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 This is how things are done in all of GOD’S churches, and that is why none of you should argue about what I have said.
GOD'S Plan For Our Salvation...(Short/Condensed Version)
The Holy Bible definitely teaches that there are steps that a person must take in order to be Saved and to come to CHRIST.
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We Must Hear the Gospel of CHRIST, for Faith comes by Hearing the Word of GOD (Romans 10:17).
A person must Hear. The fact that we have sinned, GOD loves us, and CHRIST died for us is learned when the gospel is preached. In Every case of conversion found in the book of Acts, people first had to Hear...Romans 10:17, John 5:24, Acts 2:37, Acts 8:6, Acts 8:35; Acts 9:6, Acts 10:33, Acts 16:14, Acts 16:32, and Acts 19:5. As we Hear we learn that we have sinned...Romans 3:23, that GOD loves us...John 3:16, and that CHRIST died for us...Romans 5:8. Without Hearing the Gospel Of CHRIST, we Cannot come to CHRIST...John 6:44-45.
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Upon Hearing GOD'S Word, we must Believe...Mark 16:16, John 6:47. We Must All Believe in CHRIST, for Without Faith it is Impossible to Please GOD (Hebrews 11:6; John 8:24). This is another way of saying we must have Faith. Our SAVIOUR in John 8:24 said, if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins. Some denominations teach that a person is saved the moment he or she believes, but that is Not true. If that was true, then why was king Agrippa just almost a Christian? He believed...Acts 26:27-28. Why aren’t the devils saved? They believe...James 2:19. No, it takes More than just Believing and Faith only to be saved...James 2:24.
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A person must also Repent...Acts 2:38. We Must Repent of all of our past sins, for GOD Commands all men, every- where to Repent (Acts 17:30-31; Luke 13:3-5). Our LORD taught that Repentance was absolutely Necessary in Luke 13:3 and 5 or else we will perish. That is why Saint Peter commanded people in Acts chapter 2 to Repent. Repentance is a Turning...a Turning From Sin and Turning to GOD.
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If, upon Hearing and Believing GOD'S Word, and we are willing to Repent, then we all Must then Confess that our MESSIAH and CHRIST is the Only Begotten SON of GOD...Matthew 10:32, Matthew 16:16; Acts 8:37. Confession is made with the mouth unto (in the direction of) salvation as stated in Romans 10:9-10. Again, We All Must Confess our Faith in CHRIST JESUS as the Only Begotten SON of the Living GOD and our LORD (Romans 10:9-10). For HE said, He that Confesses ME before men, him will I also Confess before MY FATHER who is in Heaven (Matthew 10:32). Confession of our sins (1 John 1:7-9)
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After Confessing CHRIST to be the SON of GOD, then we all Must be Baptized...Acts 2:38, Galatians 3:27. Baptism is the another step that helps to save us...1 Peter 3:21, because Baptism in the Holy Bible is for (in order to have) the Remission (Forgiveness) of our sins...Acts 2:38. Let our salvation be patterned after those we read about in the book of Acts! Again, We Must All be Baptized into CHRIST for the Remission of Sins, for saint Peter said, Repent, and be Baptized everyone of you in the Name of YESHUA CHRIST for the Remission of your sins (Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16).
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Now these first several Steps (Hearing, Believing, Repenting, Confessing and being Baptized) are only for Qualifying for the Race and now We All Must actually Run the Race that is set before us all...1 Corinthians 9:24-27, Galatians 2:2, Galatians 5:7, Philippians 2:16, Philippians 3:14, Hebrews 12:1-2, 2 Timothy 4:7, 2 Timothy 4:8.
Running the Race is actually the very difficult part after becoming a christian or disciple of CHRIST.
You know that in a Race all the runners Run, but only one gets the prize. So Run to Win! All those who compete in the games use self-control so they can win a crown. That crown is an earthly thing that lasts only a short time, but our crown will never be destroyed. So I do not Run without a goal. I fight like a boxer who is hitting something-not just the air. I treat my body hard and make it my slave so that I myself will not be disqualified after I have preached to others.
Let us Run the Race that is before us and never give up. We should remove from our lives anything that would get in the way and the sin that so easily holds us back and entangles us, and let us Run with endurance the Race that is set before us.
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After Baptism, then We all must Live a faithful godly Life in CHRIST and Live a Faithful Life for CHRIST. We all need to walk in our CHRIST’S Light...Revelation 2:10, 1 John 1:7. We also need to be CHRIST like in all we say and do, and in CHRIST church we must worship GOD in spirit and truth, partake of the LORD'S Supper every first day of the week, Praise and Glorify HIM and be a Servant and a Disciple of CHRIST. One must Live Faithfully as a disciple of CHRIST, Live for CHRIST and stay faithful to GOD...We Must Have Love For GOD and Everyone. We are all Blessed If we keep and do our GODS commandments...Revelation 22:13-14. We must encourage and edify others to stay faithful and fight the good fight faith until the end of our earthly lives. We must rightly divide the words of GOD and put them into practice what GOD teaches us from the words of life. We must also test the spirits of mankind in order to see if they really are from GOD or if they are from the evil one. We are saved by continuing in true righteous obedience to our only GOD, for this is showing that we truly Love our GOD if we obey HIM and keep HIS commandments...Revelation 2:10
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Faith alone without works will not save us, for our GOD said faith without works is dead as per James 2:14-26.
There is no such thing as once saved always saved, because anyone can fall from GOD’S Grace and be eternally lost.
Once Saved Always Saved is False Teaching and False Doctrine and it is Only Wishful Thinking. We all should be willing to Suffer like and for CHRIST.
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A woman cannot speak or teach men in church meetings or church assemblies or congregational church service meetings as per 1 Corinthians 14:33-37 and 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Women must remain or be Silent in the churches of our LORD and GOD. A man must not wear a head covering or a veil whenever he prays to GOD and a woman must wear a veil or head covering whenever she prays to GOD as per 1 Corinthians 11:1-16.
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Our GOD is Composed of Three Spiritual Divine Beings...our Heavenly FATHER, HIS Only Begotten SON and our LORD and MESSIAH and CHRIST, and our HOLY SPIRIT. They All make up One GOD in Unified Oneness or One in Unity, One in Purpose, One in the Way, One in the Complete Truth, One in Patience, One in Meekness, One in Everlasting, One in Justice, One in Righteousness, One in Mercy or Mercifulness, One in Holiness, One in Hope, One in Perfect/Perfection, One in Harmony, One in Love, Etc.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16 1 Be imitators of me, as I also imitate CHRIST. 2 I commend (or praise) you brothers because you always remember me and you keep the Ordinances, Teachings, Traditions and Doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to understand and know that the head of every man is CHRIST and the man is the head of the woman, and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man Praying or Prophesying with something on his Head Covered (or Veiled), then he Dishonors his Head. 5 But every woman who Prays or Prophesies with her Head Unveiled (or Uncovered = Akatakaluptos) Dishonors her Head; for that is one and same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman will not Veil (or Cover = Katakalupto) her head, then she should cut off her hair or be Shorn; but if it is Disgraceful and Shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved or shorn, then let her wear a Veil (or be Covered = Katakalupto). 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head Covered (or Veiled = Katakalupto), because he is the Image and Glory of GOD. But the woman is the Glory of the man. 8 For the man was Not made from the woman, but the woman was made from the man. 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman Ought (or Must) have a (Veil on her head) or Symbol of Subjection or Sign of Authority on her Head Because of the Angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the LORD woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman And all things are from GOD. 13 Judge for Yourselves: is it right or proper for a woman to Pray to GOD with her head Un-Veiled or Uncovered = Akatakaluptos? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a Shame or Disgrace to him? 15 but if a woman has Long Hair it is her Glory (opposite of Shame), Because her (Long Hair) was given to her for A Covering (or Peribolaion)? 16 Some people may still want to Argue and be Contentious about this. But we and the Churches of GOD do Not Accept or Recognize what those people are practicing and doing and this is how things are Done in All of GODS Churches, and that is why None of you should Argue About what I have said.
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A Woman Must Wear A Veil Whenever She Prays To GOD Because Of:
The Creation Order and Headship Authority Order or following proper chain of Command, Because of the Angels, Natures Teaching, and it was and it should always still be the Church Practice today in All the Churches of GOD. It is a womans Symbol of being in Submission to GOD and man, it is her Propriety in Worship, it is Using Proper Judgment, it is a Commandment from GOD, and it is because women are the Glory of man, and it is still Apostolic Teaching today as per 1 Corinthians chapter 11 verse 16.
There is No Biblical Doctrine as Potentially Dangerous as a Partial Truth Implemented As Whole Truth! The Veil Head Covering was Never based on Culture Practices of the Corinthians, or their Lifestyle or Beliefs, Traditions of men, Miracles, spiritual gifts, Customs of the day, Prostitutes, Society, Etc. It is Time to Repent and to start obeying our GOD, for the day of Repenting is now and the Kingdom of GOD is at hand. We need to stop ignoring HIS Word
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The Veil/Head Covering should be basic Christianity 101 and it should have been taught right from the beginning, even before we became a Christian, since communication with GOD is Extremely Important. How can we pray to GOD, if we are praying in a dishonorable, disobedient and disrespectful way? Do we think that GOD will listen and answer our shameful prayers? Something to think about before we go and kneel in prayer before our Creator and our Wonderful Loving Almighty GOD, SAVIOUR and HOLY SPIRIT. These are GODS Laws and Commands and they are not mine.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16...What Are The REAL Main Points?
* They are all the doctrines, teachings, traditions and ordinances from GOD
* The man is to not to cover his HEAD WITH LONG HAIR (Paul never mentions a veil or an artificial head covering) and a woman is to cover her HEAD WITH LONG HAIR (Paul never mentions a veil or an artificial head covering) because of the Creation Order and GODS Headship Authority Order or following the proper chain of Command from GOD.
* Every man is to pray or prophesy with his head Uncovered (meaning not covered in long hair) in order to Honor our LORD and CHRIST, our HOLY SPIRIT and GOD our Heavenly FATHER.
* Every woman is to pray or prophesy with her head covered (meaning in long hair) in order to Honor GOD and man.
* It is Shameful and Dishonorable for every woman to have her head NOT COVERED IN LONG HAIR meaning short hair and to pray to our LORD and GOD with her head covered in long hair.
* Every man indeed ought not to cover his head in long hair whenever he prays, because he is the image and glory of GOD.
* Every woman must cover her head with long hair, because she is the glory of the man and the woman is of the man or she originally originated from man.
* Women DO NOT NEED to wear a veil or covering whenever she prays, because the woman was created for the man, she simply needs to keep her hair long which obviously covers the head. The whole idea of creationism should logically be understood that the “covering” had to be something NATURAL that had to have existed since then NOT a manufactured veil that would be illogical.
* Every woman ought to have authority on her head because verse 8 and 9 state that she was man from man and for man. Verse 10 is referring to the fact that her authority is MAN, it makes no mention of a veil. The King James never mentions the word symbol but unfortunately some translations have wrongly added this word and therefore have made some believe that a hat or veil is a symbol. That is why it says “For this cause…” (referring to verse 8 and 9) as to the reason why a woman should have authority, referring to MAN being her authority. That makes much more sense than the idea of a hat or veil.
* Every woman should keep her hair long (aka head covered) because of the Angels since they are witnesses.
* A woman should keep her hair long all the time not just during certain moments note that not even other translations use the word worship those who claim that a veil or head covering is necessary because it is her Propriety in Worship have added worship into the conversation because they have interpreted prayer and prophesying as an exclusive worship moment. If Paul meant worship he could have easily said that but he didn’t yet hair covering enthusiasts have added the word worship when there is no word for that in the passage.
* Wearing a veil or head covering is NOT using Proper Judgment. It is the misinterpretation of man. Think about it. If the Bible says “Judge for yourselves; is it right that a woman prays to GOD uncovered? Then Paul is claiming that by the mere observation WE SHOULD ALL somehow know within us (as if it were innate) that it would LOOK wrong for a woman to be uncovered. Does Paul really think that if we were to observe a woman praying without a hat or veil that somehow we are to know she should have a manmade hat or veil on her head? No. Paul was saying that if a woman prays with her head NOT COVERED in long hair (meaning it is short) it should be OBVIOUS to ALL that something doesn’t look right. Just like it would look wrong if a man would have long hair. Both verses 13 and 14 are referring to hair one being short (uncovered) and the other being long. It is obvious that Paul was NOT referring to a hat because then the story would not make sense.
Therefore, Paul was taking about hair all this time ...Period!
* Natures Teaching...even Nature itself teaches you that if man has long hair, then it is a Shame to him. So in the same line of reasoning then if a woman has Short Hair (aka uncovered) then wouldn’t her short hair also be a Shame or Shameful to her? Keep in mind if we are going to use NATURE as our standard then how can we be talking about something UNNATURAL like a manmade, artificial hat or veil? That would be absurd!
* It is true that all women should have Long Hair, because her Long Hair is a glory to her and Long Hair is given to her for a covering by God it NEVER says anything about “another” head covering. That is a lie that the enemy tries to use to confuse God’s people.
* Women are NOT Required to have Two (2) Head Coverings. The scriptures only refer to one head covering and that is her natural hair as so stated in verse 15. Again when Paul refers to prayer or prophesying Paul was making the point of using two EXAMPLES that it would look wrong if a woman is going about doing anything holy or godly with SHORT HAIR or as Paul refers to as being uncovered.
* The wearing of the required veil or head covering is NOT a commandment from GOD. Unfortunately, it is a grave misinterpretation made by man. Thankfully, most believers have not fallen victim to this lie and live wonderful Spirit filled lives without having to think that a hat or veil is somehow something required. If a hat or veil was really necessary for a woman to use for prayer don’t you think that Jesus would have mentioned that during his preaching on prayer? Something to think about.
* GOD, the Apostles and all the churches of God IN THE BIBLE have no such custom of women praying or prophesying to GOD with their heads covered with a hat or veil. Only OUTSIDE the Bible have some churches taken this misinterpreted idea and raised it to the level of almost a sin if not that if a woman does not wear one. God bless.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16
Be imitators of me, even as I also am of CHRIST. 2 But I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and you keep the doctrines as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of CHRIST is GOD. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered (IN LONG HAIR) dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered (NOT COVERED IN LONG HAIR ergo SHORT) dishonors her head; for that is even the same as if she were shaved (BECAUSE THE COMPARISON IS THAT A SHORT HAIRED WOMAN LOOKS LIKE A SHAVED HEAD). 6 For if the woman is not covered (IN LONG HAIR), let her also be shorn (CUT BALD, the same word used in Acts 18:18). But if it is a shame for a woman to be shorn (CUT BALD) or shaven (SHAVED BALD, let her be covered (IN LONG HAIR). 7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered (IN LONG HAIR), because he is the image and glory of GOD. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man (For man did not originate from woman, but the woman originated from man) 9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have authority on her head because of the angels. 11 But neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the LORD. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so the man is also through the woman; but all things of GOD. 13 Judge among yourselves: is it right that a woman pray to GOD uncovered (MEANING NOT COVERED IN LONG HAIR)? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a shame to him? 15 But if a woman should have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
1 Corinthians 11:1-16...What Are The Main Points?
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They are all the doctrines, teachings, traditions and ordinances from GOD
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The man is to not wear a veil or head covering and a woman is to wear a veil or head covering because of the Creation Order and GODS Headship Authority Order or following the proper chain of Command from GOD.
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Every man is to pray or prophesy with his head Uncovered or Unveiled in order to Honor our LORD and CHRIST, our HOLY SPIRIT and GOD our Heavenly FATHER.
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Every woman is to pray or prophesy with her head Veiled or her head covered in order to Honor GOD and man.
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It is Shameful and Dishonorable for every woman to have short hair or shorn or a shaved head and to pray to our LORD and GOD with her head Unveiled or uncovered.
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Every man indeed ought not to cover or veil his head whenever he prays, because he is the image and glory of GOD.
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Every woman must veil or cover her head, because she is the glory of the man and the woman is of the man or she originally originated from man.
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Every woman must wear a veil or covering whenever she prays, because the woman was created for the man.
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Every woman ought to have authority on her head by wearing a veil or an artificial head covering as a Symbol or a Sign of a woman being in Submission to GOD’S Authority and man
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Every woman must wear a veil or a head covering, Because of the Angels
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A woman must wear a veil or head covering because it is her Propriety in Worship
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Wearing a veil or head covering is Using Proper Judgment...Judge for yourselves; is it right that a woman pray to GOD unveiled? No! It is Not right for a woman to pray to GOD with her head Unveiled or Uncovered...Period!
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Natures Teaching...even Nature itself teaches you that if man has long hair, then it is a Shame to him. So in the same line of reasoning then if a woman has Short Hair then wouldn’t her short hair also be a Shame or Shameful to her? Also did our GOD ever say that medium hair length was acceptable and honorable for a woman?
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All women should have Long Hair, because her Long Hair is a glory to her and Long Hair is given to her for A covering (or another head covering).
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Every woman is Required to have Two (2) Head Coverings. Long Hair all the time, for this is her natural covering and a Veil or an artificial head covering, Only whenever she Prays to GOD or Prophesies. Whenever a woman is reading the book of Prophecies or rather the Holy Bible, then should her head be Veiled? Should a man have his head covered whenever he reads from the Holy Bible? Something to think about.
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The wearing of the required veil or head covering is a commandment from GOD
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GOD, the Apostles and all the churches of GOD have no such custom of women praying or prophesying to GOD with their heads Unveiled and they have no such custom of men praying or prophesying to GOD with their heads veiled or covered.