We were SCAMMED! (lessons on anchor chain)
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In the past four years we’ve purchased anchor chain for our sailboat twice (and changed it 3 times). Not something any boat owner wants to say.
We only have a few more important boat projects to tackle before we can splash, sail, and live on the hook once again. And when I say important, I mean it. Because aside from making sure we stay afloat, chain and ground tackle is the most important part of living on a boat.
So, today we’re swapping out our crappy, rusty, unreliable chain for hopefully the last time. We’re also sharing the cautionary tale of how we got scammed and what we’ve learned along the way.
WHO ARE WE?
We’re Jason and Nikki Wynn. We been living #OffTheGrid and exploring the world for 10 years.
Our first six years of #travel were an epic road trip around North America.
Now we’re on a #sailing voyage about the world. Did we have any previous sailing experience, of course not!
Neither of us is overly talented, smart, rich, lucky, or retired. But that doesn’t stop us from reaching far-flung destinations, having wild #adventures and managing everything that makes living aboard a moving vessel possible.
We’re two ordinary people that just so happen to live an extraordinary life.
And this is why we publish our lives on the world wide web. We share in hopes of inspiring you to find your adventure.
Timestamps if you like to Jump Around:
00:00 Intro & How We Got Here
01:05 Solar Roasting Our Own Coffee
03:01 New Drone: DJI Mini 2
04:12 Ripped Off - Anchor Chain Story
09:30 Removing Trashed Anchor Chain
13:56 Getting New Anchor Chain
18:27 Rust Control & CleanUp
22:10 End Screen Challenge
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Hey Everyone! After researching chain more and more we found a certification for anchor chain. Could be worth looking into if you aren’t buying the ACCO brand. There’s more details in our blog post: www.gonewiththewynns.com/scammed-anchor-chain
Also, in the video I forgot to mention that all the drone shots are from the Mini 2. I do think it’s a great little drone and perfect for travelers and beginners. Here’s the link if you want to check it out: bit.ly/WYNNmini2
Thanks for watching…and if you’re in the process of buying chain I hope this saved you a couple thousand bucks and a huge headache 😱🙏🏻
- Love from the both of us
Thank you guys 🙏
The Mrs&I love your videos 🥰🥰
Happy Holidays
Cheers 🍻
BB
I wonder if there is some kind of water proofing spray you could also put on the next chain. Lik have you ever seen the video of the guy spraying his brand new expensive shoes with water phobic spray? Then he splats mustard on them and it literally rolls off and nothing happens to the shoes?
I wonder if buying stainless steel chain would be a better solution. Anchor chain and anchors are things I would not try to save money on.
Make sure that you mark the new chain every 20 meters
YOU ALSO NEED TO FIX YOUR ROLLER--ITS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO ROLL UNDER THE CHAIN
The sponsor counter is a nice touch. Actually watched it instead of trying to skip. Oh, bean cooling tip: Transfer the beans to a cold pan. Either room temperature or one from the fridge.
That was the most natural but random and non-forced progression to a sponsor shout out i've ever seen! Did not see that coming from starting with roasting coffee beans haha. 10 points to Griffindor. I applaude your creativity!
Exactly this, i was about the skip the sponsor but you guys kept my interrest
Agreed 100%!!⛵💙⚓ #davesandersstepdaughter
What sponsor?
Seriously I saw nothing!
Cedar vinegar will remove that rust! You also zinc plate it! You tube video! Battery Zink plate couple wires bucket and keep the new chain looking like new for as long as you want!
Joshua Wisseman Is a TH-cam channel chef. He gets big time ads like nobody else I see. He gets the US Navy for goodness. People with 15 million subscribers don’t get the TH-cam adage this guy gets. He gets it for two simple reasons. One he does tremendous marketing like you just did. Two you never hear him whine about “well we’re not being sponsored by this person”. “They didn’t give us this product”. “These people don’t even know who we are”. So stop saying those things!
You got me belly laughing when the drones showed up to cool the beans!
Cooling the beans with drones was hilarious! Did not expect that!
Even when you two encounter a horrible situation you're still putting a huge smile on my face. Love you guys!
In the mid-1980s after 10 years of chain frustration we had reverted to rope rode and 50' foot of chain which we could replace periodically. Low cost but unsatisfactory solution as we had to pull the rode in by hand. A trip to England had a visit to Simpson Lawrence (maker of our hand pumped windlass) which solved our problem. They sold us SL 5/8" stainless steel chain with a matching gypsy which solved our problem for the next 10 years of cruising. The cost was not that shocking as the dollar and pound were upside down at that time making the price sort of affordable. We ended up buying an electric windlass a short time later with the money we saved.
You guys are about the most professional sailing Channel I've seen for regular people. Full of common sense you explain things well and just seem to have an excellent grasp of everything. The chain story, I wish somehow you'd be sponsored by some company that sells chains. You gave a lot of valuable information about that subject.
Masterful depiction of misery with humor! Great coffee, electric bikes and drones for enlivenment! What a saga of rust and decay. Brings back memories and I loved the episode. Fair winds and following seas!
" Helicopters". Can't stop LMAO. Brilliant, you two.
"Chain Story - it's a long one" - I see what you did there ^^
😂😂 missed it first time round 👍🏻
Waiting for Jason’s response: “that what she said” LOL!!
When you went after the chain on those 2 electric bikes, I thought there was no way. Nice job of tackling everything you have so far.
yes, good cup of coffee and the morning with the Wynns, the good life
Absolutely. Lol
Hi!! I've been watching your videos and i love them! I saw that you had some issues with your anchor chain. I finally spoke to my dad who is a boat builder about your chain and he told me something really interesting. The main problem might be with your windlass . If you have current loss from your windlass it may transfer to your chain and make it corrode way faster that it should be. My dad's friend had a chain from a brand named Acco and he had windlass issues and his high quality chain was useless in no time. The current loss might occure if you used grease that contains lithium or other metalic component. These products can create a bridge between the positive or the negative and the windlass housing and because of that, you loose current into the chain.If so, you can use bee wax instead, you melt it and use a brush to apply it and it works just fine to prevent the electrical coponents of your windlass to rust (that is the main reason why people put a lot of grease in their windlass). Otherwise, look for salt or corrosion on the posts. I hope that you are having a great time and i can't wait to see all the adventures that 2020 will be giving you! A special hello and thank you for your work from Quebec!
Elizabeth xoxo
Ps. That was the message i sent you on january 29th 2020 and that you've never replied to. So I am trying again.
I'll be so sad the day Jason grows up into an adult. My chain has a bit of rust and it irritates me, but HOLY COW that is a criminal amount of rusty chain and bits.
When i see that locker looking clean and suprise myself as I verbally say out loud "well done!" .. Like why did I just speak to my screen hahaha
I often clap and talk to TH-cam videos, and then I ask myself the same question it's a video! LMBO
@timcanoeing, Yeah, I said the Same Thing to My-Self Also dude !!
Hi Guys, long time subscriber, but probably my first post! I'm a mechanical engineer / metallurgist by training and not a sailor and I don't have direct experience with chain galvanizing, but do have general steel plating & galvanizing experience. As you correctly point out, the G3 / G4 designations are to do with the tensile strength of the steel in the chain and have nothing to do with the galvanizing quality. The "High Test" and "High Tensile" or "HT" descriptions are also confusing and you do need to look at the actual specification and test sheet and stick to a reputable supplier.
The "quality" and lifespan of the galvanizing is essentially down to the thickness of the coating (how long the chain is in the molten zinc bath, plus some other factors), and how adherent it is to the substrate (mainly down to the cleaning process prior to galvanizing).
The coating is sacrificial, just like the zinc anodes on your boat, so the thicker the coating, the longer the life of the chain.
I couldn't find any international standards specifically relating to the galvanizing of chain, but BS EN ISO 1461 is a general galvanizing standard here in Europe/UK and there are equivalent American ASTM standards (A123 and A153). It would be worth asking the chain manufacturer if their chain complies with these or an equivalent standard. If you get a "glazed look" this may be a warning sign.
You can measure the thickness of the galvanizing (its typically 30 - 80 microns) by either a non-destructive meter (but I'm not sure if these would cope with the small dimensions of chain and won't be cheap) or cut a cross section of a chain link and polish it and look at the surface in a microscope, you can easily measure the coating thickness with the microscope. Any decent metallurgical lab or university engineering lab should be able to do this at not great cost. If it were me, I'd consider paying the $100 or whatever to get the coating thickness independently checked! When I was at university doing my PhD, we'd get these kind of "side-line" jobs all the time, and the fees would go 50:50 to the student and the department - kept us all in beers :)
Good info on the independent testing option for gen-public, thanks. I doubt many people would be aware of that to even consider it, even those of us with a long, related industrial career that included routine use of independent testing labs.
I roast my green beans in an air popcorn machine. Works great, only takes a couple minutes, and it blows the shells off. Then I cool it in on a frozen plate.
You’re such an adorable young couple, I could watch you both clean the boat all day long. It looks exhausting, but you always are in such good cheer. That’s really the way to approach life!
even the mundane becomes a blast with the Wynns, stay safe and well guys xx
After 20 years of cruising we found the High Test process degrades the galvanizing. Regular galvanizing will outlast HT by years.
Now, that's how you do sponsored content.
Also, not gonna lie - super satisfying to watch you both clean and do projects (while I lay in bed doing nothing!). lol
arm chair sailing and drinking coffee over here too.
saaaaaaame
That competition at the end was close, great to see you both having fun, stay safe 😎
You guys make me smile. I always feel encouraged and happy after watching your weekly video. Thank you!!
I nearly spilt my drink...😂 great way to cool down your coffee beans.
Also, thanks for that tip about roasting the coffee, I'm definitely going to try that.
Thank you for doing what you do!!!! You do the video and edit which I know has really slowed down getting everything done. I admire you for doing it. I know everything takes twice as long to film and usually the task doesn't go as planned
I'm happy you folks are on the Earth. There's been worse years in the last 1/2 century, but 2020 has been rotten. Same with so many other channels. It pisses me off you all are so happy and positive, LOL! Thanks guys, it brings in sun-shiny attitudes and brightens the day.
Sunday, Coffee and The Wynn's! Life is good!!!💖⛵☕💖⛵☕
Jason's chain dance around the pallet turned into a rain dance lol
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I have been binge watching your videos since I discovered you guys in my quarantine early October. I love your spirit, attitude, humour and perseverance and am keeping my fingers crossed that you will make it back on the water very soon! Greetings from Germany!
Thanks so much. I made the decision to replace my 250’ of chain and quickly found some great prices on chain from Miami. I ordered and it said they had it in stock. Great! Then they emailed me and said it would not be in for a few months.
At the same time a good friend recalled your video on this subject and we watched it together. Same website. Same graphics and undoubtedly the same crappy chain.
I canceled the order immediately and the only real saving grace was that their out of stock status triggered my friend to look for this video. No penalty for cancelling since it was back ordered.
Now Ive got the ACCO chain ordered and awaiting delivery. You are making a difference!
Yaaaaaay! We love this kind of feedback. Hope you're happy with the new chain!
I loved that pull away shot on the drone while dealing the the anchor. Very nice cinematography!
Only Sailing Channel where a film about boat work ends up being super fun to watch.
Love you and how you do things guys.
Marc from Montreal.
I live in the Champlain islands and it was great not having all the Quebecois sail boats holding up the traffic at the draw bridge last summer. With Chairman Trudeau at the helm we won't see you this summer either. 99.87% survivable
@@genebohannon8820 Personaly I truly enjoy sharing my city (Montreal) with all the tourists who come visit.
I have yet to meet an American I don't like.
Have a nice day. xx
Just finished today's video and now I'm upset again that I have to wait til next Sunday for the next video. It's the vicious cycle we all must deal with. Damn you Wynns and your great content! 😊
So the organization, from a planning standpoint, at which you all’s videos flow and are put together is very pleasing and throughly enjoyable!!! This video was good and thanks for another great window into the adventure!!!
I got to laugh, watching a chain being removed was actually a fun show, must be the since of accomplishment. Great job I wish your videos were an hour long.
It's funny how looking back you realize that things would have been cheaper if you would have just spent the money upfront. But it's done and dusted and it was a teachable moment. It just may have cost you a few extra thousand LOL glad to see you're getting closer and closer to getting back on the water and you're taking your time and enjoying it
Buy once, cry once.
Great to see our Leopard 43 "TimeOut" sitting next to you with fresh antifoul.
Best bit of the video...
Ah, Tonga. Did a week plus kayak trip there. Magical place. In fact, our first night in Neiafu we stayed with a wonderful family in their house just across the water from the boat yard. The next day we launched from there and sailed our two person kayaks to Eeukafa. Simply the best. Seeing your footage brings back many fond memories.
Fresh roasted beans will serve you well for your morning cup of joe! I am happy you got your anchor chain swapped out, I'm sorry the first "galvanized" chain failed so quickly! Hopefully this one will give you many years of service. 👍👍
Great content and detail, beats anything mainstream, very enjoyable and informative 👍
There is a company Tulsa Chain in Tulsa Ok did a show with SV Seeker and talked about this very thing. The guy talked about how to tell if galvanization is good. He said if it is rough and not super smooth then it's not good chain. He said good chain is super smooth. It makes since. You see galvanized metal on old barns still good 50 or 60 years old that don't look even close to that rusty. I realize barn tin isn't in salt water but you guys fresh water rinsed everything extremely well and look at what happened. If you see the two different types side by side you will be able to tell it easily.
Great to see you guys getting ready to cruise, love the scooters drones and the awesome coffee tricks. Be well and have an awesome time.
Pour the hot beans taken out of the microwave onto a cold pan, metal holds heat.
It’s Breville toaster oven
Then they wouldn't have been able to use the drones to cool them, ergo sponsor for vid.....lolol
What a classy channel , you should have ten times the subscribers x
I'm still just happy you are on Curiosity again! Great video, I remember the episode when you got that last chain. It just wasn't that long ago. Thanks for my dose of cheer this weekend!!
Going for coffee now. The Wynn cautionary tales are always entertainment for us, hard work and worries for them. Sacrifices, what are ya gonna do!?! Thx guys
"Chain, chain, chain, chain...chain of fools..."
Ok, got my Sunday update just in time to watch the Masters.
This is my new favorite channel 💓 You guys are lovely, safe travels and many blessings to you both!
Love my Sunday morning routine. Wake up, watch you guys to give a positive spin to my day, all while... sipping coffee!
When roasting the coffee beens, I think it might help transfering them from the hot pan to a new cold one for the cooling part.
Anyway, a great episode 🙂 Love your vids 😊
Unsalted, Unseasoned meat tenderizer in a water based paste, neutralizes bee, wasp, etc sting pain and swelling immediately. Maybe even centipedes and creatures from the oceans as well?
Thanks as always Nikki and Jason. Informative and entertaining. You’re very lucky to have Cal (?) and his wife has friends. They seem like wonderful people. What a great sense of camaraderie and friendship. Priceless!
My wife (who likes wine, I just cook with it) wanted you to know that King Estate wine is outside of Eugene Oregon and it’s delicious! We have watched your videos for years, and even went RVing full time for a few years based on what we saw! Thank you for the adventure! Chris & Judy White from Eugene Oregon.
*been watching for years, this videos music is on point!*
Looks like things are coming along nicely.
The company that sold you the bad chain has a new ring tone “ Chain Of Fools “ and nobody can sing it better than Aretha Franklin. Thank you so very very much for answering me when another sailor ask me for this information about the chain several months ago. You two are a very kind, sweet couple that always seems ready to help someone out. GOD bless ya’ll. Stay safe.
Very pleased to see your progress with a new viewing audience. You videos have always been enjoyable. You both are vert hard working and deserve lots of positive things going forward.
My Sunday routine: wake, brew some coffee, watch the Wynns.
I would take a look at the gypsy where it engages the chain. If that is worn out (spaces too big) it might contribute to the skipping as well.
I use to wire and install hardware on PDQ catamarans for 10 years. Watching this brings back memories. Never ever did sailing which is hard to believe. But ive crawled and worked in soooo many tight spaces i feel for you all.. However, its was always rewarding. Happy sailing.
You guys have incredible patience with all that cleaning. My hat is off to you.
My favorite couple!! Jason please wear safety glasses, losing your eyesight is just not worth it. It happens!
Thank you for all your hard work. We’re all very lucky to have you both.
You should have played “Unchained Melody” as the theme song for this one!
Lol! Or Unchain My Heart!
Beware copyright strikes for background music.
Fleetwood Mac...
"Back on The Chain Gang"
"Working on the chain gang" IMO is better!
Once again thank you for sharing what you’ve learned on your adventure so that hopefully our experience will be better enhanced. Great video !
You two crack me up! I learn something new in every one of your videos from roasting coffee beans to picking out quality chain (and not getting scammed)! Cheers!
You two should of had safety glasses of while messing w/that rusty chain. If one of those medal flakes would of got into your eyes. You would have had to go to doctor & they put this suction cup to your eye & flush water onto the eyeball. Then if that don't work they numb your eye & scrape the medal off of your eyeball.
Not very fun. So PLEASE use safety glasses.
From someone who knows about this kind of stuff, bc husband worked of cars & got rust in his eyes & I had to take him to ER
4 X's. Plus I'm a nurse.
Be safe & happy fixer up to y'all. Good luck,
Chris from Missouri
Spot on woman. Thank you for what you do. I changed out a rusty muffler and had the rust mini flakes fall in my eye. The pain was excruciating . A level 10. The wife is a ER gal as well and I knew most of the girls that work there keeping an "eye" on me giving me proparacaine eye drops. The doc then used a cuetip under a microscope to remove it. Never again.
You should wear glasses when hammering , the rust flies everywhere including your eyes.
It is so meaningful watching you do boat chores each week... it sounds funny to say it, though it's really sincerely true. You two are awesome, and no matter what you are doing it is inspiring and encouraging to watch. That must be so exciting to get a new anchor chain... that other one was such a mess. Cheers to finding and celebrating the wonders of daily life even when they are long ones filled with chores. Oh and we are definitely going to be getting a Mini 2 drone... sometime soon-ish... hopefully! :-)
As a marine engineer my best friend is copper coat grease. (Grease mixed with copper)
I never see it used, it has saved me so much grief. Over the years
Simply coat any steel parts that will fuse together due to oxidation (rust), or salt water fusion like threads shaft splines , swivels etc
If that swivel pin that Jason was fighting to free up was originally coated with copper - coat it wouldn’t have fused together.
Is just a tip, that’s all..
You could also have the new chain smoking in a bath of oil when stared in the chain locker each time. That will give it extended life. Just use vegetable oil and that’s fine for the sea. Or you can get fish oil and again natural and will breakdown in the sea as well as keeping the chain rust free
“Guess what day it is today”
“Sunday”
“No, it’s Wynnsday - let’s watch!”
Just love your positive and teamwork approach! ❤️🇨🇦❤️
Ok the drone promo intro was very creative. Nice work. Clever.
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when hammering the chain.
Or when having flaky chain spilling out over your head! My eyeballs were shivering.
I was thinking gloves might be a good idea too.
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when your making rosted coffee
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when you drive your car because of broken glass
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when your cook your meal
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when you change your batterie from your remote control
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when you use your micro wave
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when you watch TV because it can explode
Maybe you could wear EYE PROTECTION when you're swimming because of sands
ETC ETC ETC................
@@requin13 I've literally seen someone lose their eye doing the same thing. Calm your t!ts crackhead, it's good advice.
@@KtP370 no you haven't.
A friend roasts coffee each morning in a hot air popcorn popper. He makes great coffee and the roasting is quick and easy. (P. S. Thanks for the great video.)
As covid lockdowns continue, I look forward more and more to your wonderful vids. Thanks so much for all the fun once again. Don't know how you manage to do all the necessary work to get the boat back in the water, plus film what you're doing, and then edit, post content, and keep up with all your fans through the various online venues. And still you manage to produce such a high quality product with such consistency. Impressive work all around.
I love to see ya both working together. So much entertainment have a good week.
With this centipedes running around, I dont think I would ever wear flip flops. 😲😲😲
Niki won the popular vote. The electoral college is still out.🤦♀️
All in fun, folks...please don't hate.💙😎
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@Craig G I agree; I'm not much of a comedian. 😜
Nikki wins! - no hate here. :-)
I love this project videos! It's so good to see progress and the chain gone!
That was terrible... thank God it wasn’t necessary at a critical moment to fail. My neighbor has one of those drones and he loves his. Great info. Thanks for sharing.God watch over you both.
Niki won the knot tying competition as the fender height on hers was correct. Sorry but Jason's fender placement was too high. :)
Y'all take your coffee SERIOUSLY! LOL!
Yeah I learns how to roast farts in LA
Thanks again for a glimpse of my boat👍⛵😁
I'm sorry to hear that you were scammed on anchor chain. Anchor chain can definitely be re-galvanized, but not every hot dip galvanizer can do it. The galvanizer has to be able to spin the chain to remove the excess zinc after they pull it our of the hot dip tank or all of the links will stick together. In Houston, Texas, Madden Galvanizing has this capability and they can re-galvanize anchor chain. They sand blast the chain before galvanizing it. On my trawler, I had 300 feet of 5/16 HT ACCO chain that was 16 years old, rusty, but not in too bad a shape. I had it re-galvanized by Madden Galvanizing and they charged me $325. They base their charge on the weight of zinc applied to the chain.
To replace the 300 foot of chain with new ACCO chain from West Marine would have cost me $1,677. To replace the chain from Defender Industries with new ACCO chain would have cost me $912, which is 46% less than the West Marine price. It's always worth checking the Defender Industries price. My re-galvanized chain is now 9 years old and it looks almost like new. When I replace this anchor chain (or when I get a new boat), I'm going with Cromox Duplex Stainless chain from Ketten Waelder. It doesn't have the issues that 300 series stainless steel has and it's only about 3 times the Defender Industries price of the ACCO HT galvanized chain. The 300 foot of Cromox Duplex Stainless chain will cost $3,200 but it will last forever.
Jason may won the ‘fastest’ but Nikki won the best looking method. 🤣😂
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A little trivia. The last link in an anchor chain, is called the 'bitter end' And i'm told that's where that saying comes from. And yes i have been a merchant sailor most of my life. And i trust the old seamen that told me that. 😉
So, every chain has 2 "bitter ends"? That could effect the way a number of people drink-------
Ha hahaha!!! Cooling the coffee beans!!! Nice segway to drone ad. And just Wow!!! On the flaky bad anchor chain!! You all work SO hard to get Curiousity back up to efficiency!! (Mind blown!)
Great to see you two! One more step closer to getting out into the blue. See you soon. Be safe.
Why not just buy a stainless steel chain? No matter how much it wears, the coating (galvanization) will never wear off because the entire material is rust-resistant.
Id assume because the cost would be astronomical. figure $4 per link x how many links in the chain per ft x how many feet? Id be interested in the Wynns assement of a complete newbie giving a guess.
$4 per link
8-10 links per foot = $40-per ft
200' chain $8000
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I'd be curious to have a metallurgical engineer weigh in on this. A stainless chain seems like it would be a "Buy once, cry once" type of purchase. But stainless *can* rust in the right conditions, and getting regularly abraded and dunked in saltwater might be enough to break the stainless oxide layer and rust the chain anyway.
He: "Now I can go another ten inches" She: "That's not what she said." hahaha
12:37 That was going to be my comment but you beat me to it.
You know I'm expecting to see lots of good links in this video! And now that you've done all this research (thanks for sharing!), no one's going to pull your chain again!
Y'all are the best!!
The part with the electric bikes, the music and both Jason and nikki enjoying life gives me the extra feels. Can we have a electric bike montage in every video....
Since buying Curiosity you’ve chainged quite a lot.
Post a link to the manufacturer, please.
Stainless steel chain? I would thing just normal galvanized chain would chip going thru the block with frictional load. 2nd... DJI sponsored! Someone is getting big!
ISO rated G4 316 SST windlass/anchor chain is a great option.
If you have deep pockets. It is many times more expensive.
You'll still have the issues of quality, even with stainless steel chains! Been there, done that. And what'll be worse is..., that you'll have spent a LOT more on an inferior grade of s/steel chain, all the while thinking that you're taking care of long term issue.
You two never fail to enjoy each others company.
Great lead in to a plug for the sponsor. Well done you two! So satisfying to see you finally get rid of that chain.