The Senior Moment with Jonah Goldberg | GoodFellows
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- The Dispatch’s Jonah Goldberg joins Good Fellows to discuss his differences with Niall Ferguson’s Soviet America essay, the Biden/Trump gerontocracy, and the European elections. Also, can someone help Niall choose a dog?
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I have bookmarked dozens of podcasts and/or TH-cam channels, but this is the only one where I listen to every single episode. Three great scholars who obviously respect one another, but who are willing to pushback on one another. Bravo!
The show can be interesting, but one hour isn't enough to seriously discuss these topics.
It's wonderful to listen to intelligent people discussing important issues rationally. So refreshing in a world full of TH-camrs.
Well done to Niall for hosting the show instead of Bill 😊 glad to see the GoodFellows back
Niall, get a border collie because they’re so incredibly intelligent for a dog, and they’re very energetic. :-)
Good Afternoon from Alberta, Canada 🇨🇦
Riveting to listen to the gentle back and forth of four big minds. Great to cap the week, thank you!
Niall truly has a silver tongue. Such a canny ability to be witty and articulate with his oratory, did an excellent job as moderator.
Been away a long time, good to hear from the fellas. I'm 50 / 50 on much of what was said today but won't comment, on this episode.
Stay safe and wel everyone!!
Thank you for referencing stoism. Hopefully we can bring the wisdom of the ancients back in the awareness of truth and humility.
Luv your show. Keep them coming!
A rescue dog is the correct answer. Give a loving home to a dog in need
Enjoyed the lively discussion sparked by Jonah's and Niall's disagreement about the last years of the Soviet Empire. How about having a guest next time who's on the center-left such as Tom Friedman or Timothy Synder.
Gerontocracy was at the onset of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The symptoms are created by the same causes, as it seems unanimous in this conversation, regardless of institutional structure.
Don't expect John to admit he benefits from a gerontocracy...
It happened in the Soviet Union because Stalin had given governmental power to a fairly small, and paranoid inner circle and the Soviet Union had no mechanism for taking away their power.
Basically all Soviet leaders before Gorbachov came from that group, and so just inevitably, 40 years later, they were all either dead or very old men.
I dont see how that maps onto the current situation in the US.
Disagree. Two completely different systems. Nevertheless, it is good to consider all angles.
Why would anyone listen to a man who served Donald Trump, bent under his dictates, and betrayed his country?
Great moderator! Fun to have the Democrats thinking out loud much more than they would like, and the GoodFellows right there making the most of it! Thank you!
well done gentlemen👍
For the sake of your sanity, make sure that whatever you do, don't get a small yappy dog.
Thanks you, such a pleasure to listen to the Goodfellows, occasionally augmented by a great guest!
I also can’t help but marvel when people confess at despising Trump and then have to admit that that agree with (most) of his policies during his first term
Unrelated but is there some way you guys might whisper to Ms. C. Rice what a WONDERFUL presidential candidate she would surely be for all of us. Young too.
Dog suggestion for Niall: poodle or poodle mix. I have given my 5 year old daughter a Poodle-Bichon mix when she turned 5. Poodles are smart, sociable, don't shed, and very playful. Excellent family dog.
Great episode, as ever! For my money, Lord Tweedmouth really knocked it out of the park when he created the Golden Retriever; an incredibly fun and gentle family dog that will retrieve your paper, mow your lawn, do your taxes and help the kids with their homework. If their longer coat is a setback, Labs and Flat-Coated Retrievers are excellent, as well!! German Pointers, English Pointers, Irish Setters and Brittany Spaniels are also great choices. Go with one of the great sporting breeds of the British Isles, Niall - you won't regret it!!
Settle for two Black Labradors-they’re exceptional,for all the right reasons.
Portuguese Waterdog! Absolutely lovely dogs. Our neighbor has one and we just love her and are always willing to dog-sit if needed.
4 of my favorite people. Bravo
I enjoy listening to every one of your GoodFellows episodes. Greetings from Serbia.
As for a dog breed recommendation I always support adopting rather than buying. My best dog was a Scotland sheep dog mix. Very good with children, playful and energetic.
Wonderful men, thank you.
well this needs an update now :) things have shifted to say the least
Enjoyed hugely as always. Also, come on Niall, we all know the best dog is always a Golden Retriever. Stop faffing.
I live in Canada. After doing some research half a year ago, I concluded that I would get a Finnish Lapphund if I could select any dog breed for my climate.
Great presentation.
How come y’all don’t ever recognize the intellectual OG that preceded the reductive but important follow through efforts by Goldberg and Murray. Patrick Buchanan wrote suicide of a superpower in 07! Murray and Goldberg ran with and elaborated on his thesis, but I never hear them mention Pat. Why?
Rotweiller is a beautiful loving fun dog to have as part of the family. Great dogs. Had two babies when we got our rottie and she was the best of friendship offers until she passed in 2013.
Loved your book, Mr. Goldberg: "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from..."
Especially the chapter on Woodrow Wilson, eye opening.
Great discussion. I would have loved more input from the General since Europe and Middle East are are a cauldron right now.
First! And welcome back, Goodfellows!
Niall: deaths of despair- alcohol, Heroin, joblessness.. suicide - how about Edinburgh, Dundee and Glasgow????? (Historical amnesia?).
You might consider an Irish Wolfhound. Wonderful dogs and an afternoon spent racing them is time well spent.
Good Fellows and The Dispatch. Two great programs that fill the vacuum left long ago by the disappearance of The McNeil-Lehrer News Hour (back in the day).
Mr Ferguson, a golden doodle is top best! Good luck 👍🏼
Here in Canada the parties do pick their candidates but they still choose performative candidates rather than formative. I think it has to do with the media circus that we call elections. You need to be a good actor to win.
We had a half corgi half german shepherd and it was the best dog, especially for hiking.
Dog tips for Niall: Miniature Pinschers (Zwergpinscher) or Prague Ratters are great with kids! Also Czech out the Bohemian Spotted Dog (a great combo of calm + active).
Love Jonah … he’s sharp, insightful and very articulate.. also hell of a collection of historical artifacts behind him… pretty awesome
Agreed. Jonah is an excellent, thought-provoking guest and this was a robust conversation.
You forgot socialist, at best.
Did you hear what he said right at the beginning? That our problems stem from too much freedom?
His podcast The Remnant is very good as well
@@lynnelee4390 Jonah Goldberg has spent three decades, as a political thinker, *arguing strongly against* socialism. If you truly think that he is a "socialist, at best," then you are seriously mistaken. Read more of his work, instead of forming a judgment of him based on one sentence in a video discussion.
As a big fan of the GoodFellows and Mr. Ferguson in particular, I can´t help but share my recommendation for the big question of the dog choice. I definitely recommend a White Swiss Shepherd as the family dog .
As a descendant of the purebred white Shepherd dogs, they are very loyal and caring of family, especially of children that they might see as "sheep" in they responsibility. Able to form a strong social bonding and being very smart, they can become true friends for children and adults. At least that is my experience with the one we have. Minuses of the breed: might be allergic and sensitive, so it takes time to find the right nutrition. P.S. Volodymyr Zelensky also has one :)
WTF bring back BILL, jonnie cochrane is taking advantage and needs a firmer hand
Niall: What I got from JG's response to yr "We are the soviets" was "Sir, this opinion offends me". Which is something you should never hear in a place of learning. It's not healthy disagreement. It signifies breach of taboo; there are things off-limits.
I often mis-judge situations, but his presence seemed to be intended as a bollocking. For me (bc I can not take a bollocking w/ the appropriate penitence) this normally precedes the heave-ho. Every time this happens my heart sinks, and I think, "This place is not what I thought it was, and I am a stranger here."
Need to update the credits to Sir Niall now. 🎉
Neil, you really should get an Airedale Terrier! 😉
But all the Soviet experts in academia declared just weeks before the USSR collapsed about how the Soviet economy was overtaking the US economy and they would dominate the US.
Great show as usual. Goldberg is an interesting guy. He speaks the down to earth language of us engineer and pilot types here in Wyoming. 😂Good anchoring by Ferguson.
I have 2 German shorthair pointers. Great breeding from NAVHDA breeders. I’ve owned 4 over past 16 years. You need to exercise them at least 1 hour daily and do obedience. I’m a serious upland and occasional waterfowl hunter. If you’re not, there are better choices.
@Niall - best dog ever is the Rhodesian Ridgeback. My two girls love their loyal, short-haired, highly charismatic, and trainable, but large, dog. In our community in Kenya, there is nowhere I won’t let them go if he is with them.
I generally like Jonah but I thought his sensitivity to the Soviet frame was well a bit sensitive. I think its spot on and a useful vehicle to shine light on the relentless creep of socialist thinking that permeates public institutions in the west. Great to hear his full explanation though.
"You're challenging me to do this during the lightning round." well, that's the understatement of the century. Could do an hour on it and probably wouldn't be done.
Actually, Mr. Cochrane- could you do a video about them? I don't understand them at all.
These guys would be well served to discuss what they do not like about populism instead of talking around it. What is it about endless wars, America last, open borders, etc. that is good for the average person?
John your growing on me again.
I do not understand why Ronald Reagan is not often mentioned, also having speculations that his Alzheimer’s began in his second term. But he is a total success- why because he got a capable administration (like any president can assemble). So, having a president that can rally people for a good cause is what’s important, not so much if he / she is in a perfect state (remember also FDR in his late days)
Great program. So does this mean the end of Ukraine?
The laptop info was not HONESTLY BROUGHT OUT JONAH....it was successfully suppressed
As a center-right leaning voter, the Dem that I think would be most effective is Gov. Wes Moore. Impressive CV.
Niall you should listen to Catholic Unscripted for a you UK political discussion.
I wish men like Goldberg would run for office before arrogantly labeling politicians as incompetent. Have a backbone and run or gain some humility.
I am in substantive agreement with Jonah. One MASSIVE difference between our gerontocracy and the Soviet Union is that we have elections and they do not. We could very easily find ourselves in a few months with a female President who is in her early 60s. (God forbid!) We could have a wholesale turnover of bureaucrats if Trump wins, with the entire upper strata of every federal agency being replaced. We could in 4 years have someone young and energetic as President like Vivek Ramaswamy, with a very young and vigorous cabinet.
In short, we have the ability to reinvent ourselves on relatively short notice.
I am a Vietnam era veteran, and clearly remember growing up in a very different world, with massive riots that gutted every city, million person marches on the Capital, a half million GIs spread across South Vietnam with a couple hundred dead every week, and a constant trickle of political assassinations... and two presidents in a row being forced out.. . Etc etc.
But we recovered very quickly, and within a decade of the war's end it seemed to be largely forgotten.
My guess is that in a decade, the "Fourth Turning" will be complete and our society will have recovered from it all and be stronger for it.
Cochran can’t recognize the results of implementing his economic theories on the working and middle class.
We are a democracy. Republics are democracies. The one fits inside of the other. Democracy is the big tent underneath lay 50 different forms, republics being one.
Niall, get an Airedale! Smart, loyal, playful, great with kids! The breed originated in the Aire Valley in the north of England, 200 miles from the Scottish border.
America has a government, healthcare delivery system, legal system, educational system, and a media system, all of which are dysfunctional. I viewed this video for 13 minutes and 21 seconds; thought my ears would start to bleed from all the gibberish being spewed. The Hoover Institution is one of my favorite subscriptions on TH-cam. As an octogenarian and a healthcare provider with a BS(Ph), MS, RPh, most of my days are spent on my tablet listening to members of the intelligentsia. Surprised that this video was awful from the get-go.
I generally don't agree with Jonah Goldberg much, but he absolutely nails it with the Baby Boomers clinging to power and the problems with the political parties.
brave and intelligent people welcome criticism. refreshing compared to other eco-chambers pods
Get a Collie! Loving, devoted great with children, especially the traditional UK bred Collies!
Niall, you want an Airedale Terrier. It's a medium-sized dog that is good with kids and adults and, more importantly, does not shed!
Naturally, there was no discussion on anti-Ukraine war sentiment factoring into the European elections in recent months.
It's far less of an electoral issue in Europe than it is in the States. From a UK perspective it was barely even mentioned even by the skeptical parties like Reform.
If we could only make everyone on the field as wise as Gen. McMaster and Mr. Ferguson, Neo Rome would be realized. Unfortunately, the reality of humanity seems to be same old, same old.
I’m going to just come out and admit that I don’t know/understand the difference between a formative leader and a performative one. I request to be enlightened. Thanx.
"The advice nearest to my heart and deepest in my convictions is that the Union of the States be cherished and perpetuated. Let the open enemy to it be regarded as a Pandora with her box opened and the disguised one as the Serpent creeping with his deadly wiles into Paradise."
James Madison 1834
Niall, as a Scotsman, you should at least consider a Golden Retriever. How this was missed by your fellow goods is insufferable.
German Sheppard, they are smart, extremely faithful and gentle dogs, they need a good and responsible owner.
The general is describing , Kennedy
I missed what he said, but he's probably went woke like the rest of the military
For Niall: Basset Hound. Fantastic with kids; protective, gentle, and indulgent with them. Laid-back personalities in general, although can be stubborn. Surprisingly fast and active, when the occasion calls for it. Actually great hunters. Rodents will have a problem in your lawn with a basset around. Immensely photogenic; there's just no such thing as a non-adorable basset pic.
Chiweenie. Affectionate, energetic, and doesn’t shed.
german shorthaired pointer. the best of the best. friends have multiple ones, they're amazing, loyal, playful. high energy and need some room for exercise. If you are looking for something more stocky but chill and also a great family dog, rhodesian ridgeback.
Labradoodle, without a doubt. Sweet, smart and great with children.
There aren't many pundits on British or French politics in the USA. None were on the Goodfellows panel today. I think the whole "macro worldview" was lost in the discussion. The across the pond point is that the trend is left center. (Also the trend was true to form in the Iranian election that must be producing some angry Fatwaas as we speak.)
I don't have a strong opinion about what kind of dog Niall should get, but I think it's a bit odd that they didn't include Jonah.
So true, Jonah is the dog expert. Niall, have a word with Jonah.
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Niall: Consider a border collie or a sheltie (aka Shetland Sheep Dog). Both breeds are intelligent, loyal, and beautiful. I currently have two shelties (who replaced by beloved border collie when she died). No regrets either way. They medium sized dogs, which is a plus.
Rhodesian Ridgeback is a great dog breed. I have had 3 of them and love them. Short hair, so shedding is not a big issue. Just don't get a German Shepard because they are overly protective, have long hair and hip problems are common to the breed.
An alternative to a Portugese water dog is a Lagotto Romagnolo aka an Italian water dog. The Lagotto is somewhat smaller than the Portugese and a bit less high strung.
If he is senile then he should resign now and we should ALL calling for it. I don't like Kamala, but she should be the President right now.
We got a specifically bred "urban dog" (in our case a Cavoodle) as opposed to a working dog breed (such as a Collie). Non-shedding, hypoallergenic, submissive and medium energy (will run if u want it to but will lie around if it's too rainy to walk). Working dog breeds need a job and get bored and anxious if they can't work. Ours has a wonderful temperament and is not too big (and needs to eat lots and sh!t lots and is difficult to pick up or travel with) or small.
The trend for the UK and France doesn’t bode well. No mention of immigration…
Does McMaster agree with the decision of the Supreme Court regarding Trump's immunity decision.
Doberman if you want protection to go with it. Great family dog if gotten as a puppy. Won't let any stranger near your kids, this could be an issue.
i love how people that are not from the US think they understand how are country works alot of talk from someone whos country imprisons people for freedom of speech
Best dog. Mad Dog 20-20.
It needs to be a Scottish Terrier, of course.
Advice on dogs, buy a breed you most look like. I ended up with a French Bulldog…
Why is Jonah Goldberg here? Not watching this further.
Ok, I'm so hopping mad now, I'm hooked into watching this, thanks a lot, Hoover, you have me hate-watching for the first time.
Is it possible to change 35 years to run and 68 as a top end?
The point about Gerontocracy isn't just about old people running stuff, it is that the party leadership doesn't trust younger people to sustain the system as it has existed for decades. New people with new ideas might take things in a different direction which could totally destabilize the current organization and political dynamics. For instance, OLD people care a lot about NATO. Younger people don't. A new wave of leadership might appeal to a younger constituency by saying we need to drop NATO and use the money and energy that went into sustaining the alliance on something that appeals to the younger constituency. Young people are largely ambivalent about Israel or hostile to it. New leadership might be able to use that political force to change America's relationship with Israel, but the powers that be are absolutely committed to the current relationship, and so there can be no new blood with new ideas on that issue either. The senior decision-making personnel are hesitant to admit new people into their ranks because new ideas could destroy the established consensus.
Here's a counterpoint to Biden's age being a concern from a national security perspective: The Trump administration's inherent inability to effectively execute policy objectives due to an entrenched, ideologically resistant bureaucracy would be equally-or, in some cases, more-detrimental to an administration's efficacy
I listen to Goldberg and I agree with him on so many things, then he says "I despise Donald Trump" and that's it, I don't trust his judgement. You can't possibly report fairly on a candidate if you are emotionally involved with them. Someone like Bari Weiss would have been a better source for criticisms of D.T. than Jonah Goldberg, she has control of her bias.
I don't care for Trump, I never voted for him. I don't care for Biden, I never voted for him. So trust me when I say, "I want both men to live out their lives in comfort and warmth, far from Washington, D.C."
Labrador Retriever. They get along with people, other animals, and are extremely trainable. Get an American (field version) and not the English version-they are thinner, more sleek, and have a slightly longer lifespan. I recommend black, but any version will do.