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The Loki is also perfect to stack with the other 5" x 3.5" series from Schiit. I rarely do anything on those fancy new age computers. That is the biggest issue for me with the Mini DSP.
I'm pissed at automakers for taking away equalizers. Doug Demuro actually made fun of a 7 band equalizer in an old Mitsubishi I think it was. Why ? Every $50 boombox used to have at least a 3 or 5 band EQ. Now it's all presets if any. I give zero fucks what the designer thought sounded good. They almost all sound like ass.
Equalizers are great, especially if the system is mediocre, but even if it's an awesome system, unlike headphones or home speakers, replacing car audio is far more labor intensive and costly. If you give me an upgraded system, like a Harmon Kardon 11 speaker bazillion watt monster, and it doesn't have a sub woofer, you're wrong. GM. Cunts. If it doesn't have an EQ or has preset EQs, or just treble and bass and maybe mid, then you're wrong. Fucking wrong.
People are ruining audio by buying mono Bluetooth speakers and shitty earbuds. So few people actually ENJOY music for all it's worth anymore. Thank God for companies like this, and other enthusiasts like you people.
EQs are important because everyone's ears are different. Eardrums are slightly different sizes and thicknesses and we have all experienced different exposures to loud noises, and so on. EQ everything. If you want to be flat, fine, you do you, but let me create what sounds good to my ears, with my favorite music. 🤙🏼
The Mini DSP digitally processes the audio, though. The Loki is pure analogue. This is an important distinction for many people. If you simply want to EQ a signal, you can tweak it to hell with any laptop or phone..
Thanks. As someone who wanted both analog and digital processing, this is very important to me.
If you want to stay all analog, the Loki wins. The mini-DSP adds extra ADC - DAC conversions at 24/192 - In my system I lost some soundstage due to that processing - very easy to tell in AB testing (there is no analog bypass, once the mini is inline, the conversion happens) For versatility, the miniDSP is massively better value & power.
I'm old, I like knobs.
im young, but i like knobs too because less software is nice a lot of the time
I just installed my Loki to my powered monitors last week. I love it. I also added a Shiit SYS for volume and switching. Good stuff.
I'll be getting the Loki soon, will sit between my Bifrost and Freya+ running into Edifier S200pro's.
I am looking to get the Loki, I have the Modi and the Vali 2 I just ordered I like the Shiit stuff!!!
I would love to see the Bellari EQ570 compared to the Loki
The loki is dead simple though. That's its attractiveness. Most don't want more complexity even if it means better.
This is correct.
Nice video. Been waiting to hear more about these. BTW, it's "EQs," not "EQ's."
Too true. Imagine every time you want to slightly tweak the sound, you have to fire up the computer. I have the Loki and I love it!
Not to mention the dac in the MiniDSP is mediocre at best.
Not to mention, it's analog.
I'm seeing value in the Loki for simple, on the spot adjustments song by song, or when can swapping.
I use one of these for badly recorded vinyl. Sounds great on those vintage recordings. I have the Loki.
An important thing is the fact that the DSP is a DAC as well, so to use its Eq it has to be used via digital, between source and amp. But if you happen to have a better DAC than that in the DSP then there is no point, because to bypass the DSP's DAC you no longer get to use its Eq. Better to get the Schiit if you have a very good DAC already.
Even when you use analog in?
, fuck all that shit people, go with the Beringer mini EQ. It's on Amazon for $69 bucks and it's better than both of these units.
i have the 58X. i like them, but feel they are a bit dark and could use a bit of upper frequency lift.
So the miniDSP is for people who don't care about the quality of their source, since whatever you feed into it will run through its entry level DAC. I'm not saying it's gonna sound bad, just that people with high quality source might wanna opt for the Loki.
IDK man. I just use the dac on the miniDSP HD for my entire front end of my living room. Every speaker you get an evaluation of here on this channel, Fiber input on the miniDSP HD in my living room.
Now feeding a good dac THROUGH it via analog. That is an extra conversion from AtoD then DtoA. Probably not worth it. But still. What the DSP can fix might surpass any quality loss you suffer in that path.
Yeah, it's quite strange that these very different devices were even compared. One's basically a USB sound card with DSP effects built in, including a DAC and ADC. The other devices work strictly in the analog domain. They are not comparable products. No amazon affiliate link for JDS and Schiit though.
I have problem to hears bass, the schiit loki change the way i hear music....love schiit loki
My Loki will be here this Friday, also bought he Modi and Magni 3+, can't wait to hear them over Klipsch HP3's!
Is it good for gaming like if I want to hear footsteps more can o set it up quickly in order to do that. Also obviously I’ll use it to listen to music and such
MiniDSP while powerful is an entirely different application for me. The Loki is good for on the fly adjustment of the signal, all analog with true pass-through ... basic tone control EQ with well-placed band adjustments. I use it in a pre-out/main-in loop on an old receiver to adjust the hugely varied sources in that feed the system: from digital streams, TV/movie sound, and two different turntables with very different cartridges, and of course the varied music each of those send. It's like an oldschool tone adjustment on a receiver, or a small 4-band sitting off to the side (actually that's exactly what it is). For all of this, for these sorts of quick adjustments even from album-to-album or song-to-song I don't want to pull up an app or hope that one of my MiniDSP presets will give me exactly what I want in that moment. Of course it *can* but I don't want it takes to long and is too fiddly in the app.... I just want to slightly turn a knob.
The mini is awesome for a myriad of other reasons, but again... it's just not the same thing.
will you review the schiit Lokius ?
I have a Mini DSP HD, Z - can't wait for you to do the room correction review of it!! 👏👏👏👏👏
Z knobs are better because mini dsp downsamples high resolution it converts analog to digital and then digital to analog. Your wrong Z im sorry. Mini dsp sucks for audiophile applications. might as well throw all your dacs in the trash if your gonna use minidsp.
Was going to post something simular then saw your post.....
They make products that are digi in+digi out to troll the signal before it ever gets to a DAC. However, I do prefer having physical knobs or faders.
@ Z Reviews - can you please do a review on the Bellari EQ570 Audio Equalizer. Which one you would suggest..Schiit Loki or Bellari EQ570
The Loki is a great product for $149. You will not regret it.
Im planning on getting a Loki just cuz i like the tactile side of it and i think id just get so caught up in adjusting and stuff when i just want a quick adjustment on the fly
I'm happy with the Schiit Loki. It does the job very well. Subtle changes in the sub bass for a bit more extension (20 Hz at 2 o' clock setting) and a little more spark in the treble (8 kHz also 2 o' clock setting) made my beloved JM Reynaud Offrande speakers really sing.
This area of the home audio market is sadly lacking. All of the reasonably priced rack stuff I've seen does not include a "stereo link" button... so you're stuck adjusting levels individually for each channel. I don't like the bump graphics on the Loki. This is particularly absurd with the 6 band Lokius. Treat us like adults and give us frequencies. Using bump graphics is a wasted opportunity for people to get educated on what frequency range corresponds to what sound they're hearing. I also find it really gross that they price gouge on silver boxes. I've considered their products in the past, but this has always deterred me on principle. Schiit indeed. You don't see Geshelli charging for color on their metal boxes.
The Behringer MiniFBQ (with a silver face!) is getting the job done for now, but I read somewhere that it was discontinued and now the price has jumped on Amazon. So I worry about what my options will be if/when that box dies. The 75Hz low cut button is perfect for the Jamo S801 speakers at my desktop, and I've grown quite fond of the stereo pair of (LED) VU meters.
I will be buying one from germany soon (mini DSP that is). I work in company that deals with car audio, and the power of DSP is endless. I will say that again, ENDLESS!
I bought the Loki, now buying the MiniDSP for the home computer, great review!
Zeos, I picked up the HD after your review and recently added Dirac- love it! The ability to access 4 room corrected curves via the remote is great along with the endless crossover options for the sub make this a bargain. I have Roon and regarding my headphone setup , I use Roon’s optional SP/EQ settings, which can save multiple curves.
I use the loki on my turntable after the phonoamp, minidsp is nice but loki is awesome for analog
What phono preamp are you using?
Anything like this but from JAPAN?
Sonarworks fucks the sound too much. It doesn't sound good at all, it's metallic and unnatural. You can check out their curve and do it yourself (as much of it as you like).
Time to buy a miniDSP.........
MiniDSP for the win....
My Loki arrived yesterday, as well as tweaking music I'm hoping to get a little more immersion out of Battlefield V audio, which it is delivering..
I love my Loki, I use it for music and movies. I don't have a centre channel as I only run stereo, so it's very useful for bringing out voices.
Why can't it have a web base interface? I don't want a Mac or Linux box to do my eq. mmm
Thing is that if I wanted to I have full control in my playback app. Doesn't work for web or streaming. But the problem is just as Z says the range is too high so you have only a few clicks of adjustment before it just sounds f'd up. I think it would be cool to do the minidspHD with the wifi. You can then control volume from android and looks like soon the web. Would still have to build the profiles on windows or OSX. Maybe my next job will make me have a PC? But that does add $70 to the price.
Hey Daddy Zeos, why didn’t you just demonstrate the tuning on a pair of speakers so we can all hear what they do for ourselves?
* * * Exactly !
I wish mp3 payers did eqs like this. R2 and r3 worst eq ever. Sony nw a45 and 55 perfect eq.
EQ software is also an option... assuming your source is a PC.
Equalizer APO/ Peace Gui.
Though sonar works is fucking nice.
Do they only accept analog in? or digital in as well? To my horror my new CD player and amp decided to offer no tonal control.
Zeos, we all demanding you to review the new Schiit Lokius, please ;)
why? why? why not do it with speakers so we all can hear it?
is impossibkle without a computer make a rela time equalizing with minidsp
Thnx for the review...I’m setting up a 2.1. I want it to be as simple as possible and sound as good as possible within my budget. I’m going to put together an Hypex Ncore nc502mp amplifier. So, I’m looking for a solution for the amplifier. The amp will just be a power amp. No volume! I was looking at the Schitt stuff. Hence watching this review. Then you sort of reviewed the mini dip hd. Would this fit the bill as an all in one solution without having to buy a DAC, preamp and even maybe an eq? BTW, please excuse my ignorance. I am new to hi fi. Once again thank you for your help...😊.
An eq with only 3 or 4 controls? This is technology going backwards
I own a Loki. It's not about fine adjustment to remove or cover flaws. It's about gentle, broad strokes to add some flavour to the sound.
I use Hifiman he400i headphones. The Loki adds some deep bass, less mid bass to avoid muddy sound, and then subtract some treble. It doesn't give me a neutral sound, it gives me bass hump with planar speed and slam and takes the edge off some harshness. Cheaper than buying a more expensive headphone ;)
What are the brown headphones he put on the left? aolas? Something like that
Sony Z1R - Loved them with any source I had. SOLD AS THEY DID NOT FEEL SPECIAL.
Sennheiser HD800S - I respected what they can do so much, I kept them over Z1R... BUT NEVER LOVED THEM.
Schiit Loki - Made me love my HD800S so much I am never selling these. JUST ADDED LOW END.
Full Headphone Setup:
Gungnir Multibit
Mjolnir 2
Freya (sometimes)
Loki
HD800S or balanced mod Fidelio X2
Damn, why did I had to find your Fidelio X1 review back in the day. Look what you made me do 😶
MicroAlex welcome to the world.. how about you try planar driver, maybe ether2 suit your taste..
I also run a Loki As I want to physically make adjustments', It is not over priced for what it is, Many top reviewer's recomed it for subtle tweaks. Right now it's back ordered to Feb. 20. They can't make them fast enough....
Yup I plan on getting one. Im lucky to live about 20 minutes away from the Schiiter. I wonder if local pickup would be available earlier.
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a way to chain something like the Loki to an amp/dac combo like the NFB-11?
not realy, unless you get a separate dac and it has analog in
or you use to 3,5mm to rca adapters and put it between the amp and the headphones
Or just add it to the famous Schiit Stack (Magni+Modi)+Loki. All 3 have the same dimensions, so they were meant to be stacked. You could get the DAC/Amp like the Jotunheim or Fulla, but the Magni+Modi is better overall. Powers my T50RP Mk3 + mods very well.
@@PaulJeffery81 the NFB-11 is a huge upgrade over a schiit stack. I wouldn't want to downgrade just for an eq. That's kind of why I asked the question since, but thanks for the suggestion. 😀
I would be into a Loki but I have the basic steel top Magni/Modi so it won't look right in the stack.
So I guess I should just toss the Schiit stack and get a Mini DSP and a JDS Atom as sugested in the video
Can attest to the schiit loki, picked it up b stock for 100. I really enjoy using it, however I primarily use it for a bass boost/correction. I need to upgrade to a minidsp, but until then making stupid bass happen on lcd2c is pretty satisfying :D Also how do you feel about a sub(or 2) for sub bass using the minidsp as a crossover with some headphones? Just a thought for more tactile feedback.
For headphone subbass tactile feedback, I would recommend picking up a transducer and attach it to your chair. I think a package is made already called buttkicker. You feel the bass instead of hear it.
It's an intense experience, too intense for me, but if you can't get enough bass, you should try it.
The knobs on the Schiit Loki are 6dB for the low and low-mid. The high-mid and treble knobs are 12dB.
No it's 12db for the 20hz and the 8khz band and 6db for the low mids and upper mids. It's straight off their website
what music player do you use
Can i use this with the JDS labs element three?
Im so confused i want to be able to use alter the eq.
Only on the way OUT of the Element. The element is Digital ins only so you would need to EQ on the source AKA the PC
equalizer apo + peace (real time software solution)
The Lokius just came out
Rolls bellari eq570?
I bought the miniDSP HD based on your review and learned by experience that it's unusable with my efficient Zu speakers; there's audible hiss from my listening positions even with a -9dB cut to input our output. This issue is widely reported by other owners of efficient speakers. The Loki doesn't add distortion/noise to the music I'm listening to, while allowing me to tweak treble and bass issues. I haven't tried the miniDSP with my headphone setups but I can't think of a reason why I need a break-out box for DSP for a computer-based headphone setup because I can do all my EQ in software before it hits my DAC.
Caleb Keen I’ve read more about this now in audiosciencereview and it does appear to depend on your speakers efficiency/amp’s gain. Not everyone will notice noise/hiss.
@@cl2nden1st89 Agreed - I have 97 db efficient speakers which are fairly uncommon and very sensitive. 90 db and lower speakers will probably be fine as long as the gain settings on the DSP are set correctly.
Have original Loki and run off either Modi 3 or iFi Zen Dac. My hearing is weird that no matter what speakers I have I am missing upper treble unless I dial in the Loki. Klipsch, Martin Logan, any of them. My first Modi 3 died a few months after buying and it took Schiit a month to figure out they needed to replace the circuit board. I use Audirvana Studio player on my iMac which recognizes either Dac and works with Tidal and Qobuz within the player. iFi now has the Zen Dac V2 out with some changes. Have considered both Modius and Lokius but one is $200 and other $300 which I know is cheap but still....
Hi All,
Do you know which good EQ devices with 10 bands or more than 10 bands?
At that point you may want to look for vintage ones as they are cooler and cheaper. BUT if you can do it digitally via a PC that is best
If you go digital, you should be able to assign EQ controls to knobs or faders on a midi controller. I don't know what it looks like these days, but the old Focusrite software had built in EQ stuff to play with. I don't know if miniDSP software would allow midi controlling.
I dont see how you can say if your headphones are perfect you dont need this. What about the recording. What about Metallica with their flat shit "so you can play it LOUD" on some shit speakers? I understand some headphones wont behave well with EQ'ing, that dont mean they are perfect or have the exact sound your after.
you are right. no, not about the mini dsp(yes it does do alot if this and that) but i am going to buy the loki because i want the knobs!!! why? because i just want a simple headphone e q adjustment, not something i have to program. also, i dont need a bunch of cables going in all sorts of directions. LOKI FOR ME!!!
I feel I should pick up the MiniDSP for my car, but man I still want the Loki for my home music. Some records just seem poorly made... or maybe they did what they wanted and i love the songs but hate the mixing. I got an original pressing of Jane's Addiction's 'Nothing's Shocking' recently and boy do the drums and bass sound buried. That's when I first started eyeing the Loki, I just can't see 4 profiles being enough when I have Phono+DAC+different headphones+different recordings to fix...
Now... I just need to save enough money to do my whole Schiit order with a Jotunheim and maybe a lil Magni for my electronic drum setup... that's hitting almost $1400 Australian with shipping... fuuuuck.
Loki+ is now out.
but I like knobs....
Sonarworks shits on all of these. Except the mini dsp that thing is cool for speakers or systems that are not computer based. Ironically I just got downvoted to hell for requesting a review of sonarworks on your sub reddit smh the ignorance on there is astounding. Someone literally called it snake oil...
Spank rag sitting in the gaming chair, no review.
and poop in litter box :) no review either
Isnt there anything cheaper on aliexpress?
@Hersey Berry F1-MK2 nobsound
You need more than 3 bands, though... More like 10 or more to actually properly calibrate any speakers. - None of them are perfect or even close.
Speakers (including headphones) without equalization is like an uncalibrated screen. Tough if you don't like it.
Any reason to get the Loki for gaming ?
absolutely, will really make those explosions explode. and you can tame the high end
Isn’t this digital EQ vs. analog EQ? Not quite the same, is it?! If a man has a nice DAC, a man will choose the analog EQ, no question about it. Of course a man can live without EITHER of the two.
Yeah. You talk about mini dsp being superior in technicality but does it actually sound better? I doubt it. It is digital so I am sure they did not spend top dollar on AD/DA converters within this price. When Shiit is completely analog unit. SO I dare you to compare both of them side by side and tell me which one is more transparent and better sounding. I am sure it will be Shiit.
I just bought the Subjetive 3 a couple days ago. STOP DOING THIS TO ME!
TheFeelsPolice The Subjective is totally fine. Sure, they went overboard with the +(-) 14 dB gain this time. BUT it doesn’t colour the sound apart from when you actually turn the knobs. You just have to be very careful when adjusting the knobs. I’ve changed the knobs on mine to bigger ones which makes adjusting them ever slightly better. I suggest looking at the Taiss aluminum rotary knobs (6mm shaft, 20x17mm height) on amazon to switch over your bass and treble knobs. I watch zeos for occasional entertainment, and don’t use his content to influence my audio shopping choices.
Sooo did you end up being happy with the Subjective3?? Any hiss? Good clean bass boost?
I have two Loki and I but one of them developed a low frequency buzz that comes in and out when 1st powered up then stays on permanently, by having two of them I was able swap location and PS and the buzz followed the Loki. Please let me know if any of you had this issue and how you solved it.
Mr Z, greetings from Puerto Rico.
A have a pair of Edifier s3000pro and i feel like the dac on then is pretty good,so I was wandering would the loki work on my speakers and if it does what would be your combination of components that you would use? I only use a tablet or cell phone for music source, no computers. I trust your opinion and really enjoy your content.
* * * Why didnt you use Powered Monitors so we the people could hear the diffrence these make ?...also...alot of people dont have $$$+ Headphones and are just trying to make TH-cam Videos / MP3 Files and Computer Games sound better for $99 so the JDS Labs migh work better for them.
The mini dsp is pointless if you’re using it with a computer or htpc because you can get software probably even free software that does pretty much everything it does and way more
Great info!! Does the miniDSP have an app to control it? Any way to control it without a computer? How do you feel about the proaudio stuff like the dbx 215s? Running from a bluetooth module (using streaming from phone) via RCA into a receiver...super simple.
Stereo parametric EQs are expensive AF. (Elysia xfilter)
Single channel parametric EQs but two of them are less expensive but a royal pain in the back to get set equally. (Rolls RPQ 160b)
So how does fixing the frequency range they influence make them so cheap?!
You know what? I just get a desktop mixer with 4 mono channels, each with 3 EQ bands and abuse that! HA!
Zeos, Do you think any of these would work to utilize the Ol'School Bose 901s? Have the speakers but not the amp that originally came with it. PS. U RAWK and continuously make me spend my monies!
I'm looking for an affordable workplace setup to make listening experience better. My source is a crappy laptop, so I appreciate the Loki being analog as the software policy at my work is majorly locked down. I wouldn't be able to use the MiniDSP. Nothing is going to be great, but at least I can try to improve it some.
I bought the Loki to put in my phono stage chain. I have very warm low impedance low output speakers. Added loads of sparkle and opened more imaging in the midrange. Beautiful to clean up poor recordings. That is why I bought it. Simple device. Worth every penny.
If it weren't for cost, I'd go Minidsp and Loki. DSP for flattening it out, then Loki to put back in the color when I want it.
what makes me sad is that the true-fi app from soundworks is discontinued before they got the soundid app out of beta for desktop. also i would crank the heck out of the first 2 knobs and feel my blood vibrate on my dt1770s because why not lol
So for someone running off of motherboard audio, this sort of add would be the icing on the cake AFTER a good amp/external dac proves to not cope with the motherboard eq settings ? New to all this stuff....
If only someone would build a parametric eq similar to this...sigh...
I wish you had done a track off of Offsprings Smash album; because that has to be the worst produced album out there. I plan on getting the Loki soon, and that would be one of the first albums I play around with.
Hello,can i use the little Schiit Loki with the Fostex Hp3a and Beyerdynamic DT 770 and Custom Game Headphone?And is the Schiit Loki usefull for gaming with this Setup?
Every reviewer sort of notes how small and light thus floppy the Schiit components are. I'm wondering if adding some larger, stickier feet might help them alone or stacked.
I bought the DSPmini, hope I picked right as I'm also analog for the most part, hard nowadays to get good oldschool equipment.
Maybe the Hippos wouldn’t kill so many of us if we made Hippo sized headphones . Must be a bummer to be canless your whole life. Just sayin.
yeah i dunno ive had this thing for a month on really high end towers and swan speakers and a huge range of headphones and i simply cannot go back
I wish you talked about the dsp earlier bcc I was about to buy the loki but I’ll still give you bid a like bcc it’s good
does using the minidsp after a dac mean that we are always listening to the dac in the mini dsp? so no real point in having a separate dac?
could really help flatten out speakers to suit room.their new model has 6 bands
I'm having some problems with low end on my Kanto TUK's in my small room would i be able to use this to lower those frequencies to "normal"?
Between 32-125hz.
Would it be worth it to do this rather than just EQ it digitally?
All we need for the Mini DSP is a IR remote with knobs. I believe than it exist on internet? x)
That’s Parametric not Graphic when you can adjust the bell curve on the EQ
my dream project is a powered 4 way (12" sub, 6-8" woofer, dome mid, amt tweeter) using a mini dsp hd as an active crossover with each output going straight out through an amp to a driver. set into a big tower, with a separate compartment for the sub and like...a drawer between the sub and the other drivers with all the electronics in it. problem is even diy it'd cost over 1000 to build 2 of them...
What is i want my bass to be my new chiropractor adjustments? What do I get then?
I have the Schiit Modi/Magni 3 stack as well as the Topping MX-3. The more I use the switches on the Schiit products the more I find the sound of them grating. Even in this video when I heard the sound I cringed. Thankfully, other than turning off the Magni 3 I don't have to do it often. I think it must be an OCD trigger.
Got my Loki today. Where do I plug it in ? Between my Musical Fidelity M2 & my turntable pre amp ?
Z, great review. Why isn't there a minidspHD with digital to digital connectors and is there a way to get the fullness/depth of analog outputs from digital outputs?
You still haven’t reviewed sonarworks. Just saying