The sister in the audience needs a professional to explain adoption to her. She, like the birth mother, has no understanding or respect for the fact that the child’s Mother is Jillian. She’s not babysitting or fostering. They all act like that’s what’s happening.
Exactly (not yelling in caps pointing out) Clearly Julia has taught her daughters NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU BEHAVE IF YOU FEEL HURT ITS THE OTHER PERSON FAULT and now THEY ARE LEARNING THE HARD WAY that just because there mother allows them to get alway with there out of control behavior the rest of the world is not going to anywhere near as accommodating and THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
@@JohnDoe-wj3lv now that’s total BS we adopted our baby sister and although her birth mother gave birth to her they have no relationship her birth mother gave her up at 1 month old to drink party and birth more kids from her partying ways the connection you have with an individual is not always about sharing the same DNA
totally agree...If the child gets to 18 and wants to meet her bio mother thats fine...but she gave her child up, which must be a very hard decision that is & also selfless...The adopted mother has very right to not let her child see her real mother x
@Mazani Cruz the mother gave her child up for adoption...she gave up all rights to that child...also she’s toxic towards the women taking cate of that child so why should she see that child when she gave her up & 2 she will put her toxic energy towards the womb taking care of her child...
Madani Cruz. No. That’s a piss poor excuse to expose this child to her unstable birth mother. Her daughter will understand as long as she is open with her about why, right now, she can’t see her. I bet when she’s 18 she won’t want anything to do with birth mom. Why would she? She disrespected her mother her whole life.
This woman opened her heart and adopted a child.. shes the mother. The other 2 women gave up that right, they are dead wrong for attacking this lady. Maybe the grandmom should have taken the child then. I would sue for harassment and get restraining order if they kept that BS up.
Exactly!! I think they’re mad at the wrong person. The birth mom should be mad at herself if anyone for putting herself in such a situation for these events to occur. They should be praising the adoptive mother bc she provided what they couldn’t & continues to do so.
Exactly they danced to the fiddle and now are trying to play the victims because they don’t like having to pay the piper. Even if there some how able to get there case in front of judge a it would take a first year law student about 5 minutes to be able to prove that the bio family should not get Evelyn back.
@@JohnDoe-wj3lv that's not true. Being adopted is better than the foster system under the guardianship of the state who only cared when the child was being neglected or abused. Adopters are not thieves they save children from hopping from house to house when the state still views the family unfit for the child.
I wish Dr. Phil included the clip where he looks at a Facebook post made by the bio mom. Olivia basically insinuated that she was going to kidnap the child, because she was in the area. So of course the adoptive mom wouldn’t want them around Evelyne.
Yea hearing her say that she would remove the posts now that the adoptive mom knew is riddiculous. If she was willing to post it on the internet she would definitely badmouth about the adoptive mom to the child in private.
Exactly I don’t buy for a nanosecond that the bio grandma didn’t know that those posts were public I don’t buy she cares that they offend the adoptive mom. She cares that they are coming back to bite her now because they make her look bad.
So I’m adopted and I’ve met my birth mother. I am just saying from my perspective that if my birth mother was at ANY point trash talking my mom, I would not want to meet or have a relationship with her. So I am 100% on the side of the adoptive mom in this case because at the end of the day it really does start with her.
I hope your biological mother has a good reason, God bless you and God bless her! try to be very considerate and understanding then... I agree with you but i cant encourage "hate"
I have a question. Let’s flip the script… You, as an adopted child, if your adopted mom spoke ill of your Bio mom without you knowing anything about your bio mom, how would you feel? I’m curious because I have a similar situation to the one I described. I’d love to get your perspective if that’s ok. 😊 thanks in advance. As to your response, I agree. The Bio mom has to respect the adopted mom no matter what. Being a parent is putting selfish feelings aside and doing/saying what’s best for the child. It’s wrong to bad mouth any person whether it be the adopted mom or bio mom.
She had 6 months to change her mind ... she gave up her rights. The child is not her child now. If a stranger came up and said I want access to your child, you'd call the cops. The fact that the adoptive mom is on Dr. Phil discussing this and is open to sharing her story shows that the adoptive mother is reasonable and mature. The bio mom is a nutcase that needs to stay gone.
@elyssahuff7564 Later on, it is said according to the court records that Olivia only went to two court dates out of many. Whether it's fair or not, if you don't attend hearings of the court where your appearance is critical, that automatically factors into the decision made by the court, no matter the reason. They don't care WHY you didn't show up, they just know you didn't make it a priority to fulfill your responsibilities. If they see you advocate for yourself and your interest, that tells them you're true to your word and that always wins their favor.
Exactly and whether the bio family likes it or not whether they think it fair or not the adoptive mom has the right to wall them off and by attacking her they’ve ruined any chance be being apart of Evelyn life til after she turned 18.
When you sign your rights away, you do not have the right to see the child anymore. It’s also up to the adoptive parent to keep the child safe. It’s the parents choice not the bio parents choice. These ladies need to just give up
She didn’t give her up, CPS took her away because the bio mom was underage when she had her and homeless and gave her to the adoptive mom as a foster child
Dr Phil was right to address the woman in the audience. From what I've seen of this situation, the adoptive mother seems to be doing a good job, the others concerned all have a lot of growing up to do.
as someone who is adopted, I wanted to meet my biological mother when I was younger and my family and I had long conversations about it and my mom decided it wasn't best at that time. I met her a few years later and I have an AMAZING relationship with her. I am so glad my mother made that decision.
I'm happy that it turn out to be great for you, but you have to think about in this scenario, the child was first removed from the home of the biological grandmother and mother, because they were deemed unfit and after that, when the biological mother was an adult, she was deemed unfit to take care of this child and therefore had to sign away her rights. CPS don't make these kind of decisions lightly. The foster system has the goal for the child to be returned to the biological parent as long as they can prove they can care for the child. They don't just sign the child up for adoption once she is removed. She had to have been living separated from her biological mother for I think at least a year. The biological mother and her family then decide to harass and badmouth the adoptive mother, as tactic to get to see the child. This is not a behavior of a fit parent.
@@daisiejensen4818CPS is a joke!! My ex-wife alleged neglect and my daughter was taken from me for 9 months. Meanwhile my ex gets a 2 DUIs + DWS and still got to keep custody. It took me filing a suit against CPS to even get my daughter back as well as filing charges in criminal court to have my ex held accountable. Too many CPS stories have had kids harmed by staying in families or with parents that are unfit.
The Biograndma looks at her and says “I’d never trash you to her because that would hurt *Evelyn*.” Instead of turning to her OWN daughter and saying “Of course it’s not about her! But trashing her would hurt Evelyn!” 🤦♀️ so close but still so far
It’s because she trying and failing to do some form of damage control and what she did on stage is the at the core of the problem with her daughters she has taught them no matter how bad they behave if they feel hurt then the other person is the bad guy and deserves it. NOT YELLING iN CAPS POINTING OUT THE FACTS THAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THE ADOPTIVE MOM DOES NOT ANSWER TO THEM SHE IS NOT THE BABYSITTER OR NANNY THAT THEY CAN HIRE OR FIRE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE HER. SHE THE MOTHER WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO WALL THEM OFF SHE HAS NO DUTY TO KEEP THEM IN Evelyn’s life THEY HAVE TO EARN IT. Based on what I’ve seen they destroyed any chance of being in Evelyn’s life till after she turns 18.
How do you know? It’s a touchy situation! Been around for my sons son and step daughter. Mom was a gad about stripper and slept with any man who showed up! She would get dressed up with makeup and roll her hair and when she did that she dropped the kids at my house and left town headed for New Orleans or where ever! She’d come back months from then stay a week and head out again then she’d call my son beg to come home! He finally said no, no more! Sometime she’d show up see the kids then beg to spend the night and he said no so sometimes she’d call the cops! It was a nightmare that went on till Her son said that’s it I don’t ever want to see you again and He would not talk to her! It’s a sad thing!
@@faydenereed4056 imma answer for you. Yes. Mom should not have given up kid just to come back whenever she feels like being a mom. Point proven. Don't comment when you have not collected context.
Honestly I stand by the adoptive mom’s decision to not let the bio mom see her daughter at the moment. With all the drama the bio mom’s been stirring up, it’s not healthy for the little girl to be exposed to all that right now. If the girl wants to reconnect with her bio mom when she’s an adult, that’s fine. However the bio mom needs to understand that she has no right over the child’s welfare because she legally signed away her parental rights already. Not to mention her slandering and stalking the adoptive mom online. It really goes to show she isn’t fit to be a parent.... if she can’t handle being told ‘no’ without launching a harassment campaign then I don’t think she should be allowed to care for the child.
Anyone who bad mouths you behind your back...there gonna do it & be toxic towards your child...so anyone whos toxic towards me...they wont be seeing my child...
I was adopted when I was 3 hours old. My parents told me all the info that they were told about my Biological parents as far back as I can remember. They never tried to hide the fact that I was adopted. IF I were to meet either of my biological parents, I would refer to them only by their first name. This show is dealing with a minor child. That child does not have the ability to make decisions of this caliber by any means!!!
The point is that, even if the adoptive mother "screwed them" as bio-mom and grandma said, they don't have any right on the kid anymore, it's done and, considering the slander campaign they did on adoptive-mom, they'll be lucky IF they get to see the kid at all when she turns 18
Exactly(not yelling in caps pointing out) BIo grandma just demonstrated the root of the problem with her daughters SHE CLEARLY TAUGHT THEM NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU BEHAVE OR TREAT SOMEONE IF YOU FEEL HURT ITS THE OTHER PERSON FAULT AND THEY DESERVE IT. Thats not the way the world operates. What they also clearly DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THE ADOPTIVE MOM DOES NOT ANSWER TO THEM NOR DOES SHE OWE THEM A PLACE IN Evalyn”s life and CONSIDERING HOW HER DAUGHTERS ACT BIO GRANDMA IS IN NO POSITION TO BE GRADING ANYONE PARENTING PAPER.
Dr Phil never crossed examed Olivia family.She didn't just adopt this child. Why were they living in a motel. Why were they in foster care also? Why did Olivia's mom lose custody of her own kids? They did this to themselves
Adoptive mothers need more protection from the biological mothers and their families. She should not have to go through that. She adopted her child. Period the end. She’s legally her mother. If she doesn’t want trash and chaos in her life, she has a right to not allow it. If it continues the adoptive mother should be allowed to press charges. We need better laws protecting these parents.
Like what? The laws are already there and any other law created wouldn’t protect the adoptive parents but instead hurt the biological ones or the child involved.
my sister was adopted and when her birth mother showed up at our house on her 13th birthday MY SISTER was the one who told her bio mom to leave. she didn’t want someone who didn’t want her.
I really hope there's more to this story. Adoption can be an incredibly difficult, and often selfless decision to make for bio parents. I hope the kid didn't slam the door on a person who gave her up so that she ( the child) would have a better life.
@@cita_m her mom went to jail for prosecuting my sister. my parents were family friends that’s why she came to us instead of somewhere else. my sister tried for years to have a relationship with her mother but she always chose drugs and men over her. my family took her in and loved her like she was one of us.
This biological mom is crying out in pain and anguish for her daughter. She obviously wants her. This adoption was unfairly rushed. But I do agree that bad mouthing the adoptive mom is wrong also.
The biological mother made the worst mistake there is to make by trashing the adoptive mother no matter what they think of her.... The biological mother also went and had another child... let it go & move on. There’s no reason for her to keep going on, leave your daughter alone to thrive with her new family. And just be happy that she’s being taken care of.
Exactly it’s ridiculous that the bio family have done nothing but trash the adoptive mom for 5 years and now there trying to play the victim because the adoptive mom will not let them see Evelyn. Even if they somehow get there case in front of a judge because of the bio family conduct towards the adoptive mom a first year law student could prove in about 5 minutes why Evelyn should not be returned to them and why they should not have visitation.
CPS unfairly took the kid, but they're unfairly blaming and mistreating the adoptive mother who was not responsible for them losing their child since it was a closed adoption. That's the plot of the episode.
They trash her to other people.the child will easily pick up the vibe towards her mom.she will hear smack about her mom even if they think she isn't listening.kids are smart.keep them away until she 18.protect her.the mom and daughter are not stable in their emotions.they will mess up the kid.protect the child at...all...cost...
This is a sad story for Olivia and the grandmother and I don't know if they got the shaft from social services or not, but that was then and this is now. They came to Dr. Phil believing that he would help them overturn a legal adoption and get the child back. The child is now adopted for 5 years from the age of 2 and only knows one mother. Imagine not caring about the trauma of ripping the child from the only mother she knows just because another dog has the bone they want. This is not like trying to regain ownership of stolen car. If they *truly* loved the child, they would let her continue to be raised in a loving home. They are three bitter women and I wouldn't let them see my daughter either.
The adoptive mom is a very mature woman!Only thing I wish she would have done differently is when Olivia reached out for years asking how Evelyn was doing sending an email back saying the child is doing fine and maybe one picture. Only thing I think she should have done differently. I think her allowing no contact with Evelyn is her right, but maybe just sending an email one time years later and her stating she would like a closed adoption, Evelyn is doing great, and she will make sure she knows how loved she is everyday and sending one picture.
I think a safer step would've been to meet with Olivia in a neutral setting far away enough that she doesn't have to be worried about being followed. There, they could establish boundaries as needed and meet halfway. However, with Olivia's record of not showing up either on time or at all, that would affect anyone's view of her as it's why the courts didn't find favor with her.
The child didn't get taken away because mom went to bum a pack of cigaretts. She wasn't returned because mom didn't work with CPS for quite a bit of time. This adoptive mother needs to move away from these crazies and let her child live a good life.
The adoptive mother should not allow any of them ever to see the child...EVER !!! This whole family is toxic, especially the grandmother and Aunt... the mother is so young and needs to mature more.
Though I agree the adoptive mom shouldn't be attacked or blamed CPS took that child unfairly. I thought the system was supposed to help so that family can stay united. Why not help them with housing and put them on a program and monitor them? I didn't hear any evidence of the child being abused so why adopt her out instead of helping them?
to Adopted I agree 100% with you, you are the child's mom. I would never let that girl or her mother I would never ever let her see her. If I was you never ever see your child, I wouldn't listen to Dr. Phil you do what you think is right!
I think the family was completely wrong to treat the adoptive mom with disrespect. However, I get where Olivia was heartbroken. If she had reached out to this woman for years, and she was just ignored, that had to be heartbreaking. The adoptive mom had every right to not want an open adoption, but instead of ignoring Olivia for years, I don't see why she couldn't respond one email letting Olivia know Evelyn was ok and one picture. I think it would have eased Olivia's mind a lot to hear from Jillian her daughter was doing ok. I do think her trash-talking Jillian years later was wrong, I think Olivia got upset by not getting any response for years and blew up.
The adoptive mother is in the position of not knowing what is best for her adopted daughter in the present because she can’t predict the future mental/emotional state of the child. Resentments aren’t always conscious, and it is what is in the subconscious of the child that these resolutions should be based around. There will always be the birth mother, so better to healthily integrate the pieces of this child’s life into something coherent from as early an age as possible. Legal “rights” do not change the biological and psychic truth that the child will have to DEAL with no matter how righteous one feels about legal standings. They simply don’t matter and the child does. And for what it’s worth Dr. Phil isn’t an adoption competent therapist so this entire process is unhealthy and flawed and not the correct mechanism for deriving what’s best for the child. If this rings as counterintuitive to you, consider if you are properly studied on the psychology of adoption. This was written by an adoptee.
Just because the child came out of you, doesn't mean that you can tell the adoptive mother what to do. I would have told the birth mother that if she discredited my reputation, she will not be allowed to visit my child until she is 18.
That actually does mean that. Actually it means you have full, invaluable rights to the child. I applaud the mother for doing everything she can to hurt the woman who stole her child, even at her own expense
I agree w the adoptive mother. I wouldn’t let my kid around the birth mom or her family. They are not respecting that the adoptive mom is the child’s mom & has full rights & that’s all the child knows so why would she send her daughter over to ppl who she knows will prob bad mouth her? That would just upset the child. That whole family just doesn’t get it. The adoptive mom should take her daughter and run far away from them.
The child is in the right place. Be kind be patient and when your baby girl is 18 she will come find you. Otherwise, apologize and keep it moving. the end.
15/16 out of the most recent 22 months adoption becomes an option ..sad mom should have received resources to help with mental health as well as assisting her with shelter instead of just taking her daughter away and allowing someone to adopt her. The foster mom now adoptive mother doesnt have to allow the birth mom to unite nor have a relationship with her child.
What the adoptive mom does on her own time is her business. As long as her baby is taken care of, she can go to Vegas and dance on a table if she wants to. These 2 idiots think raising a baby in a vehicle is ok?? The birth mother is a spoiled brat who is pissed off because she's not getting her own way. Maybe thank Gillian instead of critcising her.
The biological mom and her family are way too immature and definitely seem like they can’t be trusted alone with the kid.. the adoptive mother seems to really want what’s best for her child.
Exactly the bio grandma demonstrated exactly why her daughters turned out the way they did. She has clearly taught her daughters that no matter how bad you behave if you feel hurt it’s the other person fault.
@@PrincessKarrah yes she definitely has taught them to play the victim and it’s horrible.. the way both daughters acted on the show was just ridiculous and if i was the adoptive mother i would never let them near that kid because they seem like they would take her and disappear or something
If adoptive mom chooses not to let them around that’s her right she is her daughter it’s her right that’s not her child she was adopted, ofcourse no mom would want someone around who’s attacking her I just don’t think they get it she’s her mom! yes the other gave birth but that’s it that’s adoptive moms baby. so if she lets them see her that’s out of love for her daughter and the kindness in her heart. But they definitely ain’t entitled to be in her life. so attacking her isn’t smart
Closed adoption is ABHORRENT. Adopting a child is a beautiful act of kindness but that kid will never be your blood relative. Adoptive parents should always be made aware of this.
Hold up who is the woman with red hair, what is her relationship to Evelyn? She seems to just bring in so much drama and get so emotional but for what?
WTF where was the grandma,where was the lady who was sheding a crocodile tears from the audience,they seems to love and cares alot for the child where were they at the time when they need to step up like this adoptive mother who dare to stood up and fight for her daughter (adoptive child) from the bio-mom and relatives who attacks,harrassed her, stalking her and trying to defamed her.they should be luck that they didn't get sued for all their toxic and abusive behaviour..shame on them..this sort of things needs to be done systematically and legally...if they were told to pay back the money of all the amount that were spent toward child they will run away leaving the child alone in a heart beat for sure (all of them including the grandma and the bio-mom).
abigail c the difference in behavior between the adoptive mom and the bio mom is like night and day. the adoptive mom wants to clear the air and resolve the situation for Evelyn's sake while the bio mom is only doing it for herself
hopefully evelyn can have a relationship with her real mother, and that her adopted mother still stays in her life. its been 6 years since this video came out, hopefully evelyn is alright with her real mother, and her adopted mother as well.
This is sad all around. I feel for the bio mom BIG TIME. I do not understand how others are acting like she's so wrong for wanting a relationship with her child that she lost bc of her mom living in a car and them being poor. That is messed up, there's no amount of cross examination that would make me think that was a reasonable reason to take a child from it's mother. WHY not help the mother? I do think foster care is, especially back then, a big money game and it's sickening!!
There’s so much that goes on with adoptions . I am not a judge, I do not look upon anyone’s personal affairs and pass judgment. I’ve been on both ends. And it’s a ton of trama that comes with and from adoption on BOTH ENDS. Depending on the situation. Loss. A lot of loss that never goes away for the birth mom. Depression, low self confidence and so on.. and after a certain age children will start to beat on their chest like a ape because of LOSS DIVISION CONFUSION FEELINGS OF REJECTION, low sense of self and so forth. But like I say just all depends on the situation
From the clips I've watched (i haven't watched the episode, so pardon if i make a mistake), Jyllian never portraited Olivia as a bad person in front of the little girl.
the real issue is the best interest of the child. clearly ti stay with the only mother she has ever known, and adopted her completely legally. the behavior of bio mom and grandmom shows they cannot be reasonable or fair to the adoptive mother. By the way, grandmom would normally have been given right to foster/adopt child-but she was too drugged up/messed up at that time to care for the child. Seems bio mom and grandmom are a healthier now, but too bad. it us done. the adoptive mother would have likely allowed contact with bio mom if she had not (and continues to) act so inappropriately. I suppose the facrt that having a child at 16 and then another father is missing child at 18 does not disqualify here, but shows her judgement is still lousy. she shouod tru birth conytil til she is in a better place emotionally...
She didn’t, she was screwed by the system real bad as a teenager. She could sue the state for an illegal adoption, but because it’s been over five years, no judge will give her her child back because the child has bonded with the adoptive mom. It would do more harm than good for the kid.
I think the bio mum loves her kid but she’s going the wrong way about it. She needs to work on herself and the bio gran and be a bit more respectful to jyllian and maybe she will let her be with her kid.
The adoptive person is not and will never replace a real mother something might have happend no one know all the truth but them when that girl turns 18/she can meet her real trie mother and talk to her whatever the adopted lady likes it or not..he real name is what her real mother named her
Manipulating women into giving up their child is soo wrong. Especially in the postpartum period, when she’s very fragile and emotionally incoherent. It’s very wrong in so many levels. We need to help mothers and children be together not help separate them.
The fact that going completely over the bio family head here is whether they like it or not whether they think it’s fair or not Julian is the mother she not a nanny or a babysitter that they can hire or fire because they don’t like her. The more they attack her the more they insure that they will not be apart of Evelyn life until she 18.
None in the biological mother’s entourage seemed to have the best interest of the child in mind. They came on Dr Phil to attack and attempt to humiliate and intimidate the adoptive mother. They thought they would get Dr Phil on their side. They tried to manipulate Dr Phil. Hilarious Epic Fail.
:39 She tries really hard to cry and then gives up. 🤣🤣 When are people going learn you can’t come on this show and manipulate the situation to make it seem like you’re the victim
I'm adopted....I am not a fan of open adoption like some have it. Adoptive parents are not foster parents or caregiver. They are PARENTS. I think things should be like they are where I'm from in NZ. Adoption records open at age 21. No contact before that
To be honest if the daughter wants to meet her biological mother then so be it she's her own person and its her biological mother, I think the daughter has the cards and if she wants to meet her mother or see her again then let her.
At the time of this show, the daughter was ~6 or so. When she's older she should absolutely meet her mom if she wants to; in the meantime, when she's too young to understand the issues surrounding her bio-family and at risk of being negatively influenced by them, it's the adopted mother's right and responsibility to make that choice for her.
It's sad that both mums could not both come together and have a responsible conversation with each other without trashing each other. And talk about what's best for the child? Both are real mums in their own rights and ways. Sounds like the little girl was asking questions about her birth mum. But in a brief moment, we will never know all the details.
I feel like there were huge wrongs done on both sides, Olivia, as a young woman and mother, said things she shouldn't have (especially on the internet). And (if it's true) Jyllian should not have told a young, scared, uninformed teen mother that she would keep contact if she wasn't actually going to do it.
BIO Mom did NOT sign her rights away. Watch the rest of this show. Her rights were stripped from her bc she was too young. Now shes older and she has never stopped trying to get back into her daughter's life.
Even if your statement is agreeable, she tried getting back into her daughter’s life in the most uncivil ways possible. The solution to getting back into her life was to be friends with the adoptive mother. Instead, this woman stalked and slandered her on social media, conspiring with her mother (child’s grandmother) in the process. Speaking of the grandmother, she set a very poor example for her daughter by going along with her motives.
@@jpl4136 oh I'm not disagreeing with you at all! Just can't stand these people who keep wanting to comment that she voluntarily forfeited her rights. That being said, I don't feel that the government should be able to take someone's children away. I'm not saying some kids shouldn't be removed and placed in more loving homes either! I just wish it was more of a community effort to look out for them... It takes a village though and if modern day communities had any semblance to generations past, there wouldn't be as much injustice towards parents OR their children. But you're not wrong by any means.
@@inthelandofmorethansmall7582 completely understandable and I’m not disagreeing with you either. It’s a sad situation and I can tell the biological mom truly wanted to be a part of her daughter’s life in some way shape or form. But this is exactly why I believe only married people should be having children, not young teenagers. She was way too young and not in good financial standing to be having a child. However, I’m NOT saying she gave up her rights voluntarily.
@@jpl4136 Absolutely agree with you there! Had my first at 17. Granted I did get married and that didn't help, but hindsight is 20/20... 🤦♀️🤷♀️ My Son is 21 now and a wonderful young man! But I know I could've made many less mistakes with him if I'd been older, wiser, and more mindful of my choices.
It's hard for me to not side with the biological mother because I'm a mother and I don't really care if an adoptive mom felt offended by what I said the mother might be unstable a bit but she was 16, and people deserve a chance to change, but that being said I have my kids so idk it's hard to not side with a seemingly okay parent. And don't come at me with some dumb "wel what if she beat her child would you side with her then" type of comment or anything like that.
I feel for the bio mom, but ultimately once you sign the papers you sign away all your rights to even visits. If you want to see that child for 18 years, then raise it, but adoptive parents don’t owe anything.
Exactly the bio mum deserves a chance to see her. And if the adopted mum stops the adopted child from having a relationship with their real mum once they turn 18 then the adopted mum is very selfish
on the other hand the real mum should not bad mouth the adopted mum,because to the child the adopted mum would be her real mum,so both mum have faults here
The sister in the audience needs a professional to explain adoption to her. She, like the birth mother, has no understanding or respect for the fact that the child’s Mother is Jillian. She’s not babysitting or fostering. They all act like that’s what’s happening.
Exactly (not yelling in caps pointing out) Clearly Julia has taught her daughters NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU BEHAVE IF YOU FEEL HURT ITS THE OTHER PERSON FAULT and now THEY ARE LEARNING THE HARD
WAY that just because there mother allows them to get alway with there out of control behavior the rest of the world is not going to anywhere near as accommodating and THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
Totally agree. She was annoying as heck
They all thought they would come on Dr Phil trash the adoptive mom and Dr Phil would side with them. But he does extensive homework. He’s not stupid.
A mother is related by blood to the child. An adoptive, “mother,” can never be a mother. Ever
@@JohnDoe-wj3lv now that’s total BS we adopted our baby sister and although her birth mother gave birth to her they have no relationship her birth mother gave her up at 1 month old to drink party and birth more kids from her partying ways the connection you have with an individual is not always about sharing the same DNA
The adoptive mother has the right to decide wether or not her daughter can meet her biological mother, and the mother has to respect that decision.
totally agree...If the child gets to 18 and wants to meet her bio mother thats fine...but she gave her child up, which must be a very hard decision that is & also selfless...The adopted mother has very right to not let her child see her real mother x
@Mazani Cruz the mother gave her child up for adoption...she gave up all rights to that child...also she’s toxic towards the women taking cate of that child so why should she see that child when she gave her up & 2 she will put her toxic energy towards the womb taking care of her child...
Madani Cruz. No. That’s a piss poor excuse to expose this child to her unstable birth mother. Her daughter will understand as long as she is open with her about why, right now, she can’t see her. I bet when she’s 18 she won’t want anything to do with birth mom. Why would she? She disrespected her mother her whole life.
If it's an open adoption she can (biological mother) can see her
Unm no not wen u con 16 yr old girl out of her child an have cps telling the 16 yr she has to sign her rights away
This woman opened her heart and adopted a child.. shes the mother. The other 2 women gave up that right, they are dead wrong for attacking this lady. Maybe the grandmom should have taken the child then. I would sue for harassment and get restraining order if they kept that BS up.
Exactly!! I think they’re mad at the wrong person. The birth mom should be mad at herself if anyone for putting herself in such a situation for these events to occur. They should be praising the adoptive mother bc she provided what they couldn’t & continues to do so.
Exactly they danced to the fiddle and now are trying to play the victims because they don’t like having to pay the piper. Even if there some how able to get there case in front of judge a it would take a first year law student about 5 minutes to be able to prove that the bio family should not get Evelyn back.
Dr Phil said so himself that the family got a very unfair treatment by social services and CPS.
Adopters are thieves and kidnapped. That girl belongs with her mother and grandmother, not a selfish adoptress
@@JohnDoe-wj3lv that's not true. Being adopted is better than the foster system under the guardianship of the state who only cared when the child was being neglected or abused. Adopters are not thieves they save children from hopping from house to house when the state still views the family unfit for the child.
I absolutely love the adoptive Mama. She is extremely mature and absolutely doing what’s best for HER little girl! THE BIO FAMILY NEEDS TO CHILL!
What show are you watching?
@@JohnDoe-wj3lv this one. She’s a wonderful woman and looking out for her daughter.
@@JohnDoe-wj3lvyou obviously ain’t watching it with your daft comments.
I wish Dr. Phil included the clip where he looks at a Facebook post made by the bio mom. Olivia basically insinuated that she was going to kidnap the child, because she was in the area. So of course the adoptive mom wouldn’t want them around Evelyne.
@Nati At 4:30 I wish :/ I only saw the clip because it was being re-run on TV.
Yea hearing her say that she would remove the posts now that the adoptive mom knew is riddiculous. If she was willing to post it on the internet she would definitely badmouth about the adoptive mom to the child in private.
@@imalionimaqueen7234 exactly! And if she “matured”, then the posts would have BEEN deleted.
Exactly I don’t buy for a nanosecond that the bio grandma didn’t know that those posts were public I don’t buy she cares that they offend the adoptive mom. She cares that they are coming back to bite her now because they make her look bad.
So I’m adopted and I’ve met my birth mother. I am just saying from my perspective that if my birth mother was at ANY point trash talking my mom, I would not want to meet or have a relationship with her. So I am 100% on the side of the adoptive mom in this case because at the end of the day it really does start with her.
I hope your biological mother has a good reason, God bless you and God bless her! try to be very considerate and understanding then...
I agree with you but i cant encourage "hate"
I’d be happy to hear my real family trashing my fake one any day of the week. Blood is what makes family
I have a question. Let’s flip the script… You, as an adopted child, if your adopted mom spoke ill of your Bio mom without you knowing anything about your bio mom, how would you feel? I’m curious because I have a similar situation to the one I described. I’d love to get your perspective if that’s ok. 😊 thanks in advance.
As to your response, I agree. The Bio mom has to respect the adopted mom no matter what. Being a parent is putting selfish feelings aside and doing/saying what’s best for the child. It’s wrong to bad mouth any person whether it be the adopted mom or bio mom.
@@JohnDoe-wj3lv no, blood doesn't make family.
Thank you
She had 6 months to change her mind ... she gave up her rights. The child is not her child now. If a stranger came up and said I want access to your child, you'd call the cops. The fact that the adoptive mom is on Dr. Phil discussing this and is open to sharing her story shows that the adoptive mother is reasonable and mature. The bio mom is a nutcase that needs to stay gone.
she was forced to give her rights up. she speaks on it
And her being forced to give up her rights is her own fault
@@LifeLaughterandUs someone held a gun to her head?
How is it her fault as an uninformed CHILD that she was forced to sign her rights to her daughter away
@elyssahuff7564 Later on, it is said according to the court records that Olivia only went to two court dates out of many. Whether it's fair or not, if you don't attend hearings of the court where your appearance is critical, that automatically factors into the decision made by the court, no matter the reason. They don't care WHY you didn't show up, they just know you didn't make it a priority to fulfill your responsibilities. If they see you advocate for yourself and your interest, that tells them you're true to your word and that always wins their favor.
She adopted the child , so birth mother lost all rights . All rights where given to adopted mother
Exactly and whether the bio family likes it or not whether they think it fair or not the adoptive mom has the right to wall them off and by attacking her they’ve ruined any chance be being apart of Evelyn life til after she turned 18.
The biological mother gave up her rights.
Simple as that. When we adopted our son we received a new birth certificate with our names. Rights are terminated.
When you sign your rights away, you do not have the right to see the child anymore. It’s also up to the adoptive parent to keep the child safe. It’s the parents choice not the bio parents choice. These ladies need to just give up
The 16 girl did not sign her rights away wen she didn't sign her rights away she still has legal rights to her child believe or not
@@micheleroulet9972 yes she did in court, otherwise the adoptive mom couldn’t have adopted her, get ur facts straight
You cannot adopt without birth parents rights being terminated. So yes her rights are done. Over.
"I would never ever bad mouth you!" Says the women who put all of this out on national tv.
Look how professional the adoptive mom compared the the biological family. Absolutely deplorable.
Shoulda kept the kid. Not your kid anymore hun.
She didn’t give her up, CPS took her away because the bio mom was underage when she had her and homeless and gave her to the adoptive mom as a foster child
@@Unapologetically_american remember, government programs are a business not a charity.
@@jamesacereese4481 I have never heard truer words❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Nati At 4:30
YES!
The sister is really trying hard to squeeze those tears out.
The sister is faking crying 🤨
This episode should be called, "We're so hurt and angry and you're the easiest person to blame for our grief".
Dr Phil was right to address the woman in the audience. From what I've seen of this situation, the adoptive mother seems to be doing a good job, the others concerned all have a lot of growing up to do.
as someone who is adopted, I wanted to meet my biological mother when I was younger and my family and I had long conversations about it and my mom decided it wasn't best at that time. I met her a few years later and I have an AMAZING relationship with her. I am so glad my mother made that decision.
You have to be protected if the person is TOXIC
@@lisar9396 she didnt say anything about her bio mom being "toxic"
I'm happy that it turn out to be great for you, but you have to think about in this scenario, the child was first removed from the home of the biological grandmother and mother, because they were deemed unfit and after that, when the biological mother was an adult, she was deemed unfit to take care of this child and therefore had to sign away her rights. CPS don't make these kind of decisions lightly. The foster system has the goal for the child to be returned to the biological parent as long as they can prove they can care for the child. They don't just sign the child up for adoption once she is removed. She had to have been living separated from her biological mother for I think at least a year.
The biological mother and her family then decide to harass and badmouth the adoptive mother, as tactic to get to see the child. This is not a behavior of a fit parent.
@@daisiejensen4818CPS is a joke!! My ex-wife alleged neglect and my daughter was taken from me for 9 months. Meanwhile my ex gets a 2 DUIs + DWS and still got to keep custody.
It took me filing a suit against CPS to even get my daughter back as well as filing charges in criminal court to have my ex held accountable.
Too many CPS stories have had kids harmed by staying in families or with parents that are unfit.
Jesus, your birth mom left you. Get over it.
The Biograndma looks at her and says “I’d never trash you to her because that would hurt *Evelyn*.” Instead of turning to her OWN daughter and saying “Of course it’s not about her! But trashing her would hurt Evelyn!”
🤦♀️ so close but still so far
It’s because she trying and failing to do some form of damage control and what she did on stage is the at the core of the problem with her daughters she has taught them no matter how bad they behave if they feel hurt then the other person is the bad guy and deserves it. NOT YELLING iN CAPS POINTING OUT THE FACTS THAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THE ADOPTIVE MOM DOES NOT ANSWER TO THEM SHE IS NOT THE BABYSITTER OR NANNY THAT THEY CAN HIRE OR FIRE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE HER. SHE THE MOTHER WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO WALL THEM OFF SHE HAS NO DUTY TO KEEP THEM IN Evelyn’s life THEY HAVE TO EARN IT. Based on what I’ve seen they destroyed any chance of being in Evelyn’s life till after she turns 18.
What do you mean? I don't get it
Little girl should be with the mom that actually loves her.
How do you know? It’s a touchy situation! Been around for my sons son and step daughter. Mom was a gad about stripper and slept with any man who showed up! She would get dressed up with makeup and roll her hair and when she did that she dropped the kids at my house and left town headed for New Orleans or where ever! She’d come back months from then stay a week and head out again then she’d call my son beg to come home! He finally said no, no more! Sometime she’d show up see the kids then beg to spend the night and he said no so sometimes she’d call the cops! It was a nightmare that went on till Her son said that’s it I don’t ever want to see you again and He would not talk to her! It’s a sad thing!
@@faydenereed4056 so kids should be in the home with the most love, correct?
@@faydenereed4056 imma answer for you. Yes. Mom should not have given up kid just to come back whenever she feels like being a mom. Point proven. Don't comment when you have not collected context.
@Emily Wickler So nice to hear the thing you said reiterated.
I'm sure Olivia loves her, she's just not fit to take care of her.
Honestly I stand by the adoptive mom’s decision to not let the bio mom see her daughter at the moment. With all the drama the bio mom’s been stirring up, it’s not healthy for the little girl to be exposed to all that right now. If the girl wants to reconnect with her bio mom when she’s an adult, that’s fine. However the bio mom needs to understand that she has no right over the child’s welfare because she legally signed away her parental rights already.
Not to mention her slandering and stalking the adoptive mom online. It really goes to show she isn’t fit to be a parent.... if she can’t handle being told ‘no’ without launching a harassment campaign then I don’t think she should be allowed to care for the child.
Anyone who bad mouths you behind your back...there gonna do it & be toxic towards your child...so anyone whos toxic towards me...they wont be seeing my child...
I was adopted when I was 3 hours old.
My parents told me all the info that they were told about my Biological parents as far back as I can remember. They never tried to hide the fact that I was adopted.
IF I were to meet either of my biological parents, I would refer to them only by their first name.
This show is dealing with a minor child. That child does not have the ability to make decisions of this caliber by any means!!!
The point is that, even if the adoptive mother "screwed them" as bio-mom and grandma said, they don't have any right on the kid anymore, it's done and, considering the slander campaign they did on adoptive-mom, they'll be lucky IF they get to see the kid at all when she turns 18
Exactly(not yelling in caps pointing out) BIo grandma just demonstrated the root of the problem with her daughters SHE CLEARLY TAUGHT THEM NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU BEHAVE OR TREAT SOMEONE IF YOU FEEL HURT ITS THE OTHER PERSON FAULT AND THEY DESERVE IT. Thats not the way the world operates. What they also clearly DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THE ADOPTIVE MOM DOES NOT ANSWER TO THEM NOR DOES SHE OWE THEM A PLACE IN Evalyn”s life and CONSIDERING HOW HER DAUGHTERS ACT BIO GRANDMA IS IN NO POSITION TO BE GRADING ANYONE PARENTING PAPER.
Dr Phil never crossed examed Olivia family.She didn't just adopt this child. Why were they living in a motel. Why were they in foster care also? Why did Olivia's mom lose custody of her own kids? They did this to themselves
If u want rights u should of kept your daughter u gave her up so deal with it
Biological mother was also not doing court ordered programs before her child was adopted.
Adoptive mothers need more protection from the biological mothers and their families. She should not have to go through that. She adopted her child. Period the end. She’s legally her mother. If she doesn’t want trash and chaos in her life, she has a right to not allow it. If it continues the adoptive mother should be allowed to press charges. We need better laws protecting these parents.
I agree
Like what? The laws are already there and any other law created wouldn’t protect the adoptive parents but instead hurt the biological ones or the child involved.
Adoptive mother needs to stand her ground and keep them out of her life
my sister was adopted and when her birth mother showed up at our house on her 13th birthday MY SISTER was the one who told her bio mom to leave. she didn’t want someone who didn’t want her.
I really hope there's more to this story. Adoption can be an incredibly difficult, and often selfless decision to make for bio parents. I hope the kid didn't slam the door on a person who gave her up so that she ( the child) would have a better life.
@@cita_m her mom went to jail for prosecuting my sister. my parents were family friends that’s why she came to us instead of somewhere else. my sister tried for years to have a relationship with her mother but she always chose drugs and men over her. my family took her in and loved her like she was one of us.
Yes, but in this case, the birth mom didn’t give up her child.
@@AnimatedBlast don’t see how that’s relevant here?
This biological mom is crying out in pain and anguish for her daughter. She obviously wants her. This adoption was unfairly rushed. But I do agree that bad mouthing the adoptive mom is wrong also.
Hello, where are all the comments? I'm alone in here lol
The comments were turned off
lmao I was wondering the same thing
Hello
The biological mother made the worst mistake there is to make by trashing the adoptive mother no matter what they think of her.... The biological mother also went and had another child... let it go & move on. There’s no reason for her to keep going on, leave your daughter alone to thrive with her new family. And just be happy that she’s being taken care of.
Exactly it’s ridiculous that the bio family have done nothing but trash the adoptive mom for 5 years and now there trying to play the victim because the adoptive mom will not let them see Evelyn. Even if they somehow get there case in front of a judge because of the bio family conduct towards the adoptive mom a first year law student could prove in about 5 minutes why Evelyn should not be returned to them and why they should not have visitation.
CPS unfairly took the kid, but they're unfairly blaming and mistreating the adoptive mother who was not responsible for them losing their child since it was a closed adoption. That's the plot of the episode.
They trash her to other people.the child will easily pick up the vibe towards her mom.she will hear smack about her mom even if they think she isn't listening.kids are smart.keep them away until she 18.protect her.the mom and daughter are not stable in their emotions.they will mess up the kid.protect the child at...all...cost...
i would NEVER let them see her until shes 18. these people would steal her kid
The kid is theirs
This is a sad story for Olivia and the grandmother and I don't know if they got the shaft from social services or not, but that was then and this is now. They came to Dr. Phil believing that he would help them overturn a legal adoption and get the child back. The child is now adopted for 5 years from the age of 2 and only knows one mother. Imagine not caring about the trauma of ripping the child from the only mother she knows just because another dog has the bone they want. This is not like trying to regain ownership of stolen car. If they *truly* loved the child, they would let her continue to be raised in a loving home. They are three bitter women and I wouldn't let them see my daughter either.
The adoptive mom is a very mature woman!Only thing I wish she would have done differently is when Olivia reached out for years asking how Evelyn was doing sending an email back saying the child is doing fine and maybe one picture. Only thing I think she should have done differently. I think her allowing no contact with Evelyn is her right, but maybe just sending an email one time years later and her stating she would like a closed adoption, Evelyn is doing great, and she will make sure she knows how loved she is everyday and sending one picture.
I think a safer step would've been to meet with Olivia in a neutral setting far away enough that she doesn't have to be worried about being followed. There, they could establish boundaries as needed and meet halfway. However, with Olivia's record of not showing up either on time or at all, that would affect anyone's view of her as it's why the courts didn't find favor with her.
She has no right to see a child she gave away. And whyyyyy can’t a mom go to Vegas??? She can’t have a drink? Come on.
The child didn't get taken away because mom went to bum a pack of cigaretts. She wasn't returned because mom didn't work with CPS for quite a bit of time. This adoptive mother needs to move away from these crazies and let her child live a good life.
The adoptive mother should not allow any of them ever to see the child...EVER !!! This whole family is toxic, especially the grandmother and Aunt... the mother is so young and needs to mature more.
team adoptive mother all the way
How the heck does she still have this child when the mother didn't give up her rights
Olivia either signed away her rights or they were terminated. Either way, Olivia and her family are in the wrong.
Though I agree the adoptive mom shouldn't be attacked or blamed CPS took that child unfairly. I thought the system was supposed to help so that family can stay united. Why not help them with housing and put them on a program and monitor them? I didn't hear any evidence of the child being abused so why adopt her out instead of helping them?
to Adopted I agree 100% with you, you are the child's mom. I would never let that girl or her mother I would never ever let her see her. If I was you never ever see your child, I wouldn't listen to Dr. Phil you do what you think is right!
I think the family was completely wrong to treat the adoptive mom with disrespect. However, I get where Olivia was heartbroken. If she had reached out to this woman for years, and she was just ignored, that had to be heartbreaking. The adoptive mom had every right to not want an open adoption, but instead of ignoring Olivia for years, I don't see why she couldn't respond one email letting Olivia know Evelyn was ok and one picture. I think it would have eased Olivia's mind a lot to hear from Jillian her daughter was doing ok. I do think her trash-talking Jillian years later was wrong, I think Olivia got upset by not getting any response for years and blew up.
The adoptive mother is in the position of not knowing what is best for her adopted daughter in the present because she can’t predict the future mental/emotional state of the child. Resentments aren’t always conscious, and it is what is in the subconscious of the child that these resolutions should be based around. There will always be the birth mother, so better to healthily integrate the pieces of this child’s life into something coherent from as early an age as possible. Legal “rights” do not change the biological and psychic truth that the child will have to DEAL with no matter how righteous one feels about legal standings. They simply don’t matter and the child does. And for what it’s worth Dr. Phil isn’t an adoption competent therapist so this entire process is unhealthy and flawed and not the correct mechanism for deriving what’s best for the child.
If this rings as counterintuitive to you, consider if you are properly studied on the psychology of adoption. This was written by an adoptee.
Just because the child came out of you, doesn't mean that you can tell the adoptive mother what to do.
I would have told the birth mother that if she discredited my reputation, she will not be allowed to visit my child until she is 18.
That actually does mean that. Actually it means you have full, invaluable rights to the child. I applaud the mother for doing everything she can to hurt the woman who stole her child, even at her own expense
The daughter will be looking for her mother on line by the time she's 15.
I agree w the adoptive mother. I wouldn’t let my kid around the birth mom or her family. They are not respecting that the adoptive mom is the child’s mom & has full rights & that’s all the child knows so why would she send her daughter over to ppl who she knows will prob bad mouth her? That would just upset the child. That whole family just doesn’t get it. The adoptive mom should take her daughter and run far away from them.
The Audience is literally getting on my nerves...
The child is in the right place. Be kind be patient and when your baby girl is 18 she will come find you. Otherwise, apologize and keep it moving. the end.
15/16 out of the most recent 22 months adoption becomes an option ..sad mom should have received resources to help with mental health as well as assisting her with shelter instead of just taking her daughter away and allowing someone to adopt her. The foster mom now adoptive mother doesnt have to allow the birth mom to unite nor have a relationship with her child.
What the adoptive mom does on her own time is her business. As long as her baby is taken care of, she can go to Vegas and dance on a table if she wants to. These 2 idiots think raising a baby in a vehicle is ok?? The birth mother is a spoiled brat who is pissed off because she's not getting her own way. Maybe thank Gillian instead of critcising her.
The biological mom and her family are way too immature and definitely seem like they can’t be trusted alone with the kid.. the adoptive mother seems to really want what’s best for her child.
Exactly the bio grandma demonstrated exactly why her daughters turned out the way they did. She has clearly taught her daughters that no matter how bad you behave if you feel hurt it’s the other person fault.
@@PrincessKarrah yes she definitely has taught them to play the victim and it’s horrible.. the way both daughters acted on the show was just ridiculous and if i was the adoptive mother i would never let them near that kid because they seem like they would take her and disappear or something
If adoptive mom chooses not to let them around that’s her right she is her daughter it’s her right that’s not her child she was adopted, ofcourse no mom would want someone around who’s attacking her I just don’t think they get it she’s her mom! yes the other gave birth but that’s it that’s adoptive moms baby. so if she lets them see her that’s out of love for her daughter and the kindness in her heart. But they definitely ain’t entitled to be in her life. so attacking her isn’t smart
Closed adoption is ABHORRENT. Adopting a child is a beautiful act of kindness but that kid will never be your blood relative. Adoptive parents should always be made aware of this.
Hold up who is the woman with red hair, what is her relationship to Evelyn? She seems to just bring in so much drama and get so emotional but for what?
This is hard to watch as someone whose adopted
This family is horrible. The teen mom went on to have more kids. Awful family
WTF where was the grandma,where was the lady who was sheding a crocodile tears from the audience,they seems to love and cares alot for the child where were they at the time when they need to step up like this adoptive mother who dare to stood up and fight for her daughter (adoptive child) from the bio-mom and relatives who attacks,harrassed her, stalking her and trying to defamed her.they should be luck that they didn't get sued for all their toxic and abusive behaviour..shame on them..this sort of things needs to be done systematically and legally...if they were told to pay back the money of all the amount that were spent toward child they will run away leaving the child alone in a heart beat for sure (all of them including the grandma and the bio-mom).
She would not be anywhere near my adopted child until she at least 18.
The birth mother is extremely out of order and a psycho
abigail c
the difference in behavior between the adoptive mom and the bio mom is like night and day. the adoptive mom wants to clear the air and resolve the situation for Evelyn's sake while the bio mom is only doing it for herself
How can DC Superior Court judges Noel Johnson, William Nooter,Mary Rook ,make a fraud neglect case and give my kids up for adoption without my consent
She adopted the child because her biological mother was unfit. They no longer have rights to the child, that’s how it works.
hopefully evelyn can have a relationship with her real mother, and that her adopted mother still stays in her life. its been 6 years since this video came out, hopefully evelyn is alright with her real mother, and her adopted mother as well.
This is sad all around. I feel for the bio mom BIG TIME. I do not understand how others are acting like she's so wrong for wanting a relationship with her child that she lost bc of her mom living in a car and them being poor. That is messed up, there's no amount of cross examination that would make me think that was a reasonable reason to take a child from it's mother. WHY not help the mother? I do think foster care is, especially back then, a big money game and it's sickening!!
The adoptive mother has the rights when her daughter is 18 yes she has the right to see her birth mother
There’s so much that goes on with adoptions . I am not a judge, I do not look upon anyone’s personal affairs and pass judgment. I’ve been on both ends. And it’s a ton of trama that comes with and from adoption on BOTH ENDS. Depending on the situation. Loss. A lot of loss that never goes away for the birth mom. Depression, low self confidence and so on.. and after a certain age children will start to beat on their chest like a ape because of LOSS DIVISION CONFUSION FEELINGS OF REJECTION, low sense of self and so forth. But like I say just all depends on the situation
From the clips I've watched (i haven't watched the episode, so pardon if i make a mistake), Jyllian never portraited Olivia as a bad person in front of the little girl.
the real issue is the best interest of the child. clearly ti stay with the only mother she has ever known, and adopted her completely legally. the behavior of bio mom and grandmom shows they cannot be reasonable or fair to the adoptive mother. By the way, grandmom would normally have been given right to foster/adopt child-but she was too drugged up/messed up at that time to care for the child. Seems bio mom and grandmom are a healthier now, but too bad. it us done. the adoptive mother would have likely allowed contact with bio mom if she had not (and continues to) act so inappropriately. I suppose the facrt that having a child at 16 and then another father is missing child at 18 does not disqualify here, but shows her judgement is still lousy. she shouod tru birth conytil til she is in a better place emotionally...
She gave up the rights, so the adoptive mother has every right to say no
She didn’t, she was screwed by the system real bad as a teenager. She could sue the state for an illegal adoption, but because it’s been over five years, no judge will give her her child back because the child has bonded with the adoptive mom. It would do more harm than good for the kid.
It’s not an illegal adoption.
@@Free2LoveDorks lmaooo little girl go away
I don't understand why the audience is clapping for Julia and Olivia.
I wouldn’t even tell my adopted child they were adopted.
I think the bio mum loves her kid but she’s going the wrong way about it. She needs to work on herself and the bio gran and be a bit more respectful to jyllian and maybe she will let her be with her kid.
Can someone tell me who the woman crying in the audience is. Please I’m trying to understand this story
Im not completely sure but im assuming its the biological mothers sister.
What episode is this? I wanna watch the whole thing
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The adoptive person is not and will never replace a real mother something might have happend no one know all the truth but them when that girl turns 18/she can meet her real trie mother and talk to her whatever the adopted lady likes it or not..he real name is what her real mother named her
Adoptive parents are REAL parents! They raised the child! You dont know anything about what it means to be a parent
Family is about more than biology.
you never had overly-strict/Abusive parents, didn't you?
Manipulating women into giving up their child is soo wrong. Especially in the postpartum period, when she’s very fragile and emotionally incoherent.
It’s very wrong in so many levels. We need to help mothers and children be together not help separate them.
The bio family could have adopted the child. They don't have rights to the child
I wish the audience would stop clapping for the non sense 😅wth going the episode
I think all three of them are trying to pull a scam of some sort. I fully support the adoptive mom!!!!I wish Dr. Phil would cross exam them.
The fact that going completely over the bio family head here is whether they like it or not whether they think it’s fair or not Julian is the mother she not a nanny or a babysitter that they can hire or fire because they don’t like her. The more they attack her the more they insure that they will not be apart of Evelyn life until she 18.
None in the biological mother’s entourage seemed to have the best interest of the child in mind. They came on Dr Phil to attack and attempt to humiliate and intimidate the adoptive mother. They thought they would get Dr Phil on their side. They tried to manipulate Dr Phil. Hilarious Epic Fail.
The real mother is a drama queen o my god lady come on
:39 She tries really hard to cry and then gives up. 🤣🤣 When are people going learn you can’t come on this show and manipulate the situation to make it seem like you’re the victim
The adoptive mom looks like a pretty sims character
Should of gone for an open adoption if you wanted contact with them in the future.
Evelyn is not here.... doesn't matter if she's there or not! That woman is the only mother she knows.
I'm adopted....I am not a fan of open adoption like some have it. Adoptive parents are not foster parents or caregiver. They are PARENTS. I think things should be like they are where I'm from in NZ. Adoption records open at age 21. No contact before that
Why are the two daughters only crying come on
The sister in the crowd is wild
Anyone follow her when she clapping
After adoption, the child belongs to the adoption parent! I don't know how you can give up your child but want to remain as a parent 😒
To be honest if the daughter wants to meet her biological mother then so be it she's her own person and its her biological mother, I think the daughter has the cards and if she wants to meet her mother or see her again then let her.
At the time of this show, the daughter was ~6 or so. When she's older she should absolutely meet her mom if she wants to; in the meantime, when she's too young to understand the issues surrounding her bio-family and at risk of being negatively influenced by them, it's the adopted mother's right and responsibility to make that choice for her.
If they fill they wet wronged go to court.
It's sad that both mums could not both come together and have a responsible conversation with each other without trashing each other. And talk about what's best for the child? Both are real mums in their own rights and ways. Sounds like the little girl was asking questions about her birth mum. But in a brief moment, we will never know all the details.
Dear Adoptive Mother,
Please dont give them your daughter.. Please.. im begging you! these people are psychotic.
Regards!
I feel like there were huge wrongs done on both sides, Olivia, as a young woman and mother, said things she shouldn't have (especially on the internet). And (if it's true) Jyllian should not have told a young, scared, uninformed teen mother that she would keep contact if she wasn't actually going to do it.
This biological mother crossing the line, but I wonder is Evelyn has seen this???
BIO Mom did NOT sign her rights away.
Watch the rest of this show.
Her rights were stripped from her bc she was too young.
Now shes older and she has never stopped trying to get back into her daughter's life.
She should stop. She's an immature awful bimbo who should never see Evelyn again.
Even if your statement is agreeable, she tried getting back into her daughter’s life in the most uncivil ways possible. The solution to getting back into her life was to be friends with the adoptive mother. Instead, this woman stalked and slandered her on social media, conspiring with her mother (child’s grandmother) in the process. Speaking of the grandmother, she set a very poor example for her daughter by going along with her motives.
@@jpl4136 oh I'm not disagreeing with you at all! Just can't stand these people who keep wanting to comment that she voluntarily forfeited her rights.
That being said, I don't feel that the government should be able to take someone's children away. I'm not saying some kids shouldn't be removed and placed in more loving homes either! I just wish it was more of a community effort to look out for them...
It takes a village though and if modern day communities had any semblance to generations past, there wouldn't be as much injustice towards parents OR their children.
But you're not wrong by any means.
@@inthelandofmorethansmall7582 completely understandable and I’m not disagreeing with you either. It’s a sad situation and I can tell the biological mom truly wanted to be a part of her daughter’s life in some way shape or form. But this is exactly why I believe only married people should be having children, not young teenagers. She was way too young and not in good financial standing to be having a child. However, I’m NOT saying she gave up her rights voluntarily.
@@jpl4136 Absolutely agree with you there!
Had my first at 17. Granted I did get married and that didn't help, but hindsight is 20/20...
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My Son is 21 now and a wonderful young man! But I know I could've made many less mistakes with him if I'd been older, wiser, and more mindful of my choices.
very toxic bio mom she wants her toy back very immature
It's hard for me to not side with the biological mother because I'm a mother and I don't really care if an adoptive mom felt offended by what I said the mother might be unstable a bit but she was 16, and people deserve a chance to change, but that being said I have my kids so idk it's hard to not side with a seemingly okay parent. And don't come at me with some dumb "wel what if she beat her child would you side with her then" type of comment or anything like that.
I feel for the bio mom, but ultimately once you sign the papers you sign away all your rights to even visits.
If you want to see that child for 18 years, then raise it, but adoptive parents don’t owe anything.
Exactly the bio mum deserves a chance to see her. And if the adopted mum stops the adopted child from having a relationship with their real mum once they turn 18 then the adopted mum is very selfish
on the other hand the real mum should not bad mouth the adopted mum,because to the child the adopted mum would be her real mum,so both mum have faults here
But a child should not be stopped from meeting their birth mum once they turn 18
I am 100% on the birth families side. The adoptive mom probably paid the Dr Phil show a lot of money to be portrayed as the "good person".