Why I Failed my Garage Addition Rough In Electrical

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  • Quick rundown of why I failed the rough in electrical inspection
    I am not a professional, just a DIYer with perspective.

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  • @GradertJ
    @GradertJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Good tip is to always do grounds first then neutrals over the grounds and hots last over the grounds and neutrals. This applied in every box including outlets. That's so if anyone ever has to service your work the first thing they deal with is the wire that is hot.

    • @DEtchells
      @DEtchells 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s a great tip, thanks! (I just did some diy outlets and put the grounds at the back, but didn’t think about putting the neutrals under the hots. NBD, as they’re likely never going to be opened up again, but good to know going forward!)

    • @mrniusi11
      @mrniusi11 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks

  • @bolland83
    @bolland83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Hot and neutral (feeders) are reversed in your sub panel, the white striped wire should be neutral, solid black & red stripe should be hots. Make sure you fix it at the other end as well.

    • @garagekeys
      @garagekeys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think those whites you see going to the breakers are the white wires for the GFCI breaker

    • @bolland83
      @bolland83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@garagekeys Talking about the feeders coming into the top of the panel, the large wire with the white stripe is feeding one of the bus bars through the main breaker at the top. The solid black is on the neutral bus bar. Pause the vid at exactly 1:07 and you'll see what I'm talking about.

    • @garagekeys
      @garagekeys 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bolland83 ok now I see what you mean. Yeah I am with you on that one, does not seem legit to me either.

    • @joshd605
      @joshd605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He can always tape the wires rather than swapping them around. NEC allows you to redefine conductors #4 and larger but yes definitely swap that around.

    • @vince9051
      @vince9051 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I was staring at this whole time and it never got brought up.

  • @alliedfederalelectriccorp3469
    @alliedfederalelectriccorp3469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I commend and applaud you for securing a permit. I thank you for taking the time to show the violations. So many contributors show the good stuff done right. It's actually refreshing to have you take time to detail your efforts. Also, your inspector is a good one to point out violations without being condescending. For anyone looking to bypass the system; it may work, you may get away with it. Best case you did. Worse case you die. Fire is a horrible way to go.

    • @gungadingo
      @gungadingo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And... your insurance company is always looking for a way to deny any claim, electrical related or not.

    • @spvillano
      @spvillano 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still, he did quite well initially, some of his gaffes I'd probably would've made.

  • @tomfink2763
    @tomfink2763 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Red and black wires go to main breaker, black and white to common bar

    • @markcarson8566
      @markcarson8566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was thinking the same thing

    • @rupe53
      @rupe53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      it would appear the GFCI breakers didn't come with pigtails (or they weren't long enough) and he extended them. You can use white wires instead of red for 240 volts if you reidentify them with red tape at both ends. (might be the full length inside a panel)

    • @N-hunter
      @N-hunter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@rupe53 he’s talking about the panel feeders.

    • @rupe53
      @rupe53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@N-hunter ....Now that I look at it again, you are right. It's easier to see at the start of the video when I wasn't focused in on the problems yet.

    • @SuperVstech
      @SuperVstech 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes, he has the neutral feeder connected to L1 and the solid black conductor connected to the neutral… that is VERY bad, and must be swapped.

  • @number1pappy
    @number1pappy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Yeah, I failed my first electrical inspection over not having tamper proof outlets. I will also add that tamper resistant outlets are a pain in the butt! My wife absolutely hates them because it's really hard to plug things in! I did find that if you plug something in them multiple times it does eventually loosen up a small bit. But it's been over a year for us and they are still annoying 🙄

    • @dennisp5302
      @dennisp5302 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hey! You stole my thunder!👍. I also hate tamper resistant receptacles. I have also had difficulty plugging into those tamper resistant receptacles. 😩

    • @DisasterInExile
      @DisasterInExile 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's not the receptacle that gives you trouble. It's the blades on the device you're plugging in. File the sharp edges off. Thank me later.

    • @pukeschannel6882
      @pukeschannel6882 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      When they first came out with tamper proof outlets,.I really had a lot of unhappy customers. Most of them older and retired.

    • @ag-om6nr
      @ag-om6nr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You have to blame those whining Pedatricians and ER Doctors who were tired of dealing with electrocuted , or injured children who were playing with standard electrical outlets !

    • @number1pappy
      @number1pappy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@ag-om6nr I might point out that ground fault circuits have been around for years. But yeah let's not blame the parents for not paying attention to thier kids! While we are at it let's all walk around in Kevlar crash suits ,you know, just in case! Lol! Let's take out any and all potential injurious obstacles to the point it's almost impossible to perform any normal activities! And while we are at it let's go ahead and give even the losers in children's sports trophys so the losers never have to feel disappointment! Oh wait......lol!!!

  • @JMjayesim
    @JMjayesim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Very mature attitude and Competence will get you far. Great vid

  • @garybrown7044
    @garybrown7044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    the best thing to do with an old breaker panel is to throw it out. code changes over the years have made them useless. i was an electrical inspector for 22 years in a major ohio city. i got along with most of my permit holders. arguing with an inspector is like wrestling with a pig-they enjoy it.

    • @arlenmargolin4868
      @arlenmargolin4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well I think I'm going to take you up on that suggestion I've got to house upstate New York in the middle of nowhere that's got to be 250 years old I think it's a 30 amp panel that's in there but I think it's time to just redo that sucker even though I've made do with it

  • @SquirrelsForAll
    @SquirrelsForAll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! Thanks for creating and sharing. Your work looks great.

  • @mikeiver
    @mikeiver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Always drives me up the wall to open a panel and see that the installer used the neutral color for one of the hot legs! First thing I noticed from the picture, that and the ground bonding screw in there from the neutral to the chassis. A couple of hours on Mike holt and you should be able to glean enough to get thru an inspection for this sort of an addition.

    • @jay9308
      @jay9308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      First thing I noticed as well. I'm surprised that inspector let that slide. Definitely a violation to use white for hot and black for neutral

  • @johnmurphyable
    @johnmurphyable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    thank you for making this video. We all learn from each other!

  • @jamesmckee7863
    @jamesmckee7863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thats how you learn. I admire your work. Great job.

  • @user-vp1sc7tt4m
    @user-vp1sc7tt4m 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Electrical code is all about saving lives and property. Kudos to inspectors and all of us doing the installation right as best we can!

    • @kennethcarroll5420
      @kennethcarroll5420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you notice his service feeder connections? Not good!!

  • @rhtservicesllc
    @rhtservicesllc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    On the incoming feed, I would have used the all black and red/black wire for the incoming hots and white/black for the neutral. Reason being a black or red wire normally indicates that it is hot and white normally indicates that it is neutral. The configuration that you have could be seen as being wired incorrectly given these reasons.
    As for the GFCIs, they should not be connected to each other. Only need one at the beginning of the circuit to protect the remainder of the ciruit. Other option would be to use a GFCI breaker. Two GFCIs connected to each other will have issues because the first one in line will see a difference caused by the second one and trip unnecessarily.

    • @larry8904
      @larry8904 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Actually, the white wire in the feeder MUST be used as the neutral per the NEC. I can't believe the inspector missed that.

    • @jeffreyspence2510
      @jeffreyspence2510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@larry8904 Inspectors are inspectors for only 1 reason.

    • @jfbeam
      @jfbeam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@larry8904 That was my first thing, too. However, it's not _solid_ white, so I could see the inspector allowing it. (the a**hole inspectors around here would NOT.)

    • @jfbeam
      @jfbeam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jeffreyspence2510 Well, two... sometimes they're retired sparky's. (but those are about 1% of the market.)

    • @arlenmargolin4868
      @arlenmargolin4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jfbeam I don't know why they call it a code when it seems like every town has their own separate code so shouldn't they call it something else besides a code

  • @billc6087
    @billc6087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job. Reminded me of my experiences about 20yrs ago.

  • @CA-lk6fd
    @CA-lk6fd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I agreed with the inspector except for one thing, WR plugs in the garage. In your installation the plugs aren’t exposed to weather. If that was the case, he should’ve made you put outside plug covers on them also. I’ve been doing commercial and residential electrical work for 25 years this year, I’ve seen a lot of changes in codes and wiring methods, some good and some bad. You did a pretty good job for a DIYer. I’ve seen and fixed a lot of wiring that people have installed that shouldn’t even be allowed to change a lightbulb.

    • @arlenmargolin4868
      @arlenmargolin4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I must admit when you hook up with a good electrician he's worth his weight in gold they can save you time money headaches divorce Insanity you name it

    • @duduudu4463
      @duduudu4463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mandatory Light for storage area like under the stair. Provide code section cause I don’t think it exists.
      WR receptacles indoor was a waste of cash.
      Other than that great job

    • @lanway95
      @lanway95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@duduudu4463 I would like to see about the light as well , plus him having to change the outlets I'm sure he had to replace the wiring with nmc to be compliant.

    • @darbyl3872
      @darbyl3872 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      2017 NEC Article 210.70 (A)(3)

    • @WizzRacing
      @WizzRacing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Local Ordnance can add anything they want above the NEC requirements. I seen many an Electrician get burned by that assumption..Then have to go back rip it out. Just to do it all over again....
      Why I talk with my Inspectors. As there was no damn way I was driving a 10 foot ground rod into Solid Grant.. Unless you have someone come out and bore a 10 foot hole with a diamond bit....He let me cut it off at 2 feet...After 9 hours of hammering on it..

  • @garrydurfey9700
    @garrydurfey9700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Working on wiring my shop right now. Thanks for the heads up

  • @heroknaderi
    @heroknaderi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow. Good to know. and espacially for the light and 3 way switch thing.

  • @scotts4125
    @scotts4125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I built a house as an owner builder. Being I wasn't in the building trades most of the inspectors gave me a lot of leeway and also advice. I had all licensed trades on the jobsite. More times than not, when we failed they would pass me if I gave them my word I would have the problem fixed. When they left a sistered truss out not so much. :) I just took a humbling attitude towards them. My BIL is a large commercial builder who gave me his subs and handled all the accounting and paperwork. He would argue with inspectors and also ask for hearings if they wanted something off the books. That really pissed him off. If it only had 2 zeros behind it I didn't care. I just wanted to move on. In the end it turned out well and I learned so much from the experience. My current home was built by a large builder and my experience lead me to catch a few major mistakes they missed.

    • @arlenmargolin4868
      @arlenmargolin4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a major thing to do put a house together I managed to find a $5,000 disaster in an old city and attempted to tear this thing apart even though it was empty for 60 years and pretty much stripped of every window door pipe wire I mean it was basically some sticks on top of a stone foundation so I had myself some education for sure but it ended up being some beautiful looking little place for sure I don't want to say how long it took me

  • @shockingguy
    @shockingguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good job, doing some home remodel stuff is definitely a learning process, Being honest always work even with the inspectors ha ha, but doing clean and orderly work also gets big bonus points with inspectors. Good video 👍

    • @arlenmargolin4868
      @arlenmargolin4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I always noticed that about electricians they really pride themselves in total neatness I guess every trade likes to make their work look neat even Masons

  • @raymondgarafano8604
    @raymondgarafano8604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I kind of figured that was going to happen, no separation of neutral and ground in SUB panel.
    but hey you learned a few things and it all worked out good.

  • @Frank5
    @Frank5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Violation: on the incoming subfeeder, you used the white wire for one of the hots and the black wire for neutral. Those are opposite!

    • @dennisvolpe4805
      @dennisvolpe4805 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Baljdeep Invajuna lol I love when electricians make it seem like residential electrical is too hard for a normal person to do. It's simple stuff. If he was so over confident then he wouldn't bother getting it inspected. He's clearly doing it himself because he wants to learn, and he can save money in the process.

    • @nukiepoo
      @nukiepoo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dennisvolpe4805No, it’s not rocket science, but not knowing code could kill or injure someone. If someone tripped and fell down those stairs because of a lack of 3-way switching, that would be no “LOL” matter.

    • @ianbelletti6241
      @ianbelletti6241 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. He needs to have lighting over the stairs with 3 way switching at the top and bottom. Nothing says that he can't have the same two switches operate the general lighting for the room at the same time. Whether or not he does that would depend on the purpose and design of the room.

    • @plutoyaldnil4750
      @plutoyaldnil4750 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was what struck me how did that not get mentioned?

    • @turboflush
      @turboflush 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is it really a code violation?
      There are common colors used for situations.
      Hopefully the legs atleast match to the main house.

  • @markchidester6239
    @markchidester6239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Real men can admit their mistakes.
    Even better men are willing to make a video and tell everyone.
    Good job!

    • @BeeHiverson
      @BeeHiverson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Trans men don’t because they don’t have the balls

  • @brianb9410
    @brianb9410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job! Thanks for the info.

  • @jeffreywolf5235
    @jeffreywolf5235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the video and the tips on why you failed.

  • @andrewdiamond2697
    @andrewdiamond2697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I only made one of those mistakes - it was on the WR/TR outlets. But dang, I didn't have to use WR inside the garage - only on the exterior outlets on the outside walls. I originally did the outside covers only.

  • @jebcommon2332
    @jebcommon2332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A very helpful video.

  • @robertbamford8266
    @robertbamford8266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Good and common sense. Once you hear it for the first time. Thanks for providing a first time. Did a refurb on an outside staircase. The valuable lesson learned from the building code was “continuous graspability.” (Fortunately - learned about it before.)

  • @jimanderson4495
    @jimanderson4495 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the upload.

  • @123mjolie
    @123mjolie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the info!

  • @splinter359
    @splinter359 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I second Stokes's comment below about swapping the white striped feeder with the black feeder. I'm surprised the inspector didn't catch that.

    • @RichR65Ct
      @RichR65Ct 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's saving that one for his return visit lol.

  • @Darenator1
    @Darenator1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Instead of an expensive GFCI breaker, you could have used GFCI blank face device. (Looks like a recep, but no holes, just test buttons) 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a breaker. I use those to feed jacuzzi tubs in bathroom so if the GFCI trips you don't have to leave the bathroom to reset it.

    • @stevebabiak6997
      @stevebabiak6997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@sonacphotos - when you “slave” all downstream receptacles from the GFCI device, it accomplishes the same result.

    • @lucash1980
      @lucash1980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No need to get a blank face GFCI, a regular GFCI works the same and can be even cheaper. You can do the same with AFCI. I was told that code (local) required the conductors from breaker to receptacle to be protected (bx cable), and it's good practice since that first length is only protected by the "dumb" breaker. All new circuits are supposed to be installed with AFCI protection now...but its a pain in the @ss, especially with older equipment, because they trip for the slightest spark.

    • @stevebabiak6997
      @stevebabiak6997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lucash1980 - I think the blank face was suggested to avoid having to put in a tamper proof device. But yes, a standard GFCI has the ability also.

    • @arlenmargolin4868
      @arlenmargolin4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I live in some kind of weird mobile unit that's got weird gfy setups if the porch trips up the bathroom outlet shuts down I finally figured it out

    • @stevebabiak6997
      @stevebabiak6997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@arlenmargolin4868 - are you saying that you have a GFCI in the bathroom that loses power when the GFCI on the porch trips? If that is the case, then that is not compliant with normal building codes (I don’t know about the mobile home codes).

  • @markoconnor7381
    @markoconnor7381 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice video, great looking panel!

  • @TomCee53
    @TomCee53 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s always a good idea to check with your inspector before starting. Since codes and regulations vary from place to place, it’s best to ask ahead. They are generally helpful and are glad to discuss plans with you before starting. I’m not licensed but I do handyman work and have dealt with a number of inspectors. They are primarily interested in homeowner safety, mostly coming from construction or fire protection backgrounds.

  • @DEtchells
    @DEtchells 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the tips. See the notes about the hot and neutral swap on the panel (as noted, ok to label and leave them, but be sure to check the other end either way). Other notes are helpful, didn’t know about the GFCI requirement for outlets over slab, nor the (new?) requirement for tamper-proof low outlets.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      Varies by jurisdiction and Code base.

  • @talbertadams6586
    @talbertadams6586 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Very good video. Great attitude. If you care to pursue a career in electrical work, I believe you would do well.

  • @larryestrada5418
    @larryestrada5418 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @howtodoitdude1662
    @howtodoitdude1662 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @robertapreston4200
    @robertapreston4200 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did excellent.... so a few miniscule issues... eh... great job and keep up the great videos

  • @bradmaas6875
    @bradmaas6875 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did mine also, and on the overhead lights they had me put in GFCI outlets on a 10' ceiling

  • @jstone1211
    @jstone1211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I do not agree with the WR receptacles. Most receptacles are now TR which has become a standard. I totally agree with the GFCI breakers and/or receptacles. What burns my a$$ is the new arc flash requirements. I am a semi-retired electrical engineer turned electrician (passed my test Aug 2021) and it is all about knowing the rules.

    • @m16ty
      @m16ty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, the arc fault are a pain. Seems they sometimes trip for no apparent reason, and it makes filling a panel with breakers insanely expensive.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Many in the industry grumbled over GFCIs when they were mandated... but they are an every day safety device that have proved themselves time and time again.
      AFCI... not an every day safety device. Home fires are just not that common. Return on investment has to be a factor. They've been mandated in the NEC for 20+ years now. I want to see the numbers on how house fires have declined in that 20 years. I cannot find that information.

  • @Bremend
    @Bremend 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This makes me realize how many current code violations are grandfathered into my garage...

  • @pismo6111
    @pismo6111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good to know the reason or why, of the 3 way switch thing and light in a enclosed storage.area.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      That light under the stairway landing is a joke.

  • @rty1955
    @rty1955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are so correct. Many nuances to the code that as a homeowner, you are not aware of. I am glad you took care of all the issues the inspector found. Inspectors are there to make sure you do things in a safe manner.
    Before I do things, I try to review everything I need to, so I dont have to re-do them. A lot of lost time & money can happen if u dont

    • @arlenmargolin4868
      @arlenmargolin4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes if you're lucky you can meet with an inspector and take him out for a drink or a sandwich and he'll sit and tell you exactly where he's going to bust your balls

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      This isn't a manor, it's a garage. *_*wink*_*

    • @rty1955
      @rty1955 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jovetj that's no excuse for unsafe conditions. Do it right the first time. Unless there are people that enjoy re-doing their work all the time

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rty1955 You wrote "a safe manor"... you presumably meant "a safe manner". I was making a small joke at your expense. I regret you didn't get it.
      Your original posting's point is sound, though.

    • @rty1955
      @rty1955 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jovetj I stand corrected amd corrected my mistake. I originally left off one "n" and it autocorrected. Ugh.
      Its now corrected. Thanks

  • @westhavenor9513
    @westhavenor9513 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for being forthright and sharing with us your mistakes. The pros have hammered you in the comments, but I will tell you they aren't perfect either. I've found a buttload of code violations in my 1980's/remodeled home. Previous owner used only "licensed contractors" and obtained permits for everything. I mean really stupid ones, like 20A CB's feeding 14g cable, two wires under one CB screw, etc.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some circuit breakers are listed (by the manufacturer and QC agency, e.g. UL) for two wires under the screw. So, that isn't automatically wrong.

  • @turboflush
    @turboflush 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Exactly. Codes are there to help and be safe. It sucks when the city wants to be a pain over silly things though.
    Diyer should have inapection to ensure their own and families safety. Contractors get inspected so that the homeowner can have piece of mind.

  • @griznatle
    @griznatle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm a framer. first thing I noticed is the stair stringer are bearing on the step and not the heel. that's a huge nono. especially when it's a dimensional and not engineered stringer. all you need to do to fix that is put a header under the heel.
    that's gonna fail super fast.

    • @fredjones1238
      @fredjones1238 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      saw that too just didn't want to mention it . It looks like a couple of 2 xs have been added on landing to catch stingers.

  • @94thaerosquadron3
    @94thaerosquadron3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like that you’re humble! Most you would really hear in their voice.

  • @briandavis7811
    @briandavis7811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks !

  • @mos8541
    @mos8541 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    VERY good, thats why we take exams on JUST the NEC

  • @kennethread5637
    @kennethread5637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice neat work. I have a background along the same as you
    Don’t think much about it. Industrial is so different than residential. I have been scolded over the years

  • @niveknospmoht8743
    @niveknospmoht8743 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just replaced my main panel to a 400a service. That was quite a fiasco, but I was informed that a surge protector is now required on new installs. So..about 150.00 later, I now have a surge protector covering my whole house. When I wire in the other 200 available, I'll have to get another for the shop panel

  • @scottdowney4318
    @scottdowney4318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting why the colors on the incoming feeder cable were not failed. Red and Black are hot and the white with black ought to be neutral, the wire function determined by the stripes. And that also means change them in the main panel to match subpanel.

  • @joserivera6523
    @joserivera6523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Depends what size panels box you need

  • @nayivisdenis1401
    @nayivisdenis1401 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks you for shared

  • @Mercy-lb5rq
    @Mercy-lb5rq 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you

  • @stokes771
    @stokes771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nice video, you need to swap the white/black feeder wire and the solid black feeder wire. The neutral bar should have the white one. Also, hard to tell but it looks as if you have some blacks going into the neutral bar, that should not be the case. Otherwise great job. (but switch those service cable wires)...

    • @rogerstruthers3799
      @rogerstruthers3799 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, it looks like he has white wires into breakers. How is that going to work, it doesn't.

    • @mokeimusic
      @mokeimusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rogerstruthers3799 240?

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      There's no imminent problem if the wrong wires are used consistently at each end. It's a Code violation because it _looks_ bad, and doesn't adhere to wire color standards.

    • @stokes771
      @stokes771 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jovetj of course you are correct. As long as it’s consistent, the electricity doesn’t care what color the wire is, but you hit the nail on the head; consistent. Plus, it’s not so much for you as the next guy that has to work on it.

  • @Patrick_Cashman
    @Patrick_Cashman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good info, thanks for sharing. The one about the tamper-proof receptacles below a certain height must be a new one; there have to be gazillions of non-tamper-proof ones in houses everywhere.
    Live and learn.

  • @aufklarungfahnestock3584
    @aufklarungfahnestock3584 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have the unmarked black conductor that should be white on the neutral bus and the white continuously marked conductor on one of the hot buses…

    • @rhtservicesllc
      @rhtservicesllc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. When I saw white connected to the bus I said thats wired wrong.

  • @richardanderson8627
    @richardanderson8627 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job

  • @harrybyard7272
    @harrybyard7272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t believe the inspector missed that!

  • @j.a.r.family2576
    @j.a.r.family2576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Have you been addressed on the main breaker termination? Not being a know it all but I feel like you have some in the wrong location. Looks good. Hope you enjoy it

  • @ed370zx3
    @ed370zx3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you leaving that OSB exposed? I wanted to do that in my garage to mount stuff but it is not fire code rated. My AHJ has 5/8 fire x Sheetrock against the garage walls that meet a outside living space wall.

  • @keithharrington4595
    @keithharrington4595 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you are a diy'er, the 2020 NEC requires 210.8 (A).(2). that recepticles in the garage to be gfci protected. And, 210.52.(G).(1). Requires a recepticle in each garage bay not above 5 1/2 above the floor.
    Run 20 amp wires from the panel to each of the required car bay recepticles (2 separate nm cables). Use these gfci's to supply/protect your garage door opener recepticles (line/load). This gets you the required protection and a reset you do not need to stand on your car to operate.....meeting the gfci "accessibility requirements" in NEC section 100.
    You could tie both circuits together in your panel and pigtail to one breaker to meet today''s requirements or put them as separate circuits 20 amp circuits for a garage that needs a lot of power.
    The recepticle version of gfci are about half the cost of the breaker version.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      Not all AHJs use the same edition of the Code. (My state is on 2017, for example.) Not all AHJs allow pigtails in a service panel.

    • @keithharrington4595
      @keithharrington4595 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jovetj you are correct and the NEC even allows the ahj to adjust or even throw out all the NEC rules. I know North Dakota has an added rules pamphlet of about 60 pages. It adds ground rods in light pole bases, height requirements for service equipment to avoid snow covering it, it Tweeks the voltage drop requirements, and many more.
      When I quote the NEC it is because some places allow for legal action against licensed people for bad advice or improper advice. I generally leave code sections as my reference, allow diy'ers and others to look up and verify. I would hope they are still phoning their ahj or local people for the best pathway forward.
      Just be careful not to justify not doing something I reference in a 2020 code. An example.... GFCI protection for car charger receptacles (section 625.54) came before 2020, maybe 2017, maybe 2014, maybe earlier. If you know how they indicate code changes in the book, you should understand this paragraph I wrote here.
      I do appreciate your input though.

  • @MrIan3333
    @MrIan3333 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    for code you also need to tape your neutrals white.

  • @rogerwhiting9310
    @rogerwhiting9310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Electrical code is EXTREMELY picky. Its almost impossible to pull off a home/ garage inspection without having an expert guiding you. Sometimes you can find licensed electricians that will just do the devices...you install the boxes and run the wires. They can tell you what wire to run where...and they have plenty to do with drilling holes and pounding in boxes. They absolutely FLY when they connect the devices...so it can be much more reasonably priced. The newest NEC wants EVERY circuit arc fault protected. That means EVERY breaker is electronic and costs in the $80 range. It adds THOUSANDS to the price.

    • @denali9449
      @denali9449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And, local knowledge is extremely important. For example I know of dozens of jurisdictional and two entire states where the arc fault requirements are amended out of the NEC at the local level. Another conflict which I think has finally been resolved was the use of NM cable in assembly occupancies or above the fourth floor of a building. Another conflict was the use of 2" risers out of a panel board stuffed with NM cable instead of attaching each cable to the panel. Local knowledge . . .

    • @MrIan3333
      @MrIan3333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      states only adopt so much of the nec. arc faults are only code for bedrooms and lighting here in my state.

    • @rogerwhiting9310
      @rogerwhiting9310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MrIan3333 I asked my electrician....S..about that. I was told that NEC means every state ie National. When I built my home in 2000 in Massachusetts it was for living areas like you describe. I was quoted that "every circuit is to be protected by arc fault including 50amp for stove and 30 amp for electric dryer." I priced one for $150 and it was out of stock. I think its ridiculous for everything. Just drives high prices higher.

    • @MrIan3333
      @MrIan3333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rogerwhiting9310 massachusetts is one of those states that is doing this. but hey, y'all get to save half a cent on insurance.

    • @rogerwhiting9310
      @rogerwhiting9310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrIan3333 it is a VERY regulated state.

  • @pb5640
    @pb5640 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks

  • @GoatZilla
    @GoatZilla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't understand the light for the confined storage area. I have some small closets that don't have lights, so is there some additional minimum size requirement?

  • @smeado3533
    @smeado3533 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude, you also switched the neutral with one of the hots going into the main panel breaker. How did the inspector miss that???

  • @ripjohnson2121
    @ripjohnson2121 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't fell bad a lot of people learn the hard way, neat job .

  • @anthonyhitchings1051
    @anthonyhitchings1051 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those striped feeds to the panel are weird - since when did that become the way to do it?.

  • @tonyfosler260
    @tonyfosler260 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thinking about adding a sub panel in my garage addition. Is it a code violation to run 4/0 wire from my existing panel through interior walls?

  • @kevint1910
    @kevint1910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    one thing DIYers don't know is that the code book is not your enemy it is an actual tool that is set up to be used as a field reference guide no one can remember all that stuff and no one is expected to. code books are not that expensive AND there are as many exceptions to the code as there are sections because almost all of them have multiple exceptions. in this case the inspector was on the mark , that sort of an installation is pretty basic but there are inspectors and they there are inspectors. they are not all trained on the actual code they just have a punch list of specific items they look for along with the other punch lists they have to look at and the kicker is not that they may cause you to correct things that are not wrong NOPE the issue is that they miss things and YOU are they one actually responsible for the safety of the installation!
    the inspector and the regulating agency are specifically indemnified from any potential liability for any of the work preformed EVEN the things they tell you to do in a correction in almost all cases so if they are wrong about that and it causes a fire or an electrocution it is YOU on the hook so do NOT depend on them to check your work ever and even double check to make sure that the correction its self IS correct. technically they are NOT suppose to be telling you HOW to make the correction just what needs to be corrected along with the code section violated , it is when they opine about the how part that the line gets blurred
    any way grats on getting your rough signed off looks like a nice little addition and dont feel too bad about the corrections no one catches everything every time and the inspectors tend to think they haven't done their job if they don't gig you for something so they tend to keep looking until they find anything they can call a correction even if it is just adding a staple while they stand there and watch.

  • @gregmartin1757
    @gregmartin1757 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it appears you have your neutral on a hot lug and a hot leg on the neutral lug .also that is technically a sub panel so the grounds and neutrals have to be separate and not bonded together. Thats why you need to remove that screw it's a bonding screw.

  • @advil000
    @advil000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good fix especially now. Homeline GFCI 20a breakers are $53 EACH currently. Utter insanity. You can buy 10 packs of UL listed 20a GFCI receptacles for $82... $8.20 EACH and they'll protect all your downstream outlets just as well. If that's the best the industry can do for pricing and availability then these codes need to be abolished. You have to draw a line somewhere. You don't automatically enforce by law a 6.5x increase in price in the name of a minor safety improvement. If you applied that to every single aspect of life you'd never be able to afford anything ever. Bring down the breaker cost and I'd RATHER use them. They're more elegant. Better idea entirely. But why in Hades do they cost so much more? It SHOULD be the price of a standard breaker (About $6.50) plus the cost of adding the GFCI outlet features (about $8.20) for a TOTAL of $14.70. NOT $53! For that matter if they were $20 at a $5 premium I'd still gladly use the breaker for the convenience.

    • @ricoludovici2825
      @ricoludovici2825 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just priced breakers at HD and L yesterday. Conventional breakers of the kind from 10 years ago or so were anywhere from $6 to $10. The new ones - CAFI, GFI, dual function - were ALL $100 more. Crazy.

  • @keithharrington8715
    @keithharrington8715 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a tradesman, I view the inspectors like a teacher grading a paper. Do everything right....pat on back. Do it messed up....slap on wrist with maybe a Do-over.
    They are there to ensure you get a good and safe build.
    Run away from anyone that "wants to make it work" or wants to hide stuff from the inspectors. Try to find someone that wants to use your house as a display model for their good work.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      Little Napoleons are a pain to deal with, though.

    • @keithharrington8715
      @keithharrington8715 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jovetj sometimes our attitude is reflected back on us. See someone as your enemy and it is hard for them to prove you wrong.
      Try treating your inspectors like a teammate on a road to the safest build. Do not be afraid to treat them like a mentor, asking questions and advice.
      They are human and can have a bad day as well and with all the rules in the nec and electrical trade it is hard to keep up with them all....
      Does the nec really tell, profession, grown men and women, to follow the manufacturer's instructions?
      Must we have 6 inches of wire sticking out of a box or is there a different number for selected box sizes.....
      We install grounds because electricity only flows in the path of least resistance....
      Answers:
      Yes - instructions for adults.
      Yes,- box size does male a difference
      Sadly, no - the ground adds a parallel path.....safer but circuit calculation show you still get to feel it, but with the ground, the breaker does to and trips.
      Hope this helps.

  • @gammerr82
    @gammerr82 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I done alittle different in garage I would’ve made those arc and everything on its own outlet. You’re still gonna want something to protect in case lightning hits the house and shoots up all the wire

    • @denali9449
      @denali9449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Arc fault circuit interrupters have nothing to do with lightning. A lightning strike will blow the wiring out of the wall long before the breaker trips.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, "arc fault protection" is designed to detect hazardous electrical arcs in the wiring which could start a fire. Arcs can arise from a several conditions, including a loose connection and human or animal damage to a conductor.
      There is no protection from a direct lightning strike.

  • @mikemacdonald2032
    @mikemacdonald2032 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hot and neutral reversed on the feeders, also the outlet beside the panel is too close. Good putting the panel cover and outlet face plate on !!

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not a reversal if the wiring is consistent on both ends. But it's still the wrong color wire.

  • @keithharrington4595
    @keithharrington4595 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let me end the pain here with the neutral color. I took a close look at time 01:08 and can say that the cable looks like SE or USE and the neutral is properly marked with 3 continuous white stripes in accordance with 200.6. The connections are as follows:
    Bare Aluminum.....ground
    Black/Red........leg 2 (L2)
    Black......Neutral Bus
    Black/3 white stripes..leg 1 (L1).
    Yes, the inspector and several commentors missed this. Not wrong markings, wring terminals.

  • @mickwalker9660
    @mickwalker9660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not sure a weather resistant GFI is required inside a structure

  • @007floppyboy
    @007floppyboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    UK electrical engineer here, why dont you put sleeving over your earth wires?

  • @bkhantheking1
    @bkhantheking1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    U used the neutral as a hot leg? Hope you didnt mix it up at the main panel!

  • @jimzimmerman5288
    @jimzimmerman5288 ปีที่แล้ว

    A light in a storage area? Never heard that one before. Code reference plz.

  • @marktemplin1159
    @marktemplin1159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It comes down to general circuit receptical, compared to dedicated outlet, all places it can be accessed is an outlet,, it can be a receptical a light fixture, a switch , a smoke detector, dosnt matter it's an outlet,, some are general purpose receps, some are juntion box's, some are a simple light switch,, an outlet by code has many different purposes,, it accualy goes back to Edison,, and his original outlet🤔🤔🧐👍

  • @BackPackHack
    @BackPackHack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did you use the black wire to feed your neutral and the white wire to feed a hot in the panel?
    You must have a lot of funky local codes. WR inside a garage? TR's only under 5'6"? 3-way switches for stairs? I'd be taking the inspector to task on those. They're inspectors, not expectors. They can't be pulling out shirt-pocket rules made up back at the office and only pulled out when they're checking things out. Code must be adopted, which is a defined legal process.

  • @dmhunter666
    @dmhunter666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Before I wired my garage, I called up the inspector and asked what they wanted to see.
    I wrote all of what he said down and kept it for later.
    I wired my garage and scheduled the inspection.
    The night before the inspection I broke out the notes from the call to the inspector.
    I found 3 things that I had not done.
    I fixed them all that night in about 30 minutes.
    The next day the inspector showed up looked at all the things he said he would and signed off on the inspection.
    Easy peasy.

  • @blackened872
    @blackened872 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t know how the inspector didn’t point out the neutral wire going to the main lug. I’m not the first to point it out but the white striped wire goes to the neutral. Black and red striped go to the main.

  • @tomfink2763
    @tomfink2763 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your panel is wired wrong ,black and white should be to common bar and the two black wires should be hooked too the main breaker

    • @tomfink2763
      @tomfink2763 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Red and black to main breaker

    • @tomfink2763
      @tomfink2763 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Red and black to main breaker and black and white to common lug

  • @johnnymalicoat754
    @johnnymalicoat754 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pretty sure that the storage area isn't required to have a light unless there is a piece of equipment in that space

  • @C1Ksdafafdsa980ufsd
    @C1Ksdafafdsa980ufsd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm trying to start a new shop project... soon. One of my biggest fears is that I'm 45 yeas out of date, and codes as well as construction practices change. PEX is all "new" for me. We had GFCIs, but not Arc Faults.
    Then, of course, there are local codes. St. Louis had something that they only allowed one wire per hole in a stud or joist. Can anybody say SWISS CHEESE?
    I've had many problems with GFCI outlets, and would never use one unless absolutely necessary (near a sink).
    Those child proof plugs would be a pain in a workshop, although perhaps they would help with dust and corrosion.

  • @cpthillbilly
    @cpthillbilly 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would recommend you re-wire those feeds. YOu have the neutral wire where a phase should be and a phase is where the neutral should be. Yes, it is a code violation too. Whether your inspector know that or not. White wires MUST be neutral wires only, not phase conductors.

  • @scottdowney4318
    @scottdowney4318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    All that makes sense.

  • @electricianslife1984
    @electricianslife1984 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why the hell is the neutral landed on the hot lug

  • @plutoyaldnil4750
    @plutoyaldnil4750 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I do believe ( whether or not your strange inspector passed it) you should change your incoming hot and neutral wires back to the solid black being your black, and white striped being your neutral. Because in the future if someone ( trained individual) ever has to service that or that cable gets damaged someone is likely to get KILLED

  • @AdmiralBob
    @AdmiralBob ปีที่แล้ว

    Good thing you were saved from needing a flashlight for that tiny storage space...

  • @BZZZzzzisavailable
    @BZZZzzzisavailable 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3-way "circuit" for stairs. 3-way switch, to many, infers a 3-pole switch, which I don't believe is what you were referring to.

    • @jovetj
      @jovetj ปีที่แล้ว

      A light circuit involving 3-way switches can indeed be referred to as a "3-way circuit."
      A _3-pole_ switch means something completely different in the electrical world. A _pole_ is an isolated set of connections. A three-phase switch where a single switch opens or closes all three separate hots would be a 3-pole switch.

  • @SuperVstech
    @SuperVstech 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Inside the garage, WR is not required, but GFCI is.

  • @kennybailey4492
    @kennybailey4492 ปีที่แล้ว

    Left power feed wire and neutral wire needs reversed wrong color on each of them - who inspected that ?

  • @abelchavirajr
    @abelchavirajr ปีที่แล้ว

    Didn't phase those white conductors going in the breaker .. unless it's a arc fault ground fault breaker but it don't look like it

  • @keithpeacock9282
    @keithpeacock9282 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The black wire with the white strip should go to the Neutral Bar and the black wire should go to L1. Also if a white wire goes to a breaker it HAS to have a color tape on it! and black wires going to a Neutral HAS to have a white tape on it. Also the main panel feed wires does not look big enough to handle that amp load of all the breakers

  • @bill1962us1
    @bill1962us1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still see a problem - you used the neutral as a hot I'm surprised the inspector did not see that - all black and black/red are hots and the wire with the white or gray stripe is your neutral