Add this to the, "why are kids these days always online?" Where do we expect junior high and young high school kids to peacefully assemble? Summer vacation is upon us and these kids have nowhere to go.
Yeah pretty much. We all wanna do fun activities with our friends but theres no where to go unless we hop in the car and drive 30 minutes or more. Which is fine sometimes, but I don’t wanna do that everyday, and we shouldn’t expect children to have a car or license at such a young age
@kailahmann1823 I was debating that when I wrote the comment, but thought about the fast food establishments that lock their doors and only open the drive thru
That chik fil a in the beginning backs up into the street at lot at peak times. It's kinda dangerous because it's so close to the intersection and so that lane is basically blocked from the other side, causing drivers to pull all kinds of stunts to get into the other lane.
Hot take: Drive-thrus are bad for driving. Drivers need to take breaks a lot more often than they do. The drive-thru adds to driver entitlement to never have to slow down or stop for anything. Drive-thrus further isolate drivers and passengers from interacting with other people leading to even more antisocial behavior on the roads.
i found myself in a small town while driving from DC to Chicago. i was driving a moving truck as i was moving. i got a hotel room for the night and needed a place to eat. the only food open i could get (again, small town) was a single McDonalds. they are open 24/7 they advertised! but when i walked to the mcdonalds about 800m away from my hotel (i was the only one walking in town) found that it was drive-thru 24/7 and i wouldve had to wait until 9am when they opened for seated customers. i walked thru the drive thru and got told to heck off. then came a car and basically said "theyre with me" and finally got my food. why do i need a vehicle to order food at a mcdonalds drive thru? i felt like a second class citizen in that moment. the only place in town to get food at that hour was telling me to beat it bc i didnt have a car... well i had a uhaul but it wouldnt fit under the height limit bar lmao
I live in Floriduh, where they drive big dumb POS monster trucks that don't fit under drive-thru overhangs, nor can they reach the window or buttons on the ATM at the drive-thru banks.
Good! Maybe they'll get the idea that neither drive thrus or monster SUVs are a good idea. Unfortunately, it's more likely that the drive-thrus will remodel, making it only possible for monster vehicles to use them. This adds one more reason I'm very happy to live in Minneapolis!
So glad I gave up using a car years ago. Once you do that, you truly understand how repulsive cars are. And drivers in the US are more dangerous than ever. Saw one the other day as I was entering the crosswalk with the right of way. This person cruised right on through the red light. Glad I saw them because they sure as hell didn't see me.
@@POVwithRC You can have it, maintain it (please don't use my tax dollars) and do whatever you want on it ... just don't run me and other non-car people over.
@@ItsDaJax Living well without a car ABSOLUTELY depends on where you live and what you like to do. I'm in central Minneapolis, a pleasant 2 mile walk (or 7 minute bus ride) from my downtown office. Within a mile of my home I have 5 supermarkets, 2 world class museums, assorted parks, and too many cafes to count. Transit to other places is well developed. I only got rid of my car after it sat completely unused for 2 years. I truly did not need it. On the other hand, if you live in a suburb, and / or like to go camping or take long road trips, if there are no commercial businesses within a couple of miles, if there's no transit to your workplace ... a car is necessary. The goal is not to eliminate all cars, it's to lower the total number. Make it easier for people like me to live well without a car, so people like you have less crowded roads when you need to drive.
@@qwertykeyboard5901 it is a way for these companies to track you and to "learn" your habits so they know what and when to offer you specials and have the highest sucess rate Bloomberg had an article talking with people behind the McD app and it is scary shiz
the mention of the ban on drive thurs in Minneapolis shows the potential of civic engagement. involvement in local government can be incredibly impactful on the future of cities that are subject to urban sprawl. write to city council members and advocate for the change you want to see
Additionally, it prevents a lot of franchise restaurants from being here, as many of their franchise agreements require drive throughs. (Like there’s no Culver’s in the city of Minneapolis) For better or worse.
@@JuneNafziger For better in my opinion, the absence of chain QSRs allows for more ‘mom & pop’ restaurants that serve as gathering places for communities and allow social mobility for their owners.
Starbucks just announced they're closing their River/Osborne location in Winnipeg, right in the middle of one of Canada's densest neighborhoods. News outlets linked the closure to an unprovoked attack at a neighboring liquor store. However I have come to understand Starbucks closed the location because there was no way of retrofitting it for a drive-thru. The good news is there's an independent coffee shop across the street.
I tied biking through a McDonald's with a closed lobby at night, that's when I learned drive throughs don't serve people outside a car at all. Except in two cities where the city requires them to.
I got hit with the same in several small towns in Maryland. Nearly 15 years ago, a bank in my hometown allowed it, but it's probably because they knew me. However, McDonald's is usually fiercely against serving you at a drive-through window if you are not in a motor vehicle. They'll take a sewage truck before they take a bicycle.
We have a similar chick-fil-A that was built right on the Atlanta beltline (a bike/ped path with planned transit). It’s such a disaster that city council passed an ordinance banning any new drive-thrus near the Beltline. Progress!
IRONICIALLY...THIS LOCATION USED TO HAVE INDOOR SEATING BEFORE THE REMODEL TWO YEARS AGO. This is why I goto the other Chick Fil A in nearby Kirkland. This Bellevue location is always packed and on some hot-garbage. And thanks for clarifying your Seattle neighborhood as suburb faux pas...I was like why is he calling these neighborhoods as such ?
Yeah I fucking hate drive-thrus I also hate this popular thing where a lot of places are switching to drive-thru only like they are a Dutch Bros or something; I hate car dependency and it's ever growing consequences, not many things I hate; but I hate this for real.
Seattlite here. The Bellevue Chick-fil-A opening was a big deal since it was the first one in Washington State. The original restaurant actually had indoor seating, but the drive-thru lines became so long that they were flowing into the outside street and causing traffic. It turned into a big local issue, and when social distancing started in the pandemic, the restaurant decided to just close the indoor seating to focus resources on the drive-thru. It's an unfortunate outcome, but one with an interesting story. I love these videos, seeing local stuff highlighted is great even if it's not for the best reasons.
Sonic Drive-in is still alive and well in Oklahoma and a little in the surrounding states. They also always have a nice covered patio area for pedestrians. I remember always walking to the Sonic next to my apartment complex to get drinks as a kid.
6:23 this was such an interesting thing to me when I was in Taipei. I'd see a big line out the door of a restaurant I wanted to go to and my American brain would be like "oh man this is gonna take forever" because I was used to drive thrus, but the lines tended to move pretty fast. I think part of it was just a cultural difference, and in Japan there's even small restaurants where you're only supposed to be there for ~10-15 minutes. People ordered, got their food, ate as quickly as they could, then left so the next person could come in.
• unhealthy food • lack of exercise • dangerous to pedestrians • emissions that wreck our environment & health • blocks driving lanes • inefficient (generally 1-2 people/car. Despite seating 5-7) • long wait times • nowhere to sit
I thought you already made a video on how Drive-thrus are horrible for walkable communities, but this topic does warrant more attention to be fair. They're usually located on a stroad where car traffic is plentiful. Often in some kind of strip mall with other drive-thru spot and/or a huge parking wasteland, so they make terrible use of land resources. And it's usually in some depressing-looking spot where there's rarely people outside cars. But it feels like drive-thrus aren't the actual problem. It's more like a symptom (and a logical result) of the main problem, which is car-centric development.
imho the key is STROAD and drive through is the symptom of super low density urban design and they "work together" in a symbiotic relationship made in hell
so true! I don't think about drive-thrus much since i can't drive (therefore haven't been through one in a long time and only with someone else) and like you said, there aren't that many within metro seattle. but even here i've seen a few with cars clogging up the sidewalk and road from them, and it just seems so silly. interbay is a good example of this, as well as aurora, both classic stroads. the mention of the new apartments with shops on the bottom made me think of how a lot of those are unfortunately vacant in the restaurant/shop department. whether it's rent being too high or not enough incentives for landlords to fill those spots, it'd be interesting to see a video on that if you were willing! love your videos overall!
I hate waiting in long fast food drive-thru lines. If I see more than a few cars, I will drive on by or park and walk in. But it seems they always serve the drive thru customers so much faster than the walk in customers. Way to go Minneapolis!
City Nerd said that the best restaurants in suburbs are in strip malls. Strip malls aren't perfect, but at least they present a few stores that are dense to each other, and they don't have quite the same land requirements that stand-alone drive-thru restaurants have. If Little Woody's opened outside of Seattle they would probably open in a strip mall.
I'm so tired of people saying "touch grass" Bro what grass? Where do you expect a guy without a car to go in this car infested hellscape? Do I frolick in the street and get ran over? Walk back and forth over a tiny lawn that is designed not to be walked on (because you'll ruin it)? Please tell me where these mythical grass touching locations are.
The mental image of a 300lbs guy ‘frolicking in the street’ and getting run over is just hilarious for some reason. Yes, I'm quite aware that I'm going to hell…
love recognizing all these shots from Bellevue and Crossroads and Southcenter areas haha I even saw a shot from West Seattle! sooo familiar with these miserable car sewers
In Trumbull CT, a new Starbucks opened that had stacking room for 15 vehicles, and the town was assured that it would never become an issue. Soon after opening, the line kept spilling back onto a major road. The town P&Z commission met and decided their solution to this problem (even though they were the ones to approve the site plan) would be to tell the Starbucks employees to work faster. A couple years later in Hamden CT, a new Starbucks was built right next to an old location, but this time with a drive thru whereas the old one was walk in only. The first day it opened, the drive thru spilled back onto the major road and caused insane traffic. Somehow people managed to get their coffee just fine in the old layout. Anyways I have a pure disdain for drive thrus now and will always park and walk in if i’m driving, and every time, I get my order and get out before the car I would have been behind in line gets to the window. I also have a series of videos on these two Starbucks locations on my channel.
Funnily enough, some state DOTs don't like drive-thru restaurants because they introduce driveway curb cuts that create more conflict points and slow down cars if these driveways empty onto major multi-lane roads. Many new developments here in Florida are restricted in the number of driveway cuts they can make and the workaround is that a parallel shared access road is built by all property owners in a given development. The geometry of drive-thru restaurants is another problem - they almost always end up with lanes wrapping around the entire building which is always hostile to pedestrians no matter how well it's designed. Many also might face inwards towards a shopping mall which ends up with the rear of the building facing the main road. Thankfully some cities are getting smarter about it and forcing restaurants to revise their designs into something more pedestrian friendly like making it actually connect with the sidewalk or having the building situated on the corner of a corner lot so two sides engage the public streets.
4:40 my city recently introduced ordinance for new developments to obscure their drive-thrus with berms, in order to make the city look better. I had suggested to just not allow new drive-thrus in the city, but whatever.
I like fast food, and find myself using drive thrus a lot because I don't live in a very walkable area. That being said, I hate drive thru only restaurants. When I was in college I didn't have a car, and there were a lot of fast food restaurants nearby in walking distance. We stayed up late, and it was annoying they all closed their dining rooms later at night and went on drive thru only. So if you wanted food at midnight you were screwed, even if the restaurant was still open. This got way way worse during covid. So many places just shut down their lobbies and went to drive thru only. Understandable for a while, but it lasted way longer than it should, probably due to staffing issues. Seems like that's finally gotten more back to normal, at least where I live. But in a lot of restaurants if you go inside you feel like you're the afterthought and they don't prioritize your order, which sucks. I'm surprised to see a drive thru only CFA in a place like Bellevue. Where I live (much more suburban) the CFA lobbies are often packed, lots of people use it (drive thru is busy too).
My spouse and I stopped at a Starbucks last month. Our kid was at Parents Night Out and we were on a date, needed to use up half an hour near the daycare. The inside of this Starbucks had a bench along one wall. That's it. There were three tiny tables in front of it, big enough to hold a laptop. No lounge chairs, no tables for two, no tables for small groups. There were four lawn chairs outside, contained within the smelly traffic of the Drive-Thru. What a dud of a cafe.
In case you weren’t familiar with the history of that particular Chickfila, up until a few months ago, it did have indoor dining. They recently closed it down for several months and reworked it into the form you see today with the walk up window and more space allocated to the drive thru. That Chickfila used to be a huge traffic hazard because the line would constantly back up into the street on a daily basis. They probably crunched some numbers, saw drive thru was where most of their business was coming from, and saw they could (mostly) fix the traffic backup issue as well by reclaiming more of their lot space for drive thru queue. To be clear I dislike the car-centric design as well, but as you said, in this case it was a symptom of a larger problem.
What about going to the loo ? If you are drinking tea, cofee, milkshakes etc sooner or later you will need to make a call of nature......I guess that is one thing that will get people out of their cars.
Over the last few years I've come to despise drive thrus and even more so the absurd amount of parking for garbage establishments that, for most places, never gets used. I counted the parking spots at a Taco Bell because the space seemed absurdly large. 53 parking spots. The last time there was 53 people at a Taco Bell was exactly NEVER.
Up here in Cool Vancouver one of our suburbs, Port Moody, has a ban on new drive-thrus with all existing ones grandfathered in. This has led to a somewhat ridiculous redevelopment proposal for a new 6 story mixed-use building where you would drive through the building to access the drive-thru just so the landowner/businessowner can keep one of the few drive-thrus in the area.
Not sure where Adam's coming from on the 90s being an age of drive-through photo processing, but that was reaching its end by the late 80s.as Fotomat and its competitors were failing. On drive-thru banks: these were the coolest use of pneumatic tubes ever. You would sign a document, put it in a tube and see it pop up 40 feet away. Then pop back to you with cash or whatever. As a kid, I always wanted to send a sandwich over as a surprise, but those days ended before I had the chance.
If you use the McDonalds app before getting in the drive thru line, it actually works because you don’t have to tell you order into the speaker, plus you already paid. I avoid In n Out drive thru especially during peak times, I’ll park, go inside or use their walk up window.
@@qwertykeyboard5901 Sounds like absurdity. My country ias VERY FAR from being walkable, and it suffers from the same addiction to cars, but every single drive-thru is a restaurant on its own. Mind you, drive-thrus are not uncommon AT ALL, but the idea of there existing a restaurant for cars only is absurdity. More over, the existence of drive-thru ATMs is equally outlandish. I understand why, but if you NEED to drive to an ATM, might as well just drive to a bank. Those are quite common here, and parking is literally daily habit for everyone (we are addicted to cars, afterall) so there is no such need for car ATMs. Also, banks know that people need ATMs, and given that shopping malls are always built in or near commercial streets and centers where most people go to buy, banks just place ATMs inside shopping malls. No need for entire offshoot infrastructure built just to run and protect ATMs from the elements like a drive-thru would require.
Some drive-thru restaurants have driveways for entering AND for exiting. Now there are 2 points of contention if you are walking or biking. Having a car drive 30 extra feet is infringing on their right to drive everywhere.
How lazy one can be? North America never stops to amaze… I rarely go to fast food but often, going inside is faster than the drive thru. This doesn’t make sense to me.
It depends on the area you live in. Most fast food places will prioritize the drive thru. They prioritize it so much that people in the lobby are completely forgotten about and they end up spending more time in the restaurant than if they had just gone through the drive thru. Hell, some places don't even have staff running the lobby anymore, and you have to order your food with one of those self checkout kiosk tablets. It's a feedback loop. The drivethru is faster because the employees are required to prioritize the drive thru, which makes it slower for the people in the lobby, which makes them want to go thru the drive thru, which puts more cars in said drive thru, thus making the employees prioritize it MORE because more people are coming in the drive thru.
@@Sqwivigyup. When I was a teenager I worked at McDonald’s for many years. This was over 20 years ago, so things could be different. But even back then, we were trained to prioritize the drive thru. Our drive thru was computerized and each order had a timer that would flash if a customer’s order wasn’t cleared after three minutes. By clear, it meant the order was handed off and the order now deleted off the screen. You could “park” orders (when they have you pull up and wait) but doing that too many times would cause issues. Upper management would come down on everyone for having longer than average drive thru waits. It wasn’t uncommon for the franchise owner to park near the restaurant and watch the drive thru. Seriously. They knew how vital the drive thru was, even then. She’d call if the line was backing up or if she was seeing times different than what we reported. People ordered more food through drive thrus. They don’t get refills, use the bathrooms, make messes we had to clean up. They do see drive thru customers as more profitable I guess. We were taught that we should always prioritize drive through and we were never penalized for guests waiting too long at the counter. If they complained, we gave them a free dessert, like a pie or cone. On busy days we’d take their money and give them their drinks, tell em we’d bring it out to them. So many times we forgot until they’d go up to the counter wondering where their food was 😂 Always felt bad because most of the customers who came in were far more polite than the drive thru people. I grew to LOATHE working the drive thru after a year or two. And the McDonald’s I worked at was huge. It had a play place and at that time it was located in front of a busy shopping mall. Heck, we even did birthday parties still. Loads of people walked in, but we were still told to prioritize drive thru. They saw no issues with people waiting 10-20 minutes for their food, when they ate inside. To me, that seemed weird since we obviously designed it for people to come inside too. I got b*tched at for going to clear and wipe down tables when the drive thru was “too busy.” There were hardly any clean tables and they told me I could give the guests a rag and sanitizer for THEM TO CLEAN THE TABLE THEMSELVES. I thought that was absurd and disgusting to expect guests to do that. I didn’t and several customers thanked me and complained about how trashed it was. I know it’s just McDonald’s but no way was I doing that. But once our drive thru clearance got up to 4 minutes per car, the manager would be complaining. So you ain’t wrong. The truth is, most fast food places really don’t gaf about people who come in. It has to be worse now. Srry I ramble 🫠
craziest one ive seen was the McD's in Tysons Corner Virginia. Double decker with parking garage. an in one of the driver though lanes goes up a floor.
One thing I cannot stand about these places is the food curfew where only the drive-thru is open. Like only people in cars deserve to eat after 9/10pm. I get that drive-thrus are convenient and sometimes I just wanna shave time, but I do prefer to park and just go in. The only time saved is the walking to and from the car. Might as well just be a drive-in. At least Rally's have walk-up windows. Maybe we should bring back drive-ins and slow down America some.
Sad thing is when that Chik fil a location was built it had an ample lobby that was reasonably pleasant. I’m not sure if they remodeled it away or just chose to close it.
Lmao I work in a suburban power center and laugh at the idea of DRIVING to get lunch (30 mins long) in a nearby restaurant. It would just as long or longer to get into my car, drive through the lot, and wait in the drive thru line...just to shovel food into my mouth before parking and going back to work. I can walk to several food places in 3 minutes max.
I think drive through allow restaurants to serve more customers with less parking space. Drive through customers’s car will stay in restaurants’ property much shorter than dine-in customer.
I appreciated drive-thrus during COVID lockdown, when they were the only way to get food and prescriptions. I also got my first COVID vaccination from a drive-up clinic, since we weren't allowed to go indoors anywhere.
I feel that almost never is a drive thru faster than going in to order. Only when they prioritize the drive thru is it actually faster. Even then, I would just rather wait inside for my food than in a car every step of the process. The modern drive thru strikes me as a facade of speed with a small convenience factor.
The effects of the pandemic should not be ignored here. Before 2020 it was not unusual on nights that my wife wasn't home for our son and I to go eat out at a local restaurant. But once restaurants closed and became just pickup and drive through spots we started getting food to go and eating at home while watching Disney+ or something. Now that it is (mostly) safe to eat in restaurants we still do pickup all the time as frankly it's quieter, more enjoyable and safer not to have the rabble around you when you are eating. I doubt that we will ever go back to eating in before he's moved out on his own in a couple of years.
Popeyes also opened on 2024 in smiths falls but their indoor seating is much worst with only 2 table with 4 seats each and one wheel accessable seat with 3 seats amd one long table with lkke only 2 bar stu
I could swear they give priority to drive-thru orders over eat-in orders, especially now that so many fast food places have kiosk-only ordering for eat-in, and you now always have to wait. If the orders are visible on a monitor that the customer can see, try and track eat-in vs drive-thru orders to see for sure.
8:58 I work for a planning firm which creates site and landscaping plans for site development, one time I was asked to plan the site for a new Wendy's store. Y'all Wendy's has an official handbook full of suggested drive thru configurations based on the dimensions of your lot. In the end we didnt precisely follow their plans because it was a multi-building site with other shops and a drive thru bank.
I .. honestly don't get the allure of eating in your car. No place to wash your hands, your car gets dirty, you can´t really drive and eat anyway, you are waiting anyway, so might as well get out and stretch your legs even if you have no time and get a to-go order. The second part - too much parking - could be, in many places - fixed easily. Instead of each business fiercely defending their spaces, and you drive 100 feet from Safeway to the UPS store, pool the parking. And of course, permit-wise, adjust for the type of business. A bodega needs more than a barber-shop for the same area - how many people's hair can the barber cut at the same time ?
I do kind of think this drive thru's location iself is its enemy. It is literally at the corner of one of the busiest intersections in Bellevue... sigh.
So a Chick-fil-A is coming to our Downtown soon which won't have a drive thru but due to our obsession with driving culture and fast food there are likely going to be line of cars park parking just outside just to order and pickup food.
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What really sucked was when during the pandemic most of these places closed their indoor areas entirely. Some mornings Taco Bell breakfast slaps, but the only way to get it was by car or DoorDash.
It's kind of fitting that this video came out around now because I'm working on an animated short film with the depiction of a restaurant. I considered giving it a drive-thru, but instead replaced it with outdoor seating for these kinds of reasons.
the US truly disgusts me, and it's so hard to not be condescending and elitist because of it. awful, car centric cities with no regard for humans outside of vehicles paired up with absolutely garbage 'food'; which, if the inherent junk they sell wasn't bad enough, there's an added 'benefit' of not needing to get out of ones car and move their legs. just blows me
Why drive to a restaurant and eat cheap fast food alone in your car when you can spend time in an actual restaurant or cafe or coffeeshop at an actual table surrounded by wall decoration and other people and make a neat little social event out of it? I will never understand this culture
I swear they put cocaine in it lol. Have you ever seen these kind of lines at any other fast food place? I had to stop. Something in their food is addictive
I used a drive thru. It was rubbish. The microphone and speaker didn't work well so there was misunderstanding that wouldn't happen face to face and it was no quicker than walking in.
A family member of mine complained that their bank closed their drive through service. They still get paper checks every week and use cash often, so the bank trip is inevitable. I don't live drive throughs of any variety, but this bank is on the corner of a highway (stroad). From their perspective, they are receiving reduced service with no benefit, and most customers that visit the bank appear to be elderly. The company removed this service and pocketed the savings with no reprocussions, since the other banks are closing more physical locations
Another smallish coffee chain is Peet’s Coffee. It was actually started by someone that grew up in the Netherlands. Starbucks originally sold Peet’s Coffee in their store and later started roasting their own beans.
I was expecting a little more about the conflict zone created whenever a car crosses the sidewalk (or from the steerers perspective, when a pedestrian trespasses into the driveway at the edge of a crosswalk). I’m working to get new curb cuts from stroads & roads prohibited when an alley or rear easement is available & to eliminate these parking lot access points when alley access is available & not prohibited, when a permit is needed. Uphill battle but I hope worth it with less collisions, deaths & near misses.
That Taco Time at 9:00 is ridiculous. It used to be worse before the drive-thru lane was rerouted and took out some parking spaces. What, do they expect to have banquets here? Actually, It's the result of building a new restaurant while keeping the old one open, and having lots of space left over.
What happened to north ametican band on new built drive though back in 2010 tp 2014? To 2024 where their are a lot more new drive through and about 50% to 60 cars dont shut off the engines
Facts! The big M definitely prioritizes drive throughs in some states. Almost no one walks there. But walking can be dangerous as a lot of unsavory people walk the streets of our towns and cities.
Thisnyear 2024 smitha falls ontario canada had wendy's opened with about somewhere between 50% to 60% less seats then older wendy's inside with a decent pation seating. With lkng winter and a some wet days of year why would anyone want to eat outside in cold wet and icy wether conditions
I was amazed when I first heard of the concept of a drive-thru pharmacy; it made me realize I had never truly understood what the US is about until that moment.
Where I live, we have rentable scooters and bikes. There was a post talking about bot using scooters on sidewalks, and everyone pointed out how that isn't possible. Doing so you are more likely than not to crash into a car that is illegally (or legally) parked and will most likely get ran over. During COVID, a lot of restaurants used the road for outdoor seating. Not restriction lifted up, the city is trying to get rid of that seating. This road they're on makes absolutely no sense and would actually be better for traffic if demolished and turned into walking space. It's a one way that comes out diagonally from a busy 4 way to another busy 4 way. You literally have to do a U turn to turn on it. Doesn't help it's a one way. Turning part of it into a parking lot and just making it walkway would be amazing for my city. Also, when we do festivals, they are most likely going to be in the middle of the street. Even though we got this huge empty slab, it always spills out to the street. The roads here are confusing as heck and I almost get ran over walking every day.
oooo 17:52 you should not have mentioned the Portland rule of allowing people outside cars use the drive thru that cuz now I wanna go on a rant about a fast food joint in my area. It bothers me the most when bikes get turned down in the drive thru, especially when they are legally considered legal road vehicles; I know it's private property, but that shouldn't matter imo, especially if you are gonna close your dining room way earlier than the hours listed (but keep the drive thru open). A friend of mine, literally on live stream, went through a drive thru on bicycle cuz the dining room was closed; half way through the order, they basically said they can't serve people going through by bike, then refused to take the rest of the order as long as the bike was involved. DISGUSTING!
Add this to the, "why are kids these days always online?" Where do we expect junior high and young high school kids to peacefully assemble? Summer vacation is upon us and these kids have nowhere to go.
That's what summer camps are for.
Yeah pretty much. We all wanna do fun activities with our friends but theres no where to go unless we hop in the car and drive 30 minutes or more. Which is fine sometimes, but I don’t wanna do that everyday, and we shouldn’t expect children to have a car or license at such a young age
@@cmdrls212 Can a random kid just go out the door and walk to a summer camp? And what about when its not summer?
thats why we stopped touching grass.
@@arahman56 I did it all the time when I had summer camps. Some of these even have vans to pick them uo
I genuinely despise drive thru only restaurants
Same. It’s sad how much fastfood restaurants that have dining rooms have chosen to keep theirs close, too.
This is why I hate Dutch bros coffee smh
I wouldn't even call them "restaurant".
@kailahmann1823 I was debating that when I wrote the comment, but thought about the fast food establishments that lock their doors and only open the drive thru
the only worse thing is delivery-only restaurants.
ironically walk-up windows are actually fantastic and beloved in the context of a walkable space. we call them street food vendors.
After seeing walkable cities in person these videos of drive throughs next to stroads looks utterly dystopian.
Considering that we reduce dining spots because we always drive there says something.
Positive feedback loop like induced demand.
That chik fil a in the beginning backs up into the street at lot at peak times. It's kinda dangerous because it's so close to the intersection and so that lane is basically blocked from the other side, causing drivers to pull all kinds of stunts to get into the other lane.
Having cars overflow onto the street is a common problem at chik fil a locations nationwide.
Hot take: Drive-thrus are bad for driving. Drivers need to take breaks a lot more often than they do. The drive-thru adds to driver entitlement to never have to slow down or stop for anything. Drive-thrus further isolate drivers and passengers from interacting with other people leading to even more antisocial behavior on the roads.
Plus how many don't go actually park before eating. The number of people I've seen going 60+ mph with a burger in one hand and drink in the other...
We just went through a pandemic where we were REQUIRED to isolate from other people. Drive-ins were a necessity.
@@MrBirdnoseDrive Thrus have been around for 6+ decades. I wasn’t aware the pandemic existed for 6+ decades
@@MrBirdnose because it'd totally be impossible otherwise. Right?
My father who works as a pharmacist in the US despises drive thru both as a customer and as the staff behind the window.
i found myself in a small town while driving from DC to Chicago. i was driving a moving truck as i was moving. i got a hotel room for the night and needed a place to eat. the only food open i could get (again, small town) was a single McDonalds. they are open 24/7 they advertised! but when i walked to the mcdonalds about 800m away from my hotel (i was the only one walking in town) found that it was drive-thru 24/7 and i wouldve had to wait until 9am when they opened for seated customers. i walked thru the drive thru and got told to heck off. then came a car and basically said "theyre with me" and finally got my food. why do i need a vehicle to order food at a mcdonalds drive thru? i felt like a second class citizen in that moment. the only place in town to get food at that hour was telling me to beat it bc i didnt have a car... well i had a uhaul but it wouldnt fit under the height limit bar lmao
I live in Floriduh, where they drive big dumb POS monster trucks that don't fit under drive-thru overhangs, nor can they reach the window or buttons on the ATM at the drive-thru banks.
we MUST have a video of that! :)
Good! Maybe they'll get the idea that neither drive thrus or monster SUVs are a good idea.
Unfortunately, it's more likely that the drive-thrus will remodel, making it only possible for monster vehicles to use them.
This adds one more reason I'm very happy to live in Minneapolis!
Oh you mean those trucks with big tires ment for the beach,mud or towing a portable house ? Yeah not just Florida. Mostly driven by the young Spanish.
So glad I gave up using a car years ago. Once you do that, you truly understand how repulsive cars are. And drivers in the US are more dangerous than ever. Saw one the other day as I was entering the crosswalk with the right of way. This person cruised right on through the red light. Glad I saw them because they sure as hell didn't see me.
More asphalt for me 😊
@@POVwithRC Oh ok.
@@POVwithRC You can have it, maintain it (please don't use my tax dollars) and do whatever you want on it ... just don't run me and other non-car people over.
Not having a car since 2022 reminded me how truly repulsive life is without one.
@@ItsDaJax Living well without a car ABSOLUTELY depends on where you live and what you like to do.
I'm in central Minneapolis, a pleasant 2 mile walk (or 7 minute bus ride) from my downtown office. Within a mile of my home I have 5 supermarkets, 2 world class museums, assorted parks, and too many cafes to count. Transit to other places is well developed. I only got rid of my car after it sat completely unused for 2 years. I truly did not need it.
On the other hand, if you live in a suburb, and / or like to go camping or take long road trips, if there are no commercial businesses within a couple of miles, if there's no transit to your workplace ... a car is necessary.
The goal is not to eliminate all cars, it's to lower the total number. Make it easier for people like me to live well without a car, so people like you have less crowded roads when you need to drive.
What is really annoying is suddenly finding 20 invisible people in line in front of you because they ordered with an app.
I don't understand the app thing. At all.
@@qwertykeyboard5901 The people that use the app avoid the line of walk-in customers, and get in the line of people that used the app. 😀
@@qwertykeyboard5901 it is a way for these companies to track you and to "learn" your habits so they know what and when to offer you specials and have the highest sucess rate
Bloomberg had an article talking with people behind the McD app and it is scary shiz
the mention of the ban on drive thurs in Minneapolis shows the potential of civic engagement. involvement in local government can be incredibly impactful on the future of cities that are subject to urban sprawl. write to city council members and advocate for the change you want to see
Additionally, it prevents a lot of franchise restaurants from being here, as many of their franchise agreements require drive throughs. (Like there’s no Culver’s in the city of Minneapolis) For better or worse.
@@JuneNafziger For better in my opinion, the absence of chain QSRs allows for more ‘mom & pop’ restaurants that serve as gathering places for communities and allow social mobility for their owners.
Starbucks just announced they're closing their River/Osborne location in Winnipeg, right in the middle of one of Canada's densest neighborhoods. News outlets linked the closure to an unprovoked attack at a neighboring liquor store. However I have come to understand Starbucks closed the location because there was no way of retrofitting it for a drive-thru. The good news is there's an independent coffee shop across the street.
drive through at river/Osborne would be a traffic nightmare with all the density the area has and heavy through traffic
I tied biking through a McDonald's with a closed lobby at night, that's when I learned drive throughs don't serve people outside a car at all. Except in two cities where the city requires them to.
portland and minneapolis? they happen to be the most bike friendly too
In my city this is actually hit or miss. Apparently it's left up to the manager here 🤷
I heard this was a liability/insurance issue.
I got hit with the same in several small towns in Maryland. Nearly 15 years ago, a bank in my hometown allowed it, but it's probably because they knew me. However, McDonald's is usually fiercely against serving you at a drive-through window if you are not in a motor vehicle. They'll take a sewage truck before they take a bicycle.
Yup people are a risk. People in cars aren't a risk. Make it make sense.
We have a similar chick-fil-A that was built right on the Atlanta beltline (a bike/ped path with planned transit). It’s such a disaster that city council passed an ordinance banning any new drive-thrus near the Beltline. Progress!
Many fast food dining rooms in my area never reopened after covid. "Staffing"...
Fun fact, when In-N-Out first came to the Bay Area the lines were so bad they shut down El Camino Real.
IRONICIALLY...THIS LOCATION USED TO HAVE INDOOR SEATING BEFORE THE REMODEL TWO YEARS AGO. This is why I goto the other Chick Fil A in nearby Kirkland. This Bellevue location is always packed and on some hot-garbage. And thanks for clarifying your Seattle neighborhood as suburb faux pas...I was like why is he calling these neighborhoods as such ?
Yeah I fucking hate drive-thrus I also hate this popular thing where a lot of places are switching to drive-thru only like they are a Dutch Bros or something; I hate car dependency and it's ever growing consequences, not many things I hate; but I hate this for real.
Ive been dissappointed before by "Im going to walk to X restaurant, its nearby" followed by "Oh they dont let you sit in" and it sucks
Seattlite here. The Bellevue Chick-fil-A opening was a big deal since it was the first one in Washington State. The original restaurant actually had indoor seating, but the drive-thru lines became so long that they were flowing into the outside street and causing traffic. It turned into a big local issue, and when social distancing started in the pandemic, the restaurant decided to just close the indoor seating to focus resources on the drive-thru. It's an unfortunate outcome, but one with an interesting story.
I love these videos, seeing local stuff highlighted is great even if it's not for the best reasons.
Sonic Drive-in is still alive and well in Oklahoma and a little in the surrounding states. They also always have a nice covered patio area for pedestrians. I remember always walking to the Sonic next to my apartment complex to get drinks as a kid.
I know I love drive-ins, there are only a few of them around but they are around.
When Colorado got its first In-n-Out, the line was literally several hours long. We went, saw the line, and decided we can wait another 6 months.
6:23 this was such an interesting thing to me when I was in Taipei. I'd see a big line out the door of a restaurant I wanted to go to and my American brain would be like "oh man this is gonna take forever" because I was used to drive thrus, but the lines tended to move pretty fast. I think part of it was just a cultural difference, and in Japan there's even small restaurants where you're only supposed to be there for ~10-15 minutes. People ordered, got their food, ate as quickly as they could, then left so the next person could come in.
• unhealthy food
• lack of exercise
• dangerous to pedestrians
• emissions that wreck our environment & health
• blocks driving lanes
• inefficient (generally 1-2 people/car. Despite seating 5-7)
• long wait times
• nowhere to sit
Those chikfila workers take orders outside too, so the breathing in all that car exhaust from 40 idling cars☹️
not to mention make mess inside the second most expensive purchase and get little convenience for the "privilege"
I thought you already made a video on how Drive-thrus are horrible for walkable communities, but this topic does warrant more attention to be fair.
They're usually located on a stroad where car traffic is plentiful. Often in some kind of strip mall with other drive-thru spot and/or a huge parking wasteland, so they make terrible use of land resources. And it's usually in some depressing-looking spot where there's rarely people outside cars.
But it feels like drive-thrus aren't the actual problem. It's more like a symptom (and a logical result) of the main problem, which is car-centric development.
I did, but I never felt satisfied with the original video and wanted to redo it. I do think this version is a lot better.
imho the key is STROAD and drive through is the symptom of super low density urban design and they "work together" in a symbiotic relationship made in hell
so true! I don't think about drive-thrus much since i can't drive (therefore haven't been through one in a long time and only with someone else) and like you said, there aren't that many within metro seattle. but even here i've seen a few with cars clogging up the sidewalk and road from them, and it just seems so silly. interbay is a good example of this, as well as aurora, both classic stroads.
the mention of the new apartments with shops on the bottom made me think of how a lot of those are unfortunately vacant in the restaurant/shop department. whether it's rent being too high or not enough incentives for landlords to fill those spots, it'd be interesting to see a video on that if you were willing! love your videos overall!
I hate waiting in long fast food drive-thru lines. If I see more than a few cars, I will drive on by or park and walk in. But it seems they always serve the drive thru customers so much faster than the walk in customers. Way to go Minneapolis!
City Nerd said that the best restaurants in suburbs are in strip malls. Strip malls aren't perfect, but at least they present a few stores that are dense to each other, and they don't have quite the same land requirements that stand-alone drive-thru restaurants have. If Little Woody's opened outside of Seattle they would probably open in a strip mall.
This happened in Halifax, NS when we opened our first Popeyes. Traffic was backed up through an interchange and onto our main highway.
I'm so tired of people saying "touch grass"
Bro what grass? Where do you expect a guy without a car to go in this car infested hellscape?
Do I frolick in the street and get ran over?
Walk back and forth over a tiny lawn that is designed not to be walked on (because you'll ruin it)? Please tell me where these mythical grass touching locations are.
The mental image of a 300lbs guy ‘frolicking in the street’ and getting run over is just hilarious for some reason.
Yes, I'm quite aware that I'm going to hell…
I refuse to use any restaurant drive-thru. Same with bank, pharmacy, etc.
love recognizing all these shots from Bellevue and Crossroads and Southcenter areas haha I even saw a shot from West Seattle! sooo familiar with these miserable car sewers
In Trumbull CT, a new Starbucks opened that had stacking room for 15 vehicles, and the town was assured that it would never become an issue. Soon after opening, the line kept spilling back onto a major road. The town P&Z commission met and decided their solution to this problem (even though they were the ones to approve the site plan) would be to tell the Starbucks employees to work faster.
A couple years later in Hamden CT, a new Starbucks was built right next to an old location, but this time with a drive thru whereas the old one was walk in only. The first day it opened, the drive thru spilled back onto the major road and caused insane traffic. Somehow people managed to get their coffee just fine in the old layout.
Anyways I have a pure disdain for drive thrus now and will always park and walk in if i’m driving, and every time, I get my order and get out before the car I would have been behind in line gets to the window. I also have a series of videos on these two Starbucks locations on my channel.
Funnily enough, some state DOTs don't like drive-thru restaurants because they introduce driveway curb cuts that create more conflict points and slow down cars if these driveways empty onto major multi-lane roads. Many new developments here in Florida are restricted in the number of driveway cuts they can make and the workaround is that a parallel shared access road is built by all property owners in a given development.
The geometry of drive-thru restaurants is another problem - they almost always end up with lanes wrapping around the entire building which is always hostile to pedestrians no matter how well it's designed. Many also might face inwards towards a shopping mall which ends up with the rear of the building facing the main road. Thankfully some cities are getting smarter about it and forcing restaurants to revise their designs into something more pedestrian friendly like making it actually connect with the sidewalk or having the building situated on the corner of a corner lot so two sides engage the public streets.
Wow, florida doing something right (w.r.t. conflict points)?!
I don't think I've ever seen a bank drive-through that was just an ATM. They always have a pneumatic tube and an intercom to talk to a teller.
4:40 my city recently introduced ordinance for new developments to obscure their drive-thrus with berms, in order to make the city look better. I had suggested to just not allow new drive-thrus in the city, but whatever.
I like fast food, and find myself using drive thrus a lot because I don't live in a very walkable area. That being said, I hate drive thru only restaurants. When I was in college I didn't have a car, and there were a lot of fast food restaurants nearby in walking distance. We stayed up late, and it was annoying they all closed their dining rooms later at night and went on drive thru only. So if you wanted food at midnight you were screwed, even if the restaurant was still open.
This got way way worse during covid. So many places just shut down their lobbies and went to drive thru only. Understandable for a while, but it lasted way longer than it should, probably due to staffing issues. Seems like that's finally gotten more back to normal, at least where I live. But in a lot of restaurants if you go inside you feel like you're the afterthought and they don't prioritize your order, which sucks.
I'm surprised to see a drive thru only CFA in a place like Bellevue. Where I live (much more suburban) the CFA lobbies are often packed, lots of people use it (drive thru is busy too).
My spouse and I stopped at a Starbucks last month. Our kid was at Parents Night Out and we were on a date, needed to use up half an hour near the daycare.
The inside of this Starbucks had a bench along one wall. That's it. There were three tiny tables in front of it, big enough to hold a laptop. No lounge chairs, no tables for two, no tables for small groups. There were four lawn chairs outside, contained within the smelly traffic of the Drive-Thru. What a dud of a cafe.
In case you weren’t familiar with the history of that particular Chickfila, up until a few months ago, it did have indoor dining. They recently closed it down for several months and reworked it into the form you see today with the walk up window and more space allocated to the drive thru.
That Chickfila used to be a huge traffic hazard because the line would constantly back up into the street on a daily basis. They probably crunched some numbers, saw drive thru was where most of their business was coming from, and saw they could (mostly) fix the traffic backup issue as well by reclaiming more of their lot space for drive thru queue.
To be clear I dislike the car-centric design as well, but as you said, in this case it was a symptom of a larger problem.
What about going to the loo ? If you are drinking tea, cofee, milkshakes etc sooner or later you will need to make a call of nature......I guess that is one thing that will get people out of their cars.
Hey, Vancouver washington is pretty cool. The mall has a really nice arcade with a bunch of imported games from japan
Over the last few years I've come to despise drive thrus and even more so the absurd amount of parking for garbage establishments that, for most places, never gets used. I counted the parking spots at a Taco Bell because the space seemed absurdly large. 53 parking spots. The last time there was 53 people at a Taco Bell was exactly NEVER.
Up here in Cool Vancouver one of our suburbs, Port Moody, has a ban on new drive-thrus with all existing ones grandfathered in.
This has led to a somewhat ridiculous redevelopment proposal for a new 6 story mixed-use building where you would drive through the building to access the drive-thru just so the landowner/businessowner can keep one of the few drive-thrus in the area.
Not sure where Adam's coming from on the 90s being an age of drive-through photo processing, but that was reaching its end by the late 80s.as Fotomat and its competitors were failing.
On drive-thru banks: these were the coolest use of pneumatic tubes ever. You would sign a document, put it in a tube and see it pop up 40 feet away. Then pop back to you with cash or whatever. As a kid, I always wanted to send a sandwich over as a surprise, but those days ended before I had the chance.
As much as drive thru banks are bad for walkability, those tubes were always so much fun to watch
If you use the McDonalds app before getting in the drive thru line, it actually works because you don’t have to tell you order into the speaker, plus you already paid.
I avoid In n Out drive thru especially during peak times, I’ll park, go inside or use their walk up window.
Wtf no seating in a fast food joint...I havent seen that since covid. In rainy Seattle no less.
You have Restaurants with a drive through and *no seating inside* in America???
Yes.
@@qwertykeyboard5901 Sounds like absurdity. My country ias VERY FAR from being walkable, and it suffers from the same addiction to cars, but every single drive-thru is a restaurant on its own. Mind you, drive-thrus are not uncommon AT ALL, but the idea of there existing a restaurant for cars only is absurdity. More over, the existence of drive-thru ATMs is equally outlandish. I understand why, but if you NEED to drive to an ATM, might as well just drive to a bank. Those are quite common here, and parking is literally daily habit for everyone (we are addicted to cars, afterall) so there is no such need for car ATMs. Also, banks know that people need ATMs, and given that shopping malls are always built in or near commercial streets and centers where most people go to buy, banks just place ATMs inside shopping malls. No need for entire offshoot infrastructure built just to run and protect ATMs from the elements like a drive-thru would require.
In the UK there are also restaurants with no seating. Just a window in a wall.
@@manoz6194 most of the world has food places with no seating, but usually, it'd be for pedestrian traffic and not exclusively car traffic
Some drive-thru restaurants have driveways for entering AND for exiting. Now there are 2 points of contention if you are walking or biking. Having a car drive 30 extra feet is infringing on their right to drive everywhere.
How lazy one can be? North America never stops to amaze… I rarely go to fast food but often, going inside is faster than the drive thru. This doesn’t make sense to me.
It depends on the area you live in. Most fast food places will prioritize the drive thru. They prioritize it so much that people in the lobby are completely forgotten about and they end up spending more time in the restaurant than if they had just gone through the drive thru. Hell, some places don't even have staff running the lobby anymore, and you have to order your food with one of those self checkout kiosk tablets. It's a feedback loop. The drivethru is faster because the employees are required to prioritize the drive thru, which makes it slower for the people in the lobby, which makes them want to go thru the drive thru, which puts more cars in said drive thru, thus making the employees prioritize it MORE because more people are coming in the drive thru.
@@Sqwivigyup. When I was a teenager I worked at McDonald’s for many years. This was over 20 years ago, so things could be different. But even back then, we were trained to prioritize the drive thru. Our drive thru was computerized and each order had a timer that would flash if a customer’s order wasn’t cleared after three minutes. By clear, it meant the order was handed off and the order now deleted off the screen. You could “park” orders (when they have you pull up and wait) but doing that too many times would cause issues. Upper management would come down on everyone for having longer than average drive thru waits.
It wasn’t uncommon for the franchise owner to park near the restaurant and watch the drive thru. Seriously. They knew how vital the drive thru was, even then. She’d call if the line was backing up or if she was seeing times different than what we reported.
People ordered more food through drive thrus. They don’t get refills, use the bathrooms, make messes we had to clean up. They do see drive thru customers as more profitable I guess. We were taught that we should always prioritize drive through and we were never penalized for guests waiting too long at the counter. If they complained, we gave them a free dessert, like a pie or cone. On busy days we’d take their money and give them their drinks, tell em we’d bring it out to them. So many times we forgot until they’d go up to the counter wondering where their food was 😂
Always felt bad because most of the customers who came in were far more polite than the drive thru people. I grew to LOATHE working the drive thru after a year or two.
And the McDonald’s I worked at was huge. It had a play place and at that time it was located in front of a busy shopping mall. Heck, we even did birthday parties still. Loads of people walked in, but we were still told to prioritize drive thru. They saw no issues with people waiting 10-20 minutes for their food, when they ate inside. To me, that seemed weird since we obviously designed it for people to come inside too. I got b*tched at for going to clear and wipe down tables when the drive thru was “too busy.” There were hardly any clean tables and they told me I could give the guests a rag and sanitizer for THEM TO CLEAN THE TABLE THEMSELVES. I thought that was absurd and disgusting to expect guests to do that. I didn’t and several customers thanked me and complained about how trashed it was. I know it’s just McDonald’s but no way was I doing that.
But once our drive thru clearance got up to 4 minutes per car, the manager would be complaining. So you ain’t wrong. The truth is, most fast food places really don’t gaf about people who come in. It has to be worse now.
Srry I ramble 🫠
I'll leave if I see them prioritizing the drive-thru.
craziest one ive seen was the McD's in Tysons Corner Virginia. Double decker with parking garage. an in one of the driver though lanes goes up a floor.
One thing I cannot stand about these places is the food curfew where only the drive-thru is open. Like only people in cars deserve to eat after 9/10pm.
I get that drive-thrus are convenient and sometimes I just wanna shave time, but I do prefer to park and just go in. The only time saved is the walking to and from the car. Might as well just be a drive-in. At least Rally's have walk-up windows. Maybe we should bring back drive-ins and slow down America some.
Sad thing is when that Chik fil a location was built it had an ample lobby that was reasonably pleasant. I’m not sure if they remodeled it away or just chose to close it.
Lmao I work in a suburban power center and laugh at the idea of DRIVING to get lunch (30 mins long) in a nearby restaurant. It would just as long or longer to get into my car, drive through the lot, and wait in the drive thru line...just to shovel food into my mouth before parking and going back to work. I can walk to several food places in 3 minutes max.
I think drive through allow restaurants to serve more customers with less parking space. Drive through customers’s car will stay in restaurants’ property much shorter than dine-in customer.
Would have sworn that Chic-fil-A had a sit down section - did they get rid of it?
Yes, last year. Because the awful traffic it caused
I appreciated drive-thrus during COVID lockdown, when they were the only way to get food and prescriptions. I also got my first COVID vaccination from a drive-up clinic, since we weren't allowed to go indoors anywhere.
On the downside, many places had testing and vaccination _only_ from drive throughs, shutting out people without cars.
I feel that almost never is a drive thru faster than going in to order. Only when they prioritize the drive thru is it actually faster. Even then, I would just rather wait inside for my food than in a car every step of the process. The modern drive thru strikes me as a facade of speed with a small convenience factor.
The effects of the pandemic should not be ignored here. Before 2020 it was not unusual on nights that my wife wasn't home for our son and I to go eat out at a local restaurant. But once restaurants closed and became just pickup and drive through spots we started getting food to go and eating at home while watching Disney+ or something. Now that it is (mostly) safe to eat in restaurants we still do pickup all the time as frankly it's quieter, more enjoyable and safer not to have the rabble around you when you are eating. I doubt that we will ever go back to eating in before he's moved out on his own in a couple of years.
Popeyes also opened on 2024 in smiths falls but their indoor seating is much worst with only 2 table with 4 seats each and one wheel accessable seat with 3 seats amd one long table with lkke only 2 bar stu
>slow down their trip by getting out of their car
i mean given the queues at drive-throughs i don't see how they're faster
I could swear they give priority to drive-thru orders over eat-in orders, especially now that so many fast food places have kiosk-only ordering for eat-in, and you now always have to wait. If the orders are visible on a monitor that the customer can see, try and track eat-in vs drive-thru orders to see for sure.
8:58 I work for a planning firm which creates site and landscaping plans for site development, one time I was asked to plan the site for a new Wendy's store.
Y'all Wendy's has an official handbook full of suggested drive thru configurations based on the dimensions of your lot.
In the end we didnt precisely follow their plans because it was a multi-building site with other shops and a drive thru bank.
I .. honestly don't get the allure of eating in your car. No place to wash your hands, your car gets dirty, you can´t really drive and eat anyway, you are waiting anyway, so might as well get out and stretch your legs even if you have no time and get a to-go order.
The second part - too much parking - could be, in many places - fixed easily. Instead of each business fiercely defending their spaces, and you drive 100 feet from Safeway to the UPS store, pool the parking. And of course, permit-wise, adjust for the type of business. A bodega needs more than a barber-shop for the same area - how many people's hair can the barber cut at the same time ?
Some lines extend into the street and cause annoying traffic.
I do kind of think this drive thru's location iself is its enemy. It is literally at the corner of one of the busiest intersections in Bellevue... sigh.
Near a highway exit ramp too
So a Chick-fil-A is coming to our Downtown soon which won't have a drive thru but due to our obsession with driving culture and fast food there are likely going to be line of cars park parking just outside just to order and pickup food.
There’s one coming to Seattle downtown? Or Bellevue? Or you mean some unrelated city?
@@bass-tones Sorry unrelated city
@@johnnguyen6159 Bummer, got excited for a minute, ha
drive thrus are a symptom not a cause
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What really sucked was when during the pandemic most of these places closed their indoor areas entirely. Some mornings Taco Bell breakfast slaps, but the only way to get it was by car or DoorDash.
It's kind of fitting that this video came out around now because I'm working on an animated short film with the depiction of a restaurant. I considered giving it a drive-thru, but instead replaced it with outdoor seating for these kinds of reasons.
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the US truly disgusts me, and it's so hard to not be condescending and elitist because of it. awful, car centric cities with no regard for humans outside of vehicles paired up with absolutely garbage 'food'; which, if the inherent junk they sell wasn't bad enough, there's an added 'benefit' of not needing to get out of ones car and move their legs.
just blows me
Why drive to a restaurant and eat cheap fast food alone in your car when you can spend time in an actual restaurant or cafe or coffeeshop at an actual table surrounded by wall decoration and other people and make a neat little social event out of it? I will never understand this culture
Do yourself a favor and don't eat at Chik-Fil-A ever again.
I swear they put cocaine in it lol. Have you ever seen these kind of lines at any other fast food place? I had to stop. Something in their food is addictive
I remember when it was *_Chic_**-fil-A*
it was never called that
Pho = Fuh
I used a drive thru. It was rubbish. The microphone and speaker didn't work well so there was misunderstanding that wouldn't happen face to face and it was no quicker than walking in.
A family member of mine complained that their bank closed their drive through service. They still get paper checks every week and use cash often, so the bank trip is inevitable. I don't live drive throughs of any variety, but this bank is on the corner of a highway (stroad). From their perspective, they are receiving reduced service with no benefit, and most customers that visit the bank appear to be elderly. The company removed this service and pocketed the savings with no reprocussions, since the other banks are closing more physical locations
Bellevue was made for cars. It’s sad.
That’s why im moving to queen anne. I’m a transplant so the isolation is exacerbated by the car dependency and it’s making me depressed.
I've been to that Chick-fil-A. Yeah the design is pretty awful
Kirkland layout is better and efficient
Why wait and eat on a uncomfortable car when you can park and eat on a table MADE TO EAT ON
Drive-thrus aren't the problem. They're the symptom of a much bigger issue.
america in general
As a Dutch person, what is 'Dutch bros'? 3:19
A drive through coffee chain.
@@morganm9040 Ok thx :)
and most likely a shitty unauthentic american one
Another smallish coffee chain is Peet’s Coffee. It was actually started by someone that grew up in the Netherlands. Starbucks originally sold Peet’s Coffee in their store and later started roasting their own beans.
I was expecting a little more about the conflict zone created whenever a car crosses the sidewalk (or from the steerers perspective, when a pedestrian trespasses into the driveway at the edge of a crosswalk).
I’m working to get new curb cuts from stroads & roads prohibited when an alley or rear easement is available & to eliminate these parking lot access points when alley access is available & not prohibited, when a permit is needed. Uphill battle but I hope worth it with less collisions, deaths & near misses.
That Taco Time at 9:00 is ridiculous. It used to be worse before the drive-thru lane was rerouted and took out some parking spaces. What, do they expect to have banquets here? Actually, It's the result of building a new restaurant while keeping the old one open, and having lots of space left over.
What happened to north ametican band on new built drive though back in 2010 tp 2014? To 2024 where their are a lot more new drive through and about 50% to 60 cars dont shut off the engines
drive thrus are so wasteful and gross it makes me actually angry
THIS ONE TIME.. AND ohh Yah the other time.. How bout the time with the kid
In N Out Burger’s drive thru is the worst. Their hamburgers are too good and they’ve become too popular.
lets all get diabetes
Facts! The big M definitely prioritizes drive throughs in some states. Almost no one walks there. But walking can be dangerous as a lot of unsavory people walk the streets of our towns and cities.
Nice, 0.069!
Not to mention the unhealthy eating habits and health problems associated with fast food.
News to me: there's fast food restaurants that don't even serve people on foot 🤨🤨 It's like throwing away money *confused european sounds*
welcome to the world of ada violations because equality is communist!
Thisnyear 2024 smitha falls ontario canada had wendy's opened with about somewhere between 50% to 60% less seats then older wendy's inside with a decent pation seating. With lkng winter and a some wet days of year why would anyone want to eat outside in cold wet and icy wether conditions
I was amazed when I first heard of the concept of a drive-thru pharmacy; it made me realize I had never truly understood what the US is about until that moment.
Drive thru ATM broke my brain a little
During COVID drive-up windows were how you got prescriptions if you tested positive. Staff didn't want you going in and exposing them.
13:58 that van
Sadly, cooking at home becomes more and more of a past.
15:46 Taco Bell/KFC on Mercer mentioned. they’re overpriced too :(
Where I live, we have rentable scooters and bikes. There was a post talking about bot using scooters on sidewalks, and everyone pointed out how that isn't possible. Doing so you are more likely than not to crash into a car that is illegally (or legally) parked and will most likely get ran over.
During COVID, a lot of restaurants used the road for outdoor seating. Not restriction lifted up, the city is trying to get rid of that seating. This road they're on makes absolutely no sense and would actually be better for traffic if demolished and turned into walking space. It's a one way that comes out diagonally from a busy 4 way to another busy 4 way. You literally have to do a U turn to turn on it. Doesn't help it's a one way. Turning part of it into a parking lot and just making it walkway would be amazing for my city.
Also, when we do festivals, they are most likely going to be in the middle of the street. Even though we got this huge empty slab, it always spills out to the street. The roads here are confusing as heck and I almost get ran over walking every day.
I never knew there were ONLY drive thru places. That is super gross and just shows how car brained North America is
oooo 17:52 you should not have mentioned the Portland rule of allowing people outside cars use the drive thru that cuz now I wanna go on a rant about a fast food joint in my area. It bothers me the most when bikes get turned down in the drive thru, especially when they are legally considered legal road vehicles; I know it's private property, but that shouldn't matter imo, especially if you are gonna close your dining room way earlier than the hours listed (but keep the drive thru open). A friend of mine, literally on live stream, went through a drive thru on bicycle cuz the dining room was closed; half way through the order, they basically said they can't serve people going through by bike, then refused to take the rest of the order as long as the bike was involved. DISGUSTING!