I'm a 4.0 USTA player. struggled for a long time with my second serve, and this tip is awesome. this was a great, succint and effective tutorial! thank you!
I found any easy fix for kick serves is using a backhand grip , as it forces you to swing left to right more creating a kick serve, try it , it works. watching federer do it very very suttle grip change on his second serve kick
Guys keep up The good work. Thanks. 1 thing to notice: -you can see that the serve you are hitting is actually a Top Slice and not a Kick serve. Because the hitting point on the ball is right of the center and low. To kick you need to hit the ball left of the center and low. Also when you make a dorsal flex in wrist you make it more difficult to hit a kickserve. Please continue with your great videos.
You guys are awesome encouragers! Can't wait to put this into practice as it makes perfect sense. I just hope nobody drives by and sees me out there on my knees... Much thanks! We look forward to more helpful instruction as the weather begins to warm up again.
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Would have like to seen a few actual serves, to see the swing pathway, if you finished with butt cap and elbow up and the grip. It seems that you are using a continental there. I have never been able to get any kind of kick on the ball without using an extreme eastern backhand grip but after watching your explanation that might be part of the reason. Can't wait to try this out. Thxs guys!
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please teach how to face the slicer and Chopper old player..i am not think about fast winning , just how to pay them back and make them annoyed with my return. the always doing this chopping and knifing short shot when i play how to return such a ball in a way that make them also difficult to make a good return
I toss parallel to the baseline (or 12 o’clock) on all my serves... flat, kick, slice and spins. When I make contact with the ball, it’s between 10 and 11 o’clock on the vertical plane. My tossing arm is also totally straight ... no bend anywhere! Bending the back as much as possible for your body type is necessary as well. It took 10 years and thousands of hours of practice to get my serve the way I wanted it.
Excellent tip guys I was having a problem with my toss all over the place so I saw a video and it said down the line. It helped keeping it form front and back but it did mess with my kicker.
hello, I am a senior player. all of your instructions deal with two hand grips, I am still one handed on both sides, it is somewhat tough for me to try and make your instructions fit.
Make sure you have a HUGE bucket of balls when you start trying kick serves or you will be chasing balls that went over the fence every two minutes. My 2 cents.
Do you change your grip at all? I use this serve for a second serve mostly but throw it in once in awhile for a first out wide to a righty BH,... I've never heard of keeping my racquet path along the baseline. I will try it today!!
kerry pittenger I would try to stay with the continental grip. You can change it a very small degree if you find it helps. Kicking high to the backhand is always a great strategy. Glad to hear you enjoyed the vid, thanks for watching!
I tried. I really tried. But from “3:00 to 9:00 position”, I just couldn’t understand the words you were using. I’ve played tennis for 29 years, never learned a kick serve, really want to, but still can’t find a single TH-cam video that uses vocabulary that someone who DOESN’T hit a kick serve can understand. Your videos have been awesome, but for kick serves, I gave to keep looking.
Hi Ray, checkout the video linked below. i believe it is the most comprehensive and easy to follow video that we have done on the kick-serve. Hope it helps! th-cam.com/video/RDT_8Q73Rls/w-d-xo.html
Very good tip, most coaches push the tossing parallel, but like you said if we are not practicing hours and hours a day it gonna be difficult. Well done.
This is a good exercise and many will feel an increase in racket head speed by isolating the arm and staying sideways but not worthy of all caps. Max power comes from the kinetic chain initiated from the legs, through the core and then a loose wrist snap.
+Glenn Moody solid question sir. A lot of people refer to their topspin serve as a kick serve, but to be classified as a “kick serve” the ball has to kick up and out after contact with the ground. This technique is much more difficult to accomplish than the average topspin serve. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching and the question. The key is tossing with the shoulder and keeping the joints of the arm locked. I've linked a video that will help explain things further. Hope it helps! th-cam.com/video/9Yw37BL4uHA/w-d-xo.html
The two example serves that Scott does on his knees aren't kick serves. For both serves, the ball is bouncing to the left (toward the duce court). A kick serve should be bouncing "kicking" to the outside of the ad court. Please review and comment! Thank you!
John Kraemer hi, thanks for the question. It’s a misconception that a kick-serve must advance off the court (kicking to the outside of the court). A kick serve can certainly be used to go straight up (body serve) or even target the T which used to be commonly referred to as the “American twist”. Obviously Scott was slowing the demo down in order to view the mechanics hence the lack of action on the ball. Perhaps that’s why it appears there’s a lack of kick. As we tell students quite frequently, “watch me, not the ball” 😉. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching.
@Laurence Corray In time we want to be able to use the same toss in order to disguise the different spin. This takes time however and in the learning phase it is easier to exaggerate the location of the toss in order to learn the technique and feel. Thanks for the question and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Ty Avolio that is a fair assessment. That issue is something we have discussed and will definitely consider in future serve videos. Thanks for watching and the feedback!
Yep! 1 o’clock and out in front for a flat toss. You want your toss to lead you into the court to ensure you’re using your legs and transferring your weight into your serve.
Hey Antony just picture you’re in the center of a clock on the ground. You point to the net that’s the top of the clock or 12, the net post around 1, the baseline 3 to your right and 9 to your left. I hope this helps!
Are we talking about first serve? Second serve is usually a spin and slower. I used to adjust my grip for second serve and toss just like a first. Club tennis, not professional.
Hey Peter, thanks for watching! The kick serve is more commonly used as a second serve, but many players (especially in doubles) will use the kick on their first serve as well. However the mechanics shouldn’t change between first and second serve, the kick motion and racquet path is the same.
yet another kick serve tutorial...where no one actually hits a serve that really kicks...lets get down on our knees and pray!...but we are so eager to teach this technique we will teach it on u-tube even though our serve really goes straight...very few have mastered this difficult technique...if it were so easy it would be everyone's second serve...where is the kick?...there should be holes in the side fence...there are none...
Schnooks Dad you’re assuming all kick-serves must bend out wide..while a kick-serve can kick up and bend left or right. This is a introductory video on the kick serve introducing the concept. Everyone starts somewhere.
@@Playyourcourt kick serves by a right-hander always cause the balls move to the right side after bounce, and any serves that make the balls moved to the left after bounce are called slice serves. Don't create confusion for the new players. Incompetent coaches are the main reason why so many novices are confused.
Why do you guys talk so much??? If I was taking a lesson from you, I'd walk away and I wouldn't pay you a penny. You spend so much time with mindless prattle, it's almost as if hearing the sound of your voice is more important to you and imparting information is secondary. Talk less, demonstrate more.
capricornmagic63 wow speaking of “mindless prattle”....you failed to mention the fact that you’re criticizing FREE content. You could always use that “Capricorn Magic” to create your own channel where you can do and say...or not say whatever you want. -Nate
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I'm a 4.0 USTA player. struggled for a long time with my second serve, and this tip is awesome. this was a great, succint and effective tutorial! thank you!
rockindoc thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the instruction!
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I found any easy fix for kick serves is using a backhand grip , as it forces you to swing left to right more creating a kick serve, try it , it works. watching federer do it very very suttle grip change on his second serve kick
+Louis Cyphre the ole Edberg grip!
Guys keep up The good work. Thanks.
1 thing to notice:
-you can see that the serve you are hitting is actually a Top Slice and not a Kick serve. Because the hitting point on the ball is right of the center and low. To kick you need to hit the ball left of the center and low. Also when you make a dorsal flex in wrist you make it more difficult to hit a kickserve.
Please continue with your great videos.
Thanks for watching!
Very good tip about the toss motion. Congratulations!
Thank you!
Perfect ball-toss suggestion, I think this is reason why my frame often kick the ball when I side-toss the ball...I will try more with your suggestion
Jassay glad to hear you enjoyed the instruction. Give the tip a try and let us know if it helped!
The kick serve is one thing end the topspin serve is other. This clarification is rare. Thank you.
Thanks for watching Cristin!
You guys are awesome encouragers! Can't wait to put this into practice as it makes perfect sense. I just hope nobody drives by and sees me out there on my knees...
Much thanks! We look forward to more helpful instruction as the weather begins to warm up again.
Haha, it’s certainly not a proud position but it does work!
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Would have like to seen a few actual serves, to see the swing pathway, if you finished with butt cap and elbow up and the grip. It seems that you are using a continental there. I have never been able to get any kind of kick on the ball without using an extreme eastern backhand grip but after watching your explanation that might be part of the reason. Can't wait to try this out. Thxs guys!
Let us know how it goes!
Super great tip!!! Thanks!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Scott's explanation was a light 💡 moment. 👍🏿!! Thank you
Love hearing that! Thrilled to hear it helped.
Awesome and explicit guys!
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed it!
Another wow moment. You guys are top notch teaching pros.
Thanks Jake, we really appreciate the support!
you both think throughly aboit these which i never even had any idea
i guess its make sense now that you on YT and i just watch you 😂
😂 Hope it helped!
@@Playyourcourt yesss of course it help 👌😀
Thanks a lot. I can figure out Kick serve easily.
Tried the toss tip and noticed a big difference immediately. Thank you
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very good tips to toss the ball for kicked serve!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
please teach how to face the slicer and Chopper old player..i am not think about fast winning , just how to pay them back and make them annoyed with my return. the always doing this chopping and knifing short shot when i play how to return such a ball in a way that make them also difficult to make a good return
Check this vid out. Hope it helps! th-cam.com/video/0z_nnXogRUg/w-d-xo.html
So many clocks involved in the tennis serve..bob confused😆
J/K guys, great demo & 🙏!
I toss parallel to the baseline (or 12 o’clock) on all my serves... flat, kick, slice and spins. When I make contact with the ball, it’s between 10 and 11 o’clock on the vertical plane. My tossing arm is also totally straight ... no bend anywhere! Bending the back as much as possible for your body type is necessary as well. It took 10 years and thousands of hours of practice to get my serve the way I wanted it.
Can’t wait to try this out!
THanks for watching Nancy! Let us know how it goes and if the tip helps.
I would help to have a few before and after shots of your kick serve (or just after).
Excellent tip guys I was having a problem with my toss all over the place so I saw a video and it said down the line. It helped keeping it form front and back but it did mess with my kicker.
This was a game changer for my kick serve, glad you like it!
Scott
Simply great lesson which has help my serve immediately - Thanks - Dan
Thanks Dan!
hello, I am a senior player. all of your instructions deal with two hand grips,
I am still one handed on both sides, it is somewhat tough for me to try and make
your instructions fit.
Hey Edward, some one-handed backhand instruction will be coming out real soon!
Make sure you have a HUGE bucket of balls when you start trying kick serves or you will be chasing balls that went over the fence every two minutes. My 2 cents.
I'll give this a try. Thank you guys. You guys are great. Dang you're 5.5 😱.
I'm a 4.0 😄
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Let us know how it goes!
Do you change your grip at all? I use this serve for a second serve mostly but throw it in once in awhile for a first out wide to a righty BH,... I've never heard of keeping my racquet path along the baseline. I will try it today!!
kerry pittenger I would try to stay with the continental grip. You can change it a very small degree if you find it helps. Kicking high to the backhand is always a great strategy. Glad to hear you enjoyed the vid, thanks for watching!
I tried. I really tried. But from “3:00 to 9:00 position”, I just couldn’t understand the words you were using. I’ve played tennis for 29 years, never learned a kick serve, really want to, but still can’t find a single TH-cam video that uses vocabulary that someone who DOESN’T hit a kick serve can understand. Your videos have been awesome, but for kick serves, I gave to keep looking.
Hi Ray, checkout the video linked below. i believe it is the most comprehensive and easy to follow video that we have done on the kick-serve. Hope it helps! th-cam.com/video/RDT_8Q73Rls/w-d-xo.html
Great tip. Can you do a video on toss consistency?
Very good tip, most coaches push the tossing parallel, but like you said if we are not practicing hours and hours a day it gonna be difficult. Well done.
Thanks for watching and your kind words!
This is a good exercise and many will feel an increase in racket head speed by isolating the arm and staying sideways but not worthy of all caps. Max power comes from the kinetic chain initiated from the legs, through the core and then a loose wrist snap.
In a real kick serve, do you use your wrist when you brush it up?
The wrist will help the hand open up as the strings approach the ball. Hope this helps!
You say the kick serve is different than the topspin serve, but you don't explain or show the difference. Would you clarify the difference?
+Glenn Moody solid question sir. A lot of people refer to their topspin serve as a kick serve, but to be classified as a “kick serve” the ball has to kick up and out after contact with the ground. This technique is much more difficult to accomplish than the average topspin serve. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
So youre saying a topspin serve is a poorly executed kick?
Thanks for the video. I don't have a problem with my toss as much as I don't know how to aim the kick serve. Any chance you can explain to me?
Hey Wally aiming the kick serve isn’t all that different from aiming your flat serve. It’s all about the angle of your racquet face at contact.
Need help on consistent toss. I feel my body moves my arm around when I am winding up for a serve. Help!
Thanks for watching and the question. The key is tossing with the shoulder and keeping the joints of the arm locked. I've linked a video that will help explain things further. Hope it helps! th-cam.com/video/9Yw37BL4uHA/w-d-xo.html
The two example serves that Scott does on his knees aren't kick serves. For both serves, the ball is bouncing to the left (toward the duce court). A kick serve should be bouncing "kicking" to the outside of the ad court. Please review and comment! Thank you!
John Kraemer hi, thanks for the question. It’s a misconception that a kick-serve must advance off the court (kicking to the outside of the court). A kick serve can certainly be used to go straight up (body serve) or even target the T which used to be commonly referred to as the “American twist”. Obviously Scott was slowing the demo down in order to view the mechanics hence the lack of action on the ball. Perhaps that’s why it appears there’s a lack of kick. As we tell students quite frequently, “watch me, not the ball” 😉. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching.
Great tip but my concern is there is no disguise right?
@Laurence Corray In time we want to be able to use the same toss in order to disguise the different spin. This takes time however and in the learning phase it is easier to exaggerate the location of the toss in order to learn the technique and feel. Thanks for the question and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
4:49 which language was that ?
Can I see you play a doubles game against Ian and Kevin of Essential Tennis or against Top Tennis Training guys.
Jepoi Valenzona we have something fun planned with our friends at Essential Tennis in March while in Indian Wells. Stay tuned!
I AM A 71 Y/O 2.5 TO 3.O PLAYER...
The clock references are confusing, If you could superimpose them it would help a lot.
Ty Avolio that is a fair assessment. That issue is something we have discussed and will definitely consider in future serve videos. Thanks for watching and the feedback!
What about flat serve? Where to toss this one? 1 o clock?
Yep! 1 o’clock and out in front for a flat toss. You want your toss to lead you into the court to ensure you’re using your legs and transferring your weight into your serve.
Neither one of those serves kicked. Both were slice curving into the receiver. Kick hits the curtain to the left of the receiver.
You made reference to a clock, but I have no idea how. Is it possible to show us?
Hey Antony just picture you’re in the center of a clock on the ground. You point to the net that’s the top of the clock or 12, the net post around 1, the baseline 3 to your right and 9 to your left. I hope this helps!
I've been teaching tennis for 33 years and still don't know where the clock is.
iamnotfernando hahaha
Hi.. thanks for the video. But when will i ever see a demo on the Deuce side.... Not a single channel did it.... And it's tricky on deuce side .
that’s good feedback, we’ll definitely
film something for you in the future
Great video, but before anything please demonstrate the serve so we know the final product.
Sound advice. We’ll keep the idea in mind moving forward. Thanks for the feedback Johnny.
Yes, full demo is needed. It's called the global demo...
Are we talking about first serve? Second serve is usually a spin and slower. I used to adjust my grip for second serve and toss just like a first. Club tennis, not professional.
Hey Peter, thanks for watching! The kick serve is more commonly used as a second serve, but many players (especially in doubles) will use the kick on their first serve as well. However the mechanics shouldn’t change between first and second serve, the kick motion and racquet path is the same.
you could be Don jr. and Eric
yet another kick serve tutorial...where no one actually hits a serve that really kicks...lets get down on our knees and pray!...but we are so
eager to teach this technique we will teach it on u-tube even though our serve really goes straight...very few have mastered this difficult
technique...if it were so easy it would be everyone's second serve...where is the kick?...there should be holes in the side fence...there are
none...
Schnooks Dad you’re assuming all kick-serves must bend out wide..while a kick-serve can kick up and bend left or right. This is a introductory video on the kick serve introducing the concept. Everyone starts somewhere.
@@Playyourcourt kick serves by a right-hander always cause the balls move to the right side after bounce, and any serves that make the balls moved to the left after bounce are called slice serves. Don't create confusion for the new players. Incompetent coaches are the main reason why so many novices are confused.
SugarlandTennis thanks for the clarification sugarland.
Why do you guys talk so much??? If I was taking a lesson from you, I'd walk away and I wouldn't pay you a penny. You spend so much time with mindless prattle, it's almost as if hearing the sound of your voice is more important to you and imparting information is secondary. Talk less, demonstrate more.
capricornmagic63 thanks for the kind words 😘
capricornmagic63 wow speaking of “mindless prattle”....you failed to mention the fact that you’re criticizing FREE content. You could always use that “Capricorn Magic” to create your own channel where you can do and say...or not say whatever you want.
-Nate
It's not my style to give a thumbs down, so I won't, but there are a lot of holes to pick in this lesson. Not my cup of tea at all.
Thanks for watching Christian and pick away! We’re always up for a friendly conversation - would love to hear your thoughts.