@@OwenUchihaall depends lol definitely when a horrible call happens. Lions beat the cowboys but it gone took away u can’t say the cowboys actually better than the lions but the W on record book says cowboys
What people fail to realize about FSU is that many players forfeited the opportunity to enter the NFL in 2022 so that they could compete for a national championship in 2023. Many of these guys were transfers; Jordan Travis is one of them. FSU went 23-4 in the past two seasons with a few of those transfers on a team that was still considered by some to be in a rebuilding phase. You can't go 23-4 with transfers added to your team and have a bad culture problem. Those players came back because of how good the culture is. They went undefeated and had the opportunity to compete for a national championship, only to have it taken away. To say that players are selfish for opting out is just ignorant. Many of those players who opted out fought through injuries and put their bodies on the line for a chance to win a natty with their bros. Opting out was a personal decision that has to do with their future. It had nothing to do with not caring or being there for the boys they went to war with. The season ended on December 3rd. If going 13-0 doesn’t mean anything, then why risk injury and potentially forfeit the chance to make millions by playing in an exhibition game that means nothing?
I'm a UGA fan, and I can't brag about that score, because of the circumstances, I still believe that UGA would've won the game if FSU didn't have all those opt outs, but I don't think it would've been by 60 points tho... FSU got screwed, it's as simple as that, the game of football is a TEAM SPORT, it's one of the only sports that can not be played without depending on the guys next to you. FSU won the last few games and their conference championship with every man on that field wearing a Seminole uniform. This sport is supposed to be about a team making it thru all the odds and adversity to come out on top, I thought that was supposed to be what champions are made of. They won their last couple games after losing their most important player, that's overcoming adversity rite there. It wasn't pretty, but the game of football wasn't meant to be pretty and finesse. They did everything they were supposed to do and the committee said that their TEAM isn't good enough because of 1 player, but they can turn a blind eye to the cheating at Michigan, and agree that Texas deserves to be number 3 because Alabama beat UGA and you can't move Bama up without moving Texas up as well. I can promise you that if Jalen Milroe, Quin Ewers, or JJ McCarthy season ended the same way as Jordan Travis, they would've never moved those teams, and would've been praising them for there TEAM VICTORIES. Don't worry, as long as this committee is controlling things they will find a way to create controversy in the 12 team playoff as well
Thank you for speaking the TRUTH! FSU had nothing left to prove after the NCAA said that nothing done on the field matters. There is no reason to leave things subjective other than continuing to let bias dictate who even has a chance at playing.
So by that standard they just shouldn’t play anymore. Guess they should just sit next year out. 😂. Or maybe they should’ve showed up to the next best game available against the reigning 2 time champs and proved why they deserved to be in to make a statement not just for this year but future years. No instead they look like toddlers and now own the worst loss in Bowl history. This shit made Norvell look like a weak leader .
This was their last shot at a title before going to the league. You are allowed to agree with “shut up and play where tell you to and risk your NFL career for a pointless scrimmage” but many people don’t. But it’s cool because all these guys did is beat down the SEC and no one can erase what they did on the field. And you sound more than a little worried about what they’re building in Tally…
I would love to see what you have to say about the CFP Committees decision with both Bama and Texas losing and now even Paul Finebaum stating that maybe Bama was overvalued and Greg Mcelroy describing Washington's season long performance as "they just found ways to win." Etc.
I seen that show when Paul Finebaum said that. What is especially annoying about he said is that he's acting some kind of trick was played, they always overvalue what Bama does, the past 2 seasons Alabama has been living dangerously, they lost 2 games last season, and could've easily been 4 games, and this season they could've easily had 4 losses as well. I understand the greatness of Alabama and Nick Saban, I absolutely respect all that they have done, but Bama is not the same for now, and it's obvious, but now Paul wants to back track and say maybe Bama wasn't as good as we thought, they can miss me with that BS
Fsu players played last year in their bowl game when it was the bowl they earned. I don't think they could get their head around putting forth the effort to play in a bowl they shouldn't have been in
Georgia this year reminds me of Ohio state 2015. Won the natty last year and was Loaded. Lost 1 game by a couple points but went OFF in the bowl game and was better than the other team that went to the playoff. Just had 1 bad game 1 bad night.
People talk about FSU'S culture..... They brought back the most production in the country from the 2022 team! Then were told games don't matter by the committee. What on earth 🌎 do they have to prove.
21-0 vs georgia 3rd string, georgia played, oregon played, Ohio st played, oklahoma played, sooo many teams showed up with most the starters, fsu decided to dip, bad culture
@setalight7290 You know Georgia doesnt get any credit for this meaningless game😂 lol FSU had 3 stringers & walkons for the entire game. 94% of FSU total offense personnel was out if the game. Georgia had their starters in game for 3 1/2 qtrs., beating up on FSU freshman & bench players. It's kind of easy for fresh 5Star talented freshman to look good when your #1's have softened them up for 50mins of beatdown. Those FSU backups were worn out by the 4qtr.
Sea, Every team in the country had guys opting out. Uga had over 20. What the fuck should Mike Norvell do? He can force these kids to play. Goddamn man.
Dawgs Lost By 3 To Bama And Got Screwed By Dropping To #6. Ohio State Could Lose To Sister Mary Christian College And Drop From #1 To #2. Michigan Caught Cheating, Suspended Their Coach And Are Still In The Playoffs, Unbelievable.
@@drew311styleethey said FSU didn’t get in cause of having a back up QB. Milroes stats were worse than our third stringers. I think that’s what he’s saying
Clemson went undefeated in the Acc too. And, then cost Bama two national championships. So yea, the Acc is a power five conference. Oh yea, FSU went undefeated in the Acc and cost Auburn a national championship. So yea, teams out of the Acc can win it all vs the Sec.
Umm those teams were incredibly dominant, fsu this year wasn't. Fsu went undefeated in 2014 but they weren't all that impressive much like this fsu team and got destroyed 59-20
@@setalight7290fsu that year was a bunch of freshman pieces together with jabo. They didn’t have the talent they just had the best player in cfb. Fsu this year would have destroyed that 2014 team by 50
None of the teams in the playoffs are dominant. Doesn’t matter if you’re dominant or not. A one point win is a win. Btw, Clemson blew out Alabama in the national championship game in 2019? I guess they didn’t belong either.
Of course GA should have been there over Texas. Anyone would favor GA over Texas. Texas, whose loss was to the lowest ranked team out of GA and Bama, only got in because they couldn’t put Bama in without Texas. In any other year they would have got in, but unfortunately GA fell victim to the circumstances.
One team needed a win after a loss and the other team did not. They had nothing else to prove after being told they won a trip to the OB an exhibition game. It's that simple. No comparison.
@chrisbotelho7212 that's on college football for making all bowl games worthless except the playoffs they need to just make them semi pro teams pay them and stop being associated with schools since most player don't even get a education
so what does fsu do they go and fuck there own fan base over the The fans that supported them all year long bought all the merchandise bought tickets to the game bought in the multiple nil programs that go to these players and like I said just have overall supported them as a team not only did they f*** their fan base over they f***** all the players that actually did go out and play against Georgia that had their back all year long all the second string players that had the first string players back all year long they let them boys go out there and just get the s*** beat out of them then they let all their coaches down that put all that work into them boys so while the committee may have robbed them so you say their Buckeye man they damn sure looked even more shittier than what the committee did to them by doing what they did to their fans coaches and teammates that tops with the committee ever has done
13 starters not 22. UGA was gonna dominate them no matter who played for FSU. Maybe score would’ve been 42 to 13 instead of a 60 point win but UGA is superior to fsu in all departments.
'Give Kirby Smart a month to prepare AND he felt like he was slighted?' That's a recipe for disaster for anyone who faces UGA. 2 consecutive bowl games UGA 128.....competition 10. The combined record for those 2 teams (TCU&FSU ) 25-1. Georgia's record for 2 years? 28-1. Not top four for Georgia. Best team period. Undefeated in 3 years of regular season play and goosed right in the ass by network tv. I may lie and you may lie but the numbers don't and that's the proof i need to understand what happened this year with the CFP. Texas/Bama rematch would have garnered the highest advertising revenue so the 11 people on the CFP who have ZERO college football experience (not even cleaning jock straps or servicing the seniors after a loss) went to work to make that happen. The college kids responded and 2 blue teams will make this the last year that this CFP shitshow can ruin the very best from proving they are the best.
Exactly. ESPN is not going to like GA beat up other team by 60 points in the play off. Georgia lost to the Ref (not Bama) at the SEC championship by three. The ref should have review the incompletion call and over turn the 4th down completion. That's at least 7 points swing. Bama lost to Texas badly at home. Texas lost to 2 loss Oklahoma team. Which one lost is the worse? Georgia has consistently better than Bama or Texas through out the season. The committee want to see Bama rematch? Not a chance, both team lost at the semi-final.
The FSU team that went 13-0 and won the ACC title would have beat Michigan, I have zero doubt in that! FSU PROVED it all season!! The committee and ESPN wanted the SEC so FSU was the odd man out!
Georgia defeating a fractured FSU roster, most of whom didn't even play the season that led FSU to 13-0, is not even remotely a good reason for Georgia to be in the playoffs. Georgia lost. Bama lost. Texas lost. FSU did not. FSU was told that its previous 13 wins, one of which was a beat down of #5 LSU to start the season, didn't even matter in the decision to consider them for playoff contention. But for some unknown and bizarre reason, the entire college football world has locked in to this ridiculous notion that the ONLY game that mattered on FSU's schedule was a BOWL GAME with Georgia. All other games on their schedule were dismissed as irrelevant. But this ONE game mattered! And FSU players responded appropriately with, "Well if the first 13 didn't matter, then neither does this one. BYE!"
As a UGA fan, I couldn't agree more. So many people wanna say that the committee "Got it right"... because of the outcome of the orange bowl game, but failing to realize that if FSU were in the playoff, then none of their starters would've opted out, and the QB wouldn't have entered the transfer portal. The cfp committee created this situation, it's all on them because they are trying so hard to over-correct for the debacle they created in the playoff last season because not moving TCU a single spot in the rankings at all when they lost their conference championship game is the reason they had a 58 point blowout loss in a national championship game, and it's also the reason UGA feels snubbed as well. The committee essentially created the exact problem again. This time they moved a team out of a playoff spot that they rightfully earned, and because of it a lot of players decided to not play or transfer, and also match them up against a pissed off UGA team, and that's how you get a 60 point blowout, and then wanna use this as a justified reason to why FSU shouldn't have been in the playoff. The blatant disrespect to people's intelligence and common sense is absolutely insane
You don’t want to blame the culture but that’s exactly what it looks like to me. Both teams were slighted but GA decided to show everyone that the committee was wrong while FSU got out of dodge leaving their school and fellow players in the clutch. It’s definitely cultural.
The only people that can be critical of the FSU players sitting out are people who played for an undefeated team in a power 5 conference and didn’t get into the playoffs. No others have been in their shoes
Georgia played with players that WEREN'T coming back! Lol Milton NOT coming back. Edward's NOT coming back. Lassiter NOT coming back. Bullard NOT coming back. Ladd NOT coming back. Jack-Saint NOT coming back. Tykee NOT coming back. Zion NOT coming back.... probably more, NOT including the ones that didn't play that aren't coming back! Get your arguments right 1st!
@taylorlockett7497 they played the 1st half. It doesn't matter. He stated that the GA main players played because they were coming back. Which is false. These guys had no reason to play but for each other. Why didn't FSU do the same. AND the players named, were key contributors!
No, there was no way that could happen because the committee, ESPN and the SEC conspired against FSU. The committee violated the contract and this may lead to the death of the ACC which we don’t want. ESPN must lose broadcasting rights to all bowl games. Fox and CBS are to gain them. SEC for the first several seasons of the 12 team playoff must be denied a top 8 spot and can only have one representative in the playoff.
So other than the 9 quitters who quit on their team is the FSU roster made up of walk ons and 2 stars? That's what it looked like. What? They only had 9 scholarship players on their team?@@DuckFanDane
Yeah? Prove it. Take your time. I know you can't but i'll give you the opportunity that was denied UGA. If you say something without proof ANYONE can dismiss it without proof.
@@wesleygary6651 Georgia had been to the championship game The last 3 years in a row and was on a 30 game winning streak and lost by 3 to Alabama. Then went on to give FSU the largest a** whipping in college football history, they could beat washington and michigan And everyone knows it. RIP FSU
2 years in a row and 29 game winning streak but hey--even UGA wasn't going to generate 1,000,000,000 in betting or ad revenue for the natty. At best Michigan vs UGA would do well but not well enough, thus we received a beggars share of a bowl game and Kirby responded the only way he could.@@sebfettel
Really what did FSU had to prove? If 13 games didn't provide enough evidence one more game wouldn't. And even if they did beat Georgia then what? They would still be in the same position at home not in the CFP. Georgia smacked FSU and guess where they at? Not on the CFP. And the difference between Georgia and FSU when it came down to crunch time Georgia folded to bama and FSU still won even with a third string QB.
Bowl organizers should never invite FSU to play in their bowl games. FSU proved that they're a bunch of cry babies if they can't make it into the CFP and deserves to be shamed for this indefinitely.
FSU should have “opted out” the day of the game. Since they got screwed they should have screwed the tv networks that are driving all of this nonsense to begin with! And don’t get me wrong, UGA got screwed by the committee, too! Both of those teams have a ton to be pissed about!
@@mobeydick37, that peacefully protests legitimate injustice? I suppose so. Not being argumentative, but what would you suggest given they were legitimately screwed out of the chance to play for a championship? The committee told everyone that what happens on the field doesn’t matter. Whatever their subjective and highly biased opinion is is now all that matters and their opinions are driven by what makes the most money for the tv networks. If I had a 7 or 8 figure payday on the line why would I play in a “meaningless bowl game”? And again, brother, I’m not being argumentative, I just don’t know how else to make them do what’s right other than to make it clear if they screw teams over for money, they will in turn lose any money they could make on the brands/teams they’ve screwed over. But that just my humble opinion.
@@kristindanielcarrington3318 UGA has a more legitimate claim to be in the playoffs than FSU They weren't banged up! ONE play cost them a shot not one player! BTW: I don't know if you noticed but EVERY single bowl game was down on attendance! The Fiesta Bowl wasn't even shown on my TV network! The ONLY games that matter now are playoff games!
I think one thing you have to acknowledge is that the snub was unprecedented -- and frankly never going to happen again (we are going to a 12 team playoff next year). When I say unprecedented -- I mean it from the standpoint that the college football sport as a whole has moved to be essentially a pro-sport (players are getting paid more than some semi-pro teams). I think the expectations that have been built up with that and the fact that TV ratings drove the committee's decision to move up a pair of one-loss teams ahead of FSU and allow a team accused of blatant cheating have caused tremendous emotional and mental pain for these FSU athletes that is beyond what I would expect a coaching staff to help assuage. I mean, at least with Georgia -- they are out cuz they lost. Others can fall on those acceptable outcomes -- not FSU. I think that sort of damage to an athletes psychology was not only not taken into account, but the magnitude of that pain was not fully comprehended -- especially at this level. That is what the media and entertainment industry will not acknowledge.
A culture of ZERO character - remember 2014 vs. Oregon? FSU quit in the middle of the game - ZERO character - FSU played a below .500 schedule in 2023 - they were NOT one of the 4 best teams in the country - PERIOD - Georgia was - PERIOD - the Criminoles are quitters - PERIOD - the Dawgs are NOT - PERIOD
UGA won what was essentially a scrimmage. Every talking head, especially at ESPN, agrees that the bowls are basically exhibitions. So if the bowls are exhibitions, then why should the results hold any merit? Make this make sense?
It's only a "scrimmage" because FSU lost. Had FSU won the game they'd be rolling through the streets of Disney like UCF did. This is just a bitter fan base's take on the situation.
@@Michigan_Spyglasses | It was a scrimmage this year...last year...and 5 years before that. Its ok to call things what it is my guy. Exhibition....scrimmage....Evaluation tool for next year's team. You can call it whatever you like. One thing for sure is, its not a game you should put much stock in. You're welcome
The final rankings should have been 1. Michigan. 2. Washington 3. Florida State 4. Georgia. IMO. Yes, FS would have probably gotten creamed by Wash but they deserved the chance to get creamed by Washington. And yes, Bama beat Ga by a field goal after being gifted a TD on the catch that wasn’t. But I blame Kirby for that. He should have challenged it because the replay would have shown it was Ga ball but instead Bama goes on to score. He was so worried about losing a timeout he lost the game. Ga didn’t lose the game, KS lost the game. But what’s done is done so on to next year.
"Deserving the chance to get creamed" costs millions in lost revenue. That happened last year when millions of TV channels changed because of an inferior team played in a game "they deserved" to be in. Another 65-7 game makes no sense when there are better options.
You are probably correct about the revenue consideration but that doesn’t make the decision any better and I’m not even a FSU fan. Regardless, it’s just another sad commentary on a society where every decision and action revolves around money. That may be the world we live in but it still sucks.
I agree with your rankings, just not the “creamed” comment. I fully believe even without JTrav, the 13-0 Nole team would have found a way to win it. With Jordan, lights out.
I say creamed only because that is the prevailing argument that they would be. You’re right, maybe they wouldn’t be. The thing about college football is anything can happen on any given game day. I haven’t really watched FSU this year so I don’t know how good their secondary is and from what I have seen from Washington and their deep ball QB is a team definitely needs a good secondary against them. I do agree with a lot of other people who have said that Bama isn’t as “good” when they don’t have a SEC ref team backing them up. Yeah, every fan base claims the refs were bias sometimes but the favoritism shown Alabama has been quite obvious for years, with few exceptions, no matter who they played. But even with the bad/missed calls Ga did make a mistake or two that Bama cashed in on. I still believe despite the results of one game Ga was the better team for the year and most agree. But it’s college football and the better team doesn’t always win. As far as FSU, unfortunately we will never know how they would have done.
Finally someone with sense. Fsu went 13-0 just like Michigan & Washington lol and fsu got their resume compared to all the teams that had 1 L. Talk about slap in the face.
Its not Georgia's fault that FSU have quitters on their team. Georgia did what they were supposed to do. If FSU had all their starters, Georgia would have won by 21 minimum. That's just the way it is. I applaud the Dawgs for showing up. FSU had to be sacrificed to prove a point...and Kirby did. Fsu should have all played and tried to beat UGA...it wouldn't have happened but at least they would have been respected. Great group of guys you got there Norvell
The College Football Oligarchy decided to make money more important than anything when choosing "playoff" teams. Told FSU that 13 games didn't matter but then expected players to play in one final game risking injury only to help that College Football Oligarchy. Only fools or those who are being intellectually dishonest would expect that.
Liberty was 13-0. An undefeated schedule isn’t a guarantee to the playoffs, especially when your schedule was weak. There’s always been 4 seats at a table for 5. This was bound to happen. Sucks to suck.
ESPN was not gonna get TCU'd again..that's why FSU got left out. FSU without Jordan Travis is a vastly inferior team to FSU with Jordan Travis. If they got in they would have been beaten pretty soundly, starters and all. Everybody in Tallahassee knows this.
RIP FSU sorry you're so salty and whinny, refusing to play would have been an even bigger embarrassment than the already epic embarrassment that occurred and there is no excuse for that performance none whatsoever
Dumb argument - of the NFL-draft eligible players from UGA - only Carson Beck is coming back. 18 players transferred - two starters and two notable back-ups among them. Van Pran, McConkey, Bullard, Lassiter, Edwards, Milton, & Tykee Smith were draft eligible but DID NOT opt out. All have declared for the draft AFTER the Orange Bowl game. Only Bowers and Mims (both had tightrope surgery) opted out and have declared for the draft. Jeez...get your facts straight guy.
No Ga and FSU should have been in the playoff period we as fans knew we would lose thats why i dont understand why GA fans are so proud of the win. Winning against GA and going 14 and 0 still would leave 2 undefeated teams so who would really be the champ for the year its stupid to say we should have played our best player and risk injury and millions just to beat GA with no shot at the championship make it make sense if we lost like that in the Playoffs i would understand
Resumes like this game are great for recruiting...but with FSU relying so much on the portal it wouldn't make a lot of sense. To be proud of a 63-3 beatdown of a power 5 school sells the program. Have you seen UGA's trophy hall? Impressive.
I’m a Bama fan so you already don’t like me I know. But I’m also a straight up guy. Face the truth no matter what. I was shocked they put Bama in the playoffs. Was this years pick, 4 of the best teams. Absolutely. But I just don’t see how you leave Florida St out. Florida St did everything they were suppose to do. Do I think they could beat either of the 4 picks? No. But thats not for me to say. They were 13 and 0. There was nothing else they could do other than win bigger than they did. However if they had shut out all 13 opponents their record would be exactly what it is right now. I’m not for or against FSU. I’m just being honest and know I would not be a happy camper if my team was 13 & 0 and didn’t get into the playoffs. And so would anyone…
A logical alabama fan, respect brother. We are mad, whiney crybabies tho cause we were supposed to go make a good product for the TV network that completely hosed us for a month straight influencing the thought patterns of a committee. Sounds like a bad culture in Tallahassee tho lol
Don't forget, UCF also named themselves national champions (and even hung a banner in their stadium) a few short years ago because they went undefeated (with a schedule similar to FSU this year).
@reaxions lol nice answer, ucf would never have lsu, miami and Florida on their schedule in the same season. Try again. Oh and michigan had a soft schedule and still beat the SEC champs🤔
Oh, you're referring to the powerhouses with a combined record of 22-17, this year? Forgive me, I stand corrected. Bwwaahhhaaaa!!! And Michigan? I thought you were talking about FSU? AND, since you were, it's too bad undefeated FSU couldn't even beat the SEC runners up.
@reaxions Your the one bringing up irrelevance in UCF from a different time on someone elses comments. Excuse me tho lol im glad you think your funny. Not sure what's funnier tho getting hung by 60 with a practice squad or going 13-0 and getting passed by 2 loss teams🤔 oh no wait ur the joke
Of course Georgia should have been in. Kirby did not run up the score. 21-0 in 2nd half playing freshmen against FSU. Opt outs are losers. It’s a culture problem. Bama got snubbed last year and they went on to destroy Big12 champ in a meaningless bowl game last year. Bama had 0 opt outs including #1 and #3 NFL draft picks.
They are pointless. Their not conference games, they don’t matter in the rankings. And you can start the next year out when things count at a disadvantage in the standings because of them. You can lose players to injuries and more.
The two things wrong with bowl games is that there's too many of them for businesses to get on tv to sponsor themselves rather than promote football and that only a handful of bowls that are not NY6 bowls matter. In fact, sometimes the NY6 bowls that were not semifinals didn't matter. A lot of the issues with less interest in bowl games falls on the media, specifically ESPN due to having broadcast rights of nearly every bowl game. For instance, every season, College Gameday always does a show from the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day even if it is not a semifinal. They don't do the same thing for the other NY6 bowls when they're on New Year's Day. I understand that the Rose Bowl is the oldest played bowl game. However, for some people of didn't regions, myself included growing up in Tennessee, we don't care about the Rose Bowl in non Semifinal years nor did we care about it if it was not the National Championship Game during the first half of the BCS era when the BCS bowl game WAS the National Championship Game (2001 & 2005 seasons). Historically, we in the South and SEC country have not cared about the Rose Bowl in the post-WWII era. So how should we fix it? The three things that must be done to at least have a shot at bringing back some level of interest back into bowl games is get rid of meaningless bowls like Boca Raton, Myrtle Beach, and Frisco Bowl, just to name a few. Next, raise the bowl eligibility from 6 wins to (bare minimum) 8 wins, no one should be rewarded for finishing at .500. Thirdly, get rid of conference tie-ins for none NY6/CFP bowls (now that the four team playoff era is over) and have selection be based off of the oldest played and have each bowl game pick whoever is left from the bowl eligibility pool as you go down the line for each bowl. Do that and, if all else fails, at least you attempted to fix this issue. Although, and this applies to college football as a whole, get a governing over all of college football like Roger Goodell in the NFL or Adam Silver in the NBA.
You might want to take another look at the UGA players that aren’t coming back that played in that game. They aren’t all coming back. Brock, Mimms, and Mondon were all injured. Dumas transfered along with our second string QB. McConkey, Van Pran, Truss, Jack-Saint, Milton, Edwards, Tykee Smith, Kamari Lassiter, Javon Bullard , Zion Lougue, and Stackhouse all played and are all going to the pros. So don’t give me the “they are all coming back”!! Just wanted to clear that up cuzz I think it’s funny they say, well all those guys were going pro. Let’s see which team has more guys drafted when it’s all said and done this year.
No..All of the bowl games except the playoff games are meaningless exhibition games. Injuries transfers and opt outs have ruined allof the bowl games except the playoff games.
No transfers 'til the season is concluded/finished/complete and no opt outs unless injured. That right there returns the bowl season to its rightful meaningful place. And just as important, teams should have a winning record to be eligible. No more of 6-6 vs 6-6 bs. A bowl should - and used to be - a reward for a season well played.
I agree 100% All that mental gymnastics about how FSU couldn't be competitive w/o their starting QB... Michigan ended up playing against a QBR of 45.1 anyway. I'm not sure if it was irony, or God's divine justice.... but all the Bama trolling about the orange bowl, then losing against a very imperfect Michigan team (muffed punts, missed kicks) set up a GLORIOUS jinx. Rules of college football trash talk jinx: 1. keep your mouth shut about early rivalry losses until you teams wins 2. Never say the kicker 'hasn't missed in 30 attempts' right before a critical FG attempt.
The 12 team playoff isn’t going to solve anything because you’re still going to have the same problem with the ones that don’t make the 12 team playoff….opt ops, transfers etc. There needs to be system and rules in place for this shit show man smh
Best way to put it. The coach gave up on his team. Why would anybody won't to play for someone like that. That's the different from both coaches. Kirby didn't let his guys get that mind set like that. Also Kirby took that game to prepare his guys who going to play next year. But FSU coach didn't take that opportunity to do That
@@m.d.2256 listen here. I watched most of the rose bowl and I can tell you right now Florida State would not have kept it that close. And Florida State had 29 players opt out of the game vs Georgia.
@@br61499 I agree...but all people who counter your side are speaking if FSU were in the playoffs with a fully loaded roster w/o Travis. FSU was still loaded w/o Travis...so loaded that it could have beaten MICH. FSU d-line was elite. The WR's and RB's too. The TE. The LB's and CB's are good. Ask LSU and UL, CLEM and all other teams that got a loss because of FSU.
@@m.d.2256 FSU w/o Travis was trash. Struggled to beat UF by nine, Louisville by four. Woulda lost to Michigan by 14. Woulda lost to UGA by 30 at both teams full strength. Without their starters they lost to UGA by 60. Makes sense.
@@66fredo99 was Alabama trash with a healthy starting lineup? Hey. FSU's backup was a starter for 1 game. With a month ahead, he he is better. "Trash" is absurd for a team who went on the road and beat.......by double digits its rival. He didn't lose the game. "Trash" when it started a true freshman qb in a championship game against a team that plays defense and offense? But we don't call Milroe trash? Milroe, nor Rodemaker, nor bama, nor fsu are" trash". It is a team game. Teams win often with good, not great qb play. Winning is winning...even if it is by .2 points. And you see the undefeated teams who got in .....well, they are still playing.
NIL should have both clawbacks for not playing and additional money for playing. Like if they opt out, they should owe NIL money, but if they play, they get extra.
As and FSU fan thank you for this video and your support. Why I'm now going to subscribe. On a another Note Screw Paul Finebaum and his show. Finebaum stated early this week that Novel should look for another job and just bashed FSU.
I actually i look at it the committee got exposed you put two losing teams above a undefeated team. Just for them both to lose again. I look at it this way Florida State could have went and loss to or hell they might have pulled a TCU but instead you put losers above winners just for them to lose again. This is coming from a Georgia fan GO DAWGS
as a FSU fan, im excited for 2024 its gunna be a new feel yes, but its not like the culture is bad or the 63-3 is gunna hurt us bad, which it isnt, yea it does suck but we move on and get better, we went 13-0 that should not be left out. amazing season, ok 13-1 but still really good, im excited for the future of FSU Football and so should others, Georgia is my #2 favorite team and they are gunna be losing some guys too but they will be good in 2024 as well. both FSU and Georgia have great coaches for the future and thats all you can ask for.
I agree 100%. FSU should have been in. Didn’t lose - decided that games don’t matter after the committee told them. Good for them. UGA deserved to be there becssue they lost. 12-1.
Because this is COLLEGE...they have to go thru the Admissions Office then the Registrars Office to complete the transfer. It works via the semester system like any other student.i.e., they start classes at the beginning of the semester. You can't just stroll into a classroom at any point in the semester just because you play football.
From a viable internal source, not one single bulldog opted out unless they were less than 90% healthy. That makes me incredibly proud as an alumnus. While you are at UGA It’s the power block-G ahead of self. Hated to see Florida states dudes who played endure that beating; but it’s what Kirby had to do.
Georgia lost to a team that already lost in the playoff therefore they have no argument. (Bama got dominated at the los) If FSU had gotten in I believe their defense wouldve kept it close but I dont think they wouldve beat Michigan Now If FSU had JT I believe they would've been the 3 seed and definitely could've beat Washington but I don't think FSU is good enough at the los to beat Michigan especially their oline (which has been an issue) vs Michigan dline. None of the NY6 bowl games meant anything as its my understanding that the 3 SEC teams had no opt outs except BB and the 3 teams they played were missing several all conference n AA talents. They're exhibition games.
Your logic makes no sense - Texas had a bad loss and going by your formula they had no business in the playoffs. The committee can't pick some teams because they earned it and others because they think they are among the best 4 in the country. They got it wrong and they got it wrong bad.
FSU should have been in the playoff, but they were never one of the four best teams. No higher than sixth, although I don’t like their chances against Oregon, Ole Miss, or Missouri either.
Ga had every right 2 b there they prove it regardless of what game it was..its not Ga fault that those players chose to sit(excuses) #1 has neva drop out of the #4 spot in the 4-team playoff eva so we felt rob to..say what makes u feel good Ga fans won there last game 😎🍺
An SEC team was going into the playoff, no matter what. When Bama beat UGA, FSU got screwed in that moment. Had UGA won, the four undefeated teams go in. Simple. But when Bama won, and given that an SEC had to be in the playoff, Texas got in so that Bama could be justified. The path of least resistance was to say, "well Jordan Travis is out, so ..." The decision was between Texas and FSU. Not between Bama and FSU. So, put Texas at number three so that the focus would be off of them. Very smartly played.
From the way Kirby was talking, he was proving them wrong. Fix the system
Georgia should have been in the playoffs... hindsight and all
And fsu
And Alabama
the game showed that Alabama was to high. Georgia should have not dropped to 5 from a field goal last minute
So number 4 losing to number one proves what that 1 is better then 4 right
@@OwenUchihaall depends lol definitely when a horrible call happens. Lions beat the cowboys but it gone took away u can’t say the cowboys actually better than the lions but the W on record book says cowboys
They actually dropped UGA to 6. Even behind FSU, who they had at 5.
Alabama taking Michigan to overtime despite of having bad snaps all games proved they made the right decision
@@OwenUchihaif they were at full strength and the game meant something yes otherwise no
What people fail to realize about FSU is that many players forfeited the opportunity to enter the NFL in 2022 so that they could compete for a national championship in 2023. Many of these guys were transfers; Jordan Travis is one of them. FSU went 23-4 in the past two seasons with a few of those transfers on a team that was still considered by some to be in a rebuilding phase. You can't go 23-4 with transfers added to your team and have a bad culture problem. Those players came back because of how good the culture is. They went undefeated and had the opportunity to compete for a national championship, only to have it taken away. To say that players are selfish for opting out is just ignorant. Many of those players who opted out fought through injuries and put their bodies on the line for a chance to win a natty with their bros. Opting out was a personal decision that has to do with their future. It had nothing to do with not caring or being there for the boys they went to war with. The season ended on December 3rd. If going 13-0 doesn’t mean anything, then why risk injury and potentially forfeit the chance to make millions by playing in an exhibition game that means nothing?
Well said! This season really meant a lot to us for that special reason
I don't care 😂😂. The score was 63-3!! Stop making excuses.
@@jacobybryant9002✋️Relax! Stop making it seem like that game actually meant something😆 Our main core is still undefeated💪
@@jacobybryant9002Alabama loss Texas loss 🏈gods have spoken 🤣😂😂😂
I'm a UGA fan, and I can't brag about that score, because of the circumstances, I still believe that UGA would've won the game if FSU didn't have all those opt outs, but I don't think it would've been by 60 points tho... FSU got screwed, it's as simple as that, the game of football is a TEAM SPORT, it's one of the only sports that can not be played without depending on the guys next to you. FSU won the last few games and their conference championship with every man on that field wearing a Seminole uniform. This sport is supposed to be about a team making it thru all the odds and adversity to come out on top, I thought that was supposed to be what champions are made of. They won their last couple games after losing their most important player, that's overcoming adversity rite there. It wasn't pretty, but the game of football wasn't meant to be pretty and finesse. They did everything they were supposed to do and the committee said that their TEAM isn't good enough because of 1 player, but they can turn a blind eye to the cheating at Michigan, and agree that Texas deserves to be number 3 because Alabama beat UGA and you can't move Bama up without moving Texas up as well. I can promise you that if Jalen Milroe, Quin Ewers, or JJ McCarthy season ended the same way as Jordan Travis, they would've never moved those teams, and would've been praising them for there TEAM VICTORIES. Don't worry, as long as this committee is controlling things they will find a way to create controversy in the 12 team playoff as well
Thank you for speaking the TRUTH! FSU had nothing left to prove after the NCAA said that nothing done on the field matters. There is no reason to leave things subjective other than continuing to let bias dictate who even has a chance at playing.
So by that standard they just shouldn’t play anymore. Guess they should just sit next year out. 😂. Or maybe they should’ve showed up to the next best game available against the reigning 2 time champs and proved why they deserved to be in to make a statement not just for this year but future years. No instead they look like toddlers and now own the worst loss in Bowl history. This shit made Norvell look like a weak leader .
The NCAA has nothing to do with the CFP.
FBS is the only college Sport without a postseason that is sanctioned by the NCAA.
This was their last shot at a title before going to the league. You are allowed to agree with “shut up and play where tell you to and risk your NFL career for a pointless scrimmage” but many people don’t. But it’s cool because all these guys did is beat down the SEC and no one can erase what they did on the field. And you sound more than a little worried about what they’re building in Tally…
Still got beat by 60 regardless of the situation
They proved they are 60 point losers. That is on paper.
I would love to see what you have to say about the CFP Committees decision with both Bama and Texas losing and now even Paul Finebaum stating that maybe Bama was overvalued and Greg Mcelroy describing Washington's season long performance as "they just found ways to win." Etc.
I seen that show when Paul Finebaum said that. What is especially annoying about he said is that he's acting some kind of trick was played, they always overvalue what Bama does, the past 2 seasons Alabama has been living dangerously, they lost 2 games last season, and could've easily been 4 games, and this season they could've easily had 4 losses as well. I understand the greatness of Alabama and Nick Saban, I absolutely respect all that they have done, but Bama is not the same for now, and it's obvious, but now Paul wants to back track and say maybe Bama wasn't as good as we thought, they can miss me with that BS
What are you even trying to say? Bama proved the committe right by taking the number 1 team to overtime. why are you acting like bama lost by 30.
@@AIRWAY26the point he’s making is that they still lost the game. They lost. FSU never lost. Do you understand now?
@@NeverAgain12292 yes they did lose, they lost by 60 points in the orange bowl after throwing a tantrum for 3 weeks
@@AIRWAY26ESPN, UT'S business partner via the LHN, put Texas in the playoffs over FSU. Pure corruption...
Point blank !
The committee got it wrong !!!
Fsu players played last year in their bowl game when it was the bowl they earned. I don't think they could get their head around putting forth the effort to play in a bowl they shouldn't have been in
Georgia this year reminds me of Ohio state 2015. Won the natty last year and was Loaded. Lost 1 game by a couple points but went OFF in the bowl game and was better than the other team that went to the playoff. Just had 1 bad game 1 bad night.
People talk about FSU'S culture..... They brought back the most production in the country from the 2022 team! Then were told games don't matter by the committee. What on earth 🌎 do they have to prove.
21-0 vs georgia 3rd string, georgia played, oregon played, Ohio st played, oklahoma played, sooo many teams showed up with most the starters, fsu decided to dip, bad culture
@setalight7290 You know Georgia doesnt get any credit for this meaningless game😂 lol
FSU had 3 stringers & walkons for the entire game. 94% of FSU total offense personnel was out if the game.
Georgia had their starters in game for 3 1/2 qtrs., beating up on FSU freshman & bench players.
It's kind of easy for fresh 5Star talented freshman to look good when your #1's have softened them up for 50mins of beatdown. Those FSU backups were worn out by the 4qtr.
Sea,
Every team in the country had guys opting out. Uga had over 20. What the fuck should Mike Norvell do? He can force these kids to play. Goddamn man.
@@amariantiquity8543 im pretty sure 60 point bowl victory is going down in history books
@@r.guardia9107 Do you mean see? Sea is not see... However, I graduated with a Masters from FSU so I don't know sh*t...
Dawgs Lost By 3 To Bama And Got Screwed By Dropping To #6. Ohio State Could Lose To Sister Mary Christian College And Drop From #1 To #2. Michigan Caught Cheating, Suspended Their Coach And Are Still In The Playoffs, Unbelievable.
cry some more committee got it right deal with it
FSU-UGA did not prove the committee wrong. Bama-UM did prove the committee wrong.
An OT game in the playoff proved them wrong?
@@drew311styleethey said FSU didn’t get in cause of having a back up QB. Milroes stats were worse than our third stringers. I think that’s what he’s saying
Clemson went undefeated in the Acc too. And, then cost Bama two national championships. So yea, the Acc is a power five conference. Oh yea, FSU went undefeated in the Acc and cost Auburn a national championship. So yea, teams out of the Acc can win it all vs the Sec.
Umm those teams were incredibly dominant, fsu this year wasn't. Fsu went undefeated in 2014 but they weren't all that impressive much like this fsu team and got destroyed 59-20
@@setalight7290fsu that year was a bunch of freshman pieces together with jabo. They didn’t have the talent they just had the best player in cfb. Fsu this year would have destroyed that 2014 team by 50
Go watch the 2nd half of every FSU game this year and tell me they weren't dominant after. @@setalight7290
None of the teams in the playoffs are dominant. Doesn’t matter if you’re dominant or not. A one point win is a win.
Btw, Clemson blew out Alabama in the national championship game in 2019? I guess they didn’t belong either.
The last few titles of the ACC all came at the expense of the SEC.
LETS GO JAKE!!!!! Love the passion, Go Noles!!
They proved that Georgia should have been there instead of UT!!
Of course GA should have been there over Texas. Anyone would favor GA over Texas. Texas, whose loss was to the lowest ranked team out of GA and Bama, only got in because they couldn’t put Bama in without Texas. In any other year they would have got in, but unfortunately GA fell victim to the circumstances.
Facts. Texas didn’t belong and shame on them for wasting AD Mitchell’s last college season too smh.
Maybe... Hear me out... Defeat Alabama in your own backyard then 😭😭🫵🏿
Ehhh wrong the beat the team that beat georgia, yall clowns
@@kizitokatende412 Meanwhile Texas…here me out…. lost to Oklahoma in their own backyard 😭😭🫵🏾
exactly, what does 14-0 prove? they still can't play in CFP. Bashing FSU on opt out orange bowl is so disingenuous.
The players who quit on their team should be excoriated for screwing their team mates. FSU got a raw deal and their "stars" stepped up by quitting.
@@chrisbotelho7212 No, reasonable people will applaud.
I agree with you 100%. Florida State should have been there.
FSU was/is trash!
@@pasilu007He keep saying Florida State should have been in
No team has ever fallen from 1 out of the top 4 until....UGA. One team saw an opportunity, the other team threw a fit.
One team needed a win after a loss and the other team did not. They had nothing else to prove after being told they won a trip to the OB an exhibition game. It's that simple. No comparison.
@@JessStanfield 😭😭😭😭😭👌
Whiny fit? or just tired of the system? You gotta be vocal and standfast if you want something to change.
@@NiktoonsTV I respect that, but the game was played. FSU is now a trivia question.
& no team in a power 5 conference who went undefeated has never been left out the playoffs til FSU
Fsu sat 20 player 22 starters a team the committee robbed them as an buckeye fan
No. The committee screwed them out of the playoff but that Orange Bowl debacle is on the players who quit on their team and team mates.
@chrisbotelho7212 that's on college football for making all bowl games worthless except the playoffs they need to just make them semi pro teams pay them and stop being associated with schools since most player don't even get a education
so what does fsu do they go and fuck there own fan base over the The fans that supported them all year long bought all the merchandise bought tickets to the game bought in the multiple nil programs that go to these players and like I said just have overall supported them as a team not only did they f*** their fan base over they f***** all the players that actually did go out and play against Georgia that had their back all year long all the second string players that had the first string players back all year long they let them boys go out there and just get the s*** beat out of them then they let all their coaches down that put all that work into them boys so while the committee may have robbed them so you say their Buckeye man they damn sure looked even more shittier than what the committee did to them by doing what they did to their fans coaches and teammates that tops with the committee ever has done
13 starters not 22. UGA was gonna dominate them no matter who played for FSU. Maybe score would’ve been 42 to 13 instead of a 60 point win but UGA is superior to fsu in all departments.
'Give Kirby Smart a month to prepare AND he felt like he was slighted?' That's a recipe for disaster for anyone who faces UGA.
2 consecutive bowl games UGA 128.....competition 10. The combined record for those 2 teams (TCU&FSU ) 25-1. Georgia's record for 2 years? 28-1. Not top four for Georgia. Best team period. Undefeated in 3 years of regular season play and goosed right in the ass by network tv. I may lie and you may lie but the numbers don't and that's the proof i need to understand what happened this year with the CFP. Texas/Bama rematch would have garnered the highest advertising revenue so the 11 people on the CFP who have ZERO college football experience (not even cleaning jock straps or servicing the seniors after a loss) went to work to make that happen.
The college kids responded and 2 blue teams will make this the last year that this CFP shitshow can ruin the very best from proving they are the best.
Exactly. ESPN is not going to like GA beat up other team by 60 points in the play off. Georgia lost to the Ref (not Bama) at the SEC championship by three. The ref should have review the incompletion call and over turn the 4th down completion. That's at least 7 points swing. Bama lost to Texas badly at home. Texas lost to 2 loss Oklahoma team. Which one lost is the worse? Georgia has consistently better than Bama or Texas through out the season. The committee want to see Bama rematch? Not a chance, both team lost at the semi-final.
Numbers do lie 13-0 meant nothing to a selection committee
The committee and the shitty refs didn't want to see Ga 3 peat . They wanted to see the Almighty Saban in there cause they love sucking on his balls
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Undefeated Matters‼️
The playoff proved the committee got it wrong
63 to 3
It really didn't, Florida state wouldn't of beaten any of the teams in the playoffs.
Liberty was undefeated too
Yeah and Georgia should have been in
The FSU team that went 13-0 and won the ACC title would have beat Michigan, I have zero doubt in that! FSU PROVED it all season!! The committee and ESPN wanted the SEC so FSU was the odd man out!
Not without Jordan Travis they wouldn't.
@@66fredo99yes they would easily Glenn did better than milroe!
WELL YOU CAN BE AS MAD AS YOU WANT. GEORGIA SMASHED THEM BY 60
Georgia defeating a fractured FSU roster, most of whom didn't even play the season that led FSU to 13-0, is not even remotely a good reason for Georgia to be in the playoffs. Georgia lost. Bama lost. Texas lost. FSU did not. FSU was told that its previous 13 wins, one of which was a beat down of #5 LSU to start the season, didn't even matter in the decision to consider them for playoff contention. But for some unknown and bizarre reason, the entire college football world has locked in to this ridiculous notion that the ONLY game that mattered on FSU's schedule was a BOWL GAME with Georgia. All other games on their schedule were dismissed as irrelevant. But this ONE game mattered! And FSU players responded appropriately with, "Well if the first 13 didn't matter, then neither does this one. BYE!"
As a UGA fan, I couldn't agree more. So many people wanna say that the committee "Got it right"... because of the outcome of the orange bowl game, but failing to realize that if FSU were in the playoff, then none of their starters would've opted out, and the QB wouldn't have entered the transfer portal. The cfp committee created this situation, it's all on them because they are trying so hard to over-correct for the debacle they created in the playoff last season because not moving TCU a single spot in the rankings at all when they lost their conference championship game is the reason they had a 58 point blowout loss in a national championship game, and it's also the reason UGA feels snubbed as well. The committee essentially created the exact problem again. This time they moved a team out of a playoff spot that they rightfully earned, and because of it a lot of players decided to not play or transfer, and also match them up against a pissed off UGA team, and that's how you get a 60 point blowout, and then wanna use this as a justified reason to why FSU shouldn't have been in the playoff. The blatant disrespect to people's intelligence and common sense is absolutely insane
FSU got screwed bu the committee. Their "stars" made it worse by quitting on their team. They took their ball and went home. Good plan.@@ericjayy5113
You don’t want to blame the culture but that’s exactly what it looks like to me. Both teams were slighted but GA decided to show everyone that the committee was wrong while FSU got out of dodge leaving their school and fellow players in the clutch. It’s definitely cultural.
The only people that can be critical of the FSU players sitting out are people who played for an undefeated team in a power 5 conference and didn’t get into the playoffs. No others have been in their shoes
Georgia played with players that WEREN'T coming back! Lol Milton NOT coming back. Edward's NOT coming back. Lassiter NOT coming back. Bullard NOT coming back. Ladd NOT coming back. Jack-Saint NOT coming back. Tykee NOT coming back. Zion NOT coming back.... probably more, NOT including the ones that didn't play that aren't coming back! Get your arguments right 1st!
They all played 1 quarter
@taylorlockett7497 they played the 1st half. It doesn't matter. He stated that the GA main players played because they were coming back. Which is false. These guys had no reason to play but for each other. Why didn't FSU do the same. AND the players named, were key contributors!
No, there was no way that could happen because the committee, ESPN and the SEC conspired against FSU.
The committee violated the contract and this may lead to the death of the ACC which we don’t want.
ESPN must lose broadcasting rights to all bowl games. Fox and CBS are to gain them.
SEC for the first several seasons of the 12 team playoff must be denied a top 8 spot and can only have one representative in the playoff.
ESPN, UT'S business partner via the LHN, told the CFP committee to put Texas in over FSU.
ESPN is why they moved FSU
Georgia was playing Qbs I didn’t know who they were and I am a fan! Kirby emptied the bench and FSU still couldn’t stop them.
Fsu wasnt even playing did you watch
You didn’t even watch the game most of the starters for FSU were not playing
So other than the 9 quitters who quit on their team is the FSU roster made up of walk ons and 2 stars? That's what it looked like. What? They only had 9 scholarship players on their team?@@DuckFanDane
No Georgia should of been in the playoffs
Yeah? Prove it. Take your time.
I know you can't but i'll give you the opportunity that was denied UGA.
If you say something without proof ANYONE can dismiss it without proof.
@@wesleygary6651 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a moron
Would be favored by vegas against Michigan and washington
@@wesleygary6651 Georgia had been to the championship game The last 3 years in a row and was on a 30 game winning streak and lost by 3 to Alabama. Then went on to give FSU the largest a** whipping in college football history, they could beat washington and michigan And everyone knows it. RIP FSU
2 years in a row and 29 game winning streak but hey--even UGA wasn't going to generate 1,000,000,000 in betting or ad revenue for the natty.
At best Michigan vs UGA would do well but not well enough, thus we received a beggars share of a bowl game and Kirby responded the only way he could.@@sebfettel
FSU didnt deserve to be there and they proved the committee's right... FSU was this year's TCU.
Really what did FSU had to prove? If 13 games didn't provide enough evidence one more game wouldn't. And even if they did beat Georgia then what? They would still be in the same position at home not in the CFP. Georgia smacked FSU and guess where they at? Not on the CFP. And the difference between Georgia and FSU when it came down to crunch time Georgia folded to bama and FSU still won even with a third string QB.
Kirby had his guys ready to play. Kirby had no control over FL St's willingness to play.
Bowl organizers should never invite FSU to play in their bowl games. FSU proved that they're a bunch of cry babies if they can't make it into the CFP and deserves to be shamed for this indefinitely.
Lol no one cares
They should call them holiday scrimmages instead of bowl games. Not even worth watching. Transfer portal is murdering the sport I love.
No, FSU was playing w/ 3rd, 4th, etc stringers...get real
FSU should have “opted out” the day of the game. Since they got screwed they should have screwed the tv networks that are driving all of this nonsense to begin with!
And don’t get me wrong, UGA got screwed by the committee, too! Both of those teams have a ton to be pissed about!
This here is the correct answer. The other part of it is, don’t watch the games. That really gets em where it hurts.
Would you hire someone who contributed to that?
@@mobeydick37, that peacefully protests legitimate injustice? I suppose so. Not being argumentative, but what would you suggest given they were legitimately screwed out of the chance to play for a championship? The committee told everyone that what happens on the field doesn’t matter. Whatever their subjective and highly biased opinion is is now all that matters and their opinions are driven by what makes the most money for the tv networks. If I had a 7 or 8 figure payday on the line why would I play in a “meaningless bowl game”? And again, brother, I’m not being argumentative, I just don’t know how else to make them do what’s right other than to make it clear if they screw teams over for money, they will in turn lose any money they could make on the brands/teams they’ve screwed over. But that just my humble opinion.
@@kristindanielcarrington3318 UGA has a more legitimate claim to be in the playoffs than FSU They weren't banged up! ONE play cost them a shot not one player! BTW: I don't know if you noticed but EVERY single bowl game was down on attendance! The Fiesta Bowl wasn't even shown on my TV network! The ONLY games that matter now are playoff games!
@@mobeydick37 thanks for making my point. Why risk a multi million dollar payday by playing in a game that doesn’t matter?
I think one thing you have to acknowledge is that the snub was unprecedented -- and frankly never going to happen again (we are going to a 12 team playoff next year). When I say unprecedented -- I mean it from the standpoint that the college football sport as a whole has moved to be essentially a pro-sport (players are getting paid more than some semi-pro teams). I think the expectations that have been built up with that and the fact that TV ratings drove the committee's decision to move up a pair of one-loss teams ahead of FSU and allow a team accused of blatant cheating have caused tremendous emotional and mental pain for these FSU athletes that is beyond what I would expect a coaching staff to help assuage. I mean, at least with Georgia -- they are out cuz they lost. Others can fall on those acceptable outcomes -- not FSU. I think that sort of damage to an athletes psychology was not only not taken into account, but the magnitude of that pain was not fully comprehended -- especially at this level. That is what the media and entertainment industry will not acknowledge.
If a player opts out of any scheduled games, 100% of their NIL earnings should be subject to clawback.
A culture of ZERO character - remember 2014 vs. Oregon? FSU quit in the middle of the game - ZERO character - FSU played a below .500 schedule in 2023 - they were NOT one of the 4 best teams in the country - PERIOD - Georgia was - PERIOD - the Criminoles are quitters - PERIOD - the Dawgs are NOT - PERIOD
21-0 in second half against Georgia 3rd and 4th string freshmen.
UGA won what was essentially a scrimmage.
Every talking head, especially at ESPN, agrees that the bowls are basically exhibitions.
So if the bowls are exhibitions, then why should the results hold any merit?
Make this make sense?
Who the heck cares what ESPN thinks???? They aren't experts at anything except bidding for ratings & collecting money. Period.
It's only a "scrimmage" because FSU lost. Had FSU won the game they'd be rolling through the streets of Disney like UCF did. This is just a bitter fan base's take on the situation.
@@Michigan_Spyglasses | It was a scrimmage this year...last year...and 5 years before that.
Its ok to call things what it is my guy. Exhibition....scrimmage....Evaluation tool for next year's team. You can call it whatever you like. One thing for sure is, its not a game you should put much stock in.
You're welcome
@@Michigan_Spyglassesno they wouldnt
Does Crain and Company still feel that Michigan has no chance of beating Bama in the playoff game played last night?
Instead of protesting and not showing up for the game. Florida State showed up with a high school football team
The final rankings should have been 1. Michigan. 2. Washington 3. Florida State 4. Georgia. IMO. Yes, FS would have probably gotten creamed by Wash but they deserved the chance to get creamed by Washington. And yes, Bama beat Ga by a field goal after being gifted a TD on the catch that wasn’t. But I blame Kirby for that. He should have challenged it because the replay would have shown it was Ga ball but instead Bama goes on to score. He was so worried about losing a timeout he lost the game. Ga didn’t lose the game, KS lost the game. But what’s done is done so on to next year.
"Deserving the chance to get creamed" costs millions in lost revenue. That happened last year when millions of TV channels changed because of an inferior team played in a game "they deserved" to be in. Another 65-7 game makes no sense when there are better options.
You are probably correct about the revenue consideration but that doesn’t make the decision any better and I’m not even a FSU fan. Regardless, it’s just another sad commentary on a society where every decision and action revolves around money. That may be the world we live in but it still sucks.
I agree with your rankings, just not the “creamed” comment. I fully believe even without JTrav, the 13-0 Nole team would have found a way to win it. With Jordan, lights out.
I say creamed only because that is the prevailing argument that they would be. You’re right, maybe they wouldn’t be. The thing about college football is anything can happen on any given game day. I haven’t really watched FSU this year so I don’t know how good their secondary is and from what I have seen from Washington and their deep ball QB is a team definitely needs a good secondary against them. I do agree with a lot of other people who have said that Bama isn’t as “good” when they don’t have a SEC ref team backing them up. Yeah, every fan base claims the refs were bias sometimes but the favoritism shown Alabama has been quite obvious for years, with few exceptions, no matter who they played. But even with the bad/missed calls Ga did make a mistake or two that Bama cashed in on. I still believe despite the results of one game Ga was the better team for the year and most agree. But it’s college football and the better team doesn’t always win. As far as FSU, unfortunately we will never know how they would have done.
@@66fredo99but no one can score on fsu defense so there was no chance of that happening
Finally someone with sense. Fsu went 13-0 just like Michigan & Washington lol and fsu got their resume compared to all the teams that had 1 L. Talk about slap in the face.
Its not Georgia's fault that FSU have quitters on their team. Georgia did what they were supposed to do. If FSU had all their starters, Georgia would have won by 21 minimum. That's just the way it is. I applaud the Dawgs for showing up. FSU had to be sacrificed to prove a point...and Kirby did.
Fsu should have all played and tried to beat UGA...it wouldn't have happened but at least they would have been respected.
Great group of guys you got there Norvell
The College Football Oligarchy decided to make money more important than anything when choosing "playoff" teams. Told FSU that 13 games didn't matter but then expected players to play in one final game risking injury only to help that College Football Oligarchy. Only fools or those who are being intellectually dishonest would expect that.
Liberty was 13-0. An undefeated schedule isn’t a guarantee to the playoffs, especially when your schedule was weak. There’s always been 4 seats at a table for 5. This was bound to happen. Sucks to suck.
ESPN was not gonna get TCU'd again..that's why FSU got left out. FSU without Jordan Travis is a vastly inferior team to FSU with Jordan Travis. If they got in they would have been beaten pretty soundly, starters and all. Everybody in Tallahassee knows this.
@@66fredo99you clearly dont know ball 🤡😂🤦🏼♂️
I never knew the Daily Wire was tone deaf on politics and football, that's crazy!
RIP FSU sorry you're so salty and whinny, refusing to play would have been an even bigger embarrassment than the already epic embarrassment that occurred and there is no excuse for that performance none whatsoever
Who beat our main core that went 13-0???
The main core who quit on their teammates and school?😂😂😂
@@reaxions No! The main core that went undefeated & had nothing else to prove in a bull shit scrimmage game
Dumb argument - of the NFL-draft eligible players from UGA - only Carson Beck is coming back. 18 players transferred - two starters and two notable back-ups among them. Van Pran, McConkey, Bullard, Lassiter, Edwards, Milton, & Tykee Smith were draft eligible but DID NOT opt out. All have declared for the draft AFTER the Orange Bowl game. Only Bowers and Mims (both had tightrope surgery) opted out and have declared for the draft. Jeez...get your facts straight guy.
No Ga and FSU should have been in the playoff period we as fans knew we would lose thats why i dont understand why GA fans are so proud of the win. Winning against GA and going 14 and 0 still would leave 2 undefeated teams so who would really be the champ for the year its stupid to say we should have played our best player and risk injury and millions just to beat GA with no shot at the championship make it make sense if we lost like that in the Playoffs i would understand
Resumes like this game are great for recruiting...but with FSU relying so much on the portal it wouldn't make a lot of sense. To be proud of a 63-3 beatdown of a power 5 school sells the program. Have you seen UGA's trophy hall? Impressive.
@@66fredo99 Have you seen ours too
I’m a Bama fan so you already don’t like me I know. But I’m also a straight up guy. Face the truth no matter what. I was shocked they put Bama in the playoffs. Was this years pick, 4 of the best teams. Absolutely. But I just don’t see how you leave Florida St out. Florida St did everything they were suppose to do. Do I think they could beat either of the 4 picks? No. But thats not for me to say. They were 13 and 0. There was nothing else they could do other than win bigger than they did. However if they had shut out all 13 opponents their record would be exactly what it is right now. I’m not for or against FSU. I’m just being honest and know I would not be a happy camper if my team was 13 & 0 and didn’t get into the playoffs. And so would anyone…
A logical alabama fan, respect brother. We are mad, whiney crybabies tho cause we were supposed to go make a good product for the TV network that completely hosed us for a month straight influencing the thought patterns of a committee. Sounds like a bad culture in Tallahassee tho lol
Don't forget, UCF also named themselves national champions (and even hung a banner in their stadium) a few short years ago because they went undefeated (with a schedule similar to FSU this year).
@reaxions lol nice answer, ucf would never have lsu, miami and Florida on their schedule in the same season. Try again. Oh and michigan had a soft schedule and still beat the SEC champs🤔
Oh, you're referring to the powerhouses with a combined record of 22-17, this year? Forgive me, I stand corrected. Bwwaahhhaaaa!!! And Michigan? I thought you were talking about FSU? AND, since you were, it's too bad undefeated FSU couldn't even beat the SEC runners up.
@reaxions Your the one bringing up irrelevance in UCF from a different time on someone elses comments. Excuse me tho lol im glad you think your funny. Not sure what's funnier tho getting hung by 60 with a practice squad or going 13-0 and getting passed by 2 loss teams🤔 oh no wait ur the joke
Georgia should have been in. They would win the whole thing
Fsu too
Committee right? Hahahaha. No Georgia proved them wrong two years in a row.
Of course Georgia should have been in. Kirby did not run up the score. 21-0 in 2nd half playing freshmen against FSU. Opt outs are losers. It’s a culture problem. Bama got snubbed last year and they went on to destroy Big12 champ in a meaningless bowl game last year. Bama had 0 opt outs including #1 and #3 NFL draft picks.
I think it should be contracted that players can not transfer or leave before bowl games. It makes the bowls almost pointless.
They are pointless. Their not conference games, they don’t matter in the rankings. And you can start the next year out when things count at a disadvantage in the standings because of them. You can lose players to injuries and more.
Tell 'em Jake! Nothing is better than your take!
The two things wrong with bowl games is that there's too many of them for businesses to get on tv to sponsor themselves rather than promote football and that only a handful of bowls that are not NY6 bowls matter. In fact, sometimes the NY6 bowls that were not semifinals didn't matter. A lot of the issues with less interest in bowl games falls on the media, specifically ESPN due to having broadcast rights of nearly every bowl game. For instance, every season, College Gameday always does a show from the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day even if it is not a semifinal. They don't do the same thing for the other NY6 bowls when they're on New Year's Day. I understand that the Rose Bowl is the oldest played bowl game. However, for some people of didn't regions, myself included growing up in Tennessee, we don't care about the Rose Bowl in non Semifinal years nor did we care about it if it was not the National Championship Game during the first half of the BCS era when the BCS bowl game WAS the National Championship Game (2001 & 2005 seasons). Historically, we in the South and SEC country have not cared about the Rose Bowl in the post-WWII era. So how should we fix it? The three things that must be done to at least have a shot at bringing back some level of interest back into bowl games is get rid of meaningless bowls like Boca Raton, Myrtle Beach, and Frisco Bowl, just to name a few. Next, raise the bowl eligibility from 6 wins to (bare minimum) 8 wins, no one should be rewarded for finishing at .500. Thirdly, get rid of conference tie-ins for none NY6/CFP bowls (now that the four team playoff era is over) and have selection be based off of the oldest played and have each bowl game pick whoever is left from the bowl eligibility pool as you go down the line for each bowl. Do that and, if all else fails, at least you attempted to fix this issue. Although, and this applies to college football as a whole, get a governing over all of college football like Roger Goodell in the NFL or Adam Silver in the NBA.
Maybe they should have had crab legs at the game.
They got it right
Or maybe the ACC is garbage
Hey bud - Georgia had 27 opt outs and injured - Florida State had 27 opt outs and injured - Georgia was just better - get over it and stop yelling!
I would like to see NFL teams judge players on their level of commitment.
Thank you for understanding FSU.
This game proved absolutely nothing. It was essentially a protest.
You might want to take another look at the UGA players that aren’t coming back that played in that game. They aren’t all coming back. Brock, Mimms, and Mondon were all injured. Dumas transfered along with our second string QB. McConkey, Van Pran, Truss, Jack-Saint, Milton, Edwards, Tykee Smith, Kamari Lassiter, Javon Bullard , Zion Lougue, and Stackhouse all played and are all going to the pros. So don’t give me the “they are all coming back”!! Just wanted to clear that up cuzz I think it’s funny they say, well all those guys were going pro. Let’s see which team has more guys drafted when it’s all said and done this year.
No..All of the bowl games except the playoff games are meaningless exhibition games.
Injuries transfers and opt outs have ruined allof the bowl games except the playoff games.
No transfers 'til the season is concluded/finished/complete and no opt outs unless injured. That right there returns the bowl season to its rightful meaningful place. And just as important, teams should have a winning record to be eligible. No more of 6-6 vs 6-6 bs. A bowl should - and used to be - a reward for a season well played.
Great take. FSU got robbed
Robbed. Then UGA mugged them.
Thank you for saying the things out loud
I agree 100%
All that mental gymnastics about how FSU couldn't be competitive w/o their starting QB... Michigan ended up playing against a QBR of 45.1 anyway.
I'm not sure if it was irony, or God's divine justice.... but all the Bama trolling about the orange bowl, then losing against a very imperfect Michigan team (muffed punts, missed kicks) set up a GLORIOUS jinx.
Rules of college football trash talk jinx:
1. keep your mouth shut about early rivalry losses until you teams wins
2. Never say the kicker 'hasn't missed in 30 attempts' right before a critical FG attempt.
FSU wouldn’t have scored a single touchdown against Michigan 🤷♂️
The 12 team playoff isn’t going to solve anything because you’re still going to have the same problem with the ones that don’t make the 12 team playoff….opt ops, transfers etc. There needs to be system and rules in place for this shit show man smh
It all starts from the top down...FSU took on the victim mentality of their head coach and it showed to the tune of 63-3. C'est la vie 🤷🏿♂️
Best way to put it. The coach gave up on his team. Why would anybody won't to play for someone like that. That's the different from both coaches. Kirby didn't let his guys get that mind set like that. Also Kirby took that game to prepare his guys who going to play next year. But FSU coach didn't take that opportunity to do That
What do you mean we got to pay them to play the bowls they already are getting paid now bc of NIL and still aren’t playing them
100%
UGA has soldiers, FSU has mercenaries. End of story.
Uga had over 20 guys missing. Uga ain’t got “culture” either. Just amazing depth.
FSU would have been crushed by Michigan had they gotten in.
Lolol. Not quite. Do you watch football or a team? FSU was loaded.
@@m.d.2256 listen here. I watched most of the rose bowl and I can tell you right now Florida State would not have kept it that close. And Florida State had 29 players opt out of the game vs Georgia.
@@br61499 I agree...but all people who counter your side are speaking if FSU were in the playoffs with a fully loaded roster w/o Travis. FSU was still loaded w/o Travis...so loaded that it could have beaten MICH. FSU d-line was elite. The WR's and RB's too. The TE. The LB's and CB's are good. Ask LSU and UL, CLEM and all other teams that got a loss because of FSU.
@@m.d.2256 FSU w/o Travis was trash. Struggled to beat UF by nine, Louisville by four. Woulda lost to Michigan by 14. Woulda lost to UGA by 30 at both teams full strength. Without their starters they lost to UGA by 60. Makes sense.
@@66fredo99 was Alabama trash with a healthy starting lineup? Hey. FSU's backup was a starter for 1 game. With a month ahead, he he is better. "Trash" is absurd for a team who went on the road and beat.......by double digits its rival. He didn't lose the game. "Trash" when it started a true freshman qb in a championship game against a team that plays defense and offense? But we don't call Milroe trash? Milroe, nor Rodemaker, nor bama, nor fsu are" trash". It is a team game. Teams win often with good, not great qb play. Winning is winning...even if it is by .2 points. And you see the undefeated teams who got in .....well, they are still playing.
NIL should have both clawbacks for not playing and additional money for playing. Like if they opt out, they should owe NIL money, but if they play, they get extra.
No, it did not. It should still have been Georgia, not Alabama in the playoff.
Georgia had they opportunity and they lost to Alabama
As a Michigan fan if the committee had chosen Georgia, My Wolverines would had lost. Nevertheless the less, Florida this one was for you 🏈
No sir…the bowls can mean something if you flip all the Non-Playoff Bowls to become WEEK 1 big brands vs big brand kickoff bowls.
As and FSU fan thank you for this video and your support. Why I'm now going to subscribe. On a another Note Screw Paul Finebaum and his show. Finebaum stated early this week that Novel should look for another job and just bashed FSU.
I actually i look at it the committee got exposed you put two losing teams above a undefeated team. Just for them both to lose again. I look at it this way Florida State could have went and loss to or hell they might have pulled a TCU but instead you put losers above winners just for them to lose again. This is coming from a Georgia fan GO DAWGS
Fsu defense was elite so no chance of that
Yes, and thanks to UGA for not taking your foot off the gas to prove this point!
as a FSU fan, im excited for 2024 its gunna be a new feel yes, but its not like the culture is bad or the 63-3 is gunna hurt us bad, which it isnt, yea it does suck but we move on and get better, we went 13-0 that should not be left out. amazing season, ok 13-1 but still really good, im excited for the future of FSU Football and so should others, Georgia is my #2 favorite team and they are gunna be losing some guys too but they will be good in 2024 as well. both FSU and Georgia have great coaches for the future and thats all you can ask for.
I agree 100%. FSU should have been in. Didn’t lose - decided that games don’t matter after the committee told them. Good for them. UGA deserved to be there becssue they lost. 12-1.
Lose one player, not worthy
Lose 25 plus, still not worthy
SEC Privilege in full effect
Why not let kids transfer 365 days a year. So kids can leave after Week 6. The idiots in charge of college football are slaughtering the golden goose.
Because this is COLLEGE...they have to go thru the Admissions Office then the Registrars Office to complete the transfer. It works via the semester system like any other student.i.e., they start classes at the beginning of the semester. You can't just stroll into a classroom at any point in the semester just because you play football.
From a viable internal source, not one single bulldog opted out unless they were less than 90% healthy. That makes me incredibly proud as an alumnus. While you are at UGA It’s the power block-G ahead of self.
Hated to see Florida states dudes who played endure that beating; but it’s what Kirby had to do.
No the committee was wrong. This proves UGA should have been in the final four!
Georgia lost to a team that already lost in the playoff therefore they have no argument. (Bama got dominated at the los)
If FSU had gotten in I believe their defense wouldve kept it close but I dont think they wouldve beat Michigan
Now If FSU had JT I believe they would've been the 3 seed and definitely could've beat Washington but I don't think FSU is good enough at the los to beat Michigan especially their oline (which has been an issue) vs Michigan dline.
None of the NY6 bowl games meant anything as its my understanding that the 3 SEC teams had no opt outs except BB and the 3 teams they played were missing several all conference n AA talents. They're exhibition games.
Your logic makes no sense - Texas had a bad loss and going by your formula they had no business in the playoffs. The committee can't pick some teams because they earned it and others because they think they are among the best 4 in the country. They got it wrong and they got it wrong bad.
FSU should have been in the playoff, but they were never one of the four best teams. No higher than sixth, although I don’t like their chances against Oregon, Ole Miss, or Missouri either.
Ga had every right 2 b there they prove it regardless of what game it was..its not Ga fault that those players chose to sit(excuses)
#1 has neva drop out of the #4 spot in the 4-team playoff eva so we felt rob to..say what makes u feel good Ga fans won there last game 😎🍺
since bama didnt get blown out you have to use the excuse of getting beat at the line ofg scrimmage? what are we even doing
You could not be more wrong about this. FSU made fools of themselves.
The ACC is a power 5 conference in name only.
That is the false perception with no data to support it!
An SEC team was going into the playoff, no matter what. When Bama beat UGA, FSU got screwed in that moment. Had UGA won, the four undefeated teams go in. Simple. But when Bama won, and given that an SEC had to be in the playoff, Texas got in so that Bama could be justified. The path of least resistance was to say, "well Jordan Travis is out, so ..." The decision was between Texas and FSU. Not between Bama and FSU. So, put Texas at number three so that the focus would be off of them. Very smartly played.
The CFP broke the rules and we saw 2 shitty teams do what they did best and that was both lose.
😠
They aren’t rules, they’re guidelines. Also, learn how to spell lose
@@Wingman813 you have no understanding of what you’re talking about.
@@gearmonkey5904 Also, thank you for editing to correct "loose" to "lose".
@@gearmonkey5904 Shitty teams lose 63-3 not take number 1 teams to overtime. cry harder
Thank you, Jake. 🥹❤️💛
Thank you Jake. Geeze.