And the crazy thing about those CC starts on 3 days rest? The manager didn't ask him to do it. The other players didn't ask him to do it. His agents sure as hell didn't ask him to do it. He asked the manager if he could. As a Brewers fan, that man quite literally carried us into the postseason singlehandedly. Also fun fact: that comp pick the Angels got from the Yankees? It was originally supposed to go to the Brewers, however as Teixeria was the only type A free agent ranked higher than Sabathia, it went to the Angels instead. Both former Brewers gm Doug Melvin and assistant gm Gord Ash have since said that Mike Trout was very high on their list and had they had they had the 25th pick, they would've taken Trout if here were available.
Love Joe Blaton. Cluch homers and all. If memory serves, that 4 aces SI cover wasn’t supposed to have Blanton on it, but Halladay & co. refused to do it without him.
The Rich Harden trade could’ve been so much better for the Cubs if Lou Piniella had started him in Game 1 against the Dodgers in 2008 when he literally had the most rest of any Cubs starting pitcher going into the playoffs. Instead, he started Ryan Dempster, who went on to walk 7 Dodgers hitters, allow a grand slam to James Fucking Loney, and couldn’t make it through 5 innings after being one of the best starting pitchers in baseball during the regular season. Also, while it did suck seeing Josh Donaldson turn into a borderline HOFer, the Cubs did feel like they were dealing from a position of strength at that time. Donaldson was still a catcher at that time and the Cubs catcher that season, Geovany Soto, was the NL Rookie of the Year. Sadly, he was never the same player as he was in 2008 beyond 2008.
The Cubs were tanking right in the middle of Donaldson's peak, so he likely would have gone elsewhere or been a good player on a bad team. But more importantly, if Donaldson is still around, do we draft Kris Bryant in 2013?
@@matthewhallberg8256Good point. Hell, if Donaldson is still around, does Hendry still get fired in 2011, leading to Theo being brought over and turning the franchise around? JH probably still goes, but it may have been a different hire with the farm in better shape than it was at the time.
Piniella also fumbled the pitching in 07 as well. In Game 1 versus Arizona. He pulled Zambrano after six when he was dealing and the Cubs immediately blew the game. Claimed he was saving him for a potential game 4, which never came to be as they were swept...
I think people underestimate how much the CC Trade changed the culture is Milwaukee for years to come, while the Brewers missed the playoffs in 2009 and 2010 the 2008 team layed the framework for the 2011 NLCS team and make the front office confident that the Brewers were always just a step away. If CC never comes to Milwaukee in the first place, Ryan Braun might not sign the huge extension he did. That extension prevented the Brewers from totally rebuilding. If the Brewers just rebuilt with their Prospects that never panned out then maybe they never trade for Yelich to complement a very underrated bat in 2018-2020 Ryan Braun. Yelich has publicly stated that Braun was a good influence during his MVP caliber seasons in 2018 & 19. Yelich is still an amazing bat to this day. I don’t know, just something to think about.
@@MichaelJohnston-w2ii love Roy Halladay but Stieb is 1st in Jays history in rWAR, IP, and Ks. he didn’t get the recognition he deserved while he was playing but Dave Stieb is undoubtably the greatest Blue Jay ever
I will never forget the 2008 deadline. I was 11 and at sleepaway camp on cape cod. we didn't have access to the internet or outside media. We were at an all-camp assembly (not related to baseball) when our camp directors broke the news of the Manny trade to the mostly Red Sox fan campers. We were all stunned, having grown up watching Manny, and had no idea who jason bay was.
Since it wasn't mentioned in the video (because it's not really relevant lol), in 2008, CC Sabathia separately led both the AL and the NL in complete games -- he's bolded on both rows of his BBRef page. I'm not sure how many players have led both leagues in any stat, let alone CGs.
He led both leagues in complete game **shutouts**, but he didn't lead the AL in complete games. He occupies the strange place in history of actually leading the majors in CG's that season but not leading the American League. Roy Halladay had more CG's purely in the American League (9) while Sabathia had 3 in the AL and 7 in the NL. what an amazing year
16:23 dodger stadium was electric during the mannywood era. Ned Collettie deserves to he in the hof for the teams he put together with that terrible owner
Everyone rips on the Dodgers these days for buying up players and being "Yankees west" but people forget that during the 90s and up to 2008, the Dodgers only had 2 wild cards in 96 and 06 and 2 division titles in 95 and 04 and were constantly buying past their prime veterans. That trade for Manny in 08 was the first time in my life I felt like the team was actually trying to win the World Series
15:35 if you aren't from the west it's hard to put into words just how special that "MANNY-WOOD" run was.I mean not only did he put up monster numbers but Bill-Boards, ads, commercials, you turn on the radio in the morning and the radio station is talking about what he did last night, it was insane! Idk if i've ever seen the city embrace a player like that LET ALONE A MID-SEASON TRADE
The thing about Sabathia's season with Cleveland in 2008 is that his first four starts he allowed 27ER in 18 IP for a 13.50 ERA, but he had a 2.16 ERA in 104 IP in the subsequent 14 starts before being traded. I'm pretty certain anyone in baseball looking for a starter would have been aware of how badly the start to the season had skewed his numbers, and that he had pitched like the ace that he was in the 2.5+ months since. No one needed to "buy low" on him.
Video idea: worst deadline fire sales ever. Fire sales that ended up not giving the selling team much in return in the following years after the fire sale. 2018 Orioles comes to mind with just one guy, Dean Kremer, being a regular piece or even still being with the Orioles since that deadline.
The whole carlos santana killing ranked mode this year was so overblown. The santana boost was live for about a month. Then season 2 came out and it was immediately forgotten. No one uses his boost anymore to this day because there are better boosts if you want to go that route. Corbin Carroll boost in season 2 is insane with all the extremely high power/ high speed players they released during the all star break and beyond. Santana's boost was never even anything special, you had to field an entire team of switch hitters (which on average are worse offensively than pure righty or pure lefty hitters) just to get +10 contact on players who already had almost maxed contact. You saw it during the last 3-4 weeks of season 1 only, because before that last drop of cards, there simply wasn't enough good switch hitters to make the boost even worth using.
Fun fact: that year the Pirates almost had a deal to trade Jason Bay to the Rays. In return they would receive SP Jeff Niemman and SS Reid Brignac. However Pittsburgh supposedly wanted more possibly top prospects like Jeremy Hellickson or David Price. Anyways the original deal would have been way better than what the Pirates got
I remember Niemman mostly for the fact that he was starting against Boston at the one game I've ever attended (9/06/10). Dude completely fell off after that season.
My very first MLB game I got to see Manny Ramirez get a hit as a Dodger. The people I went to the game with got us to the game late and as I was walking up the steps in left field Manny hit the ball. I remember being pretty stoked to get to see Casey Blake playing.
Jolly, for a ref guess you could do guys who were traded at the trade deadline and include Casey Kotchman. He played for the Halos, Rangers, and I believe the Braves among other teams.
Awesome video. The annual tradition has been to talk about the best deadlines in recent memory, but next year should be a video about the 2013 deadline being the worst.
The mariners were playing the white sox today. AJ Pierzynski was in the Mariners booth. He talked about that Griffey throw during the game. What a coincidence
The irony of the deadline was the Phillies won the WS and the Phils had one of the most confounding non-deadlines for a competitor ever. They "addressed" their 3 biggest needs... but the players they got screamed "6th Option" The biggest issue was by far the rotation. It was Hamels and Moyer dragging 3 different 5.50 ERA rocks... so they naturally went and got.... -- A 4.96 ERA, -0.2 WAR Joe Blanton??? That was the watershed move. The other two needs were LHP bullpen depth and a bench bat. To address that... they got... -- A 36yo, 7.15 ERA, -0.3 WAR in Scott Eyre for the pen -- A 40yo, 98 OPS+, -0.4 WAR in Matt Stairs for the bench Yet, all 3 showed up and delivered well beyond expected role. Better yet, all 3 of those guys had another year on their contract and stayed productive in 2009 too... wild man...
Joey Bats may not be in Cooperstown but he is forever immortalized in the Blue Jays Level of Excellence alongside the Doc, Delgado, Touch ‘em All Joe, and Ford C. Frick award winning broadcaster Tom Cheek. I’m sure one day we may see Vladdy Jr join those ranks especially if he gets the chance to join his elite papi in Cooperstown.
You know, I was thinking that the angels ending up with Mike trout after Mark left would have been the best trade of that year... And then I forgot about Jose Bautista.
Just curious, I just clicked on this video. Before I watch, does he bring up that the angels indirectly got mike trout when teixeira left for the yankees in 2009?
Jose Bautista is the most valuable position player in Blue Jays history, but don’t you dare forget the GOAT Dave Stieb and his 56.9 WAR as the best pitcher of the 80s.
I watch your content quite a bit. You do phenomenal work. But I gotta say, something about "ladies and gentlemen, and everyone in between" in your outtro gives me an amount of comfort that maybe the world isn't as shit as I think it to be, always. Sorry to get sappy, I just didn't think I'd be this bitter with people at age 36, and with how casually you said that, almost like that sort of tolerance should just be expected of us... that means a lot. Thanks for that.
Carlos Delgado may be "criminally underrated", but he isn't even the most underrated Blue Jays first baseman. That honor goes to John Olerud and his 57.3 career fWAR (6.3 better than first-ballot Hall-of-Famer David Ortiz, and 13.2 more than Delgado himself)
Babe wake up. New Jubilant Kumquat video just dropped
Ecstatic Caper
Dude I just looked up that kumquat thing he was talking about, that's True. That's like 100 percent- everything he said was true
@@TheMostCasualLurker and you commented under me that’s how TH-cam works babe
As if you could get a girlfriend lmao
Is that an Indian name?
"Criminally underrated Carlos Delgado" My favorite line in the video.
He played most of his career for a mid team outside of the U.S. He didn't get much exposure.
Mets legend Carlos Delgado
Mannywood >
Utley’s corner>>>
Randyland >
And the crazy thing about those CC starts on 3 days rest? The manager didn't ask him to do it. The other players didn't ask him to do it. His agents sure as hell didn't ask him to do it. He asked the manager if he could. As a Brewers fan, that man quite literally carried us into the postseason singlehandedly.
Also fun fact: that comp pick the Angels got from the Yankees? It was originally supposed to go to the Brewers, however as Teixeria was the only type A free agent ranked higher than Sabathia, it went to the Angels instead. Both former Brewers gm Doug Melvin and assistant gm Gord Ash have since said that Mike Trout was very high on their list and had they had they had the 25th pick, they would've taken Trout if here were available.
Ccs an all time team player gave up half a mil to plunk a guy for his teammate
And the Brewers still cant sniff a World Series Championship
The Power Pros music is so fitting for this video. Brings back memories of playing with these guys in that game
Love Joe Blaton. Cluch homers and all. If memory serves, that 4 aces SI cover wasn’t supposed to have Blanton on it, but Halladay & co. refused to do it without him.
And that trade was so lopsided for the Phillies, he doesn't even bother mentioning what the Phils gave up
Funny thing was Blanton barely played in 2011 the fifth starter was Vance Worley in 2011
Country Joe!
“How bout Blanton going deep!”
The Rich Harden trade could’ve been so much better for the Cubs if Lou Piniella had started him in Game 1 against the Dodgers in 2008 when he literally had the most rest of any Cubs starting pitcher going into the playoffs. Instead, he started Ryan Dempster, who went on to walk 7 Dodgers hitters, allow a grand slam to James Fucking Loney, and couldn’t make it through 5 innings after being one of the best starting pitchers in baseball during the regular season. Also, while it did suck seeing Josh Donaldson turn into a borderline HOFer, the Cubs did feel like they were dealing from a position of strength at that time. Donaldson was still a catcher at that time and the Cubs catcher that season, Geovany Soto, was the NL Rookie of the Year. Sadly, he was never the same player as he was in 2008 beyond 2008.
The Cubs were tanking right in the middle of Donaldson's peak, so he likely would have gone elsewhere or been a good player on a bad team. But more importantly, if Donaldson is still around, do we draft Kris Bryant in 2013?
@@matthewhallberg8256Good point. Hell, if Donaldson is still around, does Hendry still get fired in 2011, leading to Theo being brought over and turning the franchise around? JH probably still goes, but it may have been a different hire with the farm in better shape than it was at the time.
Piniella also fumbled the pitching in 07 as well. In Game 1 versus Arizona. He pulled Zambrano after six when he was dealing and the Cubs immediately blew the game. Claimed he was saving him for a potential game 4, which never came to be as they were swept...
The level of joy I assume Jolly got posting the Phillies awkward interview clip, I assume is great.
this is such a banger video, i was 8 years old watching these teams and had no clue how each players got on these teams. please more videos like this
"Criminally underrated Carlos Delgado"
I think people underestimate how much the CC Trade changed the culture is Milwaukee for years to come, while the Brewers missed the playoffs in 2009 and 2010 the 2008 team layed the framework for the 2011 NLCS team and make the front office confident that the Brewers were always just a step away. If CC never comes to Milwaukee in the first place, Ryan Braun might not sign the huge extension he did. That extension prevented the Brewers from totally rebuilding. If the Brewers just rebuilt with their Prospects that never panned out then maybe they never trade for Yelich to complement a very underrated bat in 2018-2020 Ryan Braun. Yelich has publicly stated that Braun was a good influence during his MVP caliber seasons in 2018 & 19. Yelich is still an amazing bat to this day. I don’t know, just something to think about.
Happy grape ❌
Sad apple ✅
calling jose bautista the greatest player in jays history is dave stieb erasure and i won’t stand for it
Seconded.
He’s not even better than Carlos Delgado
But Bautista was probably the most exciting player to watch and witness because he hit his prime out of nowhere.
Roy Halliday…I rest my case
@@MichaelJohnston-w2ii love Roy Halladay but Stieb is 1st in Jays history in rWAR, IP, and Ks. he didn’t get the recognition he deserved while he was playing but Dave Stieb is undoubtably the greatest Blue Jay ever
I will never forget the 2008 deadline. I was 11 and at sleepaway camp on cape cod. we didn't have access to the internet or outside media. We were at an all-camp assembly (not related to baseball) when our camp directors broke the news of the Manny trade to the mostly Red Sox fan campers. We were all stunned, having grown up watching Manny, and had no idea who jason bay was.
They absolute madness of Mannywood is hard to put into words.
Was hoping for part II of that this year with Randywood.
Since it wasn't mentioned in the video (because it's not really relevant lol), in 2008, CC Sabathia separately led both the AL and the NL in complete games -- he's bolded on both rows of his BBRef page. I'm not sure how many players have led both leagues in any stat, let alone CGs.
He led both leagues in complete game **shutouts**, but he didn't lead the AL in complete games. He occupies the strange place in history of actually leading the majors in CG's that season but not leading the American League. Roy Halladay had more CG's purely in the American League (9) while Sabathia had 3 in the AL and 7 in the NL.
what an amazing year
Best time to be a Phillies fan
16:23 dodger stadium was electric during the mannywood era. Ned Collettie deserves to he in the hof for the teams he put together with that terrible owner
Mannywood is what got me into baseball and the Dodgers
Mannywood was a crazy time that i dont think people realize. He had the entire city running with him like Kdot
FACTS!!! No ONE was saying anything bad about dude! He blended in so well it was amazing! Vin Scully gave us some memorable calls with Manny too!
I love Jolly vids - just A + quality at story telling and vocal tones.
2008 was also one of the weirder Mets seasons, too. I hope you cover that season in a video someday! Great work, Jolly!
Everyone rips on the Dodgers these days for buying up players and being "Yankees west" but people forget that during the 90s and up to 2008, the Dodgers only had 2 wild cards in 96 and 06 and 2 division titles in 95 and 04 and were constantly buying past their prime veterans. That trade for Manny in 08 was the first time in my life I felt like the team was actually trying to win the World Series
Always great to see new videos Jolly!
2008 = Greatest Year Ever. Miss it so much. Wish I could go back.
As somebody whose favorite player was Pudge even after he left the Rangers, I still forget he was on the Yankees. And the Astros for that matter.
15:35 if you aren't from the west it's hard to put into words just how special that "MANNY-WOOD" run was.I mean not only did he put up monster numbers but Bill-Boards, ads, commercials, you turn on the radio in the morning and the radio station is talking about what he did last night, it was insane! Idk if i've ever seen the city embrace a player like that LET ALONE A MID-SEASON TRADE
2008: legendary season, legendary video game - MLB Power Pros
Criminally underrated baseball game
The Phillies rotation was crazy in ‘08
The thing about Sabathia's season with Cleveland in 2008 is that his first four starts he allowed 27ER in 18 IP for a 13.50 ERA, but he had a 2.16 ERA in 104 IP in the subsequent 14 starts before being traded. I'm pretty certain anyone in baseball looking for a starter would have been aware of how badly the start to the season had skewed his numbers, and that he had pitched like the ace that he was in the 2.5+ months since. No one needed to "buy low" on him.
I remember I was 8 years old and crying because the Pirates traded Jason Bay. The 2000s were awful for the Pirates
Video idea: worst deadline fire sales ever. Fire sales that ended up not giving the selling team much in return in the following years after the fire sale. 2018 Orioles comes to mind with just one guy, Dean Kremer, being a regular piece or even still being with the Orioles since that deadline.
The whole carlos santana killing ranked mode this year was so overblown. The santana boost was live for about a month. Then season 2 came out and it was immediately forgotten. No one uses his boost anymore to this day because there are better boosts if you want to go that route. Corbin Carroll boost in season 2 is insane with all the extremely high power/ high speed players they released during the all star break and beyond. Santana's boost was never even anything special, you had to field an entire team of switch hitters (which on average are worse offensively than pure righty or pure lefty hitters) just to get +10 contact on players who already had almost maxed contact. You saw it during the last 3-4 weeks of season 1 only, because before that last drop of cards, there simply wasn't enough good switch hitters to make the boost even worth using.
Shoutout Jolly for inspiring me to make content. Love these types of videos.
Great video breakdown as always, Jolly!
Great vid as use. Missed opportunity not showing CC dropping head during that short stint in Milwaukee
Fun fact: that year the Pirates almost had a deal to trade Jason Bay to the Rays. In return they would receive SP Jeff Niemman and SS Reid Brignac. However Pittsburgh supposedly wanted more possibly top prospects like Jeremy Hellickson or David Price.
Anyways the original deal would have been way better than what the Pirates got
I remember Niemman mostly for the fact that he was starting against Boston at the one game I've ever attended (9/06/10). Dude completely fell off after that season.
Ahh the yearly jolly olive trade deadline video. Time to relax and enjoy another classic
The cubs had DONALDSON????? Man.
You never knew that😂
I never knew Bautista was a Pirate
They had Gleyber Torres too
8:48 as a Mariners fan, seeing Justin Smoak right ahead of Carlos Santana hurts
Donaldson and Bautista mentioned in a Jolly Olive video, love to see it as a jays fan
Was looking for this earlier, excited to watch 💪
Ohhhh 2008, I was 11 and has just started watching baseball.
My very first MLB game I got to see Manny Ramirez get a hit as a Dodger. The people I went to the game with got us to the game late and as I was walking up the steps in left field Manny hit the ball. I remember being pretty stoked to get to see Casey Blake playing.
Jolly, for a ref guess you could do guys who were traded at the trade deadline and include Casey Kotchman. He played for the Halos, Rangers, and I believe the Braves among other teams.
Awesome video. The annual tradition has been to talk about the best deadlines in recent memory, but next year should be a video about the 2013 deadline being the worst.
As a brewers fan, CC will forever be a brewers legend. So happy he’s doing well post baseball too, all time great dude
Really enjoy you’re videos keep up the good work
Banger video. Huge nostalgia.
@11:40 Cleveland was in the ALC jolly
9:45 That music in the background of the ad gave me flashbacks to MLB Power Pros.
Melancholy garlic clove with another masterpiece of a video
The mariners were playing the white sox today. AJ Pierzynski was in the Mariners booth. He talked about that Griffey throw during the game. What a coincidence
Damn really thought it was 2018 but can't wait to see this
CC was my favorite ball player when I was a kid!
The Mannywood era was special. It was like being on a baseball acid trip that didn't end until the Dodgers were bounced in the NLCS.
The CC 3 straight complete games is crazy in this day and age of baseball. I highly doubt we ever see that again
The irony of the deadline was the Phillies won the WS and the Phils had one of the most confounding non-deadlines for a competitor ever. They "addressed" their 3 biggest needs... but the players they got screamed "6th Option"
The biggest issue was by far the rotation. It was Hamels and Moyer dragging 3 different 5.50 ERA rocks... so they naturally went and got....
-- A 4.96 ERA, -0.2 WAR Joe Blanton???
That was the watershed move.
The other two needs were LHP bullpen depth and a bench bat.
To address that... they got...
-- A 36yo, 7.15 ERA, -0.3 WAR in Scott Eyre for the pen
-- A 40yo, 98 OPS+, -0.4 WAR in Matt Stairs for the bench
Yet, all 3 showed up and delivered well beyond expected role.
Better yet, all 3 of those guys had another year on their contract and stayed productive in 2009 too... wild man...
You should do a video about the 2021 trade deadline next, that was a good one
jolly posts, day is made
Whenever I see anything regarding oaklands trades or pickups etc it makes me feel so bad for A’s fans it’s so bad
1:05 that ball was absolutely crushed!!!
Using MLB Power Pros music is legendary
woman rise from your slumber, the olive has graced us with another glorious source of entertainment
Bravo jolly, another absolute master piece
Good video, Mr. Olive. It’s such a shame you have to work for such a lame media company 😢
2008 was Griffey’s last year in Cincinnati (Junior’s my all-time favorite player). #Reds
I'll never forget when manny came to LA, billboards of him everywhere
Back then Oakland use to pop out top tier pitchers... Rich Harden and Joe Blanton lol haven't heard those names in a min
Man these names bring me back. I don't follow the game anymore. 90s to 2013ish was my era.
Mannywood is untouchable
I've been waiting for the Joe Blanton home run mention for years
Joey Bats may not be in Cooperstown but he is forever immortalized in the Blue Jays Level of Excellence alongside the Doc, Delgado, Touch ‘em All Joe, and Ford C. Frick award winning broadcaster Tom Cheek. I’m sure one day we may see Vladdy Jr join those ranks especially if he gets the chance to join his elite papi in Cooperstown.
I’m a simple man, I see a Jollive upload, I open and click like
Went to Rich Hardens first start for Cubs. Really thought that was our year
These flashbacks are so good
4:01 That list is wild
I know I’m in too deep on the baseball videos bc I’m getting sick of the “wonder who they picked” on the angels comp pick for Tex
Belligerent Prune changed my life forever
Time out, is the background music during the 2nd trade from Sonic Adventure?!!
You know, I was thinking that the angels ending up with Mike trout after Mark left would have been the best trade of that year... And then I forgot about Jose Bautista.
Nothin’ like some Gen IV Pokemon music and some baseball. Thanks Jolly!
Just curious, I just clicked on this video. Before I watch, does he bring up that the angels indirectly got mike trout when teixeira left for the yankees in 2009?
7:48 Kershaw wearing 54 is insane
Matt Stairs and Joe Blanton the best trade deadline acquisitions of them all 😊
Being a life long Yankee Fan CC really made me life the Brewers there practically my 2nd team lol
Jose Bautista is the most valuable position player in Blue Jays history, but don’t you dare forget the GOAT Dave Stieb and his 56.9 WAR as the best pitcher of the 80s.
4:57 Vance Worley too
Carlos Delgado mentioned, you bet it's a jolly olive video
Why am I just now finding out that Josh Donaldson was a Cub??? The earliest team I can remember him being on is the Athletics
Anyone else remember the "Bautista Blast" from Booster Juice?
I watch your content quite a bit. You do phenomenal work. But I gotta say, something about "ladies and gentlemen, and everyone in between" in your outtro gives me an amount of comfort that maybe the world isn't as shit as I think it to be, always. Sorry to get sappy, I just didn't think I'd be this bitter with people at age 36, and with how casually you said that, almost like that sort of tolerance should just be expected of us... that means a lot. Thanks for that.
💚💚💚
Carlos Santana coming from the Dodgers was news to me, damn
I was at Manny’s last game in Boston.
Not my Pirates getting bodied in this deadline...
I always enjoy the Pokemon music in the background.
I really thought the Cubs getting Harden was gonna be the move that put them over the top.... I was wrong lol
Another Jolly Olive banger 🙂↕️
Carlos Delgado may be "criminally underrated", but he isn't even the most underrated Blue Jays first baseman. That honor goes to John Olerud and his 57.3 career fWAR (6.3 better than first-ballot Hall-of-Famer David Ortiz, and 13.2 more than Delgado himself)
Ahhhh yes. What a year to be a dodgers fan. I almost forget how bad things were as a dodgers fan during my childhood and teen years. 😊almost.
Over 15 years later and I’m still upset the Mets didn’t trade for a reliever to replace Wagner at the deadline