Hi josh! Been following you for quite some time now! Wife and I love your videos!! After watching your video on the 22 rbswe we purchased one and it is the perfect couples rv. But here we are a couple years later and in a different state, (Idaho) we found ourselves needed something else since our circumstances have changed. We watched your video on the 23 mls 5 th wheel and now we have one of those. We obviously weren’t going for length but quality once again. It’s large enough for long trips to see the kids, ( California and Arizona) but we still get that camping feeling. Thank you so much for what you do, as we enjoy your comedic take and professional input. Keep telling it like it is. Fans for life!!!
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What a cute little 5th-wheel! The kitchen is nice because it's really residential in it's layout; say, small house/cottage/apartment style residential. Centered sink with window and cabinet beneath for wastebasket and sundries. Small stove and microwave to one side. A full rack of drawers from floor to counter (the way it SHOULD be) on the other side. Fridge off to one side but within tentacle's, err, arm's reach. All this with a full length backsplash. The TV's too high. Where else would they put it? I really like how Cougar put the stairs on the same side as the slide. That way when the slide is open it gives the illusion that they're in the middle; making the space look bigger.
A shelf between the bathroom sink and the medicine cabinet would not be in the way and give the ladies a place to set a hot curling iron or hair dryer.. And a pocket door to the bedroom could slide behind that sink unit.
Perfect size for us but wondering about customization. I wonder if come in the white wood and if we can not get the bench/table and get a TV fireplace instead. I have been looking at your video's for a year or so and this one really peeks my interest.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I like both, the Jayco appears to be bath and bed accessible in travel mode, which I think would be better for pit stops and taking a nap while on long journeys. Throw in some of the Winnebagos and the smaller fifth wheel has some good choices, nice to see.
30 gallon black tank is a deal breaker for us. Our little Keystone Hideout LH179 has 32 gallons and it's too small for boondocking more than 5-6 days. Am I missing something?
I love these smaller 5th wheels and this kitchen layout is really nice. One thing I don't understand: side stairs. Doesn't it make more sense to put the stairs in the middle so they're usable with a closed slide? Plus, you close the doors and the bathroom becomes MUCH bigger! Please explain why there seems to be a preference for an unsplit bathroom. I really don't get it.
Middle stairs would be possible (classic style really), but it would require a walk-thru bath which a LOT of people really dislike in a fifth wheel in today's market. I can't explain the preference of buyers. I only know it's dictated by consumer demand. Unfortunately, your preferences are the exception to the general rule.
Haylett RV Ahhhhh. As you might can tell, I'm newish to the market so I didn't know the split bathroom is more of a classic. It figures though -- my tastes tend to be for the classic and more practical. Ha! Anyways, thanks for letting me know. I guess I'm glad they're following consumer preference. Just wish I wasn't the exception. Love the videos!
Something to consider: The iN*Command system might be a handy "get out of jail free card" in that regard. As you're pulling into a stop grab your phone Flip open the iN*Command App Start hitting the slide button as you walk back to the door Slide will be open enough to pass thru by the time you get in Use the app on your phone to close the slide on the way back to the vehicle Obviously means you need to plan where you park, but that's typically not an impossible task if you know what you're about to do.
Rewatching, I have another question about this little guy versus, say, the new Winnebago Micro Minnie 5er. It seems like they both have enclosed tanks but this one is rated down to zero and the Winnebago is only rated to 32. Can you explain some of the extreme weather characteristics that make the Cougar so much better equipped? I'll also go look to see if you've already made a video. Thanks for all the info!
Josh, I emailed the sales department. They got back with me but said the management has not yet set a price on this? Has anything been decided as of yet?
Who's your contact person? While I'm glad they didn't simply leave you hanging I'm going to press to make sure you get an answer. Getting a price shouldn't be hard. Manager simply may not have been available at the time
We'd need to know some payload ratings & hit up the towing guides to answer that. The likely answer is "you're probably lacking in payload," but that might not be the case. Our team at 800-256-5196 is always happy to assist in return for the fair shake at working with you!
First let me say how much I love your videos. Absolutely the best. I would like to know if there are multiple drain lines for this unit? I read a comment on a different video, stating that there was one drain line by the docking station and another one in the rear of the unit that's hard to access. Is this true?
Apologies i cannot remember where drains are located for all the models we carry Our team could always investigate for you if you needed to know for a purchase
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I did some research and found out where the sewer drain and the dump valve are located. It's on the driver side but at the back of the rig, separate from the two that are in the heated docking station.
Like these a lot and will probably get one of the half ton models as I have a 2500 but with a modest payload capacity. My big issue is with the bed. I have seen a number of these this fall at the shows and put a measuring tape on the bed. They are NOT a fill 80 inches long but a short queen. I need a full length queen. Josh have you ever put a tape on one of these?
Not sure what you're measured. Cougars are and have been 80" queens in their fifth wheel segment and always have been. Their trailers used to use short queens, but they now use 70" x 80" Kings.
Yes. I've been on a lot of tours and seen a lot of things as they were built or through our service department. When you see one brand building seemingly the same thing, but somehow it's magically much lighter in weight, then know immediately it's missing structural elements like this you cannot see.
Is the nose rounded enough to pull with short (6.75’) bed F250 without requiring a slider hitch? Looking at Andersen hitch to keep weight down as my F250 is really lame on cargo capacity (2300#).
Will any of the fifth wheel manufacturers ever make any of the smaller fifth wheels, like ones in the UK, or Australia? Watched a few videos on them, I must say, I'm jealous.
Not sure why Keystone continues to make these smaller Cougar Half-ton 5th wheels with a queen bed (or even the larger ones for that matter). Our 22rbs TT has a king bed. Once they change that aspect, we will probably trade up.
Answer: Closet slide. Does not allow enough room when retracted to allow for a king. Jayco is releasing new Eagle HT models around this size with no closet slide but an XL bonus closet in the room that allows for a king option
It is wider vs. the winnebago, but so is everything. A standard body width in the RV industry is 8ft. Anything else is narrow/wide body. The micro minnie FWs are exceptions to the rule with their 7ft body.
For lack of a better answer: Models with appropriate capacities. There's no more specific answer that can really be offered. Our team at www.haylettautoandrv.com/contact/ can assist with more directed guidance given the opportunity to speak with you.
I don't YET have 2021 footage of this one, but you can get a glimpse of the updates with this one's sister here th-cam.com/video/he0D2PYQ9lU/w-d-xo.html
Awesome smaller fifth wheel! Would sure like other rv manufacturers come out with more smaller fifth wheels, in the 26-28 ft range!
Me too like the smaller 5th wheels. So much easier to tow and handle. Nice floorplan on this one.
Smaller fifth wheels are the direction we are leaning! Great video
Hopefully our dealership is the direction you're leaning as well lol
Hi josh! Been following you for quite some time now! Wife and I love your videos!! After watching your video on the 22 rbswe we purchased one and it is the perfect couples rv. But here we are a couple years later and in a different state, (Idaho) we found ourselves needed something else since our circumstances have changed. We watched your video on the 23 mls 5 th wheel and now we have one of those. We obviously weren’t going for length but quality once again. It’s large enough for long trips to see the kids, ( California and Arizona) but we still get that camping feeling. Thank you so much for what you do, as we enjoy your comedic take and professional input. Keep telling it like it is. Fans for life!!!
TY for sharing, Mickey! If our content here ahs been beneficial for you, then please drop a quick review in return for our efforts at www.haylettautoandrv.com/review-us/
Love this one, I wish the upper deck accessible in traveling or at least the bathroom.
Agreed. Necessary evil with this seating arrangement.
What a cute little 5th-wheel! The kitchen is nice because it's really residential in it's layout; say, small house/cottage/apartment style residential. Centered sink with window and cabinet beneath for wastebasket and sundries. Small stove and microwave to one side. A full rack of drawers from floor to counter (the way it SHOULD be) on the other side. Fridge off to one side but within tentacle's, err, arm's reach. All this with a full length backsplash. The TV's too high. Where else would they put it? I really like how Cougar put the stairs on the same side as the slide. That way when the slide is open it gives the illusion that they're in the middle; making the space look bigger.
A shelf between the bathroom sink and the medicine cabinet would not be in the way and give the ladies a place to set a hot curling iron or hair dryer.. And a pocket door to the bedroom could slide behind that sink unit.
Very well done, that is a nice smaller class fifth wheel, nice to see them come off the endangered model list.
That's a good way of describing it really
I really like this one. The kitchen is laid out perfectly.
You said probe.
Probe
Gold star for the 120VAC outlet in the pass thru storage for charging cordless tool batteries; this should be standard on all trailers/ 5th wheels.
Perfect size for us but wondering about customization. I wonder if come in the white wood and if we can not get the bench/table and get a TV fireplace instead. I have been looking at your video's for a year or so and this one really peeks my interest.
These come basically as you see them. Cougar doesn't offer different woods like an Eagle.
@@JoshtheRVNerd What Eagle would you suggest that is similar in size?
@@melanie7781 There's really only one that fits that bill. Thankfully.. it's *pretty awesome* and you can see it here bit.ly/2q0DlKL
@@JoshtheRVNerd I like both, the Jayco appears to be bath and bed accessible in travel mode, which I think would be better for pit stops and taking a nap while on long journeys. Throw in some of the Winnebagos and the smaller fifth wheel has some good choices, nice to see.
Really like this one. Big bathroom is wonderful and a must - hate small showers in rv's.
30 gallon black tank is a deal breaker for us. Our little Keystone Hideout LH179 has 32 gallons and it's too small for boondocking more than 5-6 days. Am I missing something?
So I watched the video of the North point and the bathroom in this is nicer then in a full time like the north
I love these smaller 5th wheels and this kitchen layout is really nice. One thing I don't understand: side stairs. Doesn't it make more sense to put the stairs in the middle so they're usable with a closed slide? Plus, you close the doors and the bathroom becomes MUCH bigger! Please explain why there seems to be a preference for an unsplit bathroom. I really don't get it.
Middle stairs would be possible (classic style really), but it would require a walk-thru bath which a LOT of people really dislike in a fifth wheel in today's market.
I can't explain the preference of buyers. I only know it's dictated by consumer demand. Unfortunately, your preferences are the exception to the general rule.
Love everything about this model except that you cannot access bedroom when slides are closed. :-(
Agree with UtahRoadbase.
Haylett RV Ahhhhh. As you might can tell, I'm newish to the market so I didn't know the split bathroom is more of a classic. It figures though -- my tastes tend to be for the classic and more practical. Ha! Anyways, thanks for letting me know. I guess I'm glad they're following consumer preference. Just wish I wasn't the exception. Love the videos!
@@JoshtheRVNerd I prefer the side stairs for the very reason you mention.
Nice. It's just a pity that the bathroom is not accessable in transit.
Something to consider: The iN*Command system might be a handy "get out of jail free card" in that regard.
As you're pulling into a stop grab your phone
Flip open the iN*Command App
Start hitting the slide button as you walk back to the door
Slide will be open enough to pass thru by the time you get in
Use the app on your phone to close the slide on the way back to the vehicle
Obviously means you need to plan where you park, but that's typically not an impossible task if you know what you're about to do.
I like this one ,
They need to make more true half ton fifth wheel campers
I always end up liking the smaller stuff
Welcome back from vacation 😃
Left 89 degrees, sun, and sand for 39 degrees, sleet, and wind.
Welcome back indeed lol
Rewatching, I have another question about this little guy versus, say, the new Winnebago Micro Minnie 5er. It seems like they both have enclosed tanks but this one is rated down to zero and the Winnebago is only rated to 32. Can you explain some of the extreme weather characteristics that make the Cougar so much better equipped? I'll also go look to see if you've already made a video. Thanks for all the info!
*EXCELLENT QUESTION!* We actually captured a fairly comprehensive video about it when they first made the change you can see here: bit.ly/32ju9ym
Pull forward fridge and put broom closet behind facing recliners please.
Josh, I emailed the sales department. They got back with me but said the management has not yet set a price on this? Has anything been decided as of yet?
Who's your contact person? While I'm glad they didn't simply leave you hanging I'm going to press to make sure you get an answer. Getting a price shouldn't be hard. Manager simply may not have been available at the time
Great video do you know if my Dodge Ram 1500 2014 5.7 hemi would be able to pull this beast?
We'd need to know some payload ratings & hit up the towing guides to answer that. The likely answer is "you're probably lacking in payload," but that might not be the case. Our team at 800-256-5196 is always happy to assist in return for the fair shake at working with you!
First let me say how much I love your videos. Absolutely the best. I would like to know if there are multiple drain lines for this unit? I read a comment on a different video, stating that there was one drain line by the docking station and another one in the rear of the unit that's hard to access. Is this true?
Apologies i cannot remember where drains are located for all the models we carry
Our team could always investigate for you if you needed to know for a purchase
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I did some research and found out where the sewer drain and the dump valve are located. It's on the driver side but at the back of the rig, separate from the two that are in the heated docking station.
Like these a lot and will probably get one of the half ton models as I have a 2500 but with a modest payload capacity. My big issue is with the bed. I have seen a number of these this fall at the shows and put a measuring tape on the bed. They are NOT a fill 80 inches long but a short queen. I need a full length queen. Josh have you ever put a tape on one of these?
Not sure what you're measured. Cougars are and have been 80" queens in their fifth wheel segment and always have been. Their trailers used to use short queens, but they now use 70" x 80" Kings.
No access to BR over the road...ShowStopper....kills anotherwise nice unit
Try this one. I think one of the best traveler's fifth wheels I've ever seen bit.ly/30F4h5v
Have you ever seen a door opening that wasn't fully framed?
Yes. I've been on a lot of tours and seen a lot of things as they were built or through our service department. When you see one brand building seemingly the same thing, but somehow it's magically much lighter in weight, then know immediately it's missing structural elements like this you cannot see.
Is the nose rounded enough to pull with short (6.75’) bed F250 without requiring a slider hitch? Looking at Andersen hitch to keep weight down as my F250 is really lame on cargo capacity (2300#).
According to Cougar, yes. It is. Their nose caps are designed for tighter turns with those 6.5ft-ish beds
Will any of the fifth wheel manufacturers ever make any of the smaller fifth wheels, like ones in the UK, or Australia?
Watched a few videos on them, I must say, I'm jealous.
Winnebago tried. Nobody wanted to buy them. we were sad to see it because we felt there's definitely a market there for the concept
@@JoshtheRVNerd I have a feeling if they brought them out now, they would sell like hot cakes!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes but Winnebago did not do a very good job of it, absolutely no eye candy especially on the outside.
In the bathroom, women prefer a smaller sink for more counter space than vice versa.
Is there a vid on a 5th wheel thats just a neat vid says less statistics and shows how fun.
Hi Sandy. I'm not understanding the question. What is it you're seeking?
Not sure why Keystone continues to make these smaller Cougar Half-ton 5th wheels with a queen bed (or even the larger ones for that matter). Our 22rbs TT has a king bed. Once they change that aspect, we will probably trade up.
Answer: Closet slide. Does not allow enough room when retracted to allow for a king.
Jayco is releasing new Eagle HT models around this size with no closet slide but an XL bonus closet in the room that allows for a king option
Too bad you can’t access the bathroom while on the road... deal breaker for me!
And that's why we carry so many different models. Perhaps these would work a bit better for you while still being on the smaller side: bit.ly/35EIwQC
Thanks for pointing this out. I'm new to this so I didn't even notice.
So this cougar has a large and generous basement. Good to know. LOL! I'm sorry. I shouldn't have. Couldn't help myself.
Killer!
What's the width? It looks wider than the small Winnebago fifth wheel.
It is wider vs. the winnebago, but so is everything. A standard body width in the RV industry is 8ft. Anything else is narrow/wide body. The micro minnie FWs are exceptions to the rule with their 7ft body.
What half tons can hawl l this?
For lack of a better answer: Models with appropriate capacities. There's no more specific answer that can really be offered. Our team at www.haylettautoandrv.com/contact/ can assist with more directed guidance given the opportunity to speak with you.
Nice one
I don't YET have 2021 footage of this one, but you can get a glimpse of the updates with this one's sister here th-cam.com/video/he0D2PYQ9lU/w-d-xo.html
Wardrobe armoire
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The engineers at Jayco should be fired for blocking the steps to the rr in the closed position …. A home run hit attempt that went foul …..LoL
(Not a Jayco RV btw..)
My bad … The correction noted