Even in Alien Force. He, using the law, conquers 10 other worlds, so can do whatever he wants to those planets since he legally rules them now according to Galactic Law, but still keeps going after Earth solely because of his hate boner for Ben, to the point his actions almost leads to his home planet getting completely conquered by Ghost Freak.
Funny thing is Grandpa Max did the same however vilgax doesn't have any hate or feeling of revenge for him. I guess everything he did and omnitrix being used by a kid who defeated him added upp to his vengeance for Ben.
Am I the only one who imagines Eye Guy creation beeing something like: "We need a new alien. Any sugestions?" "I got it! What about an alien that shoot lazers from his eyes?" "That's nice, but maybe a little bit generic" "That's the cach: He has eyes all over his body (dramatic pause) except in his face" "Son, you're getting a raise"
That…actually makes sense. If Ben hadn’t seen his future self and changed his fate, this episode would’ve actually happened and lead to that future, I guess. Huh, interesting thought
@@CaptainBeardo oh, I have more to say about Eon. Especially when Race Against Time happens. Sure, it’s probably headcanon, but it would make sense, at least with the Ultimate Ben 10K episode.
@@diegopansini3152 so the original ben 10,000 made vilgax into a brainlet and kevin became more menacingly evil and didn't join the team. And he banged another chick and not gwen lmao.
Ben “running” away from Vilgax and his drones in the ruins of his destroyed home was him protecting his dad. Sure his armor is protecting them, but if he got caught in the crossfire of him trying to attack and Vilgax knocks him out of ball form, his dad would go flying and hit debris and possibly die from impact, blood loss, or infection. Ben played defense to protect his dad.
100% agree. I always got that impression even as a kid. If Ben fights Vilgax the way he normally would, Ben's father could be in serious danger or even be used as bait against Ben. Ben holding onto him in ball form is the best way he could've approached that scenario.
This goes back to a previous Poll on who would be the best to use the Omnitrix. Ben is the best because he goes above and beyond the simple uses. Plus, just because their simple, doesn’t mean their ineffective.
I'm extremely happy he was the last alien used in the entire show, not counting any of the movies of course. And him being the alien that helps defeat Vilgax gives him more merit. What a day to be an XLR8 fan...
This episode confused me as a kid, because I didn’t realize the comic thing meant non canon so when Alien Force started I didn’t understand why they were ignoring that Ben outed his secret identity at the end of this episode
Ya know, I like to believe Vilgax and Ben’s dad were having an actually civil conversation until Vilgax got bored and started Vilgaxing. I know there’s no reason to believe that, but the image of Vilgax sipping tea and sitting on a couch too small for him is hillarious to me.
My idea for this convo Vilgax: “Where is tennyson?” Bigger Tennyson: “Um, that would be me.” V: “No, the smaller one. I thought he lived here.” BT: “Oh you mean Ben?” V: *”BENNNNNN.”* BT: “Yeah hes at school.” V: “School?” BT: “Yep, the good ol american education system.” (Salutes) V: “Well then I’m sorry but i think I need to be somewhere else.” BT: “Now hold on, you can just wait for him here! think he might be done in just a few minutes.” V: (grumbles) “Fine.” BT: “here, have some tea while we wait!” (Ten minutes later) V: “Seriously is it almost done? Its been hard sipping this tea without a mouth.” BT: “Oh I’m sure he’ll be back soon, school ends at 2:00.” V: “wait how many earth minutes is that? Do my planet and your planet use the same time scale?” BT: (checks watch) “oh thats like thirty minutes from now.” V: “that seems like a lot.” BT: “yep, its half an hour.” V: (losing patience) how much is an earth hour, exactly?” BT: “60 minutes.” V: “…” BT: “…” (Awkward silence) V: “You know what? Just screw this, I’m just going to blow the whole place up.” *flips table*
Skywalking Studioz damn you put effort into this. I visualized this in my head and vilgax now seems like a nice guy to be friends with. He got the spirit just a lil power hungry in the head
I'm from the future and they do have something similar. Every time someone says Kevin's name in surprise, their voices are dubbed over with Ben 10,000 saying "Kevin?!"
Hey Kuro now that you are gonna review Alien Force I suggest you to have counters of Kevin shouting "MY CAR" The gang at Mr smoothie Kiss scenes Kevin's car getting destroyed
@@Eacles because it’s a lot quicker and easier to say non canon. Plus stuff about the film is clearly no longer canon as seen with Eon’s species and motives
@@Eacles There's a theory that Eon was from an different alien species who later took over Ben of a different timeline and began his conquest of destroying Ben.
This would mean no feedback, also Ben giving up the hero business wouldn’t have happened, they would never show Ben giving up the watch, and ending it like that, without him getting it back, I can’t imagine Ben giving up for the respected series would ever work as a proper ending
@@Nickissimo Um, no, it wasn't explained at all, nor was it really implied. Plus Derrick Wyatt has stated that's not the case, and that no one in the crew even liked the idea. And thank god he did, because while I can understand Ben feeling distraught at the thought of losing Feedback and not wanting to fight for a while, him straight up removing the Omnitrix because of this always sounded completely ridiculous to me. "Oh shit, I just loss my favorite alien! I guess I quit." I'll never understand why people even remotely like this theory to begin with. There has to have been something more traumatic that happened later on that we're missing, and thank god again for Derrick's statement, which confirms this.
When Vilgax called out the Tennysons and the boys were like "which one", reminds me when Reboot Ben said to Alien X "seriously which one, there're lots of us here".
That was both hilarious and badass. Vilgax: "So much suffering. Are you prepared for more Tennyson?" Ben, Carl and Max: "You talking to me ugly?" Badass runs in the family.
I think that purple ribbon is from Gwen's lucky girl outfit, I know some will say that gwen should have it but it makes sense for Ben to have a piece of it too I mean they care for much for each other I like that Ben has it 😊 shows how much they really care for each other as a family
I guess this Ben had even more troubled childhood (unlike how easy it's shown here with him going back to school like nothing happened) than prime Ben as his identity was never hidden and was constantly in media right from age 10 unlike the prime ones from 16. One of the possible reasons he got so grumpy by the time he reached 30.
Imagine my disappointment when Ben's parents don't know his identity in Alien Force and are in bad terms with Max once again, it was a harsh introduction to non canon episodes...
i think it goes: Negative 10 is the series finale Secret of the Omnitrix is the finale Story-wise Ken 10 and Goodbye and Good Riddance could be post finale specials (A Ben 10,00 episode and an anthology episode respectively)
@The Weavile Why would Ben being Eye-Guy mean Secrets isn't the finale? It's just 3 different takes of the opening but I do agree that Ben wouldn't be late as Heatblast and especially XLR8. And what are you talking about, Secrets being in the same backgrounds as the wedding? What does that matter?
@The Weavile its still up for debate which alien he actually used, though i do believe its Eye Guy since, well Eye Guy needs some love he just doesn’t get until Omniverse.
Yeah this episode confused the hell out of me, this alt canon stuff wasn’t something i could rap my head around and it kept making me question my ben was surprised vilgax came back in alien force. I too side with the idea of secret of the Omnitrix being the proper finale to the show given its importance to the story and all around epicness. -30:38 HE HAS A DOG?! Man i totally forgot i really hope he didn’t just die before alien force 8:12 My brother wears His bracelets twenty four seven, thats just how some folks do.
@The Weavile clearly isn’t clear when theres three different beginnings to the movie. Even if its marginally more chronologically to be before the negative ten, secret feels much more thematically conclusive to the series and makes the series feel like it went out with a bang.
Honestly, I think the movie should have been the finale. Technically the Destroy all aliens is the proper finale, which bridges the gaps to Alien Force and the 11 year old Ben adventures in Omniverse.
I honestly like to imagine there was almost basically an entire episode's adventure of Ben unlocking Eye-Guy, learning somethings about him before Animo takes Gwen and Max. Ben then pursues Animo and breaks into his Lair with Eye-Guy and that's when the Movie Starts
I feel as though the reason Vilgax wanted to destroy Ben's town was because of familiarity. He's battled Ben so often and has both lost and probably been humiliated across the galaxy so it would make sense he'd feel somewhat petty, shifting his goal from 'Aquire the Omnitrix' to 'Aquire the Omnitrix....and as a bonus I can ruin the life of the weilder'.
If this was the finale I'd be fine with it. I reckon it was mostly made before Alien Force was okayed for production might've been written during season 1
9:30 You know I know this episode is least likely canon ending leading to AF, but wouldn't it be funny if that's why Ben started shouting his aliens names? Just cuz he got so sick and tired of people calling them lame names? So he's like "When I go alien I'll make sure to shout loud af so people know HOW TO NAME THEM!"
I think a good community poll would’ve been how many people even **knew** the final episode was non-canon Almost everyone I’ve ever talked about Ben 10 with had no idea it was an alternate timeline. I’ve gotten people to watch Alien Force, and they almost all ask “Wait, why does he have a secret identity? Everyone found out in the last episode of the original show”
I know many people won't agree and maybe even judge me, but in my opinion this is the best OG Series episode that was aired, the fact Ben's identity is revealed and so we came to meet his parents and the dog, Vilgax attacking Ben's house simply genious
@@Nameless82284 I'm not talking about her being dead I was talking about Max hiding it even though Verdona knew and he knew she was an alien. Even in Alien Force Gwen's dad was saying Max still kept his Plumber Work secret from Verdona, I think he said something along the lines of "dad thought he hid that from you." But you are right as far as alien force goes at best it was still in early stages I dont even know if anodites or Verdona were even planned that early.
honestly, i'd like to see an alternate alien force continued from this finale, where Ben's secret being revealed when he's younger either leads to a Ben 23 situation, or where he goes more into training to help protect his loved ones (Similar to how theyre targeted in ultimate) from a young age, leading to a personality like his first 10,000 counterpart. And in turn, there could also be focus on Max seeing Carl's potential for being a plumber (as he does have the same ways of thinking in a fight as max and ben, seen in this episode), and recruits him for the rebuilding of the plumbers, leading to stories based on Carl and Max reconnecting and Max attoning for the neglect in Carl's youth. Also the dynamic would be adding another element to the previously touched upon Ben plotline, with Max possibly supporting Ben diving headfirst into full time hero/plumber work, and Carl trying to keep Ben's innocense, wanting to protect his son from losing himself the same way as his father
I think as a kid I never realised this was really the end of classic series. That moment with Ben and grandpa shaking hands is a reallllly nice moment, seeing him more as his 10 year old grandson but as the hero he’s seen during the summer. What an episode despite the off model art style
So, I've been watching this series since it started and I'm a big fan. In some earlier videos Kuro, you mentioned a few other counters that you might have included, one of them being an 'Oh man' counter. I would like to throw my hat in the ring and give you the episode by episode count of 'Oh man' and 'Aw man' (since they are functionally the same). Season 1 - Total: 15 And Then There Were 10: 1 Washington B.C.: 2 The Krakken: 1 Permanent Retirement: 1 Hunted: 3 Tourist Trap: 1 Kevin 11: 1 The Alliance: 0 Last Laugh: 0 Lucky Girl: 0 A Small Problem: 1 Side Effects: 1 Secrets: 3 Season 2 - Total: 19 Truth: 0 Big Tick: 3 Framed: 1 Gwen 10: 1 Grudge Match: 1 The Galactic Enforcers: 1 Camp Fear: 3 The Ultimate Weapon: 2 Tough Luck: 1 They Lurk Below: 1 Ghostfreaked Out: 1 Dr. Animo and the Mutant Ray: 3 Back With a Vengeance: 1 Season 3 - Total: 28 Ben 10,000: 1 Midnight Madness: 3 A Change of Face: 1 Merry Christmas: 2 Ben Wolf: 2 Game Over: 1 Super Alien Hero Buddy Adventures: 2 Underwraps: 3 The Unnaturals: 6 Monster Weather: 1 The Return: 2 Be Afraid of the Dark: 3 The Visitor: 1 Season 4 - Total: 20 Perfect Day: 1 Divided We Stand: 3 Don't Drink the Water: 1 My Big Fat Alien Wedding: 0 The Secret of the Omnitrix: 6 Ben Four Good Buddy: 2 Ready to Rumble: 3 Ken 10: 1 Ben 10 vs. the Negative Ten, Pt.1: 1 Ben 10 vs. the Negative Ten, Pt. 2: 1 (There is one in the recap of part one, but I didn't count that.) Goodbye and Good Riddance: 2 Grand Total: 72 Fun Fact - Ben and his aliens are the only ones to say 'Oh man', except for Kenny when he gets stuck in the air vent, and Max in 'Ben Four Good Buddy' when he sees the modified Rust Bucket. This is my petition to add an 'Oh Man' counter, but I understand if it shouldn't be added after this as I don't know how much it comes up in the following shows and movies. Keep up the good work Kuro.
Been beyond an absolute pleasure to have contributed throughout the run! This segment will be posted as its own OmniTalk Mini-episode on my channel with more to come with time! Thank y’all so much, and happy breakdown!
1. Another possible reason why this is considered non cannon is because they don't want undermine Secrets of the Omnitrix by having Vilgax return again 2. That villain in the beggining could be a Captain Nemesis villain maybe?
While I loved seeing him reveal his secret identity, it felt really out of place that the thing that defeated Vilgax was some sewer explosion from Ben's dad. And the fact that supposedly that's how he stayed destroyed for 30 years. I think narratively, thematically, and emotionally, Secret of the Omnitrix works the best as the series finale.
In a hypothetical scenario where all the Classic endings are all canon, I’d say the order would be: Secret of the Omnitrix (Gold version), Negative 10, Goodbye and Good Riddance (before Vilgax comes to Earth), Destroy All Aliens, Race Against Time and ending with Goodbye and Good Riddance (after Vilgax comes to Earth). Obviously this doesn’t work at all, but it’s fun to theorise
each of the 3 endings gives us something different: - secrets gives us an actual space adventure, reveals the creator of the omnitrix and gives us an OP as hell transformation - neg10 gives us an awesome ensemble team up of classic villains and a "final stand" type story with the trio at mt rushmore - gbye & griddance answers a burning question that we all would have had "so what happens when the summer break ends?" "what does ben do after it's all over?" even if it doesnt show us what happens after his identity is out
You think an explosion in the sewers could kill Vilgax? He’s survived his ships exploding twice with one of them being by a nuke and an high tech grenade in the face
Oh, this explains such big questions I had in my mind for a long time. I remember this episode but never quite understood how Ben's identity was kept a secret afterwards, it not being canon explains it all, never payed much attention to the comic book thingies
I completely didn’t know that this episode wasn’t canon/the finale, until watching this. And I watched Ben 10 classic for the first time only about a month ago. Didn’t know about the comic book intro/outro automatically meaning it was an AU, so I just assumed it was part of the story. (Cue confusion about certain circumstances when watching Alien Force. Lol) I’m glad your videos are here. XD
I always saw secrets of the omnitrix as the last one as it made more sense to be an ending, as ben in alien force thought he saw vilgax for the last time when he threw him into the void of space as Waybig
Tbh, Max is both the funniest and the scariest character of all, the humor you put onto him is just so creative and funny. Like the, "never looking at the road", "infinite tennyson strength" and many more jokes and memes that came out of his character.
Tbf as kuro said, their production schedules likely overlapped with one another so one could presume they weren’t even aware of what episodes they were doing
The gun that Max uses in the kitchen fight is also used in Big Fat Alien Wedding. They're the ones that can fold up into tiny cylinders that Max hid when the newly weds prohibited weapons.
I am so late to watch this, but I can’t believe it’s over, kuro’s OS breakdowns were one of the best things to ever happen and I’ll really miss it! It was such a phenomenal nostalgic trip. Thank you for the great effort Kurt, can’t wait for the alien force breakdowns
Wow Dr Animo appears in this season more times than I remember. He's in Divided we Stand, the start of Secret of the Omnitrix, the Negative 10 and the end of this episode.
Honestly, I never treated this as canon, mainly because it begins and ends with comic covers which I think is a way of saying that it's not canon. (I think they used comic covers for Gwen 10 but I don't remember.)
@@keelanbarron928 how exactly does anything in Alien Force contradict the ending of classic? If Destroy all Aliens is canon (which it actually is) than Ben’s parents had their minds frazzled and forgot everything that previously happened including knowing Ben’s secret.
Perhaps an amalgam of Ben 23 from Omniverse with ultimate alien. Since Grandpa has already guided him, it could focus on him trying to get back to finding the Hero in him while finding out how Grandpa disappeared
Yeah i feel you on the school cafeteria time... In my high school we had 20 minutes to eat, but 10 of those were going down the stairs along with 200 people, then at least 5 minutes on line to grab the food...
Ahhhhhhhhhhh. What a journey this was. Thank you Kuro for everything. You brought to me many beautifull memories off my favourite cartoon when I was a child. And the best superhero ever and the best villains ever too. This cartoon made a lot off people childhood and thank you for having us remember how exicting it was to watch this. (Soryy if I made some grammar mistakes, English is not my first language)
I was so excited when i discoverd this breakdowns because ben 10 was one of my childhood series that i would always appreciate and knowing that a community still exists after 16 years it's really just wow and I have follow every breakdown since the start, looking forward to alien force :]
or because he's not an old man watching tv 24/7 plus I think grandpa max is like sixty in os and like 65/66 in ben 10 ultimate alien force and omniverse and 60 isn't that old soooo
Btw, something I figured out a couple of months back. One of Ben's catch phrases is "It's hero time." And then he hits a watch. It's hero *time*. Time, a watch. I never knew that until a few months back where I saw someones comment on that. My stupidity surprises me sometimes...
This series has been one hell of a nostalgia trip for me. Can’t wait to see you cover the other series, specially Alien Force, since I was rewatching it earlier this year.
Gotta say, I think season two was my favorite. Maybe its just classic Kevin being absolutely amazing, and the introduction of new aliens, but it was great
"Now that is a cool moment, I'll give them that, I guess it is cool for Ben to show off in front of people who tormented him." These quotes are just the funniest thing to ever exist
this is my favorite ending to the os. It is possible that it was meant to be the ending but do to rush schedules and a lack of communication with the af writers, they just finished it up fast and then slapped the comic book intro on it.
For me, The negative ten two parter was the finale for the classic series for me as it was the final episodes of the classic series run to air on tv in Australia before Alien force and it was placed as the last episodes in the running order on the season 4 DVD set. Secret of the omnitrix in Australia was released between season 3 and 4. In Australia, we always get everything so late from overseas in terms of shows and movies.
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You gotta love how Villgax is like "Sure, I have this huge empire, and my own planet.... BUT THAT ONE FUCKING KID-"
All those defeats must've hurt Vilgax's ego, and sanity, a lot. Especially getting stuck in the Null Void for awhile...
This is such an underrated comment
This needs at least a hundred likes. Anyone willing to add to that?
Even in Alien Force. He, using the law, conquers 10 other worlds, so can do whatever he wants to those planets since he legally rules them now according to Galactic Law, but still keeps going after Earth solely because of his hate boner for Ben, to the point his actions almost leads to his home planet getting completely conquered by Ghost Freak.
Funny thing is Grandpa Max did the same however vilgax doesn't have any hate or feeling of revenge for him.
I guess everything he did and omnitrix being used by a kid who defeated him added upp to his vengeance for Ben.
"This doesn't change anything" Thats why Ben and Gwen fight throughout every season, it's genetic
HA
Explains why Gramp was so mess up with the mayan mask before if it is genetic.
That explains everything
Definitely
Am I the only one who imagines Eye Guy creation beeing something like:
"We need a new alien. Any sugestions?"
"I got it! What about an alien that shoot lazers from his eyes?"
"That's nice, but maybe a little bit generic"
"That's the cach: He has eyes all over his body (dramatic pause) except in his face"
"Son, you're getting a raise"
I love it 😂😅
Do be facts tho 😂😂😂
yes
Don't forget he can move his eyes around his body and combine them into bigger eyes
"Alright, what should we call this new alien?"
"Uhhh, Eye...guy..."
"GENIUS!"
I always saw this as the timeline that led to the original Ben 10,000 timeline.
Same
That…actually makes sense. If Ben hadn’t seen his future self and changed his fate, this episode would’ve actually happened and lead to that future, I guess. Huh, interesting thought
I agree also it could simply be part of the other what if stories that have happened and in turn is also in ultimate alien when Eon comes.
@@CaptainBeardo oh, I have more to say about Eon. Especially when Race Against Time happens. Sure, it’s probably headcanon, but it would make sense, at least with the Ultimate Ben 10K episode.
@@diegopansini3152 so the original ben 10,000 made vilgax into a brainlet and kevin became more menacingly evil and didn't join the team. And he banged another chick and not gwen lmao.
Ben “running” away from Vilgax and his drones in the ruins of his destroyed home was him protecting his dad. Sure his armor is protecting them, but if he got caught in the crossfire of him trying to attack and Vilgax knocks him out of ball form, his dad would go flying and hit debris and possibly die from impact, blood loss, or infection.
Ben played defense to protect his dad.
Yes You're right
🤯
100% agree. I always got that impression even as a kid. If Ben fights Vilgax the way he normally would, Ben's father could be in serious danger or even be used as bait against Ben. Ben holding onto him in ball form is the best way he could've approached that scenario.
This goes back to a previous Poll on who would be the best to use the Omnitrix. Ben is the best because he goes above and beyond the simple uses. Plus, just because their simple, doesn’t mean their ineffective.
Precisely
I'm extremely happy he was the last alien used in the entire show, not counting any of the movies of course. And him being the alien that helps defeat Vilgax gives him more merit. What a day to be an XLR8 fan...
He didn't defeat vilgax tho.
@@deadaccount1.57 your right he didn't defide him he killed him
I have plenty of ideas for my Omnitrix if the aliens ever decide to grant me one.
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 Yeah he definitely didn't d e f i d e
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 You're right, Ben should've killed Vilgax when he had the chance.
This episode confused me as a kid, because I didn’t realize the comic thing meant non canon so when Alien Force started I didn’t understand why they were ignoring that Ben outed his secret identity at the end of this episode
Same
SAME
S A M E
I used to really disliked this episode as a kid because of that
Same
“ Complete your mission according to the simulation” killed me
@Chamath Jayashanka It's from Metal Gear Solid games. There's also a character named Coloner Campbell who's voiced by the same actor as Max.
@@AivarSablinski4705 ohhhhh okay! That's really funny, I didn't realize it was the same VA in a different context lol.
I know man LMAO
I need scissors 61! Love ya Kuro
we need a Kevin’s car count PLEASE KURO
Yes but he already liked a comment about that in a previous breakdown and we still have 2 movies to go before ailen force
Hell yeah bro
We also need a let me tell you something counter for rath
Yes just yes
@@Kyurem195 y e s
Ya know, I like to believe Vilgax and Ben’s dad were having an actually civil conversation until Vilgax got bored and started Vilgaxing. I know there’s no reason to believe that, but the image of Vilgax sipping tea and sitting on a couch too small for him is hillarious to me.
My idea for this convo
Vilgax: “Where is tennyson?”
Bigger Tennyson: “Um, that would be me.”
V: “No, the smaller one. I thought he lived here.”
BT: “Oh you mean Ben?”
V: *”BENNNNNN.”*
BT: “Yeah hes at school.”
V: “School?”
BT: “Yep, the good ol american education system.” (Salutes)
V: “Well then I’m sorry but i think I need to be somewhere else.”
BT: “Now hold on, you can just wait for him here! think he might be done in just a few minutes.”
V: (grumbles) “Fine.”
BT: “here, have some tea while we wait!”
(Ten minutes later)
V: “Seriously is it almost done? Its been hard sipping this tea without a mouth.”
BT: “Oh I’m sure he’ll be back soon, school ends at 2:00.”
V: “wait how many earth minutes is that? Do my planet and your planet use the same time scale?”
BT: (checks watch) “oh thats like thirty minutes from now.”
V: “that seems like a lot.”
BT: “yep, its half an hour.”
V: (losing patience) how much is an earth hour, exactly?”
BT: “60 minutes.”
V: “…”
BT: “…”
(Awkward silence)
V: “You know what? Just screw this, I’m just going to blow the whole place up.”
*flips table*
Skywalking Studioz damn you put effort into this. I visualized this in my head and vilgax now seems like a nice guy to be friends with. He got the spirit just a lil power hungry in the head
@@raza3434Vilgax: a great friend, good leader, terrible person to be around if you happen to be wearing a watch
What he tried to use a ID mask and pretend to be the mom since his dad was going to pick him up but the dad was home things must have been awkward
I like your imagination
Remember Kuro having a counter from every time Ben gets the wrong alien? I can't wait to see that go through the roof when he gets to Omniverse.
My thoughts exactly, my friend.
Would the Big Bang transformation cycle count as a mistransformation
@@skibot9974 I don't think so.
@@skibot9974 Ben didn't have a transformation in mind, it was more of an "Azmuth take the wheel" moment
Ben: “Humongousaur”
Omnitrix: NO
Everyone be wanting a Kevin car counter and Gwen yelling "KEVIN" counter but I just want a "UAF completely dark background" counter
Lmao
Yeah
INFINITY
I'm from the future and they do have something similar. Every time someone says Kevin's name in surprise, their voices are dubbed over with Ben 10,000 saying "Kevin?!"
I always love the callbacks that “Ben 10” does to previous episodes!
Call backs are awesome
15:24 Carl with Ben and Grandpa max is just Jerry with Rick and Morty. Change my mind 🤣
100%
Except grandpa max cares for Carl, he really does it’s just that he didn’t show it much
@Bennett Nyson someone did, I've forgotten where I saw it
@Bennett Nyson You really had to do Jerry like that, he’s just a regular guy stuck in a world of chaos
@Bennett Nyson Rick wasn’t even around in Beth’s life, so you can’t blame that on Jerry
Hey Kuro now that you are gonna review Alien Force I suggest you to have counters of
Kevin shouting "MY CAR"
The gang at Mr smoothie
Kiss scenes
Kevin's car getting destroyed
Your first congratulations 🎈🍾🎊🎉
I don't remember that much kissing scenes •_•
@@dinoricky5188 Thanks
Also, Gwen saying "Kevin" dramatically
@@krishnakapadia146 your welcome
Kuro waving the lighter at the intro just made my day.
Why?
@@neeljavia2965 Because this is the last episode with this opening... 🥲
@@kingstarscream8614 Reality hitting harder than rock.
1:30 and considering how Race Against Time wasn’t deemed non-canon till Ultimate Alien season 2 THAT could’ve also been considered the finale
@@Eacles because it’s a lot quicker and easier to say non canon. Plus stuff about the film is clearly no longer canon as seen with Eon’s species and motives
@@Eacles There's a theory that Eon was from an different alien species who later took over Ben of a different timeline and began his conquest of destroying Ben.
@@Eacles Hmmm
@@neeljavia2965actually that's what happen in 5OL
Honestly a season dedicated to living his life after summer would’ve been fun.
Yh and it could have explored ben trying to remove the omnitrix referenced in alien force
@@tomthompson2038 Ben removed the Omnitrix because he lost Feedback, it's explained in Omniverse
@@Nickissimo no I mean how he removed it cuz gwen says it was very difficult
This would mean no feedback, also Ben giving up the hero business wouldn’t have happened, they would never show Ben giving up the watch, and ending it like that, without him getting it back, I can’t imagine Ben giving up for the respected series would ever work as a proper ending
@@Nickissimo Um, no, it wasn't explained at all, nor was it really implied. Plus Derrick Wyatt has stated that's not the case, and that no one in the crew even liked the idea. And thank god he did, because while I can understand Ben feeling distraught at the thought of losing Feedback and not wanting to fight for a while, him straight up removing the Omnitrix because of this always sounded completely ridiculous to me. "Oh shit, I just loss my favorite alien! I guess I quit."
I'll never understand why people even remotely like this theory to begin with. There has to have been something more traumatic that happened later on that we're missing, and thank god again for Derrick's statement, which confirms this.
too be fair when ben was cannonbolt he did have his dad inside of him. so he probably wouldnt want to attack the drones incase his dad got hurt
Weird sentence without context
@@fabooshka his dad inside of him
@@fabooshka it's weird with the context
Poor choice of words
When Vilgax called out the Tennysons and the boys were like "which one", reminds me when Reboot Ben said to Alien X "seriously which one, there're lots of us here".
That was both hilarious and badass.
Vilgax: "So much suffering. Are you prepared for more Tennyson?"
Ben, Carl and Max: "You talking to me ugly?"
Badass runs in the family.
I think that purple ribbon is from Gwen's lucky girl outfit, I know some will say that gwen should have it but it makes sense for Ben to have a piece of it too I mean they care for much for each other I like that Ben has it 😊 shows how much they really care for each other as a family
😳For a second I thought you were a Bwen fan👀
I prefer secret of the omnitrix to be the ending of the classic series but this episode is pretty good too
Agree it has a lot of potential
Same here
Same
Same
It's what I always watch right before alien force.
I guess this Ben had even more troubled childhood (unlike how easy it's shown here with him going back to school like nothing happened) than prime Ben as his identity was never hidden and was constantly in media right from age 10 unlike the prime ones from 16.
One of the possible reasons he got so grumpy by the time he reached 30.
Ooh nice theory actually
Imagine my disappointment when Ben's parents don't know his identity in Alien Force and are in bad terms with Max once again, it was a harsh introduction to non canon episodes...
6:54 it's been forever since you've pointed that out, kuro. It's hilarious that you keep telling him to keep your eyes on the road.
Lol
@@bobbyahmad5197 hahaha.
Hero time counter: *crying in corner*
Omniverse: allow me to introduce myself
i think it goes:
Negative 10 is the series finale
Secret of the Omnitrix is the finale Story-wise
Ken 10 and Goodbye and Good Riddance could be post finale specials (A Ben 10,00 episode and an anthology episode respectively)
@The Weavile Why would Ben being Eye-Guy mean Secrets isn't the finale? It's just 3 different takes of the opening but I do agree that Ben wouldn't be late as Heatblast and especially XLR8.
And what are you talking about, Secrets being in the same backgrounds as the wedding? What does that matter?
@The Weavile its still up for debate which alien he actually used, though i do believe its Eye Guy since, well Eye Guy needs some love he just doesn’t get until Omniverse.
If you ask me, Goodbye and Good Riddance is Ben 10,000's timeline at the end of the summer
Yeah this episode confused the hell out of me, this alt canon stuff wasn’t something i could rap my head around and it kept making me question my ben was surprised vilgax came back in alien force. I too side with the idea of secret of the Omnitrix being the proper finale to the show given its importance to the story and all around epicness. -30:38 HE HAS A DOG?! Man i totally forgot i really hope he didn’t just die before alien force 8:12 My brother wears His bracelets twenty four seven, thats just how some folks do.
Doesn't he need to clean his wrists under the bracelets though
Well, The Dog already looked a little old and AF takes place 5 years after the OS and there is no sight of the dog, so........yeah
@The Weavile clearly isn’t clear when theres three different beginnings to the movie. Even if its marginally more chronologically to be before the negative ten, secret feels much more thematically conclusive to the series and makes the series feel like it went out with a bang.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 ooooh damn
What about destroy all aliens
Honestly, I think the movie should have been the finale. Technically the Destroy all aliens is the proper finale, which bridges the gaps to Alien Force and the 11 year old Ben adventures in Omniverse.
Where's proof Destroy all aliens is proper finale to classic ben leading to AF? 🤨
@@danielsurvivor1372 because it literally takes place at the end of the summer of the OS
It’s not rocket science dude
I honestly like to imagine there was almost basically an entire episode's adventure of Ben unlocking Eye-Guy, learning somethings about him before Animo takes Gwen and Max. Ben then pursues Animo and breaks into his Lair with Eye-Guy and that's when the Movie Starts
8:48 I like how Ben has a poster of a robot that resembles Optimus Prime in the background
Why didn't Kuro pointed that out?
Maybe he just didn’t notice it I didn’t till you pointed it out
Looks like G1 combined with fall of cybertron because the sword isn’t physically connected to his hand like in other shows
this episode always gave me a weird, surreal, dream-like vibe even before i knew it was non-canon.
i also don't think they used to air it very often in re-runs, so seeing it always felt bizarre
I feel as though the reason Vilgax wanted to destroy Ben's town was because of familiarity. He's battled Ben so often and has both lost and probably been humiliated across the galaxy so it would make sense he'd feel somewhat petty, shifting his goal from 'Aquire the Omnitrix' to 'Aquire the Omnitrix....and as a bonus I can ruin the life of the weilder'.
If this was the finale I'd be fine with it.
I reckon it was mostly made before Alien Force was okayed for production might've been written during season 1
It first aired like 3 days before the first episode of Alien Force
@@itstherealbrace6424 aired. Not produced
Did anybody find it funny that Kuro was waving a flame when the intro was playing
I didn’t even notice it until recently which is kinda convenient since the intro was playing when I found this
9:30 You know I know this episode is least likely canon ending leading to AF, but wouldn't it be funny if that's why Ben started shouting his aliens names? Just cuz he got so sick and tired of people calling them lame names? So he's like "When I go alien I'll make sure to shout loud af so people know HOW TO NAME THEM!"
9:14 we all know that's Gwen's voice actor.
She’s not even trying a different voice
I think a good community poll would’ve been how many people even **knew** the final episode was non-canon
Almost everyone I’ve ever talked about Ben 10 with had no idea it was an alternate timeline. I’ve gotten people to watch Alien Force, and they almost all ask “Wait, why does he have a secret identity? Everyone found out in the last episode of the original show”
I know many people won't agree and maybe even judge me, but in my opinion this is the best OG Series episode that was aired, the fact Ben's identity is revealed and so we came to meet his parents and the dog, Vilgax attacking Ben's house simply genious
Honestly, I agree
I think Gwen's father said that everyone thought Verdona was unaware of Max's work despite her being an alien herself.
But she was still implied to be dead. Now obviously Alien Force didn't came into mind here so Max's wife was hinted to be dead.
@@Nameless82284 I'm not talking about her being dead I was talking about Max hiding it even though Verdona knew and he knew she was an alien.
Even in Alien Force Gwen's dad was saying Max still kept his Plumber Work secret from Verdona, I think he said something along the lines of "dad thought he hid that from you."
But you are right as far as alien force goes at best it was still in early stages I dont even know if anodites or Verdona were even planned that early.
honestly, i'd like to see an alternate alien force continued from this finale, where Ben's secret being revealed when he's younger either leads to a Ben 23 situation, or where he goes more into training to help protect his loved ones (Similar to how theyre targeted in ultimate) from a young age, leading to a personality like his first 10,000 counterpart. And in turn, there could also be focus on Max seeing Carl's potential for being a plumber (as he does have the same ways of thinking in a fight as max and ben, seen in this episode), and recruits him for the rebuilding of the plumbers, leading to stories based on Carl and Max reconnecting and Max attoning for the neglect in Carl's youth. Also the dynamic would be adding another element to the previously touched upon Ben plotline, with Max possibly supporting Ben diving headfirst into full time hero/plumber work, and Carl trying to keep Ben's innocense, wanting to protect his son from losing himself the same way as his father
Can’t wait for you to start Alien Force
And I can't wait to name the species and planets in alien force and ultimate alien.
Me too
Yes! The final og Ben 10 episode!
Hi buddy
@@bobbyahmad5197 😁
Hi buddy
This was a fun ride, can't wait to get to alien force
Yup, my three favorite voice actors.
Yuri lowenthal.
Ashley Johnson.
Greg Cipes.
@@christianparrish6647 I personally know Yuri Lowenthal from his role as Yosuke Hanamura
@@benduford3746 of course the first time I saw him, was behind the scenes of Ben 10 alien force the video game on the Wii.
So including Eye Guy and Way Big Ben unlocked 20 Aliens in the Classic Series
Yep
@Bennett Nyson 19*
I think as a kid I never realised this was really the end of classic series. That moment with Ben and grandpa shaking hands is a reallllly nice moment, seeing him more as his 10 year old grandson but as the hero he’s seen during the summer. What an episode despite the off model art style
So, I've been watching this series since it started and I'm a big fan. In some earlier videos Kuro, you mentioned a few other counters that you might have included, one of them being an 'Oh man' counter. I would like to throw my hat in the ring and give you the episode by episode count of 'Oh man' and 'Aw man' (since they are functionally the same).
Season 1 - Total: 15
And Then There Were 10: 1
Washington B.C.: 2
The Krakken: 1
Permanent Retirement: 1
Hunted: 3
Tourist Trap: 1
Kevin 11: 1
The Alliance: 0
Last Laugh: 0
Lucky Girl: 0
A Small Problem: 1
Side Effects: 1
Secrets: 3
Season 2 - Total: 19
Truth: 0
Big Tick: 3
Framed: 1
Gwen 10: 1
Grudge Match: 1
The Galactic Enforcers: 1
Camp Fear: 3
The Ultimate Weapon: 2
Tough Luck: 1
They Lurk Below: 1
Ghostfreaked Out: 1
Dr. Animo and the Mutant Ray: 3
Back With a Vengeance: 1
Season 3 - Total: 28
Ben 10,000: 1
Midnight Madness: 3
A Change of Face: 1
Merry Christmas: 2
Ben Wolf: 2
Game Over: 1
Super Alien Hero Buddy Adventures: 2
Underwraps: 3
The Unnaturals: 6
Monster Weather: 1
The Return: 2
Be Afraid of the Dark: 3
The Visitor: 1
Season 4 - Total: 20
Perfect Day: 1
Divided We Stand: 3
Don't Drink the Water: 1
My Big Fat Alien Wedding: 0
The Secret of the Omnitrix: 6
Ben Four Good Buddy: 2
Ready to Rumble: 3
Ken 10: 1
Ben 10 vs. the Negative Ten, Pt.1: 1
Ben 10 vs. the Negative Ten, Pt. 2: 1 (There is one in the recap of part one, but I didn't count that.)
Goodbye and Good Riddance: 2
Grand Total: 72
Fun Fact - Ben and his aliens are the only ones to say 'Oh man', except for Kenny when he gets stuck in the air vent, and Max in 'Ben Four Good Buddy' when he sees the modified Rust Bucket.
This is my petition to add an 'Oh Man' counter, but I understand if it shouldn't be added after this as I don't know how much it comes up in the following shows and movies. Keep up the good work Kuro.
14:20 I just imagine vilgax did the shooting star meme back to earth
Been beyond an absolute pleasure to have contributed throughout the run! This segment will be posted as its own OmniTalk Mini-episode on my channel with more to come with time!
Thank y’all so much, and happy breakdown!
1. Another possible reason why this is considered non cannon is because they don't want undermine Secrets of the Omnitrix by having Vilgax return again
2. That villain in the beggining could be a Captain Nemesis villain maybe?
While I loved seeing him reveal his secret identity, it felt really out of place that the thing that defeated Vilgax was some sewer explosion from Ben's dad. And the fact that supposedly that's how he stayed destroyed for 30 years. I think narratively, thematically, and emotionally, Secret of the Omnitrix works the best as the series finale.
No joke best part of the breakdown for me was Kuro waving a lighter for the final time we'll see the classic series opening in these breakdowns.
It’s Alien Force time BOYS
We better get ready for Kevin’s Car
I don't know if kuro would do a counter for his car.
CAR SHOTS
@@christianparrish6647 he said he's gonna do it
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 really? Alright then!
I can't wait when u start with alien force
Me too.
I can't wait to binge this entire series a few years from now!
In a hypothetical scenario where all the Classic endings are all canon, I’d say the order would be: Secret of the Omnitrix (Gold version), Negative 10, Goodbye and Good Riddance (before Vilgax comes to Earth), Destroy All Aliens, Race Against Time and ending with Goodbye and Good Riddance (after Vilgax comes to Earth). Obviously this doesn’t work at all, but it’s fun to theorise
You couldn’t have uploaded this at a better time. Thank you so much
each of the 3 endings gives us something different:
- secrets gives us an actual space adventure, reveals the creator of the omnitrix and gives us an OP as hell transformation
- neg10 gives us an awesome ensemble team up of classic villains and a "final stand" type story with the trio at mt rushmore
- gbye & griddance answers a burning question that we all would have had "so what happens when the summer break ends?" "what does ben do after it's all over?" even if it doesnt show us what happens after his identity is out
I remember being confused from this episode as a kid because I was like “Is Vilgax dead?” And then he showed up in Alien Force
You think an explosion in the sewers could kill Vilgax? He’s survived his ships exploding twice with one of them being by a nuke and an high tech grenade in the face
Oh, this explains such big questions I had in my mind for a long time. I remember this episode but never quite understood how Ben's identity was kept a secret afterwards, it not being canon explains it all, never payed much attention to the comic book thingies
Man this series has been such a joy to watch over the past months, hella looking forward to Alien Force and beyond!
I completely didn’t know that this episode wasn’t canon/the finale, until watching this. And I watched Ben 10 classic for the first time only about a month ago. Didn’t know about the comic book intro/outro automatically meaning it was an AU, so I just assumed it was part of the story. (Cue confusion about certain circumstances when watching Alien Force. Lol) I’m glad your videos are here. XD
These Breakdowns are a blessing! I always forget it's Friday until I see a Breakdown on my recommendation feed.
I always saw secrets of the omnitrix as the last one as it made more sense to be an ending, as ben in alien force thought he saw vilgax for the last time when he threw him into the void of space as Waybig
Kuro almost doing a perfect Upchuck impression at the end there xD
Tbh, Max is both the funniest and the scariest character of all, the humor you put onto him is just so creative and funny. Like the, "never looking at the road", "infinite tennyson strength" and many more jokes and memes that came out of his character.
I wish in Alien Force, they continued just as this finale gave it so unlike Ben's parents finding out about his Omnitrix again.
Tbf as kuro said, their production schedules likely overlapped with one another so one could presume they weren’t even aware of what episodes they were doing
The gun that Max uses in the kitchen fight is also used in Big Fat Alien Wedding. They're the ones that can fold up into tiny cylinders that Max hid when the newly weds prohibited weapons.
I am so late to watch this, but I can’t believe it’s over, kuro’s OS breakdowns were one of the best things to ever happen and I’ll really miss it! It was such a phenomenal nostalgic trip. Thank you for the great effort Kurt, can’t wait for the alien force breakdowns
Wow Dr Animo appears in this season more times than I remember. He's in Divided we Stand, the start of Secret of the Omnitrix, the Negative 10 and the end of this episode.
WE EATINNN WHEN YOU POST BRO 💯😌💯
Honestly, I never treated this as canon, mainly because it begins and ends with comic covers which I think is a way of saying that it's not canon. (I think they used comic covers for Gwen 10 but I don't remember.)
that what i took it as a what if story.
I believe it to be canon.
@@LucyWest370 is that why everything afterwards proves that it isn't?
@@keelanbarron928 how exactly does anything in Alien Force contradict the ending of classic? If Destroy all Aliens is canon (which it actually is) than Ben’s parents had their minds frazzled and forgot everything that previously happened including knowing Ben’s secret.
@@LucyWest370 What about the other people who knew his secret? You know... the whole school/town and who knows who else?
I would've loved to see where the franchise would've gone if Alien Force continued from Goodbye and Good Riddance?
Perhaps an amalgam of Ben 23 from Omniverse with ultimate alien. Since Grandpa has already guided him, it could focus on him trying to get back to finding the Hero in him while finding out how Grandpa disappeared
Maybe an alternative universe to visit one time...omniverse miss this oportunity
Perhaps it would be just like the beginning of Alien Force
@@taha_boy Ben being a beloved hero and celebrity. He would be Ben23
Watch Will Harangue insult a 10 year old and call him a menace.
Now this is the Finale I remember
Yup
Yeah i feel you on the school cafeteria time... In my high school we had 20 minutes to eat, but 10 of those were going down the stairs along with 200 people, then at least 5 minutes on line to grab the food...
Ahhhhhhhhhhh. What a journey this was. Thank you Kuro for everything. You brought to me many beautifull memories off my favourite cartoon when I was a child. And the best superhero ever and the best villains ever too. This cartoon made a lot off people childhood and thank you for having us remember how exicting it was to watch this. (Soryy if I made some grammar mistakes, English is not my first language)
Honestly I can't wait for the omniverse review, so many hidden gems
Omniverse is the best.
Agreed, very underrated.
I was so excited when i discoverd this breakdowns because ben 10 was one of my childhood series that i would always appreciate and knowing that a community still exists after 16 years it's really just wow and I have follow every breakdown since the start, looking forward to alien force :]
Plot twist, Vilgax didn't "make it to earth" on his own accord after getting yeeted off Xenon, he was just thrown so hard that he flew to earth
LMAOOOOO
I just wish this episode established to be the timeline that leads to original Classic Ben 10K timeline 😢
Theory: Maybe the reason Grandpa Max can still kick butt because of the weird food he eats has super helpful vitamins?
Im still think the plumbers mess with some alien super soldier formula
or because he's not an old man watching tv 24/7 plus I think grandpa max is like sixty in os and like 65/66 in ben 10 ultimate alien force and omniverse and 60 isn't that old soooo
I love how Ben’s parents don’t even question why he has this weird watch on his wrist every second of every day.
Hell yes love the vids man
4:49 Seeing Kuro doing the Lighter wave with the title at the beginning was wholesome, it was like a send off
10:05
I can relate my current school has our recces barely be 21 minutes
21??? Mine is 15!
Btw, something I figured out a couple of months back. One of Ben's catch phrases is "It's hero time." And then he hits a watch. It's hero *time*. Time, a watch. I never knew that until a few months back where I saw someones comment on that. My stupidity surprises me sometimes...
This series has been one hell of a nostalgia trip for me. Can’t wait to see you cover the other series, specially Alien Force, since I was rewatching it earlier this year.
Gotta say, I think season two was my favorite. Maybe its just classic Kevin being absolutely amazing, and the introduction of new aliens, but it was great
As always, wonderful video Kuro!
LETS GOOO!
I have been waiting for this one 😄
This all kinda makes sense, with Alien Force airing right after this final episode it's plausible that AF was in development during Season 4.
I found your channel about when you started this breakdown thing. Its been such a ride an im really lookin forward to the next series
"Now that is a cool moment, I'll give them that, I guess it is cool for Ben to show off in front of people who tormented him." These quotes are just the funniest thing to ever exist
this is my favorite ending to the os. It is possible that it was meant to be the ending but do to rush schedules and a lack of communication with the af writers, they just finished it up fast and then slapped the comic book intro on it.
When I was a kid and there was only Classic series running on I thought Max's wife is dead.
Arguably everyone thought that
@@axelnilsson5124 Indeed, until Alien Force :)
For me, The negative ten two parter was the finale for the classic series for me as it was the final episodes of the classic series run to air on tv in Australia before Alien force and it was placed as the last episodes in the running order on the season 4 DVD set. Secret of the omnitrix in Australia was released between season 3 and 4. In Australia, we always get everything so late from overseas in terms of shows and movies.
Yes, I’ve been waiting all morning for this, the ink tank is the goat.
13:55 I like to think the cube is his hover board
9:11 nobody:
Kuro's cats playing in the background
i remember the first breakdown like it was 2 days ago, and that was awesome