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- Footage from the Tompkins Karate Association (TKA) Winter 2019 Black Belt Exam from Feb 23rd 2019.
The Tang Soo Do exam saw Sam testing for his 1st Degree Black Belt and Ron and Theresa testing for their 2nd Degree Black Belts via examination in 4 areas - Forms/Kata, One Step-Sparing and Jiujitsu, "4-Corner" and Free Sparring.
Congrats to all those who tested!
Equipment:
Canon 80D
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Takstar Shotgun Mic
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I just bumped into this video by accident. Congrats for the level of the students overall. Excellent technique, timing and distancing as well as fighting spirit. Keep up the good work!
So glad you stopped by Gregory, stay well!
As an i4 yr TKD man ( 3rd Dan), 5 yrs in Wing Chun and back in Martial Arts at 66 and a Shotokan white belt I thought the standard pretty good. The Lady impressed me most! Great form in the Katas
Very nice and welcome back! One of the best part about martial arts is how long it can be practiced. And I'm sure the lady will appreciate your comment!
@Steve, totally agree with you the lady karate black belt is lethal, feminine and beautiful, all women should take up karate, don’t you agree ? oss
Fantastic job by all! Your hard work and dedication really shows. Keep up the great training.
Appreciate the kind words and thanks for checking out the vid!
ITF guy here, you guys ROCK! Especially the woman at the 10 minute mark - very sharp, precise and controlled techniques. Great stuff!
Appreciate it Aaron! Would love for you to point us to some videos of your school's stuff!
Outstanding. I love the intensity.
This was enjoyable to watch. The female had the crispest form and her stances were impeccable during her three katas. She is very focused and precise.
Hi there
I really enjoyed it. It was such a pleasure to watch all candidates. I thought the respect for each other and for the club and for Tang Soo Do are on an extrem high standard and I thank them. The "take downs" or sweepings it was an amazing commitment of "self defensive ground work" and execution or termination which have been well taught. Tang Soooooooo
Thx Peter! Watching Black Belts/candidates do their work is always impressive!
Brilliant. What a great team. All candidates looking super sharp. I love this. Congratulations to all 3, hard work. TANG SOO✊
Thanks so much! And really enjoyed some of the sparring content over on your channel!
@@BushMackel oh wow, thank you greatly. 🙏🙏🙏
I feel motivated just looking this video!! Nice group you have!!!
I'm sure they appreciate the comment. Thx!
Me too.
Pretty impressive, I didn't realise tang soo do was such a complete art
Honestly I'm not personally familiar with too many other Tang Soo Do schools but from those I HAVE visited or follow tangentially through social media I'd say that while TKA does practice a lot of traditional TSD aspects, there are a few that TKA has evolved through the decades in order to offer more of a comprehensive curriculum. And you are seeing that evolution taking place in other schools but obviously it can just take a while to actually happen. Thx for checkin' out the vid and for the comment!
It's not. We supplement with aikido and jujitsu.
Amazing footage! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for checking it out!
Excellent work by all the candidates. Just absolutely fantastic to watch!!! Congrats to all👍👍
Thx for checking out the vid Jeffrey! Was def a fun exam!
@@BushMackel Yes I personally thought all of you did very well. Excellent as a matter of fact. I train as well here in Toronto and our kumite is very similar. There is contact like your club but with control and respect for your partners. You guys have amazing control. Keep up the great work and congrats again! Osu
i enjoyed watching this, a good standard, i don't know that much about tang soo, but it does resemble a shotokan looking school compared to alot of the tang soo schools i have seen.
Yes indeedy and we do many of the same katas too tho approach to sparring is pretty different in my experience.
Good eye. LeeWonKuk trained at the Shotokan with Funakoshi before and during WWII. In 1947 came to Korea and established the ChungDoKwan. As with the other kwans in Korea before the Kukkiwon united them all under the banner of TaekwonDo and the Chang Hon Hyung became predominate, what you saw in the emerging Korean 'karate' was Shotokan based. Hwang Ki, and the MooDukKwan, in evolving TangSooDo, now SooBahkDo, did so under the same influences, and many of the forms seen in this video retain their Japanese names and styles although they are Okinawan Shuri-te at their roots. I attach the following links for your interest....okic.okinawa/en/archives/news/p1140 In the following link, scroll down the side column to links to MooDukKwan TangSooDo. that should fill your cup. www.kidokwan.org/ Ongegaishimasu!
Sir, I don't know who tell them, this is Tang Soo Do. Who created this kind of "Tang Soo Do"? Poor Hwang Kee KJN
Good solid training! The candidates all looked good with strong fundamentals!
Thx Daniel!
I don't care what color her belt is, the young lady at around the 10 minute mark is impressively skilled! She is a lethal striker with both hands and feet
I'm sure she appreciates the comment!
Very nice variation of Bassai. I like the small changes done to it. These guys have really good power and technique. This is a really good Martial Arts school, I can tell by the quality of the students that this is a great school
Great sparring, awesome, I'm impressed , keep up the good work, from 1st dan black in sport karate, manchester England
Feelin the love Cap! Thx!
Good form, speed and power displayed! Tang Soo!
If you live in this area, you should run to this school because these students are being trained!
Fun to watch. It was nice to see bodies hitting the mat on one steps; reminiscent of my tests in kyukido. As I continue to see, there are always variations from organization to organization in the hyungs.
Thx Tim, after posting this video I went on a rabbit hole of checking out other organizations and seeing their belt tests and all. Always fun to watch!
@@BushMackel After a nearly 2 decade absence from formal training (moved to attend law school, start law practice and continue to raise my family), in Sept. 2019 I began training with an excellent TSD school in Tulsa. I simply enjoy learning from a variety of arts. The art in which I obtained my chodan - Kyukido - was a mixed, eclectic art (combining essentially Taekwondo, hapkido, and judo). I started reading and absorbing from Bruce Lee in my teen years, which are now well over 40 years in the rear view mirror.
She's Queen of the clubs the guys presented themselves well and with skill very enjoyable
Wow 6:30 is exactly how our school does that form. All the other ones vary significantly.
The one steps and self defense part was really impressive. Strikes missed by a hair or had good control. Was a treat to see
Thanks for checking out the video and glad you liked it Ryan! So what style is your school and any vids you can share? Always love to see what everyone is doing!
For the most part this does not look like Tang Soo Do. I believe it is what you say it is, just never seen this variation of technique. I am 4th dan in American Tang Soo Do (Chuck Norris founded version)! May I ask what lineage or Federation.
This is and incredible display I am blown away at everybody’s enthusiasm and crisp technique. Bravo. Simply amazing.
Thanks for checking out the vid and for the nice comments! To get a bit more information about TKA this might be helpful: www.tkasudo.com/about/dale-tompkins-and-tka/
And you're right, TKA has really involved in the last 50 years from traditional Tang Soo Do to where it is now which a lot of ppl enjoy!
P.S. Thx to your video - I'm going to do a tornado crescent kick lesson next week. Thx for the inspiration!
Rob Koch I understand. I earned a black belt in a heavy MDK form and then transferred into Chuck Norris System. Very different indeed.
Thanks for the feedback sir.
The 16 year old brown belt guy: his Bassai was essentially the core of the form with some different positions of how he did things from the way I learned how to do the form.
Might have been a bit rushed, there’s important pauses that need to be taken.
But that’s just my view from a different Tang Soo Do school.
Well done everyone! I know the LONG EXTREMELY HARD Work y’all have gone thru to have the privilege of testing and how far you have come!
Tang Soo! 🥋
Thx breebrat! And you know too, there's a good chance that the 16yr old would do that form quite differently now. (#):) I'm sure all the candidates in the video appreciate your praise and acknowledgement of how much work they've put in!
The better a student gets the more relaxed they are.
Absolutely they do!
Very enjoyable to watch.
This is the best I have seen for Tang Soo Do- the only thing I would like to see is the kumite without rehearsed moves. It is fairly easy to look good in that arena, but what of not knowing what the attack would be. Other than that- The Instructor should be proud of the their showing.
His Bassai form is way different than Soo Bahk Do the originator of Tang Soo Do
Lovely!
What TSD Association is this school affiliated with? I like the way they executed the double knife hand strike (more TKD like) most TSD schools execute this from the hip, rather than th shoulder.
Congrats. Really nice control in the fight. The only thing I don't like that much is the Masters uniforms Colors. But well done.
Control is certainly something that TKA puts an emphasis on so I'm sure they would like to hear that you picked up on that! And in TKA, 1st Degrees can wear white or black gis, 2nds can wear red and 3rds and up can wear blues. What is it like in your school/style?
I like it. In my organization we have to wear special botton up shirts and ties.
@@BushMackel Hello, in my case and school, I use white and only the Master can use black uniform or black and white.
Tremendous, athleticism!
Thx Don!!
Excellent
Amazing to watch!
Nice movements and amazing fluidity!
It’s even more amazing as a Shotokan practitioner to watch
I see the Shotokan influences though out some of the techniques
You can really see the difference in technique between the brown belt and black belt
But I do wonder something and it might just be style difference, but I do get a little confused
Why do they make themselves so readable? Because everyone of them in there bunkai(don’t have another word for it) keeps moving there front foot to the side to attack.
Not being a hater just wishing to understand
Have an amazing journey on mountain, we call martial arts!
Osu Gustav from DK Shotokan!
Thx Gustav for checking out the video! Could you give a time interval where you're seeing this? Would love to look at it myself!
I’m sorry for the long awaited answer, things have been a little crazy. But where I see it the first time is a 14:30 when the black belt attacks his foot on the lead leg moves out of the way which could be used as a tell against him, and I have seen people destroy there knees doing it. Also during the black belt test they are seen moving the front leg back to adjust for distance but that put a delay on the attack. There is no hate I my heart when asking i hope to understand and maybe help better some other amazing people on this amazing mountain of martial arts!
Best of the Best.
Very nice crafted exam and video.
The lady is at a different level, especially in her execution of forms. I cannot see her at the same level as the second guy (as an evaluator, I would have failed him for 2nd degree black belt at 34:44 for turning his sight away until the referee stops the fight, a potentially deadly mistake in a real fight). She seems like a combination of a great attitude and very good instructors.
I know this is a belt test and everyone is on point. Just out of curiosity how often do you guys train.
Depends on the the individual to dictate how often they're training leading up to their test. But I'd say probably at least 2 times a week with 3 not being unheard of. And there are some who would train more often than that.
Kenny Mac
You can tell. I have seen other schools and they are not st that level.
@@afallenpiano1445 I'm sure TKA appreciates the kind words. (#):)
what form of tang soo do is this? I am a 3rd Dan in TSD in the ITO. I don't recognize any of the forms but WOW. These students are amazing. excellent technique!!!
Strong technique. Tang Soo!
Best Korean Martial Arts film I have seen on you tube thank You
@K2, the young lady karate black belt is so beautiful no wonder she took up karate, to fight off all the men, her power, speed, flexible blocks, strikes, kicks and punches are amazing, feminine yet lethal, she would have the element of surprise if ever a man was foolish enough to attack her, so deserves her karate black belt, you are an inspiration to us women in karate, more self defence videos please !all women should take up karate don’t you agree ? oss
I really enjoyed the tech of each student well done great teacher's at the Do jang .. master c 6 Dan
No board breaks by hand and by kicks? No cement paver breaks?
TKA doesn't require that for exams. I guess a "boards don't hit back" kind of thing? (#):) But if you stay tuned, I'll probably be uploading a video of one of TKA's 3rd degree black belt promotions in the next week that features all kinds of breaking, and some while juggling!
Good standard from the candidates, good control and good respect. I have never understood though the people who remark negatively on other peoples abilities. Some of the remarks are totally out of order and I wonder how good their martial skills are? I bet they would not post anything of themselves, because they are not that good or cannot take criticism well, ahh poor things. If they are decent martial artists, they would understand that there are students who train with certain medical conditions and cannot control their weight or how well they can kick etc. A good martial art should conform to the student and not the other way round. I wish you well for the future and keep up the good work. Tang Soo.
Amazing😱 but I can't help but wonder how applicable those 1 steps are in real life
Good thought and I think depending on how you practice it can end up being fairly practical. Done a ton of times and it just builds up muscle memory. For instance, you practice a slip of a punch to osotogari a million times and it becomes second nature. Eventually you hit it smoother, hit it faster and then just magically when you're not thinking about that - You find yourself in that position and you make the move! (say in some sort of expanded sparring or TKA's 4 corner, etc)
Thx for checking out the vid!
@@BushMackel traditional martial Arts certainly has its place in street fights. Iv seen people who practice tea kwon do or something else pass out some vicious ass whoopins on the streets L
I guess they modified the forms. I don't recognize them.
You'll definitely see variety in forms/katas throughout schools and styles. Appreciate you checking out the video!
Every form is essentially modified. The original versions of any one kata have all been lost in the sands of time as the old saying goes. The founders of Shudokan, Shotokan, Shito-ryu and Shorin-ryu all trace back to Shuri-te with Anko Itosu and look how different each systems forms are compared to each other. Same with Shito-ryu and Goju-ryu, the Naha-te forms they share are slightly different. Even within a given art there are differences. If you look at the way the World Tang Soo Do Association and International Tang Soo Do Federation each perform their forms both art different. Hell, latter doesn't even use the same names on many forms as most Tang Soo Do stylists do.
Do any of these people taking the Black Belt test have to show the application of the Hyung/Pomsae?I do not know the name of it in Korean,but in Japanese it is called Bunkai.
It’s called “Bunhae” in Korean.
TANG SOO!!!
Hope you enjoyed the vid!
This was interesting to watch. I do ITF taekwon do. The forms here are different to ours but the sparring is identical. Our black belt gradings follow a similar format, basic or fundamental techniques, kicking combinations, self defence techniques, stick and knife defence for 2nd degree and above, flying and jumping kicks on pads and lastly board breaking. I must say l know little about Tang Soo Do other than it is a Korean art which seems to have similarities to Karate and Taekwon do. The standard displayed here is very high and there is no doubt the students here really trained hard for their grades. I notice there are different coloured uniforms. I'm assuming the masters wear blue? However there are also red and black uniforms and maybe the lower grades wear white?
Glad you enjoyed the video Michael! Yeah candidates for the 1st degree have to demonstrate some basics, 2 black belt forms (1st being Chinte (sp)), partner work jujitsu/one step, 4 corner and then 3 sparring matches. First usually being w/ someone their level (1st brown), 2nd being w/ someone the level they're testing for (1st black) and then someone 2nd degree black or higher. 2nd degree tests are very similar but the bar being significantly raised.
In our school, if your'e not a black belt you're only allowed to wear white gis and regardless of belt you're supposed to wear your writes for all testing. When you get your black belt, you're allowed to wear white gis, black gis, or any combination thereof. 2nd can wear red and 3rds up and wear blue!
Thanks again for the comment and sharing some thoughts from the Taekwondo side!
Thanks for the explanation 👍
@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv YW! I left some parts out but the guts of TKA's process is there for sure.
I was in the American Kyukido Federation when they still used the ITF hyungs. I am now in TSD (about 2.5 years). There are many similarities but there are differences even in the Korean terminology.
Super
i guess tang so do is shotokan with just more kicks
I have a lot of opinions about this, but I'm going to refrain from using them as some of the best instructors I've had the honour of training with always say give respect to all forms of martial arts.
There is one thing i do think should change, and that is the crowd watching.
Getting a black belt is tough enough, you don't need people who may not fully understand it themselves adding any kind of pressure to the situation.
It also makes it seem more like a crowd pleasing event than a grading.
Grading for and joining a black belt "family" should be a special thing reserved for only those who are qualified to watch/judge because they already hold a certain level of black belt and for the candidates themselves.
Parents and spectators don't sit with you for any other test or exam in school or college. This is arguably just as important and should be treated the same way.
This is just my personal opinion though and not a reflection of anyone or anything i may be associated with.
Yeah interesting thoughts! A lot of other schools it won't be as much of an exam (with the possibility to fail) as much as it's just a demonstration and you're right, having friends and family and others there can add a lot more to the situation both good and bad. I know some who like ppl there as they use their energy to get though fights and such. Others can get pretty "tight" with loved ones in the crowd or get that massive adrenaline dump knowing ppl are watching. BUT one could certainly make the argument too that there IS merit for those reasons of showing in front of others.
Thx for the checkin out the vid!
Competitions, training sessions and demonstrations all cater towards the option of having a spectator , so in that regard I think again spectators shouldn't be allowed at gradings because the grading is not for them.
Also, in the real world and in more Budo karate , the only person you have to rely on in tense situations is yourself.
Your family, friends and loved ones may not be there to give you that positive energy.
So you have to dig deep and fi d it within yourself to pull through.
I like the phrase: a black belt is just a white belt that never gave up.
You dont have to be a world champion. You just need to be able to stand up and to quote Captain America " I can do this all day".
Tha k you for the video. As someone who has been doing JKA Shotokan karate for 20yrs now, this was not only enlightening but I reminder to me to stay humble and respectful for all styles of martial arts.
@@vishenbhoonpershad507 Right on Vishen! I think the argument could be made too that in a real life situation (one that you have to use your training to protect yourself or loved ones) that if that's the first time you've experienced that nervous energy/adrenaline, you're probably not going to be performing at your best. I know for me, one of the biggest things I had to learn (and continue to work on) is how to deal with that adrenaline dump because even being relatively young (mid 30s), all of that coupled with asthma I can find myself in a bad way quick if I didn't learn on how to relax and deal w/ all those things.
Oh and if you dig Shotokan stay tuned as I'll probably be uploading a video "soon" of a Tang Soo Do'er turned Shotokan'er who came back for a tournament and put on a heck of a show in kata!
BTW, "I can do this all day" is such a killer quote
Where I live it's pretty common to have family, friends and/or colleagues watch an oral exam. They are, in fact, actively invited to ask questions. And a part of the presentation must be tailored for this group because they might not know a lot about the subject of the test.
When I did my oral exam for my Bachelor's degree, I had more than 10 colleagues sit in and watch my presentation of my findings, including two department heads. So people watching a black belt test (or any other belt test for that matter) isn't anything I find unusual. And most of the time those belt tests are impressive to watch :-)
I agree, clapping should be left for competitions, not during the exams, maybe at the presentation.
Great self defense, we never throw like that! I didn’t see a lot of spinning or turning kicks in the sparring. However the control of the fighters was outstanding!
Great comment @buildwalls2001! Yeah TKA is pretty out of the norm when it comes to TSD schools for their use of throws, wrist locks and all that. Appreciate you taking the time to comment!
the belt sistam looks like taekwondo and the black belt does to but the form has good speed and power work on you fighting stance thoe it looks to wide good chops and such
Appreciate you checking the vid and you're right - There are certainly overlaps between Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do. Thx again!
Nice self-defense techniques but no resistance at all from the attackers
Tang Soo Do like most styles, is technique centric. Many overweight, poorly conditioned practitioners in this test. But hold on! They make their heavy duty GI's crack with every punch and kick. I love the old " Combat" style of military Korean Karate of the 50's and 60's where the Korean and American military trained together and they were so fit and obviously ready for combat.
Ronda Benett A Gi is called a Dobok in Korean.
Dang, I wish my black belt test were that easy.
Thanks for the comment Sarah! So what style did you/do you train and what was your black belt test like?
@@BushMackel I train in a traditional Korean martial art called Kuk Sool Won. Our black belt testing cycle last for two years we test every quarter so 8 test total. Each test lasts from 4 and half to 6 hours. Every test is a little bit different, but basically consists of a warm up, calisthenics, kicking and punching, forms, weapon forms, falls, self defense techniques, sparring, and finally breaking. Calisthenics, kicking and punching always last for an hour and half to two hours.
@@SarahStuckstede Nice! So I looked up some Kuk Sool Won and it looks like a cool art that is very multifacted similar TKA's particular brand of Tang Soo Do. For reference, students testing for black belt usually are "in a cycle" for at least a year and often more than that. Personally I tested as an adult in summer of 2015 so I was training heavy prob since Dec of 2014, and finally got my provisional first degree in Feb/March of 2016 and cleared it (after a teeny tiny health scare) in Feb/March of 2017. And I would say that duration isn't uncommon amongst candidates.
To be on a TKA BB exam you have to get the green light to begin going after it from your head instructor, permission from at least 5 instructors (2nds and up who have seen all your stuff) and then to get a black belt you have to get the majority vote from the panel of 2nds and up. So once you've gotten TO a test almost everyone pretty much has a good idea of where you are as a TSD TKA martial artist. They've already seen your cardio and stamina, your kicking and punching, rolling and falling from a variety of techniques so that w/ warming up, I think it's safe to say the general feel is that they don't need to explicitly see it again and make the exam even longer.
(And what you don't see in the video is that all the BBs deliberate and talk about the decisions for usually well over an hour. (If it's only an hour, people are ecstatic lol) Further, as I'm sure I've said in other videos, it's not uncommon at all for people to fail the exam either.)
Probably stemming from this video, I've seen a lot of BB exams for various martial arts including, TKD, TSD, BJJ and now Kuk Sool Won off the top of my head.They're all radically different and emphasize different things and that's what (at least to me) is one of the things that makes martial arts great!
Would love to see a video of your school's test and thanks for keeping the conversation going!
Proof that girls kick ass!
Who Created this "Tang Soo Do? Looks like a blend of a multiple gringos Ideas
TANG SOO DO ??????????????????
Not bad.
Good work.
I can always tell ppl who trained under Ki Whang Kim up to a certain point because yall dont do the forms the same way we do them and yall dont do certain forms.
Appreciate the look and remember too that you're only seeing a few of the forms TKA students learn in this video. Typically black belt candidates aren't asked to do all their lower belt forms on test day as their instructors have seen them plenty of times by this point.
Stances are wayyyy off.
No they aren’t.
Does your style have any basic fitness requirements? Demonstrate cardio, say run two miles in under 16 minutes, or x number of calisthenics? I guess it bothers me to see a brown testing for black with a pot belly. In fact it bothers me to see BBs strutting around with giant bellies, LOL. Should be a requirement for all to do a yearly fitness assessment or lose their rank.
I would say this particular school doesn't seem to have any fitness requirements like you outline but candidates have failed their exams because they don't have the stamina to get through their fights which often manifests in lower offense, inadequate defense etc etc.
The other side to that too is often ppl will get their black belts when they're younger and then they get hit with lifelong injuries later where they just can't do what they did before. Or maybe they're getting their black belts later in life and are already coming to the table with some soft of condition.
I haven't heard of TKA demoting someone of their rank and I think en general they tailor black belts towards the individual candidate's potential which can certainly be an odd thought vs other schools and styles but it seems to be working for them!
You must be a troll. Would you strip every master of rank as age catches up with them to satisfy your silly expectations? Having a gut does not mean unfit. Not everyone fits through the same human shaped keyhole. Some have strengths where others do in other areas. P.S. where is your testing posted?
So you cant get knocked out by a guy with a pot belly?
Is that what you think?
LOL
I agree. These people are fat as shit
ron is good at the sparring but really needs to get that cardio done, the young kid seems to be the club favorite even the head instructor was loving everything he did and the lady was so good at the technical choreographed stuff but so bad at actual sparring
If that lady is a 7th degree black belt, I'm the Pope
Well I feel blessed that you've graced this channel with your presence!
@@BushMackel you should
Nice to meet you Mr. Pope
Not the worst I’ve seen. The techniques themselves are decent. It’s the application where things fall apart. People with chins up, then throwing them back more to avoid punches, very poor footwork, and a general lack of good balance. A black belt is not what it used to be. They do seem to have a good sense of community and comraderie though.
I think it's pretty rare that someone looks back at one of their performances (belt testing or otherwise) and doesn't see things that they wanted to do differently, better or have improved upon. Appreciate you checking out the vid and for the comment George!
Kenny Mac
True. Good luck and keep training!
DEAN...LOUSY FORM NO SPEED NO SHARPNESS NO FEELING NO GUTS. THE GIRL WAS GOOD.
Thx for checking out the vid!
stoooooopid geeks
stoooooooopid karate geeks?! BTW, saw your playlist with a lot of kwonkicker stuff in it - Super glad he's back at it!
@@BushMackel yah i was bein a bit lippy lol micah is awesome
@@tonyroy8410 All good - TH-cam is a great place to get a lil lippy from time to time haha
Seriously, if you have a black belt in this nonsense, you owe it to yourself to go to a legit BJJ Gym and try dealing with a BJJ 2 stripe White Belt. You will get dumped on your ass and choked out so quickly that your ego will take a major beating and you will have a major dose of reality... then decide for yourself how long you want to fool yourself or accept the facts and train BJJ...
Hey Paladin! I'm a black belt in this school and have been training under a Relson Gracie BJJ academy for 3 or 4 years.
For me, I chase the knowledge wherever I can get it and I can say without a doubt my traditional martial arts training has put me ahead of other newer BJJ students.
To dismiss a school or style out of hand really limits some great stuff you can learn from it.
Appreciate you checking out the video and taking the time to comment! Stay safe!
@@BushMackel Agreed on general conditioning being beneficial for beginning BJJ. But, from what I'm seeing in this video... dude, you've got to be kidding me... That female black belt wouldn't last 2 seconds on the mat with a Relson 2 stripe white belt
@@Paladin1776a To be clear, I never mentioned general conditioning and tbh I would say that isn't a strength of this school...
I was at a holiday party a couple years back and a TKA black belt said to me, "[What you don't realize is that not only does TKA do a good job in Tang Soo Do, it does a great job in preparing you to learn other martial arts."
When I'm rolling with new students in BJJ (or hell even multiple stripe white belts) it's a pretty safe bet that they're going to use muscle and not technique (which won't get you anywhere as soon as you roll with someone physically stronger than you), they're likely not going to make it through the class to get to rolling (because they'll use WAY too much energy any time they're doing someone OR someone is doing something to them), they have no body awareness and thus no idea which foot is left and which is right lol ("Scrape his foot with your left... no your left... no your other left.. no your other left left..."), they have no idea about where their weight/balance is (or whomever they're rolling with) and the list goes on right? As a TKA black belt, I don't really have these issues and I can just focus on learning.
The reason why I started BJJ is because I was aware that as far as martial arts go (notice I didn't say self-defense/protection), TKA is half the battle and mainly I mean everything up on your feet (Japanese Jiujitsu, Judo, more traditional karate striking, etc). Most BJJ schools focus on the newaza of Judo. That is also half the battle. I say that as my Academy also offers striking in the form of Muay Thai and Fight Sim (striking, takedown, bjj etc with gloves). When me (the TKA black belt) was in the Fight Sim classes, I was better than over half the students there most of whom were better than me on the ground (because I had more experience striking). And when we practice stand up self defense or throws rooted in Judo, it's always a breeze me and I end up giving pointers to everyone else in class.
At this point I've had decades of experience in martial arts and that includes meeting other martial artists too right? If someone wants to be the next Rika Usami and just be a kata dynamo, I say - Go for it! If someone wants to be the next Keenan Cornelius in BJJ, I'm all for that too! But just because someone might gravitate to this martial art or that one for one reason or another... I see the benefits in them all and not all martial arts need to be practiced for self defense for someone to enjoy them. I.e., I don't hate on people taking tennis either because they're not training for self defense.
PERSONALLY, I'm more interested in self defense/protection these days as I think you are too. And tbh, If my kids were starting martial arts now AND I put them in for self defense reasons, I'd probably put them in BJJ. But I also can acknowledge there's a real chance they'd like the variety of TKA more than BJJ. And I also still really enjoy all the TKA/traditional martial arts content too. But again for me, it's all good! And I'd encourage you (whether it be the newest BJJ guard, this weird Judo throw, the odd Aikido wristlock), to try and look for the little things you can add to your game instead of outright dismissing something new or different.
A last note: TKA didn't always look like this and that's another thing I love about the organization. Over its 50 year history it has evolved from more traditional Tang Soo Do to what you see now (inclusion of a bit of Aikido, and A LOT of Japanese Jujitsu and Judo). I expect over the next 5 to 10 years that we'll see the re-introduction of all the Judo newaza (BJJish content) too which will make up TKA's latest incarnation.
Again, really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and the fun conversation! BTW, the larger guy in the video is a wrestler so I'm sure he would do just fine against multi-stiped white belts. (#);)
@@BushMackel Hey, I like you... we'd probably agree on a lot. Thank you for your thoughtful response. I just get tired of seeing videos, where its pretty obvious how many of the participants wearing Black Belts would fare in a real self defense situation against a determined opponent, either intentionally or unintentionally misleading the general public. If you train MA, it's a good idea to try different things to see what works and what doesn't, living within a single system and having delusions is not only not healthy, it can be downright dangerous. Chuck Norris, good man btw, ran into the Gracies and the Machados and learned fast...
It shows you haven't learned a thing about martial arts you need to go practice humility and get involved with a martial arts actually has a philosophy all martial arts that deserve respect these people have put in a lot of hard work and it shows
Watered down and poorly performed copy of Shotokan
Thanks for checking out the video!
The links I've posted above should suffice for your history. It's all copy, modification, and evolution. As was what Funakoshi did with his Shuri-te at the Shotokan which, unfortunately for some, and fortunately for others, such as Naka Tatsuya Sensei, the sun does not rise and set on. "There are more things in heaven and hearth, Will than are dreamt of in your philosophy. For your interest. Suggest you watch it all....th-cam.com/video/CjThv_NJM8s/w-d-xo.html
Completely agree
terrible, poor stances, made up forms, you should be ashamed for this sham
these are some of the best kata performances i have ever seen from a korean style school. they could hold their own in a good "shotokan" dojo! would like to see what they have for "bunkai" though. otherwise i commend this school for keeping it real in a world full of phonies and americanized nonsense.
What the hell are these forms?..Only one remotely looked like a Tang Soo Do form. The bassai form.
What happen to the Tang Soo Do backstances here? The front foot should only have the balls of the feet touching.
You're thinking of a cat stance. A proper back stance is 30% weight front foot, 70% weight back foot. Generally the opposite of a front stance.
@@sanseiryu I know this. Tae Kwon Do calls it a "cat stance". Tang Soo Do calls it their backstance. I have done both.