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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- J1407b, the "super saturn" or "saturn on steroids" doesn't exist. We've known it doesn't exist for years. So why do so many people still believe this exoplanet is real?
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Footage in this video taken using Space Engine
Sources:
arxiv.org/pdf/1912.03314.pdf
arxiv.org/abs/1810.05171
arxiv.org/pdf/2106.15902.pdf
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Hi a little recommendation, at the start of the video you state that the planet does not exist. This is kind of misleading to people who might have clicked off the video very quickly. Saying something such as "does not exist as is shown by pictures in other videos" gives people a more clear and better understanding. Sorry if this sounds a bit stupid but it's probably best to clarify such stuff especially in an age where the internet is filled with click bait instead of full statements giving the full idea
@@0hm3g90 Ky's content is negative scientific clickbait.
@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 you’ve commented this several times on this video alone, and on pretty much all my other videos
give it a rest man
If you have an opinion then stay with it don’t listen to the hate comments they just can’t accept the truth
Short answer is because googling j1407b doesn't give any results that it doesn't exist.
It does? Literally the first wikipedia preview from it says its a brown giant.
@@tf2scoutpunch175thats racist
@@rizkyadiyanto7922😐
@@tf2scoutpunch175 It's funny, when I google it with chrome I get "J1407b is an exoplanet with a ring system 200x bigger than the rings of Saturn.." as the wikipiedia preview.
When I search it with Brave, I get "In 2007, J1407 was observed to be eclipsed and possibly orbited by at least one major body, 1SWASP J1407b (shortened as J1407b). J1407b is thought to be either a large gas giant planet or a brown dwarf with an immense ring system. Subsequent observations have not successfully detected J1407b, suggesting that it may be on a highly eccentric orbit around the star, or that it is a rogue object that coincidentally transited V1400 Centauri."
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 what?
J1407bians copyright strike this video
Damn J1407Biggers!!!
shut up
@@mostkurdishkurd2 probably a bunch of goons who didn't even bother to have little good time in their lives by watching the video if they wanna get smarter lol
@@mostkurdishkurd2WOAAAAAHH
@@mostkurdishkurd2Woah calm down buddy we can’t use the J1407B word here
I'd say the idea of "planet with enormous rings" is what provided the initial hook to J1407b. Saturn's rings are beautiful, imagine a planet with rings many times larger than Saturn's. And the problem only grew from there
excellent "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." Churchill
A lie gets halfway around the world, starts families, and becomes intergrated into multiple societies while the truth is twitching on the ground and foaming at the mouth.
This actually makes a lot more sense than what you see when you look up “how does j1407b have such big rings.”
I think you're right, I was confused after hearing about J1407b for the first time, because a collision of moons is not enough to form such a huge ring
@@fedormaslov508its rlly dense more than jupiter when it was forming it proball took all the gas and the remaining became rings
J1407b just got the biggest nerf in history💀
not really, it's probably a fucking star
@@tygical a fucking brown dwarf*
Bro was promoted from planet to star, how was that a nerf?
@@chombus2602 Lore nerf
And people are complaining about pluto
In my opinion, the fact that j1047b is actually just a rogue brown dwarf that just so happened to pass by a star for us to see, is such an absurdly miniscule occurance for us to even see, and I will ALWAYS find that cooler than the weird science fiction belief of it having comicallly large rings.
na rings go brrr
@@extazy9944ok
but the chances of a *rogue* brown dwarf *transiting* a star are crazy low.
@@cheesenuggets. sure i just dont think its as cool
@@extazy9944 With the amount of empty space that exists between unrelated stars? I think that's pretty amazing.
@@tessabakker662 it is an event which is over quick. yeah its cool but the celestial bodies involved arent that special its just a constellation. a planet with such rings on the other hand is there much longer and also extremely rare if not impossible
"J1407B doesn't exist"
Sounds like some SCP article lmao
"It is a memetic agent implemented to make you not investigate the foundation."
The whole assurance in this whole video that it isnt a planet makes it sound like an scp
It would help if you didn't use an acronym, I have no idea what SCP means.
@rikk319 Secure Contain Protect
It's a pretty interesting Fandom but I don't really know how to explain the media itself, just a fictional agency protecting the world from seeing anomalies
I feel obligated to change my desktop wallpaper from an image of the supposed J1407b to a cool image of Jupiter.
Do it
Why not Saturn, its rings is still beautiful.
you’ll resent your desktop until you do
i disagree, fuck saturn! The only thing it has going for it is my GOAT Titan
Good call. I have a picture of Saturn saved somewhere. My collection of space pictures is huge.
Kyplanet, you should really edit the Wikipedia page related to J1407b! It's the primary way that I know about it, and usually the editors fix errors pretty quickly, so I expect it to be fairly accurate. If it's refuted, Wikipedia should be clear about the current information!
The Wikipedia article for the star even says that the planet may not even exist
@@grumpydixie1645 or may be unbound to the star, in which I think it is.
@@YnossZaperator I think so too, If the planet or brown dwarf did orbit the star I think we would've detected it's gravitational pull on it by now
@@grumpydixie1645 ORR the orbit is very elliptical
Wikipedia cannot be trusted for anything. No one should even use the website anymore
This dude has a personal vendetta against this “planet” 💀
Dude it doesn’t exist
I'm pretty sure that it's been proven to not be a planet.
@@dosomestuff1949 umm.. ackshually.. it exists... are u dumb?!
Brown Dwarf*
@@dosomestuff1949 it does exist its just not a planet
Well this certainly sucks, I had no idea there was a misinformation problem of such proportions in the scientific community.
When it comes to things that have less of an impact in the regular person's life, such as astronomy, this issue is really not much of a problem. Sure there are flat-enthusiasts and most likely always will be some small number of them, and the extreme casual "I-F*CKING-LOVE-SCIENCE" Facebook page types, but the real issue is in the scientific fields that do have a larger impact on everyday lives - like medical science.
And the larger issue isn't just misinformation, it's the insane anti-scientific-process view held by people in high and mighty positions that say you cannot have any questions about what they're telling you, and any attempt to push against that being labeled as "anti-science" when science is the process of asking questions and making observations, putting it overly simply. That is what has driven a mistrust between the average people and institutions. The misinformation online about exoplanets and AI generated nonsense about faraway systems is annoying, but not really the root of the problem of mistrust in the lab coats so to speak.
Kyle Hill has been trying to spearhead the fight against this
@@trashjash Nope, all scientific misinformation is bad, as it casts doubt on scientific authority as a whole
And your second point is pure pseudoscientific talking point. No, you cannot "push" against established science - that's the role of scientists, if something doesn't stand up against scrutiny it will be relaced by a better alternative. If you're not a scientist in a given field, listen to the consensus and don't question it - you have no right to put your ideas on the same level as established knowledge. Science is not dogma
@@OpticTeadrop people need to stop shoving their conspiracy theories in other people's faces. It's so weird they think it's okay.
@@trashjash If a famous scientist/engineer/whatever says climate change is false or that vaccines don't work and that pushing against what they said is "anti-science" due to their position then that is quite simply a fallacy.
However, that doesn't mean that you can go directly against the scientific consensus for something purely because you feel like it, asking questions due to your ignorance on the subject and thinking you are doing "real science" by doing so is what makes people become anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and a bunch of other conspiracy groups.
I'm just saying this due to the fact that someone acting like the previous paragraph described can quite easily end up believing themselves to be doing "science" with such things, your comment maybe even reassuring them.
If j1407b doesnt exist then im afraid i cannot continue living
Easy. It's cool. The universe is vast, horrifying and fascinating. It's fun to think about something so completely bizarre and nonsensical but still theoretically possible. Even if it's not scientific, it's still fun to imagine concepts like J1407b. I don'k really believe it exists, in fact I was always doubtful. But even I can appreciate how it would have fit into the strange beauty of our universe.
So it is actually a brown dwarf with rings that will eventually form planets.
How is that not way cooler than before?
i think that's really cool
Alright boys hes a real science youtube channel now, hes posted the sources.
Amazing that he did that rather than just ripping them off like so many channels
It exists
In our hearts...
or our dreams and imaginations.
6:47 The Nasa communication issue part reminded be that if you search for
Uranus and go to pictures, one of the first images is Neptune because that's the main image for the article.
"uanus"💀💀💀
@@michaelchance6125 that wasn't the only typo :)
I just woke up and I gotta pee...
likely story
I believe you
Same
It's 11:02pm here, good night y'all!
Our host beat you to it, he peed all over fake channels and lazy content-creators
The king hath returned
He is not a king but a complete hypocrite, as most of his own videos are based on speculation.
@@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164how does that make him a hypocrite? he's giving his own scientific view on the subject matter.
@user-nk5tc9rq5t that guy has been commenting on every single one of my videos saying stuff like that lol
he’s just a troll, ignore him
@@user-nk5tc9rq5t It is pure opinion, not scientific fact.
@@Kyplanet893 cant you just block him from commenting
Occam’s razor.
1: “J1407b is not a planet, and its rings are a protoplanetary disk. We were wrong.”
2: “ERM ITS ACTUALLY A PLANET WITH RINGS OUTSIDE OF THE ROCHE LIMIT AND OUR THEORY SURROUNDING THE ROCHE LIMIT IS FLAWED AND WE WERE ACTUALLY RIGHT BUT ITS STILL A GAS GIANT WITH RINGS EVEN THOUGH NOTHING WE HAVE PROVES THAT AND AND AND-“
Can I animate this
Imagine if a planet with comically large ring actually existed and we just dont know it yet and it isnt j1407e
J1407B*
The universe is huge, and the space even more so, so it's not unlikely imo
@@ninjakiwigames5418you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist, but that’s not even peanuts to space.
@@lyokianhitchhiker Distance is relative, as written in the Quran, the length of the Eye of God is not the length of the Eye of Man
@@SaladofStones wrong reference
I've been spreading the truth about J1407b for about 2 years in the Russian side of the internet, and I hope I've made a little difference. I'm still doing it, thank you for your video!
I don't exist.
I don’t exist.
I don't exist.
Neither do I
I don’t exist.
So do I.
8:30 I appreciate the "in case you are just listening" as someone who listens to alot of videos in the background
On the topic of disproven exoplanets
I recommend you make a video on Kepler 70b and c, since some believe theyre some of the hottest exoplanets known, while the data used to explain their existence could instead be caused by stellar activity
HD100546b had a yt short recently where it was all flashy and said 752x the mass of Jupiter.. all the comments pointed out how this would be a star. Its interesting you revive this conversation on exoplanet misinformation now and will be on the lookout
Of course, I also had a doubt that such exoplanet having 752 Jovian masses exist, because the upper limit of a brown dwarf is about 75 or 80 Jovian masses...
it's 8.5x jupiter mass
@Quaoar2002MS4.Enceladus HD 100546 b doesn’t have a defined mass
@@Kyplanet893 I know, its mass is from its size, which isn't accurate. But I'm still using that mass, since it's the only mass they got
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Have you considered making a video on the minor planets of the solar system? Its a very intresting topic
You are a really good space informator so far
That's a good call. All of the spherical objects that don't quite qualify for planet status would be an interesting subject to explore. An upload exploring Ceres,Pluto,Charon and Eris among others would definitely be a fascinating watch.
@@Jamie_Wulfyr and not only those! Even the smaller objects hold really interesting details
@@T11235 Definitely! I think that the objects that don't have enough mass to become spherical would be worth devoting a separate episode to so as to fully do them justice. There's so much going on in the Asteroid Belt and the Kuiper Belt. An in depth look at some of these smaller objects would definitely be something I'd be interested in watching. Good shout mate.
Why does this conversation
in the replies feel AI generated?
@@Random_Nobody_Official 🤖- Dunno bruv.
your channel deserves far more attention than what is given...
Huh, that video on the front page at 9:01 looks a bit similar to another video I’ve seen before. What was the name of the person who first made it? It was like Kyplanet or something…
Yup, these guys are literally stealing content.
I like this channel because it gives facts about planets and doesn’t just say that a planet is habitable because it’s earth sized and in the habitable zone.
In the end, the only thing bigger than J1407b's rings was the myth about it
I'm glad videos like this exist, I was here on the very first video and saw everything go down and I can only imagine how hard it must've been to handle the amount of misinformation and people misinterpreting the video in the comments. As someone majoring in Astrophysics I see so much clickbait about exoplanets and interstellar objects and it sucks. Thank you dude ur a rlly great channel I look forward to what you'll do
Also imo a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk transiting a star is a rlly cool event (and incredibly rare) and is so much cooler than a planet with big rings
While I'm a little bit bummed about J1407b not being a gas giant with humongous, marvelous rings, it's equally cool, if not cooler, that it may be a dwarf star with a proto-planetary disk passing between a distant star and us.
The chances of this happening in time for us to witness are minuscule and it gives me a deeper appreciation for the size, scale and workings of the universe.
You may not have millions of subscribers, but you're content is still far better than any of these other channels
insane video. great work man!!! cant stress enough how important your work is
I haven't known this even since it was unconfirmed... Now i know!
This is a very informative video, and your channel is very underrated!
It's great that you talk about all the misinformation, for the greater good of the public, and sharing the truth.
You're not afraid to speak about controversial topics, and thats great!
just found your channel, what a gold mine.
for real bro
awesome video! it can feel like an uphill battle combating misinformation, so i appreciate the work you’ve done here
I sleep so peacefully knowing I’m one of the people who knows this planet doesn’t exist
Thank you for this. I also despise AI generated trash, but I can't seem to make people realize they're being fed nonsense while incentivizing those channels to produce more disinformation.
Great video!
There is a LOT of what I call “Fake astronomy TH-cam” out there that perpetuate that kind of stuff. Thank you for debunking it too. Stuff like this is only good for actual astronomy.
I mean a Rogue Planet/ Brown Dwarf with a proto-planetary disc is effectively a "Super Saturn", just in a more extreme sense
Another most excellent video!
TH-cam needs more science communicators with your dedication to the facts.
Basically J1407B is having an Identity crisis, thinking that it doesn’t exist and thinking that it exists, this is a lot of trouble for J1407B
Nice seeing SEA get mentioned here. I love these videos man keep it up!
the only way i wouldve known about j1407b being a brown dwarf is from you. you definitely did make a difference, even if you dont see it.
i absolutely cannot believe that people call google a source of information. it’s like taking a book that you did research on and putting it into a backpack, then when asked where you got the research from you say that it came from your backpack.
I am glad I've found you! Keep speaking up man
i appreciate all the content you make and how you bring attention to information outside of what pop science puts out
crazy how searching online shows nothing about it being fake
Did you not watch the video? He literally explains exactly why you don’t find anything online. Because people exaggerate and perpetuate false information to captivate each other.
@@williamsutton6738the evidence its a dwarf star would be nice
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V1400_Centauri@@IDoABitOfTrollin
Its not really evidence evidence, but it says j1407b might be a brown dwarf
@@williamsutton6738 brother, even NASA isnt claiming it to be fake or real, its all a hypothesis
as a humongous space nerd, I am very happy someone is finally covering how this planet is very different than what most people think it is
It being a rogue brown dwarf makes it really cool, even cooler than what we thought
Kids in the comments will rage when they see Big J reclassified as a brownie
I would like to see a video about more planets that people think are real but arent
Man, you're telling me the vinyl disc planet isn't real? Bummer. I was looking forward to hooking up a record player to it and playing the heaviest metal of the universe.
so you are telling me that it was just a boring brown dwarf?
Many people in the comments call this a lie, misinformation, or a myth. It was never any of those. It was simply a hypothesis that'd fit the initial observation. When a second observation of a transit was not seen, that changed the hypothesis.
Science doesn't always give the truth, and sometimes just what we may know of that'd cause the observation.
The persistence of the previous hypothesis is a different problem.
J1407b got Pluto treatment
quite the contrary, it got promoted to star
Imagine some alien youtuber saying earth doesnt exist
Alien conspiracy theories are already forming about voyager 1, one vocal minority is saying that the government is trying to start a war by making up a fake species that launched a probe
Sol-19c actually just a smudge on the camera! The whole of Sol-19 is fake! Sol-19a through Sol-19h are not real!
-Alien's wearing tinfoil hats
NASA has updated this, when you look up “Planet with largest rings in universe” Saturn shows up.
but when you search “j1407b” it’s still there and nasa still calls it a super saturn with rings
that’s probably because you searched planet instead of exoplanet
oh, i apologise.
Love the videos man. Also, you should totally do a video on the HD 110067 system!
This video could have been 3 minutes long if you didn't say J1407b's full name, every single ring.
he said J1407b 43 times
aprox 4 times a minute
meaning on average once every 15 seconds
why did you calculate this
@@randomtexanguy9563 idk just noticed
Great video. I can agree with a lot of things about news-websites, people on the internet and sometimes creators spreading misinformation (some by mistake).
I am a wikipedia editor from time to time. I mainly do update outdated astronomy-related articles and sometimes create articles about objects that did not make the news, but that I still find interesting.
I hope that helps to reduce some of the misinformation.
This video needs to go viral!
great video! what made me really notice how prevalent this theatrics is was how we kept getting people in the SE community joining and then learning that J1407b is not gravitationally bound to J1407
A very informative video!! Thank you!
I will never financially and emotionally recover from this loss, my life has been ruined.
In their defense a planet with a huge ring system sounds super cool
It was only sometime this year when I heard this planet doesn't exist through another space channel.
But I had no idea it was disproven years ago and how deep this issue runs
Even if a brown dwarf, I don't understand how that works for scientist to think they were rings. It could be a different object.
i certainly have noticed a change, when i see those clickbaity space videos and people mention j1407b there's always someone in the replies telling the original commenter that it's not a planet
I kinda called it
I mean, what kind of a planet has rings so wide comoared to its size? That tiny planet relative to ring size must be some dense objects to have such a string gravity to have wide ringa
When humanity first saw j1407b it was possibly allready a brown dwarf and the rings were actually a gas disc that were forming planets
I'm really sad to hear NASA doesn't maintain their sites. That alone is the worst part of this to me. The rest of this wouldn't seem nearly as legitimate if it weren't for that.
Your videos are really good background noise when im eating
Kyplanet is standing on business !!
You tell em my guy
the ring boi doesnt exist :(
The rogue brown dwarf boi with protoplanetary disk most likely does though
You're describing any and all echo chambers.
Funny how easy it is for us to get trapped in one.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined, at least I know the truth now
because we're human, we cannot help it
Oh no. The channels you listed.. I'm already following three of them, and now I hear about more?!
it’s basically impossible to have a planet have ring almost as long as 1 AU unless it’s mass is absolutely so massive that the roche limit extends farther than 50x the planet’s size which is practically impossible
Why do we even bother looking at red stars? Shouldnt we be focusing on orange stars and yellow stars like ours? I think we should do that and then find actual plausible candidates for habitable worlds
Red stars are like the default, mfs are littered everywhere its hard not to look at them.
@@ejosjek52.87 yea but if theyre always going to have dead worlds why even bother looking at them if we want to find worlds like earth? Orange stars are way better.
This certainly was a bummer to realize. However, I won’t give up hope that there is a planet like this somewhere out there, maybe not as comical, but still huge
I would hazard a guess that the Google front page description citing "from sources across the web" (shown at 4:46) is the most prominent culprit in keeping the disinformation-wagon rolling in regard to J1407b. BBC's "Sky At Night" Magazine either needs to take that misleading article down, or they need to update it with modern information. Honestly, with how often that Google front page/first result "from sources across the web" section seems to relay completely bogus information... they need to just scrap that idea entirely. If nobody is going to be fact-checking it and Google is just going to let it mislead and/or deceive people who are genuinely curious and searching for factual information, it's only going to do more harm than good.
A ring that big somehow was believable to me
I can't say I didn't think J1407 doesn't exist, but I never really believed it did exist either. The rings just seemed impossibly large, so I guess the thought went dormant
so, it does exist, it was just classified incorrectly.
The J1407B nation will not recover from this
You and the History For Granite Egyptology dude would get along well.
youtube getting ready to recommend me a video from a youtube ive literally never even heard of or seen before to tell me someone i thought i know is actually not real
A solid foundation against misinformation, especially in science is truthfull and neutral education. An educational reform is needed to enable every child no matter from where they come from (poor, wealthy, etc..) to have high quality education. For later years organisations like NASA need to be invested in, maybe a bit too political but I think the US budget should rather favour space-travel, education, science related stuff as the military and R&D for it. Alos, NASA and every other organisation should have a clean and always up-to-date database and website so small issues do not correlate into bigger ones. Like the mentioned cycle of misinformation by Google using NASA's false entries as a source.
Also, knowledge in form of books and papers should be free and accessible to the public. R.I.P. there to Aaron one of the founders of Reddit, who hacked the MIT to publish scientific journals, books, etc. to the public. He was a hero.
wow what a great list of creators! absolutely agree.
My disappointment is substantial, and my day is completely blown.
Can you talk about Planet 9?
Still pretty neat. Brown dwarfs are such interesting objects