@@Vikrum_ It is if you think about it. BC is Before Christ - And because it mentions Christ people didn't want to offend non-christians by saying it, this was the reason why it was discontinued.
@@Vikrum_ universalising because of non-Christian push back. " Religious neutrality was the main rationale behind Jewish academics’ adoption of BCE/CE over a century ago, and continues to be its most widely cited justification. " www.druide.com/en/reports/bc-and-ad-bce-and-ce-whats-difference
@@Vikrum_ No, it's taking the credit away from the Christian priests who came up with the Gregorian Calendar. Also, "Anno Domini" sounds a lot cooler than "common era" :P
buddies op! I'm 18 right now and when I used to hate history lessons in my secondary school but I absolutely love this podcast!! the storytelling skills of KV n Biswa are just epic. I wish our teachers taught us history this way and not by reading the plain text in textbooks
South India had trade relations with Rome, through Arikamedu (Pondicherry) which currently holds remnants of a port area and trade related structures (warehouse + mission complex) Records and maps available suggest that that under these ruins, are buried artefacts; It is about an hour away from White Town area.
Also there are surviving documents called the Muziris Papyrus which show contracts of merchants from Roman Egypt who traded in the port of Muziris (near Kodungallur, Kerala) and several Indian ports are described in the Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, a Roman manual for merchants trading in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Even the Indus Valley Civilization traded with Mesopotamian states. Its crazy that people were traveling and exchanging with others 1000s of miles away well over 2000 years ago.
Fun Fact : Some of the artefacts of the Harappan Civilisation such as their tokens were also found in some areas of the mesopotamian civilisation and thus it is concluded that either there were some trade relations between these two civilisations or the Harappan (Or the indus valley civilisation) was aan extension of the Mesopotamian civilisation.😱🤐
Buddy this is soo good! I was working and listening. This is such a treat for history lovers. Loved this..! I still play Age of empire, Rise of nation type of games as I love history so much. Keep recording these session.
The reason we do not remember this civilization could also be because they didn't build any big monuments and stuff. They were just chill people who liked to enjoy their life.
Loved the episode! Just some feedback on the audio aspect: there seemed to be a high disparity (both in volume and clarity) between yours and KV's audio input. I constantly had to increase and decrease the volume while you and KV switched roles while speaking. I don't mind doing so, but it'd be great if this disparity was nullified. I'm sure other viewers would appreciate it if they came across a similar issue. Again, thanks for the podcasts and hope to see more of these :)
It is a curious thing that we assume that society is ever improving. This is a great reminder that any progress (technological or cultural) survives till we hold on to it.
One important fact I'd like to add is , there was no trace of horses found since a long time.. but some years ago or a decade ago horse bones were found in near SURKOTADA
Yeah I saw this documentary about Sinnauli. It says we had horses but with different breed the modern horses might indeed have come from Arab but we had a different specie with different number of rib cage bone and few other differences. And those were great weight carrier and not for riding so they were generally used in pairs for chariot. So great. And this might even debunk Aryan migration theory
@@vaibhavyadav9912 Are you talking about AIT or AMT ? Because those 2 are different. Which is removed by UGC ? AIT is the debunked one but AMT is still lurking around (I'm not arguing for either though).
@@_sayan_roy_ I was referring to AIT. Yeah now it's the migration that's being propounded, but that too will not stand for long. All genealogical and archaeological evidences are against it.
Great to see this podcast back on TH-cam. There were some audio issues, specially with Biswa's mike. Hope those will be fixed by the next podcast. Good work!
Great Biswa .you are actually doing something which is really useful for younger folks. You are educating them in the guise of entertainment and Iam amazed beyond words.you are a great human with a very insightful social responsibility .I wish that you reach heights in your endeavours.
I enjoy listening to this duo trying to unfold different aspects of evolution and history. Biswa & KV, Please keep doing more episodes on wide range of topics frequently. Thankyou.
Was listening this on Spotify and want to give KV a advice:- if he wants to visit Lothal civilization, I recommend going to dholavira too as it quiet new very well preserved than lothal and you get an great perspective about how the drainage system was there and also they had dam built in dholavira at that era.. so recommend going there as well (you can go with friends too as it is near to runn of kutuch).
Amazing episode 😎 really enjoyed it. Can't believe it that a guy wearing a SPIDERMAN t-shirt discussed this so humbly and more passionately than the best schools in this country. But please can it be reuploaded with better sound clarity? 😭
Great video this was.......some knowledge is kind of outdated, no issues. There many ways to update the knowledge. There are many Indian researchers are working on Ancient Indian history etc. These researchers also have thier own podcasts, eg. Abhijit Chavda, Sathology, Sangam talks etc. There are many more. It a rich ocean of knowledge considering our history. Which fills my heart with pride. Great work guys....please continue doing these kind of talks
For biswa's question regarding contact with other civilizations :The mesopotamians knew about the harappans very well.excavations in Iraq have yielded harappan seals.the harappans in lothal also sailed( in reasonably sized boats) to Oman and Persian coasts via the Arabian sea near gujarat.
Certain aspects of Harappan civilization have likely persisted into present times, signalling continuity in our culture. A few examples: - Peepul tree worship: many seals show the Peepul leaves alongside deities - Yoga: seals from Harappan times show deities in yogic postures that we can still recognise today - Cuisine: they incorporated a lot of familiar items in their diet including coriander, garlic, turmeric, ginger, cumin, cinnamon and sesame oil - Jewelry: Many contemporary jewelry items may have their origins from Harappan times like bangles, tilak, chains, etc Apart from this, it is well established that all major pre-historic civilizations of the time had very good trade networks. Harappans were likely know to the Sumerian civilization as "Meluhha".
What a great podcast loved every episode and the best thing is u always r so modest thet we are just curious and not experts and actually that's the best thing about this podcast that people like me with zero knowledge can also find it interesting please be regular and just try to make audio quality better
In the Later excavations in Pompeii (ITALY) ,Many utensils ,Toys and many other things From India(Basically from Harrappa ) was been discovered...This showed the close relation India had back then with other countries(civilizations) and how developed it was..
Regarding Biswa's comment about the link being broken amongst the generations, it was probably due to mass migration caused by the change in the course of erstwhile Saraswati, now the dried up river beds of Ghagra-Hakkar. Other climatic changes also contributed to this mass migration. Source - "The Lost River" by Michel Danino
Saying that its discontinuous is half-right half wrong statement. yes, it may be considered one in terms of recorded history but it is larger theme of Human civilization. We made a breakthrough as we learn to record and transfer our learnings cumulatively to next generations. Why it doesn't exist in recorded history: maybe just not deciphered yet, invasions resulting in end of culture, etc. Culturally, other than written scripts, there are multiple continuities as in Tribhanga posture figurines, worship of male and female genitalia, same symbols have been observed in South India, lost wax technique, worship of mother goddess etc. FYI: I am a student of anthropology. Love you both. Try to use term 'Researcher' and not 'scientist'. This is a pseudo science and people in this field consider science to be inherently biased.
i think this was a well established fact that Mesopotamian seals were found in harrapa and vica versa, signifying trade relations b/w two civilizations
The whole thing Biswa said about one person generations later breaking the link might not be true as they say the Indus civilisation was destroyed completely..no survivors
Rig veda describes the river sarasvati in full flow and vedas also describe a government chosen by the people which almost proves that vedic period and indus valley (sarasvati civilization) coexisted or were the same. Only point which confuses me is the lack of similarity between sanskrit and Harappan script
This is one of the best series I came across. Unfortunate to see that their youtube views are decreasing with every part. Nobody wants to watch intellectual content lol.
Awesome content , would it not be better if both of you record this from a better camera , and then edit in accordance with the zoom conversation. The quality will be so much better . Zoom recordings are good but not great.
IVC had traced in Mesopotamia. Because Mesopotamian seals were found in IVC (Lothal) and IVC seals were found in the Mesopotamian civilization. The script they used was Boustrophedon. (Left to right, then right to left.) They, then, travelled towards the East and settled in the Ganga Plains, where later the Vedic civilization flourished.
Biswa is that one kid in exams who says that he has not studied anything still shows knowledge everytime, KV is the kid who will revise and clear all your doubts 2 mins before exam
Biswa bhai I have heard there is a book named indus Saraswat civilization book which has lot of information... Also a Discovery web series named SECRETS OF SINAULI
Fun Fact : Most scholars nowadays use B.C.E = Before Common Era and C.E = Common Era instead of BC & AD to avoid the religious connotation.
Political correctness has gone too far
@@Vikrum_ It is if you think about it. BC is Before Christ - And because it mentions Christ people didn't want to offend non-christians by saying it, this was the reason why it was discontinued.
@@Vikrum_ universalising because of non-Christian push back.
"
Religious neutrality was the main rationale behind Jewish academics’ adoption of BCE/CE over a century ago, and continues to be its most widely cited justification.
"
www.druide.com/en/reports/bc-and-ad-bce-and-ce-whats-difference
@@Vikrum_ No, it's taking the credit away from the Christian priests who came up with the Gregorian Calendar. Also, "Anno Domini" sounds a lot cooler than "common era" :P
@@MrSaviour of course. It should absolutely be BCE not BC. We don't need to say "god" when in science
KV is really such a soft spoken and very interesting person!
incredibly funny as well
Good video but when is next one coming?
2022
Already declared. July mein aa raha hai. Saal matt puchna
Nobody knows, nobody knowwssss 😂😂
Good question but when is next one coming?
@Vaibhav I know what you did there.🤣🤣🤣
buddies op! I'm 18 right now and when I used to hate history lessons in my secondary school but I absolutely love this podcast!! the storytelling skills of KV n Biswa are just epic. I wish our teachers taught us history this way and not by reading the plain text in textbooks
arre, so nice of you guys to remember that you used to do this.
Old Bricks in Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro cities are still being stolen and smuggled by locals to use in constructions in nearby villages.
Damn they made bricks that lasts for years .
Why is that soooooo funny💀
Get better mics, listening on earphones is getting tough. So many peaks! Rip earphone users Xo
Yeah...Biswa's sound is so low, and Buddy is too loud.
Exactly... Biswa wasnt audible clearly
Yeah 😶
@@studywithshubhamsemwal set krle us hisaabse, mereko pta nhi lgra
@@studywithshubhamsemwal "Buddy is too loud" LOL
South India had trade relations with Rome, through Arikamedu (Pondicherry) which currently holds remnants of a port area and trade related structures (warehouse + mission complex) Records and maps available suggest that that under these ruins, are buried artefacts; It is about an hour away from White Town area.
which state or city ?
@@parthtool They literally said Pondicherry
Also there are surviving documents called the Muziris Papyrus which show contracts of merchants from Roman Egypt who traded in the port of Muziris (near Kodungallur, Kerala) and several Indian ports are described in the Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, a Roman manual for merchants trading in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Even the Indus Valley Civilization traded with Mesopotamian states. Its crazy that people were traveling and exchanging with others 1000s of miles away well over 2000 years ago.
Fun Fact : Some of the artefacts of the Harappan Civilisation such as their tokens were also found in some areas of the mesopotamian civilisation and thus it is concluded that either there were some trade relations between these two civilisations or the Harappan (Or the indus valley civilisation) was aan extension of the Mesopotamian civilisation.😱🤐
Buddy this is soo good! I was working and listening. This is such a treat for history lovers. Loved this..!
I still play Age of empire, Rise of nation type of games as I love history so much. Keep recording these session.
You play age of empire multiplayer??
Also the definitive edition for the aoe games has come out and age of empires 4 is coming out in october
AoE2 player here. It feels good to see that others play it too.
At 26.42 Biswas question. There were Harappan seals that were found in other civilizations as a mark of trading between these civilizations.
Mesopotamian civilization was very much connected to Indus valley civilization
infact they were connected to egypt, oman, Turkmenia ,Bahrin and that region specifically
12 ncert I see
The reason we do not remember this civilization could also be because they didn't build any big monuments and stuff.
They were just chill people who liked to enjoy their life.
Oh. After such a long wait! So good to see all of this. Keep up the good work Biswa and KV 👏🏻
Loved the episode! Just some feedback on the audio aspect: there seemed to be a high disparity (both in volume and clarity) between yours and KV's audio input. I constantly had to increase and decrease the volume while you and KV switched roles while speaking. I don't mind doing so, but it'd be great if this disparity was nullified. I'm sure other viewers would appreciate it if they came across a similar issue. Again, thanks for the podcasts and hope to see more of these :)
Finally .. Thanks Biswa and Amplifier Varun!!! Love you guys... Naya episode Jazurat...
Thank you. Would love to hear a podcast on History based Conspiracy Theories in general.
After a long time thank God this podcast is back
Normal people: Set up a premiere to tease
Biswa: Upload and then make private and then upload again
I legit thought they weren’t gonna make more of these anymore, so happy to see it back
2past2curious would be way better if it would be live so that chat also adds facts that hosts dont
It is a curious thing that we assume that society is ever improving. This is a great reminder that any progress (technological or cultural) survives till we hold on to it.
One important fact I'd like to add is , there was no trace of horses found since a long time.. but some years ago or a decade ago horse bones were found in near SURKOTADA
Yeah I saw this documentary about Sinnauli. It says we had horses but with different breed the modern horses might indeed have come from Arab but we had a different specie with different number of rib cage bone and few other differences. And those were great weight carrier and not for riding so they were generally used in pairs for chariot. So great. And this might even debunk Aryan migration theory
@@adityakhalatkar4200 it's already debunked. Removed by UGC from history.
@@adityakhalatkar4200 yes...i think the horses were from the Arab traders...
@@vaibhavyadav9912 Are you talking about AIT or AMT ? Because those 2 are different. Which is removed by UGC ? AIT is the debunked one but AMT is still lurking around (I'm not arguing for either though).
@@_sayan_roy_ I was referring to AIT. Yeah now it's the migration that's being propounded, but that too will not stand for long. All genealogical and archaeological evidences are against it.
Great to see this podcast back on TH-cam. There were some audio issues, specially with Biswa's mike. Hope those will be fixed by the next podcast. Good work!
Abhijit Chavdas videos are killing it about our Indian History
I love how both of them keep calling each other "buddy"! Cute!!
There is a volume difference in both the speakers.
Very informative and interesting podcasts. Will be waiting for next episodes.
Wish I had this podcast when my teacher was teaching me about Indus valley
thank you for resuming this podcast. please keep this a regular feature.
I love this podcast. You guys just make things more interesting ,still without any drama or bias.. I love it please waiting for next
Finally!! Thankyou Biswa and KV
Thank you for coming back..... Please be regular
Thank you so much for continuing this podcast !! I really enjoy these
Great Biswa .you are actually doing something which is really useful for younger folks. You are educating them in the guise of entertainment and Iam amazed beyond words.you are a great human with a very insightful social responsibility .I wish that you reach heights in your endeavours.
This podcast deserves a Spotify exclusive ❤️
I enjoy listening to this duo trying to unfold different aspects of evolution and history. Biswa & KV, Please keep doing more episodes on wide range of topics frequently. Thankyou.
Was listening this on Spotify and want to give KV a advice:-
if he wants to visit Lothal civilization, I recommend going to dholavira too as it quiet new very well preserved than lothal and you get an great perspective about how the drainage system was there and also they had dam built in dholavira at that era..
so recommend going there as well (you can go with friends too as it is near to runn of kutuch).
Brilliant, KV and Biswa. Love this podcast series
Would love to see more of such great and pure content.. great work both of u all.. Biswas being my all time favourite artist..
So glad you guys decided to revive this series 😍
Prof. B. B. Lal's work on this is extensive and interesting
Was waiting for this to come ❤️❤️
I really hope you continue doing this because I love it so much!
Varun: abc xyz
Biswa: Crazy!! 😂😂😂
Amazing episode 😎 really enjoyed it.
Can't believe it that a guy wearing a SPIDERMAN t-shirt discussed this so humbly and more passionately than the best schools in this country.
But please can it be reuploaded with better sound clarity? 😭
Noooo wayy! Soooo happy to see the podcast return
Thank you for this. Waiting for soooo long
Finally the new episode is here, I was going to ask KV in comment on latest kvizzing video for details on new episode! You guys rock!!!
What is the process for becoming KV’s friend?
Same
Yeah
Clubhouse, might be
Become a Liverpool fan 😀
Same
Oh my god!! have been waiting on a new episode for soo long. Much love guys!!
Finally the episode is out..thank you
Great video this was.......some knowledge is kind of outdated, no issues. There many ways to update the knowledge. There are many Indian researchers are working on Ancient Indian history etc. These researchers also have thier own podcasts, eg. Abhijit Chavda, Sathology, Sangam talks etc. There are many more. It a rich ocean of knowledge considering our history. Which fills my heart with pride. Great work guys....please continue doing these kind of talks
Yayy glad you guys are back!
Topic of discussion great
Both of you great
Please upgrade the audio guys
Really love your podcast.
Please keep doing it.
Finally! Must awaited!!
Bhai thanks for bringing this back..
Best duo for informative stuffs... thanks for doing this. 🤍
I don't if you'll read my comment but this podcast was amazing....
Really enjoyed it, watched it through the week in parts...
yo yoo yo, thank god they didnt left this incomplete
FINALLY!!!!!!! It took ages for you to come back!
For biswa's question regarding contact with other civilizations :The mesopotamians knew about the harappans very well.excavations in Iraq have yielded harappan seals.the harappans in lothal also sailed( in reasonably sized boats) to Oman and Persian coasts via the Arabian sea near gujarat.
Great episode guys. Cou you guys try to improve the sound in the next one please?
Finally you guys did it.
Plzz do this regularly plzzplzzplzzplz🙏
Better Than My History Teacher
I've been waiting for it since ages now!❤️
Finally
This was eagerly awaited!! My day is sorted ❤️
Thanks for putting up this long awaited episode of interesting podcast! Loved the talk as always Biswa & KV ❤️😊
The best podcast in this lockdown. Please do more videos
Please continue with this series really good stuff
Love this series!
I was about to start reading a book on the Indus Valley Civilization, I guess this will do for now
1 year, 6 episodes. You are really testing our patience 😁
Biswa sir can you please invite abhijit chavda for a podcast on any of the history topic.... That guy is a goldmine of knowledge
Certain aspects of Harappan civilization have likely persisted into present times, signalling continuity in our culture. A few examples:
- Peepul tree worship: many seals show the Peepul leaves alongside deities
- Yoga: seals from Harappan times show deities in yogic postures that we can still recognise today
- Cuisine: they incorporated a lot of familiar items in their diet including coriander, garlic, turmeric, ginger, cumin, cinnamon and sesame oil
- Jewelry: Many contemporary jewelry items may have their origins from Harappan times like bangles, tilak, chains, etc
Apart from this, it is well established that all major pre-historic civilizations of the time had very good trade networks. Harappans were likely know to the Sumerian civilization as "Meluhha".
Avijit Chavda said in some podcast that at the same time, there were other civilizations at other river banks like the Ganga.
damn this is something new
What a great podcast loved every episode and the best thing is u always r so modest thet we are just curious and not experts and actually that's the best thing about this podcast that people like me with zero knowledge can also find it interesting please be regular and just try to make audio quality better
This is such a great conversation!! But it was ruined by the audio quality.
KV Please try getting Mr. Abhijeet Chavda for the 2 past 2 curious podcast. That will make for an amazing episode.
Great video! Can you do a podcast on Indian epics (from a historical perspective)?
Bahut dino baad episode aya ...😀 too glad
In the Later excavations in Pompeii (ITALY) ,Many utensils ,Toys and many other things From India(Basically from Harrappa ) was been discovered...This showed the close relation India had back then with other countries(civilizations) and how developed it was..
One thing for sure that Indus Valley Civilization was open to everyone for trade. Pompeii itself has huge history, I've always been fascinated.
Regarding Biswa's comment about the link being broken amongst the generations, it was probably due to mass migration caused by the change in the course of erstwhile Saraswati, now the dried up river beds of Ghagra-Hakkar. Other climatic changes also contributed to this mass migration.
Source - "The Lost River" by Michel Danino
Saying that its discontinuous is half-right half wrong statement. yes, it may be considered one in terms of recorded history but it is larger theme of Human civilization. We made a breakthrough as we learn to record and transfer our learnings cumulatively to next generations. Why it doesn't exist in recorded history: maybe just not deciphered yet, invasions resulting in end of culture, etc.
Culturally, other than written scripts, there are multiple continuities as in Tribhanga posture figurines, worship of male and female genitalia, same symbols have been observed in South India, lost wax technique, worship of mother goddess etc.
FYI: I am a student of anthropology. Love you both. Try to use term 'Researcher' and not 'scientist'. This is a pseudo science and people in this field consider science to be inherently biased.
i think this was a well established fact that Mesopotamian seals were found in harrapa and vica versa, signifying trade relations b/w two civilizations
Also trade in lapis lazuli and other bead based industry
The whole thing Biswa said about one person generations later breaking the link might not be true as they say the Indus civilisation was destroyed completely..no survivors
But that’s debatable
@@arunabhhazarika9716 yeah totally.. That's why I said might... The history is so old that only interpretations remain
Biggest fan of both of you. Love you both
My wife's ancestors were from harrpa civilization ropar Punjab. I call her my "harrapan" 😂
Glad it's not 'harampan'😂
Jk
how do you even know that
@@ctynwbraygalm because he is jokerioan
I'm from Ropar. 😁
Rig veda describes the river sarasvati in full flow and vedas also describe a government chosen by the people which almost proves that vedic period and indus valley (sarasvati civilization) coexisted or were the same.
Only point which confuses me is the lack of similarity between sanskrit and Harappan script
Pls bring this podcast back :(
Bhai naya episode le aao please
Love this podcast!
This is one of the best series I came across. Unfortunate to see that their youtube views are decreasing with every part. Nobody wants to watch intellectual content lol.
Awesome content , would it not be better if both of you record this from a better camera , and then edit in accordance with the zoom conversation. The quality will be so much better . Zoom recordings are good but not great.
They used to take us for school picnics to Lothal. I did not understand the significance then. I don't remember much. I would like to revisit though.
IVC had traced in Mesopotamia. Because Mesopotamian seals were found in IVC (Lothal) and IVC seals were found in the Mesopotamian civilization.
The script they used was Boustrophedon.
(Left to right, then right to left.)
They, then, travelled towards the East and settled in the Ganga Plains, where later the Vedic civilization flourished.
Man this should be a live session so that it can be so interactive
Biswa is that one kid in exams who says that he has not studied anything still shows knowledge everytime, KV is the kid who will revise and clear all your doubts 2 mins before exam
Biswa it would be great if you could arrange a expert regarding the topic and have more of a interactive session with him.
Biswa bhai I have heard there is a book named indus Saraswat civilization book which has lot of information... Also a Discovery web series named SECRETS OF SINAULI
What a beautiful session. Loved it. ❤️❤️