ImEarly here, thanks for the feature. Yes I have in fact gone mad. Decided since ImLate needed to grind the Mogami and was suffering, I decided to show him the true definition of suffering. Ended up with an excess amount of adrenaline.
In fairness, while the HMS Tiger's AA suite is a grand total of 6 76mm guns in three double mounts, these are post-WW2 fully automatic, radar-guided 76mm guns firing HE-VT shells at 70 RPM per barrel. And four dual-purpose 6" guns slinging HE-VT as well at between 15 and 20 rounds per minute is nothing to sneeze at either. Or, well. it *shouldn't* be anything to sneeze at. Not that wargaming, y'know, bothers to model AA accurately at all or anything. Or else the Tiger(and the worcester, des moines, salem, etc) would be no-fly zones on account of being absolutely bristling with fully automatic 3" and 6" guns firing HE-VT. But we couldn't have that, could we? I mean look at 4:33. As the Tiger fires at the incoming aircraft, it looks like its firing with a flurry of light autocannon fire. Despite the HMS Tiger literally not having any light AA. Where are those machinegun tracers even coming from, wargaming? Are the crew coming up from below deck with their .50 cals and vickers guns and manning the railings?
honestly, AA feels so RNG for me, that it's not even worth focusing on, as far as which ship I take out to enjoy. I've had friends who've played CVs and constantly complain about getting their planes wrecked before doing anything and I've had games where I've seen a CV still get off 2 attacks while flying in the middle of 5 AA bubbles. ...hell I still remember one of the first Random battle games, right after the CV rework, where I was in a Tirpitz, never alone. and got killed in 3 waves by an enemy Kaga. doing fuck all in terms of damage.
I was pounding on a CV late in a match yesterday and noted the same. I'm landing HE on the flight deck and planes are taking off. Given splash damage, how is this not affecting planes?
Sorry Jingles. The tiger class were built on derivatives of the Fiji hulls that had construction stopped at war end about 60% complete. And then retrofitted with the new turrets and rebuilt to accomodate new technology. They should have been in service early/mid 50s but funding issues and delays with getting the turrets workable meant they entered service about 10 years late.
And the Minotaur class would have been built on derivates of Fiji hulls that had construction stopped at war end. So like I said - originally supposed to be Minotaurs.
@@The_MightyJingles Thanks. I had a brainfart moment and forgot that original subclass name was in fact Minotaur. D'Oh 🤣🤦♂️ Thanks for being gracious.
This isnt how you internet lads. Supposed to never be gracious and only be high and mighty. Disappointed, guess I will take my MJ eating popcorn meme elsewhere.
I saw the push notification and was tricked by it thinking that it would be a Gneisenau replay. Well done Jingles, I'll head back down into the Salt Mines again.
@@AndrewLale It's because ze Germans tricked him into pronouncing it with a silent G. So not only was he forced to admit it wasn't terrible, not only was he tricked into saying Gneisenau wrong for a few videos... he had to admit that German humor does actually exist.
@@benjaminsmith3364How the homing torps track the subs not matter their depth. They can be avoided only with damage control but the cooldown bears damage control.
I think the air defence nonsense comes from the fact that its AA guns were fully automatic 3-incher mounts, and they were actually very good IRL if a bit unreliable, and the 6-inch guns on the Tiger were fully dual purpose and were capable AA guns when they worked.
tbf WeeGee's definition of "air defense cruiser" seems to be "gives you slightly bigger damage numbers against planes that will still strike you anyways".
@@able_archer01 I always thought of it more as 'yup, this will give you *fabulous* defence against the air. The planes in that air, not so much' kinda deal....
The issue is that air defence was seen as in the late 40's to early 1980's as a case of 'your fucked but here's some weapons to make you think you have a chance'. Air defence really was a case of relying on either being far enough from enemy land based aircraft or you carrier and land based aircraft protecting you rather than defending yourself.
Actually Jingles, the Irperanga has the British 152mm (5.9 inch) or 6 inch guns. The tier 9 and 10 get the 234mm secondary guns. Although, Iperangas 152s get insanely higher Penetration (38mm) then the 152s on ships like St Vincent and Nelson that only has 26mms of Penetration.
The Tiger-class weren't built on Minotaur hulls. Or at least, not the Minotaur we know in World of Warships. That's where it gets confusing. There are 3 different cruiser classes that all had "Minotaur" as the lead ship. There was the Minotaur class of 1906 (3 armoured cruisers), the Minotaur class of 1943 (a modified Fiji design with the X turret removed and significantly more AA armament), and the Minotaur class of 1947 (the tier 10 CL we all know and love, but which was cancelled because of the end of WW2). Why did they reuse the name Minotaur so soon? Because the 1943 Minotaur was given to Canada while still under construction and renamed HMCS Ontario (and arrived in the Pacific too late to see any fighting). So the name had been freed up, so the Royal Navy decided to use it again. HMS Swiftsure became the new lead ship of the 1943 Minotaur class. While the 1947 Minotaur class was cancelled before any construction work began, there were 5 ships of the Swiftsure/1943 Minotaur class still under construction at the end of WW2. 2 of them were still on the slipways and were simply cancelled and scrapped. But the other 3 had already been launched, and (after more than decade of trying to decide what to do with them) were completed as the Tiger class. Because while the 1947 Minotaur was never built, some turrets intended for her *were* built, and you could fit two of those turrets onto a Swiftsure/Tiger hull. (Honestly I'm pretty sure that if the budget and political will had been there, you could've fit 3 of the Minotaur turrets onto a Tiger hull.)
I really don't know what the Admiralty was doing with their counting at the time. The Mk26 six inch was supposed to be backfitted to Switfsure and good ole Belfast. Studies showed that they could carry three of them without excessive topweight. But there was no place to put the 3"in twin mounts- both cruisers had been built with 4in DPs mounts that had no deck penetration and so there were things like galleys and crew accommodations under them. Which meant for a much larger reconstruction of the hull, OR put the 3" guns in B and X positions and just have two 3in and two 6in. But this was vetoed for two little armament and also somehow acquiring more 3"50cal guns from the USN like already on HMS Victorious was also vetoed. So no updates for those two cruisers, which went against "the Plan" to provide one cruiser as 'goalkeeper' for each of the 5 remaining RN CVs. But then after cancelling Swiftsure and Belfasts updates for leaving too few guns- they built the Lion, Tiger, and Blake with just two 6in mounts each anyway. Their only advantage was, since their superstructure was incomplete, they found room for one more 3" 70 than the older cruisers would have had.
I feel your pain Jingles! When i was aboard the USS Carl Vinson we had a shipmate who had transferred off the Ranger when she completed her final deployment. Ranger this, Ranger that the whole Westpac lol.
As a wise WoWs TH-camr once said, this ship has 0 torpedoes, 4 guns, 25 mm of armor, and 30 knots of speed, which equals 59 reasons why you should just get the Atago instead.
Not only did he get 2.9k base XP on that win, but he got that much while all but three of his teammates scored over 1000 base XP. He wasn't carrying. Of course, that's probably why he survived to score so high and get a kraken in a Tiger '59... the enemy team had their hands full, to the point where a Tiger '59 never seemed like a priority threat, and they couldn't afford to bully him for laughs.
I have only been able to deplane a CV once. It was in t8 ranked, I was in the t8 dutch cruiser, the De 7 Provincien. It was me and a DD left against the enemy CV. I basically sailed right up to him, I didnt shoot him, I let the DD cap, and I just sat there and shot down planes. The CV player was livid. i got something like 140 planes shot down. Eventually the CV tried to ram me and I just shot him to death. It was sooo much fun.
Watching him charge into the enemy spawn, in a Tiger 59 alone, reminds of that scene in Band of Brothers where Capt. Speirs charges through the enemy lines, and they're too dumbfounded to react.
HMS Tiger, HMS Lion, and of course the other large predatory cat in the world, the HMS... um.... Blake. Can't say I've ever seen a Blake in the wild though. Or pictures of one in a book. But I'll bet it's really powerful and one excellent predator that is only topped by the Tiger and Lion. Yes. That must be it. Or "Blake" is the code name for a head of lettuce that outlasted Liz Truss. So. Helicopter cruisers. Where are the... ? Oh right. Anyway. Has anyone else noticed that the bots in Co-op have been turning like Formula 1 cars on a track? I mean I approve of improving the bots' capabilities and all - for a more interesting challenge - but honestly watching a Wisconsin out turn my Fubuki?? Come on!
Actually Jingles. The Ipiranga does not get the 9.1 inch secondaries. The older T8 premium dockyard ship - Atlantico has the 9.1 inch secondaries, along with the T9 and T10 Pan Am BB's. Ipiranga has to make do with 6 inch secondaries. I have her on TWO separate accounts. Played a tonne of games on both accounts and have both on 199k XP ready for when the line comes out of early access.
The Tiger 59 is tier 8, meaning it can presumably be fighting ships such as the French Tier IX battleships, and an Iowa. Both are battleships with very large guns that can run this thing down because it's so slow.
Looks like this player (CFCUK)ImEarly in the Tiger59' just climbed Mount Everest without Oxygen... While starring in a reproduction of Alfred Hickok's movie ''The Birds'' Impressive... So many birds...
Even dealing with the after effects of a hurricane and without power since last Thursday. Jingles brings a smile to my face. "They're like vegans..." Thanks for the morale boost. You old salt.
That was a hell of a ride! Well done! Would be a great meme - bit similar to the TOG in WoT - if people jinxed it and started doing rather well in Hms.Tiger.
My dad served on the tiger through the 70s to early 80s! He was a medic in one of the tiger's helicopters! The ship would've been even worse in that configuration lol, since they chopped the rear turret off in order to fit a big boxy hanger like structure on the back. I wanted to follow in his footsteps but it turns out i am 16 different flavours of colourblind and broken, so my medical report read more like a casualty report and now I'm a paramedic in civvie street instead :P
Speaking of cruisers, there is a new German cruiser that just got released into the game. It is called the Hildebrand, and it is based on the O-Class cruisers. However, it is a hybrid cruiser as it can use two squadrons. One is a 3-plane torpedo squadron, and the other is a HE dive bomber squadron with 6 planes.
7:30 - 7:40 That looks almost exactly like my replays. Only that i die about 3 seconds later when i am this panicked and have the entire enemy team shooting at me.
I was in the RAN for 10 years and served on the river class destroys or destroyer escorts as they were known , Brit design. DE 48 and 49 HMAS Stuart and Derwent , we had one turret which had the old hand loaded 4.5 inch Gun lol and a Seacat Missile system on the arse end, no helo.
Best Tiger '59 game I've seen! Congrats! I must say it is even more remarkable taking into account how bad 1/2 his team was! He carried this (with a couple good team mates) in spite of being in the Tiger '59! :) That W Virginia should take up cargo ships.
Nice work juking most of those torpedos and airstrikes, It is manuverable but not fast enough to run from trouble, so he stayed in the fight and made it work.
We do get to keep it, but there is a strong possibilty that WG will nerf the line as they appear a bit OP, especially the T10 (plus the special Captain from the "battle mosaic"), from what I've been told. I don't have the T9 & T10 as I have better things to do with the money than line WG pockets and I will get them eventually when they become standard tech tree ships.
WP ImEarly. I never had a Tiger 59 in my port. So I can't give it a rank position. However, my rankings for WoWS worst premium ships are: 1)Gorizia - Italian special premium Tier VII cruiser, 2)Krasny Krym - Soviet special premium Tier V cruiser, 3)Collingwood - British special premium Tier VII battleship, 4)Leone - Italian special premium Tier VI destroyer, 5)Viribus Unitis - European special premium Tier V battleship. I suspect that WG will give the Tiger '59 ship out in the next Christmas give away.
What did most ship officers think about maneuvrability ? I want ALL OF IT ! Which says a bit of why the french large anti-torpedoboats destroyers were 'bad' - not maneuvrable enough to hold station on a battleship or battle-cruiser and being even worse than them !
17:00 Most likely, the Harekaze player forgot that Tiger '59 has radar. As soon as ImEarly got detected, he popped his radar. Tiger '59 has 9.2km surface detection and 9km radar range.
Luckily for the Tiger, the Independence is a type of aircraft carrier that does not get secondary guns. If it had those, the Tiger wouldn't have survived...
I haven't checked, but doesn't the Ipiranga have 15" main guns and 6" secondaries? It's tier 9 that you get the 234mm turrets. Also, something I've noticed recently is that british short fuse AP is incredible at knocking out secondary turrets. Even in this video with the Tiger's pathetic DPM, the few shels he lands on the Ipiranga secondary turrets knocks them out in one hit. I think it might be too good against secondaries on the proper light cruisers like the minotaur. In 30s of shooting at Schlieffens or Preussens, I often knock out 6+ turrets in my Minotaur.
If in any other carrier, the CV would have won. On the Independence the rockets and divebombers are unlimited consumables, which is why he lobbed torp bombers constantly as they are the only planes that cycle.
The mainz here.. i remember this round to be particular painful.. The tiiger sat broadside the whole game and BBs completely failed to achieve anything... and ofcourse i only got overpens/ short landing shells on the tiger when i reall should have deleted it o.o
@@wierdalien1 In context of the statement actually made, it could be so much worse than his sense of caution or overall sensibility. That said, an amazing result with crap equipment...
If any ship in the game needs a buff the HMS Tiger is it. Faster reload, hydro and better AA just to start or just drop it a couple of tiers. I couldn't imagine being in that thing in a T10 battle, it doesn't even have torps.
He played really well. I can guarantee that if I had been in the same situation in my Atago, I probably would have died when facing the multiple BBs and CVs.
Sometimes I'll break out the Tiger just to see if I can have a god game. I had one game with 18 citadels..... with most of those on a broadside Moskva. Yes, I was sunk shortly thereafter. 🙂
Walked passed HMS Tiger on my way to joining HMS Norfolk in 1976 and was thinking look at those massive guns, foolishness of youth LOL love the content
Ha ha I knew this was the Tiger even before opening the vid. I play this ship fairly often just to check and yeah it’s bad a lot of the time…rapid fire support only.
The last time we all saw an AA Expert award was that USS Missouri replay 8 or so months back. To get that award with possibly the worst ship in the game, you need to be absolutely mental. Of course, it does help when Wargaming's matchmaking system works it out for you.
Reminds me of one time I did really well in the Eendracht and someone messaged me after the game congratulating me on doing so well in such a bad ship.
Sailing headlong into a crossfire in the middle of the map means instant deletion when I do it. And this guy gets a Kraken. Sure, that's fine, makes sense.
That was an incredible sailing for just about anybody much less the Tiger 59. And he is not a witch since we would not use witchcraft to cheat on a game.
I played it yesterday and got 119k damage and top of team (4th in xp on the other team too). Doesn't make it good. Its guns are way too floaty and slow firing to justify the lack of HE and it's a floating citadel without torps. The utility is good, but nothing else. It can't deal damage quickly, can't farm and DDs have to mess up badly for you to be able to actually kill them with the low DPM and floaty arcs. If you do catch a DD close, most can out dpm you in the citadel, or you only get the miniscule dpm of 1 turret that can be knocked out. It's also slow and only has a 9km radar. About all it's good for is area denial to DDs in support of your team and capping in the absence of DDs and enemy radars.
The Krasny Krym? Oh god I remember that. You're actually sort of correct on both counts with the tier - it's the Russian tech tree tier 4 with some tiny upgrades and up-tiered to 5.
@jingles Only tiger and Blake were converted I don't think lion was completed pretty sure it wasn't commissioned My sister was dating an engineer on Blake and went round her during one of the last Chatham navy days and got a cap tally which my sisters next boyfriend a royal engineer found the cap tally and cut it up out of spite thinking it was my sisters Both tiger and Blake were as in the game for first half of their life before getting the hanger space on the stern They actually tried them operating the harrier
@@-triumphgt667thanks wasn't sure and my janes is missing Lion never got to helicopter cruiser though And all 3 were built az full bloodied cruisers Blake and tiger were refit much later But then this is jingles
To watch Mighty Jingles talk about how bad this ship is, and then get an epic result such as this just gives me the giggles. Yes its a terrible ship, but even terrible ships can have a good outcome.
When he clearly, didn't give himself enough of a handicap, for his next trick, send him in a custom battle, in a t6 ship, any of his choice, against t9s. Maybe then, the other players would stand a chance. :D Such a comprehensive schooling...
ImEarly here, thanks for the feature. Yes I have in fact gone mad. Decided since ImLate needed to grind the Mogami and was suffering, I decided to show him the true definition of suffering. Ended up with an excess amount of adrenaline.
I'd imagine ImOntime only plays normal ships?
Tell ImLate they need to _only_ play the worst boats from now on, otherwise there'll be no enemies for any of the rest of us!
Great job,man!!!!
I was just going with "lost a bet" 🤣
@@gman092803 Obviously,in the end you won!!!! lol
I had the worst experience of my life this morning. I left the Tiger 59 on the front seat of my car and some bastard broke in and left two more 😡
I see them with "Free to Good Home" signs.
A bunch of them.
All over the place.
Sounds like zuchinni harvest
@@ut000bs You can pay the council £25 and they'll come collect bulky items. But they may refuse for a Tiger 59.
🤣🤣🤣
I genuinely started laughing hard!
😂😂😂😂 good one ☝️
- "Let's name them HMS Tiger, HMS Lion and....hmm I drawing a blank."
- "Admiral, what about Blake?"
- "Yes! That makes perfect sense!"
Reminds me of a certain other Blake. She does fit the "cat" category.
In fairness, while the HMS Tiger's AA suite is a grand total of 6 76mm guns in three double mounts, these are post-WW2 fully automatic, radar-guided 76mm guns firing HE-VT shells at 70 RPM per barrel. And four dual-purpose 6" guns slinging HE-VT as well at between 15 and 20 rounds per minute is nothing to sneeze at either. Or, well. it *shouldn't* be anything to sneeze at.
Not that wargaming, y'know, bothers to model AA accurately at all or anything. Or else the Tiger(and the worcester, des moines, salem, etc) would be no-fly zones on account of being absolutely bristling with fully automatic 3" and 6" guns firing HE-VT. But we couldn't have that, could we?
I mean look at 4:33. As the Tiger fires at the incoming aircraft, it looks like its firing with a flurry of light autocannon fire. Despite the HMS Tiger literally not having any light AA. Where are those machinegun tracers even coming from, wargaming? Are the crew coming up from below deck with their .50 cals and vickers guns and manning the railings?
@robdog1245that brings back fond memories of the days before the carrier rework and the Atlanta…
honestly, AA feels so RNG for me, that it's not even worth focusing on, as far as which ship I take out to enjoy. I've had friends who've played CVs and constantly complain about getting their planes wrecked before doing anything and I've had games where I've seen a CV still get off 2 attacks while flying in the middle of 5 AA bubbles.
...hell I still remember one of the first Random battle games, right after the CV rework, where I was in a Tirpitz, never alone. and got killed in 3 waves by an enemy Kaga. doing fuck all in terms of damage.
Too bad it’s AA is only worth a damn if you’re playing it in War Thunder 😂
Those pilots still taking off while shells are ramming the flight deck
That's gung-ho, right there.
Or the perennial post-rework "take off through flames raging on the deck."
Brave, brave pixels.
I was pounding on a CV late in a match yesterday and noted the same. I'm landing HE on the flight deck and planes are taking off. Given splash damage, how is this not affecting planes?
Can't put a 'good' CV down. It would be unfair for the CV drivers if they couldn't launch aircraft while their ship is being disassembled around them.
Sorry Jingles. The tiger class were built on derivatives of the Fiji hulls that had construction stopped at war end about 60% complete. And then retrofitted with the new turrets and rebuilt to accomodate new technology. They should have been in service early/mid 50s but funding issues and delays with getting the turrets workable meant they entered service about 10 years late.
And the Minotaur class would have been built on derivates of Fiji hulls that had construction stopped at war end. So like I said - originally supposed to be Minotaurs.
@@The_MightyJingles I see what you did there :). Thanks for the video as always
To be fair that does mean I was wrong about the in-game Minotaur ;)
@@The_MightyJingles Thanks. I had a brainfart moment and forgot that original subclass name was in fact Minotaur. D'Oh 🤣🤦♂️
Thanks for being gracious.
This isnt how you internet lads. Supposed to never be gracious and only be high and mighty. Disappointed, guess I will take my MJ eating popcorn meme elsewhere.
"Burn her!" "Burn the witch!" "How do you know she's a witch?" (now you have Sir Bedevere's voice in your head - you're welcome)
"Well she turned me into a newt!"
"A newt?"
....
"I got better..."
Does she weigh as much as a duck?
I saw the push notification and was tricked by it thinking that it would be a Gneisenau replay. Well done Jingles, I'll head back down into the Salt Mines again.
Me too. He has a special grudge against the Gneisenau.
@@AndrewLale It's because ze Germans tricked him into pronouncing it with a silent G. So not only was he forced to admit it wasn't terrible, not only was he tricked into saying Gneisenau wrong for a few videos... he had to admit that German humor does actually exist.
It’s a very good ship, actually!
It’s the guns that are bloody awful.
1:23 Helicopters? FFS Jingles, don't give WG new ideas !!!
I mean as another anti-sub option it wouldn't be bad and would make more sense than the aircraft drops.
Nah submarine carriers are next.
Remote sub detection and ASW? Drop the consumable, detect subs for 30 secs in a AoE, if sub is detected, airdrop 2 homing torps?
@@benjaminsmith3364How the homing torps track the subs not matter their depth. They can be avoided only with damage control but the cooldown bears damage control.
I think the air defence nonsense comes from the fact that its AA guns were fully automatic 3-incher mounts, and they were actually very good IRL if a bit unreliable, and the 6-inch guns on the Tiger were fully dual purpose and were capable AA guns when they worked.
tbf WeeGee's definition of "air defense cruiser" seems to be "gives you slightly bigger damage numbers against planes that will still strike you anyways".
@@able_archer01 I always thought of it more as 'yup, this will give you *fabulous* defence against the air. The planes in that air, not so much' kinda deal....
The issue is that air defence was seen as in the late 40's to early 1980's as a case of 'your fucked but here's some weapons to make you think you have a chance'.
Air defence really was a case of relying on either being far enough from enemy land based aircraft or you carrier and land based aircraft protecting you rather than defending yourself.
@@smiddlehurst1 You can shoot _Every_ hurricane there is. The weather phenomenon, that is, not the british fighter.
Not really? Till the 70s maybe, but by the Tico and Slava you have easily half if not more of the ships weapons load dedicated to SAM systems.
My dad served on the HMS Tiger - the 1960s refit version, as Radar operator.
Those were some mighty fine torpedo beats in there. Beautiful work.
16:54 Nobody expects the Tiger 59’ Inquisition! :3
This was a genuine edge of my seat game, lol. That was some proper scary cqc with the CV.
Actually Jingles, the Irperanga has the British 152mm (5.9 inch) or 6 inch guns. The tier 9 and 10 get the 234mm secondary guns.
Although, Iperangas 152s get insanely higher Penetration (38mm) then the 152s on ships like St Vincent and Nelson that only has 26mms of Penetration.
The Tiger-class weren't built on Minotaur hulls. Or at least, not the Minotaur we know in World of Warships. That's where it gets confusing. There are 3 different cruiser classes that all had "Minotaur" as the lead ship. There was the Minotaur class of 1906 (3 armoured cruisers), the Minotaur class of 1943 (a modified Fiji design with the X turret removed and significantly more AA armament), and the Minotaur class of 1947 (the tier 10 CL we all know and love, but which was cancelled because of the end of WW2). Why did they reuse the name Minotaur so soon? Because the 1943 Minotaur was given to Canada while still under construction and renamed HMCS Ontario (and arrived in the Pacific too late to see any fighting). So the name had been freed up, so the Royal Navy decided to use it again. HMS Swiftsure became the new lead ship of the 1943 Minotaur class.
While the 1947 Minotaur class was cancelled before any construction work began, there were 5 ships of the Swiftsure/1943 Minotaur class still under construction at the end of WW2. 2 of them were still on the slipways and were simply cancelled and scrapped. But the other 3 had already been launched, and (after more than decade of trying to decide what to do with them) were completed as the Tiger class. Because while the 1947 Minotaur was never built, some turrets intended for her *were* built, and you could fit two of those turrets onto a Swiftsure/Tiger hull. (Honestly I'm pretty sure that if the budget and political will had been there, you could've fit 3 of the Minotaur turrets onto a Tiger hull.)
I really don't know what the Admiralty was doing with their counting at the time. The Mk26 six inch was supposed to be backfitted to Switfsure and good ole Belfast. Studies showed that they could carry three of them without excessive topweight. But there was no place to put the 3"in twin mounts- both cruisers had been built with 4in DPs mounts that had no deck penetration and so there were things like galleys and crew accommodations under them. Which meant for a much larger reconstruction of the hull, OR put the 3" guns in B and X positions and just have two 3in and two 6in. But this was vetoed for two little armament and also somehow acquiring more 3"50cal guns from the USN like already on HMS Victorious was also vetoed. So no updates for those two cruisers, which went against "the Plan" to provide one cruiser as 'goalkeeper' for each of the 5 remaining RN CVs.
But then after cancelling Swiftsure and Belfasts updates for leaving too few guns- they built the Lion, Tiger, and Blake with just two 6in mounts each anyway. Their only advantage was, since their superstructure was incomplete, they found room for one more 3" 70 than the older cruisers would have had.
I feel your pain Jingles! When i was aboard the USS Carl Vinson we had a shipmate who had transferred off the Ranger when she completed her final deployment. Ranger this, Ranger that the whole Westpac lol.
As a wise WoWs TH-camr once said, this ship has 0 torpedoes, 4 guns, 25 mm of armor, and 30 knots of speed, which equals 59 reasons why you should just get the Atago instead.
So, does HMS Tiger weigh more than a duck?
Burn him! Oh wait, they tried...
Who are you who’s so wise in the ways of science?
He turned me into a newt!
@@mikehodges6598 I got better...
Build a bridge out of him!
Not only did he get 2.9k base XP on that win, but he got that much while all but three of his teammates scored over 1000 base XP. He wasn't carrying. Of course, that's probably why he survived to score so high and get a kraken in a Tiger '59... the enemy team had their hands full, to the point where a Tiger '59 never seemed like a priority threat, and they couldn't afford to bully him for laughs.
I have only been able to deplane a CV once. It was in t8 ranked, I was in the t8 dutch cruiser, the De 7 Provincien. It was me and a DD left against the enemy CV. I basically sailed right up to him, I didnt shoot him, I let the DD cap, and I just sat there and shot down planes. The CV player was livid. i got something like 140 planes shot down. Eventually the CV tried to ram me and I just shot him to death. It was sooo much fun.
Watching him charge into the enemy spawn, in a Tiger 59 alone, reminds of that scene in Band of Brothers where Capt. Speirs charges through the enemy lines, and they're too dumbfounded to react.
HMS Tiger, HMS Lion, and of course the other large predatory cat in the world, the HMS... um.... Blake. Can't say I've ever seen a Blake in the wild though. Or pictures of one in a book. But I'll bet it's really powerful and one excellent predator that is only topped by the Tiger and Lion. Yes. That must be it. Or "Blake" is the code name for a head of lettuce that outlasted Liz Truss.
So. Helicopter cruisers. Where are the... ? Oh right. Anyway. Has anyone else noticed that the bots in Co-op have been turning like Formula 1 cars on a track? I mean I approve of improving the bots' capabilities and all - for a more interesting challenge - but honestly watching a Wisconsin out turn my Fubuki?? Come on!
morning, time for a fresh coffee, I guess.
have a good one, all
Actually Jingles. The Ipiranga does not get the 9.1 inch secondaries. The older T8 premium dockyard ship - Atlantico has the 9.1 inch secondaries, along with the T9 and T10 Pan Am BB's. Ipiranga has to make do with 6 inch secondaries.
I have her on TWO separate accounts. Played a tonne of games on both accounts and have both on 199k XP ready for when the line comes out of early access.
beat me to it.
I was waiting for someone to point this out to Jingles. Again.
The Tiger 59 is tier 8, meaning it can presumably be fighting ships such as the French Tier IX battleships, and an Iowa. Both are battleships with very large guns that can run this thing down because it's so slow.
"You'll know about it because they'll tell you."
That was the Enterprise (CVN-65) for the US Navy. Something about shared trauma.
My late father served briefly on HMS Blake in late 78/ early 79. Didnt say mych about the ship though!
Looks like this player (CFCUK)ImEarly in the Tiger59' just climbed Mount Everest without Oxygen...
While starring in a reproduction of Alfred Hickok's movie ''The Birds'' Impressive...
So many birds...
Even dealing with the after effects of a hurricane and without power since last Thursday. Jingles brings a smile to my face. "They're like vegans..."
Thanks for the morale boost. You old salt.
That was a hell of a ride! Well done! Would be a great meme - bit similar to the TOG in WoT - if people jinxed it and started doing rather well in Hms.Tiger.
Contrary to Los Andes and Libertad, Ipiranga only has 6' secondaries (152mm) as well as lower caliber (127 mm If I'm not mistaken)
My dad served on the tiger through the 70s to early 80s! He was a medic in one of the tiger's helicopters! The ship would've been even worse in that configuration lol, since they chopped the rear turret off in order to fit a big boxy hanger like structure on the back.
I wanted to follow in his footsteps but it turns out i am 16 different flavours of colourblind and broken, so my medical report read more like a casualty report and now I'm a paramedic in civvie street instead :P
Speaking of cruisers, there is a new German cruiser that just got released into the game. It is called the Hildebrand, and it is based on the O-Class cruisers. However, it is a hybrid cruiser as it can use two squadrons. One is a 3-plane torpedo squadron, and the other is a HE dive bomber squadron with 6 planes.
"The Harukaze kinda forgot about the Tiger." Reminds of Games of Thrones.
7:30 - 7:40
That looks almost exactly like my replays. Only that i die about 3 seconds later when i am this panicked and have the entire enemy team shooting at me.
I was in the RAN for 10 years and served on the river class destroys or destroyer escorts as they were known , Brit design. DE 48 and 49 HMAS Stuart and Derwent , we had one turret which had the old hand loaded 4.5 inch Gun lol and a Seacat Missile system on the arse end, no helo.
So what I'm hearing is the Coms Yeoman on HMS Brazen was Jingles's ship's version of Phoebe from the Magic Schoolbus.
I remember seeing Tiger and Blake up the trots in Pompey in the 80’s, really strange looking ships with a big ugly box near the blunt end
Best Tiger '59 game I've seen! Congrats! I must say it is even more remarkable taking into account how bad 1/2 his team was! He carried this (with a couple good team mates) in spite of being in the Tiger '59! :) That W Virginia should take up cargo ships.
tbh that dance around 5mins deserved some music.
Your personal story is the icing on the cake for this video!
The graphics on Boosteroid for World of Tanks are simply breathtaking.
Nice work juking most of those torpedos and airstrikes, It is manuverable but not fast enough to run from trouble, so he stayed in the fight and made it work.
My Father had the misfortune to serve on both the Tiger AND the Blake....talk about good luck lol
Anybody notice the name of his division mate? "ImLate." So the enemy team had to choose to shoot at "imEarly" or "ImLate". Love it!
His AA guns did more damage than his actual guns.
😂
In the army, it was " in my day we had the SLR " as the starting line for a dit 😂
Jingles do we get to keep the IPIRANGA after it gets out of early access because I really like it and it looks like the hood a little bit
We do get to keep it, but there is a strong possibilty that WG will nerf the line as they appear a bit OP, especially the T10 (plus the special Captain from the "battle mosaic"), from what I've been told. I don't have the T9 & T10 as I have better things to do with the money than line WG pockets and I will get them eventually when they become standard tech tree ships.
They should give Tiger the Seacat launchers it gained during it's conversion, I'm also surprised that anti ship missile aircraft are not in the game
WP ImEarly. I never had a Tiger 59 in my port. So I can't give it a rank position. However, my rankings for WoWS worst premium ships are: 1)Gorizia - Italian special premium Tier VII cruiser, 2)Krasny Krym - Soviet special premium Tier V cruiser, 3)Collingwood - British special premium Tier VII battleship, 4)Leone - Italian special premium Tier VI destroyer, 5)Viribus Unitis - European special premium Tier V battleship. I suspect that WG will give the Tiger '59 ship out in the next Christmas give away.
What did most ship officers think about maneuvrability ?
I want ALL OF IT !
Which says a bit of why the french large anti-torpedoboats destroyers were 'bad' - not maneuvrable enough to hold station on a battleship or battle-cruiser and being even worse than them !
Thank you 😊
I would love to see a Tiger 59 review just to hear Jingles do a history lesson!❤
17:00 Most likely, the Harekaze player forgot that Tiger '59 has radar. As soon as ImEarly got detected, he popped his radar. Tiger '59 has 9.2km surface detection and 9km radar range.
Luckily for the Tiger, the Independence is a type of aircraft carrier that does not get secondary guns. If it had those, the Tiger wouldn't have survived...
I haven't checked, but doesn't the Ipiranga have 15" main guns and 6" secondaries? It's tier 9 that you get the 234mm turrets.
Also, something I've noticed recently is that british short fuse AP is incredible at knocking out secondary turrets. Even in this video with the Tiger's pathetic DPM, the few shels he lands on the Ipiranga secondary turrets knocks them out in one hit. I think it might be too good against secondaries on the proper light cruisers like the minotaur. In 30s of shooting at Schlieffens or Preussens, I often knock out 6+ turrets in my Minotaur.
6:47 Babe wake up new jingles lore just dropped
Those fingers in my hair
That sly come hither stare
That strips my conscience bare
It's witchcraft
If in any other carrier, the CV would have won. On the Independence the rockets and divebombers are unlimited consumables, which is why he lobbed torp bombers constantly as they are the only planes that cycle.
The mainz here.. i remember this round to be particular painful.. The tiiger sat broadside the whole game and BBs completely failed to achieve anything... and ofcourse i only got overpens/ short landing shells on the tiger when i reall should have deleted it o.o
The Ipiranga does not have 234mm secondaries. Only standard 127mm and 152mm.
I had a Tier X game the other day that the enemy team had 3 "CV's". A CV, a Delaware, and a Kearsage, and of course 2 subs....lol.
He seems to be on the same team I get stuck on every match. They all go to one cap and stay there till 900 enemy points.
I'm Early, I'm Late.
Fun division
this is im early, my wife says that to me sometime... just not quite the same tone... or words
That you aren't sensible or cautious?
@@wierdalien1 In context of the statement actually made, it could be so much worse than his sense of caution or overall sensibility. That said, an amazing result with crap equipment...
If any ship in the game needs a buff the HMS Tiger is it. Faster reload, hydro and better AA just to start or just drop it a couple of tiers. I couldn't imagine being in that thing in a T10 battle, it doesn't even have torps.
I believe that My Uncle served on HMS Tiger in the 60's, Sadly I have no more info on this.
Woke my housemate up laughing when you mentioned having to remove one of the only 2 gun turrets to fit the helicopter deck
He played really well. I can guarantee that if I had been in the same situation in my Atago, I probably would have died when facing the multiple BBs and CVs.
Hi Jingles, please feature the Daniel Russev Yoshino game, it was a very fun game that would benefit from your commentary, please.
It was a hard sale, but you’ve sold me on getting them Tiger 59 Jingles. As a light cruiser main, this looks like my jam.
Would rather have the London than the Tiger '59. At least the London has 8x8in guns, HE shells and torpedoes! 🙂
Sometimes I'll break out the Tiger just to see if I can have a god game. I had one game with 18 citadels..... with most of those on a broadside Moskva. Yes, I was sunk shortly thereafter. 🙂
Ummm Jingles: HMS Brazen September 11, 1994 Patagonian Canal ... Did you do a 'Jingles landing'???
I see that Pink Floyd reference at the end there, Jingles ;)
Walked passed HMS Tiger on my way to joining HMS Norfolk in 1976 and was thinking look at those massive guns, foolishness of youth LOL love the content
Impressive, now lets see a Hipper replay.
Ha ha I knew this was the Tiger even before opening the vid. I play this ship fairly often just to check and yeah it’s bad a lot of the time…rapid fire support only.
that "Freezing" bug doesn't happen only in replays, it happens me every now and then during the game.
Boosteroid's zero lag experience makes World of Tanks even more enjoyable.
The last time we all saw an AA Expert award was that USS Missouri replay 8 or so months back. To get that award with possibly the worst ship in the game, you need to be absolutely mental. Of course, it does help when Wargaming's matchmaking system works it out for you.
Reminds me of one time I did really well in the Eendracht and someone messaged me after the game congratulating me on doing so well in such a bad ship.
I think if they added 10km torps and buffed the reload, this could be a decent ship with that consumable loadout.
What they could do with this ship is give it a spotter plane (Helicopter) consumable that lasts the length of the game...
Sailing headlong into a crossfire in the middle of the map means instant deletion when I do it. And this guy gets a Kraken. Sure, that's fine, makes sense.
Well, you might not be able to polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter
That was an incredible sailing for just about anybody much less the Tiger 59. And he is not a witch since we would not use witchcraft to cheat on a game.
i saw Flambass playing this ship recently, and he got well over 100,000 damage, and finished first in the team as well
I played it yesterday and got 119k damage and top of team (4th in xp on the other team too). Doesn't make it good.
Its guns are way too floaty and slow firing to justify the lack of HE and it's a floating citadel without torps. The utility is good, but nothing else. It can't deal damage quickly, can't farm and DDs have to mess up badly for you to be able to actually kill them with the low DPM and floaty arcs. If you do catch a DD close, most can out dpm you in the citadel, or you only get the miniscule dpm of 1 turret that can be knocked out. It's also slow and only has a 9km radar.
About all it's good for is area denial to DDs in support of your team and capping in the absence of DDs and enemy radars.
There was one Russian cruiser release years ago. I think it was like Tier IV or V. Was awful. Had small DD caliber guns. Miss those days.
The Krasny Krym? Oh god I remember that. You're actually sort of correct on both counts with the tier - it's the Russian tech tree tier 4 with some tiny upgrades and up-tiered to 5.
This ship was unilaterally nerfed with the huge commander skill buff and rework... It cannot take advantage of all those DD caliber gun improvements
@@Toodleypopsyeah, used to be alright before commander rework. Now it's pretty useless unless top tier.
@jingles Only tiger and Blake were converted I don't think lion was completed pretty sure it wasn't commissioned
My sister was dating an engineer on Blake and went round her during one of the last Chatham navy days and got a cap tally which my sisters next boyfriend a royal engineer found the cap tally and cut it up out of spite thinking it was my sisters
Both tiger and Blake were as in the game for first half of their life before getting the hanger space on the stern
They actually tried them operating the harrier
It was commissioned but lasted only 5 years and then was used as a spare parts ship for the other two - which no doubt was needed!
@@-triumphgt667thanks wasn't sure and my janes is missing
Lion never got to helicopter cruiser though
And all 3 were built az full bloodied cruisers
Blake and tiger were refit much later
But then this is jingles
Great vid Jingles. You're a joy.
I wish you would tell us more about your naval experiences, Jingles.
To watch Mighty Jingles talk about how bad this ship is, and then get an epic result such as this just gives me the giggles. Yes its a terrible ship, but even terrible ships can have a good outcome.
When he clearly, didn't give himself enough of a handicap, for his next trick, send him in a custom battle, in a t6 ship, any of his choice, against t9s. Maybe then, the other players would stand a chance. :D Such a comprehensive schooling...
Good morning Gnome Overlord. All the best.
I dunno... The Itchy-Coochy (Ishizuchi) is/was pretty rough to play. Still though, what this guy did with the Tiger is nothing short of phenomenal.
i love how his divmate was named "ImLate"
A kraken including running a carrier and an Iparangua within secondary reach.... Tiger 59 might need some nerfing there :)
Please let one of the bugs be missing gun sound and Jingles has to do them himself. (WoT video reference)
I used to have a plastic model of this ship. Matchbox, 1/700th scale. PURPLE plastic, Jingles... PURPLE. It was the suckiest plastic model too....