World of Warships - Cat and Mouse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Ah yes, the eternal game of cat and mouse between destroyers and their prey - submarines. Except it's supposed to be the destroyer that's the cat in this situation.
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Yes the flickering is the video not your screen.
I just came through the comment section looking for this
@@alien_marksmanI’m doing the same thing. 😂
Oh good, had me worried :)
thank you kind sir!
Wipes forehead! Whew, and here I thought it was my eyes! 😂
"It is possible to do everything right and still lose. That is not weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Yep, my second favorite Captain! 😁
As much as I love Star Trek, I _despise_ that quote. No, if you lose, you've done something wrong. Period.
@@mknote Unless you didn't do anything wrong and your team just sucks! 😅
@@mknoteNot at all. It's entirely possible for everyone else to be in a better position. There is a certain randomness in life. Think of a card game: it is possible to lose, even though you do everything right, because you simply do not get good cards. You fail to allow for the randomness of real life. Tell me, if the ship had a bad shell that exploded in the tube, that looked perfectly good on the outside but had a factory defect, would that be the fault of the captain? It's the captain's fault for losing the battle because of something that happened by random chance at the factory? Court martial him because of a crappy shell? Life happens. Random stuff happens all the time. Lightning strikes a tree just as a bus drives by, the tree falls and kills some passengers - what did they or the driver do wrong? What did the people in Japan killed by the tsunami do wrong?
@@mknoteRandom chance would argue that you are incorrect. For example, two people train to run a marathon, they are equivalent in strength, stamina, and running skill. But one runner has a sea gull fly into his head at the finish line, and stumbles. He or she did nothing wrong, and yet might lose.
Unless you are trying to say that marathon runners should have trained in sea gull avoidance. And if you are going to be that pedantic, then there's no talking to you.
Thank you very much, Jingles, appreciate your tasteful video selection of today ;-).
And for everybody who is guessing, I am not from the Netherlands, I am from Germany and the nickname "Energetiker" stems from my favorite football team "FC Energie Cottbus".
Thanks again and shoutout to the Salmon player, he drove my blood pressure up at times, thanks for the adrenaline hikes!
Sorry to say it to you but Germany is just another word for our eastern provinces.....
edit: forgot to say...... gratz with your Solo Warrior, well earned!
Well played!
@@Seahorn_ What, do we still want those?
Great game.
@@whtalt92nah, not worth the hassle anymore, let them have it.
@11.20 Jingles - nobody else even has depth charges - Irian's depth charge plane flying overhead!
Extra shift in the salt mines 😂
10:45 Myoko: "Did somebody say my name?"
beat me to it
Akatsuki's AA defence is just a bunch of low ranking crew hurling rocks in the general direction of the planes
Matter of fact they probably do more damage than what any AA guns do for all ships in game put together
😂
Officers wildly emptying their Nambu sidearms to the air.
One of them has a laser pointer intended for cats that they use on the planes.
Rocks?
Or potatoes?
Epilepsy warning.
Was wondering if that was just me 😂 Screen randomly flashing black?
@115LX yeah lol im sleep deprived and got worried
I had just updated my video card drivers and thought that it was borked. haha
I thought my GPU was on the blink and rebooted. Thanks for the gulp moment Jingles.
so glad its not just me :D
10:35 classic Jingles explaining how the Myoko doesn't have depth charge attack planes while the Myoko's depth charge attack planes are dropping the enemy Salmon
Who would've guessed that a submarine would be the biggest nuisance and impossible to counter
With a matchup and deployment perfectly suited and a player who knows how to use his advantages, that's often going to be the case. Like Jingles said, the matchup was ideal for this to happen.
Jingles impersonator reported.
I mean that's how modern SSNs tend to work. Too bad WoWS forces everyone to fight them with WWII era cruisers and destroyers.
That Salmon captain really did walk into the perfect storm of no bomber depth charges from the enemy team and lack of stealth from the DD. There's no way you could gamble on that and get away with it again in a hundred battles. Most other games you'd get pummeled by battleship and cruiser attacks from behind the DD.
Nevertheless, the understanding of tactical situation of Salmon captain is good, he did everything right.
Of course you can play around that as a good sub. You outspot the DD, and there is no way he can spot you back unless he rushes you. Meaning that he dies well before you do.
My friend describes Japanese DD AA as an angry cook with a revolver.
i love how jingles can pronounce dutch names like its no problem, but his brain melt every time he has to pronounce Dunkerque.. :)
No French name should be pronounced correctly.
DunkerQ 😂
And he forgets that Giulio Cesare is just Italian (not Spanish) for Julius Caesar.
I literally hear Dunker-Q in my head whenever I see the name now. Thanks Jingles. 😂
And when he pronounces Worcester as Wooster instead of War-chester
That was a very unusual tactic by the submarine player: Spotting for his team mates. Usually submarine players dive after first contact with the enemy and stay underwater until they run out of oxygen. When an enemy DD approaches for a depth charge attack they scream for help in the chat, but it never occurs to them, that surfacing and spotting the DD for their team, so that they can actually shot it, might be helpful (for them as well).
Hell. I was playing a German premium submarine.
Thug submarine to go for all the cruisers that ruined my destroyer matches! But instead of typical torp killing ships? I was left to be the replacement spotter. Or else lose the game in a one sided blowout...
Well did 50k damage. And spotted for more than 250k spotting damage. Easily combat scout metal and the REASON why my team won.
I was on the surface for 85% of the game. That was how bad the situation was. Had to mass spot....and it worked!!
The fact that the Akatsuki has a 6.4 concealment is just criminal...
Around 7 minute mark - Epilepsy Warning. At least for me it started blinking like heck.
Yeah, I think Jingles had a rendering error.
@@ghoffmann821 So it seems
@@jannegrey593 This sort of thing actually happened to me when my OG thread ripper was dying. I've seen it with a bad ram stick also, but that's usually dozens of frames at a time.
@@ghoffmann821 Yeah. I wonder if Jingles Overclock doesn't need re-checking. Or some other similar issues.
Okay, thank God, I thought my video or monitor were malfunctioning.
Also, submarine submerged speeds are ridiculously fast compared to real life. And that makes them OP in that regard, to say nothing of their constant ping ability and bullshit homing torpedoes.
They genuinely sail and fight more like Cold War nuclear subs than WW2 diesel-electrics.
Cry me a river, sweetheart. This game is not about realism, or how will you explain that every ship gets more powerfull, the more damaged it is? And have unlimited am Munition?
@@marcom2248 It's not about realism that's fine but Destroyers are stuck with pre-1942 anti-sub depth charges against subs buffed to nuclear attack sub level.
That's not balanced at all so stops the game being fun.
@@marcom2248
@@Ushio01 1950's Mino would like an upgrade as well.
Energetiker is German :)
Indeed. Nothing dutch about that word.
@@mbrackeva Ah, yes, nothing Swamp German about the German word
Killing that Salmon must have felt so cathartic.
For ALL of us !!
"No one has depth charge attack planes" while two dc are in progress to the upper left screen corner and one later over our MC. Never change Jingles
I'm sorry Jingles, no offense to that Salmon's captain, but a well-played submarine play is too close to bullying and harassment for me to applaud. It was such a disturbing thing to behold, I feel for the Akatsuki. 😂
Unlike most subs, he wasn't just pinging one target to death. So there's at least that.
How is it any different from a destroyer continually evading detection by use of stealth and smoke to vomit out anything between 6 and 12 torpedoes into the side of a battleship/carrier/cruiser? The perception is that those vessels are vulnerable to and therefore go in fear of destroyers, so why shouldn't destroyers have to be wary about another class of vessel?
@@ThePhoenix198 Eh, DDs have to worry about planes, radars, cruisers with railguns, and enemy DDs already. I think what makes Subs so hated is the lack of effective counter (as a DD).
Whoa! That screen flicker....tech issues? Good vid as normal mighty jingles sir 07
I have three Solo Warriors:
1st was with a Colorado off all ships.
2nd with Öland, where friendly team was trying their very best to lose
and 3rd was in a ranked with Z-39.
the tier 6 shininomi only has 1 13.5 mm machine gun for its AA
worst T6 premium jap DD in the game.
T8 Asashio is the same, I think... (will have to check), The Akatsuki is an AA juggernaut in comparison.
I still think that the Leningrad has the worst AA in the game, because not only is it pointless against CVs, but one of the mounts blocks the line of fire of the rear turret. So its not just bad, it is actively hindering the ship.
well the thing is that sub would've died a long time ago if he tried to do that when his BB team mates are not cowering 10km back and actually moved up.
In wows, every sub is the USS Harder. It targeted and sank about half a dozen IJN DDs. If my memory serves, I believe the books "Silent Victory" records 4 were in a single patrol, but I may be mistaken . Good vid.
Salmon player just randomly pushing Surface/Submerge button has gotten an entire video about how he, being a top player, just threw the game.
Yep, there was no need to surface like that at the end. He still had dive capacity remaining so could've come to periscope depth first.
XP for spotting damage changed a patch or 2 ago. You now get full XP as if you did the damage yourself.
Jingles commented about the trouble the Akatsuki captain had with the submarine. I was wondering why the Akatsuki captain didn't just sail to a part of the map where the submarine wasn't. When the time came that he left the area near the map border where the sub was, he turned around and went right back toward it. And so the pattern continued. The Akatsuki didn't use the island he was near for cover and kept sailing in circles waiting for the sub to pop up and spot him. He won anyway, but it wasn't for lack of trying.
The Shiratsuyu a gun boat? Who knew? 😂 It's got 15% less gun dpm than the Akatsuki.
Never change Jingles.
The funny thing ist, the Shiratsuyu really is in the gunboat line. Also at the Beginning it also was the better topedoboat since it got Smoke and reloadbooster in different slots just like Yuudachi has now
@@LukeKenobi1 It only *becomes* the gun boat line at T8. Shiratsuyu is still very much a torp boat.
@@AllAhabNoMoby True (sort of...) but the line splits at tier 5 with Mutsuki/Minekaze which is where gunboat DD drivers have to decide what they want so, technically, Shira is on the gunboat line.....? :) But then, of course, you have the "ultimate" torp-line boat being Yamagiri.....WoW really never thought that line through did they?
Thanks again Old Man, great vid!👍
The REAL cat & mouse here is between the video and your possible epilepsy. >.
Your Overlord-ship, Myoko does have depth charge airstrikes (unsure of the range), and it now has submarine surveillance, too (7km range).
The sub could also do that because there were no BBs or CAs paying attention. Whenever a sub shows on the map in most games, there's 5 or 6 planes suddenly dropping bombs on them.
WP Solo warriors are always espeically nice!
10:54 "None of the ships on this side of the map have depthcharge attack planes, infact of the three of them here, energetica, the irain and the myoko hes the only one that even has depthcharges... Hahah..!"
11:39 Irian's depthcharge planes fly past.....
Not sure what the Irian was thinking sailing out of the smoke screen..
0:54 The new, all-singing, all-dancing Tier VII premium Japanese torpedo destroyer [checks notes] Yukatsuki!?
USS Salmon is here, fulfilling the original strategy of the fleet type boat.
No way, lol i was playing this ship all day on Legends. Amazing video as always
What an excellent nailbiter of a game! Bravo!
LOL tought my tv was about to give out. had me panickinh there jingles.
Wow, what a battle of Cat and Mouse!
they buffed spotting damage experience 4 patches or so ago. so spotting damage is now close to 50% of actual exp. I know because i placed top of our team doing over 100k spotting and 50k damage in a dd...of course i got the combat scouting award too, so maybe that has a bonus to it too.
You can always play the Minegumo so you dont even have to turn them off.
The Salmon can crash dive like no other!
9 points every 3 seconds is 180 points a minute. Yep, you're absolutely right; in the comfort of being able to watch this retrospectively, I can do that math in my head with relative ease. But never in any of my WoWs battles have I done the math on the fly 😅
Well played to the Salmon on being annoying. 👍
To say that the Agincourt has no AA is slightly misleading, Jingles. You are obviously forgetting about the cooks and the ships boys out on the superstructure with rifles and Wesley revolvers…
imagine introducing such a powerful type of ship like cv's and subs, and your playerbase being so stupid you have to buff them to overpowered levels just to make them average the other ships.
I have a real fear that I will be on a Jingles episode doing something really bad lol.
Old man, you made me ceck the connections of my monitor :)
What confounds as how a submarine can outspot anything on the surface. Considering they're using a periscope with an extremely limited field of view and they're only about 10 meters high when fully surfaced... while a destroyer is 20 meters above the waterline and larger ships even higher. On water height should give a vastly disparate spotting range.
Dutch man born and raised in a country, France, that's very close to Netherlands in fact they border each other
Good day Jingles to you and Rita, please give the floofers scritches and treats in honor of my late overlord.
Our protagonist stood alone against the enemy and dragged his team victory.The kitties would be proud of his stalking technique.
Nicely done.
🐈😿🕊️🌉🌈⚱️😫😭
🐈🐈⬛👑✌️🖖
Really good play by the Salmon. With the new rework this is where Subs are going to have to be more and more ("Light Tanking" it in WOT parlance). However if those two cruisers behind our hero had been a little closer they could have used their ASW planes against him more often which would have made his meerkat tactic a little more dangerous. They could also have fired on the sub more often every time he popped up. If you don't support your DDs this is what happens.
The subs, from a DD's point of view, are more like the clown cars.
Akatsuki having very bad AA is probably one of the reasons the U.S. round housed Japan with our navy and air force in WW2
Jesus that rendering bug was starting to make me think my TV was dying
Even within the IJN dd boats, there are some that have worse AA than Akatsuki. Ladies and gentleman, may I present the Shinonome. One 13 mm/76 Type 93 on a twin mount with a 1.2km range.
Submarines just do not work in WOWS. They are about 2-3 times faster than they should be. They can see under water. They are immune to hydro - riddle me this one btw. They share vision with other surface ship presumably by telepathically sending visions - same issue with carrier planes. The way homing is implemented makes no sense. And that's not even touching on the toxic effect they have on gameplay. (still better than sky piggies)
For me, they are working very well... 😂😂😂
You mean the ship system specifically designed to counter subs, doesn't do much of anything to them? That's WG for you...
Destroyers weren't created to destroy submarines. Before and during WW1, the full name of the ships were: Torpedo Boat Destroyers. They were designed to defend against the, at the time, very popular class of small fast boat (like a PT Boat in WW2) that would rush an enemy battle line to launch the new fangled torpedos they carried. Battleships and Armored Cruisers were sitting ducks to these tactics, so the navies made Torpedo Boat Destroyers to defend against and hunt the little boats down. Partway through WW1, the name was shortened to Destroyer as the torpedo boat threat lessened and they took on scouting and harrying roles themselves. They would later be put to use against subs, but that wasn't why they were created.
Thats a solid play for that Salmon Player- +1
07:14 Quite a few screen flickers around this time Jingles.
I think people need to put pressure on WG to recognize the input of players who don't do damage but enable damage
I'd argue that the beginning of the match was a mistake. He's not spotting for anyone useful and approaching the sub cost him a little.
Nearing my year anniversary for my new PC build because my old 970 gave out on me and this vid made me pucker a little.
Thanks!
I raise you the Kitakami with it's mighty pair of double 25mm AA mounts.
It's also not surprising what you can do with a ship that has abilities that are completely made up and have nothing in common with actual submarines.
Japanese Destroyer vid, my favorite!
I think the lack of good submarine players is exacerbated by WeeGee protecting the class as a whole (you can't be proxy spotted, hydro only spots you at under 2km, the only ships that have sub surveillance are other subs and backline heavy cruisers that prefer to stay at range, etc)
Is it just me or can you see the periscope pop up from the waves every now and then?
Suddenly I feel like listening to a song about fish eye lenses.
Sorry to disappoint in telling that the creative pronounciation of that name was for naught as Energetiker is german for a medical profession dealing in balancing human energy and the spirit and while that looks like some germans stream lining meditation, the english name is Energeticist.
Tip: If you think it is dutch, its most likely and was in quite a few videos in fact german. Some of them were actually really funny.
Love your videos, never change
I started playing WOW's right after Beta testing. Played for years and had a great time. Admittingly I was never that good at the game but still enjoyed it. Then Subs came. I tried and tried. It totally ruined the game for me. I uninstalled the game and haven't played in years. Still watch Jingles videos just to see a good game. Which is incredibly rare. Game blows over all.
Let me cut through the confusion ... The depth charge planes which reload almost instantly, have up to 12 km range, do insane damage and have no charge limit thus get spammed.
Sub main spotted.
Ya know…I wonder if those two were divisioned up together or if they just instinctively decided to work together
Thats how you can be torn by wishing aither side the win xD
11:20: out of the 3 of them here, the DD is the only one that has depth charges....Jingles, never change XD. You said this literally after the 2 Myoko depth attack planes finished their run and about 10 seconds before Irian's depth attack planes were launched XD XD
So I stopped the video, ran out and got an eye exam & new glasses. On the way home, I picked up a new video card and monitor.
Jingles complimenting a submarine player? You've grown up so much! I'm having a proud mom moment.
Or accepted that these bottom-feeders are here to stay.
DAMMIT Jingles, just call him 'Dave'....
The player in the Fiji was quite bad because he didn't took the even small chance to win by blind firing and killing the DD in the last minutes!
I downed a plane one in my Yamato. It fell on my deck before my 1st main gun. It did 1 HP of damage to my ship. (I was full health, it went directly towards our carrier for some reason). I never knew they did any damage to you that way.
"It's my video deal with it". 😃
I've got something like 20000 games and only have 1 solo warrior. And the way I got it was kind of hilarious, because with 5 seconds left in the match 2 v 4 and up several hundred points, I TK'd my only surviving ally. I'm scum, I know.
Even discounting the points situation, the Salmon still messed up by coming up to the surface. He had dive capacity remaining and could have spotted just as well from periscope depth. Maybe it was adrenaline or soemthing, but it was a misplay nontheless.
10:46 he says as Myoko depth charge planes fly across the screen :D
10:20 Irian too :D
that was very good game by Salmon, and the Fiji for being a good partner...
#44 - Let's got, CO Dave!
stunning
Lol, a German lobby - "Sumpfkrautjunky" = weed smoker, "BallerIgel" = ... hard to translate... maybe gung-ho hedgehog? 😄
T7 DDs generally have the worst stealth compared to other tiers. I've always found it annoying in the IJN line when you have the Minekaze at 5.4km concealment at T5, then go up to over 6km over T6&7, then back to 5.4km at T8 with the Kagero.
Actually lost against a Minakaze when I was in the Yukkikaze. The Yukikaze is a reasonably stealthy T7 DD. But still got out spotted by the T5 Minakaze. Didn't help that the enemy team was really good at shooting me when spotted, and my allys... weren't very good at shooting the Minakaze when I risked my HP to spot it.
Brilliant Video!!!!
Morning Gnome Overlord
Happy Friday old man
Dutch crew on a Japanese ship with a French flag? Sounds like a stateless claim and grounds for a boarding!!!
Its not hard supermaths. Enemy had 3 times the cap circles, energetiker needed 100 pts to win, meaning in the time he needs to get those 100 pts, the enemy will get 300 pts. Enemy needed 250 points to win. So if the timer doesnt run out before enemy points overtakes, he needed that kill.
Shima is no longer the stealthiest dd in the game, that crown goes to the jager with a stealth of 5.4 for anyone wondering.
It's 5.4...
@@thegreenfather1978 yeah typo my bad
The trick is to position this ship near a cruiser.
guessed right from start^^
4:16 DD pops smoke, 4:16 'Detected' icon vanishes, 4:28 Salmon gets 1st torpedo ping lock, 4:50 Salmon gets 2nd torpedo ping lock. AT NO POINT since 4:18 has the DD been spotted, but apparently subs are capable of 'seeing' through the smoke due to their magical undetectable radar. More WG bullshit in favour of a class that 99% of the player base, despises.
dam Jingles you scare me I thought my graphics card was dying, then I go an see the coments XD
called solo warrior.... at 4 mins TG... lol
Salmon didn't do anything wrong but he could have done it better, he could detect akatsuki at 10m under water salmon has 30 knots speed which means it can easily chase ships undetected.