Another villain that serves a similar purpose to Umbridge is Long Feng in Book 2 of Avatar: The Last Airbender. He keeps the main characters from seeing the Earth King and silences those who mention the 100 year war, the difference between him and Umbridge is that he works with Azula when his actions are exposed, he does try to betray the Fire Nation Princess, only to lose to her in the end.
Harvey would’ve work great as a “each other antagonist” against Bane (order vs chaos while Batman is trying to bring balance). Awesome video. New subscriber here
I watched this video the other day and I found myself thinking about it this morning since I had recently finished the Drizz't Do'Urden series that takes place in the Dungeons and Dragon's Forgotten realms. It's a super long series that's like, 39 books long. But anyway, you have in there so many antagonists and I was thinking about it after watching this video because there's moments where unlikely villains or rather antagonists team up and many times it worked. I dived deeper into why some of these team ups worked well. One instance is when with the Kingdom of Obould where the orcs are manipulated by four drow to lead a conquest across the Silver Marshes. In order for this to succeed, they must also recruit the Frost Giants to form an uneasy truce. Of course, the Drow are also manipulated the Frost Giants. They want the war simply for entertainment and the opportunities. Of course, there is tension between the Frost Giants and the Orcs along with between their leaders Obould of the Orcs and Gerti of the Frost Giants. of course the Frost Giants see the orcs as inferior, but cooperate on the promise of not only getting lots of treasure, but taking down their common enemy, the Dwarves of Mithral Hall. I won't get too much into it, but this team up really seems to work. I wouldn't necessarily say that Gerti or even the drow are on a higher power level than the Orcs, mostly due to the fact that there are tens of thousands of orcs, but also because the orc god gives Obould his blessing, making him super strong and far smarter which makes him super dangerous. Of course, this also ends up destroying the team up since the drow can no lnoger manipulate the orcs and the Giants can't intimidate them. There are a few other instances, such as in the Ghost King series, where a Mind Flayer, a Dragon, and this sentient shard get combined into one being with three minds after the Dragon is manipulated to blast the Shard by a drow named Jarlaxle (An Anti Hero and one of my favorite characters) and several others. Now the Dragon/Mind Flayer/Shard must work together to get their revenge against Jarlaxle and the others. It's a great storyline even though it sounds very far fetched, but it's fantasy and Dungeons and Dragons. That kind of makes a different way to make villains team up with each other by having them forced to team up. This happens a few times. Especially with the Drow. I feel like the closest character to Umbridge I can possibly find is probably Joffrey Baratheon in A Song of Ice and Fire. Mostly just because I feel equal hate towards Joffrey, but in a different way. He's a spoiled sadistic brat. Although I take that back, again, in the Drizz't Do"Urden series, there are a few characters kinda like her, but they're less subtle. Some of the Matron Mothers of the Drow city are super sadistic and twisted. Matron Mother Yvonnel, Malice, and especially Matron Mother Zhindia Melarn, who is this fanatical devotee of Lolth, the Spider Queen, so it makes her truly unbearable and a character you love to hate. She's self-righteous, pompous, zealous, and super entitled. Unfortunately, you don't see much of her until near the end of the 39 book series. Or rather fortunately. But other than that, I can't think of any other characters like Umbridge.
Nice video, good point about Umbridge! I can Greatly recommend Puss In Boots 2, they have 3 different villains that all contrast each other Reeally well!! Plus, I like the lighting and overall quality of the vid!
Oh I totally agree about Puss in Boots: The Last Wish!! And the fear they created with the Wolf/Death was amazing! Definitely something to take notes from.
@@moonangel97 Yess omg one of my favorite movies!! Yeah I Love how Puss' heart starts racing from his mere presence, and how Death stops chasing him as soon as he overcomes his fear! But beside him, I really like Big Jack Horner and how he enjoys being evil, and how Goldilocks o co turn good in the end (all of em are completely different)!!
I agree that Umbridge is a good secondary villain, and it is a satisfying moment when Harry says "I mustn't tell lies" as she's being dragged away, but the writer made a mistake bringing her back in the ministry in the final book. The same line just felt repetitive when Harry used it to reveal he was disguised with polyjuice potion.
The closest villain I can think of to Umbridge as of late is the bishop from Netflix’s Castlevania. He’s the one who killed Dracula’s wife on false charges, causing him to wage war on humanity. And while he didn’t personally eliminate the Belmont clan, he stands in direct opposition to Trevor by manipulating the townspeople’s fear and ignorance.
About the Umbrige tipe of villain, I wrote 2 books where I had antagonistics characters on that situation. One is the protagonist boyfriend who keeps making her life worse (because he is a jerk and because he is just a teenager), the other is a vampire that just happens to live close to the protagonist and want her. In the game path of exile there are plenty of villains like that. The lore may be a little dauting at first, but the game is way more daunting.
I don't think The Legend of Korra is a good example of this. I rewatched the series only a few months ago and couldn't shake the feeling that the season felt rushed (a theme that continued to the other seasons) because it was rushed by the network. The season is spose to be about benders oppressing non-bender but we never actually see this happen on scene. It felt more like Amon was convincing non-benders that they were being oppressed which leads to Tarrlock oppressing them (the only time in the season we actually see it, but it was also a direct response to Amon's attacks). However, that didn't feel intentional. There wasn't enough groundwork laid to make the theme of the season convincing. The theme is also completely dropped and never brought up again. Personally, I think it would have been more interesting if Tarrlock and Amon were the same person. They seem to be two people with opposing goals but are actually one person trying to accomplish one thing. This is just one idea that would have made TLoK better. Anyways, aside from that I thought this was a great video. I realized I often think more about the goal that a villain wants to achieve and not why they want to do it. That's something I'm going to keep in mind as I develop the villains in the stories I'm writing.
Also, you're forgetting that Voldemort kills several people we care about, including (Spoilers) Cedrick, Snape, and Harry's own parents. He has plenty of reason to be hated.
Yeah... but Cedrick wasn't really that important to Harry (it really bothered Harry's eventual girlfriend more than it bothered him), and, yeah, his parent's deaths were important, but they died before Harry even really remembered them, so Sirius's death by Bellatrix was far more emotionally charged for him. I'll give you Snape, though.
Spoilers for Brandon Sanderson’s Way of Kings. I think Sades was a good secondary villian or at least antagonist that is unrelated to Odium and the parshendi but provides plot hindrances in a believable and engaging way
Wouldn't the main point of adding another villain be to push your hero to a limit? Spiderman, for instance, is so powerful that, if he ever really tried his hardest, none of his villains would be that dangerous, but if he were to fight, say, six sinister villains at once, suddenly his life is really on the line.
Another villain that serves a similar purpose to Umbridge is Long Feng in Book 2 of Avatar: The Last Airbender. He keeps the main characters from seeing the Earth King and silences those who mention the 100 year war, the difference between him and Umbridge is that he works with Azula when his actions are exposed, he does try to betray the Fire Nation Princess, only to lose to her in the end.
honestly, you explain these topics way better than most people on this platform. thank you :3
Harvey would’ve work great as a “each other antagonist” against Bane (order vs chaos while Batman is trying to bring balance). Awesome video. New subscriber here
Thanks for the sub! And yes! I love that idea! I think that would've worked really well.
HOLD ON MARY JANE!!!
I watched this video the other day and I found myself thinking about it this morning since I had recently finished the Drizz't Do'Urden series that takes place in the Dungeons and Dragon's Forgotten realms. It's a super long series that's like, 39 books long. But anyway, you have in there so many antagonists and I was thinking about it after watching this video because there's moments where unlikely villains or rather antagonists team up and many times it worked. I dived deeper into why some of these team ups worked well.
One instance is when with the Kingdom of Obould where the orcs are manipulated by four drow to lead a conquest across the Silver Marshes. In order for this to succeed, they must also recruit the Frost Giants to form an uneasy truce. Of course, the Drow are also manipulated the Frost Giants. They want the war simply for entertainment and the opportunities. Of course, there is tension between the Frost Giants and the Orcs along with between their leaders Obould of the Orcs and Gerti of the Frost Giants. of course the Frost Giants see the orcs as inferior, but cooperate on the promise of not only getting lots of treasure, but taking down their common enemy, the Dwarves of Mithral Hall. I won't get too much into it, but this team up really seems to work. I wouldn't necessarily say that Gerti or even the drow are on a higher power level than the Orcs, mostly due to the fact that there are tens of thousands of orcs, but also because the orc god gives Obould his blessing, making him super strong and far smarter which makes him super dangerous. Of course, this also ends up destroying the team up since the drow can no lnoger manipulate the orcs and the Giants can't intimidate them.
There are a few other instances, such as in the Ghost King series, where a Mind Flayer, a Dragon, and this sentient shard get combined into one being with three minds after the Dragon is manipulated to blast the Shard by a drow named Jarlaxle (An Anti Hero and one of my favorite characters) and several others. Now the Dragon/Mind Flayer/Shard must work together to get their revenge against Jarlaxle and the others. It's a great storyline even though it sounds very far fetched, but it's fantasy and Dungeons and Dragons. That kind of makes a different way to make villains team up with each other by having them forced to team up. This happens a few times. Especially with the Drow.
I feel like the closest character to Umbridge I can possibly find is probably Joffrey Baratheon in A Song of Ice and Fire. Mostly just because I feel equal hate towards Joffrey, but in a different way. He's a spoiled sadistic brat. Although I take that back, again, in the Drizz't Do"Urden series, there are a few characters kinda like her, but they're less subtle. Some of the Matron Mothers of the Drow city are super sadistic and twisted. Matron Mother Yvonnel, Malice, and especially Matron Mother Zhindia Melarn, who is this fanatical devotee of Lolth, the Spider Queen, so it makes her truly unbearable and a character you love to hate. She's self-righteous, pompous, zealous, and super entitled. Unfortunately, you don't see much of her until near the end of the 39 book series. Or rather fortunately. But other than that, I can't think of any other characters like Umbridge.
Nice video, good point about Umbridge! I can Greatly recommend Puss In Boots 2, they have 3 different villains that all contrast each other Reeally well!!
Plus, I like the lighting and overall quality of the vid!
Oh I totally agree about Puss in Boots: The Last Wish!! And the fear they created with the Wolf/Death was amazing! Definitely something to take notes from.
@@moonangel97 Yess omg one of my favorite movies!! Yeah I Love how Puss' heart starts racing from his mere presence, and how Death stops chasing him as soon as he overcomes his fear!
But beside him, I really like Big Jack Horner and how he enjoys being evil, and how Goldilocks o co turn good in the end (all of em are completely different)!!
I agree that Umbridge is a good secondary villain, and it is a satisfying moment when Harry says "I mustn't tell lies" as she's being dragged away, but the writer made a mistake bringing her back in the ministry in the final book. The same line just felt repetitive when Harry used it to reveal he was disguised with polyjuice potion.
Just found your channel, great breakdown and advice
The closest villain I can think of to Umbridge as of late is the bishop from Netflix’s Castlevania. He’s the one who killed Dracula’s wife on false charges, causing him to wage war on humanity. And while he didn’t personally eliminate the Belmont clan, he stands in direct opposition to Trevor by manipulating the townspeople’s fear and ignorance.
Thanks so much! That will definitely be going on my watch list now!
About the Umbrige tipe of villain, I wrote 2 books where I had antagonistics characters on that situation. One is the protagonist boyfriend who keeps making her life worse (because he is a jerk and because he is just a teenager), the other is a vampire that just happens to live close to the protagonist and want her.
In the game path of exile there are plenty of villains like that. The lore may be a little dauting at first, but the game is way more daunting.
I don't think The Legend of Korra is a good example of this. I rewatched the series only a few months ago and couldn't shake the feeling that the season felt rushed (a theme that continued to the other seasons) because it was rushed by the network. The season is spose to be about benders oppressing non-bender but we never actually see this happen on scene. It felt more like Amon was convincing non-benders that they were being oppressed which leads to Tarrlock oppressing them (the only time in the season we actually see it, but it was also a direct response to Amon's attacks). However, that didn't feel intentional. There wasn't enough groundwork laid to make the theme of the season convincing. The theme is also completely dropped and never brought up again.
Personally, I think it would have been more interesting if Tarrlock and Amon were the same person. They seem to be two people with opposing goals but are actually one person trying to accomplish one thing. This is just one idea that would have made TLoK better.
Anyways, aside from that I thought this was a great video. I realized I often think more about the goal that a villain wants to achieve and not why they want to do it. That's something I'm going to keep in mind as I develop the villains in the stories I'm writing.
There's bo way that batman suit up montage is in the movie, what 😂
Also, you're forgetting that Voldemort kills several people we care about, including (Spoilers) Cedrick, Snape, and Harry's own parents. He has plenty of reason to be hated.
Yeah... but Cedrick wasn't really that important to Harry (it really bothered Harry's eventual girlfriend more than it bothered him), and, yeah, his parent's deaths were important, but they died before Harry even really remembered them, so Sirius's death by Bellatrix was far more emotionally charged for him. I'll give you Snape, though.
Spoilers for Brandon Sanderson’s Way of Kings.
I think Sades was a good secondary villian or at least antagonist that is unrelated to Odium and the parshendi but provides plot hindrances in a believable and engaging way
Wouldn't the main point of adding another villain be to push your hero to a limit? Spiderman, for instance, is so powerful that, if he ever really tried his hardest, none of his villains would be that dangerous, but if he were to fight, say, six sinister villains at once, suddenly his life is really on the line.
Tyty- THAT BURP WAS HORRID