Teaching Your Problem Horse To Behave For The Farrier/Trimmer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ม.ค. 2019
- Several different video footage to demonstrate different ways to retrain a horse that has trouble picking up his feet, and holding them up long enough to be filed.
Thank you for sharing! As a new trimmer I’m getting many difficult horses.
Glad it was helpful! Be careful, if they are really bad, make them hire a trainer. It's not your job to train then, just trim them. Also if a new client, ask them to pick up all four before you do.
The essence of patience. Love your approach. As a guy I was brought up to manhandle the animal. Over the years I’ve found that slow and steady works best and makes a better animal. I think it’s us that need retraining, not the horse. So many horses are mislabeled as unmanageable. Good job.
Thank you!
Thank you for showing the right way to work with horses. There is so much ignorance around this topic. Having mutual respect for the animal, patience and understanding gets a lot better results and shows the quality of human you are. Well done.
Thanks so much!
Ty for teaching me this Really appreciate it 👍
Happy to help
Great learning . Thank.you. please elaborate more on the handler and what/ how/why they need to do the the lead line..I noticed the handler kind of shaking the rope but but sure when. It looks like instead of trying to hold the horse it just a quick shake of the rope and release. I appreciate your feedback thank you!🙏
Sorry just saw this. Instead of holding lead rope close to head holding from a distance and like you said, quick shake or snap of lead if horse is naughty.
Gosh I need this for my horse
Hoof jack it's very nice.
Great energy...horses get it...My one horse had to be tranqued for feet until I found a farrier just like you and he has never had to be tranqued again...so many farriers have big, angry energy and horses responded as if to a predator.... my farrier is amazing as are you!!
Thanks so much!, I am not a farrier, I play one on you tube lol I do trim my own horses after training with several barefoot trimmers and taking a two day seminar with Pete Ramey as well as watching his videos. One can just go through the motions of "pretending" to file, tap hold up etc with no harm done to the horse to train it to behave for farrier.
@@bobcatfarm Got it! Well I used the techniques with my 1 1/2 year old mini stallion who was just like the one in the video. I’m working on connection with safe attachment…bu have to use hug energy to not get stood on. Got all 4 feet up then let them go and rewarded each teach he lifted …going to be quite a journey 🥴
I’m always by myself. I have mammoth donkeys and a mustang mare. Some days are better than others, but one mammoth has started snatching her foot away pretty badly. I’ve trimmed her for the 6 mos. I’ve had her. She had never had her feet handled, kicked out badly, but had progressed really well with lots of work. But she seems to have decided she just doesn’t want to stay on the hoof jack long enough for me to trim. What do you recommend as far as tying, not tying when alone? Correction for snatching? I’m a small woman and not strong enough to hold on when they pull too hard on the backs.
I would not tie, I would hold your lead rope in the crook of your left arm, pick up her right front, and with your left. Don't even try to pick it or trim it. Now have your rope (from the crook of your arm) in your left hand and the moment you feel her try to pull away, snap, shank, jerk, what ever you want to call it, the lead rope to correct her for trying to take her foot away. Do not say anything. when she hold it for just a second give it back. Keep doing this several times. Pick it up. be ready to correct (not verbally) if she holds it for five seconds give it back, rub her chest, work up to longer and longer hold before you try to trim. She will cause her own correction every time she tries to take her foot away if you have good timing and don't say anything. I should have other videos about feet handling you can watch.
My horse was always get for the farrier she normally get full set of shoes and because my farrier was on holiday at the time I got another farrier and because she pulled her foot away from him he kicked her in the stomach, she has been a nightmare since. She stands and get her hoofs trimmed gets her 2 front shoes on and then when it comes to the backs she try’s to pull away. I would honestly appreciate any recommendations as the stress this out me though when she has always been great.
Try working with the back feet away from the cross ties, like loose in a pen, or with a long lead rope to hold her, go to her back leg, pick it up for just a second and put it back down, work up to longer and longer if she tries to pull away, a quick snap of the lead rope for a correction. then try again, give back before she wants it, end on a good note. Stay safe.
I have a blind Appaloosa that needs to be sedated for her feet to get trimmed. She acted up last time and the farrier couldn’t do any of her hooves without her just blowing up. I try to practice during the week but she just turns away from me when I try to pick her hooves. I’ve had her for years so I don’t know if it’s a trust issue? What can I do to help desensitize?
Did she just start with this behavior, you say you have had her for years? New farrier? Trying cuing her hoof first instead of trying to pick it up. Also look up this video... Training A Blind Horse To Pick Up Feet.
Ive got one. She’s such a good horse but her nerves get her with shoeing. I’ve even had my farrier trainer take her for a month and work with her every day but she is stuck deep in her fears. She strikes in the front if her hood is hells more than a minute or so. She’s some better not cross tied.
The drugging really doesn’t work well enough.
Idk - do you think some are lost causes?
If she is still striking after a month, then the training is not working. I can't say without seeing her. If you have footage you can send it to my email
A few months ago i bought a horse and i watch him get his feet done and he was good as gold but now he rears and has a really bad time and its got to a point where the farrier refuses to do him. I dont know what to do any suggestions
He made have been sedated, you need to hire a Problem horse trainer to get him good with his feet. You can't blame your farrier for refusing. If he gets hurt he cant make a living. Can you contact person you bought him from and have them come help, or use the farrier they used? Does the horse allow you to pick feet? If so you can start working with him. If not contact the seller to see if they will take the horse back. Maybe give you some of your money back.
Just had a farrier in today to shoe.. he was in a few weeks ago and trimmed no issue.. our mare have had for a few months now.. she reared .. farrier was able to get 1 shoe on.. other side not successful..
Sorry to hear
This is the trouble I’m having right now. A guy came yesterday to trim my horse and he didn’t kick but kept trying to jerk his feet away
Practice holding his feet up as long as the farrier does but start small, try to hold a little past the struggle and give hoof back before her wants it. I have other videos showing corrections to make when they try to struggle look at handling foal feet to set him up correctly.
Cathie Hatrick-Anderson thank you so much I’ll do that ❤️
I just randomly took ownership of an almost 4 year old red roan mare. I’m a first time horse owner, her name is Rowdy girl, she’s never been shoed and she needs her feet worked on so bad. I’m terrified to have a farrier out this early into working with her but she needs it. What do I need to tell the farrier ahead of time to ensure their safety ?
Tell the truth, be honest, and in such situations I would advise sedating a horse (I am against this as a rule, I believe in training) but in the case of a overgrown mustang/rescue i would prefer to have him sedated, than try to force, or get a farrier hurt in the process. I have never done it as I am a trainer, but if I was not, I would, and maybe you should consider hiring a trainer to help.
@@bobcatfarm thank you for the reply! I will request sedation for her first trimming and let them know we are actively working on training. Luckily my neighbor used to be a horse trainer for many many years and the neighbor knows the story of this horse and she has graciously offered to help train the horse and myself as a new horse owner.
Wow, you train the horses, so you should get the right amount of money. One part your farrier work, one part the horse training. 200,- € for fixing a problem for good is not much money. Only payable if the problem is fixed and with the option to correct if it shows up again.
Thanks, I think. Payable for the time spent, not only if the problem is fixed. Very dangerous work. Problem not created over night so can't expect a miracle in a two hour session. But I think all of the ones I have worked with were. I did say that to one client though. I said If I don't fix it you won't pay if you bring the horse to me, so I don't have to travel to your farm and charge you so much for my travel time, and the actual job. She said she was willing to pay me to come out. I did fix it in less than an hour and then worked with another horse on a few different issues. I don't have that footage as I have hundreds of different horse training video footage that sits in my camera, on sd cards and no time to upload and edit.
I have a question ? I a yearling that just became 2 year old on the 28 of January 2021. he kick and hurt you in the round pin I use to train horse but I'm trouble by him I never seen a horse act like .him he never back down to anyone and at meal time he put every one in danger we can't bring food to him when training to wait I alost get kill but I'm to fast for him he is a gelded can you give me some pointers.
Look at my video "Food Aggression in horses" this horse was not that bad. But he was not that bad. It will just give you a few pointers. I have worked with MANY but the people that own them don't want me to tape them because they usually want to sell them and don't want evidence of their past behavior. Also I just went to one of my videos and removed it from unlisted to public so you can watch it. "Aggressive horse in a small pen" I got so many jerks saying I was bad in this video I had to make it private to look while it's still public. You should not go into his pen without a whip to drive him off. If you don't own him, stay out of his pen. If you own him, get a good trainer. In looking at that video again Horse in small pen, I would say it is NOT safe in that small of a pen. Not enough room for you or anyone to get away. But in a big open field this horse would charge you. I did this in her big pen. I was not afraid of her, but many were.
There are no problem horses, only problem people.
Well sometimes people buy horses from unscrupulous people and acquire a problem horse. so I understand what you are saying. These poor horses are created by people. But I would still say I work with problem horses.
@@bobcatfarm Nope. There are no problem horses. The horse's background does not matter.
If you place the rest close to his knees he'll stand better, maybe. They have their days... I've been stepped on, dragged down, but never kicked or bit.
I'm pretty sure I had the stand in the best place and was happy this horse did as good as he did, since he was unable to be trimmed/shod, and his owner reported he was not a problem after this session.
Sorry, but where is the "training"? Most of the video is "afterward".
Sorry, I thought there was tips in there. Patience, giving foot back before needed, corrections for taking foot away, using a hoof pick or fingernail to get horse to take his own weight off etc. I guess it does look pretty good and not a lot of ugly before. here you go, put this in the search box.Horse That Kicks The Farrier - Retraining
@@bobcatfarm nice work I just bought two Welsh geldings 3 yr old half brothers going to train as team . Very rambunctious and unruly but getting calmer
What happens if the horse is great for me. A rock, great for the vet. The farrier she is awful. The coincidence is she has progressively gotten worse since a year ago February at winter boarding she got a screw in her foot. It was xrayed and removed. Don't know where to go from here. She is worse on the side where the screw went in. She was fine with its extraction.
The farrier has to hold the foot longer than the horse owner usually does, also she could associate the farrier with the bad experience. Many times with a horse that has issue with the farrier and not owner, I will approach the horse pick up all four feet after owner does (demonstrating to me that the horse is actually good with them) and them go put my farrier apron on ( I'm not a professional farrier, but I do trim my own horses) bring my hoof jack and only then will the horse act afraid if he actually has a problem with the farrier. In that case more patience is required from farrier. Or more work from you with same equipment and holding each foot as long as farrier needs to, to be able to get the job done. Good luck, stay safe.
whats up with the whispering???????
Not sure what you are talking about.
It's called laziness on the owners part
The owner did nothing wrong, it came back from a trip to the vet's I believe and then the horse started ripping it's foot away. I corrected it a few times snapped the lead rope, I had also done leading with turns to the right to establish leadership and respect.