@@disquo1686 Daily reminder that Pipkin Pippa has gone from not existing, to existing, getting 100k subscribers, and showing feet, in the time zfg hasn't speedran OoT 100%.
@@NukeCaulfield SRM (Stale Reference Manipulation) does involve what looks to be random and arbitrary movement, since you're using your movement and position to cause an outcome that causes the credits to start. (that's not all of it but that's beyond my ability to explain it well just look up an explanation)
This is the run I've been hoping for for a long time already. Amazing job, PancakeTurtle and Migu, thanks for putting in the effort! The amount of time and work that went into this must be immense.
OH man, I had no idea this was being worked on. Looks like I know what I'll be doing this evening. And to have done it in a year with so much new tech I'd imagine.. What an absolute treat.
@@seifeir6951they're probably talking about the route that was run for this TAS specifically. That's what I gathered from what they were talking about in the beginning. I could be wrong though
Thank you for posting this, I'm sure everyone who appreciates this respects how much work goes into this from just 2 people, and they smash it out in just over a year they said. Love the commentation as well
Amazing video even when rewatching it months later, great commentary and the run itself is a joy to watch if you're a fan of Zelda speedruns. Cheers ZFG, Pancake and Migu.
God I miss this. ZFG you are amazing and you were close to the wr without SRM. While you were grinding 100 percent back then. I’m surprise you are commentating on the original N64 on console. This is satisfying to see.
Great TAS expose! Thanks for sharing this, and all the hard work that went into it. There was so much good discussion in the first twenty minutes. I don’t want to take too much more of your time with this without actually writing a true script out, but I goofed around with a few ideas for the important parts at the beginning. I haven’t put much work into writing and timing everything, but I think it would be useful to lay out the general route getting out of village and into the temple during the intro minutes (ie for noob players). Then maybe enough time to define the CSlide, S-slide/HESS, and 🤞SRM during the village bolder section, or if not just between there and Sara. Then describe the world map, and the (gold star) adult vs child description again. Then describe hovering during chickens and their RNG again. The moat timing prior to entering town. Maybe describe the shops when entering market the first time, because some folks don’t know what the poe can be. The RBA distribution was perfect. Then the temple door skip. There would be time to describe the route for adult 1 during during the cutscene too.
I’ve been watching all the low-pause runs and the low-C run the past month. When they paused and equipped two items after second Dampe I was like “Holy shit, these guys have fucking superpowers, look at ‘em go!”
Random question, but why does duplicating capacity upgrades not count as violating source requirement? Isn't an upgrade an "item," so it must be collected at its intended location? It seems arbitrary that this restriction doesn't apply to capacity upgrades.
With Sticks for example, Link starts with Capacity 10. Then there’s a Scrub that increases capacity by 10 and a Skull Kid that increases capacity by 10. Those two can be collected in any order and function correctly. The 100% source requirement is that you have to end with Capacity 30 and get the final upgrade from either the Skull Kid or the Scrub. So they duplicate the Scrub. It would also work if they manipulated memory to get Capacity 20 and then got the upgrade from the Skull Kid. How they get 20 doesn’t matter, just how they get 30.
For what counts towards 100%, we only require the highest upgrade of tiered items (for example, only golden gauntlets are required as the highest strength upgrade, so you can skip goron bracelet and silver gauntlets), and source requirement was more intended to require each individual item of items that have multiple of them, like bottles or gold skulltulas. Item capacity upgrades are a weird case that falls under both of these conditions, so there was some debate for a while about if each individual upgrade should count for source requirement, or just the highest upgrade, but we eventually decided on only requiring the highest upgrade from source.
Ares64 is cycle-accurate to actual N64 hardware. GameCube, Wii, Wii U, NSO, and most emulators are slightly faster at a few areas. GameCube you press B and X together to reset. Master Quest we should TAS the 3DS version.
1:33:30 20+ b presses per second is definitely humanly possible. It might be tricky to find a good position on an N64 controller, and a bit easier on GC.
So wait. You say that at 1:33:30 you need to mash B every single frame. So how does the game register each B press as separate inputs rather than a single prolonged input? ETA: I saw a couple people in the chat saying that although the game runs at 20 FPS, the system still reads inputs 60 times per second. Is this actually the case? ETA 2: okay, explanation at 1:36:26
Honest question- why is getting seed bag and quiver upgrade from the same vendor allowed despite source requirement? Feels like to me the quiver from Kak and the gerudo archery games are very different instances.
It feels a bit odd, but the rule is that only the last upgrade is required. The idea being that if you were to pause and cycle through the menu at the end of the run you can see every item, skull, medalion, upgrade, etc. This is the same reason boss keys, maps and scarecrow song are not required. So instead of thinking of it as getting the same upgrade twice, think of it as glitching to recieve the intermediate quiver and then receiving the final quiver from the source. It's basically the same idea as if they used RBA to get the intermediate quiver and then did gerudo archery for the "source" final quiver.
To all of the C/C++ programmers 15:47 is what happens when you don't validate your handles. Also, isn't RBA technically a form of SRM? [Or, more technically, IRM (invalid reference manipulation)? ]
For non C/C++ programmers handles are the memory address of an opaque typename (kind of like a object but not really; C is not OOP) that is not necessarily known to the end user... And are very commonly used in event driven programming
I actually think IPM (invalid pointer manipulation) would be a name for it; understand how rba works, it's creating an invalid pointer to non-instruction data...
I'm happy to see that 100% No SRM is an official category on the leaderboards. However, the category rules section at the end is confusing "*If code is indirectly modified by some SRM application but it does not benefit the speedrun, it is allowed.". Are there any examples of Non-Carry SRM that prompted this caveat/exception?
It’s probably so that runs don’t get disqualified from the game using stale references naturally, like if your boomerang happens to be carrying something as you walk into a new room
Wrong Warp. Basically the blue warps are messy. If you enter a blue warp and then leave it before it triggers, the next time you enter that warp it will send you somewhere else. Where exactly is complicated, but a TAS can manipulate the available options. So they just warp between boss rooms.
Wasn't the human theory 100% TAS ZFG did a while back sub 3 hours? I assume I'm missing something and either it was a different category, or the rules of the category have changed?
If you start with the same seed and do exactly the same thing every time, a game’s RNG will always be the same. When you make a TAS, you’re able to get the exact results you want by ensuring you get a consistent seed (which is usually the same at startup anyway, but some games use outside things like the system clock to seed the RNG) and slightly altering what you do before RNG is called
feels so wrong to read “game over” in what’s supposed to be an optimal route of a game imo. would love to see things evolve toward no game over screens
![[TAS] Twilight Princess 100% by TheTasMaster in 5:33:01](/img/n.gif)
Im so excited for zfg to come to us with another ocarina of time 100% speedrunning video
maybe he shows feet in this one
Holy. Shit.
@@disquo1686 Daily reminder that Pipkin Pippa has gone from not existing, to existing, getting 100k subscribers, and showing feet, in the time zfg hasn't speedran OoT 100%.
@@grafzeppelin4069so you're saying that zfg also has not existed, existed, now has 100k subscribers, so the next inevitable step is show feet?
@@disquo16862:56:53 😂😅.😅
Holy shit the message in chat at 4:38 saying SRM = seemingly random movement is so fucking good lmao
Why? I don't get it.
@@NukeCaulfield SRM (Stale Reference Manipulation) does involve what looks to be random and arbitrary movement, since you're using your movement and position to cause an outcome that causes the credits to start. (that's not all of it but that's beyond my ability to explain it well just look up an explanation)
Heading zfg explain wess in the first 5 minutes is so cute it’s like he’s proud of this baby and is showing it to the neighbours
OH SHIT
Random time stamp to mess with analytics 2:07:03
I love when zfg is explaining things
I've been listening to zfg explain things since gdq 2014
So true lmao
Its crazy I remember watching Fg back in 1948. Mans been explaining OOT glitches to us laypeople for over 80 years. Heres to 80 more.
it's too bad he's banned from gdq now
@@LilacMonarch why is he banned
@@TheNecroSodomizerhe was caught smoking weed in the restroom
Oh my god, it's actually happening, oot 100% content is back on the menu
*excited ork sounds*
This is the run I've been hoping for for a long time already. Amazing job, PancakeTurtle and Migu, thanks for putting in the effort! The amount of time and work that went into this must be immense.
When’s your next MM tas lol
Hello grunz. Long time no see
Yeah when MM TAS??
Saw someone in chat say, "TAS is the student of Billy and Todd," and that was hilarious
Most important song of the run 1:20:09
what's the song from?
@@dilder95evangelion opening
OH man, I had no idea this was being worked on. Looks like I know what I'll be doing this evening. And to have done it in a year with so much new tech I'd imagine.. What an absolute treat.
No way, they actually found a route
TAS is probably a couple years old. remember, making these TAS 100%'s takes a long time.
To be fair I don’t think much route changing has happened to hundo in a long time, I know zfg hasn’t consistently ran hundo for atleast a couple years
@@TheUltimateRarewhile it's definitely an old route, the intro they say it was impressive because they took under a year for a TAS this long
@@OverlyMediocreGamingunder a year? TASers are speedrunning TASes now
@@seifeir6951they're probably talking about the route that was run for this TAS specifically. That's what I gathered from what they were talking about in the beginning. I could be wrong though
Sonic woke up and looked at the clock. "7:00," it said, and Sonic screamed.
This is the beautiful content we wait for :D OoT TAS is so fun to watch.
I've waited my whole life for this
Real ones are pourin up and watchin this on a Saturday night
Got home from the bar at 3am and you know we getting at least an hour deep
Me rn
me rn
I've waited my whole life for this.
nice to see 100% on this channel again
Thank you for posting this, I'm sure everyone who appreciates this respects how much work goes into this from just 2 people, and they smash it out in just over a year they said. Love the commentation as well
Amazing video even when rewatching it months later, great commentary and the run itself is a joy to watch if you're a fan of Zelda speedruns. Cheers ZFG, Pancake and Migu.
Aw, I'm missing keeta adding to the infinite list of things to keep in the back of the mind :(
Just a couple more weeks!
I love your content ZFG. If you ever second guess yourself, I hope this comment gives you comfort. You're awesome.
17:50 How to NOT approach a girl.
LMAO
God I miss this. ZFG you are amazing and you were close to the wr without SRM. While you were grinding 100 percent back then. I’m surprise you are commentating on the original N64 on console. This is satisfying to see.
Close? He did have the WR.
He held the WR for about six years (took it from sva) and only lost it when dropped hundo for old NSR.
@@Arcessitorfor me ennop and zfg are the kings of zelda 😂
damn guess that means ZFG is coming back to this category soon
really enjoyed this hope to see more of these reviews :)
100% NO SRM?!?! POG
(Even if it's TAS still a Win)
Went back to watch some of the old Feb21 LOTADs, then watched this!
Forgot how godlike TAS movement can be in this game.
17:45 Sliding into Zelda's DMs
Nice Adam, took me back to nostalgia town for sure.
Amazed at the detail in link's tree rings. I remember being a kid and wondering more about his life. 😅
I missed it live but its super cool. Well done to the tasers.
Great TAS expose! Thanks for sharing this, and all the hard work that went into it. There was so much good discussion in the first twenty minutes. I don’t want to take too much more of your time with this without actually writing a true script out, but I goofed around with a few ideas for the important parts at the beginning.
I haven’t put much work into writing and timing everything, but I think it would be useful to lay out the general route getting out of village and into the temple during the intro minutes (ie for noob players). Then maybe enough time to define the CSlide, S-slide/HESS, and 🤞SRM during the village bolder section, or if not just between there and Sara. Then describe the world map, and the (gold star) adult vs child description again.
Then describe hovering during chickens and their RNG again. The moat timing prior to entering town.
Maybe describe the shops when entering market the first time, because some folks don’t know what the poe can be. The RBA distribution was perfect.
Then the temple door skip. There would be time to describe the route for adult 1 during during the cutscene too.
i gave you a like for your effort
ZeldaFreakGlitcha back at it with another zelda glitch video!
Can't wait to watch after work
Incredible TAS! Wish I could've seen it live!
Very nice TAS :D og fedt at se en dansker involveret i OOT speedruns :D
21:00 - I 100% agree, console verification should be higher in the ladder than rom verification
Nice Evangelion OP on the Ocarina too
1:31:16 omg the long shot to the sky had me in tears 😂
Nice to see a new TAS after MoronicTAS & MrGrunz’s spliced one from 2015.
16:20 jesus that was WAYTOODANK bro
chat losing it because no vibruto lol
Good to see Kride in the chat widePeepoHappy
I’ve been watching all the low-pause runs and the low-C run the past month. When they paused and equipped two items after second Dampe I was like “Holy shit, these guys have fucking superpowers, look at ‘em go!”
1:20:00 my favourite hospital scene
I can’t wait for movie night after a long day
Bro that DoT skip was so damn clean
It's almost like they pre programmed the inputs to happen on sequential frames!
Sick TAS for sure
This TAS is graceful af fr fr
I thought so too but then I looked closer and they're actually cheating with glitches
@@Wyvernnnn this tas guy is always pulling shit like this, I never trusted him
@@bawbehh Get Karl Jobst on the case.
Myriad of pauses, Countless C presses, Doors OPENED and no Sonic High-school. Wth is this!?
1:20:09 Cruel Angel's Thesis on Ocarina
Random question, but why does duplicating capacity upgrades not count as violating source requirement? Isn't an upgrade an "item," so it must be collected at its intended location? It seems arbitrary that this restriction doesn't apply to capacity upgrades.
Source requirement only applies to items required for 100%. For upgrades that means only the highest one needs to be collected from source.
With Sticks for example, Link starts with Capacity 10. Then there’s a Scrub that increases capacity by 10 and a Skull Kid that increases capacity by 10. Those two can be collected in any order and function correctly. The 100% source requirement is that you have to end with Capacity 30 and get the final upgrade from either the Skull Kid or the Scrub. So they duplicate the Scrub. It would also work if they manipulated memory to get Capacity 20 and then got the upgrade from the Skull Kid. How they get 20 doesn’t matter, just how they get 30.
For what counts towards 100%, we only require the highest upgrade of tiered items (for example, only golden gauntlets are required as the highest strength upgrade, so you can skip goron bracelet and silver gauntlets), and source requirement was more intended to require each individual item of items that have multiple of them, like bottles or gold skulltulas. Item capacity upgrades are a weird case that falls under both of these conditions, so there was some debate for a while about if each individual upgrade should count for source requirement, or just the highest upgrade, but we eventually decided on only requiring the highest upgrade from source.
zfg definitely has OOT and timer themed dreams but I wonder how twisted they are
What's the video game they are playing at 58:50?
That’s the upcoming Zelda game for the Ultra 64
New route pog
Ares64 is cycle-accurate to actual N64 hardware. GameCube, Wii, Wii U, NSO, and most emulators are slightly faster at a few areas. GameCube you press B and X together to reset. Master Quest we should TAS the 3DS version.
1:33:30 20+ b presses per second is definitely humanly possible. It might be tricky to find a good position on an N64 controller, and a bit easier on GC.
@34:06 anyone have a link to the part(s) (or any part) of the code that makes Dampe do this? Could be interesting reading...
Whoa, another 100% TAS run. Love this shit.
So wait. You say that at 1:33:30 you need to mash B every single frame. So how does the game register each B press as separate inputs rather than a single prolonged input?
ETA: I saw a couple people in the chat saying that although the game runs at 20 FPS, the system still reads inputs 60 times per second. Is this actually the case?
ETA 2: okay, explanation at 1:36:26
Sick! Damn good job!
That water temple was awesomeness
March already? We're spoiled.
Reminds me of the good old days of 100% and Any%. Before ACE destroyed everything
I saw fuzziness was making one of these and thought that’s who was being shown but PancakeTurtle makes good TAS too.
new TAS category idea, and it's litearlly just timing for the fastest dampe, im watiing for sub 42
Isn't dampe capped by the fact that if you get too fast he bugs out? I vaguely remember something like that being mentioned in a previous TAS.
i think it was specifically if you use fast movement glitches
Are we sure holding R at King Zora isn't a leftover debug thing?
Definitely not, it has been looked into and understood, full explanation here though its a bit complicated pastebin.com/N288iBwK
Soon in the workbench of TASvideo ?
SICKNASTY
Ave you feel proud of this? At least you mentioned it was tas and not like others that straight up lie about using tas
1:17:14 I reeally wanted to see the lag from both of them falling apart at the same time, but alas
Been waiting since the one from 3 years ago
2:46:45 Don't worry, PancakeTurtle, I was listening to your explanation.
Wow TAS the runner is so concentrated he didn't speak once glad the commentators were there
Awesome! Now I only wish for a 100% no SRM and no RBA TAS.
For what is „SRM“ written?
Stale reference manipulation
Honest question- why is getting seed bag and quiver upgrade from the same vendor allowed despite source requirement? Feels like to me the quiver from Kak and the gerudo archery games are very different instances.
It feels a bit odd, but the rule is that only the last upgrade is required. The idea being that if you were to pause and cycle through the menu at the end of the run you can see every item, skull, medalion, upgrade, etc. This is the same reason boss keys, maps and scarecrow song are not required. So instead of thinking of it as getting the same upgrade twice, think of it as glitching to recieve the intermediate quiver and then receiving the final quiver from the source. It's basically the same idea as if they used RBA to get the intermediate quiver and then did gerudo archery for the "source" final quiver.
Lovely TAS, thanks ZFG and friends
To all of the C/C++ programmers 15:47 is what happens when you don't validate your handles. Also, isn't RBA technically a form of SRM? [Or, more technically, IRM (invalid reference manipulation)? ]
For non C/C++ programmers handles are the memory address of an opaque typename (kind of like a object but not really; C is not OOP) that is not necessarily known to the end user... And are very commonly used in event driven programming
I actually think IPM (invalid pointer manipulation) would be a name for it; understand how rba works, it's creating an invalid pointer to non-instruction data...
No, RBA and SRM are two different glitches.
@@InfoManiac742 Yes, technically but they both work on referencing stale (or technically invalid in the case of RBA ) data though...
Technically it's just an out of bounds memory write.
I'm happy to see that 100% No SRM is an official category on the leaderboards. However, the category rules section at the end is confusing "*If code is indirectly modified by some SRM application but it does not benefit the speedrun, it is allowed.". Are there any examples of Non-Carry SRM that prompted this caveat/exception?
It’s probably so that runs don’t get disqualified from the game using stale references naturally, like if your boomerang happens to be carrying something as you walk into a new room
the most impressive part of this whole thing is not messing up "Would you like to hear this again????" *yes* *no*
I'd love to see an input display for these TAS videos
how he got isg bv the Skulltula at 7:20 ?
If something hits your shield in the middle of a crouch stab, you can interrupt the animation with C up and you'll have ISG.
@@ZFG ty for good explaination!
Wow, how do you fight and defeat a boss and immediately go to the next boss fight?
How does that work
Wrong Warp. Basically the blue warps are messy. If you enter a blue warp and then leave it before it triggers, the next time you enter that warp it will send you somewhere else. Where exactly is complicated, but a TAS can manipulate the available options. So they just warp between boss rooms.
Wasn't the human theory 100% TAS ZFG did a while back sub 3 hours? I assume I'm missing something and either it was a different category, or the rules of the category have changed?
SRM vs No SRM
That used SRM which is a completely different category. Super insane watch though.
do you have to get all the magic beans, or just
How does the TAS-bot deal with RNG in the game? Is there any RNG in OOT?
every game has RNG so yes RNG is in OoT, In a TAS setting you basically can control the whole game down to the RNG seed
If you start with the same seed and do exactly the same thing every time, a game’s RNG will always be the same. When you make a TAS, you’re able to get the exact results you want by ensuring you get a consistent seed (which is usually the same at startup anyway, but some games use outside things like the system clock to seed the RNG) and slightly altering what you do before RNG is called
Drakes in the FUCKIN CHAT!
For a second I thought we were in February!
Feb 21st is 2 months early
is it possible to have an input display for TAS runs? that'd be rad to see
feels so wrong to read “game over” in what’s supposed to be an optimal route of a game imo. would love to see things evolve toward no game over screens
But it isnt february 27th yet what r they coming up with then?
Does anyone know how many hours ZFG has in OOT?
I think he said somewhere in the 5-8k range a few years back
Does srm stand for swords reindeers and monster trucks?
6:30
Iz dis one of dem "routes" yall been huffing about?
Pretty sweet
Why is Epona not strictly required for 100%?
She's not something visible on the pause screen or hud, I suppose.
I miss "lotad dude"
Honestly, I don't see much of a difference between this and ZFG. He's the closest thing to an OOT TAS that a human can be.
:D
Sick run.
RBA is so satisfiying to see